1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to the new I Heart Radio and Coast to 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Coast AUM Paranormal Podcast Network. Like us on Facebook, tell 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: your friends and shure us with everyone. This is an 4 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: exciting new network that will feature podcasts on the paranormal, supernatural, 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Now please enjoy the Darker Side of 6 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Life with Heidi Hollis. You are listening to the Darker 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: Side of Life with me, Heidi Hollis on the I 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast A and Paranormal Podcast Network. 9 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. To share a bit about myself, 10 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: I've been researching and writing about everything from angels to 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,000 Speaker 1: aliens for a very long time because I'm someone who's 12 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: also been there, seen that, experienced it, got over it, 13 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: found some answers, and now I'm hoping to help others 14 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 1: do the same thing. I'm most known for having discovered 15 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 1: and defined two very popular paranormal phenomena that I call 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: shadow people and hat man. People from all over the 17 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:16,200 Speaker 1: world seek my advice on their variety of encounters, and 18 00:01:16,280 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: I do my best to answer them in hopes of 19 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: bringing the lesser known or the darker side of life 20 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: into the light. And now I'd like to introduce you 21 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: to the darker side of life with me, Heidi Hollis. 22 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: If you don't know who I am, my life has 23 00:01:34,600 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 1: been something of a mystery, even to myself. I've seen 24 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,480 Speaker 1: things that range from the silly, to the mysterious, to 25 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:49,080 Speaker 1: the intrusive, and even to the heavenly. If it were 26 00:01:49,240 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: to be a movie, I would fall into so many 27 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: genres that would seem unrelated, but I can assure you 28 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: that all of them are. Sometimes the ties are obvious 29 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: and other times not so much. The paranormal has been 30 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,399 Speaker 1: a part of my life for as long as I 31 00:02:14,440 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 1: can remember. To be honest, this is not just a journey. 32 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: It's quite personal for me that I'm doing what it 33 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: is that I do these days, talking to as many 34 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,079 Speaker 1: people as I can in hopes of reaching out and 35 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: finding the right button to push in order to wake 36 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 1: people up to this other reality. Oftentimes it can be 37 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: confusing for people that look on from the outside, wondering 38 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: how did she get involved in this type of thing? 39 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: And I get it. It's a it's a bit different. 40 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: It's not the type of thing that you go out 41 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: to do unless it's really a part of who you 42 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: are and a passion and talking on the topics that 43 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: I do. It is a path us and there's no 44 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: other way to put it. I grew up in a 45 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:08,639 Speaker 1: haunted house. It started quite young for me. So I 46 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: was seven years old when unfortunately I lost my mother 47 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: and soon thereafter the house began to do things that 48 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:23,240 Speaker 1: it shouldn't be doing. And you know, it's one of 49 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,959 Speaker 1: those things where people are like, okay, so who passed away? 50 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: Of course this had to be related to your mother. 51 00:03:30,440 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: You know, I say there is no protective love quite 52 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: like a mother's love. Am I right? And when she passed, 53 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:43,080 Speaker 1: we were left vulnerable because what mom would try to 54 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: terrorize her extremely young children. So it it's been an 55 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: interesting life. So it started off with ghosts, the haunting. 56 00:03:54,720 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 1: I Poulter geists and to give an idea of my 57 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: first brave intervention, I guess he could say with ghostly phenomena. 58 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 1: It was the first Christmas after my mother's passing that 59 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 1: my dad he started to move on in his life 60 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: and my soon to be stepmother moved in with my 61 00:04:16,600 --> 00:04:20,039 Speaker 1: soon to be stepbrother and she moved in some of 62 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:26,039 Speaker 1: her items and one being an organ. Now, this this 63 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,239 Speaker 1: organ was pretty cool, I mean, something that we weren't 64 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 1: familiar with my two sisters and I, so we took 65 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 1: to it and I thought it was nat and we'd 66 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: seen it be operated before, but we weren't that familiar 67 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: with it. So Christmas Day, me and my siblings we 68 00:04:42,279 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: take through all of our new presence and we had 69 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: all this wrapping paper all over the place, and my 70 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: dad and soon to be stepmom decided, okay, kids, play 71 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,000 Speaker 1: with your toys. We'll be back. We're gonna go wish 72 00:04:56,040 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 1: some other people and merry Christmas. We didn't care we 73 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: had all these toys. We're rather entertained. It's me, my 74 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: younger sister, my older sister, and my sin to be 75 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 1: stepbrother who was about thirteen at the time, older sister 76 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: about eleven, and a younger one she had to be 77 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 1: about six years old. So we're having a blast checking 78 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: out the toys when all of a sudden, the organ 79 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: in the living room started playing now something to know here. Uh. 80 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: Myself and my two sisters. We loved old Western movies 81 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 1: and they had automatic playing pianos, right, so we were mesmerized. 82 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: We crowded around this organ like this is so cool, 83 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: just like in the movies, and we go to my 84 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:54,480 Speaker 1: freckle faced, redheaded stepbrother and we're like, how does it 85 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: do this? You know, like we didn't see the button 86 00:05:57,360 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 1: that makes this happen. And we look at him and 87 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: he's super pale as he says, it doesn't do that. 88 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: And I remember that moment of us sitting there frozen, 89 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: just just frozen for a minute, like it doesn't. And 90 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 1: then the horror and terror build up into a scream 91 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: that came from all three of us at the same time. 92 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 1: And all we could think of was, let's get into 93 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: a room that is secure. And what is secure is 94 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,280 Speaker 1: the bathroom because they has a lock on the door, right, 95 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:43,160 Speaker 1: So we go to the bathroom, lock ourselves in, and 96 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: this Oregon knew how to hit every low key there was, 97 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: I mean, bah bah blah blah. But it is going 98 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: nuts and it's straight across from us in the bathroom. 99 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: We're in there for I don't know how long, and 100 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: we're just you know, like freaked out, like how could 101 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: this be going on? Right now? Who? What? When my 102 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:13,400 Speaker 1: older sister she wasn't she wasn't the nicest always, you 103 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: know how older siblings can be. Right, We're sitting in 104 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: there for the longest time when my sister goes it 105 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: is too crowded in here. Somebody has got to get out. 106 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 1: That spelled me, okay. So next thing I know, I'm 107 00:07:29,880 --> 00:07:32,680 Speaker 1: being shoved out of the door and I'm like, not me, 108 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:38,040 Speaker 1: not me, not me. Oh the terror of an eight 109 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: year old. Oh my gosh. So all I could think 110 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,160 Speaker 1: to do was to put my back to the bathroom 111 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: door of safety, and I slid my back down and 112 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: I was bending my knees up to my chin, and 113 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: I just bawled my eyes out, like oh, this is 114 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: campy happening, as the organ is right across from me, 115 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: just going nuts. And then I don't know what came 116 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 1: over me. I just felt like, this has got to 117 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: be conquered. This is too loud, this is too much. 118 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: My fear runneth over and it became one of defiance. 