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Speaker 1: You want to look at that one more player, maybe
Speaker 1: try and figure us all out. Guys, the hay is
Speaker 1: getting pretty close to be putting in the barn for me.
Speaker 1: I agree, I know Dane doesn't. Dane's got one more guy.
Speaker 1: There's always another guy, another stone you can look under. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How confident are you that you have watched every player
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Speaker 1: there's always a few that so as cats on our
Speaker 1: show for three years. Seriously, but there's always the lifeblood
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Speaker 1: the draft that you know, there might be one team
Speaker 1: that's on him or two teams, but because they want
Speaker 1: to make sure they don't have to wrestle for him
Speaker 1: and freedency, they'll draft him in the seventh round. A
Speaker 1: guy that there will be some teams that, oh wow,
Speaker 1: some teams will be shocked that a player he is drafted,
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Speaker 1: this thing together. Speaking of putting together, Dane Brugler put
Speaker 1: together one of the most incredible things I see every year.
Speaker 1: He did the actual entire draft, the entire NFL draft.
Speaker 1: What was the final number on the picks? What two
Speaker 1: fifty four was the last number from one to two
Speaker 1: fifty four. He put this thing together. Check out his
Speaker 1: Twitter feed at dp Brugler to look at that and
Speaker 1: uh in h find a way again to to like
Speaker 1: I say, to look at it, duddiot. This guy is
Speaker 1: one of the best in the business when it comes
Speaker 1: to his mock drafts. He knows these players we've talked about.
Speaker 1: That's why he's on the show with us all this
Speaker 1: time because he does know these players. I want to
Speaker 1: get in Dane to your mock draft of the Dallas
Speaker 1: Cowboys if I could for this first twenty minutes. By
Speaker 1: the way, guys, we're gonna have the Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty as we always do, and then we're gonna have
Speaker 1: another little game which I enjoy playing, is like who
Speaker 1: would you rather? Okay, and so Dane and I are
Speaker 1: going to go through that. Dave's got the names and
Speaker 1: we're going to figure out who would you rather when
Speaker 1: it comes down to it. But Dane, I want to
Speaker 1: start with that pick at two fifty eight. Again, when
Speaker 1: I say the number two, the first number is the round,
Speaker 1: the second number is the pick. At two fifty eight.
Speaker 1: You went with Juan Thornhill, the safety from Virginia. Some
Speaker 1: reasons why, and can you give me an idea of
Speaker 1: who was available as well when you went with that pick,
Speaker 1: And I think that might be best case scenario for
Speaker 1: this team if one the Hill is available, I think
Speaker 1: that's easy pick. That's weird, that's the direction you go this.
Speaker 1: We know this team needs safety. It might be their
Speaker 1: top need. If not top, it's top three. And we
Speaker 1: know this safety class, We've talked about it every week.
Speaker 1: It's a little top heavy in the second round, and
Speaker 1: will it stretch to fifty eight, maybe maybe not. They
Speaker 1: might be wiped out of options at the safety position
Speaker 1: of fifty eight. And so if Thornhill does get there,
Speaker 1: who want Thornhill? The tape check mark, the testing check mark,
Speaker 1: production check mark. I mean he checks all the boxes.
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't run the three cone short shuttle,
Speaker 1: the combine. I got a little worried about that. How
Speaker 1: does pro Day ran sixty eight three cone like? You know,
Speaker 1: he continues at check boxes throughout the process, four year
Speaker 1: start or all that corner safety versatility. So if he's
Speaker 1: there at fifty eight, and I just for all those
Speaker 1: reasons I just mentioned, is the reason why he might
Speaker 1: not get to fifty eight. Okay, So if he's there
Speaker 1: at fifty eight, I think it's a no brainer. The
Speaker 1: picks right after that some interested interesting names. Joe one
Speaker 1: Williams for Vanderbilt. There you go, where's that that corner,
Speaker 1: that long corner from Vanderbilt that nobody thinks can run
Speaker 1: and can play? And Chris Richard went to Nashville to
Speaker 1: work him out, right, So salty it went one pick later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: only a few more names here in the second round.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ferguson Attack and a name that I think Dave
Speaker 1: will maybe debate made that maybe you should have been
Speaker 1: fifty eight Deebo Samuel. I listen, y'all know how I am. Like, sure,
Speaker 1: I have my opinions. I would love that, but like
Speaker 1: I've made my piece that that's probably not going to happen.
Speaker 1: Like I know that doesn't mean that I can't bang
Speaker 1: the drum, but and you know, as much as great
Speaker 1: as I think it would be, I can't argue against
Speaker 1: taking you know, the best available safety. Like that doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me at all. Can we trade back here? Guys?
Speaker 1: Trade back? Is that? I mean? I'm just I just
Speaker 1: heard a lot of quality names right there. I mean,
Speaker 1: and he said he trade away from the safety? He
Speaker 1: said three? I mean how he said three? I love
Speaker 1: all three names? He said, I love all three? And
Speaker 1: then how far back are you trading? I'm just a
Speaker 1: few picks. Just if somebody wants to come get a guy,
Speaker 1: and what are you getting? What do you tell me
Speaker 1: about what's the rumor about Taylor rap people thinking he
Speaker 1: might be there? Huh at four seven eight? Yeah, you're
Speaker 1: starting to hear this a little bit now. All right,
Speaker 1: well this is and that's help me and we're not
Speaker 1: trading away from that cat, but you would trade away
Speaker 1: from Thornhill. I would trade away from Thornhill. Yes, let's
Speaker 1: break it down. Why. I just think that Rap for
Speaker 1: what they want their safety to do, to play the
Speaker 1: down safety, give me Rap over Thornhill because I think
Speaker 1: he's a better tackler. I think he's a more physical
Speaker 1: player to be that box guy, you gotta have a
Speaker 1: lot of guts to stand in there and play that
Speaker 1: way at a linebacker, and I think Thornhill is He's
Speaker 1: absolutely right about Thornhill the player. But I think Rap
Speaker 1: gives you a physical presence down there in that box,
Speaker 1: and that's what I want. No, I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: think disagree there. I think we all would take Rap
Speaker 1: over Thornhill. But why would you trade away from Thornhill
Speaker 1: if you would stay there? Because I'm okay with Williams
Speaker 1: and I'm okay with Deebo Samuel. What about your safety
Speaker 1: position then? Yeah, because again, corner and wide receiver probably
Speaker 1: stretched a little more than the safety group. That's why
Speaker 1: there's no way I'm trading away from Thornhill at there
Speaker 1: that pick. And you guys know I Lovell. Why isn't
Speaker 1: he one of those guys we talked about going up
Speaker 1: for then last week when we had this big discussion,
Speaker 1: you guys tell you always like, why do you why
Speaker 1: does it have to like if you you have to
Speaker 1: be willing to trade up for a guy to like him. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying you guys, you're saying, I'm just telling you.
Speaker 1: Guys were trying to convince me that we needed to
Speaker 1: go get Rap better player than I know I do.
Speaker 1: But but but now, all of a sudden, Raps not
Speaker 1: good enough. That's not what we said. Are you on
Speaker 1: the same show. No, that's not what we said. Yes, Rap,
Speaker 1: I think we would all take Rap over Thornhill, all
Speaker 1: of us. Yeah. But if if Raps aren't there front
Speaker 1: of the same show, sorry, so an award Wink show, sir.
Speaker 1: If Rap is not there, Thornhill is there. I'm not
Speaker 1: training away from that because okay, I'm not getting a
Speaker 1: safety at ninety that's even close to those guys. That's
Speaker 1: my And again, they brought in Willis. You guys know
Speaker 1: how I feel about Michigan State. That's like I said, Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just telling me who they brought in. No,
Speaker 1: I know, do you think he's a third round talent. No,
Speaker 1: they might, they might, dope, sure they might. Safety is
Speaker 1: really one of those positions where like, I'm boy, you
Speaker 1: guys are buckled in on this safety, aren't you know what?
Speaker 1: And well, look at what they've done, Brian, Like, look
Speaker 1: at what the Cowboys have done over the last couple
Speaker 1: of weeks. They are circling in on safety. They signed
Speaker 1: to Marcus Lawrence, they added a bunch of defensive women
Speaker 1: free agency. I don't know our Twitter scouts out there
Speaker 1: saying they prefer Savage over Thornhill. That's actually I love Savage.
