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Speaker 1: I think variety is the spice of life.

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Speaker 2: I'm I don't. I don't really like the whole measuring

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Speaker 2: contest of you know, well, I'm better because I use

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Speaker 2: a recurve or a bow or you know, whatever it

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Speaker 2: or you know what, if you're out there doing your

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Speaker 2: other day, and I think you've posted something the fellowship,

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Speaker 2: you know what is a win. You know, there's a

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Speaker 2: lot of times that we just need to unplug. We

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Speaker 2: need to go out there and put man versus beast,

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Speaker 2: and we need to enjoy that sunset, you know, because

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Speaker 2: I know that looking back at forty eight, I look back.

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, oh my gosh, I squandered a.

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Speaker 2: Lot of years just chasing things that didn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: Out here, the stakes are real. Effective preparation starts with fitness,

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Speaker 3: but it requires so much more. This show explores the tools, knowledge, resilience,

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Speaker 3: and skills needed to be ready when it matters the most.

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Speaker 3: Join me Rich Browning as we apply the decades of

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Speaker 3: wisdom I've gained through training and competition to hunting in

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Speaker 3: the back country. This is in pursuit brought to you

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Speaker 3: by Mouth Knocks, in collaboration with Mayhem Hunt. All right,

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Speaker 3: in pursuit with Angelo di Chico. Chico, you look a

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Speaker 3: very uh Jeff, can't see you right now, but Angelo

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Speaker 3: shaped to go tee. So with the mullet and the goateee,

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Speaker 3: it looks very nineties.

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Speaker 4: You said, I look like I'm thirty five years old.

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Speaker 3: You do it? Does aid you in the incorrect way

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Speaker 3: that you want to be aged?

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Speaker 4: She goes, you could be twenty five or thirty five? Mike,

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Speaker 4: what does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Exactly what it means. So we got Jeff Helm, man

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Speaker 3: of many talents, all around, good.

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Speaker 4: Dude, stone cold killer, stone.

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Speaker 3: Cold killer, Jeffrey Mark Helm.

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Speaker 1: That is right, am I in trouble.

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Speaker 3: Miss Michigan, Michigan native. Me and Jeff are Michigan natives.

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Speaker 3: We got a lot of commonalities and uh but we've

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Speaker 3: hunted with him last two years now at Access Camp

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Speaker 3: in Texas and become really good friends and uh learned

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Speaker 3: a ton from him, and so yeah, we just want

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Speaker 3: to talk about you and uh just all your your

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Speaker 3: endeavors and all the cool things you're doing and uh, yeah, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: so appreciate you coming on.

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Speaker 2: No problem. I'm an open book.

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Speaker 3: Shoot open book and ask him if you found your buck.

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Speaker 3: We did a recap on the hunt and told everybody.

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Speaker 4: I'm YouTube's number one villain now for not making a

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Speaker 4: follow up shot.

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Speaker 2: I have retold that story a few times. That definitely

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Speaker 3: We did. We did. You can't be an enemy in

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Speaker 3: the fact that you guys looked solid like and anybody

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Speaker 3: we just watched Force Gumps, so it happens. And uh yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think you guys did your due diligence. Obviously it

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Speaker 3: didn't happen the way you wanted it to happen. But

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of things played into what happened,

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Speaker 3: you know, with the rain and all that. So we

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Speaker 3: we we already recap that, so we won't just keep

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Speaker 3: burying Angelo under where he's at.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sorry Angelo, Yeah, yeah, me too.

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Speaker 3: All right, So let's let's go back and what what

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Speaker 3: got you started in hunting?

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Speaker 2: That would probably be my uncle as much as anybody.

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Speaker 2: My dad hunted too, but my uncle hunted a ton

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Speaker 2: and we did a lot of raccoon hunting when I

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Speaker 3: All that started in Michigan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I also shot I shot something out of the pool.

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Speaker 2: I didn't learn learn Did you put a hole in

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Speaker 2: I moved to Texas two thousand and seven, so about

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Speaker 3: Okay, so were you running the machine shop then? What

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So leading up to that point, you're what's your

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Speaker 2: Then at that point I had gotten the bug to

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Speaker 2: Right, yeah, it's kind of crazy, big things happening for

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Speaker 2: hunting big bucks, got addicted to it back in probably

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Speaker 3: The bad part is when you you know, in ninety nine,

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Speaker 3: Angela wasn't even born, So that that'll make you feel

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I got a bug for it a long

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think the Michigan thing will help.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was actually the interesting thing when we went

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Speaker 5: Did how much did Nuge have? How much stake the

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Speaker 5: Nudge having this? I know he's big well because he's

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Speaker 3: Out of there. Yeah, but my cousin manages some of

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Speaker 2: So I kind of had these two paths because I

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Speaker 2: weekends I'd work at a bow shop there in Muskegan,

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Speaker 3: That's cool you.

