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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your twenty four to seven

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Speaker 1: home of the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Steelers Nation. It's The Drive on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network. Matt Williamson, West Shooler with you here. We

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Speaker 2: are back after the Drive had a maintenance day yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We popped the hood, we got some oil change much needed,

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Speaker 2: rotated the tires, and we are back here on this

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Speaker 2: Friday to put a bow on this week's proceedings. And Matt,

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Speaker 2: this will be our last show in studio here until March.

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Speaker 3: Our last show in Pittsburgh until Indy. A right, yes, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: we yes until March too.

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Speaker 2: Last show in our studio's proper until March. Because next

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Speaker 2: week we will obviously be broadcasting all the way live

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Speaker 2: from Radio Row inside the Indiana Convention Center at the

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Speaker 2: NFL Scouting Combine. It's the pilgrimage we made every year.

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Speaker 2: We're looking forward to it, and obviously today's show will

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Speaker 2: have a lot to do with kind of getting ready

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gearing up for it in a big way.

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Speaker 3: I've really started digging too. Free agency. First off, both

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Speaker 3: these the draft and free agency have some similarities to

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Speaker 3: me all of a sudden, like I don't like the

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Speaker 3: big name guys, the blue chip dudes, you know, the

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Speaker 3: expensive guys in free agency, I would want to be

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Speaker 3: It's not a great year to pick at the top

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Speaker 3: next tiers. They're deep, and this might be a good

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Speaker 3: offseason for the Steelers. Remember we talked about, you know,

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Speaker 3: they have one of the most the best ability to

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Speaker 3: go off season resources. Yeah, the words were escaping me.

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Speaker 3: They're they're the top of the list. Nfl dot Com

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Speaker 3: put that list out there fourth in terms of most

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Speaker 3: NFL or off season resources. When you combine free agency

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Speaker 3: and the draft, that they may be able to add

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Speaker 3: five or six nice pieces as opposed to like all

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Speaker 2: You know, you're looking at the luxury car a lot

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Speaker 2: and it's a little overpriced. Yeah, but there's there's some

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Speaker 2: nice gently used Hondas and Toyotas exactly. You know, you

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Speaker 2: going to be very reliable and aren't going to break

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Speaker 3: Year contract guys and draft, I mean you could still

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Speaker 3: have somewhat of a youth movement, but also you know,

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Speaker 3: space out your needs and then on draft day, like,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe this guy's still there and you grab

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Speaker 3: you know. So I think the off seasons gould be

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Speaker 3: really fun this year.

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Speaker 2: I do too. We're going to talk more about that today.

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Speaker 2: We'll have some pre combine free agency conversation, mock draft

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Speaker 2: and big board conversation, all that stuff. We do have

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Speaker 2: an update on Aaron Rodgers too, from our buddy Jeremy

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Speaker 2: Faller that we'll get to here in the first hour.

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Speaker 2: But Matt, today we do have to start with some

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Speaker 2: sad news, some unfortunate news. Mike Wagner, four time Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl champion and part of those seventies Supersteelers, passed away Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: We didn't have a chance to talk about this yesterday

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Speaker 2: obviously because we were off, But Wednesday, February eighteenth, at

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Speaker 2: the age of seventy six, four time Super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 2: he was a starter in three of those four wins,

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Speaker 2: five interceptions and a fumble recovery in the playoffs, most

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Speaker 2: notably a famous interception of Roger Staubach in the second

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Speaker 2: that gave them a five point lead late in that game.

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Speaker 2: They would never surrender. And a statement here from of

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Speaker 2: course Steelers President Aren't Rooney the second, we are deeply

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Speaker 2: saddened by the passing of Mike Wagner, a tremendous player

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Speaker 2: and an integral part of some of the most successful

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Speaker 2: teams in Pittsburgh Steelers history. Mike played a key role

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Speaker 2: in our championship teams of the seventies, as a member

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Speaker 2: of four Super Bowl winning teams. His toughness and consistency

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Speaker 2: the entire Pittsburgh Steelers organization. We extend our heartfelt condolences

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Speaker 2: to Mike's family. He will always be remembered as a champion,

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Speaker 2: Mike Wagner is one of those guys that I'm like,

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Speaker 2: not that you and I had great relationships with him Matt,

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Speaker 2: but he was one of the guys that during training

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Speaker 2: how like you can accomplish anything you want. You know,

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Speaker 2: like you could go and be a super Bowl champion,

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Speaker 2: you can go and be successful in business, Like you

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Speaker 2: don't have to limit yourself, you can you can do

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Speaker 2: it all. And he will be sorely missed, a big

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you said it really well. I think

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Speaker 3: mister Rooney said it really really well and sounds like

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Speaker 3: he had a tremendous life, I mean, a very full

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Speaker 3: my dad's favorite players. I mean, just because he was.