Speaker 1: Save it, that's a that's a Twitter question. Save it
Speaker 1: because I'm curious about that. But I want to and
Speaker 1: I know we got to go through all simes, but
Speaker 1: I'm curious. You know, you're you're sitting here saying, oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's the box safety, that's what they want, which
Speaker 1: you know, I love to bring this up. DeMarcus Lawrence
Speaker 1: was mister right end when they drafted him, and he's
Speaker 1: playing left end right now. So what if you get
Speaker 1: what if you get a guy in here and you
Speaker 1: know is it's so hard to imagine that six months
Speaker 1: from now, they're like well, Thorn Hills or Wrap for
Speaker 1: that matter. He's just a natural at free like we
Speaker 1: drafted him to do this, but he's a better free like.
Speaker 1: They do that type of stuff all the time. So
Speaker 1: give me the better all around player. I don't care
Speaker 1: if he fits what they're looking for right now. Triston
Speaker 1: Hill defensive tackles, Central Florida. They're hunting defensive tackles, aren't they.
Speaker 1: David Holmett, they sure are. Brian brought us. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: know they're gonna look at defensive line. Even with de
Speaker 1: Marcus Lawrence in the fold, Robert Quinn on this team,
Speaker 1: they're still gonna look at defensive linement inside and out. Sure,
Speaker 1: if you can get that penetrating three technique, which Tristan
Speaker 1: Hill I think we believe can be that guy. He's
Speaker 1: a thirty visit. I think at ninety it was really
Speaker 1: good value. Now there's a name, a couple of names
Speaker 1: right after him that would be interesting for this team.
Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson, why why are you exasperating? I'm just there's
Speaker 1: always gonna be an I'm excited because then it gives
Speaker 1: you options. Okay, I thought you were frustracted. Anthony Nelson,
Speaker 1: throw my pen I get frustrated going one pick later. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Anthony Nelson Iowa defensive end liked him right. Uh, if
Speaker 1: they want to go tight end, Warring went right after him. Oh,
Speaker 1: San Diego State hold that thought. If they want to
Speaker 1: go offense, McCole Hardman right, went right after him. Um,
Speaker 1: Bobby Evans went right after him. Now now now I'm out.
Speaker 1: They've they've showed interest in Bobby. I'm out now. So
Speaker 1: those are just a few names that went after pick nine.
Speaker 1: Hill Youthee is an undertackle, right, Yeah, he's more of
Speaker 1: that quickness. He's gonna get up fuel. Uh. You love
Speaker 1: the energy, the motor that he plays with. It's not
Speaker 1: always the most efficient, but it's there, and I think
Speaker 1: you can you can coach that. Yeah. Now there's some
Speaker 1: questions about finding the ball and stuff a little bit
Speaker 1: there with that. Right, right there we go guy who
Speaker 1: started one game last year because he didn't exactly mesh
Speaker 1: well with the new coaching staff. Sure, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, you know, as long as you're comfortable with
Speaker 1: the player he interviewed, well, um, you know you're gonna
Speaker 1: feel comfortable with him there at that point. Okay, I
Speaker 1: want to circle this back to Jalen Ferguson because he
Speaker 1: was a guy we talked about at fifty eight. I mean,
Speaker 1: never say never, but defensive end is that? Is that
Speaker 1: the best use of your resources here at this point?
Speaker 1: What they've done well, they got a one year deal
Speaker 1: on Quinn. You don't know what the situation with with
Speaker 1: with Randy. Yeah, that to me, if they if their
Speaker 1: owns getting closer, if they Yeah, if they were worried
Speaker 1: about defensive ends, I think they would have brought one end.
Speaker 1: But Ferguson, and that's another a good point, Ferguson. Ferguson
Speaker 1: to me makes a lot of sense. But but I
Speaker 1: would I think they I think they have more promit
Speaker 1: defensive tackle than they do. Yeah. Agree. And by the way, folks,
Speaker 1: if you're I hope if you're listening from another team,
Speaker 1: we're talking about these players what they are too. I mean,
Speaker 1: Dane's giving you a scouting report, so hopefully it's not
Speaker 1: just cowboy totally cowboy related to you, but you're getting
Speaker 1: an idea of what type of players these are. I
Speaker 1: just I wonder and to your point, I mean, they
Speaker 1: didn't bring in a ton of true defensive ends in
Speaker 1: this year's visits. Ferguson was the only one, or did
Speaker 1: they even wind up bringing him? It never brought him in,
Speaker 1: so exactly. That's kind of my point is it just
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it. Okay, okay, well, okay, Friday's over,
Speaker 1: we're packing up shop, getting ready to come back for Saturday.
Speaker 1: How do you feel about one Thornhill and Trista Hill
Speaker 1: being your new was Dallas Cowboys? Let's go? You happy
Speaker 1: with that? Yeah, let's go. Yeah. No, it's a big win.
Speaker 1: Even though you hate Thornhill. I don't hate Thornhill. I
Speaker 1: just did fifty eight. I'm kind of like, Oh, he's
Speaker 1: the same guy. He's the same guy as you got.
Speaker 1: I'm sad it's not that, but no, but you're convinced
Speaker 1: me that. Oh, Brian, you know how they switch these
Speaker 1: guys around. They do they do. You're going to change
Speaker 1: the narrative to fit what they want to do. Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, got that wraps there. You talk about something,
Speaker 1: he'll get excited if that, if it gets close and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm I'm and we have to
Speaker 1: make a decision if we're gonna stay or we're gonna
Speaker 1: move a little bit. I got all these teams in
Speaker 1: front of me. I hate. I'm sorry Texans fans. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry Eagles fans. I used to work at the Eagles.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. There's no there's no way to quantify this,
Speaker 1: and I know people want to hear about that. There's
Speaker 1: no way to quantify it. But like, this won't follow
Speaker 1: the script exactly, you know what I mean, Like I
Speaker 1: mean we're sitting here. Yeah, but it's good discussion, man, No,
Speaker 1: it's great discussion, great discussion. I think that should be
Speaker 1: encouraging for any fan. Yes, like here here in your
Speaker 1: late in the round two round two weeks before the draft,
Speaker 1: You're like, there's just no way Rap will be there
Speaker 1: or Abraham or this man talks to a lot of
Speaker 1: people around the way. Just wait to see his reaction
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys passed on Taylor Rap. That's what will happen. Now,
Speaker 1: clip this out, Kent is He'll be there and they'll
Speaker 1: take somebody else, Like, oh no, that's how the stuff question,
Speaker 1: and then I will lose my absolute mind. And so
Speaker 1: with all of our fans, yeah exactly. And I hate
Speaker 1: to be the influencer like those ladies that are on
Speaker 1: Instagram influencers I'm an influencer on the draft. Oh my god, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you's a pipe piper, folks. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, right,
Speaker 1: it's a tape, right, all right. Go to the fourth round,
Speaker 1: fourth round, one, twenty eighth when Bryce Love sapt running
Speaker 1: back for you, even though he wasn't a thirty visit
Speaker 1: for this team. You know, it's just you don't want
Speaker 1: to Collard and guys like that. Maybe, I mean right,
Speaker 1: and again, coming off the injury, you don't know what
Speaker 1: he's gonna give you this year, sure, because it was
Speaker 1: a December or November. Yeah, November, December, December. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was at the cal the big game, right, so I
Speaker 1: do think it's worth So he got a clean bill
Speaker 1: from the combine rechecks this week here we go and
Speaker 1: then and you know, obviously players are going to bet
Speaker 1: on themselves and sell themselves. But he goes on Ian
Speaker 1: Rappaport's podcast and was like, acl injuries aren't with they
Speaker 1: used to be? Yeah, which, like I love hearing that
Speaker 1: because maybe I'll have him by September or maybe even
Speaker 1: he might be a pup guy. Right, yeah, beat miss
Speaker 1: half year. It ain't a big enough deal that I'm
Speaker 1: scared of drafting him. No, I would be very I
Speaker 1: would be very excited about. But it's just enough where
Speaker 1: he might follow you in the fourth sure, which is
Speaker 1: what you want? Would you have the fourth round him?
