1 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: And just like that, we're back. I'm Josh Pate. 2 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 2: This is the Late Kick Extra podcast for Tuesday morning, afternoon. 3 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:17,200 Speaker 1: Maybe even evening. 4 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't care how you live your 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: life out there, as long as you're listening. But it 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,400 Speaker 2: is the Year of our Lord twenty twenty one. Regardless 7 00:00:23,440 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: of what day or time you choose to listen. We 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 2: got a load to college football mail bag for you 9 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 2: this morning. We do this thing every Tuesday and every Thursday. 10 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 2: Josh pat seven zero six at gmail dot com. That's 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: one way that you can submit your question or comments. 12 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:38,800 Speaker 2: I get a lot of those two and I appreciate them. 13 00:00:39,000 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: You can also DM me on Twitter or on Instagram 14 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 2: at Late Kick Josh. And let me tell you, I 15 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 2: need to give a big thank you to some of 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,960 Speaker 2: the Instagram accounts out there. Some of you had sizeable 17 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:51,559 Speaker 2: college football Instagram accounts, and some of you guys have 18 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: given my page shout outs. I mean, mine's pretty brand new. 19 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:56,400 Speaker 2: I've only really been messing around with Instagram for a 20 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 2: few months, and you've been putting it in your stories. 21 00:00:58,560 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 2: You've been directing your followers over to mine, giving me 22 00:01:01,360 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: a bunch of follows. So I really appreciate that, and 23 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,800 Speaker 2: any of you who do that, I really appreciate that. 24 00:01:06,840 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: And let me just put it this way, I will remember, 25 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 2: much like Sarah McLaughlin saying, once upon a decade, I 26 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: will remember you because you remembered me. So I changed 27 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 2: the lyrics up there a little bit. But in all sincerity, 28 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:21,039 Speaker 2: any of you who do that, I don't care if 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 2: you've got fifty followers or fifty million. 30 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:23,520 Speaker 1: Thank you for that. 31 00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: It really bleeds back into how we handle things here 32 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 2: at Late Kick. It's kind of communal and nature. It's 33 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: something that you can afford to do when you do 34 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 2: the show the way that I do the show and 35 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 2: the way we do the show. In fact, you rarely 36 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: hear me say the word I because I want it. 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: To be we. 38 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 2: It would be stupid if this show were about me. 39 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:42,760 Speaker 2: It would be stupid if this show was just me. 40 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 2: So that's why I have the most fun when we 41 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: do those Late Kick Show Owners Association meetings where I 42 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: get like thirty or forty of you in there instead 43 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: of just listening to myself talk. If you haven't listened 44 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:55,800 Speaker 2: to that already, by the way, the show Owners Association meeting, 45 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: make sure you listen to that. 46 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: That full nearly two hours. 47 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: Is also on the YouTube channel that is twenty four 48 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 2: to seven Sports if you're trying to find that on YouTube. 49 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 1: For the first time. 50 00:02:04,600 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: So we got a loaded mail bag this morning. I 51 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 2: got some other stuff to get to, but I'll kind 52 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:11,800 Speaker 2: of weave it into the tapestry of this morning's podcast. 53 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 2: As you can tell by the way I'm recording in 54 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 2: the morning. 55 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 1: Still got that. 56 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:19,679 Speaker 2: Slight sinus sy nasally feel. I've chugged some caffeine. Here, 57 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 2: got the hot water, the lemon, the honey and all that. 58 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: It doesn't work. Don't listen to any of it. It 59 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: doesn't work. So whatever I know, you'll listen. Anyway, let's go. 60 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 2: Auto leads us off for how long would you say 61 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 2: a fan base could reasonably bask in the glow of 62 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:38,079 Speaker 2: winning a championship before aggravation sets in? Similar success has 63 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 2: yet to be repeated. Of course, this is assuming the 64 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 2: team does not repeat as champs two years. Auto, that's 65 00:02:44,240 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 2: my answer. Two years. Let's just use LSU. LSU had 66 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: a season for the Ages in twenty nineteen, they had 67 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: a season to forget in twenty twenty. Well, let's just 68 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 2: ask our LSU listeners. Let's ask our LSU viewers when 69 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 2: we do the show on YouTube, are you guys still basking? 