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Speaker 1: Brand goes respond to the bar now, he he goes, Okay,

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Speaker 1: bart al and it's and it never occurred to me

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Speaker 1: at what I thought? I told Brent this yesterday. I

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Speaker 1: was like, man, they got bared hols in Canada and

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Speaker 1: they're over there trying to They're just trying to flag

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Speaker 1: me down. Finally Gary walks over to me and he's like, Clay,

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Speaker 1: did you not hear us? Did that? Here's Alan pressure Colin.

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Speaker 1: It was just like, why didn't you hear? And then

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Speaker 1: It was like he was getting mad at me for

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Speaker 1: not being a walk but I was in a wheelchair.

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Speaker 1: My name is Clay Nucleman. I'm the host of the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I'll also be your host into

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Speaker 1: the world of hunting the Icon and North American wilderness.

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Speaker 1: There we'll talk about tactics, gear, conservation, but will also

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Speaker 1: bring you into some of the wildest country on the

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Speaker 1: planet chasing. British Columbia is an incredible place to hunt

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Speaker 1: black bear. In May of nineteen just recently, we were

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Speaker 1: in British Columbia at the camp of Jeff Lander and

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Speaker 1: Primitive Outfitting. In this conversation, Jeff and I are joined

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Speaker 1: by Jeff's longtime friend and got Gary Hillshirt. Gary is

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Speaker 1: a veteran mountain hunter. He's had a lot of experience

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Speaker 1: hunting both black and grizzly bears, and Jeff is a

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Speaker 1: longtime outfitter and veteran northern hunter, and Jeff has had

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Speaker 1: some incredible experiences with black and grizzly bears. On this podcast,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about stock and bears. So this is

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Speaker 1: a spotting stock hunt that we're on and there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of misconceptions about stock and bears, basically that it's easy,

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Speaker 1: and we go through many examples of things that happened

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Speaker 1: and so we're gonna talk about this specifics of stalking

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Speaker 1: conflicts that these guys have been just an arms reach

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Speaker 1: away from in British Columbia with a black bear, malley

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Speaker 1: and some grizzlies stuff. So you're gonna enjoy this podcast

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Speaker 1: with Jeff and Gary and British Columbia. Welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. We are in the wild places

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Speaker 1: of British Columbia, Canada. I cannot give specific details where

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Speaker 1: Lander and Primitive Outfitting British Columbia. We're here this week

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Speaker 1: hunting the giant black bears of the far North. Um.

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Speaker 1: So I have his guest today, Jeff Lander and his

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Speaker 1: Gary Jeff, but Gary Hillsher but Jeff before we'll introduce

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Speaker 1: Gary first. Well, Gary and I have been guiding together

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Speaker 1: believe we've been married for this long, I know, No,

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Speaker 1: Gary and I have. Yeah, we've done done a lot

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Speaker 1: Stalking bears? So uh, for people that listen to this

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Speaker 1: timber like they do, kind of just tiptoe and off.

426
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:56,200
Speaker 1: I was shocked, And I think you were too, Gary,

427
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,160
Speaker 1: weren't you. Yeah, I'm not what I was for sure.

428
00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: I mean it didn't even it just it broke the

429
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 1: stereotype of what you typically think about bears. But I

430
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 1: think the reason for that was too is as uh

431
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: as we're discussing this, is that there's there was so

432
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: many bears, well not so many, but three bears there

433
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:13,639
Speaker 1: and that bigger boar being down the field, which we

434
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,360
Speaker 1: eventually went after. Um, they're a little more on edge

435
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,760
Speaker 1: when you have that many bears around. Um yeah, usually

436
00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 1: it's not quite that difficulty. No, they've been seeing us.

437
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,600
Speaker 1: It seems like this year or more whatever it made

438
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,960
Speaker 1: us because it's so concentrated. As far as the food,

439
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 1: it's so concentrated. There's I mean, who knows what we're

440
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: not seeing, you know, so they're probably so Yeah. So

441
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 1: there's a lot of snow up in the high country,

442
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: right and that we had a long winter. Yeah, yeah,

443
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: we had a long winter, and I think, um war

444
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: as we could probably be hunting a little bit higher

445
00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: right now, and not just the way the years go, right. Um,

446
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: you know, any bear that salad is probably down either

447
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,879
Speaker 1: along the railway tracks feeding or in these abandoned farm

448
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,720
Speaker 1: fields or along the old logging roads, which is basically

449
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: right out down here, right. We've already driven up wants

450
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: to check things out and U um yeah, and we're

451
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: just snowed in up top right now. And if you

452
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:08,680
Speaker 1: were not that snowed in right So, Um, just a

453
00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:11,040
Speaker 1: lot more bears concentrated, and I'm for sure that's what

454
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:13,119
Speaker 1: making am a little more jiggier on the edge, right,

455
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,040
Speaker 1: and we've already seen him. So that just shows you

456
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,600
Speaker 1: that there's all these factors inside of inside of hunting

457
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,959
Speaker 1: these bears that maybe you wouldn't necessarily think about. I mean,

458
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: like the fact that these bears are concentrated, it's gonna

459
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 1: make them more more skittish out of humans, but of bears.

460
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,920
Speaker 1: And like that bear when he saw that, the first

461
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: bear hundred twenty yards away, I mean, I don't he

462
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 1: probably didn't think we were humans. Maybe he did. He

463
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 1: just saw something that wouldn't have elk standing on the

464
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: edge of a field, kind of a blob. It was

465
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,359
Speaker 1: just like m hmm, maybe that's you know, maybe I

466
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 1: thought we were grizzly. I don't know, but he moved off.

467
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: Let me take the conversation here to just for people

468
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 1: that maybe I don't know a lot about bears, or

469
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 1: or maybe they do. But bear eyesight, they say it

470
00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:07,920
Speaker 1: is really equivalent to ours. They see color. You know,

471
00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: Ungulus don't see color. Bears see color because from a

472
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: biological perspective, they've got to be able to tell the

473
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 1: difference between a ripe berry and an unripe berry. That's

474
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: the way I've heard it described. I mean, you know,

475
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: like they need that color differentiation to be able to

476
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: pick their food. I mean that's probably the only reason.

477
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: But bears sea color pretty much equivalent to us. Their

478
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 1: eyesight is uh a lot like ours binocular vision. Um,

479
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: they even have depth perception like ours. But because they're

480
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: not a prey animal and they don't have that really

481
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: heightened flight response to danger like a deer. A lot

482
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: of times people perceive bears is having bad eyesight, which

483
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: really a lot of times they just don't care. Like

484
00:26:57,880 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 1: I think that's the thing. Like a lot of times

485
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,600
Speaker 1: a bear he probably sees you or perceives that something

486
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: is over there, but he just doesn't care. And so

487
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: people go, well, bears are half blind, but they're really

488
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: not blind. So in a situation like this where the

489
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 1: bears are heightened because of gre is because a lot

490
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: of black bear, then all of a sudden, I mean

491
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: what we're seeing is they see just fine. Any thoughts

492
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,399
Speaker 1: on that yet? No, I agree with you. Yeah, they do.