119 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: Go figure, eight year old defiance. So I started dictating 120 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: to my siblings, who cowered behind the door. I'm gonna 121 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:32,000 Speaker 1: get the key. I'm gonna lock this thing up. So 122 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: I go into my dad's bedroom, which is immediately to 123 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 1: my left. So I go in there, I get the keys. 124 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, I got the keys. I'm totally dictating, 125 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 1: and I walk up to this organ and the keys 126 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: are just going mad, just going mad, and I pulled 127 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: the cover over a boom lock and it stopped. I 128 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: scream out to my blings, you can come out now, 129 00:09:01,720 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: your chickens. I took care of it, and I took 130 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: the keys back to the bedroom and I was so relieved. 131 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 1: And they started to creep out of the bathroom like 132 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: he did. He did it, like I did it. It's like, oh, 133 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, and there's just like starting to come out, 134 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:20,119 Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm feeling pretty good. I'm like, I 135 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 1: can't believe I took care of that. So I felt 136 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: pretty good there. When all of a sudden, we heard 137 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 1: the keys in the bedroom start clinging together lightly, and 138 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: my siblings slammed the bathroom door closed again, just freaking out. 139 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: So I was locked out again. Luckily that stopped, and 140 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,320 Speaker 1: they started creeping back out of the bathroom. AGIN like, 141 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: what was that? I don't know? And then uh new 142 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 1: sound started and we could not figure out what it was. 143 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: My siblings scream they run back into the bathroom. I'm 144 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: left out in the living room with mountains and I 145 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: mean mountains of wrapping paper all over the place. So 146 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm determined, i'm gonna figure this out. I'm 147 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,840 Speaker 1: gonna find this. I'm like, I'm gonna find what this is. 148 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: I'm dictating to my siblings and I'm just throwing like 149 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:21,439 Speaker 1: all this wrapping paper all over the place, and I 150 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: come across my baby sister's new electronic guitar and I'm like, 151 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 1: it's her new toy. I'm gonna take the batteries out. 152 00:10:31,000 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: And they're like you just listening, and I'm like, I'm 153 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 1: gonna do this. I'm gonna do this, and and I 154 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: remember like kind of fumbling with this electronic looking guitar 155 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: thing that had like flat keys, you know, just multi 156 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:46,040 Speaker 1: colored flat keys on it, and I'm like, flip it over. 157 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,640 Speaker 1: Took me a little bit to pry the battery case off, 158 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 1: and I don't even know how to justify my little 159 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: eight year old fear that hit me at that moment 160 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: when I discovered there's batteries in it. And I remember 161 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: not being able to get those words out really clearly, 162 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: and I'm just getting goose bumps right now. I've been 163 00:11:09,240 --> 00:11:14,199 Speaker 1: thinking about it, but I'm repeating it's no, there's no battercks, no, 164 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: and I just I just remember gently placing this back 165 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 1: down on the floor and saying that over and over quietly, 166 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: with barely any air on my lungs. There's no no battercks. 167 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: And I put my back up against the bathroom door, 168 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: and I slid down and put my face back in 169 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 1: my knees, just bawling my eyes out because it wouldn't stop. 170 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: I couldn't get it to stop. And this seemed to 171 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: go on forever before my dad and sin to be 172 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: stepmom come through the door, and my siblings practically barreled 173 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: over me, just burst out of the door, and it's 174 00:11:56,200 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: just like out of the movies. And then the organ 175 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: was playing, and then the toy was playing, and of 176 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 1: course everything stopped when my parents opened up the door, right, 177 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: and it's just overwhelmed. I mean, that was my first 178 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: introduction to this other worldly sense of things that I 179 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: was cognizant of at the time. I do have a 180 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: prior memory of something else, but this one, really, this 181 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: one's stuck with me because whatever it was, I felt 182 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: like it could be partly conquered to a point, but 183 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: it also left me with the sense of fear. They 184 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 1: unknown as well, and soon after that It just started 185 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: a spiral of so many other things going on and 186 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: going wrong in our home that we just couldn't fully comprehend. 187 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: A black, shadowy thing attacked my stepbrother with red glowing eyes, 188 00:12:56,600 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 1: scratched his face up. We had loud poundings, lights coming 189 00:13:00,280 --> 00:13:04,600 Speaker 1: on things, moving things. We're seeing photographs of odd things. 190 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:08,720 Speaker 1: I mean, you name it. We seem to deal with it. 191 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't easy, not in one bit. But I really 192 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,199 Speaker 1: think I got my sea legs as far as the 193 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: paranormal's concerned, starting with that first incident. And you know, 194 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: it's been good, it's been bad. It's been light, it's 195 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 1: been dark, but it's always given me this sense of 196 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:38,599 Speaker 1: knowledge that what we're seeing is not the full story. 197 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: There are layers to this, there are layers to get 198 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: to know and understand. And I have been really fortunate 199 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 1: in order to express myself and so many different ways 200 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: where I can write it down or I've had the 201 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: opportunity to be a guest on Coast to Coast am 202 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 1: several times with George Nori and uh, it's given me 203 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: an interesting perspective on how to express myself in this 204 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: very strange arena. And it only gets more interesting to 205 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 1: have had the opportunity and the insight to come upon 206 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,960 Speaker 1: to paranormal phenomena no one had ever heard of before. 207 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: I call them shadow people and hat Man and I'll 208 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: give you more details about what they're about, how I 209 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: came across them, and we'll go from there. Right after 210 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,560 Speaker 1: the break, you're listening to the Darker Side of Life 211 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 212 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Okay, folks, we 213 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: need your music. 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This holiday season, 223 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: give the gift of companionship Paranormal date dot com. And 224 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 1: now back to the I Heart Radio and Coast to 225 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: Coast a M Paranormal podcast network and The Darker Side 226 00:15:37,520 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: of Life. Welcome back. You are listening to the Darker 227 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: Side of Life with me, Heidi Hollis on the I 228 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal TI podcast Network. 