70 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 2: You still remember it? You're probably watching replays of that 71 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 2: game every other day, at least I know I would 72 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:05,920 Speaker 2: be if I were you guys. But think about it, 73 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 2: think it out loud. Pretend you're an LSU fan, even 74 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 2: if you're not. Last year understandable, and forget about COVID, 75 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:15,239 Speaker 2: forget about all the externals. Let's just pretend like last 76 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 2: year was a normal year from a format standpoint, but 77 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 2: you still had the same underwhelming results on the field. 78 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,720 Speaker 2: Last year, no one and I mean no one was 79 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 2: looking and saying, forget twenty nineteen, it's twenty twenty. We 80 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 2: ain't getting the job done. We got to get this 81 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 2: entire staff out of here. We got a clean house. 82 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: And if someone was saying that they were the radical, 83 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 2: radical minority. But now that we move into twenty twenty one, 84 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: I think that number it may not be at fifty percent. 85 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: Certainly of the fan base, well, I don't know. I 86 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 2: will helpfully say that the portion of the fan base 87 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:48,119 Speaker 2: that now fills twenty twenty one is when they need 88 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: to see something, it is sizable it's a whole lot bigger, 89 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 2: obviously than it was last year. So Otto, I think 90 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:54,720 Speaker 2: that's what we're looking at here. We're looking at the 91 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: fact that a national title buys you near complete immunity 92 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: for one year. That's if you don't have some off 93 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 2: field stuff go down. And that's kind of been the 94 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: case with LSU so And I'm not saying anything's been 95 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: proven or anything's come out here or there definitively, I'm 96 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 2: just saying that's been the backdrop. 97 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:14,600 Speaker 1: That's been the kind of the haze. 98 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: The smoke that you can smell but you can't see 99 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: the fire around here. So they've been kind of whispering 100 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: about that, But it really all goes back to inability. 101 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 1: To perform on the field last year. 102 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: But as long as you got twenty nineteen to fall 103 00:04:27,120 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 2: back on, nothing bad's gonna happen to you in twenty 104 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 2: twenty Otto, I would say two years. I would say 105 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. If you did it in twenty nineteen 106 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, that's when that aggravation can really start 107 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:38,680 Speaker 2: to set in. Because LSU was a five hundred team 108 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 2: last year, what if they went five hundred again this year? 109 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: If they went six and six this year. 110 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 2: I don't know that Ed Orison run's back in twenty 111 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 2: twenty two. And by the way, you know, for those 112 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 2: who may be newer to this podcast, that's not stuff 113 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 2: I say very often. I don't do the hot take stuff. 114 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 2: That's not me looking to put a headline out there 115 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: that one of our desk riders can get seven hundred 116 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 2: and fifty words on, although it does kind of work 117 00:05:01,640 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 2: that way. Sometimes I am dead serious when I say that. 118 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: I'm dead serious. That's how a lot of people feel 119 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: down there. And I don't just mean around town. I 120 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 2: don't just mean on the quad. I'm talking about internally, 121 00:05:13,960 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: like I think people inside LSU in some cases, if 122 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 2: I were to toss on that hypothetical, you guys go 123 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: six and six this year, who's the head coach in 124 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, I don't know that they're readily saying Ed, oh, Ed, Yeah, Ed, 125 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 2: it'll still be Ed. I don't think we'd hear that 126 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 2: at all. I think you'd hear a long pause. And 127 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:31,359 Speaker 2: if I had a group of ten of them in 128 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 2: the room, I think someone would eventually say I don't 129 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 2: think he'd be here, and then four others would shake 130 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: their head, yep, I agree, and then the remaining room 131 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: would say, oh, at the very least, I'm conflicted on this. 132 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 2: But you know what, if that's the way the rest 133 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 2: of the room thinks, I'd tend to lean that way. 134 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be here. 135 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: You'd probably get eighty percent consensus for eighties high or 136 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 2: maybe sixty five. Let's go sixty five percent consensus among 137 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 2: people inside and or close to the LSU football program 138 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: or athletic department that make a move and that have 139 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 2: a new guy in charge by twenty twenty two, of course, 140 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 2: and I want to. 141 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,719 Speaker 1: Hit the break pedal right there. Break. 