493
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 1: They see Uh yeah, I think they see as well

494
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: as we do for sure. Um. And that's a good

495
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: good way to put it. I mean what you just

496
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: said there, I mean is kind of new to I

497
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:42,239
Speaker 1: haven't heard it that way, you know, as far as uh, um,

498
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,879
Speaker 1: color and and and yeah that's interesting. Um, but no

499
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 1: they see and I think you're right they don't. Sometimes

500
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 1: they just don't care, you know, the bigger ones don't.

501
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Except for the one last night he did care. Yeah,

502
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: it as close. Um yeah, yeah, So I mean this

503
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: time of year, you're you know, we're just dealing with

504
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,320
Speaker 1: him coming out. I mean last week I literally was

505
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: seeing bears that could not stand for more. In about

506
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: thirty seconds, they laid down, drooling. They just came out

507
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: of the den. Every bear that we've shot so far

508
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: has hair between his toes and his claws. You know,

509
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,840
Speaker 1: he has been walking along at least on anything hard. Um.

510
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's a it's it's a rifle rifle hunter's

511
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: dream here, a stick bows nightmare. But when you get

512
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: it done with a stick, it's you know, like we

513
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: had a young guy shoot one here a couple of

514
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,520
Speaker 1: nights ago at twelve yards. You know, that bear never

515
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:51,440
Speaker 1: looked up feeding walked right into him. So each bear

516
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 1: is different, and when it comes together, it's pretty pretty

517
00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: awesome because they're up close and personal and and uh

518
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: if they want, they can bat you around pretty quickly. Well, Jeff,

519
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: tell us the story about the bear you encountered last night. Yeah,

520
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: I just in another another area, another zone from um,

521
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: we have the guy's covered, So I'm just you know,

522
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: when the hunters covered here, because we killed out two

523
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: bears on Sunday night. So just be checking out another

524
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: zone with with Dave, my friend Dave from Alaska. And yeah,

525
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: he just he was just a really big black bear

526
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:36,440
Speaker 1: and he uh, it was raining and came through that

527
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: stretch and there was a big fresh pile. I hain't

528
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: been anything there the last couple of days. Big fresh

529
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: pile went up and hung out until the rain let

530
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 1: off and came back. So he's probably a hundred yards

531
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 1: and I at first I thought he was a grizzly

532
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: m because he just had a big hump on him.

533
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: But he was black, and no, I just yeah, it

534
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: worked out. You rushed in. I'm just like you said,

535
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: you you saw him he ran yeah, yeah, and closed

536
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: the distance to fifty Yeah, he was he had his

537
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,160
Speaker 1: head away from me and he was kind of over

538
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 1: the edge a little bit, and so I was able

539
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: to move close one spot where he was probably twenty

540
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,440
Speaker 1: five yards and I had to get around this willow

541
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: and risk it when he had heads down, which I

542
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 1: got around him and got to eighteen. But he's over

543
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: the edge and I could just see the top of

544
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,920
Speaker 1: his back and maybe four inches from the top. No

545
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 1: shot and then uh and then at that point I

546
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: realized that he was he was. He was really big.

547
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: And then I had my bow up. I had to

548
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 1: take one step up to get the shot to get clear,

549
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 1: and he just turned and looked and saw me and

550
00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: he scdaddled very quickly, so he just bolted. Oh my gosh.

551
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 1: He did not know what I was. The wind was good,

552
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:52,479
Speaker 1: no idea, just knew something was there real close to him.

553
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,040
Speaker 1: And thankfully he ran the other way and it was

554
00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: all down willows and like a beaver pond. And as

555
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: he's on in a way, I just like, wow, that

556
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 1: that is a giant, you know. Yeah. I mean he

557
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: couldn't move very fast like some of these younger bears.

558
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: They can haul, you know, they can grip and go,

559
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: but he was struggling to get across here. So that

560
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: was great. Spooked to him out of there. But he

561
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: didn't know what I was, and there's not much green

562
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: over there. Um, yeah, it's just and that's the first

563
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: stock I've had myself, well second in eight years, you know.

564
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: I mean I see a lot of these things. We

565
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: stuck a lot, and we we shoot a lot of

566
00:31:32,960 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: them and never had much of a desire because I've

567
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 1: ship shot quite a few of them with my stickboat,

568
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: but kind of got the fire. It's it's cool being

569
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: close to these and these things or majestic animals in

570
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: the world they live in every day, you know. And

571
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: I stopped doing two bears killing two bears because a

572
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: lot of folks would kill one. They just want to

573
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: kill another one, not taking into account what that bear

574
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: has gone through. The spect factor was not there. I

575
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: mean not with every guy. I'm not saying every guy's

576
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,680
Speaker 1: like that or a person is like that, but they're

577
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: not they they're not everywhere. And to get that size,

578
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: like what Frank shot the other night, you know, that's

579
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: probably I don't know, I'd say seven eight year old bear,

580
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:19,240
Speaker 1: maybe younger. He was young, but some of the big

581
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: big bears were killing or in that ten year and older,

582
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,719
Speaker 1: and uh, you got to give him respect. I mean

583
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: they what they I mean, they're getting dragged out of

584
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: their dens by wolves in the winter. It's known thing.

585
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: Mostly the young bears. They're find a lot of you know,

586
00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: bear claws and the wolf's cat. We got a lot

587
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: of wolves around here, and you know, it's mandatory that

588
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: every one of my hunters has a wolf tag because

589
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: we're killing them if we can. And we go very often.

590
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,560
Speaker 1: I've seen two this last week, but usually we can

591
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: go season and not but that chance of for fifty

592
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 1: bucks a wolf stands out there. Even it's the bow hunters.

593
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: There's no messing around with the bow. It's like you

594
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,800
Speaker 1: grab your guys going and you shoot. And we've had

595
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: them shot guys life size and which is hilarious because

596
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: their hides are brutal. I mean, but you know, we

597
00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 1: take it for granted up here, but a lot of

598
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: people can't shoot wolves, and a lot of people in

599
00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 1: the West don't like wolves. I mean, they're part of

600
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 1: the Canadian experience, just as important as anything else, you know.

601
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,400
Speaker 1: I don't think, let me think about this before I

602
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 1: say it. I'm pretty sure that I have never seen

603
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: a wolf in Canada. All that I mean, I've hunted

604
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,600
Speaker 1: a lot in Canada. I do not think i've ever

605
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,960
Speaker 1: seen a wolf limonas in Canada. The only wolf I

606
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,479
Speaker 1: seene was in Ottaho. That just shows you how elusive

607
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: they are because they're everywhere. Oh yeah, but there, you know,

608
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: besides the mature board grizzly, they are the smartest critter

609
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 1: out there. Yeah, they have to be. Are they smarter

610
00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: in a wild hog? Jeff? Everybody talking about how smart

611
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 1: or smart wild I would attest the fact that wild

612
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: big boar hogs are very smart because they elude me

613
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 1: big time or smell me. So but yeah, I think

614
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 1: so they probably they are. They are m m well.