229 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: Shadow People and hat Man. Those were my two discoveries. 230 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: I never would have thought that my life would leave 231 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: me in this direction, to say the least. And I 232 00:16:13,120 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: first stumbled across Shadow People. It was something that I 233 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: honestly thought might have been more out there because I 234 00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: saw the first one following a good friend of mine. 235 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: It was nothing that was coming after me. Initially, I 236 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: was staying at a friend's house when I was broad 237 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: daylight walking with my friend and I saw this thing, 238 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: this black mass that jumped from one tree to a bush, 239 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 1: to a tree to behind a house. I'm looking, I'm 240 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: getting a glimpse of this thing, and I'm like, what 241 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: what am my eyes seeing here? Just I didn't know 242 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: what to think. Then once we reached our destination and 243 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:02,200 Speaker 1: went to turn back, it followed us. Now by the 244 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: time we reached the home that I was staying at 245 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,359 Speaker 1: at my friends, I was just beside myself. I didn't 246 00:17:10,359 --> 00:17:12,960 Speaker 1: know what it was I was looking at, and me 247 00:17:13,040 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 1: being a cartoonist as I am, the first thing I 248 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,760 Speaker 1: did was grab a piece of paper when we got 249 00:17:17,760 --> 00:17:20,360 Speaker 1: on the door, and I'm like, look, I don't know 250 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: what i'm seeing here, but I just saw this thing 251 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: following us, and I drew what I call the head 252 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: and shoulder shadow. My friend, I'm thinking she's gonna look 253 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 1: at it and just start cracking up at me, thinking 254 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:37,359 Speaker 1: I'm crazy. She looks at it, leans in and it's like, 255 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 1: oh that thing, Yeah, I don't know what that is. 256 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: It's been following me since I was a kid. Hey, dad, 257 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: look it's back. Just like what what I just I 258 00:17:53,200 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: don't even know how to describe that feeling, like it 259 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: was justified, verified, and I was terrified. So I go 260 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: upstairs soon thereafter to go grab something from the second 261 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:10,320 Speaker 1: floor where I was staying. And again it's still broad daylight. 262 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: I didn't have to turn the light on or anything 263 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 1: like that, So go upstairs. I grab what I needed 264 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:20,119 Speaker 1: to and turned around to leave the room when that 265 00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: thing was blocking my exit out the door. Now, when 266 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 1: you're looking at something that is clearly over eight ft tall, 267 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:40,679 Speaker 1: hulking over you with red glowing eyes. That fear is 268 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: like nothing you can describe. It was down to the 269 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: soul of me that I felt like this thing wants 270 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:56,640 Speaker 1: to kill me. It was completely black, and it kind 271 00:18:56,680 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: of had this loose shape of a man, though I 272 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: couldn't distinguish there being any legs. I could kind of 273 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: see ahead directly attached to some extremely large shoulders, though 274 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: I couldn't see any arms or hands for that matter. 275 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:21,639 Speaker 1: All I knew this thing wanted me dead, and I 276 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,479 Speaker 1: knew if I ran, it was going to get me. 277 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: If I swung at this thing, it was going to 278 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: get me. I immediately called upon my faith and started praying, 279 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:41,720 Speaker 1: and I closed my eyes, and somehow something told me, 280 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: keep your eyes closed, keep your head down, keep that 281 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: prayer rolling, and walk slowly and steadily through this thing. 282 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: So that's what I did. And a lot of people 283 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: ask me, well, what did you feel when you went through? 284 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 1: And like I was numb with terror, no feeling about 285 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: it except I needed to get out of there, and 286 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: I had to get out of there smartly. So I 287 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: took my steady steps and walked gently through this thing. 288 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: And when I got to the other side. It gives 289 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: me chills even now thinking about it. I could feel 290 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 1: it like almost like breathing over me, trying to scare 291 00:20:30,760 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 1: me to start running. I somehow managed to get to 292 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: the top of the stairs, and when I did, my 293 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:43,879 Speaker 1: legs were just jelly by that point, so I quite 294 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: literally collapsed down those stairs and fumbled all the way down. 295 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,160 Speaker 1: I kind of used my arms to walk my way 296 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 1: down on the handrails, and and my friend heard the 297 00:20:56,520 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 1: thud at the bottom of the stairs, and she opened 298 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: up the door to see if I was okay, and 299 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: and I had no air in my lungs, and I 300 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:11,919 Speaker 1: could only say, it's upstairs. I remember her looking up 301 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 1: the stairs and like grabbing me and pulling me out 302 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: and closing the door. Wow. I felt that thing was 303 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: not happy that I saw it, and extremely disappointed that 304 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: I spoke about it. That that wasn't the deal now, 305 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,239 Speaker 1: interesting enough, I thought that was the end of it. 306 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:39,280 Speaker 1: I saw this thing following my friend. It's a done deal, right. Well, 307 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 1: I didn't know it then, and it took me years 308 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: to realize, honestly, that it just manifested us something else 309 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: in my life. For some reason, out of nowhere, I 310 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:56,399 Speaker 1: started having these nightmares of giant man eating spiders. I 311 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:00,919 Speaker 1: moved into a place with a friend and I was 312 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: getting up in the middle of the night looking for 313 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 1: a broom shoe, anything i'd get my hands on to 314 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: try to kill this giant man eating spider because I 315 00:22:12,200 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: felt like if I got it really good, maybe it 316 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: won't come back. I'm not kidding, but and sometimes I 317 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: would see thousands of little, tiny black spiders all over me. 318 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: But usually I would wake up because I would always 319 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 1: feel the presence of these things. I would wake up 320 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: and i'd see rows of black eyes, or I would 321 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: wake to one of them falling from the ceiling, hitting 322 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: my bed and walking up the bed, moving the bed 323 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: sheet or blanket as it came towards my face. Yeah, 324 00:22:53,520 --> 00:23:00,040 Speaker 1: this was not pleasant. Now, again, I wasn't relating it 325 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:04,760 Speaker 1: to the black head and shoulder shadow being. I just 326 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,879 Speaker 1: was seeing these big, shadowy spider things. I'm like, why 327 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: is this going on? Absolutely puzzled. Now. I was living 328 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: in another state at the time, and then I relocated 329 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 1: back to my home state of Wisconsin at the time, 330 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:24,679 Speaker 1: and the nightmares continued, but again didn't did not relate 331 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:29,360 Speaker 1: it at all. And then one day I had a 332 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: strange encounter soon after I joined a UFO discussion group. 333 00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 1: Everyone in the group were alien abductees except for me. 334 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 1: I had seen massive UFOs and I just needed to vent, 335 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:52,720 Speaker 1: you know. But I had a group of great alien 336 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: beings come into my apartment that I lived in alone. 