142 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 2: Of course, they could also go eleven and one this 143 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 2: year and win the West. You know, that could happen. 144 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 2: That could happen. Or they could go eight and four, 145 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 2: and then a lot of people are aggravated. OTTO, but 146 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:19,720 Speaker 2: eight and four may not be good enough to get 147 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: that sixty five percent super majority on your side. Not 148 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 2: that you always need a super majority, but in this case, 149 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:27,680 Speaker 2: I think that there would be a lot of credence 150 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 2: lent to the overwhelming support or pushback from the fan base, 151 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: and then people closer to the program inside the Purple 152 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 2: and gold sphere, so to speak. Good question, though, interesting question, 153 00:06:38,720 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: and auto the end of that answer. Maybe it just 154 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: varies program to program. I mean, that's also true. Let's 155 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 2: go to Benny. Benny says, this isn't criticism, so please 156 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: don't take it that way. I'm genuinely curious. How do 157 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 2: you decide which teams to talk about any given show, 158 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 2: and why are some constantly in the rotation when others 159 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 2: barely get a mentioned once a month or so. Benny, 160 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 2: I don't care if you size me, but I do 161 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: appreciate you saying that this isn't criticism. 162 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:04,039 Speaker 1: So here's how this works. 163 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: Benny, I could stack a show for me all day, 164 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 2: and I'd probably talk about a lot of teams that 165 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 2: the vast majority of you don't care about. If I 166 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: were to stack this show strictly based on my interest, 167 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 2: we would talk about a lot of teams, way more 168 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: than we typically touch on around here. What I do instead, 169 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 2: is I stacked the show for you. So I tell 170 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 2: you guys this all the time. It's not a marketing slogan. 171 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 2: It's reality. You run the show. You run all these shows. 172 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 2: You don't just run the show owners association meetings. You 173 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 2: don't just run this Q and A. You run Late 174 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 2: Kick Live, you run all the stuff I do. So 175 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: what I'm doing, Bennie is I'm simply aggregating your feedback. 176 00:07:39,680 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: Now. 177 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 2: Fortunately for us, we have a big enough audience now 178 00:07:42,440 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 2: to where we get a really good read. It's not anecdotal, 179 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: it's not case by case. It's not like on Twitter 180 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 2: sometimes if you had fifty seven followers and you ran 181 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 2: a poll, you could get ninety five percent to five 182 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: percent results on something just cost ten people decided to 183 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 2: flood your poll. We got a big enough audience now 184 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 2: to where that doesn't happen, and we can get a 185 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: really good gauge on which fan bases are tuned in, 186 00:08:04,480 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: which fan bases are more well represented within our audience. 187 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 2: Now that doesn't mean we're not always trying to expand it. 188 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 2: But any given episode, I always tell our staff our 189 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: energy flows where your attention goes by your I mean 190 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 2: the audience. And so if you're asking us a whole 191 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 2: lot about Tennessee, let's say I'm putting Tennessee in the 192 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 2: show even if they are a bad program. Right now, 193 00:08:25,520 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: I'm putting Tennessee in the show because you care. But 194 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: Here's what else I know. And this is something I 195 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 2: learned the hard way in doing radio and then TV 196 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: down in Columbus for a long time. And I knew 197 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 2: this as a listener and a viewer of radio and 198 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 2: TV sports, radio and TV myself. There is a way 199 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:43,920 Speaker 2: that you can talk about a program that Steve does 200 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 2: not pull for, that could interest Steve and draw him in. Okay, 201 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 2: if Steve is a Minnesota fan, it's really not that 202 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 2: hard to talk about Minnesota and interest Steve. But here's 