615
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,919
Speaker 1: And and then so you said they're evading to get

616
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 1: to that ten year old range. They've they've evaded wolves,

617
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: they've evaded predation by black bears. They've also avoided getting

618
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: killed by a grizzly, which probably would be I mean,

619
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: grizzlies aren't like seeking out black bears to kill them,

620
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: but they would. I mean, the opportunistic omnivores, they would.

621
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: They'd kill a cub if they could in a heartbeat.

622
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: And then conflicts inside of feeding and stuff. I'm sure

623
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: there's black bear fatalities by grizzlies probably fairly common, And

624
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: I bet you vice versa. You think some of the

625
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: black bears get the griz of a grizzly running from

626
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 1: a big black bear. Really, yeah, So I think in

627
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: a lot of these big mature for black bears are

628
00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: tore up like they've gotta be fighters to live. So

629
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: I think I don't think these these big bore black

630
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 1: bears are running from grizzlies. I think they hold their

631
00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 1: own I really do. Yeah, And I used to think

632
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: that they wouldn't be in the same vicinity, but then

633
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: I've seen them many times. You know, elk here, grizzly here,

634
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:25,280
Speaker 1: black bear here, guy shoots black bear, the other two runaway. Whatever.

635
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 1: But um, Gary tell us about the We talked about

636
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 1: this a lot this week, Jeff, uh the the common

637
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: theme that you hear from outfitters and stuff. Yeah, I

638
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 1: mean even a lot of the old school outfitters that

639
00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: are like are amazing. I mean, growing up and not

640
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: knowing so much about this stuff, I'd always hear all,

641
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: if you're seeing grizzlies, are not gonna see blocks and all.

642
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,520
Speaker 1: My goodness, I mean, at least in this area. That's

643
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 1: been including in my own hunting career when I used

644
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,800
Speaker 1: to grizzle beer hunt as a kid. Um that was

645
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: proven so wrong. I've been on avalone shoots and seeing

646
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: you know, um, three black bears, four black bears out

647
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 1: there feeding in a big giant Grizzli and don't get

648
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: me wrong, are all aware of each other and they

649
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,640
Speaker 1: give each other space, but they're out. I mean, that's

650
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 1: the only green in the country. And uh, it's not

651
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: like the grizzlies pushing off the block service first. And

652
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: we got video here over the years. Actually here has

653
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: proved it anywhere else. Um in one of the areas

654
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 1: we we hunt where Jeff was saying earlier, and that's

655
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: not the only experience where um, this boar, I mean,

656
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: this grizzlies out and it's not a big grizz but

657
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: that's not the point. It's still a three four year

658
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: old grizzly bear. And you know those black bear walks

659
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: out and puts a run on it. Now once they

660
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,400
Speaker 1: kind of sniffed each other out. Because the people that

661
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: were there with us had an amazing evening. The grizzly

662
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 1: came back out no different. When we were hiking out

663
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 1: last night, we actually saw an other bear that we

664
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: wanted to stalk. Two nights ago, I'm closer to my

665
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: truck there right, And it was the bigger bear. It

666
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 1: wasn't you know, a shooter, we thought, and and uh

667
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:44,799
Speaker 1: and also the smaller bear comes out and they didn't

668
00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: see each other, but they definitely winded each other pretty quick,

669
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: and that smaller bear put a round on the bigger

670
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: bear and then they kind of tried to figure things out. So, um,

671
00:36:52,520 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: it's amazing how I don't know why that's such. That's

672
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 1: one of those wives kills. I mean, the first thing,

673
00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: the first day we were here, we saw that disproved

674
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 1: because we well, over the course of two days we

675
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,400
Speaker 1: saw that big sal grizz with the two cubs, the

676
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,359
Speaker 1: tasty freeze as they call it. And then the very

677
00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,000
Speaker 1: next day and the I mean probably within thirty feet

678
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: of where that grizz was there was a sound. But

679
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: then we went just a hundred yards on the rod

680
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: and there was another grizzly with a club right there

681
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,399
Speaker 1: and so there and they knew each other, was there

682
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,200
Speaker 1: for sure, you know, yet they're they're feeding around, so like, yeah, um,

683
00:37:25,719 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 1: that's definitely one of those things that's a misconception. You

684
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: know that abot grizzly bears around there's no block bears around.

685
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 1: But the whole grizzly thing adds a dimension of this

686
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: hunt that, uh, I would have only experienced in Alaska,

687
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 1: you know. I mean in Alaska you're constantly aware of grizzlies,

688
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 1: you know, and wouldn't carry handguns in Alaska. So I

689
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 1: remember Jeff on the hunt of Alaska. One time I

690
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: went on a hunt and I just left my my

691
00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: pistol at home or at at the tent on accident,

692
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: and man, I was like paranoid. That whole hunt here

693
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: we can't carry because we're in Canada. Um. But the

694
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:10,399
Speaker 1: grizz adds just a super cool dimension to this hunt.

695
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: And talking about stalking black bears, um twice. Now, we've

696
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: been hunting this big field that you guys have said

697
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: it is typically holding a big grizz and I'm over

698
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:26,279
Speaker 1: there bear crawling to stalk on these bears for like

699
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: a hundred fifty yards. I'm on my hands and knees,

700
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: you know, with the tread bow in one hand, and

701
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,240
Speaker 1: I'm thinking what am I gonna do? And I slip

702
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,360
Speaker 1: up on Mama grizz about fifteen yards away when she

703
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: steps out into the field, and uh it adds a dimension.

704
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 1: It's a whole dimension to the even a stock, because

705
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:49,640
Speaker 1: the idea of the stock is that you're slipping along quiet.

706
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:51,879
Speaker 1: When you're a grizzly bear country and you're a hiker,

707
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: they're like, we're bells on your shoes, you know, like

708
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: make noise, let them know you're there. When you're stalking,

709
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 1: you're not making any noise. Now, Gary is like he

710
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,840
Speaker 1: doesn't pay much attention to him or Jeff, are you

711
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 1: paranoid at all about grizzlies. That's that's the wrong word.

712
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 1: I think you have to be. Yeah, you know, I

713
00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: bought these uh these e bikes, these Trek e bikes

714
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: us last year. They were new last year, and I

715
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: honestly have changed my tune on those on some of

716
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:28,280
Speaker 1: the places we hunt, because you know, it's curvy, it's rolling,

717
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: you've got log box, and you know you can be

718
00:39:30,560 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: on something very very quickly, which we did last year

719
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,680
Speaker 1: on a couple you know, four year olds. But you

720
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:41,439
Speaker 1: gotta get him a healthy Uh Yeah. So you're saying

721
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 1: you could be cruising along not making making very little

722
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: noise on that e bike. Come around a log pile

723
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 1: and there's a grizz there and bam, he just yeah.

724
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: I mean the big boards probably not. They wrote up

725
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: on when last week at thirty yards or thirty five

726
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: yards where you were hunting, past where you were at

727
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: up More fields. I mean he was in the ditch.