337 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't even know how to categorize that feeling. Because 338 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: I thought someone broke into my apartment and they needed 339 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: to go, so I jumped up to take care of that, 340 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,720 Speaker 1: only to be met with small, tiny, gray alien beings. 341 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: I was floored. Long story short, I kind of picked 342 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: one up and kind of rattled it, and that one 343 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,640 Speaker 1: was not quite a great It was a hybrid alien 344 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: being I now know. It looked kind of like human 345 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: and part of them really puzzling, super puzzling. I didn't 346 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: know what to think of it. Got rid of them. Okay, 347 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: I don't think I was abducted. No, I don't have 348 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: any memory of having ever been abducted. For the record, now, 349 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: practically the next day, what am I met with the 350 00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: big black head and shoulder shadow looking creature that was 351 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:06,760 Speaker 1: following my friend? I didn't know what to think. I 352 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: get rid of these crazy looking little gray alien beings 353 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 1: that people talk about at the meetings, and then they 354 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: send this other thing my way the next day, like, oh, 355 00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: we can't take care of this one, you know, let's 356 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:22,919 Speaker 1: call in the boss. I didn't know what was going on, 357 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: and like, how is possible? Why's that thing here? What's 358 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:31,200 Speaker 1: going on? I had black shadow looking cats, I had 359 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: black masses floating around. I was through the roof and 360 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: misunderstanding what was taking place. Now when these were going on, 361 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: I was having those meetings with these people who were 362 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:47,360 Speaker 1: Ailien abductees, and they were the only people I could 363 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 1: really vent to and talk to you about what was 364 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 1: going on, and I would describe what was going on 365 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: with me, and I just started saying shadow people because 366 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 1: it was just easier to put it all under one definition. 367 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: Even though these things were shape shifting and looking odd 368 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: and doing all sorts of stuff. I just felt like 369 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: this name fit all of it, whether if it was 370 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,360 Speaker 1: a cloud cat or head and shoulder looking shadow thing. 371 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: And my friends understood because I had given the definition 372 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: that made sense to them, that was it. Well. I 373 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: soon moved within the same building that I was living in, 374 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 1: moved across the hall, and got a roommate. Now, This 375 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: is when things got really interesting. My roommate was super religious, 376 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,440 Speaker 1: Pentecostal to be exact, and I warned her. I said, look, 377 00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:44,920 Speaker 1: I've got some strange things that go on, and she's like, look, 378 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 1: got got on my side. Your demons cannot touch me. 379 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: And I'm like, I didn't think that these were all 380 00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 1: these shadowy looking beings because I would get these glimpses 381 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: of things that didn't quite look human, like alien spying, 382 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 1: much like the gray beings that had come into my 383 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: apartment when I lived alone. So she moved on in anyways, 384 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,920 Speaker 1: and that topic of anything weird was off limits like 385 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: my other friends because it was something that would terrorize 386 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: them and terrify them. So I get it. I didn't 387 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: talk about it. I kept it to myself. But then 388 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: that roommate that had moved in started seeing these things 389 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 1: for herself and I would be sitting there sketching, and 390 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: she started sketching, she also being an artist, and we 391 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: came up with identical matching sketches, though hers had more detail. 392 00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:52,439 Speaker 1: Go figure. Now it got even more interesting when this 393 00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:59,280 Speaker 1: same friend started having these things not just come for me, 394 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,359 Speaker 1: but go for her. These things did not like being 395 00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 1: seen they didn't like being sketched. They didn't like being 396 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:13,520 Speaker 1: found out. She soon experienced something that I did not 397 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: personally experience. When I woke up to her screaming in 398 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:18,960 Speaker 1: the middle of the night, like someone was killing her. 399 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 1: I come running to her room, bust open her door, 400 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,359 Speaker 1: and I'm like, what what? And She's cowering in a corner, 401 00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: making herself as small as she possibly can, and she 402 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: could barely get her words out to say the man, 403 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: the man. I'm like, somebody broke in, somebody broken. Oh no, 404 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: I'm looking all around and no, the man disappeared when 405 00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: I opened the door. What she soon drew what is 406 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: now known as hat Man. Now, at the time, I 407 00:28:49,320 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: had assumed this was just another form that shadow people took, 408 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:58,680 Speaker 1: so I called him the hat man. Shadow. Well, I 409 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: was wrong, and I didn't want to come forward for 410 00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: a long time about what it was he was. When 411 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 1: I put his image online and my emails exploded into 412 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: a whole other realm of what and who he is. 413 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,200 Speaker 1: It's very talkative. He's not like the shadow people who 414 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: make generally growl or pin of person down, make it 415 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:26,160 Speaker 1: very difficult for them to breathe or move. He could 416 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: do those things as well. But he wore a suit, 417 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: three piece suit, trench coat or cape, a hat or 418 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: no hat, and his hat would change even and sometimes 419 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: he could appear a clean shaven or have a goatee. 420 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 1: If you saw his skin, you would see his eyes 421 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: were black, or if he was just in the shadows, 422 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,920 Speaker 1: his eyes may glow red or not at all. He 423 00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 1: was solid, and he was very very forward and saying 424 00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: what he was. He would call him Elf, the devil himself. 425 00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: He would take his fist and punch it through people's 426 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: chest and pull their soul out. He would do harmful things, 427 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:17,320 Speaker 1: horrific things. Hat Man and shadow People worked together, but 428 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: they were not exactly the same. Hat Man ordered shadow 429 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,160 Speaker 1: People on what they should do. And now I'm here, 430 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: and now I'm helping you get answers about what it 431 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 1: is that you're experiencing. And I'll be reading off your 432 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: emails and addressing your questions about whatever it is that 433 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: you've experienced, and not just the dark side, but the 434 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 1: light side, because that's what's going to help you win 435 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: this battle. 