203 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,079 Speaker 2: where the skill is. Here's where the talent is. Can 204 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: I talk about South Carolina and make Steve care about it? 205 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: Because there is no natural connection there. Steve has no 206 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 2: cousin that goes to South Carolina, and he's never been 207 00:09:04,360 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: to the state in his life. He certainly didn't grow 208 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:09,120 Speaker 2: up watching SEC football or anything like that. But I 209 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: can still interest him. How do I do that? 210 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:11,559 Speaker 1: Well? 211 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:14,120 Speaker 2: There are common parallels, there are common threads. There are 212 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 2: shared themes that are woven throughout the tapestry of this sport. Therefore, 213 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,000 Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter who you pull for. There are 214 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:25,280 Speaker 2: certain universally applicable themes that you can build shows around. 215 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 2: You can build segments around. It's called content mapping. We 216 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,040 Speaker 2: have a whole borderline science behind how we do it 217 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 2: and how we approach it, and it all boils down 218 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 2: to this, Benny. You know, if we're doing a national 219 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 2: college football show, which this is that we got to 220 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 2: focus on some of the big boys, disproportionate to some 221 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: of the third and fourth tier programs. 222 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: We still touch on him. 223 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 2: I try and get him in as much as I can, 224 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 2: but to be responsible to the audience as a whole. 225 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: Obviously I got to talk Alabama a pretty good bit. 226 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: Obviously we're going to talk about Texas or Ohio State 227 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 2: a pretty good bit. Having said that, Benny, here's the challenge. 228 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:02,440 Speaker 2: How do I format a show? How do I stack 229 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 2: a show and present a show where it draws you 230 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: in when I'm talking about someone you otherwise would not 231 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 2: care about. 232 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: That is the challenge. 233 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 2: That is where you separate yourself, hopefully from other brands, 234 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 2: other programs, other filling the blanks out there. I've done 235 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 2: some Zoom consultations recently with some of you who have 236 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: started your own podcast, some of you who have started 237 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 2: your own YouTube channels, and by the way, if you 238 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 2: want to schedule one of those, you can hit me 239 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 2: up joshpat seven zero six at gmail dot com. And 240 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 2: one of the biggest things we work on is, I 241 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,640 Speaker 2: pretend to be a fan of Arizona and I tell you, 242 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:37,679 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you thirty seconds in your mind 243 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: to come up with a two minute segment on Michigan. 244 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,720 Speaker 2: And I want you to present that Michigan segment in 245 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: a way that would interest me, the Arizona State fan. 246 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 2: And then we pause two minutes, and then I hit 247 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 2: go on the timer, and you talk two minutes, and 248 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: you see if it interests me as an Arizona State fan. Benny, 249 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: here's what I hope happens, and everyone else out there listening, 250 00:10:57,480 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 2: you can apply this to yourself just as well as 251 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Benny can hit is if I'm doing a half decent 252 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 2: job at what I do, you have found yourself before 253 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 2: listening to me talk about a team, or talk about 254 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 2: a coach, or talk about a subject that otherwise you 255 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 2: don't have all that big an interest in, and yet 256 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:15,240 Speaker 2: you've still been drawn in. If you listen to this 257 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:17,319 Speaker 2: show in any form, if you watch it on YouTube, 258 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 2: if you listen to it in the podcast, and we 259 00:11:19,800 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: can make you care about a subject for an extended 260 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 2: period of time that previously no one had made you 261 00:11:25,920 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 2: have an interest in. Then it's a really really good 262 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: job done. But I'll tell you what else it's doing. 