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Speaker 5: I think we were talking about this at access to

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Speaker 5: your camp. You killed your part of four elk kills

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Speaker 4: No, personally, you personally Okay, sorry, I do have this.

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Speaker 5: Sorry that just sounded crazy to even say that you

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Speaker 5: personally killed four. You were a part of nine lee correct, Yeah, legally,

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Speaker 5: This is this is September and this is where's this at?

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Speaker 2: Him? I shot the first one in August in Texas.

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Speaker 2: And be a good student, Yeah, and I try and

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Speaker 2: It's incredible, And you know, a couple of people have

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Speaker 1: But I fed multiple families.

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Speaker 1: And then the rest of them are in my fraser.

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Speaker 2: whether that's Colorado or Idaho or you know Montana that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they see a lot better, I feel like than ELK.

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Speaker 2: I don't you know, my setup is pretty dialed, it's

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Speaker 3: Happens every once in a while. Yeah, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of like, you know, hey, there is more opportunity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much to hunt black buck. Odd Dad

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Speaker 2: than when you high fence property next to mine, I'm

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Speaker 3: Bit little bit do yeah, and then you're just picking

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because those animals can't get away from me. You

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Speaker 1: The only thing I've ever killed in a high fence

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Speaker 2: We used to have a big ranch who went to

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, sure, well, and you know that's the difference.

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Speaker 3: Just don't bill it as hey, it was some hard

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Speaker 3: as long as we don't bill it as oh, we

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Speaker 1: I think variety is the spice of life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I don't. I don't really like the whole

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Speaker 2: or you know what, if you're out there doing your

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Speaker 2: and we need to enjoy that sunset. You know, there's

439
00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,720
Speaker 2: even right now, like I'm actually currently on a hunting

440
00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 2: trip and I have no cell service on this ranch.

441
00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:42,399
Speaker 2: It's seventeen thousand acres. There's no cell service. So it's funny.

442
00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:46,080
Speaker 2: I sent my son a really big text yesterday giant one,

443
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 2: and he responded back and he was like, Dad, I

444
00:21:51,520 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 2: think you're doing all right.

445
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,200
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I'm doing great. I'm just out here reflecting.

446
00:21:55,840 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 2: Basically in this text, I basically told him, I'm like, brother,

447
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:00,720
Speaker 2: you need to you you need to take care of

448
00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,360
Speaker 2: your investments. You need to make your money when your twenties,

449
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,320
Speaker 2: in your twenties, thirties, and forties, because by the time

450
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,560
Speaker 2: you're in your fifties and sixties, you really want to

451
00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,040
Speaker 2: time and energy on the things that you want to

452
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,720
Speaker 2: So don't squander these times in your twenties, thirties and forties.

453
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 2: And it was it was really a very much a

454
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:24,119
Speaker 2: dad text. He's an amazing kid, and I just I

455
00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: don't want him to squander the time because I know

456
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,760
Speaker 2: that looking back at forty eight, I look back and

457
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh my gosh, I squandered a lot of

458
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:36,359
Speaker 2: years just chasing things that didn't really matter matter, and

459
00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:37,800
Speaker 2: I don't want him to do that.

460
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: So there's two things that I've got I see there,

461
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 3: And so I want to talk about Jake and kind

462
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 3: of how you've raised him and how he's kind of

463
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,639
Speaker 3: grown in the hunting space and is now guiding as

464
00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,160
Speaker 3: well on access stuff. I don't know if you've spent

465
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 3: a ton of time with Jake. I did last year.

466
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 3: I didn't get see him much this year, but good kid.

467
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,080
Speaker 3: But I do want to say, you know, like that's

468
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 3: a hard part too, It's a battle. I don't know

469
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:02,000
Speaker 3: if you listened to the Howardton sermon week or the podcast,

470
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: but he's talking about when Paul was in Rome and he's,

471
00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,840
Speaker 3: you know, waiting in jail, and at that time, you

472
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,200
Speaker 3: think it's wasted time, right, you know, like I'm not

473
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 3: getting to do the things I want to do. Like

474
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 3: you're saying, like I am working hard, I am doing

475
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,439
Speaker 3: these things and I'm stuck, or there are any fruits

476
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 3: coming from it. But I think Paul wrote four books

477
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,240
Speaker 3: of the four Epistles while he was in jail waiting

478
00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 3: in Rome, and so like, you know, that's it's I

479
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,640
Speaker 3: think it's a great perspective of like, hey, don't get

480
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 3: super caught up in the trials of right now, and

481
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 3: you know, it's just there's such a balance to that, right.