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Speaker 3: My dad likes a lot of the unsung guys, you know,

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Speaker 3: like the Randy Grossman's of the world. Yeah, some of

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Speaker 3: that era and be easy to get overlooked. On that defense,

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Speaker 3: But he took the ball away super reliable. You know,

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Speaker 3: a game. Yeah, exactly. It's really really valuable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and he will sorely, sorely be missed. I

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Speaker 2: think this quote from from mel Blunt says it very well.

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Speaker 2: their lives after. I don't know how to say it

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Speaker 2: other than he was a good person. Mike left a

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Speaker 2: little part of himself with all of us, but a

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Speaker 2: End quote. He meant, he meant a lot to that

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Speaker 3: A big time. I'm glad you brought this up. And again,

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Speaker 3: he's a prominent Steeler that should never be forgotten, in

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Speaker 3: and it is a team game, you know, you need

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Speaker 2: Even on a roster that was littered with future Hall

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Speaker 2: Oh sure, those you know, those guys the rug that

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Speaker 3: I'm sure there's some younger listeners that don't really even

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Speaker 2: So when I was a senior in high school, I

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Speaker 2: just kind of I mean, for lack of better way

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Speaker 3: Yeah, go talk to young people.

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Speaker 2: And I'll be completely honest when he and and I

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Speaker 2: wait a second, Mike wagon I'm like Mike Webster. No,

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Speaker 2: this guy's position, Yes, right, I like that name sounds familiar,

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Speaker 2: I went home that day and did a bunch of research. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: his family all the best here moving forward, matt we

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Speaker 2: have talked plenty. There's no real easy way to transition

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Speaker 2: about Patrick Graham, Steelers new defensive coordinator. We had some

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Speaker 2: one on one interview with Patrick Graham, Steelers new defensive coordinator.

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Speaker 2: Some really good stuff in here about what we can

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Speaker 2: expect from him, his relationship with Mike mcrfee, and just

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Speaker 4: Coach, Can you.

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Speaker 5: Start with why coming here to Pittsburgh to be the

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Speaker 5: defensive coordinator made sense for you?

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Speaker 4: One starts with Mike and just knowing Mike for my

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Speaker 4: you know, respect for I had for him, and then

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Speaker 4: finally get to work with him for one year, and

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Speaker 4: then you stayed in contact to the tradition of the Steelers,

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Speaker 4: you know, as a defensive coach. To be able to

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Speaker 4: it comes down to the players. There's so many good

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Speaker 4: and just as I've gone through the process so far,

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Speaker 5: What are you most excited about the Steelers defensive rosters.

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Speaker 6: We sit here today, the size the year than the

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Speaker 4: This is I mean, this is what you envision in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I think he's got a great perspective,

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Speaker 1: About Drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 2: Friday edition of the Drive here as we close down

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Speaker 2: the week, get ready for the Combine next week. With that,

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Speaker 2: combine coverage week nine to five, and we'll have, of

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Speaker 2: course the Drive every single day. We'll have a bonus

439
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Speaker 2: hour of the Drive, so it'll be a three hour

440
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Speaker 2: show next week, so we'll make up for the day

441
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Speaker 2: that we're missing by giving you giving you a couple

442
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Speaker 2: extra hours the rest of the way, Matt. Of course,

443
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Speaker 2: you know next week is going to be heavy draft

444
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Speaker 2: combine prospects, prospects, prospects, So before we got there, I

445
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Speaker 2: did want to make sure to touch on this. Aaron

446
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:50,879
Speaker 2: Rodgers of course is in him more specifically though the

447
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Speaker 2: quarterback position. But those two things tied together, we know

448
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Speaker 2: that that's a huge domino for the Steelers this offseason.

449
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Speaker 3: Of course, yah for free.

450
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Speaker 2: Agency, for the draft, for anything and everything in between,

451
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Speaker 2: and so we're all kind of in that waiting holding

452
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Speaker 2: pattern once again. But Jeremy Fowler, who I'm sure you're

453
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Speaker 2: all familiar with, senior reporter for ESPN, used to cover

454
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Speaker 2: the Steelers here formerly of this parish, a guy who's

455
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: very tapped in to the Steelers and to just the

456
00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 2: NFL as a whole, had a little bit of an

457
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Speaker 2: update yesterday. He went on NFL Live, which is of

458
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: course ESPN's daily football show runs in the late afternoon

459
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Speaker 2: early evening I think actually about the same time that

460
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Speaker 2: you and I are on. And here's what Jeremy Fowler

461
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Speaker 2: had to say on the latest for Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 7: I just checked on this.

463
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Speaker 6: The series remain open to a potential Aaron Rodgers reunion,

464
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Speaker 6: but they got to figure out if he wants to

465
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Speaker 6: play or not yet. They could take months. They like

466
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Speaker 6: Will Howard, a lay round pick from last year. He's

467
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Speaker 6: in the building. They feel like he's an NFL pro.

468
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Speaker 6: They want to see that out, but he's probably more

469
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Speaker 6: of a backup in year or two. And then the draft.