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This is George 470 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: Nori and you're listening to the new y Heart Media 471 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a paranormal podcast network heard on 472 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 473 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 1: find your favorite shows. Welcome back. You are listening to 474 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast AM paranormal 475 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: podcast network with me Heidi Hollis and the Darker Side 476 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 1: of Life. I'd like to also welcome you, the listener, 477 00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: to go to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis 478 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 1: dot com and send me your comments, questions and experiences 479 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:56,200 Speaker 1: and I will address them here on this program. So 480 00:33:56,320 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: let's begin so with my first email that I've received here. 481 00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:06,880 Speaker 1: This comes from Francisco. It says, Dear Heidie. This story 482 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:09,000 Speaker 1: was in the year two thousand, when I was a 483 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: small child. I was accompanied by my grandmother to buy 484 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: me a pair of pants for school. So we went 485 00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: to a store and while we were looking for a pair, 486 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,560 Speaker 1: I got bored, so I went out into the street. 487 00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: This is when a man put some quotes, touched my 488 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:33,319 Speaker 1: shoulder and I suddenly felt paralyzed, combined with a cold 489 00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: chill that just hit me. Then the man said, boy. 490 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: Although everything happened so quickly, the time just seemed to 491 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:50,520 Speaker 1: go slow. I ran into the store, and when I 492 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: came back, the man had already disappeared. I have never 493 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,839 Speaker 1: been able to forget that day. I'm not sure if 494 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,440 Speaker 1: it was the hat man, but that feeling that he 495 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:11,200 Speaker 1: left me with was unforgettable. Even his appearance was pretty unique. 496 00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: He wore a Humburg type of hat with black clothes 497 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 1: except for a white shirt and black tie. His face 498 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:26,360 Speaker 1: was round and his eyes were yellow, and he had 499 00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 1: an imperial mustache and a smile that was similar to 500 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,480 Speaker 1: that of Jack Nicholson as the Joker. As an adult, 501 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:41,799 Speaker 1: I could never find that man again. Thank you for 502 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:48,160 Speaker 1: letting me share my story, Francisco. You know, Francisco, I 503 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: have to tell you that sounds very much like the 504 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,959 Speaker 1: hat man. And sometimes people question, is that what I experienced? 505 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: It was in the daytime, was it at nighttime? And 506 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. He could be walking down the street 507 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 1: and broad daylight. And yeah he changes his hat, so 508 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,680 Speaker 1: Humburg type of hat that fits. And yes he is 509 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 1: seen with a white shirt and a black tie, and 510 00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 1: sometimes he wears a jacket or a kate. Doesn't seem 511 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 1: to matter. And yeah, even the yellow eyes, those could change. 512 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 1: But that smile, oh, that smile that you're talking about 513 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 1: Jack Nicholson as the Joker, You guys know what that 514 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:41,080 Speaker 1: looks like. Remember that ear to ear, big V shaped 515 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,240 Speaker 1: smile and laughter that the Joker has in the movies. 516 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:49,440 Speaker 1: Believe it or not, that is exactly the example I 517 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: give to people to try to get an understanding of 518 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:59,239 Speaker 1: how wide and abnormal hat man smile is. It is 519 00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: gross to see in person. And I tell people when 520 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 1: he opens his mouth, just be happy it was closed 521 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: if you saw him grinning, because the jagged teeth that 522 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:20,200 Speaker 1: he reveals are absolutely horrific. I equate it to Pennywise 523 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: from Stephen King's It movie. Okay, every tooth sharp as 524 00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 1: if it could rip flesh, and he has unfortunately done 525 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:40,120 Speaker 1: that to people. So, yeah, Francisco, it does sound like 526 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,040 Speaker 1: you met the man. I don't see you mentioning it 527 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: happening again. So luckily for you, this is a one 528 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,239 Speaker 1: time deal. But you know what's important for people to 529 00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: know about this experience here he is a small kid, 530 00:37:56,680 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: it's an adult now, and it's still bothers him. Still 531 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 1: he remembers it like it was yesterday. These are not 532 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: thoughts and experiences that are easily forgotten. People often dread 533 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: the day they ever saw a shadow people or hat Man. 534 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,680 Speaker 1: It's as if they have a deep seated fear that 535 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 1: it will ever come back into their lives, as if 536 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: to just haunt them. That always blows my mind, how 537 00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:29,359 Speaker 1: these come back to haunt people and the detail that 538 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: they recall, I mean imperial mustache, Wow, Hamburg hat. That's 539 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:42,200 Speaker 1: uh yeah, pretty amazing stuff. Alright. So my next email 540 00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,399 Speaker 1: that I have here to share with you all this 541 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: comes from a gentleman that says, dear Heidie, I've had 542 00:38:54,480 --> 00:39:02,439 Speaker 1: experiences with shadow men, astro projections, succubus, paralysis, shape shifters, 543 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: and one time a hat man. They all appear to 544 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,920 Speaker 1: happen sporadically throughout my life. They seem to even appear 545 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: during a time of great sin in my life for 546 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: a stronger closeness to Christ. It's interesting during my first 547 00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,720 Speaker 1: marriage of life was going through huge ups and downs 548 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:31,400 Speaker 1: regarding sin. I struggled with adultery, and I attempted to 549 00:39:31,719 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: thwart this evil sin by trying to cast out demons 550 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:42,239 Speaker 1: I wish I had not. I recall stepping outside and 551 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:47,360 Speaker 1: smelling a smell of sulfur that I believe I was 552 00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: the only one who smelled it. I saw that as 553 00:39:51,200 --> 00:39:55,000 Speaker 1: a sign that I was winning a spiritual battle against 554 00:39:55,200 --> 00:40:00,600 Speaker 1: evil principalities. But I'm not sure. I think what I 555 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:06,640 Speaker 1: did was tick off these entities. Oh no, So one 556 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: night after committing adultery, the same night the hat Man 557 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,000 Speaker 1: appeared at my door in front of a bright red 558 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: background while I was still asleep. Like others have noted, 559 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:22,520 Speaker 1: just like the cover of your book, The hat Man, 560 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,759 Speaker 1: it felt like my body was lying asleep and the 561 00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,920 Speaker 1: spirit part of me was being sucked towards this dark figure. 562 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: I would pray till I would wake up and escape 563 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,480 Speaker 1: the grips of this intense fear that his appearance would cause. 564 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,600 Speaker 1: Each time after I would wake up with this, my 565 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:49,440 Speaker 1: ex wife would ask for a divorce, which would then 566 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:53,200 Speaker 1: cause the turmoil that I now feel today with my family. 567 00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,759 Speaker 1: To speed up the story, I had an encounter while 568 00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:01,479 Speaker 1: at my father's house about a month later with a 569 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,479 Speaker 1: quote shadow man who, for the first time in many 570 00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: years of having experiences with shadow people, this one hurt me. 571 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: This figure literally reached out and choked me mhm. The 572 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 1: next day, my ex wife and I got in a 573 00:41:24,840 --> 00:41:30,520 Speaker 1: situation where she lied on a police report to get 574 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 1: me arrested. Unluckily enough for me, the arresting police officer 575 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: would corroborate with the lie by altering the testimony of 576 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: a direct eye witness. This was used in divorce court 577 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:55,480 Speaker 1: to remove my guardianship of my kids. So I was 578 00:41:55,600 --> 00:42:00,839 Speaker 1: essentially driven away from visiting my children. During this time, 579 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:04,399 Speaker 1: the kids would go to a psychiatrist to cope with 580 00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:09,239 Speaker 1: their father not being in the home. My oldest, who 581 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: at the time was just seven years old, spoke of 582 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,520 Speaker 1: a shadow man who would whisper in her ear and 583 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:23,000 Speaker 1: tell her that it would kill her family. I only 584 00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: received this information much later through written reports. I also 585 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: know that my ex wife started having shadow people encounters. 