263 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 2: And this is another little piece of advice because I 264 00:11:31,840 --> 00:11:33,440 Speaker 2: know a lot of you out there who are in 265 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 2: our industry. You listen because I talk to you all 266 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 2: the time behind the scenes. So just a little challenge 267 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 2: to you. That is what a professional can do. If 268 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 2: you claim to be a professional, if anyone's paying you 269 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: to do this stuff, how good are you at making 270 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 2: people care about the sport as opposed to just caring 271 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: about their team. It's a not up to them. Okay, 272 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: they don't show up obligated to listen to you talk 273 00:11:56,400 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 2: about fourteen different programs and three different topics that have 274 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: nothing to do with the team they root for. It's 275 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: up to you to be good enough. It's up to 276 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 2: you to present a strong enough product and be prepared enough, 277 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,600 Speaker 2: and be well read enough, and be creative enough to 278 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:12,280 Speaker 2: present it in a way where it appeals to them. 279 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: And if you have enough people in the space doing that, 280 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 2: if enough people are in the college football media space 281 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: doing that, guess what's happening to the game the game 282 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 2: is growing by default. The game is growing because you 283 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 2: have more people out there who have a better idea 284 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: about the sport as a whole. They have more feelings 285 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,839 Speaker 2: and opinions about the sport as a whole. That's a 286 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 2: very good thing. It's a very I had that happen 287 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: to me when I was younger, and so I always 288 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,800 Speaker 2: remembered that, and I always said, if I can ever 289 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 2: get a show of my own, if someone ever hands 290 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: me a microphone and turns that light on and lets 291 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,679 Speaker 2: me talk for them, let's me create for them, Let's me. 292 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 1: Present for them. 293 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to hopefully be able to do something that 294 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 2: appeals on a broad level, even though I'm not talking 295 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: about broad topics all the time. So, Benny, the answer 296 00:12:54,559 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 2: to the question, how do we decide which teams we 297 00:12:56,840 --> 00:12:59,040 Speaker 2: talk about a lot? It's the teams that you guys 298 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:01,679 Speaker 2: ask about the most. And I'm listening to you constantly. 299 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 2: I told you, as I've said a thousand times, if 300 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: we had a flood of emails demanding Utah Utes football talk, 301 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 2: I'd do it, but hopefully I would do it in 302 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: a way that made the Tennessee football fan at least 303 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 2: have some passing. 304 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: Interest in what I was saying. All right, let's roll on. 305 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 2: Heaw, I did not have a name on this when 306 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 2: this is from the podcast review section, and let me 307 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: pause and ask you. Five star reviews all the ways appreciated. 308 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to beg you at the front of 309 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 2: the podcast. You notice a lot of people do that sometimes. 310 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: If I'm listening to a podcast and they just beg 311 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: for five star reviews before they ever start talking, I 312 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,199 Speaker 2: just kind of turn it off, shamefully, but I kind 313 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: of do it. So I'm going to ask you like 314 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,160 Speaker 2: fifteen minutes in, so I've hidden it. It's like a 315 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 2: little East drag in here. The five star reviews are appreciated. 316 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 2: But the reason I'm mentioning them, aside from the obvious, 317 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 2: is you can also submit a well, it's designed for 318 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 2: you to submit a comment, but the way we work 319 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 2: it is, why don't you just put your question there 320 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 2: in the comment section and therefore I'll be sure to 321 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 2: see it. So someone did that. They didn't leave a name, 322 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 2: but here's what it said. I was listening to the 323 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 2: show owner's pod and I heard the saving replacement talk. Well, 324 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 2: my thoughts are, what about Billy napier ps. I listened 325 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 2: to the show while I rock climb. 326 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:11,960 Speaker 1: Now that was good. 327 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:14,719 Speaker 2: Let's work in reverse. Here he's listening or she, I 328 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 2: don't even know. It was a guy or a girl. 329 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't even know. 330 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 2: This person is listening to us as they rock climb. 331 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: That's the kind of life we all should be living. 