728
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: All he saw it was his home. He just lifted

729
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: his head and stared at him. And this is my

730
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:07,840
Speaker 1: other guy, Ryan and his hunters, they just kind of

731
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: I want Tom quickly turned around got out of there.

732
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 1: But the other to just if that was a sow

733
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 1: with young cups, likely you're going to have an encounter

734
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 1: very quickly. So, um, I think it makes you better hunter.

735
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: I think you're more aware. I know as a guy,

736
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm way more aware. Um. Even Gary this started carrying

737
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: his gun everywhere most places. Gary doesn't really you know,

738
00:40:34,520 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 1: he figures that nothing's going to happen, and you know

739
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: it's not. Is a self medic. So we need to

740
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: hear a few stories about that too. Well, we got

741
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: a lot of Gary stories, but that's for another podcast. No, yeah,

742
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: you gotta have a healthy respect for him. You know,

743
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: I got a mid I'm one of those guys just

744
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: take it for granted and it's just not cool. I

745
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 1: have been charged a few times to um to basically

746
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:00,759
Speaker 1: point blank range, you know, And and again I got

747
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: a mit. Back then I kind of thought it was

748
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: a joke. But let's just face it, there's there's human

749
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: lives here involved. There's families, there's kids, and over the

750
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: years I'm in in the community, I'm not referring to

751
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: hear right here, but um, we've lost acquaintances, right and

752
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: the pre uh percussions of that just right down through

753
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,800
Speaker 1: I'm like a gain family, children, wives, et cetera. Is

754
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 1: huge And for whatever ridiculous reason, you know, I just

755
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 1: never thought that way. Um. You know, I've been charged

756
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: off of a moose kill, not only that that moose

757
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,320
Speaker 1: is dead, on a totally different hunt with with a

758
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:32,400
Speaker 1: grizzly bear hunter just going into set up for the evening,

759
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: and and umm, it is not at all referring to

760
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: what most clients will or will not do. But as

761
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,799
Speaker 1: arrogant this may sound, I got to realize, I don't

762
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: know you, and you could be the world's greatest hunter,

763
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 1: but I gotta still taking consideration that I don't know

764
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 1: your reaction to a charge down to maybe ten fifteen

765
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: five yards And in a few times that I have

766
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: been point blank charge. I'm not about bluff charge. You

767
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: learned to read that over the years. But a few

768
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:01,840
Speaker 1: times I've been point blank chard arched. Um, my hunters

769
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: have lost it. And these are good guys, these are

770
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,000
Speaker 1: good human beings, you know what I mean, I mean,

771
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 1: absolutely lost it. And then um, and I've given me

772
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: the gears like why didn't you shoot? And I'm like, well,

773
00:42:11,520 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: there's so much a goal through a guide said, we

774
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 1: gotta learn a really really respect each other. Like you know,

775
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: I gotta put myself in your shoes where you're coming from,

776
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: and and the and the clients gotta put themselves in

777
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: the guide shoes. Well, first of all, you're paying X

778
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 1: amount of dollars back when it was open for this

779
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: hot I don't want to shoot because if I shoot, um,

780
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:28,680
Speaker 1: this almost through your head. And you know what a

781
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: second right. But again, my hunters and in the times

782
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,120
Speaker 1: I've been charged, have lost it. And in hindsight, Um, regardless, Um,

783
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 1: you know how strict they are, which is whatever it is.

784
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 1: You know, the laws here in BC right now with

785
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: grizzy bear hunting be shut down. Um, human life is

786
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 1: far more important than any animal life, any animal for

787
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:49,839
Speaker 1: that matter, And I should have shot, I should have shot.

788
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 1: I didn't. Nothing happened. But uh, it's gotta be going

789
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: through your head too now, even more so than before

790
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 1: that man, you shoot a guzly where you got a

791
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: pretty tough road to the government. That is that true? Yeah, there,

792
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: it's like a murder investigation. Wow, you know, but I've

793
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: instructed my guys that, you know, if if, if it's

794
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: a serious charge, like Schneider and Brian Call had a

795
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: charge two years ago on a moose hunt, and I

796
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: think they should have killed that because the way he

797
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: was looking, he was not afraid of I'll deal with

798
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,840
Speaker 1: the government whatever. But life is, you know, to be

799
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,640
Speaker 1: afraid of losing or for me losing my license, or

800
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 1: these guys losing their privileges to guide, because if you

801
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 1: shoot a bear in that split second of not you know,

802
00:43:40,160 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: if you don't and he's on you, Um, it's it's ugly, right.

803
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: But yet these black bears could kick your tail as

804
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: quickly as any griz as I can. And it's amazing

805
00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: how the heart rate is different from a big black

806
00:43:56,680 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 1: bear versus a big grizzly, yet the consequences could be

807
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: the same. That crossed my mind last night. Yeah, you know,

808
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: daves and it's raining. He can't even see me, and

809
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: I'm just standing there looking at you know. I mean

810
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 1: if that thing said, I mean, yeah, the most predatory

811
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 1: black bear predatory black bear encounters or or situations probably

812
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: have been in BC. Mm hmm probably. I mean I'm

813
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: kind of shooting off the hip there. Well, I mean

814
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,920
Speaker 1: we had we had one, you know, yeah, do you

815
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: want to tell us about that? I mean, it's just yeah,

816
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: he Uh, these guys are residents. I've known him for

817
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,840
Speaker 1: a long time and we're moose hunting. I had clients

818
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 1: in and we're way down on in my area of

819
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: very remote we have we won't get there. We can't

820
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 1: get there now because of the snow. But he they've

821
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: been down there eighteen years and they've always had bears

822
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:51,479
Speaker 1: that would come in and around because it's their camp.

823
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: But so my moose hunters left on a Wednesday. We

824
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,719
Speaker 1: killed a big ball. Some mistakes were made, no doubt.

825
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: I was concerned, um, without the you know a little.

826
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: I was concerned about the scent and garbage control. The

827
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: moose was dragged right into camp four wheelers. You know,

828
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: there's just a lot of things adding up to it,

829
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:16,880
Speaker 1: and I had a young couple in the gal was

830
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 1: the age of my daughters or my oldest daughter anyway,

831
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: so I wanted to get her out of there. I

832
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: just had a bad feeling, and so I said, you know,

833
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna butcher this moose and I'm gonna take my

834
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:30,000
Speaker 1: truck down park it, which we did. So I got

835
00:45:30,080 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: her out of there, got her down here, and her

836
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,240
Speaker 1: husband's stayed for another day or two. Anyway, they left

837
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, Tuesday. My two guides took their sons

838
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,680
Speaker 1: out and they killed a bull themselves. They had to

839
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 1: draw tag as residents, and then they took that back home.

840
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 1: Didn't come back there as it came back Friday, and

841
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 1: their pelican cooler was out in this common area. So

842
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: you had cooked tent and two sleeping tents. They're all

843
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: five ft ten ft apart from each other. And the

844
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: pelican was pulled out with a big tooth mark in it.