Speaker 1: Give me a couple of names? Uh, right after him?
Speaker 1: And this is a guy considered if if they didn't
Speaker 1: go Deefen to tackle on the third Daniel Wise from Kansas. Oh,
Speaker 1: there we go. There's plenty of Dallas and Daniel Wise connections. Ye.
Speaker 1: That's one of those circle that circle, that name, circle
Speaker 1: that name, Daniel Wise, Kansas. So that was a possibility.
Speaker 1: Um right before him, a few running backs, I went
Speaker 1: running back, running back, running back? Oh, listen to that, Rychwell, Armstead,
Speaker 1: Dexter Williams, and Bryce Love. Okay, those always running backs.
Speaker 1: He's thinking about him in the third round or fourth round.
Speaker 1: Emmanuel Hall or Missouri went right before who this team
Speaker 1: brought in for a thirty visites? Its draft being good
Speaker 1: so far? Yeah, funny how it works out for you
Speaker 1: when you're doing it in theory. Yeah, But and then
Speaker 1: when it happens, I'm gonna be like throwing up on myself.
Speaker 1: I think, oh, you'll be elated, you'll be elated. Yeah.
Speaker 1: At one thirty six for the Dallas Cowboys. I went
Speaker 1: John Kaminski. See this is the one where I sucking
Speaker 1: wind in my teeth right now, I'm doing that. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. I'm just not a fan of his.
Speaker 1: It's there's so much inconsistency with the way he plays.
Speaker 1: We're trying to fix sp tackle all at once like
Speaker 1: a play. Yeah, but he plays in he gets real tall,
Speaker 1: he runs up, he's got trades. He's absolutely right about
Speaker 1: the trades you will see him play. They don't have
Speaker 1: a bounce house in the end zone, so I can't
Speaker 1: really grade him that highly. You need to have a
Speaker 1: bounce house if you're doing any small schools doing this stuff.
Speaker 1: But me, to me, you have to find a way again,
Speaker 1: where do you play this guy? Do you play him
Speaker 1: at tackle? Do you play m a defensive end? That's
Speaker 1: that's I think you play him at end? I think
Speaker 1: he's a he can be a base end for yeah,
Speaker 1: there he goes. He's like a left end is what
Speaker 1: he is, you know. But man, I don't know, there's
Speaker 1: just so much. I'm like, I'm watching some katiges. I
Speaker 1: just got blocked by a butcher. You know. You know,
Speaker 1: if you know, like, he's not wrong. Played at the
Speaker 1: Division two level. Yeah, it's I'm saying, though, I see
Speaker 1: and that's I know. Look, I know he was a visit.
Speaker 1: I know he's a name the Cowboys have interested in.
Speaker 1: But I gotta based on their recent history, I gotta
Speaker 1: see it to believe that they're drafting a guy out
Speaker 1: of Charleston in the fourth round. Yeah, that's just not
Speaker 1: what they've done. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. I'm racking my
Speaker 1: brain to think of like, oh, but he's a Marinelli
Speaker 1: type of guy. Dane's not wrong about this. He's a
Speaker 1: Marinelli type of guy that they'll be like, he thrashes around,
Speaker 1: he runs, he you know, Rod, they'll try to we'll
Speaker 1: try to get him for you in the seventh I
Speaker 1: could be wrong. I see. I have to give if
Speaker 1: the fourth round is where he's probably gonna go, what
Speaker 1: is he's not you think? So? Yeah? What is the
Speaker 1: smallest hang team's draft trade by the Cowboys draft of
Speaker 1: the nineties. Oh god, Brian's you're just giving Brian anxiety.
Speaker 1: I don't will Will not take a player from Charleston
Speaker 1: at ninety all right, what what what's the small and
Speaker 1: I have it pulled up here, so I know the answer.
Speaker 1: The smallest school that's not the Will McClay era. What
Speaker 1: is the smallest school that a Will McClay draft has
Speaker 1: taken Michigan? When did they take him? Central Michigan, Eastern Michigan. Yeah,
Speaker 1: fer which Central Michigan is a pretty big bus league.
Speaker 1: So group of five, you've got Northern Illinois, You've got Wyoming,
Speaker 1: you've got Eastern Michigan, Central Michigan, Uh, Louisiana, Tech, Western Kentucky, Well,
Speaker 1: Mike White, Yeah, all all group of five and all
Speaker 1: round five or later. So they've got a five year
Speaker 1: history of really banking on pretty big schools. I I
Speaker 1: gotta see it to believe that they're gonna draft fair. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think that's fair. I think with a second fourth
Speaker 1: round pick, I don't know. You never know. And that's
Speaker 1: and I respect you. No, No, I totally. He was.
Speaker 1: He was a thirty. Like you're pulling this out of nowhere? Okay,
Speaker 1: five one sixty five. Cole HOKEM North Carolina linebacker. We
Speaker 1: know this team likes a draft linebackers. Coul HOKEM outstanding trades.
Speaker 1: He's a former walk on, just an easy player to
Speaker 1: like if you want him. Yeah, I can get super aggressive,
Speaker 1: though maybe overly aggressive the way he plays. Could you
Speaker 1: watch him play. He'll run to the football, will tackle,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden it's like whoa, he rover
Speaker 1: ran the play and he's right there, but he gets
Speaker 1: he gets to the spot in a hurry. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: like that pick at five one sixty five. I agree.
Speaker 1: And some names right after him, Carl Granderson for Wyoming.
Speaker 1: There's a lot going on there, isn't there. My off
Speaker 1: field stuff not really good with him Granderson, Wyoming. It's
Speaker 1: not great. Although it sounds like I might be cleared
Speaker 1: up here pretty shortly. Okay, I'm talking to scouts again. Yes, uh,
Speaker 1: Dak's Raymond waiting right around that. Are tie it in? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm tied in. Jalen Hurd Baylor. Oh you give him
Speaker 1: the way. I'm a big Jayalen Hurd fans. See, I'm
Speaker 1: getting excited about this draft because he names Penny Hard.
Speaker 1: I'm kinda gonna pushing him away. We haven't seen him
Speaker 1: since a combine or since the mobile. Yeah, yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: pushing him away, all right. I just don't. I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of his Okay, I'm just not a fan
Speaker 1: of his. I wanted to like him, and you guys
Speaker 1: were trying to sell me on him, but I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not a fan before Give me Herd before him.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna draft the wide receiver, give me her
Speaker 1: Herd ran four six three. Yeah, it happened. This burlap
Speaker 1: bag was just a bag race. What were you doing? Then?
Speaker 1: He must still be bothering him, you think not no
Speaker 1: time to train? Well, yeah, because he he gets pressure
Speaker 1: tree late December. They're feeling pressure to run, right. Well,
Speaker 1: he was supposed be pricked him. He was supposed to
Speaker 1: be good to Senior Bowl and do it. So once
Speaker 1: we got the combine, couldn't do it. Baylor's Pro day
Speaker 1: is late or early April. Yeah, it wasn't hundred percent
Speaker 1: and have enough time to train so real quick. Two
Speaker 1: on seven, two forty one in the draft of the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Chris Westreet corner from Kentucky who six four and a
Speaker 1: half literally six h four four. Yeah, ran in the corner,
Speaker 1: which is just you don't see six four corners right,
Speaker 1: and ran a four to three at the pro day,
Speaker 1: and we talked about the Kentucky defenders. There's you know,
Speaker 1: a half dozen. These guys aren't getting drafted. He's the
Speaker 1: one in the secondary who didn't get invite to the
Speaker 1: combine tall drink of water. Who athleticism is there? Uh?
Speaker 1: You know? He can stick to receivers. It's just he
Speaker 1: doesn't really have a fuel for coverage. He doesn't. But
Speaker 1: he's basically here in the seventh round. It's pet project
Speaker 1: for Christian Sharpe. Put him on the track, just put
Speaker 1: him on the practice squad, and like Christoph Sharp, the
Speaker 1: measurables alone would get him picked in the sixth. If
Speaker 1: he's in two forty one. Yeah, if he'said two forty one,
Speaker 1: whoa what what gas mask? What happened? Maybe that's a
Speaker 1: n Xavier Wood situation where you trade up into the
Speaker 1: six exactly. That's it. I just realized that Bryce Love
Speaker 1: is the only offensive player you took in this draft,
Speaker 1: which I mean, hey, yeah, what's six picks right? Defense? Yep,
Speaker 1: you got that right. As much as I would love
Speaker 1: to see this team draft the receiver, I think you
Speaker 1: can get away. I mean, you need a running back.