482
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:36,720
Speaker 3: But what I think is so cool is that you know,

483
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 3: Jake obviously loves you. You've done a great job with him,

484
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: and he's kind of following along in the footsteps, right,

485
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 3: and so can you? Yes, how did that happen? How'd

486
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 3: you get just make Jake come along?

487
00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:48,840
Speaker 5: Was it?

488
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 3: Ah? He wanted to do what dad was doing?

489
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 5: What was it?

490
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 3: You know?

491
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,600
Speaker 2: It was a combination because Jake is actually especially growing up,

492
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 2: he was very different than me. He was he was

493
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: very quiet and he's still kind of quiet unless you

494
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 2: get him up. We are not the same person. We

495
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,959
Speaker 2: definitely have a lot of the same similarities personality. Internally,

496
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 2: we have a lot of the same wiring. But I

497
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,520
Speaker 2: just never let him be a bother.

498
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:21,720
Speaker 1: My dad never.

499
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 2: I love my dad, but he never took me on

500
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:27,640
Speaker 2: any trips, you know, out when he went out west,

501
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 2: that was for him. When he went to Alaska, that

502
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 2: was for him. And a lot of it was because

503
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,160
Speaker 2: he couldn't afford to bring me, and so there's extra

504
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: costs involved when you bring you know, your kids and stuff.

505
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 2: And so from the time he was I think he

506
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 2: went on his first l count with me when he

507
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 2: was eight years old, and there was challenges, There's no

508
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,160
Speaker 2: doubt in my mind. Over the course of from eight

509
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: to sixteen, he cost me more than one bull. But

510
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 2: we had some amazing experiences. And on those trips, what

511
00:25:01,920 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 2: I noticed is, you know, when I would take him,

512
00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 2: you know, usually it was a twelve to fourteen hour

513
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,760
Speaker 2: drive to wherever we were going, and on the way there,

514
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:12,920
Speaker 2: it was a lot of anticipation of the hunt and

515
00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: so on and so forth.

516
00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 1: While we were there, it was a lot of struggles.

517
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 2: So there was many times that I was like, hey, Jake,

518
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 2: you sleep in this morning, I'll come back and get you.

519
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 2: Because he was he was tuckered, you know, when he

520
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,760
Speaker 2: was nine, ten eleven, he was tuckered out. And we're

521
00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 2: getting up early, we're staying up late. You know, it's

522
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 2: just it really runs you down. And I just tried

523
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 2: to be in tune with who he was, where he

524
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 2: was at, and I really tried to let him enjoy it.

525
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,520
Speaker 2: In the amount of bears that we saw, and elk

526
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 2: and mule deer and fox and just all these different

527
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 2: memories that we have over the years.

528
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: He was never a bother. I never was upset with him.

529
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: But what I noticed is at the end of that trip,

530
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: on the way back, he would talk to me about

531
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 2: the things that were bothering him. It was something with school,

532
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:05,240
Speaker 2: maybe it was something with the fam, you know, his mom, sister,

533
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 2: you know, just growing up. Just he would open up

534
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,240
Speaker 2: his friends, you know, as he got older. We talked

535
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,000
Speaker 2: about sex, drugs, and rock and roll. You know, we

536
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,080
Speaker 2: had the sex talk on the way back from an

537
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 2: Elk trip, the birds and the bees. And I wanted

538
00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 2: to be the one to lead. I was actually reading

539
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: a book called point Man at the time and which

540
00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: I think of Stephen Ferraer incredible book. And I was like,

541
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna have this talk with Jake.

542
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 2: And I wanted to be the one not to put

543
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,159
Speaker 2: alcohol or sex or all these different things on this

544
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: plateau where where it's it's cool, you know. I wanted

545
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 2: to put it in a godly perspective where it was like, hey,

546
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 2: sex is amazing between a man and a woman that

547
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 2: love each other. You know, hey, alcohol all things in moderation.

548
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 2: There's nothing wrong with having a drink. However, being drunk,

549
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 2: it's not good and anything that has as a hold

550
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: of you on that level is bad.

551
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,680
Speaker 1: So all those conversations happened on our way back from Elkhunt.

552
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's cool.

553
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 2: So throughout those years, I just I was his friend

554
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 2: and his dad, and we talked about everything.

555
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: Nothing was off limits.

556
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 2: And I can see now I really didn't realize it

557
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: at the time, but I can see now it was huge.

558
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 2: He's he's one of my best friends today and he's

559
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: twenty three years old. We talked about everything.

560
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, and you can see that, you know,

561
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,360
Speaker 3: it's not just like a fake thing, like you can tell, Yeah,

562
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 3: it's real, and you know that's that's it's reassuring, you know,

563
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,360
Speaker 3: because that's what I try to do with my kids here,

564
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,440
Speaker 3: and it's like, yeah, especially white Tail at the house.