470
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Speaker 6: They've done a ton of work on this year's draft,

471
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Speaker 6: in particular in anticipation of this very issue, maybe getting

472
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Speaker 6: their signal caller of the future if they can find one,

473
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Speaker 6: but they take them the twenties in the first round

474
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Speaker 6: makes it tough.

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Speaker 2: Could take months, Now, that's a that's like. That was

476
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Speaker 2: like a twenty five thirty second clip there from Jeremy Fowler.

477
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Speaker 2: But those three words are what I'm concerned with. Yeah,

478
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Speaker 2: could take months. I don't I don't know if that's possible,

479
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Speaker 2: And at least from the Steelers, I don't think they

480
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Speaker 2: have months to wait.

481
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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, so a couple things. I mean, that

482
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Speaker 3: was the thing that took stuck with me the most too,

483
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Speaker 3: of what Jeremy said I agree that the Will Howard stuff.

484
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Speaker 3: I have a feeling they do have high hopes. Again,

485
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Speaker 3: that doesn't mean he's future Hall of Famer anything like that.

486
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Speaker 3: He's gonna get a lot of attention no matter what

487
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Speaker 3: opportunity opportunity this draft class, I think Simpson's really your

488
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Speaker 3: only answer if you are going to invest as if

489
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Speaker 3: he's the answer going for you know, like your next

490
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Speaker 3: franchise quarterback. Now there's two guys I'm starting to warm

491
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Speaker 3: up to, but like third, fourth, fifth round neighborhood.

492
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Speaker 2: You know, not immediately for twenty twenty, but I.

493
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Speaker 3: Would love them to be in the building. And frankly,

494
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Speaker 3: I don't think Rudolph's presence should preclude a mid round pick,

495
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Speaker 3: because we know Howard's going to be here. If you

496
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Speaker 3: draft that guy the third, fourth round, he's going to

497
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Speaker 3: be here, let alone if it's a first round pick.

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Speaker 3: If it's again, Simpson seems like the most logical one

499
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Speaker 3: if you were to go down that road. I don't

500
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Speaker 3: dislike Simpson. I need to do a lot more work

501
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Speaker 3: on him. I kind of would like to aim a

502
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,119
Speaker 3: little higher, a little bigger. And next year's classes seems

503
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Speaker 3: so rich that I would like to be involved with that.

504
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Speaker 3: I don't like the idea of waiting months, although I'm

505
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Speaker 3: sure there'll be a lot of back and forth between

506
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Speaker 3: Rogers and the Steelers, and you'll have a strong indication

507
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Speaker 3: if what the answer is, maybe before he actually signs

508
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Speaker 3: on the dotted line, which frankly was the case last year.

509
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Speaker 3: You know, I'll be honest though. I mean, it's been

510
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Speaker 3: forty eight hours since you and I got together, and

511
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Speaker 3: I am now in the camp, and this is nothing

512
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Speaker 3: against Rogers. I think Rogers probably gives you your only

513
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Speaker 3: goal is win as many possible games as you can

514
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Speaker 3: this season. I think Rogers is probably your best logical answer.

515
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Speaker 2: Or just realistic answer.

516
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Speaker 3: Realistic answer, I mean, I don't think Kyler is a

517
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Speaker 3: better version of that. I don't think there's anyone you

518
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Speaker 3: could trade for that makes you put set up to

519
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: win more games. Yes, and I'd love to.

520
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Speaker 2: Tell trade yeah, Josh.

521
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Speaker 3: Allen, That's what I mean. I mean something that would

522
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Speaker 3: actually be in the cards. I really would love him

523
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Speaker 3: to overlap with the next quarterback, and he already has

524
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Speaker 3: overlapped with Howard for a year, but another year there

525
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,520
Speaker 3: would be great or another year with Drew Aller and

526
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Speaker 3: you know, and Howard would be great. I just think

527
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Speaker 3: him being in the room for a whole season would

528
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Speaker 3: be wonderful for a young quarterback. Where I'm going with

529
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Speaker 3: this is if it was my decision, which trust me,

530
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Speaker 3: they're not going to consult me at all. I'm going

531
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Speaker 3: after Willis. That's who I want. I really do. I

532
00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:09,240
Speaker 3: think that's the could get all of the above. Maybe not,

533
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Speaker 3: but if you were to give him a of the

534
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Speaker 3: Fields contract plus twenty percent for inflation. And I think

535
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Speaker 3: the teams you're gonna compete with Willis R are like

536
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Speaker 3: the Cardinals and the Dolphins.

537
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Speaker 2: Bad teams.