Speaker 1: Other than that, I think you could get away with
Speaker 1: not drafting anything the way this is yeah, because I
Speaker 1: mean you still have hopes for Noah Brown, right right,
Speaker 1: for lance LEANOI we still have hopes for them, and
Speaker 1: that's not really a bad fallback plan if they don't
Speaker 1: drafts what our Boyse State receiver from last year, Wilson.
Speaker 1: So I think this team does not need to draft
Speaker 1: the receiver if they don't get their guy and say
Speaker 1: the third or fourth round, which, before anybody yells at me,
Speaker 1: I yeah, Will McClay has spent big picks on Boise
Speaker 1: State players, but I consider that like the best of
Speaker 1: the best, like they're basically a Power five program. I
Speaker 1: think so too. So now for my undrafted I'm just
Speaker 1: kidding her. Hey, all right, hey, thank you Dan, great chop.
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Speaker 1: appreciate you. I hinted at this in the first segments,
Speaker 1: so I'll jump right into it with a question from Brady.
Speaker 1: He wants a comparison. He's talking about Wan Thornhill and
Speaker 1: Darnell Savage. Let's just say they're top two players available.
Speaker 1: He says, who fits better with Dallas. I just want
Speaker 1: to know, in general, like a thumbnail, a comparison between
Speaker 1: these two guys. We talked a lot about Thornhill, haven't
Speaker 1: talked as much about Savage. Cowboys don't seem to be
Speaker 1: as interested perhaps why just kind of break those two
Speaker 1: down for me. Well, I think they're both interesting because
Speaker 1: they have corner safety versatility. Both thorn Hill is a
Speaker 1: safety for two years or thorne Hill is a corner
Speaker 1: for two years before he moved back to safety. Savage
Speaker 1: was a corner when he arrived, played a little bit,
Speaker 1: but he's moved to safety pretty quickly at Maryland. Savage
Speaker 1: is a little undersized, and that's what I think you
Speaker 1: worry about in a safety because he's just below He's
Speaker 1: about five ten three quarters one hundred ninety eight pounds. Ideally,
Speaker 1: you want to safety as bigger than that. Thorne Hill's
Speaker 1: over six foot two hundred and five or six pounds,
Speaker 1: so the size advantage goes to Thornhill. That's that's a
Speaker 1: big part of a safety because you're talking about a
Speaker 1: guy who's it's it's a physical position. You have to
Speaker 1: be able to hold up some Some teams won't even
Speaker 1: draft a sub two hundred pound safety, won't even consider it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why Thompson from Alabama's having some issue right now.
Speaker 1: I believe that in the injury and nobody really is
Speaker 1: sure what he really runs, that risk keeping him from running,
Speaker 1: which I don't understand Dane. Well, I'll tell you this though,
Speaker 1: I think Dane nailed both these guys. I think if
Speaker 1: you're either one of these guys can cover. I think
Speaker 1: both these guys show really good range when you watch
Speaker 1: them play, you know, and that's you know, you're looking
Speaker 1: for a guy. It's a free safety type of guy.
Speaker 1: And this day and age is a safety. You gotta
Speaker 1: be able to cover a little bit, you know, you
Speaker 1: gotta be able to go. If they asked you to
Speaker 1: plan the slot a lot of it, you could argue, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean they asked Xavier Woods his rookie year, they
Speaker 1: threw him in this slot and asked him to play,
Speaker 1: and he held up pretty well. And so I think
Speaker 1: that you know, Savage and Thornhill, either one of those
Speaker 1: I know, to get into Uh, we're gonna get into
Speaker 1: our little thing. Who would you rather? You know? And
Speaker 1: that would be a that's a good who would you rather?
Speaker 1: Right there to me? Thorne Hill and yeah and Savage. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So you think that it's Savage's size that kind of
Speaker 1: pushes him out of the commerce hundred ninety eight pounds.
Speaker 1: He's five to ten four. I believe it is what
Speaker 1: he is. I think I'm right about that. It's five
Speaker 1: and six, six, You never you never know for sure.
Speaker 1: I mean the Cowboys have drafted guys that they haven't
Speaker 1: been strongly linked to obviously, Like all six run now,
Speaker 1: all six of their picks are not going to be
Speaker 1: thirty visits. Yeah all right, but we just haven't heard
Speaker 1: a lot about him and three five and I love Savage, um,
Speaker 1: and he's sixty eight on my board overall. Um, I
Speaker 1: just have Thorne Hill whenever Jeff Thorne Hill. I have
Speaker 1: a new top one hundry coming out, thorn Hills forty seven.
Speaker 1: So okay, So yeah, that's well. And I love Savage.
Speaker 1: I was talking about him when nobody was in the fall. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, like he's he's a player that pops off
Speaker 1: the screen because of his place, be the way he
Speaker 1: can jump route make play is um. But it's just
Speaker 1: the size does worry me a little bit. And that's
Speaker 1: why I view him as an early third and not
Speaker 1: a mid second. Like so you've got two guys who
Speaker 1: can really read and react to that's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: it's a fair it's a fair comparer. He's got him
Speaker 1: a part. But I mean I I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: I would either one of those guys, I'd be okay,
Speaker 1: I'll think either yeah too tall. Yeah, here's something that
Speaker 1: we haven't really talked about since. Probably the combine good
Speaker 1: point in my opinion. He says, with what Dallas has
Speaker 1: done in the offseason and free agency, has that made
Speaker 1: the Blue Star Special aka Jeffrey Simmons more of a
Speaker 1: possibility or is it so unrealistic to think he falls.
Speaker 1: I'd be shocked. I'd be surprised if he's out of
Speaker 1: the first round. Yeah, New England sitting at the back
Speaker 1: end there, somebody like that. New England's got so many
Speaker 1: picks where they can they could take a hurt player
Speaker 1: and and make it work. Like I just hate saying
Speaker 1: no chance, but I would put it at maybe one
Speaker 1: percent chance he gets to fifty eight. Just bums me out,
Speaker 1: because I really they have done such a good job
Speaker 1: acquiring talent and free agency that I would love to
Speaker 1: make that pick. I don't care that he can't play this.
Speaker 1: You know, it's you know, it's funny. First, I know
Speaker 1: if they still had their pick at twenty seven, damn right,
Speaker 1: I'd do that circle that bad boy. Absolutely, I'd be yeah,
Speaker 1: we'd be talking about that as a possibility. Question. I
Speaker 1: love this question from King Q because it's Cowboys related,
Speaker 1: but not really well sort of. You'll see. He says,
Speaker 1: as a Cowboys fan, how should I feel if the
Speaker 1: Giants select Dwayne Haskins? M I'd feel better if you're
Speaker 1: a Cowboys fans. That's there, you go, that's the crux
Speaker 1: of it. Like, are you excited because you don't think
Speaker 1: he's good? If you're a Cowboys fan, I think you'd
Speaker 1: rather than take Daniel Jones. Yeah I do too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's thank you, Thank you for saying that, because I'm
Speaker 1: I'm about fed up with and I'm not a quarterback whisperer,
Speaker 1: but I'm pretty fed up with this pre draft hoop
Speaker 1: law that Haskins might be the fourth best quarterback, he
Speaker 1: might be the fourth drafted. I think it's possible, which
Speaker 1: is insane. I agree, why the one year sample size
Speaker 1: bothers people? And then just the so he's not the
Speaker 1: best at negotiating the pass rush and he's not very mobile, fine, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: finding the second change strong. I mean, he was standing
Speaker 1: there and make throws all day, but you got you
Speaker 1: gotta protect today's NFL. Yeah, you have to be able
Speaker 1: to maneuver and find those check second chance throws, throw
Speaker 1: off platform. He just doesn't. And I don't. I don't
Speaker 1: necessarily think it's a talent issue. I think it's just
Speaker 1: an experience issue. It's experience. He's playing a lot of
Speaker 1: huge games. Though you can't just can't, I mean for
Speaker 1: one year quarterback. No, he has played some huge games
Speaker 1: and but you you, but you have I think you
Speaker 1: have to have mobility to play quarterback in a national
Speaker 1: football like. I think that's why. I think that's why
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray is intriguing to people that they're they're looking
Speaker 1: past the height because he's so mobile. One year sample size, yep.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I try to avoid hot takes, but
Speaker 1: I just don't buy that this. I don't buy that
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones is a better quarterback than Dwayne Haskins. I
Speaker 1: don't either. But I would not be shocked if I
Speaker 1: would not be shocked Withdrew Locke is draft ahead of Haskins,
Speaker 1: I would not be shocked at Daniel Jones as draft quarterback.