565
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,320
Speaker 3: I have like in the last couple of years now

566
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 3: that they've gotten to where if one of them says,

567
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: hey can I go, I'm like, yep, let's go. And

568
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 3: we're probably not going to see anything, or we might

569
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 3: see something. But if they're out there. Then then we're

570
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 3: out there together and it's it's been a ton of fun.

571
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: Oh, it's a blast. And Jake did all that.

572
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 2: I mean, he killed white tails, he shot his first

573
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,080
Speaker 2: one with a gun, and not very long after he

574
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 2: killed one hundred and thirty inch buck when he was

575
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 2: eleven years old with them. And he would not allow

576
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: me in the blind because I was too loud. I'm like,

577
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 2: what are you talking about?

578
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:15,919
Speaker 3: Him?

579
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:16,440
Speaker 1: Too loud?

580
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: You know, was like whatever.

581
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: So he was by himself.

582
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 2: I was four hundred yards away in a tree stand

583
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 2: and he shot his first first pope and young buck

584
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: by himself.

585
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: It was incredible. All those experiences just compound.

586
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 2: I took him out to get reps on pigs and

587
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,840
Speaker 2: he shot a lot of pigs over the years, and

588
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: then it kind of culminated last year where he went

589
00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: out on his own to a unit he'd never been

590
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: to in Colorado, scouted it, called in a bull shot,

591
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,959
Speaker 2: it hauled it off the mountain all by himself.

592
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: Nobody there, nobody there the work, nobody.

593
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: That's crazy man, that's awes.

594
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: And I got one of the most emotional videos from

595
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 2: him afterwards because I was in the back country making

596
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 2: a Peaks film and I got this video and I

597
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:08,920
Speaker 2: was definitely the allergies kicked up. I was like, man,

598
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: I love this kid.

599
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 3: Ya dude, good job. Man, I think that's it's cool.

600
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: Once again, not just saying it, but man, he's he's

601
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: a good kid. So that's cool. We've done a good job,

602
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 3: all right. So talk you've kind of from that point

603
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:25,480
Speaker 3: you transition to working with Peaks and now I guess

604
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:28,960
Speaker 3: part owner or have an ownership ownership stake in it.

605
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. We Basically I wasn't even looking, you know, because

606
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 2: I was in the I was a salesman in uh

607
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 2: basically sold car by tooling and stuff, and an opportunity

608
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 2: came up to go to work for Peaks. I'm the

609
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: sales manager there and I also work with the pro

610
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: program and community marketing and all that stuff.

611
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 3: And so.

612
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 2: Bryce, he's the majority owner of Peaks, is a tremendous

613
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 2: individual and turned into one of my best friends and

614
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 2: and he and I got to know each other a

615
00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 2: few years ago. Because of all the connections in the industry,

616
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:09,800
Speaker 2: a lot of the guys that were at Peaks or

617
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: are at Peaks came from Sitka and I've worked with

618
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: Citka for ten eleven, twelve years, I guess, And so

619
00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: when the name came up for a sales manager, my

620
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 2: name was dropped in the hat and I was actually

621
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: fishing for smallmouth in Michigan when I got a text

622
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 2: and he said, hey, I think I've figured something out.

623
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe you can come to work full time. And

624
00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: that's now been two and a half years, I think,

625
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 2: and it's been fantastic. We're growing leaps and bounds. It's

626
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,680
Speaker 2: it's really awesome. I love it, and it's a great

627
00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: group of people, great products, and it's opened up a

628
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 2: lot of doors, and we're hustling. Everybody that's at Peaks

629
00:30:48,960 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: is working hard and growing, so we got a ton

630
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 2: of stuff coming out, so it's it's kind of it's

631
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: kind of fun working in the industry. I didn't know

632
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 2: if I'd like it full time. I tried to do

633
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 2: it years ago with set Lock and it didn't work out.

634
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 2: And then this time I wasn't looking. I had already

635
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: come to grips with the fact that I was just

636
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 2: gonna do some guiding and keep working trade shows for

637
00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: different brands, and then this popped up and and here

638
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: we are, and I love it. It's fantastic, and then

639
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 2: recently opened a bow shop.

640
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 3: That's where I was going next. I was going to

641
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 3: Arrowheads after that Arrowhead. So you've kind of your next endeavor.

642
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 3: I guess, well, you're you're kind of you're guiding. You're

643
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: guiding with Perennial And do you do any other guiding

644
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,640
Speaker 3: or just with those guys?

645
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah? I also guide with Austin Land Wild Country outfunder

646
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 2: Fitters out of Utah. They've got a big Texas lease

647
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 2: and I do some guides and trips for him too.

648
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: Austin's a really good guy and they do a lot

649
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: out there in Utah and Texas.

650
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: Cool. So you got that working at Peaks and then

651
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 3: just recently kind of passion project sounds like.