538
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Speaker 3: Yeah, bad teams. You know, Dolphins have a big Green

539
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: Bay feel to them, but so the Steelers. But it's

540
00:25:27,800 --> 00:25:32,840
Speaker 3: a couple of years removed. I would think he'd much

541
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Speaker 3: rather be the starter here without Rogers in the mix

542
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Speaker 3: than any of those other bad teams that don't have

543
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 3: anything around them. And you might find your answer. And

544
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Speaker 3: if it's a catastrophe season, well that means you're probably

545
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Speaker 3: picking eighth in the draft. And it's like the Jets

546
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Speaker 3: right now with Fields. I mean, if there was two

547
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,159
Speaker 3: great quarterbacks in this draft, take.

548
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Speaker 2: They could take Dante more too.

549
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Speaker 3: They would exactly right, and that's where you'd be in

550
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Speaker 3: some degree, you know what I mean, that's my favorite

551
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Speaker 3: quarterback option. I've come to that conclusion. I've kicked it around.

552
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Speaker 3: It's not an easy thing to make a conclusion on.

553
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 3: Nobody's influencing me on that at all. I just think

554
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 3: that's what I would do the most. And frankly, if

555
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 3: Rogers is going to take several months, well I'm offering

556
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Speaker 3: Willis a contract the day the free agency opens, and

557
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,719
Speaker 3: if nothing gets done, you still have that bat that's

558
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Speaker 3: that's still out there, then that's where I was going

559
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Speaker 3: to go next.

560
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Speaker 2: Yes, I do think there's a way where you can

561
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Speaker 2: try and take a swing or two right at free

562
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Speaker 2: agency slash draft.

563
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Speaker 3: You might fall in love with Simpson.

564
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Speaker 2: You might fall in love with Simpson, You could fall

565
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Speaker 2: in love with some of these other people as a

566
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Speaker 2: third round, you know, to use one of your one

567
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Speaker 2: of your three part in me third round picks on.

568
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Speaker 2: You also could go after Malik Willis and if it

569
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Speaker 2: works out, awesome. If it doesn't, there's still the potential

570
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Speaker 2: you could circle back to Aaron Rodgers a little bit later.

571
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Speaker 3: Right right, and draft guy next year or whatever.

572
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Speaker 2: Or insert any other veteran free agent quarterback, you know,

573
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Speaker 2: a Kirk Cousins type, you know, for lack of better

574
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Speaker 2: option or name there.

575
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Speaker 3: Because frankly, like when free agency or when we were combine,

576
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 3: Rogers really was not in consideration for the Steelers. I mean,

577
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: Dale and I weren't talking about it, you know what

578
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Speaker 3: I mean.

579
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Speaker 2: If you don't end up falling in love with anyone

580
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: below the Mendoza line, right, you don't end up getting

581
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: Malik Willis, then it can almost be like, all right,

582
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Speaker 2: we'll maybe we'll draft one of these guys on late

583
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Speaker 2: in day two or on day three. H we can

584
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: still have the door open for Aaron Rodgers. And if

585
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 2: that's the case, it's Aaron will Howard, young quarterback, Mason Rudolph,

586
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Speaker 2: see what happens in training camp. If not, it's Mason Rudolph,

587
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: Will Howard another young quarterback, see what happens in training camp?

588
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 2: You know, And your ceiling obviously probably isn't quite what

589
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 2: it is with Aaron Rodgers unless one of those young

590
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: quarterbacks takes off, right, But at the same time, it

591
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: still wouldn't be the worst scenario to be in either.

592
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Speaker 3: No, I mean, I would love to walk into Saint

593
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: Vincent's with Howard Rudolph Cole Payton. That's my new crush.

594
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Speaker 2: By the way, is that the South Dakota State guy? Yeah,

595
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: oh yeah, he's got a new crush. Focus Cole Peyton.

596
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: And Willis Okay, or Rogers, Willis or Rogers, but I

597
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: would rot Willis would be my first priority. And by

598
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 3: the sounds of it, Rogers isn't gonna put your feet

599
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: to the fire in the next couple weeks here when

600
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Speaker 3: free agency opens. If you don't get Willis, you start

601
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: chatting with Rogers. Yeah, you know what I mean.

602
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I I'm.

603
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Speaker 3: None of it's perfect.

604
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 2: None of it's perfect. But as we sit here on Friday,

605
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:48,360
Speaker 2: February twentieth, and obviously all it takes is one day

606
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: for this all to change. But I think that's a

607
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a reasonable approach. Yeah, we will leave

608
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: the door open for Aaron Rodgers, but we might shut

609
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 2: that door before he makes a decision too. Yes, if

610
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Speaker 2: we go out and we get Willis, thanks Aaron. Appreciation.

611
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: If we don't go out and we get Malik Willis, okay,

612
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Speaker 2: We're still going to keep our eyes on the draft

613
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 2: in April. But the door is the Motel six will

614
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Speaker 2: leave the light on for Aaron Rodgers.

615
00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 3: They may have no interest in Willis whatsoever? I have

616
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 3: extreme interest in Willis.

617
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: What's funny all this? You UH sent me an article

618
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 2: that we wanted to talk about today that was ranking

619
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Speaker 2: the UH basically the eleven positions in the NFL offense

620
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Speaker 2: and defense. ESPN hasn't broken into eleven positions strongest to

621
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Speaker 2: weakest in terms of the free agency class.