845
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. So they pulled it back in and and uh,

846
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: I went to bed. Paul, Paul and Dave great guys,

847
00:46:14,320 --> 00:46:16,440
Speaker 1: great guys. But anyway, so Paul heard something in the

848
00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:19,399
Speaker 1: cook tent. He said, Hey, Dave, I think there's a bear.

849
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: And before he even got in the cook tent, that

850
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: bear was through the wall tent. That was well with

851
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: most wall tents after the first year. The zipper doesn't

852
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:30,120
Speaker 1: work me, it's just notorious. They don't. So it flew in,

853
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: hit him on his cot, started his feet ripped and

854
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 1: just to clarify, this is a black bear, three pound bore,

855
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: black bear, well fit. This isn't the grids. He's predatory,

856
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: this guy. And so he ripped his calf off his

857
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 1: leg like literally bit tore this guy's on his cot. Yeah,

858
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: did he even have a chance to get up, No,

859
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: he's asleep. Basically he was still awake. Everyone else's asleep.

860
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: Did they have guns close by? Yeah, it didn't matter.

861
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: He was on him. And then so we've got to

862
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:05,200
Speaker 1: realize the seventeen year old son was in there. Dave's

863
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: eighteen year old son was in there in each corner

864
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: of this huge it's about the size of different different different, yeah, different,

865
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: Dave and uh, yeah, So he grabbed him and then

866
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: he just kind of worked his way up rips cat.

867
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: He's screaming now and uh and and moved up to

868
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,440
Speaker 1: his legs, was biting and he had a bunch of

869
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: puncture wounds in his thigh and then a big tear

870
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: across his chest. I mean, you couldn't have a more

871
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: perfect tattoo. I mean, it's this thing is awesome. I

872
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 1: mean five right across, and so Dave wakes up, grabs

873
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: his gun. I don't know if I don't think it

874
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:52,320
Speaker 1: was loaded. This is all happening. The boy's reaction were different.

875
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 1: The one thought it was a dream and just pulled

876
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: his sleep bag over his head and was trying to

877
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: wake up. And the other kid was, you know whatever,

878
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: was waking up and watching. Anyway, So Dave shot the bear.

879
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 1: The bears on top of Paul. Paul's bear hugging it,

880
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: trying to push it off. So the bullet went through

881
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: the bear and took his elbow out. So now he's

882
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: dropping the f bombs. You you blew my f and

883
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,319
Speaker 1: elbow off, And meanwhile the bear is going to town

884
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,600
Speaker 1: right hits him again, and then the bear gets off.

885
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: He gets off. Paul goes to the corner, goes underneath

886
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,799
Speaker 1: the kids caught. He's trying to get out now out

887
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,879
Speaker 1: of the tent, goes along the back side of the wall.

888
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: Tent knocks the woodstove over, so now we got smoke billowing.

889
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: He jumps on top of the other kid in his cot.

890
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: He's under sleep bag, it's on top. He's trying to

891
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:49,880
Speaker 1: get out. And then he goes out of the corner

892
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,880
Speaker 1: and then exits, goes to the other tent where there

893
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: was two guys, walks in. Does you turn watks back out?

894
00:48:56,239 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: The bears have been shot twice. Believe it's twice? Want to?

895
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: I think it was twice. And then Dave now is

896
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: out in that little a little common area and the

897
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 1: bears wheezing and you know what I mean, he's his

898
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,399
Speaker 1: lungs are filling. He goes back into the original tent.

899
00:49:13,640 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: The eighteen year old boy had a defender shot again.

900
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 1: The guy who was attacked is telling him how to

901
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:22,880
Speaker 1: load it, how to jack it in, and you know,

902
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: shoot it. I mean, as he's tore up and so boom,

903
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: he shoots a bear. Bear drops right next to the

904
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: bears a five gallon propane tank. Mhm, I have the picture.

905
00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,439
Speaker 1: I'll show it. It's insane. And then the bear died,

906
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 1: and then I had then and it was years ago,

907
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,239
Speaker 1: and that was it was a two hour I don't

908
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,160
Speaker 1: have to drive out of there. In course, they got

909
00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: Global Star, which sucks compared to Ridium, so they can't

910
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: get out. They can't get a signal. So Dave throws

911
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: Paul in his truck and he tells the two his

912
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: two friends, and then the two boys keep calling, keep

913
00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 1: calling until you get through, telling to meet us. Met

914
00:50:02,920 --> 00:50:05,040
Speaker 1: him down kind of by those log box over here

915
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the main logging road. That's where

916
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: the ambulance was. I'm in Calgary because I'm starting MULED here.

917
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:15,080
Speaker 1: I'm waiting for landing to fly in from Arkansas. I

918
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: got a call from Jared wilkeson good friend of mine.

919
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: He's with BC Wildlife Federation. He goes, did you hear

920
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,919
Speaker 1: about the attack on the river, And immediately I'm just like, oh,

921
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,319
Speaker 1: because no one's down there. Did I just say the river?

922
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: I did, didn't I? Anyway? Whatever, it's a big, big area,

923
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: so yeah. So I called him and he uh, the

924
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: phone answered, but no one said hello. I could just

925
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: hear him telling the doctor do not amputate my arm.

926
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,319
Speaker 1: I had quick Copenhagen two years before. I drove straight

927
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,399
Speaker 1: to seven leven about two cans. I just sat there.

928
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: Might have bad bottle, bottle of whiskey. I don't even know.

929
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 1: It was pretty pretty pretty crazy and it changed this

930
00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:59,480
Speaker 1: guy's life, like I said, when I used to take

931
00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:01,520
Speaker 1: this first ground at it, you know, and and like

932
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: and I don't know more. I just want to state

933
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 1: that that uh um, you know, his whole life has

934
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,840
Speaker 1: been changed, right as he machinists by trade or what

935
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 1: was he again? It works at the lumber yard and

936
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: you know he I mean, he couldn't do his job,

937
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: and he's gone through X amount of um plastic surgery

938
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: or a reconstructive surgery and rehab and and and that

939
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:21,400
Speaker 1: kind of stuff, you know, and so um, it's not

940
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:23,320
Speaker 1: a joke, you know, that said. I just want to

941
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: stay too though, like you know, as they give crazy

942
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: stats about everything nowadays, he had a better chance of

943
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 1: being struck by lightning to be attacked by a bear.