332 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: Because I know some of you are listening right now 333 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: in your cubicle. It's after lunch, and I know, specifically 334 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: hundreds of you have told me you use this podcast 335 00:14:31,680 --> 00:14:32,920 Speaker 2: or the previous night's show. 336 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: You save it intentionally, and you. 337 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 2: Save it until after lunch because you find that it 338 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 2: bridges the gap between lunch and being able to clock 339 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: out at five or four whenever you guys get to 340 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: get off work. And I appreciate that that's all well 341 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 2: and good, But I know, good and well if one 342 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 2: of you sitting there right now and you just cranked 343 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 2: it up, and you're a couple of minutes in now 344 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 2: you still got food between your teeth. 345 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: Check it. 346 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 2: By the way, you get the mirror right there on 347 00:14:54,240 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: your desk, go ahead, check it. Check it turkey right there. 348 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 2: I told you. You're sitting there though, and you're listening 349 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,920 Speaker 2: to a guy talk about rock climbing while he's listening 350 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 2: to the same show you're stuck at a desk listening 351 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 2: to and you're asking yourself, how in the world did 352 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: I get to this desk when that guy is on 353 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 2: the face of a cliff somewhere, And I don't have 354 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 2: an answer for you. That wasn't necessarily the most encouraging 355 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 2: message in the world, But I you may be doing 356 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 2: wonderful work. You may be selling that guy insurance. So 357 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 2: everyone has their role, Everyone has their place in the machine. 358 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 2: Thank you for listening, though, and what I was going 359 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,840 Speaker 2: to say there is there is no feedback. I love 360 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 2: getting more than the listener testimonials letting me know where 361 00:15:30,960 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 2: you watch the show or letting me know where you 362 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 2: listen to the show, because it lets me know basically, 363 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 2: our audience is exactly what we want our audience to be. 364 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:40,320 Speaker 2: I don't get a whole lot of feedback from the 365 00:15:40,360 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 2: country clubs. And I appreciate if you're listening to me 366 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 2: at the country club, and God bless you if you 367 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: can afford to be at. 368 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: The country club. 369 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 2: But I got a ton of truck drivers who hit 370 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 2: me up. I got a bunch of folks who hit 371 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 2: me up talking about mowing their lawn and using the 372 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 2: show to fill the gap while they mow their lawn. 373 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: I got a guy climbing rocks. 374 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 2: I got a bunch of folks sitting in office buildings, 375 00:15:59,480 --> 00:16:01,520 Speaker 2: construct workers out the wazoo. 376 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: That is our audience. That is who you are. 377 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 2: A lot of you are in college, and so you 378 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: still don't even know where you're going to be headed. 379 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 2: We got a huge college audience. We got some folks 380 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 2: in high school that listen. 381 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you. 382 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:15,480 Speaker 2: Another hidden battle that goes on on the show right now. 383 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: We got a ton of Ups drivers and a ton 384 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:19,920 Speaker 2: of FedEx drivers who listen. And I keep a little 385 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 2: running tally. It's unofficial. I've never posted it publicly and 386 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: I don't have it right here, but I have so 387 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,760 Speaker 2: many delivery truck drivers who hit me up talking about 388 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 2: how they listen to the show on their route to 389 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 2: pass the time during the day. I don't know who's 390 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 2: in the lead right now. I think it last checked, 391 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,160 Speaker 2: FedEx had about a fifty. 392 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: Five forty five percent lead. 393 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,120 Speaker 2: But just a heads up, I mean, listen, I got 394 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 2: FedEx in my family now, but I play no favorites here. 395 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,680 Speaker 1: Ups, you guys and girls can make it up by 396 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: the end of the day. 397 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 2: So I'm just saying, however you listen, however you watch 398 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: the show. I always love hearing that. 399 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: Anyway. 400 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:55,080 Speaker 2: The actual comment here or question was about Billy Napier, 401 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,240 Speaker 2: our rock climbing Amigo said, how about Billy Napier for 402 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 2: Nick Saban? Well, if it happened today, I think he 403 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: would be on the very short list. Yeah, I agree 404 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: with this. Billy Napier For those unfamiliar, that's the head 405 00:17:06,080 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 2: coach at Louisiana. Don't call him Lafayette, It's just Louisiana. 406 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 2: And he is the head coach there that's had opportunities. 