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Speaker 3: I didn't click on it or dig into is it

623
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Speaker 3: just free agency or free agency and draft combined?

624
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Speaker 2: Believe it's just free agency. Let me double check here

625
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 2: real quick. It is, oh no, thinnest positions in free

626
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: agency and the draft combined the entire So I think

627
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: that actually even drives this point home more even more so,

628
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: right that dead last for them as quarterback, And they

629
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Speaker 2: say it's a good year to need Fernando Mendoza. It's

630
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Speaker 2: a bad year to need anybody else.

631
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Speaker 3: It just is.

632
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Speaker 2: But they mentioned Ty Simpson as a possibility, They mentioned

633
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Speaker 2: Malik Willis as a possibility. They a team could try

634
00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: and trade for Jalen Milroe if you liked him in

635
00:30:12,920 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four. But then you're looking at the Nuss

636
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,000
Speaker 2: Meyers and the Allers and the Club Knicks and the

637
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 2: Carson Becks in.

638
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: Terms of one of them will hit in terms of

639
00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 3: their career, in.

640
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Speaker 2: Terms of draft and free agency, with quarterback being ranked

641
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Speaker 2: as the thinnest position group to go and find your guy,

642
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 2: I think I think that kind of blueprint that you

643
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 2: just laid out makes a lot of sense because it

644
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 2: gives you options and I think all of those potentials.

645
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Speaker 2: If it shuts the door for next year, none of

646
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: it shuts it.

647
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: It's not going to be last next year.

648
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:42,800
Speaker 2: It's a great point. It's not gonna be last next

649
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 2: That's that's a that's a great point. The only way

650
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: that it shuts the door for next year is if

651
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Malik Willis comes here and balls out and you go,

652
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 2: all right, we got our guy.

653
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Speaker 3: Going forward or Simpson. I mean, if you took in

654
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Speaker 3: the first round, then it wouldn't be In short, he'd

655
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Speaker 3: have to be the biggest disaster in NFL history.

656
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Speaker 2: But if you end up with Willis, great, If you

657
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 2: end up with Rogers, great. If you and with neither

658
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 2: and it's Rudolph will Howard and insert some other rookie

659
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 2: or insert some Kirk Cousins type. Yeah, I don't think

660
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 2: that's worst case scenario. I don't think that's doomsday. And

661
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 2: in fact, and if it goes south, as you've mentioned,

662
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 2: then you'd really be in position to get your guy

663
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 2: in twenty seven options.

664
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Speaker 3: We want it to go south, but you got to

665
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 3: look at every road that could happen, you know, every

666
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 3: potential outcome. And to me, the beauty of Willis is

667
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 3: you might get a franchise quarterback without really giving anything

668
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,760
Speaker 3: up except a contract, and that's nothing, which is so

669
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 3: rarely in three first round picks. You got to move

670
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: up to get your guy, and you hope he hits.

671
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 3: Now you hope. You don't know Willis is going to hit.

672
00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: But the cost isn't bad at all.

673
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: The Justin Fields comparison is a great one.

674
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and I'll give him noticeably more than that.

675
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 2: It does not get them. It did not work out

676
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 2: for the Jets. Guess what, Okay, fine, I mean they're.

677
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:54,800
Speaker 3: Not that much worse for the wear.

678
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: They're not that much worse for the wear. If it

679
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: would have worked out for the Jets, it would have

680
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: been amazing. But it didn't kill you. It doesn't destroy

681
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: your cap for a couple of years, no worse for

682
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: the wear. I think is a very good way to

683
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: put it. You had a little extra money in your

684
00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: in your grass cutting, you know, pickybang for the year,

685
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:16,160
Speaker 2: you bought a scratch off ticket. If it hits and

686
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 2: you make an extra fifty bucks in beer money, great,

687
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,680
Speaker 2: If it doesn't and you lost seven dollars a big deal.

688
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: No, it's not that big deal. Yeah right, yeah, and

689
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: you play it out because there's a lot of ability there.

690
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 2: So I think I think that's a very good blueprint.

691
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: I want to take a look a little bit at

692
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Speaker 2: that list strongest versus weakest positions in NFL free agency,

693
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Speaker 2: in the draft combined. We'll do that to close down

694
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Speaker 2: the first hour when we return Westhueler. Matt Williamson, it

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Speaker 2: is the drive here on a Friday, Steelers Nation Radio

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Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network, your tuns.

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Speaker 1: About drive on your twenty four to seven home of

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Speaker 1: the Black and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: So, Matt, ranking the deepest versus the thinnest positions when

700
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: you combine NFL free agency and the draft, eleven different

701
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 2: positions here. I did want to give a quick little

702
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 2: on that quarterback, running back, wide receiver, tight end, then

703
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 2: offensive tackles and interior offensive line.