Speaker 1: At Beauty's and they on the beholder and New England,
Speaker 1: did you see New England visit a couple of those guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Locke and those guys smart, Yeah, they went and visited
Speaker 1: a couple. They got a couple those guys coming in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they've got a lot of draft capital. Yeah. So if
Speaker 1: one of those guys, the big storyline going into the
Speaker 1: draft would be how many of those four are going
Speaker 1: to top seventeen picks? Yeah? Not the Giants had that
Speaker 1: seventeenth pick, how many of the top four going top seventeen.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't be surprised of all of them go that high,
Speaker 1: but if one of them might fall a little bit, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can bet New England. Oh, they'll be on the phone.
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers, Chargers be on the phone. If
Speaker 1: I'm if I'm if I'm a Dallas Cowboys fan. Chargers
Speaker 1: moving to new stadium too. I'm praying that the Giants
Speaker 1: take Daniel Jones. Oh, I absolutely praying. Yeah, they decide
Speaker 1: they don't want Dayne Hask Yes, you know what the
Speaker 1: Giants Gettleman he will take he will take a big
Speaker 1: ten player, he will he will gentleman will do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But I think when you look at Daniel Jones, that's
Speaker 1: the Giants. Okay, Giants do that but you look at Eli,
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones and Eli Manning connection there, I think I
Speaker 1: think that that would be really appealing. Yeah, just to
Speaker 1: be able to keep that continuity, that's a very great point.
Speaker 1: I think that it could be. Yeah. No, if Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones head coach is Mike Smith. You know, like, are
Speaker 1: we still talking about Daniel Jones the way we are?
Speaker 1: I mean probably not, So that matters a lot, just
Speaker 1: how he was tutored, the Manning influence, and that's why
Speaker 1: I think for the Giants, that's why we're the connections
Speaker 1: being made, and I think we'll be made up until
Speaker 1: draft day and we find out who they pick. Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones reminds me of Nassib just I mean, not not
Speaker 1: as a player, but like just all kinds of pre
Speaker 1: draft type and yeah, go away. Sorry, sorry, Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: Giant fans feel are really good about that. Eric says,
Speaker 1: here's it. Okay, we want to talk about guys we
Speaker 1: haven't talked about. Eric says, Okay, we've talked about Zach Allen.
Speaker 1: Ignore that if both Zach Allen and Christian Miller fall
Speaker 1: to fifty eight or they're they're at fifty eight, time,
Speaker 1: Zach Allen and Christian Miller, the Alabama linebacker. They're looking
Speaker 1: at this guy's a linebacker, that's linebacker kind He's a
Speaker 1: tweener kind of guy, right, huge by the way, saw him.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're looking kids. He makes some guys on
Speaker 1: the Cowboys roster look puny. He's huge and give him
Speaker 1: a sky report on the grits. Here. Just these these
Speaker 1: two guys, These two guys. And how do you feel
Speaker 1: about Christian Miller in general, because he's a guy that
Speaker 1: they brought in who we really have not talked a
Speaker 1: lot about. There are a lot of people hire on
Speaker 1: Christian Miller than I am. I don't. I like him.
Speaker 1: But first off, he couldn't stay healthy in college. I
Speaker 1: think he started a total of like four games his
Speaker 1: entire career. Like he just he couldn't stay healthy. I
Speaker 1: like his ability to get up field and affect the
Speaker 1: quarterback from the edge. But again, if they're looking at
Speaker 1: him as a linebacker, yeah, I don't know. I I'm
Speaker 1: gonna let someone else drap him. I kind of you know,
Speaker 1: he's a guy with dange right though. And I was
Speaker 1: looking at my notes. You know, he plays like as
Speaker 1: a stand up defensive end or an outside linebackers. Really
Speaker 1: what he plays at. I think this guy's got some
Speaker 1: snap to him. No, when you you know, when you
Speaker 1: talk about a rusher, he has a rusher you know
Speaker 1: when he when he gets on. I mean, he's got
Speaker 1: some things. He's really quick with his hands. But I
Speaker 1: you know what, I just kind of feel like though
Speaker 1: that that if you if you draft him, he might
Speaker 1: be if they're looking at him maybe as a Sam linebacker,
Speaker 1: that that would be kind of where I would think
Speaker 1: that they maybe would play him. I hate everything you're saying,
Speaker 1: do you yeah, because you hate Sam linebacker. I hate
Speaker 1: Sam linebackers. Drafted fifty eighth overall, Yeah, I don't. There's
Speaker 1: it would make no sense that they draft him fifty eighth.
Speaker 1: To me, I don't know. I don't get it. Can
Speaker 1: he put his hand in the dirt and rush the past?
Speaker 1: The problem is I think he's he needs to develop
Speaker 1: some passer orsh moves though. I saw a guy that
Speaker 1: tries to win on quickness and it doesn't always work
Speaker 1: with him. Yeah, that when you don't win with quickness
Speaker 1: and that's your game, you better have something else you
Speaker 1: could win with. And that's why I think maybe they're
Speaker 1: looking at this guy as a linebacker and maybe a
Speaker 1: hand on the ground guy in Nickel. But I didn't
Speaker 1: see a guy that had I mean, if he didn't
Speaker 1: win with a quickness, he wasn't gonna win. You know
Speaker 1: how many, um you know what the percentage of snaps
Speaker 1: was for Damien Wilson last year? Twenty eight Yep, nailed it.
Speaker 1: That's the second round pick, twenty eight percent of the snaps.
Speaker 1: No go away. Sorry, you guys really draft a running
Speaker 1: back there? That I would? I would. I would rather
Speaker 1: draft a running back at fifty eight and I don't
Speaker 1: want to, but I would. It's if it came to
Speaker 1: the Christian Miller running back, you'd take. Yeah, the running back. Yeah, especially,
Speaker 1: I mean so you're probably getting like the second or
Speaker 1: third blast running back in the class. He just went
Speaker 1: against you on that one. Huh. Well, no, I mean
Speaker 1: I would. Christian Miller's way too rich at fifty eight. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, I mean, I agree on the concept of
Speaker 1: running back over a linebacker, but I would I'm putting
Speaker 1: Miller as a pan on the ground end in that scenario,
Speaker 1: then you better teach him how to rush the past. Yes, So,
Speaker 1: and that's That's basically all he did on days In
Speaker 1: the scenario Eric presented, would you both say you'd rather
Speaker 1: draft Zach Allen then yes, because I think Zach Allen
Speaker 1: could play defensive tackle k Yeah. Yeah, he's your your
Speaker 1: Tyrone Crawford and they move on from Tyrone Crawford. This
Speaker 1: will be your new Tyron Crawford. I think this guy's
Speaker 1: name is Dane actually, tweet day three, your goal is
Speaker 1: to draft the most polished route runner available. Name three
Speaker 1: options at wide receiver. Most polished, polished routould be available
Speaker 1: on day three. I think you would go Stanley Morgan
Speaker 1: from Nebraska. Well, that's a good start. Six foot, two
Speaker 1: hundred pounds, not the you know, he's a four or
Speaker 1: five athlete, not going to necessarily separate with ease with
Speaker 1: his quickness, but he can a little bit because he
Speaker 1: is a sharp route runner. Um. How about the kid
Speaker 1: from Fresno, Keisha John Johnson. Yeah, I think he's a smooth. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's very fleet of foot. Yeah. Um, it's quicker than fast,
Speaker 1: and that you see that in his routes. Jacoby Myers
Speaker 1: from NC State. Jacoby Myers would be a good one.