586 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:40,000 Speaker 1: I know this is a lot, but do you know 587 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: of sightings getting passed down to offspring. I know the 588 00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:51,640 Speaker 1: extreme fears that these entities can strike into people. It's 589 00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: just not fair from my children to now have to 590 00:42:55,560 --> 00:43:01,759 Speaker 1: experience these horrible things. I have a ton more stories. 591 00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,920 Speaker 1: I could send them to you later, but I'm really 592 00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: needing to know. Thank you anonymous. Wow. You know you 593 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:16,080 Speaker 1: guys you can send these to me anonymously too, And 594 00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:18,160 Speaker 1: if you just want your first name used or no 595 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,320 Speaker 1: name at all, you just let me know. But Wow, 596 00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,480 Speaker 1: what a story. Uh? You know, I have to tell 597 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:31,440 Speaker 1: you there is this element of passing down through the 598 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,960 Speaker 1: generations where whole families have reached out to me to 599 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,440 Speaker 1: say Wow, me too, me too, me too. Why is 600 00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: this happening. What is going on here? And when you 601 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:48,640 Speaker 1: hear this person's story and they talk about succubus, sleep paralysis, 602 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:52,759 Speaker 1: shape shifters, and hat man, I don't know what the 603 00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,920 Speaker 1: shadow men, what that may be, if that's like what 604 00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:59,600 Speaker 1: I consider to be the head and shoulder shadow or what. 605 00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:06,279 Speaker 1: But they're all related, believe it or not. Sucupists, sleep paralysis, 606 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 1: shadow people, that hat man. They like to keep you 607 00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: pinned down and not able to move and giving off 608 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:18,719 Speaker 1: this horrific feeling and speaking of the terror, and to 609 00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,759 Speaker 1: think that such a young child would have to experience 610 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:28,839 Speaker 1: this and for this dad to feel responsible. I've had 611 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: people tell me over the years, you know, sins of 612 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:33,760 Speaker 1: the father. Of course this gets passed down to your kids, 613 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 1: like rightfully so or unfortunately so. And I beg to 614 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:44,600 Speaker 1: differ on that these things tend to dwell in areas 615 00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:50,040 Speaker 1: as well as go after certain people. So just like myself, 616 00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:54,440 Speaker 1: I happened to see one of these things on my friend. 617 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,400 Speaker 1: Next thing I know, didn't take any time it was 618 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 1: on me, So did one of the children. Happen to 619 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:07,640 Speaker 1: see what you were experiencing, didn't just go by the room. 620 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,080 Speaker 1: And one of the kids reacted, or all of them reacted, 621 00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,880 Speaker 1: or your wife reacted. And like I say, shadow people 622 00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 1: really don't like to be seen. Hat Man is a 623 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: different story. But shadow people, if they see that you see, 624 00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: they may come right at you and it may be really, 625 00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:31,640 Speaker 1: really abrupt in your face. So to say it's your 626 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: fault directly, probably indirectly if that was a situation. But 627 00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:45,640 Speaker 1: there is this element of people who have experienced aliens. Yes, 628 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:51,600 Speaker 1: I said aliens. Those get passed down the line of 629 00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:55,760 Speaker 1: the family, and so do shadow people at times because 630 00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: they're attached and interconnected with the alien phenomena. It's a 631 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: long story, but they are. So if it goes that way, yeah, yeah, 632 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:09,680 Speaker 1: it can be connected in that direction as well. But 633 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: what is it? What's the element? A lot of people 634 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,640 Speaker 1: want to make a thick read of things to find 635 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,799 Speaker 1: out all the elements that may lead and connect, you know, 636 00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,759 Speaker 1: the who, what, when, and why. You know it may 637 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: be a puzzle that you'll never ever get to solve. 638 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,880 Speaker 1: So I tell people what's important is today right now? 639 00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,799 Speaker 1: You deal with it as it has appeared to you, 640 00:46:34,760 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 1: and that is a matter of putting your ethereal foot 641 00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 1: of the backside of this darkness. To send it on 642 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,239 Speaker 1: its way. But unfortunately, you're in this situation where you've 643 00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:48,080 Speaker 1: got the separation between you and your children and and 644 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,680 Speaker 1: here's your ex wife also experiencing this. So there's like 645 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:56,040 Speaker 1: this oppression going on. And if they're not seeking some 646 00:46:56,239 --> 00:47:00,200 Speaker 1: enlightenment to sprinkle some light on the topic and order 647 00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:03,759 Speaker 1: to push it out, then they've got a problem. But 648 00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:08,600 Speaker 1: whatever tie, whatever button got pushed to get this attachment 649 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:12,120 Speaker 1: going on, it can be undone. It is not the 650 00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:16,680 Speaker 1: end all, and a lot of people sadly feel because 651 00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:20,200 Speaker 1: they've experienced something for such a long time that this 652 00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: is it there is nothing else that they can do 653 00:47:22,800 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: about it. But there is, there is, And I encourage 654 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: you to find a way to reach out to your 655 00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: kids somehow if it's possible, If like ever in the future, 656 00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 1: there's a method that's going to be presented to you 657 00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:44,759 Speaker 1: to get that opportunity to shed some light that this 658 00:47:44,840 --> 00:47:46,919 Speaker 1: can be ended, and it could be ended for you. 659 00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:51,280 Speaker 1: It starts with you. And I tell people, these dark 660 00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: things do really like to come when your guard is 661 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:56,960 Speaker 1: down or when you're doing bad things. You called it 662 00:47:57,080 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: sin uh static negativity, any kind of build up in 663 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 1: your life that's going on that is something that they 664 00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:10,440 Speaker 1: feed upon, So you need to clear that out and 665 00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,440 Speaker 1: bless your space, and I'll tell you a little bit 666 00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: more about that after the break. You're listening to the 667 00:48:17,520 --> 00:48:20,080 Speaker 1: Darker Side of Life with me Heidi Hollis on the 668 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,640 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a M Paranormal 669 00:48:22,680 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. 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And now back to Heidi 680 00:49:41,960 --> 00:50:00,439 Speaker 1: Hollis and the Darker Side of Life. Well come back. 681 00:50:00,520 --> 00:50:02,799 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Darker Side of Life with me, 682 00:50:02,960 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 1: Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to 683 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:10,319 Speaker 1: Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. And to finish up, with 684 00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,240 Speaker 1: the email that I was addressing just prior to the break. 