704
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: They broke down broken down, yeah.

705
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 2: Edge, defensive tackle, linebacker, corner, safety. So those are the

706
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: eleven eleven different designations. Quarterback is last. We just touched

707
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 2: on that for a minute in the previous segment.

708
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Speaker 3: We've talked a lot about it. There's not much out there,

709
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 3: it really isn't I.

710
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: Think Fernando Mendoza and Malik Willis thumbs up.

711
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, they could be the answers.

712
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 2: Everybody else. It's a lot of questions, a lot of questions,

713
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 2: a lot of question marks. Number ten on this list

714
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Speaker 2: is defensive tackle.

715
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I don't love that, which.

717
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,240
Speaker 2: Is interesting to me, And maybe I'm guilty of looking

718
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 2: at this through Steelers black and gold draft glasses because

719
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Speaker 2: I think there's a chance would pick twenty one rolls

720
00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: around that every defensive tackle, interior defensive lineman could still

721
00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 2: be on the board there for the Steelers to consider

722
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: it twenty one, which would be a nice kind of

723
00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: option to have.

724
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:08,919
Speaker 3: But I lay it out that way.

725
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: But I guess that's kind of my optimistic view from

726
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: my black and gold glass.

727
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 3: Right, because this is a national article, there's not Jalen

728
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: Carter or some stud that like and.

729
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 2: Williams last year he was coming out off of destroying

730
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl with the Eagles.

731
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Speaker 3: I think there could be good options for the Steelers,

732
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: particularly as nosier type defensive tackles, but there's not a

733
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 3: lot of big name dudes changing teams most likely, and

734
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Speaker 3: I don't know that like, like you said, there might

735
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Speaker 3: not be a defensive tackle off the board in the

736
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Speaker 3: top twenty picks, which means it's a light defensive tackle draft.

737
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Speaker 3: Sure you know what I mean.

738
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Speaker 2: Sure you know last year Harmon was the third Is

739
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: that right or fourth?

740
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 3: I should know that off because Mason Graham, Graham went,

741
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: Grant went, and the.

742
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 2: Guy from to Arizona he went to.

743
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Speaker 3: Arizona was Arizone. He was hurt a lot, but he

744
00:34:58,239 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 3: was good.

745
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 2: So Harmon was the fourth.

746
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Speaker 3: One was a four.

747
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,280
Speaker 2: So at pick twenty one, if you'd have the option

748
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Speaker 2: of DT one there, Yes, you're right, that would mean

749
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 2: that it's a weaker group than usual.

750
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 3: Sure, at least a blue chip guy's the top guys.

751
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 2: But maybe that top guy at pick twenty one is

752
00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 2: about you know, maybe that top guy picked twenty one,

753
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 2: you think he's the fourteenth best prospect in the draft,

754
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 2: and you could get him at twenty one. Peter Woods,

755
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: Caleb Banks, Lee Hunter, Kata McDonald, some of those names

756
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: that we've talked about. So you're right that one made

757
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,840
Speaker 2: me laugh and in kind of a way smile a

758
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 2: little bit because I just could.

759
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,400
Speaker 3: Still work out well for this particular team.

760
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Speaker 2: At pick twenty one. I want options. Yeah, I won

761
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 2: as many wide receivers as possible. I want defensive tackles.

762
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 2: I want cornerbacks. I want options.

763
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Speaker 3: If you're the Raiders or better choice would even be

764
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 3: like the Jets, you know, the Trady Quinn Williams. I

765
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Speaker 3: have the second pick in the draft. I have all

766
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Speaker 3: the caps based.

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Speaker 2: In the world.

768
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Speaker 3: I'd love to go get a stud defensive tackle. Well

769
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:53,799
Speaker 3: you can't, but for the Steelers might work out fine.

770
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Speaker 2: It might work out just fine. So that was number ten.

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Speaker 2: Defensive tackle. Number nine is tight end. Good year to

772
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,439
Speaker 2: need undersized tight ends, bad year to need any kind

773
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 2: of significant blocking ability.

774
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Speaker 3: And that's become more and more key. Like I'm sure

775
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: people have understood the Washington influence at tight end, but

776
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 3: a lot of these teams, like the Rams got away

777
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 3: from or the Bills, the best example, got away from

778
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 3: using a six offensive lineman because they drafted a blocking

779
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Speaker 3: tight end. Two way tight ends are becoming a little

780
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Speaker 3: bit more valuable than many give them credit for. There's

781
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 3: not a ton of names out there. I mean there's

782
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Speaker 3: the Kyle Pitts's and he's not a blocker, and you

783
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: know guys.

784
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Speaker 2: Like that, Yeah, and Keny and Sadik.

785
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 7: I mean he.

786
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's dynamic players.

787
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Speaker 2: He's a dynamic player. But other than him, there's a

788
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Speaker 2: lot of.

789
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Speaker 3: Who's tight end two? It's gonna be a combine conversation.

790
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 5: You know.