Speaker 1: Guy we saw at the senior Bowl who not. I
Speaker 1: mean he I'm surprised how slow he was. He ran
Speaker 1: a four six three at the combine. But he's able
Speaker 1: to be productive because of his routes. Yeah, so in
Speaker 1: a former quarterback, he's really become a natural route runner.
Speaker 1: So I think those three names right there would make sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: definitely from cal Davis. Davis, Yeah, yea, he had. He
Speaker 1: just had his pro day last week and did fairly well,
Speaker 1: low four fives. But another sharp route runner, very kind
Speaker 1: of a tactician at the position. Sure. Anthony Johnson Buffalo Beyond, Yeah,
Speaker 1: big guy, you know, and all these guys are kind
Speaker 1: of like four or five athletes, you know, who don't
Speaker 1: have elite speed, but they are able. And we're talking
Speaker 1: about day three for a reason. But they are very
Speaker 1: sharp with their with their routes. Keep an eye on that.
Speaker 1: The Keyshawn Johnson from Fresno. Okay, seriously, that guy. You
Speaker 1: watched the tape of him. I mean he makes he
Speaker 1: is in and out of breaks. I mean there's not
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of wasted motion with the way
Speaker 1: play I have him. I have him more like almost
Speaker 1: like a fourth round guy. You know. He was named
Speaker 1: after who h Johnson real Keisha Johnson. He was born
Speaker 1: six months after Keishan went number one, and his dad
Speaker 1: was a big Keishaw Johnson fan. Okay, the USC guy.
Speaker 1: Dad was the USC gut. I didn't know if that's
Speaker 1: really who he was named after. Keishaw Johnson went to
Speaker 1: the same high school as Davante Adams uh and then
Speaker 1: followed him to Fresno. And you know, maybe I fall
Speaker 1: him the Packers. We'll see. Yep. Another hypothetical for your
Speaker 1: for your brains from our friend Connor Darwin Thompson in
Speaker 1: the sixth round or Justice Hill. We're about to play
Speaker 1: this game here in the thirty minutes. You're right now,
Speaker 1: It's okay, whatever, go ahead say Justice hillware third, we're
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Justice Let's save that, all right, We'll
Speaker 1: save it. I'm saying that. Yeah, let's go to break
Speaker 1: because that Justice Hill he's on one of our overlooked
Speaker 1: that my bed. Yeah, okay, when we return, we will
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Speaker 1: I get it back from the editors, it will be
Speaker 1: out there. And so it's just a waiting game unfortunately
Speaker 1: and driving me nuts. And as soon as I get it,
Speaker 1: I will push it out there. DP Burglar on that
Speaker 1: check twitter account, check you follow him on Twitter? What
Speaker 1: you all should do? He'll have that when the Beast
Speaker 1: is ready to be it'll be well worth the way
Speaker 1: over four hundred reports. Um, it just there's way too
Speaker 1: much information in there. Skill Brand's waiting for that right now,
Speaker 1: is all right? Dave Helmet In the last fifteen minutes
Speaker 1: or so, I do want to get to this. Who
Speaker 1: would you rather help us out here? I would love
Speaker 1: to help you out Okay, and I really yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: we'll just go down. Yeah, these are the list of guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with the position I want to talk
Speaker 1: least about. Okay, who would you rather North Carolina State
Speaker 1: linebacker Germaine Pratt, or which we already know the answer
Speaker 1: to this if you've listened to the show Hawaii linebacker
Speaker 1: Jilani Tavai. My boy, exactly is that gonna be? Is that?
Speaker 1: Is that a tough one for you? Or is that
Speaker 1: a there? I mean that there are what four and
Speaker 1: five on my rankings, so I mean they're pretty closely rated.
Speaker 1: But taking my boy to Vay, who I don't know,
Speaker 1: people sleeping on them and talking about them all year,
Speaker 1: and he's he's a He's exactly what the NFL is
Speaker 1: like in tremed to an extent to former safety versatility.
Speaker 1: Give me to buy inside outside can play all three downs.
Speaker 1: I just didn't do so much. And I think he's
Speaker 1: because he's out of sight, out of mind. Maybe he's
Speaker 1: been hurt with the shoulder. Yeah, people haven't been talking
Speaker 1: about him a lot. But give me to Vay and
Speaker 1: I'll feel good about him. People are gonna be surprised
Speaker 1: when he comes off the board in the second round,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean that's that he's a good I
Speaker 1: got Pratt in the second round too, though. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: really like Pratt, and I mean this guy for such
Speaker 1: a long guy six two on a half to forty
Speaker 1: he could redirect, I mean, and both. That's why I
Speaker 1: think that both these guys are very similar because you
Speaker 1: watch the way they get outside the tackle box. You
Speaker 1: watch to say that the way they were able to redirect.
Speaker 1: You watch the way they play downhill. These guys can tackle.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think they're really very similar to each other.
Speaker 1: I understand what you're saying about the Hawaii kid. I
Speaker 1: just feel like though that Pratt might be just a
Speaker 1: little bit better though when it comes to playing in
Speaker 1: coverage and stuff like that. That's just my opinion on that.
Speaker 1: I got him really close. So I mean, I I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna disagree with you strongly. Um, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: either way, you're coming home with two really good players. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you, if you either whoever drafts these kids, isn't
Speaker 1: that kind of the point of the exercise. Yeah, no, absolutely, Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: no that I would take Pratt over him if you
Speaker 1: had to, if you, my tags would be proud over him.
Speaker 1: Sixty three and sixty nine on my report on my
Speaker 1: top one hundred sixty three price sixty nine. Kurt Daniels
Speaker 1: just emailed me to let us know there are hard
Speaker 1: copies available. Again, we got a new printing of the
Speaker 1: draftmag Okay, and that's it. The Barnes and Noble saying
Speaker 1: what did Yeah, you can go to you can go
Speaker 1: to the Cowboys shop and Ferst shop and then Cowers
Speaker 1: dot com. Right, yeah, okay, I'm sorry about that. I
Speaker 1: should have been better prepared on Nick. Okay, Dan, do
Speaker 1: you like sushi? Yeah, you're supposed Tomahawk shop. Okay. Whatever
Speaker 1: was I supposed to say? I was gonna these are
Speaker 1: both raw prospects. That was That was the jokes. But
Speaker 1: now it's okay, blue Steak. Look, there we go, Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Blue. Yeah, there you go, San Diego States, Kahale
Speaker 1: wearing Mississippi's Dawson knocks. That's good man. Rather, I think
Speaker 1: those are those are two you know, second third round
Speaker 1: safety or tight ends guys in date on day two
Speaker 1: that after you get past the top three, assuming it's
Speaker 1: gonna be the two Iowa guys and Alabama's or Smith,
Speaker 1: who's gonna be a next tight end off the board.
Speaker 1: It could be Warring, could be Knox, could be Sternberger.
Speaker 1: Warring and Knox both, like Dave said, are raw. It's
Speaker 1: upside picks. You like the tools, very toolsy guys and
Speaker 1: Eileen Warring in that in that case. But you know,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't have a huge difference between them.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm thinking knocks. I'd say it knocks. You watch
Speaker 1: him get down the field and Mississippi five times he
Speaker 1: did it not yeah, I mean yeah, no, but but
Speaker 1: it's no. But it's like you're thinking, when they did
Speaker 1: throw him the ball. I mean, he's making stuff happen.
Speaker 1: Wearing is really raw. You're right about that. He didn't
Speaker 1: play football. He's a water polo Goldie and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: I mean, this guy's got some reach to him in
Speaker 1: length and things like that. He's a great athlete. I
Speaker 1: think I would go Wearing over him over Knox and
Speaker 1: I and I really I like Knox to a point.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of them are great blockers, but
Speaker 1: I thought both of them were really good with the
Speaker 1: ball in their hands. So I would probably go with Warring.