685 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:18,840 Speaker 1: When I say to bless your space to protect yourself, 686 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:24,040 Speaker 1: that is what I mean, because these things do like 687 00:50:24,200 --> 00:50:26,919 Speaker 1: to come when you're down, when you're sad, or when 688 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,880 Speaker 1: you're asleep. So how better to protect yourself than to 689 00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:36,799 Speaker 1: put up a guard. So whatever your faith is, go 690 00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,720 Speaker 1: corner to corner in your living space and take care 691 00:50:40,760 --> 00:50:47,760 Speaker 1: of that and bless it. Now getting to my next email, 692 00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: This one is a fascinating one. It says, Dear Heidi, 693 00:50:52,320 --> 00:50:54,600 Speaker 1: I saw hat Man when I was younger in a 694 00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:58,400 Speaker 1: reflection in a window at night. He was coming down 695 00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,360 Speaker 1: the stairs into the liver room around the same time. 696 00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:06,360 Speaker 1: I also saw great aliens in my nightmare for it 697 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 1: slash dream, and I couldn't scream. Hmm. I've also seen 698 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,600 Speaker 1: a white mist move around inside the house at the 699 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:21,399 Speaker 1: same time. Ethereal voices being heard answering for me, as 700 00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:26,319 Speaker 1: if it was me calling out. And I admit I 701 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,480 Speaker 1: was interested in Satanism in my late teens. And I 702 00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:36,160 Speaker 1: believe I have seen Lucifer for at least a split 703 00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: second looking at me while wearing a white robe. He 704 00:51:40,200 --> 00:51:44,239 Speaker 1: had folded wings that almost looked angelic and it was 705 00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:50,399 Speaker 1: outside my home with sun glare all around him. Then 706 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,600 Speaker 1: once when I was on a holiday in Mexico with 707 00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:56,720 Speaker 1: my family, we are sharing a room with my niece 708 00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:02,319 Speaker 1: and she said she saw a big year standing at 709 00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,960 Speaker 1: the end of my bed, not moving, and it was 710 00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: on the same day as the day of the Dead festival. 711 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:17,760 Speaker 1: My most recent experience was visiting this white, heavenly realm 712 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,440 Speaker 1: with angelic beings. I could fly and felt protected, and 713 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,280 Speaker 1: I didn't want to leave. They even opened a circle 714 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:31,839 Speaker 1: and I could see city lights from high above, right 715 00:52:31,920 --> 00:52:35,920 Speaker 1: over the earth. That's when they sent me back and 716 00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,520 Speaker 1: I woke up with a very deep breath, and I 717 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:45,000 Speaker 1: felt really sad because I didn't want to leave. This 718 00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:49,120 Speaker 1: actually might have been a near death experience from severe 719 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:56,840 Speaker 1: sleep apnea. I feel like these experiences maybe related. Have 720 00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:02,279 Speaker 1: you heard of similar situations? Thank you so much. This 721 00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:07,279 Speaker 1: is anonymous. Wow, you know a lot of people. I 722 00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:10,359 Speaker 1: don't know if they always realize that these things are 723 00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:15,960 Speaker 1: indeed related, but good on this person to figure it out. Yeah. 724 00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,160 Speaker 1: I think all of these things are related. I feel 725 00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:24,719 Speaker 1: that deeply, and not just because it's something I've personally 726 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:28,600 Speaker 1: come to the understanding with because of my own experiences, 727 00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:33,520 Speaker 1: but because of the many hundreds and thousands of emails 728 00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: I've received over the years that have also shown that 729 00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:43,719 Speaker 1: interlacing of experiences. Sometimes yeah, they're kind of back to 730 00:53:43,760 --> 00:53:47,480 Speaker 1: back these something comes in the door and as it's leaving, 731 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,760 Speaker 1: something else is coming in. And sometimes these are years apart. 732 00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,799 Speaker 1: And always is amazing to me when people can put 733 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,840 Speaker 1: two and two together to figure it out, like, wow, 734 00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,160 Speaker 1: this is this is I'm the same thing. So I'm 735 00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,239 Speaker 1: really impressed. But I'll tell you when it comes to 736 00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:12,160 Speaker 1: those who have witnessed what you're saying, here is the 737 00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: hat Man an alien connection? Majorly, I have had people 738 00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:24,120 Speaker 1: contact me who have seen gray alien beings right next 739 00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:29,280 Speaker 1: to hat Man and other phenomena right next to him, 740 00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:32,800 Speaker 1: as if he's kind of the epitome of these things 741 00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:38,720 Speaker 1: going on, or he directs what's going on, so shadow 742 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:43,600 Speaker 1: people they're also connected to hat Man, almost like a 743 00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:47,480 Speaker 1: minion of a sort working for him. So when I 744 00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:55,480 Speaker 1: have received some of these wild encounters describing hat Man 745 00:54:56,360 --> 00:55:01,760 Speaker 1: next to an alien being, it's inter saying how sometimes 746 00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: the hat Man looks even more alien at the time, 747 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:12,120 Speaker 1: So is it him mimicking or mocking what the alien 748 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:15,879 Speaker 1: beings look like, or does he generally have that kind 749 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:21,640 Speaker 1: of look, because in all honesty, there's different variations of 750 00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:26,240 Speaker 1: what he appears as things have changed over the years. 751 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: In fact, because there is to be a pretty general 752 00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 1: consensus of what hat Man looked like. If he stepped 753 00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:35,799 Speaker 1: out of the shadows. He generally did have a rather 754 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 1: pointy chin. His eyes were really distinctive and solid black, 755 00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 1: much like an alien being, but they could also be 756 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:48,000 Speaker 1: read if he was in the shadows. So when people 757 00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:53,080 Speaker 1: have come forward to say these different variations of him 758 00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:56,520 Speaker 1: that oh, gosh, you know he's he kind of looked 759 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,759 Speaker 1: like this, or his hair looked a little curly, or 760 00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: something had changed, the phenomenon is starting to shift. It 761 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:08,600 Speaker 1: is changing, and as it changes, I'm keeping apprized of 762 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,040 Speaker 1: it because of people like this person writing to me 763 00:56:12,320 --> 00:56:17,879 Speaker 1: about what it is they're experiencing, and those who are 764 00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,600 Speaker 1: getting really close to hat Man. Let's put it that way, 765 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:26,440 Speaker 1: people who are really getting close to him and are 766 00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 1: taking note of some of the things he's saying. Is 767 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:35,920 Speaker 1: changing of his attitude, the changing of his clothes, the 768 00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:40,120 Speaker 1: way he takes people and pulls them into other realities. 769 00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:46,359 Speaker 1: It's all kind of shifting around. So yeah, there's a 770 00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:53,520 Speaker 1: lot that's connected to hat Man, including ghosts, including aliens, 771 00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:02,719 Speaker 1: the Old Hag, shadow people, and I always say what 772 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,960 Speaker 1: connects them? Well, darkness is darkness? Right. I don't know 773 00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: much honor among thieves, but there does seem to be 774 00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:14,120 Speaker 1: one that's more in charge, and that is the hat Man. 775 00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:19,320 Speaker 1: So I am finding that indeed, there is an agenda 776 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:23,560 Speaker 1: that they share, there is a motivation, and they do 777 00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:27,160 Speaker 1: similar things when we think about it, think about alien beings, 778 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 1: what do they do? They cause paralysis? Do they not? 779 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:35,160 Speaker 1: They kind of make you feel helpless, And a lot 780 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,680 Speaker 1: of people who have been abducted, they'll talk about being 781 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 1: shown these different types of nightmares and when they open 782 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,000 Speaker 1: their eyes they see it's a gray alien being with 783 00:57:44,040 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 1: this weird, pointy like wand touching their forehead giving them 784 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:52,880 Speaker 1: these nightmares. So why is that? Why is that? And 785 00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:56,840 Speaker 1: then the Old Hag pinning people down, incupus succupus. It's 786 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:02,040 Speaker 1: just so many elements that go into these phenomena, and 787 00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,960 Speaker 1: they're similar. They're really similar if you really look into 788 00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 1: it and you really think about it, and it gets 789 