791
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,879
Speaker 2: I like Stower's out of Vanderbilt. I like Trig out

792
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 2: of Baylor. But those guys are they're not too sixty five.

793
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: It's right far cry from last year with Warren and Loveland.

794
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: It's certainly not that com Yeah, a different way, but

795
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: you're right. Number eight is wide receiver. Good year to

796
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 2: bodies in the bullpen. Bad year to need your next

797
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 2: elite guy.

798
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if Pierce is the best UFA, I

799
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: mean he's a two. I mean even on his best day,

800
00:37:11,760 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 3: it's a really deep receiver draft. Again, this helps the Steelers,

801
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 3: but there's not Jamar Chase. But if you're not drafting

802
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 3: in Jamar Chase Land what's really problems right right? Which

803
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: I know that I don't know if he's including like trades,

804
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 3: but I do think there's a lot of big name

805
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 3: dudes AU DJ Moore, A yeah, A J. Brown they

806
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:30,040
Speaker 3: could get traded.

807
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely. That's one of the things we're kind of waiting

808
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: to see here as we roll along in that wide

809
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,839
Speaker 2: receiver conversation. Number seven, offensive tackle, it's a good year

810
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,839
Speaker 2: to need a starter for twenty twenty seven, a bad

811
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Speaker 2: year to need a starter right away in twenty twenty six.

812
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Speaker 7: Yeah.

813
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 3: What I really harp on with this one is I

814
00:37:47,600 --> 00:37:51,200
Speaker 3: think there's gonna be tackles getting drafted in the first

815
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,239
Speaker 3: round by playoff teams. That doesn't happen a lot, almost never.

816
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah. And it's not like because they're super overdrafted.

817
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,959
Speaker 3: There'll always be a little tax on tackles, but they're

818
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 3: there's plenty to pick from. But none of them blow

819
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 3: your doors off, Joe Alt, you know, I mean, nobody

820
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: blows your doors off. So this whole draft, every position

821
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,080
Speaker 3: we've talked about just isn't high high end talent. But

822
00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,839
Speaker 3: the years weren't getting that At twenty one anyway, you know, it.

823
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Speaker 2: Is interesting when you look at it through the league

824
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: perspective as opposed to the black and gold classes. But yeah,

825
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: Fanu and Maui Goa, I would be shocked if those

826
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Speaker 2: two aren't top ten picks.

827
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Speaker 3: Right. But after that, but there's always a couple tackles

828
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Speaker 3: in the top ten, al has to be right.

829
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Speaker 2: But after that, though, it could be into the twenties

830
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Speaker 2: before we see.

831
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Speaker 3: There's enough other good ones that you might have six

832
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 3: first rounders, but they're kind of later.

833
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 2: You know, you might have six first rounders, but four

834
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Speaker 2: of them come in the back half of the first round, right,

835
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 2: which is kind of which is which is very rare.

836
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: It's different, and so that makes sense. If you can,

837
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: you know, get one of these guys and develop them

838
00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:51,920
Speaker 2: for a year, you might be in a good spot.

839
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Speaker 2: But if you're inspect, you know, expecting them to be

840
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 2: an instant impact guy in twenty six, probably not going

841
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 2: to be the case. Number six So on this list

842
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 2: is linebacker good year to need a difference maker, bad

843
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: year to need a difference maker and not have a

844
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 2: top pick.

845
00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you could say there's three really good ones that

846
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: I think are going to be first rounders, especially the

847
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 3: two Ohio state dudes. Yes, Devin Lloyd's.

848
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:18,720
Speaker 2: Also very quickly mentioned Devin Lloyd as a He'll be expensive,

849
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 2: but he's a legit option in free agency.

850
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.

851
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: Number five on this list, Matt is safety. It's a

852
00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 2: good year to need a deep safety. It's a bad

853
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:31,400
Speaker 2: year to need a box safety, which I guess is

854
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: good for the Steelers.

855
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: I say, I mean.

856
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 2: Black and gold glasses.

857
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: Once again, I would think that they're going to no

858
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 3: matter what, they're going to draft the safety with some speed,

859
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 3: more free than strong. And if you move on from Ramsey,

860
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 3: I don't know if they are even looking at Ramsey

861
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 3: as a slot or a free I assume they're looking

862
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 3: at it as a free but I don't know that

863
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:54,840
Speaker 3: he's out of the woods in terms of cap casualty possibilities.

864
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 3: I mean, he's you could save a lot of money,

865
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 3: and there's a handful of these safeties that aren't huge

866
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 3: name dudes. I was looking into the last twenty four

867
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Speaker 3: hours that are coming off their first contract or twenty

868
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Speaker 3: four to twenty five years old. You could get two

869
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Speaker 3: or three of them for what you're paying Ramsey. You

870
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 3: know what, I mean, like the most cost efficient move

871
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: might be cut Ramsey. I know people want to hear that.