652
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh. Once again, I wasn't looking. Really good

653
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: friend of mine, Cody Wells, great guy. He used to

654
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: live down here in the Burning area where I live.

655
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: We became really really good friends, and he moved back

656
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 2: to Waco when some stuff happened family with some medical stuff.

657
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: So he moved back to Waco and for years he said,

658
00:32:16,800 --> 00:32:18,600
Speaker 2: I want to open a bow shop. What do you think?

659
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: And I'm like, you know, bow shops are not for

660
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: making a lot of money, probably other things you could do,

661
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 2: and yeah, exact one thing led to another and and uh,

662
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 2: he put together a crew of people and said, we

663
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: want you to be a part of this. And and

664
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 2: it's been almost a year that we've been planning it,

665
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: and we opened a couple of weeks ago, and it's fantastic.

666
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: We actually a lot of those guys are part of

667
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Legacy Outfitters, which is a non denominational men's ministry up there,

668
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: and so.

669
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:56,960
Speaker 1: Legacy Outfitters actually has an office in our building.

670
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: Everybody that's involved with Arrowheads is just a great great guy,

671
00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 2: loves the Lord, loves their family, and leads from the front,

672
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 2: every single one of them.

673
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: They're just awesome people.

674
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 2: And I'm confident that it's going to be a source

675
00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 2: of encouragement for that community.

676
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: It's a place that you can go.

677
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 2: A lot of times, the hunting community isn't necessarily welcoming

678
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:28,560
Speaker 2: to newbies, and I want to change that. If someone

679
00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: wants to get into archery and they've never hunted and

680
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 2: they're forty one years old, I want to show them

681
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 2: how to shoot a bow and be there as a

682
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,520
Speaker 2: source of information to help with the learning curve. I

683
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 2: think archeries for everyone. There's a lot of good in

684
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: shooting your bow, and I call it group therapy, right.

685
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 2: You can just put your phone down and fire some

686
00:33:49,480 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: groups down range and it's good for the mind and

687
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 2: body and soul. So we're going to try and use

688
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: that as kind of an opportunity to bring people that

689
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 2: maybe are struggling, maybe they don't have things right in

690
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 2: their life and they're struggling with depression or not measuring up.

691
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: But there's just so much out there, you know, rich

692
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: and when we talked about like there's people that are

693
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 2: you know, turn into suicide and many times because they

694
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 2: don't have their priorities straight, you know, they don't have

695
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: God at the center of what they're doing, and it

696
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: ends up being a problem for sure.

697
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I think all those things are great. I think,

698
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: you know, there is the parallel between the fitness and

699
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:36,239
Speaker 3: archery as well as faith. You know, we're we're men

700
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 3: of faith everybody here and so you know, and I

701
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 3: think that's a huge thing of you know, having the

702
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 3: background of hunting but not really ever being taught per se.

703
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,240
Speaker 3: There is that like, oh man, I don't know anything,

704
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: so you feel like an idiot and nobody. I don't

705
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 3: want to say, there's like a little bit of a

706
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 3: scarcity mindset of like, oh, if we're letting more you know,

707
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,919
Speaker 3: people into the community, there's less opportunities for us to hunt.

708
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 3: But man, you're just like, the more and more I've

709
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 3: gotten into it, and the more and more hunts that

710
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: I've been on, it's just the shared even if you

711
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: know I'm not one taking the shot, it's still just

712
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: being a part of the you know, Jake talking about

713
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 3: Jake going out by himself. That sounds awful to me, Like,

714
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 3: and we've talked about it on the mountain, like as

715
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:17,880
Speaker 3: long as I have one other person that we can

716
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 3: you know, bounce ideas off of, and you know, the

717
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,839
Speaker 3: fellowship of it, I think you know, there's a lot

718
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 3: of biblical stuff in there of like out Jesus sent

719
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 3: people out too by two you know, and so uh,

720
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: that's to me, that's what I look forward to the most. Obviously,

721
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 3: the the harvest is is the goal, right is the

722
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 3: number one goal. But man, some of those byproducts of

723
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,120
Speaker 3: just you know, me and you didn't know each other

724
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,479
Speaker 3: last year and now I would call you a pretty

725
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: good friend if I needed something, I'm in Texas. I'm like, hey,

726
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,320
Speaker 3: I'd call Jeff. Jeff will be there, you know, and

727
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:51,560
Speaker 3: so man, I just the connections and and for the

728
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,720
Speaker 3: most part, the shared you know, we're on a shared

729
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 3: mission together, right, you know, we're we've got one task

730
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 3: that we're trying to get together and we don't know

731
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 3: each other from but we kind of learned how how

732
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: each other thinks, and and we come out on the

733
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,359
Speaker 3: other side better. And then hey, most of the time

734
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 3: we don't even have the cell phone as much, you know,

735
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,959
Speaker 3: we depending on where we're at. But Scott always talks

736
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: about that of like when we were in Colorado, we

737
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 3: became super close because for seven eight days it was uninhibited,

738
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: you know, just conversation, especially when I think back to

739
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 3: like the early days with me father Steven, a good

740
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 3: buddy of mine, and Scott, Like we were on the

741
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 3: mountain together for seven days straight, you know, nothing nobody

742
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 3: else really being there, just talking through life and things.