944
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:34,319
Speaker 1: But for whatever, you know, you still gotta respect him,

945
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: Like I don't want to put a fear in people's

946
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: hearts that you know, every bear we see here is

947
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 1: gonna come out. You know, I've never had to pull

948
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: the trigger yet on a bear, right, so I mean

949
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:44,560
Speaker 1: on being charged or bluff charged or whatever. And uh,

950
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 1: but it can happen. To add this back into stock

951
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:50,600
Speaker 1: on bears, though you're exactly right about the statistic that

952
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: you know, you'd be, you'd be higher probability to be

953
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: instruct my lightning, but his bear hunters we are in

954
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: a whole other category. I mean, that's a statistic of

955
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 1: all people on the planet. I mean typically. I had

956
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: a buddy tell me that twenty one year old kid,

957
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: good friend of mine, and we were talking about bear

958
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,040
Speaker 1: tax or something, and I was like, I was kind

959
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: of the same way, just like, I mean, it didn't

960
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,000
Speaker 1: even cross my mind. And he said, Clay, do you

961
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: realize that you, of all people, probably have you know,

962
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: higher odds have been attacked by a bear just because

963
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,319
Speaker 1: of you're around it. How many times you're hunting them

964
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: off the ground? Was you know? And I was like,

965
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,479
Speaker 1: you know, you're probably right, But now you're right though, Gary,

966
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:32,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no reason to fear them, but massive

967
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: reason to respect them. We'll put massive. Yeah, we're much

968
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,919
Speaker 1: higher odds than people living in downtown Vancouver. Yeah, it'll

969
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: never happen there, so yeah, I know, I mean, yeah,

970
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: I keep Yeah, Atlantic gets mad at me. I said,

971
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 1: that's probably how it's gonna be That's how you're gonna go.

972
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,279
Speaker 1: Probably gonna be a grizzly and it's gonna be you know,

973
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:53,920
Speaker 1: I won't be paying attention. I hope not. I'm pretty

974
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,440
Speaker 1: aware what's going on. You know, we'll see hundreds and

975
00:52:56,520 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 1: hundreds between jeff I and Ryan by the time this,

976
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, our our five six weeks is done here,

977
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 1: you know. Um yeah, we'll see a lot a lot

978
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 1: of bears and you're tracking I mean bears, and it's

979
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,279
Speaker 1: just part of the game, you know. I've I've said

980
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: before that probably the most dangerous thing that we do

981
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: as bear hunters, as tracking bears. I mean, I've never

982
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 1: once had a close encounter with a wounded bear, but

983
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 1: that's probably the most vulnerable situation because you are a

984
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: little bit out of your element. You've already killed an animal,

985
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,000
Speaker 1: and so you're not in sneak mode anymore. You're halfway

986
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,920
Speaker 1: celebrating because you've you feel like you've taken an animal.

987
00:53:36,200 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: I mean, most of the time you're tracking anim what

988
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:38,959
Speaker 1: do you think you're gonna find it? And it's gonna

989
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 1: be dead, and so you know, you're you're in a

990
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: different mode than before the kill, and uh yeah, I've

991
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: thought about that more and more as I've as I've

992
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,320
Speaker 1: hunted more and more. It's like, if there was a

993
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: place where you probably had higher odds of taking a

994
00:53:57,440 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 1: bear charge, it could be on a wounded animal. Well,

995
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,879
Speaker 1: and my whole, my whole view has changed since what happened. Yeah,

996
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: for sure, Like I'm not as aggressive. Like if you

997
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 1: had a boar and a sow and they went into

998
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:13,440
Speaker 1: the thick brush before I would charge and a wolf

999
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 1: and have my hunter right behind me because he'll face off.

1000
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:18,320
Speaker 1: You know, he'll be in there, like what's going on.

1001
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: I don't do that anymore because it's stupid. Basically, I

1002
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: think about it, and my boss just called me stupid. Yeah,

1003
00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:32,680
Speaker 1: I wasn't talking about you, Gary necessarily, but we both

1004
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: do it. It was effective, but they're aggressive. I've had

1005
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 1: a vehicle charge by an aggressive boar black bear with

1006
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:45,239
Speaker 1: a sow, and and now we're we're resort more to

1007
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: predator calls. Mostly later we get a lot more brush,

1008
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: a lot more jungle as it grows, and you don't

1009
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,080
Speaker 1: really you have to pull him out. And so now

1010
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: we're pulling him out with with the pressure calls a

1011
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: little phelps call, Hey, this is a little bit of

1012
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 1: a segue here, but pred your call. So yesterday they're

1013
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: all the way across the field, Brent and Gary, and

1014
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm stalking and we don't have any communication of the

1015
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: just line of sight. And every now and then I

1016
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 1: threw up my binos and we'll be trying to get

1017
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 1: some information from them about where this bear was. And

1018
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: I ducked into the timber and they were seeing a

1019
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 1: bear that I wasn't seeing, and they were like, how

1020
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,960
Speaker 1: we're gonna get his attention? And uh, Gary goes, well,

1021
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 1: I'll predator call at him. And so they're just I guess,

1022
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: just wearing this predator call out over there. I just

1023
00:55:28,280 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: blew it a few times. Yeah, and I don't hear

1024
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:36,800
Speaker 1: the predator call. And then Brent goes, well, clayo respond

1025
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: to a bared owl. If I bared owl at him,

1026
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:43,480
Speaker 1: he'll respond, and uh so Gary goes, okay, bart awl

1027
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:48,000
Speaker 1: at him. So he's and it never occurred to me

1028
00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: at what I thought. I told Brent. This's yesterday. I

1029
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: was like, man, they got bared owls in Canada, and

1030
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:55,959
Speaker 1: then over there trying to they're just trying to flag

1031
00:55:56,080 --> 00:55:58,959
Speaker 1: me down. Finally, Gary walks over to me and he's like, way,

1032
00:55:59,040 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: did you not hear us? Here's alan pressure colin a

1033
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: little bit, a little bit. Yeah, he did, he did.

1034
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: It was it was it was like, why didn't you hear?

1035
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: And then I told him I'm literally deaf? Am I

1036
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: right here? No? No, no really, it was like it

1037
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 1: was like it was getting mad at me for not

1038
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,880
Speaker 1: being a walk but I was in a wheelchair. I said, Gary,

1039
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: in my right ear, I have lost like sixty of

1040
00:56:22,520 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 1: my hearing. I cannot hear of my right here. But

1041
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 1: I did hear the bar down and then he felt bad.

1042
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I know I've seen it a hundred times.

1043
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 1: He takes it serious. I like it, man, you know, really,

1044
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: when you're when you're with the god, I want a

1045
00:56:38,520 --> 00:56:41,399
Speaker 1: god that's got an opinion and it's got what wants

1046
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 1: you to do stuff. Because I've been with him that

1047
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 1: that don't you know they're just kind of there to

1048
00:56:45,719 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: appease you so you don't lack opinions usually. You know.

1049
00:56:50,120 --> 00:56:52,879
Speaker 1: I'm getting better though, I know, I just don't. Yeah,

1050
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: I've grown up a little bit. It's taking me fifty

1051
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: some years, but I'm growing up dating opinions though I

1052
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: don't get paid enough to do this job. No, we did.

1053
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:06,959
Speaker 1: We did. Uh. At one point yesterday we were looking

1054
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,359
Speaker 1: at a bear and Gary had the buyos and at

1055
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: the time I had forgot my bonos and and uh,

1056
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: and I said that that bear is walking away from

1057
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 1: us and he said, he said, no, it's not Clay.

1058
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 1: And I said, Gary, the bear is walking away from us,

1059
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 1: and he said, no, it's not. And I mean I

1060
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 1: was confident. I said that bear is walking away from me.