Speaker 1: That's you know, give me the guy six six two
Speaker 1: fifty four. You know, yeah, I'm Warring. I think Warring
Speaker 1: is actually a pretty good blocker, considering, yeah, he's only
Speaker 1: been doing it for a couple of years, the fact
Speaker 1: that he had a google with tight end meant when
Speaker 1: he got to Sandeo State. Sure, so I'm pretty impressed
Speaker 1: with his blocking. For a guy that's so inexperienced, you
Speaker 1: have to draft them both at fifty eight, you would
Speaker 1: think yeah and no, just no, thank you. I know.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm scared. I don't think either we'll get to ninety.
Speaker 1: That's fine, there's no way that either get to ninety.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm doing two good athletes for not
Speaker 1: when somebody drafts Dawson Knox with his thirty nine career
Speaker 1: catches at fifty or at fifty seven, I'm who's our
Speaker 1: Iowa kittle throwing is an example at Iowa did not
Speaker 1: have a lot of receptions well, and I get it
Speaker 1: the nature of like, no, like there aren't any college
Speaker 1: tight ends in this day and age that just have
Speaker 1: other worldly production, at least not very many, right, So
Speaker 1: I get that, but man, that's that's scary for me.
Speaker 1: Cornerback uh Michigan State's Justin Lane, George's DeAndre Baker, m
Speaker 1: hm um, I have them closely rated the whole. I'm
Speaker 1: just kind of playing along with the game. Um, let
Speaker 1: me see how far apart I have Baker slightly ahead.
Speaker 1: I've got Baker at in thirty and Lane at thirty five,
Speaker 1: So I think one, Justin Lane has bigger upside um.
Speaker 1: You know, wide receiver. They moved a corner tall long.
Speaker 1: I think he's the only I believe in my corner rankings,
Speaker 1: the only corner had over an eighty inch yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: which is ridiculous for a corner and have that big
Speaker 1: of a wingspan. Um, But Baker is just I've seen
Speaker 1: him do it on the highest level of college football. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think his ability to anticipate routes, timement up the
Speaker 1: catch point, and you know, just be disruptive, I think
Speaker 1: is something that I'm going to bet on over Justin
Speaker 1: Lane's upside, even though I do like his upside. It's
Speaker 1: why I have him ranked thirty five overall. With Lane,
Speaker 1: it's there's some spacing issues. I think he'll get it
Speaker 1: figured out. It's just gonna take some time. Baker not
Speaker 1: a clean prospect by any means. There's some questions about
Speaker 1: his attitude and he's gonna work at it, and his
Speaker 1: pre drift process wasn't great. So but again, I've seen
Speaker 1: him do it at a high level at Georgia and
Speaker 1: so you know, I would bet on that over the
Speaker 1: upside of Lane. This guy's got some really good feel
Speaker 1: how to squeeze receivers off the field. Baker. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: is one of those guys which comes to positioning. You
Speaker 1: know when when a guy turns and tries to get
Speaker 1: up the field on him, he will use his body
Speaker 1: to and he will push. Did it against Deebo? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean he will push wide receivers completely off the field.
Speaker 1: You're right about him playing it really high level though. Two.
Speaker 1: I just thought the reading reactions the ball was really
Speaker 1: good too, So you're going Baker too. I'm going Baker there?
Speaker 1: Where did what was your discrepancy? Thirty and thirty five? No,
Speaker 1: I'm upside. What do the Cowboys have? They have like
Speaker 1: a hell of a dB coach, right, like a really
Speaker 1: good one who's got a track record of developing fifth
Speaker 1: round picks into all pros. And Justin Lane's like custom
Speaker 1: built for what he wants. Yeah, give me that, especially
Speaker 1: if you tell me effort and attitude or question marks
Speaker 1: with Baker, then I'm even more or so in on
Speaker 1: Justin Lane, I think for this team, Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised at all if they had Lane rated
Speaker 1: higher than Baker because he is I mean justin lane
Speaker 1: six two, one hundred ninety pounds thirty three in arms.
Speaker 1: If you told me Lane and I don't, I know,
Speaker 1: I understand he probably won't be But if you told
Speaker 1: me he was there at fifty eight, even without an
Speaker 1: immediate need at cornerback, I would be elated to make
Speaker 1: Lane over Williams and Jawan Williams right from Baker. Would yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I've got um Lane Julian Love then Joe one Williams. Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: Wide receiver Baylor's Jalen Hurd and Toledo's Deonte Johnson M
Speaker 1: couple late third, early fourths. Maybe um, those two Lado
Speaker 1: receivers are kind of fun to watch. All three of them? Really?
Speaker 1: Are all three? You're gonna get drafted? Yeah? Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would go Deonte Johnson, I think, what will you? I
Speaker 1: just I like watching her with the ball in his hand.
Speaker 1: He said it, he said it. There's something about herd
Speaker 1: you watch him catch the ball in the move, and
Speaker 1: that said former running back mentality. Johnson is good, dude.
Speaker 1: That's why I was thinking about the comparison. Yeah, that's good,
Speaker 1: But but I I give me heard, just because I
Speaker 1: feel like though ball in hand, on the move, snatch
Speaker 1: the football, get up the field, make something happen. He's
Speaker 1: that guy. He's in. If you're talking about third fourth
Speaker 1: round guy, give me that guy. I agree. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: bet on the speed of Deontay Johnson, his ability to
Speaker 1: separate and create, yeah, because he I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you're right about the running back mentality, and I think
Speaker 1: you nailed Herd, But I'll take the guy that's just
Speaker 1: a little bit better of a space athlete, you know,
Speaker 1: like where he's gonna able to create on his own,
Speaker 1: be elusive, b shifty. You can line him up everywhere
Speaker 1: on the offense, and I think you can do that
Speaker 1: with Herd. But we've only seen him really as a
Speaker 1: big slot, you know, like we don't know can you
Speaker 1: survive as an outside receiver consistently. I'm thinking his body
Speaker 1: type of will allow him if someone grabs him and
Speaker 1: coaches him the way that he's able to he understands
Speaker 1: how to work inside right, that somebody will figure out
Speaker 1: how to work right. And I think he can't. We
Speaker 1: just haven't seen him do it, so you know, I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's hurd is really I expected him to run better
Speaker 1: at the Pro Day, and so that four six is
Speaker 1: a little bothersome. And the fact that we're gonna have
Speaker 1: been a senior Bowl couldn't see him the combine that
Speaker 1: bothers me. But I still I would take him in
Speaker 1: the fourth round. I would just take Deontay Johnson ahead
Speaker 1: of him. All Right. I need y'all to hustle with
Speaker 1: these last three because we're running or defensive tackle a
Speaker 1: couple of big school guys who aren't generating a ton
Speaker 1: of buzz. Penn States Kevin Gibbons. Auburn's Dontavius Russell ranked
Speaker 1: back to back for me, Larry, I mean, hi, I think, well, flip,
Speaker 1: it depends what you want. I think ones a nose tackle.
Speaker 1: One's an upfield guy. You know quickness, and so if
Speaker 1: you want the nose, then Dontavious Russell is your guy.
Speaker 1: He's this big, massive guy. Yeah, he's not gonna give
Speaker 1: you range. He's not gonna give you a big, wide
Speaker 1: area of impact. But he can handle double teams, he
Speaker 1: can two gap, he can hold his own on the inside,
Speaker 1: work off blocks, and make stops first to run. Not
Speaker 1: gonna give you much as a pass rusher. No. Kevin Gibbons,
Speaker 1: on the other hand, is disruptive, pretty raw. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: he's still figuring things out. He was a linebacker in
Speaker 1: high school. Yeah, played more a little bit of d N.
Speaker 1: Then he played like as an undertackle at Penn State.
Speaker 1: But he's that quickness guy. You need to be a
Speaker 1: little more creative with him. Again, So it just depends
Speaker 1: on what you want. If you want to undertackles, guy's
Speaker 1: gonna be more quick than anything. Take Givens, you want
Speaker 1: the power from those tackle you Take Russell from Auburn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Russell's a really nimble athlete too.
Speaker 1: Saw him pick up a fumble in one of the
Speaker 1: games and and take off running with it, And I'm like, going,
Speaker 1: whoa three hundred nineteen pounds getting up the field like that.