743
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 3: And you know, we had some cool moments, even this

744
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: last time where you didn't know Scott beeps, which is

745
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 3: it's still it has made it home a little bit,

746
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 3: which is so good because it's just so far from

747
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:50,879
Speaker 3: like Scott's Ye, very regimented, always doing things the right way,

748
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 3: and that Oh man, I wish you could have been

749
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 3: there beeps. So we kind of told that story. But yeah, man,

750
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 3: I just you know, it's it's just such a cool

751
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 3: it's hard to it's just outside to understand that.

752
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: I guess.

753
00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,160
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like it's shared suffering, like as part

754
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 5: of it, and it's just like having the same goal

755
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 5: and that's the The failures obviously make it even better

756
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 5: and then hopefully the success at the end.

757
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 4: Is like brings it all together.

758
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,359
Speaker 3: It was pretty miserable sitting in that rain on day two.

759
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:21,640
Speaker 3: I don't know about you.

760
00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, but tell me about it, tell you about it.

761
00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:29,880
Speaker 2: I want it's it's meant sorry one more things, but

762
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 2: the mental toughness side. I love the struggle, like I

763
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,280
Speaker 2: find myself in a spot that I love the struggle.

764
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: I love that portion because I feel like it brings

765
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,800
Speaker 2: out either the best or the worst in people. And

766
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: when you're on a mountain for eight days with somebody,

767
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: if you're intentional not only just to take an animal,

768
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 2: but also to connect, which I'm pretty sure you figured

769
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 2: that out.

770
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 1: Like I wanted to get to know Scott better. Oh yeah, sure,

771
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 1: And you know, because it's at the end of the day.

772
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: I try and search for.

773
00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 2: The genuine ones. Those are the ones I latch onto

774
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: and those are the ones I try and keep in

775
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 2: touch with, or the genuine ones. And when you find

776
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 2: those people, you need to invest in them. And some

777
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,359
Speaker 2: will need you and some maybe you need them, right,

778
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:23,160
Speaker 2: But those relationships are just fantastic and I value those

779
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 2: far more than I do. Any rack that sits on

780
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 2: my garage floor, on my wall.

781
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 3: Well, even those racks, those memories come back up, right,

782
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:33,879
Speaker 3: you know, like, oh, people get so tied up an

783
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: anti rack, man. I yeah, anytime I walk by, I

784
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 3: have the memory of who I was on with that hunt.

785
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 3: And you know, those are the things, right I try to, like,

786
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 3: either keep a picture of that group, like I like

787
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 3: to take a group picture with the animal. I know

788
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:51,400
Speaker 3: for some you know, they want the individual. Man. I

789
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,320
Speaker 3: like to have the group picture of who was on

790
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 3: that hunt, because that memory, Man, it just sparks something

791
00:38:57,480 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 3: way different that I don't know. It's just such a

792
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 3: cool thing.

793
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:03,920
Speaker 2: I agree.

794
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, sorry, I'm glad you finished, because I was

795
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,880
Speaker 5: going to change sub just a little bit. How did

796
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:13,160
Speaker 5: you get involved guiding? Like obviously you were hunting and

797
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 5: kind of either on your own or with a group.

798
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 5: And then what how did you.

799
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 4: Decide to start guiding or was it like presented to you? Yeah,

800
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 4: how'd that start?

801
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: Great question originally, So Texas is difficult. You either it's

802
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 2: a pay to play state, you know, whether that's high

803
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 2: or low. And years ago I didn't have any money,

804
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 2: and so I've I've always been a serial entrepreneur. I

805
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 2: owned my own machine shop and it was not always

806
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:46,839
Speaker 2: in the black until the last or four years there.

807
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: But so I had a few places to hunt with

808
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 2: handshakes and meet people at church and different things would

809
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:57,719
Speaker 2: let me shoot white tails. But I wanted to hunt

810
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 2: access and I wanted to hunt stuff. So I started

811
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 2: reaching out to the ranches that had access and said, hey,

812
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: would you be willing can I guide for you? And

813
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: some of them I had hunted, like actually the ranch

814
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 2: here that I'm on currently, I had hunted sixteen years

815
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 2: ago and I think I shot a buck and the

816
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: following year is when they let me come out and

817
00:40:24,440 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: do some guiding. And so I've got a lot of

818
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: history on this piece of property and it just kind

819
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 2: of went from there trying to help people. As Rich

820
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: talks about camaraderie, I have a lot of people. Most

821
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 2: of my friends don't live in the state of Texas,

822
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 2: but they want to come here and hunt. So I'm

823
00:40:40,600 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: always on the lookout for pieces of property or opportunities.