1061
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 1: I honestly thought that Jeff told you to do something

1062
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 1: to get a reaction. Not I thought you were messing

1063
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:30,920
Speaker 1: with me. And then he was like, looked at the

1064
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: buyos and I was like, the bears walking towards us.

1065
00:57:34,040 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: So usually right, Usually, yeah, he's usually right. I've learned that. Well,

1066
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 1: all this talk about like bear attacks and stuff, I

1067
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 1: think it's relevant. It's a relevant conversation with stocking bears

1068
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 1: on the ground. I mean, and it's really not something

1069
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:54,640
Speaker 1: that bear hunters are really thinking about too much, but

1070
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,040
Speaker 1: they probably shouldn't. Things they do that you need to

1071
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: pay attention to, right, like when you're when we're close

1072
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,840
Speaker 1: to him, like let's say, a sal with a cub

1073
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:09,720
Speaker 1: she's making a bunch of racket whatever whatever. But there's

1074
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: different you know, popping to the teeth, hitting their things.

1075
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 1: But ironically, the last, usually the last thing they do

1076
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 1: before it's going to be a situation is yawn. Yeah. Yeah,

1077
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: they open their mouths, and that's when they're to their

1078
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 1: breaking point. It's bizarre. Yeah, And you know, obviously with

1079
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: sALS of cubs where we might take some photos, but

1080
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 1: we don't. We don't mess around too much with them.

1081
00:58:36,760 --> 00:58:40,280
Speaker 1: Even though style black bear isn't necessarily going to finish

1082
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 1: out an attack like like a like a grizzly, But

1083
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 1: there's you know, there's things that they do that and

1084
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: mostly those boards. They start popping their shoulders walking, you know,

1085
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: just like they know you're there. Their posturing like any

1086
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: other thing, like a grouse that you see puffing up,

1087
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: and so there's ways to read them too. That's enough,

1088
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 1: We've got to back out of here. Okay, this is

1089
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: this is he's pretty serious. Yeah, we'll see if he's

1090
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,919
Speaker 1: with this with this girl, you know he's and see,

1091
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: I think these BC bears are probably different than I

1092
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: don't know, for whatever reason, it seems like and I

1093
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: think I'm going with just statistics that I've heard, seems

1094
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of predatory bear attacks here. Um,

1095
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. For some reason, I feel like these

1096
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: these black bears are slightly different than black bears into

1097
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 1: the places. There's some places. I don't know if that's true.

1098
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: I've been told that actually a few times. I mean,

1099
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:43,360
Speaker 1: like in Arkansas, we have a for for the areas

1100
00:59:43,400 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 1: that do have bears. I mean, we've got some places

1101
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 1: that very small places that might be equivalent to the

1102
00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,000
Speaker 1: very population here. Let's just say like there's a small

1103
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:57,480
Speaker 1: really well you know, habit areas with good habitat. And

1104
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: I mean there hadn't been a bear attack in Arkansas.

1105
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:04,080
Speaker 1: I mean I think one two or three summers ago,

1106
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: a bear drugs somebody out of a tin or something.

1107
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:09,800
Speaker 1: I mean, but it didn't nothing ever happened. It was

1108
01:00:09,840 --> 01:00:12,680
Speaker 1: almost like a curious young bear or something. But I mean,

1109
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 1: we just don't have these problems. But I don't know,

1110
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,680
Speaker 1: there's not a lot. I mean really there's few between.

1111
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: And it's usually in places that are populator, Yeah, like parks,

1112
01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,600
Speaker 1: provincial parks, federal parks. I mean that's where actually more

1113
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,440
Speaker 1: hot springs. Yeah, we're more of the really serious attacks

1114
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 1: ever happened than in the hunting community or what we're

1115
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,120
Speaker 1: doing right, Like, hands down, that's actually probably where of

1116
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 1: them happened. That's how that's how drastic it is, where

1117
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: bears get used to humans and being around humans and

1118
01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:44,919
Speaker 1: then just you know, something goes Yeah they're feeding them

1119
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 1: and uh and yet you know that's what certain people

1120
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,080
Speaker 1: want you to believe, this whole Walt Disney thing, right,

1121
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 1: and that's that's where the attacks hoppen, when you start

1122
01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,440
Speaker 1: messing with them like that around here, like it's far

1123
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: and far and new, but a few between. Yeah, I've

1124
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 1: never I mean we've had a few it, you know,

1125
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:03,040
Speaker 1: after they've been shot that you know, like you're saying

1126
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,080
Speaker 1: you're tracking them and you're not really paying attention. All

1127
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:07,760
Speaker 1: sudden they stand up and they're right right there to

1128
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 1: finish them off. But not very only aggressive behavior we've

1129
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: had is in the rut. Yeah have you ever been

1130
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: how many times have you been charged by gris or

1131
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: have you? I don't think I have. All my guides

1132
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:26,840
Speaker 1: do yeah, yeah, or have yeah? Yeah, I've had some

1133
01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: close encounters with them, but no, I haven't had to

1134
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,320
Speaker 1: trying to think. No, I haven't had to kill any

1135
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: Usually Gary's the one who gets taken the church. He he,

1136
01:01:38,680 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 1: he kind of likes it, gets a kick out of it. No, No,

1137
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 1: I've been I've been fortunate. But you know, my other guy, Aaron,

1138
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:51,680
Speaker 1: he's had oh he's a multiple on the river, you

1139
01:01:51,720 --> 01:01:54,800
Speaker 1: know during grizzly hunting. You know, usually those situations happen

1140
01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: in the fall, cal calling from moose come in, or

1141
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: a dead moose or a grizzly that gets arrowed. You know,

1142
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:06,680
Speaker 1: two years ago, the last year that we had tags,

1143
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,560
Speaker 1: my blo hunter hit one close and when he was

1144
01:02:09,600 --> 01:02:12,320
Speaker 1: taken off, Aaron shot him, but he just winged him

1145
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: on the shoulder and that things spotted and came right

1146
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:18,240
Speaker 1: at him and he had to kill him. But by

1147
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: and large it's been you know, lots of black bear

1148
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:26,440
Speaker 1: false charges and aggressive but nothing that that have felt

1149
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,160
Speaker 1: things were getting out of control. But you know, I

1150
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,200
Speaker 1: mean we take a very I mean, when a moose

1151
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 1: is down, you have one guy who is standing there.

1152
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: You have to you have and there's probably not gonna

1153
01:02:38,560 --> 01:02:41,640
Speaker 1: be any situation. But you hear these stories of you know,

1154
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 1: the bears that are coming in. Last year, they were hungry,

1155
01:02:45,080 --> 01:02:49,280
Speaker 1: very few berries and and you know there alright. So yeah,

1156
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 1: hey in closing, talking about the nitty grittyest spotting stock

1157
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:58,919
Speaker 1: black bear hunting, trying to get close archer equipment. Gary,

1158
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,680
Speaker 1: we'll start with you. What what are you gonna say? What?