872
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 3: Give Cross from the Colts seven million a year and

873
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 3: a third round safety and all of a sudden you're

874
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 3: a lot faster and you also have ten million in

875
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 3: the bank to do something else with. Give it to Willis.

876
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 2: Yeah right, it comes back to Matt's kresh will if

877
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: you could give Patrick Graham truth serum and get his

878
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,360
Speaker 2: you know, real unfiltered thoughts on any one person on

879
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: this Steelers defense, would it be Ramsey or would you

880
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 2: want to ask about how he's going to use TJ. Watt,

881
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: Patrick Queen.

882
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: Ramsey's a tough eval because I worry that he just

883
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 3: doesn't run well enough anymore. And there was a couple

884
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: instances there where he just doesn't get to where he

885
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: needs to be, that he's not in the point of

886
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 3: his safety career, which is infantile really, that he has

887
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 3: the Mike Wagner you know, doesn't take false steps, you know,

888
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 3: most efficient movement, because he hasn't done enough of it,

889
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 3: which I'm sure he'd get better at. But I definitely

890
00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 3: don't want him as an outside corner at this point

891
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: based off last year's tape. Several teams have moved on

892
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 3: from him lately, but he is an impact player that

893
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 3: shows up a lot and boy, I loved him in

894
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:33,880
Speaker 3: training camp and just's he's a lot of money. And

895
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: the thing I don't know, even after our conversation the

896
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 3: other day with Cody, is how important is a free

897
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: safety we established which didn't surprise me that there will

898
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:46,919
Speaker 3: be a This will be a mostly a single high

899
00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 3: defense as a middle field closed more often than usual

900
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,799
Speaker 3: than not. That's not unusual here. But how important is it,

901
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:54,680
Speaker 3: you know?

902
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 2: And how much do you want to invest in? Right?

903
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 3: Right?

904
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: Number four on this list is running back? Good year

905
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:02,600
Speaker 2: to need a starting running back.

906
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: Also, I think part of the thing that happened with

907
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 3: the Menca Ramsey trade was Omar in the front office

908
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 3: rather would rather wanted to invest their money in a corner,

909
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 3: in a corner, even a slot corner close to the

910
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,720
Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, than an off the ball deep middle safety.

911
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: And now if he's an off the ball deep middal safety.

912
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: You're paying MinC of money. He's not that product.

913
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 3: And even if he is, they were comfortable moving off Minca, yes,

914
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: because it's just not you can only have. It's it's

915
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: an order of importance thing, you know.

916
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: It's the O mark on kind of pecking order of them. Yeah, yeah,

917
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 2: we've discussed a couple of minutes here, Matt. We'll get

918
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 2: through the rest of these. Running back good Year to

919
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:43,919
Speaker 2: need a starter right now, Bad Year to need a

920
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 2: young starter for the future.

921
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: It's not a really good running back draft class outside

922
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,200
Speaker 3: of the stud at the top, it's not.

923
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,919
Speaker 2: And guys like Kenneth Walker, breist Hall, Yeah, we're good,

924
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 2: Kenneth Gainwell like they're good right now, but in a

925
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 2: couple of years they might be on the other side

926
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,839
Speaker 2: of their their career. Three cornerback, good Year to need

927
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: a slot guy, Bad Year to need an outside corner

928
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 2: with size.

929
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 3: Which makes lean towards locking up the air and maybe

930
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:09,879
Speaker 3: investing in a slot. Yep.

931
00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:13,480
Speaker 2: Number two interior offensive line, Goodyear to need a guard,

932
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 2: Bad Year to need a center.

933
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:16,840
Speaker 3: Sounds great for the Steelers.

934
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 2: Sounds great for the Steelers. And hey, Ravens, good luck

935
00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,799
Speaker 2: with Linderbaum and then number one on the list, and

936
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: this is not surprising when we've considered they'll be a

937
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: handful of them taken in the first round, and you

938
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 2: have guys like Hendrickson and Patent and Crosby and Jalen Phillips.

939
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: Available number one is an edge rusher. Good year to

940
00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 2: need a good edge rusher. Bad year to need a

941
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 2: truly elite edge rusher unless you're trading for Max Crosby.

942
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, you wish the Steelers could, you know, fish in

943
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 3: the best richest waters. I don't think they're gonna be

944
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 3: in those ones.

945
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 2: I don't think either.

946
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 3: So it's a good year.

947
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 2: It's a good year to be a down year for.

948
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 3: I think when you sit there at twenty one or

949
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 3: when the first round rolls around, you just want edge

950
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: rusher to keep going, you know.

951
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 2: And if you're the Raiders, you're in a good spot

952
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 2: if you do end up moving Crosby, because you're gonna

953
00:43:59,520 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 2: be able to ask for a nice haul in return.

954
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 2: Hour in the books, Another hour to go, Hour number two,

955
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: more pre combined conversation. We will also get to your

956
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:12,240
Speaker 2: tweets before we get up out of here. Another sixty

957
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