824
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 2: That's how I met Colton, That's how I started guiding

825
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 2: for Colton, and then getting Jake into that as well,

826
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 2: because I don't as much care about the money as

827
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 2: I do the opportunities. So if I can go guide

828
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: and then it opens up opportunities like last year, Colton

829
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 2: let Jake shoot an odad Ram with his bow, which

830
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: was just epic.

831
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 1: And then even my elk.

832
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: You know, the elk hunting down in Texas, even a

833
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 2: cheap one is over ten grand, and so instead I did.

834
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 2: I've never paid to go on an elk hunt ever,

835
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 2: I've always done the DIY thing. So Colton and I

836
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 2: were able to trade that out and so no money

837
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 2: actually had to come out of my pocket for that elk.

838
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 2: And so just looking for opportunities really, and at the

839
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 2: end of the day, especially once I got into sales,

840
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 2: most of my sales work was done Monday through Thursday,

841
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 2: so I could guide a Friday, Saturday, Sunday hunt no problem,

842
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: and you know, just trying to find places where Jake

843
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,920
Speaker 2: and I could go kill stuff. That's cool, that's awesome.

844
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 5: Uh Okay, So this is something that we've been talking

845
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 5: about about the axis steer that make that makes no

846
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 5: sense to us, but it is definitely true.

847
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: They love the sun.

848
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 2: They love the sun.

849
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 5: That is not normal for I mean, I guess, I mean,

850
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,000
Speaker 5: I guess white tails do like, you know, a sunny day,

851
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,000
Speaker 5: but they like it when it's you know, when the

852
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 5: weather changes, you get five or six degree temp drop,

853
00:42:07,760 --> 00:42:08,920
Speaker 5: you know that's going to be a good day to

854
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: go hunt white tails. It was not that way with access.

855
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 5: It was like it warmed up and then we saw movement.

856
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: They they're originally from India, so I don't know if

857
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,879
Speaker 2: that's something that's hardwired in them. I know that their

858
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:28,200
Speaker 2: extremities don't. The way that they work, they they their

859
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: blood flow is very different from a white tail, and

860
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 2: you notice that in the freeze, like they're actually have

861
00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 2: a hard time getting around and moved out slower. So

862
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 2: it's almost like they're frisky when it's warm out. And

863
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: there's so much about access that are so different than

864
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 2: mule deer and white tails. Even the fact that they

865
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 2: can drop fawns throughout the year. Yeah, so you can

866
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 2: drop multiple fawns in a year. They literally can go

867
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,520
Speaker 2: back to back. And so here you've got a group

868
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 2: of thirty access deer and they'll be too hard horns

869
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 2: and two half grown velvet.

870
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 3: We saw that.

871
00:43:02,600 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 1: We saw that happen, and you might even have a

872
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: shed buck in there.

873
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, like.

874
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: Any sense, it does not compute to this Michigan boy.

875
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 1: But that's just the way that it is.

876
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: So if you want to kill access to here needs

877
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 2: to be one hundred degrees, it needs to be sunny,

878
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,800
Speaker 2: and you need to be sweating, dealing with gnats and

879
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 2: knocking the ticks off yet and then it's going to

880
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 2: be a good day of We had.

881
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 3: Both of those. I had nats and then when I

882
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 3: got in the shower that night, I had a tick

883
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:30,320
Speaker 3: latch onto my side.

884
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: So good thing Beeps was there to knock it off.

885
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:38,720
Speaker 3: Keep old Beeps. Yeah, Scott wasn't here to defend himself

886
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:41,040
Speaker 3: on that, but yeah, we told the whole story where

887
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:44,320
Speaker 3: I was just I. It was Jeff's first interaction with

888
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 3: with Scott and being Scott. I'm about to rip the

889
00:43:47,400 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 3: watch off Scott's wrist and just chuck it, and Jeff's

890
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: kind of like half chuckling at like, who are these

891
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:55,120
Speaker 3: two going on?

892
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:59,839
Speaker 1: Like these two brothers can't get along? It was like, well,

893
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 1: barrel on steps.

894
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 3: It really was.

895
00:44:04,640 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: You guys, come on, get it together, beep again, and

896
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: we're just like it was great.

897
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 3: Which is funny because me and Scott usually worked pretty

898
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,960
Speaker 3: well together, where our our artisms lined up pretty well.