1159
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 1: What are your what are your top tips hot tips

1160
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 1: for stocking black bears? What would you say? Yeah? Close

1161
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:09,880
Speaker 1: that this It's like we spoke about it. Clothes as

1162
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 1: fast as you can. The wind changes. There's certain areas

1163
01:03:12,600 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: of wind doesn't change like on the old logging road.

1164
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: It's so consistent there. I mean, I love that spot,

1165
01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:18,320
Speaker 1: including u higher, but we didn't have snow. You have

1166
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: the you know the wind, you're fair. But when you

1167
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:22,200
Speaker 1: start hunting these fields in the corners and in the

1168
01:03:22,280 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 1: down draft coming in the evening, you figure just keeps

1169
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:25,640
Speaker 1: some coming down, get the win your favor and go

1170
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,480
Speaker 1: on them. Uh getting on them. But uh, um man

1171
01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,280
Speaker 1: just swirls in those back corners, right, and we've experienced

1172
01:03:31,320 --> 01:03:33,960
Speaker 1: that already a few times. Um yeah, pay attention to them,

1173
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,840
Speaker 1: like you know, um maker moves and they're not looking

1174
01:03:35,880 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: at you, and they're like you'd stalk any animal when

1175
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: they're um not you know, looking at you and facing away.

1176
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,360
Speaker 1: Um and man, they're hearing. It's a lot better than

1177
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:45,520
Speaker 1: people think. I remember, I'm not dealing this on a

1178
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: rifle hunt or even so much on compound. But wouldn't

1179
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,480
Speaker 1: like with you want to get in within twenty yards. Um,

1180
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 1: you can't make anything. You cannot make literally mistake and

1181
01:03:54,200 --> 01:03:55,680
Speaker 1: it will happen. I mean, I know, well you know,

1182
01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure you're gonna get one. But um, yeah,

1183
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,160
Speaker 1: they're just smarter. They're smarter than you think. So don't

1184
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,960
Speaker 1: just take it for granted. Well there's another big bear.

1185
01:04:03,360 --> 01:04:04,920
Speaker 1: I can just walk up to it. They get big

1186
01:04:04,960 --> 01:04:07,760
Speaker 1: for reason. They're not stupid. And um, you know, do

1187
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:10,440
Speaker 1: that stock like you wouldn't you know, the most hardest

1188
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 1: hunt is white till that you ever see it. I

1189
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 1: think that's that's the thing right there. That Um, and

1190
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,920
Speaker 1: again not that I've taken anything for granted, but you

1191
01:04:20,040 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: gotta stock these bears like you're stuck in stocking an antelope.

1192
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's gotta be the mentality. It's like

1193
01:04:25,680 --> 01:04:28,120
Speaker 1: you can't give him anythings, right, you know, do your

1194
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: draw I've had we've had perfect situations where everything's worked out,

1195
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,840
Speaker 1: and I'm talking about strictly both hunts right here. And uh,

1196
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm telling the hunter to draw. I need to go,

1197
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: so I can only hold for thirty seconds, So what

1198
01:04:39,120 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 1: let down? If that's all you can hold, I mean,

1199
01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 1: it's better. And he draws on the you know when

1200
01:04:42,440 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 1: they look at you, well, no, they're they're gone, They're

1201
01:04:45,040 --> 01:04:46,920
Speaker 1: they're done. Even though it's forty yards away, they're looking

1202
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:48,720
Speaker 1: at you come to draw. I mean they're gonna notice

1203
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: that movement, right, So yeah, just take don't take it

1204
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,360
Speaker 1: for granted, especially if you know you really want to

1205
01:04:53,360 --> 01:04:55,920
Speaker 1: go after a bigger bear. Bigger they are, the smarter

1206
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 1: they are, and um, and yeah, do it like you're

1207
01:04:58,280 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: hunting elk, like you're hunting a white you know. And

1208
01:04:59,800 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason too. This is a little

1209
01:05:01,600 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 1: bit confusing to people. Is on a bated black bear hunt.

1210
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 1: Movement and scent pretty much mean nothing Canada. But when

1211
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:14,240
Speaker 1: he doesn't know that there's a human involved, it's a

1212
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,480
Speaker 1: whole another ball game. And I think that's the that's

1213
01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 1: the contradiction that people have because you know, go to

1214
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 1: you go to Canada and abated black bear hunt. You

1215
01:05:23,520 --> 01:05:28,439
Speaker 1: could stand up and I mean movement sound and even

1216
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: human scent is not the limiting factor. But buddy, when

1217
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:35,360
Speaker 1: you're trying to slip up on one out in his element,

1218
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 1: it's a whole another whole other game. Jeff hot tip.

1219
01:05:40,200 --> 01:05:43,480
Speaker 1: One thing you could tell I'm fading into the bush

1220
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 1: for the last time before you see me on the

1221
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 1: stalk and you say, clay X, do this. What do

1222
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: you say? Two things? I would take your first opportunity, Like,

1223
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: if you're in your if you're in your comfortable range,

1224
01:05:58,320 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: shoot you got the shots. Don't don't wait for him

1225
01:06:01,560 --> 01:06:05,120
Speaker 1: to Second of all, if he does bolt, move up

1226
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: because big boars. Often we'll go into the bush and

1227
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:10,440
Speaker 1: turn around and see what's going on. Okay, so moving

1228
01:06:10,560 --> 01:06:13,320
Speaker 1: on him. They're cocked And would you say, like, don't

1229
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:16,160
Speaker 1: I mean, just like run up there. I wouldn't run

1230
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 1: up there. But he's not necessarily gonna just bail into

1231
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,840
Speaker 1: the next county he wanted. If he doesn't smell, he

1232
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,880
Speaker 1: doesn't really know what you are. But he's cocky arrogant

1233
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:30,640
Speaker 1: enough that he'll usually come and see what's going on,

1234
01:06:30,840 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: and you can and often you can move in closer

1235
01:06:32,920 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 1: and if you get a second opportunity. Yeah, that's a

1236
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,000
Speaker 1: good tip. That was lost to you. Yeah, where the

1237
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:40,320
Speaker 1: bear comes back out five minutes, ten minutes, fifteen minutes,

1238
01:06:40,320 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: an hour later in the same spot. Right, so especially

1239
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: it's a big bear. It's the bear you want, right

1240
01:06:45,360 --> 01:06:47,960
Speaker 1: and you're excited about Yeah, go go step back up,

1241
01:06:48,040 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 1: keep the wind you're facing. There's a good chance he

1242
01:06:50,400 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: might come back out. Yeah. Yeah, they're cocky. Just get

1243
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:56,680
Speaker 1: some killed. Yeah it does. Yeah. Hey, that's some awesome information.

1244
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:59,920
Speaker 1: And uh, we're gonna do We're gonna do a couple

1245
01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 1: more podcasts are here in British Columbia. This is the

1246
01:07:03,080 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 1: fourth day, so we got a couple of days left

1247
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 1: to hunt. But thank you guys. Ton. Yeah. Man, well

1248
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: it keeps the wild places wild because that's where the

1249
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:14,439
Speaker 1: bears live. Yeah,