00:58:08,560 --> 00:58:13,200 Speaker 1: people to have a similar reaction. It's all about fear, 790 00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,560 Speaker 1: and it's all about them feeding off the fear of 791 00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: the alien beings. What are they doing? They're they're giving 792 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,120 Speaker 1: to you these scenarios of somebody's child getting killed and 793 00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,160 Speaker 1: and and what takes place during that, and you're just like, 794 00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:28,920 Speaker 1: you're horrified, Oh my gosh, this happened to my child, 795 00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,080 Speaker 1: and you're pouring out all of this, this horrific grief, 796 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,240 Speaker 1: and then as it subsides, you wake up from the 797 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,240 Speaker 1: dream and you see there's an alien being there. I've 798 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,000 Speaker 1: had people write me who have had shadow people pinning 799 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,640 Speaker 1: them down and and they're just freaking out to the 800 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:48,360 Speaker 1: furthest extent of what they can freak out at. And 801 00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,240 Speaker 1: then when they feel like they are just going to 802 00:58:50,400 --> 00:58:54,840 Speaker 1: die and they give up, guess what, it lets them 803 00:58:54,840 --> 00:58:58,440 Speaker 1: go like it's fed as far as it can feed, 804 00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 1: and then it just lets them go. Hat Man he 805 00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:07,880 Speaker 1: does something similar. He will pull a person their soul 806 00:59:08,000 --> 00:59:11,440 Speaker 1: from their body, laughing about it at their panic, like 807 00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,680 Speaker 1: did you just do that? Did you just do that? 808 00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:15,520 Speaker 1: How do you have permission to do this to me? 809 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,880 Speaker 1: And he's laughing, and he threatens, and he threatens to 810 00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:22,760 Speaker 1: a level that gets a person to feel like This 811 00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:27,360 Speaker 1: is like the worst case scenario right here. What could 812 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:30,280 Speaker 1: be so awful in me to have this thing come 813 00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:34,400 Speaker 1: into my life doing this to me right now? And 814 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:38,600 Speaker 1: right when they give up, he lets them go to 815 00:59:38,800 --> 00:59:42,960 Speaker 1: feed another day, to terrorize them another day, to amp 816 00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:47,200 Speaker 1: up his attacks. And that's what all of these things 817 00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 1: seem to do when you think about it, right, and 818 00:59:50,360 --> 00:59:53,440 Speaker 1: what is it? What is it with the ghostly phenomena? 819 00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,440 Speaker 1: Some people can feel paralyzed with those things too. But 820 00:59:56,520 --> 01:00:00,680 Speaker 1: if you think about it, every haunting as a shadow 821 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:06,280 Speaker 1: people behind it. Every haunting has a shadow people behind it. 822 01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,360 Speaker 1: Just think about that any show that you've ever seen, 823 01:00:09,400 --> 01:00:11,360 Speaker 1: and they'll call it by that name too, by the way, 824 01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,640 Speaker 1: they'll call it shadow people. And that comes from my 825 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,280 Speaker 1: research and writings and books and lectures all on these 826 01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:28,600 Speaker 1: topics they are behind holding these various ghosts spirits within 827 01:00:28,640 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: a location. Mind blowing. So yeah, it's all related and 828 01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:40,920 Speaker 1: it's very similar. So how do we get past this? Well, 829 01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:44,160 Speaker 1: that's what this show is all about. We need to 830 01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:48,120 Speaker 1: start sharing with each other and telling each other what's 831 01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,960 Speaker 1: going on in our homes because just like this prior 832 01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:55,120 Speaker 1: email here where the dad was experiencing these horrific things, 833 01:00:55,120 --> 01:00:57,360 Speaker 1: and then he gets separated from his kids and his 834 01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,400 Speaker 1: ex wife and they're experiencing it, and he wishes that 835 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:03,560 Speaker 1: he could reach out, like you know, he feels guilty. 836 01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:06,040 Speaker 1: Is it's me? What do I do? So he reaches 837 01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,240 Speaker 1: out to me and he's looking for answers. How does 838 01:01:08,280 --> 01:01:10,960 Speaker 1: he get these answers to his very young children and 839 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,160 Speaker 1: his ex wife to try to get rid of this darkness? 840 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:16,600 Speaker 1: We have to start talking about this stuff as it's happening, 841 01:01:17,120 --> 01:01:19,720 Speaker 1: because as we hold off, these things build up and 842 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:23,760 Speaker 1: they stretch out, and they get in. They infest other 843 01:01:23,840 --> 01:01:28,800 Speaker 1: people's lives, whether in our families, are coworkers or people 844 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,240 Speaker 1: that just bump into them the way that I did. 845 01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,280 Speaker 1: They're very much parasitic in the way that they go 846 01:01:34,320 --> 01:01:38,000 Speaker 1: about this that there there's a contagion element to it 847 01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:44,960 Speaker 1: as well. I have had friends. Family doesn't seem to matter. Unfortunately, 848 01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,960 Speaker 1: get these things going after them because if they're afraid 849 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:52,280 Speaker 1: to come talk to me because oh my gosh, heid 850 01:01:52,320 --> 01:01:55,360 Speaker 1: he might get something on me. It isolates me, It 851 01:01:55,360 --> 01:02:00,760 Speaker 1: oppresses me, depresses and then possesses. It break people down, 852 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,800 Speaker 1: It breaks families down. This is the process, and it 853 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:11,080 Speaker 1: feeds on all of that. Why why not? This is 854 01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:17,280 Speaker 1: what it's after, power control. It's building an army, and 855 01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,920 Speaker 1: it's placing its bets that we do not figure it out. 856 01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:24,600 Speaker 1: But I've got the download on them and I'm willing 857 01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:29,160 Speaker 1: to share. So you guys are definitely welcome to share 858 01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:31,840 Speaker 1: anything and everything out of the ordinary with me, and 859 01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:34,640 Speaker 1: we will put it out there and we will address 860 01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:40,600 Speaker 1: it and get down to it because knowledge gives us power, right, 861 01:02:41,840 --> 01:02:45,160 Speaker 1: and that is what this show is about. We are 862 01:02:45,240 --> 01:02:48,040 Speaker 1: going to give the power back to the people individually. 863 01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:54,680 Speaker 1: Strengthen your faith, put some light in your life, speak 864 01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:58,920 Speaker 1: positivity into your life, and that will get you out 865 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:03,440 Speaker 1: of the darker side of life. That is the goal. 866 01:03:04,360 --> 01:03:08,040 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. It can be done, no matter what 867 01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:11,520 Speaker 1: it seems, no matter how long you've been experiencing what 868 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,800 Speaker 1: it is that you've been experiencing. There is always always 869 01:03:15,880 --> 01:03:19,600 Speaker 1: a way out. And I can guarantee and promise you 870 01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:23,800 Speaker 1: that there is always help at every level of what's 871 01:03:23,840 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 1: going on in your life with these darker things. Okay, 872 01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:32,640 Speaker 1: reach out to me. Go to my main website Heidi 873 01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 1: Hollis dot com. H E I D I H O 874 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:41,080 Speaker 1: L L I S dot com. And please join me 875 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:45,600 Speaker 1: next time. Where a couple tells of their ongoing Poultergeist activity, 876 01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,120 Speaker 1: where notes and symbols are scribbled on paper, as hat 877 01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Man shows up in their lives, wreaking havoc, and just 878 01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,280 Speaker 1: as they share their experiences. I welcome all of you 879 01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:01,880 Speaker 1: to share your experiences as well. And the longer your 880 01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:06,120 Speaker 1: email the better, because the more details we get, the 881 01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:09,600 Speaker 1: better we can all understand and relate to what's going on. 882 01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:13,640 Speaker 1: This can be done, people, I'm not giving up, so 883 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,680 Speaker 1: you don't give up. All right, So you've been listening 884 01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:20,680 Speaker 1: to the Darker Side of Life with me Heidi Hollis 885 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,800 Speaker 1: on the I Heart Radio at Coast to Coast, a 886 01:04:22,960 --> 01:05:03,720 Speaker 1: m paranormal podcast network. Yeah, well, if you like this 887 01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,880 Speaker 1: episode of the Darker Side of Life, wait till you 888 01:05:06,920 --> 01:05:09,800 Speaker 1: hear the next one. Thank you for listening to the 889 01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast, a M paranormal 890 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,000 Speaker 1: podcast network. M