899
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:21,919
Speaker 3: But that that watch thing, man, I I it blew

900
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:25,160
Speaker 3: my mind that he was not even he wouldn't listen

901
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 3: to it. He was like, no, no, I can fix it.

902
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,279
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're not going to try to fix it

903
00:44:28,400 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 3: right now, you know.

904
00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 4: And so that's it's so funny. I wonder what was

905
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,160
Speaker 4: he trying to.

906
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I know the tracker and it just kept

907
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,840
Speaker 3: dropping breadcrumbs and I think would dang every time it

908
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,120
Speaker 3: would do a breadcrumb, and I was trying to turn

909
00:44:42,200 --> 00:44:43,520
Speaker 3: it off, and he didn't want to turn it off

910
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 3: because he wanted to use the tracker. And even though

911
00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 3: we didn't need the tracker, it was just a whole

912
00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:50,160
Speaker 3: micro college and we just got in there we'd driven

913
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 3: through the night, probably on real short sleep.

914
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 4: You know, so his watch is beep queen, Oh yeah,

915
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 4: we do, Yeah, he does.

916
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 3: He does. It was this a bliss yep? Uh?

917
00:45:02,280 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 5: Okay, you kept saying, and I haven't asked yet, what

918
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,879
Speaker 5: what made you want to go hunt Axis? You said

919
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:10,520
Speaker 5: a couple of times, like I wanted to go hunt access.

920
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:12,839
Speaker 5: I wanted to like I did, and I'm sure Rich

921
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 5: did too, But I didn't even know what I was

922
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:15,560
Speaker 5: getting into.

923
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 4: What got you into it? What made it so enticing? Yeah,

924
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:20,759
Speaker 4: that's a good word.

925
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 2: The roar to the roar is uh. I So when

926
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:29,920
Speaker 2: I had the machine shop, one of the guys that

927
00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: worked for me had sixty or seventy acres out towards

928
00:45:33,680 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: where I live, and he told me he had access

929
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 2: gear on it. And one of the first times I

930
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:39,960
Speaker 2: went out there to shoot a white tail, I heard

931
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,800
Speaker 2: an AXIS roar and I was like, oh, my gosh,

932
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: that that reminds me of a elk. Yeah, and uh

933
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 2: so I'm like, oh, vocalisms and just all that. I

934
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:51,840
Speaker 2: fell in love with them. And I actually killed my

935
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 2: first access buck ever on his place, and it was

936
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: I was hooked. Ever since, I'm like They're beautiful. They

937
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 2: are gorgeous creature, and they communicate and they taste great.

938
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: I don't miss a meal very often, and I love

939
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 2: access to here.

940
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's what I keep telling people here. Like,

941
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: my first passion, first thing that got me into hunting

942
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 3: was turkey hunting, and then I immediately went out west

943
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 3: elk hunting, and that's that's my number one passion. And

944
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 3: I enjoy whitetail now. It's like I've acquired the taste

945
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,240
Speaker 3: of hunting white tail the last couple of years. But man, Axis,

946
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 3: when we went last year, it was just it's like

947
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:33,200
Speaker 3: a close second to elk now for me, where I'm like, man,

948
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 3: it's so it's like a good off season, you know,

949
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 3: it's a May, June, July hunt for a big animal

950
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,439
Speaker 3: that is like an elk.

951
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 4: They are and they just look so cool.

952
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: Yes, they're amazing, awesome.

953
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 3: Jeff, Well, where can people find you? Instagram?

954
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: Helm dot Yeah, Helm dot yeah, and uh yeah.

955
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: So and the bow Shop Arrowheads is in Waco. Yeah,

956
00:47:00,040 --> 00:47:01,720
Speaker 3: passing through there, make.

957
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: It happen and see us. We're right off I thirty

958
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,879
Speaker 2: five about eight miles or so, eight mile road. It's

959
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 2: actually in Mick Gregor, which is just outside of Waco.

960
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,319
Speaker 3: Actually have some cousins that go to Baylor, So maybe

961
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 3: I'll come down there and we'll do a little Mayhem

962
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 3: Hunt at Arrowheads. Come on Faith Fitness and shoot some bows.

963
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:19,800
Speaker 3: Let's do that.

964
00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: One of the guys would love to do a workout, Scott,

965
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 2: one of the owners is a big Mayhem Hunt fan.

966
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:26,320
Speaker 2: Thanks you.

967
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: Let's do it all right, Jeff, thanks for hanging through

968
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 3: the technical difficulties. And you're going out this afternoon. You

969
00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 3: got your guide in this afternoon.

970
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 2: I am.

971
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: I'm hunting for myself in about an hour and a half.

972
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 3: One nice, all right, Get your Shopify emails done and

973
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 3: then get you go, get you one.

974
00:47:44,239 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 2: We'll do it. We'll do it. Appreciat you guys, all right.

975
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 3: Love you by