Speaker 1: Where we where are we getting these guys? I mean
Speaker 1: you have him back to back, but where Yeah, four, five, six, six, Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's in the fifth probably that fifth, Yeah, paid
Speaker 1: it's in the range where it would be conceivable for
Speaker 1: this team to draft the nose. Yeah. Five at five
Speaker 1: one sixty five, we had a linebacker and he had
Speaker 1: Holcombe going there. Yeah, but I'll tell you what, I
Speaker 1: would rather have either one these guys, probably more than
Speaker 1: Kemiski at four one thirty six. Which one do you
Speaker 1: prefer between the two? Gimme Russell. Okay, I just saw
Speaker 1: a big mammoth man. I'm surprised to hear you say
Speaker 1: you'd rather have the trash can full of dirt than
Speaker 1: the pass rusher. I just kind of feel like, though,
Speaker 1: that they need three techniques, just no quick. The Russell kid,
Speaker 1: if I didn't see him, and I didn't see that,
Speaker 1: his masks makes him hard to block. They can't cut
Speaker 1: him off when he gets going, and they can't cut him.
Speaker 1: They can't do that. So give me Russell, give me,
Speaker 1: give me the tackle. All right? This is the best one.
Speaker 1: And yeah you alluded to it running back. Yeah, Oklahoma
Speaker 1: State's Justice hill A and M's tray ViOn Williams. I
Speaker 1: like this a lot. I don't think you can go wrong,
Speaker 1: to be honest, but I'm taking Justice hill I think why.
Speaker 1: I think he's more fun. He's more fun. I beg
Speaker 1: to differ there, Sir David, I watched seven over times
Speaker 1: or this kid that save kid killed us. If you're
Speaker 1: an LSU fan or State fans, he probably disagreed with
Speaker 1: what he with Trayvon Williams did those defenses. But Justice Hill,
Speaker 1: you get him, give him any type of space, he'll
Speaker 1: manipulate it. He'll I just think he's and I've got
Speaker 1: both these guys as three fours, as borderline top one
Speaker 1: hundred type guys. I just I'll take the athleticism of
Speaker 1: Justice Hill over Trey ViOn Williams, who I like, I
Speaker 1: just don't know, I don't love. I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: They're both explosive players, aren't they one tested like I'm
Speaker 1: explosive about? Yeah? How about that film though shade? Whoa mister,
Speaker 1: mister there aren't any good football programs in the Big twelve.
Speaker 1: How about the guy that set a school record in
Speaker 1: the SEC? How about the guy literally he was the
Speaker 1: best back in the SEC this year and that's a
Speaker 1: league that has been pumping out. Isn't that saying much? Though?
Speaker 1: Not that Nick was starting in the SEC. It's you
Speaker 1: don't throw shade at my friend. Okay. First of all.
Speaker 1: Second of all, you look at it, look at the
Speaker 1: backs that have come out of the SEC in recent years,
Speaker 1: and I mean, yeah, the talent this year's little down.
Speaker 1: But this one how many he had fifteen hundred yards
Speaker 1: in the SEC West and I've got him back to back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I've here's the most complete back between the two.
Speaker 1: If you're looking for more of a complete back, then yeah,
Speaker 1: Drayvill and Williams will give you that. Well, you're talking
Speaker 1: about one, doesn't you're looking for all I am because
Speaker 1: the other guy, the other guy who I I agree
Speaker 1: with you on Hill, But I see a guy that
Speaker 1: truly struggles as a pass protector. If you if that's what,
Speaker 1: if you're looking for a guy who's a better pass protector,
Speaker 1: complete guy, then sure I would understand Travillon Williams. I
Speaker 1: get that totally. Yeah, But if we're just talking, you know,
Speaker 1: if we're not talking in a vacuum and it's just
Speaker 1: who would you rather have? I think I could do
Speaker 1: more with Justice Hill. I could put more points on
Speaker 1: the board. We think we probably would have to draft
Speaker 1: either one at ninety right, Yeah, yeah, I mean, I
Speaker 1: honestly I think that's right where they should be. Late third,
Speaker 1: early fourth. I said a week ago, ninety felt rich.
Speaker 1: But either one of these guys, yeah, I'd be fine.
Speaker 1: I'd be happy with that there, ye happy he's happy.
Speaker 1: He might be a stretch, but I'd be fine satisfied. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Offensive tackle Alabama's Jonah Williams and Washington States Andre Dillard
Speaker 1: cream of the crop, two best tackles in this in
Speaker 1: this draft in my opinion, Yeah, that neither one of
Speaker 1: them are on the ground at all. No, Andre Dillard
Speaker 1: is just so special of an athlete. Give me the
Speaker 1: give me the aflete dealer be the first tackle taken easily. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he's He's got the best feat out of all
Speaker 1: of them. So yeah, there's no no question he could.
Speaker 1: But I think the what I saw the senior Bowl
Speaker 1: of the anchor issues gives me a little bit of
Speaker 1: pause with him. Sure, Jonah, when I saw a national
Speaker 1: title game against Clemson, he can struggle for got him
Speaker 1: a little bit. Jonah Williams, to me, is the top
Speaker 1: five player in this draft. Give me Joe Williams. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's not wrong, He's not wrong. He's just he's a
Speaker 1: technically sound player. He's instinctive. He masks his lack of
Speaker 1: length the same way Joe Thomas did ye first. So
Speaker 1: long with the Browns. I'm taking Joe Williams at worst.
Speaker 1: I've got an outstanding guard I think you can play
Speaker 1: tackle in the league. I would not usitate to draft
Speaker 1: him top five, top six in this draft. Do you
Speaker 1: think he can play tackle? Yes, I do. I think
Speaker 1: you played tackle, But like you don't know though, Like
Speaker 1: you just said, worst case scenario, you might play guard. Well, okay,
Speaker 1: that's worst case scenario. Yeah. I mean that's like say
Speaker 1: Jonathan worst case scenario, Jonathan Abram, worst case scenario. He
Speaker 1: can be an outstanding special teams player. I think that's
Speaker 1: a terrible that's a guy you're taking in the rust case,
Speaker 1: worst case, But I think he can be more than
Speaker 1: one day. You're gonna walk away from this and just
Speaker 1: be so happy, aren't you. No, I mean I don't
Speaker 1: have a crystal ball. I'm just giving you bestkas worst kids.
Speaker 1: Are they really close though? Are the two really close?
Speaker 1: You think? Yeah? Both? Okay, you can see Dillard going
Speaker 1: in the top ten, couldn't you? Why not? Yeah? And
Speaker 1: that's what I was thinking too. If you're gonna say,
Speaker 1: I mean, all right, Joey Williams is four, Andre Dillard's
Speaker 1: nine on my board. I didn't see that guy from
Speaker 1: UCLA going to the top ten last year. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just he shouldn't have gone where he did. And I
Speaker 1: hate to make this comparison. It's unfair to anybody, but
Speaker 1: like I've spent too much time watching Tyrant Smith. So
Speaker 1: if you can, and I'm not I'm not trying to
Speaker 1: make that comparison. But the athleticism, like, if you can,
Speaker 1: if you're a freaky athlete at that position, I'm very intrigued.
Speaker 1: You have to be strong too. And that's where Andre
Speaker 1: Dillard just worries me a little bit because again, we
Speaker 1: saw the senior ball get rocked by but did you
Speaker 1: watch Williams gets rocked in the Clemson game. He does
Speaker 1: he struggles with when long guys gett to his chest,
Speaker 1: he can struggle a little bit. Question. All right, boys, Hey,
Speaker 1: thank you so much again, Thank you for everybody who's
Speaker 1: hanging out with us today. Again, fourteen more days until
Speaker 1: we get into the NFL Draft. So we've got several
Speaker 1: shows still planned for you guys. We've got one again
Speaker 1: next Thursday, and then we're gonna do two shows draft week.
Speaker 1: One on Tuesday, we'll do a full mock draft and
Speaker 1: then we'll then we'll kind of have a little bit
Speaker 1: preview show of draft from the on draft day. So
Speaker 1: again for my buddies, David Hellman, for Dane Burglar, can't
Speaker 1: get signed, Brian Brass. Thanks again to everybody out there
Speaker 1: hanging with us across the country and around the world.
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week for the Draft Show.