407 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: He's had several SEC opportunities now and he's turned him down. 408 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 2: And he's turned him down because he doesn't have to leave. 409 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,199 Speaker 2: We've gone over this whole thing before. The University of 410 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 2: Louisiana head football coach right now is in a position 411 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,679 Speaker 2: that is better as a coach. That job is a 412 00:17:27,680 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 2: better job right now than a lot of the SEC jobs. Now, 413 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,199 Speaker 2: how could that be? Is he getting paid more? No, 414 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,360 Speaker 2: he's not getting paid more right now, and that's the key. 415 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 2: Right now, he's playing a ten year game. These guys, 416 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,520 Speaker 2: these younger head coaches, they're not playing the ten month game. Hopefully, 417 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: if they're smart with their money, they're able to play 418 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 2: the ten year game. Billy Napier knows if he continues 419 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 2: to keep his nose clean, keep his nose down, and 420 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 2: keep himself on the current path he's on, ten years 421 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:56,240 Speaker 2: from now, money is not going to be a concern 422 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: of his, nor his families, nor his extended families, nor 423 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: his grand children that won't even be born for several years. 424 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: Down the road. 425 00:18:03,280 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 2: But right now, what he has is a place where 426 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,120 Speaker 2: it's almost impossible for his stock to really dip all 427 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,480 Speaker 2: that badly. But he's got incredibly high stocked. So it's 428 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,880 Speaker 2: a very very high reward, relatively low risk situation for him. 429 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:20,000 Speaker 2: And what he knows is every single year in the offseason, 430 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 2: he's going to be a hot commodity. And so far 431 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: through these last couple of cycles, every job opening has 432 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,639 Speaker 2: been tied to him. Auburn was tied to him, South 433 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: Carolina was tied to him, Tennessee. All these jobs were 434 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,360 Speaker 2: tied to him. I can tell you he's had offers. 435 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: He's been very selective, which tells you. He's happy where 436 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: he is right now. He's fully content there and he 437 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:43,120 Speaker 2: is totally comfortable waiting on the right job. Well, it's 438 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 2: becoming pretty obvious the right job for him. There aren't 439 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,600 Speaker 2: many of them out there. Alabama obviously would be one, 440 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 2: LSU would be one. All these big jobs, I mean, 441 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: the truly premier jobs dead be one. But I think 442 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 2: he's looked at, and I've told you this is the 443 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: talk in the agent industry right now. He has looked, 444 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 2: as has his rep presentative, and every agent and coach 445 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,320 Speaker 2: out there at this point talks about this. Behind the scenes, 446 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: they've looked at how this stuff has started to evolve. 447 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 2: It used to be ludicrous. Let's just say we could 448 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,879 Speaker 2: rewind a few years. It would be ludicrous for me 449 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 2: to tell you the head coach at SMU has been 450 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,960 Speaker 2: offered a head coaching job at Arkansas. I don't think 451 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: he should take it, though. That sounds stupid, right, Arkansas 452 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: is a major program, It's in the SEC. They could 453 00:19:25,680 --> 00:19:28,280 Speaker 2: buy SMU ten times over. How in the world could 454 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 2: you ever say. 455 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: Something like that? 456 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: Well, the way I could say it is, do you 457 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 2: know who Chad Morris is? Can any of you off 458 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,159 Speaker 2: the top of your head. Tell me where Chad Morris 459 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 2: is right now, I'll tell you where he was. Several 460 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 2: years ago. He was at Clemson. He was one of 461 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 2: the hottest names in the assistant coaching market and he 462 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 2: got his big break. He got a head coaching job 463 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: at SMU and started to do some things at SMU, 464 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,919 Speaker 2: started to get some traction, and then Arkansas came calling 465 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 2: and Chad Morris took the job. Now, no one faults him. 466 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 2: It was a massive pay raise, it was a massive 467 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: profile increase. But here's the problem. He walked into a 468 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: no win situation. Now, I don't think he was a 469 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 2: good fit at Arkansas, but that's not his fault. He 470 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:09,640 Speaker 2: didn't offer himself the job. But it didn't work out there. Well, 471 00:20:09,640 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 2: what happened then was all that equity he had built 472 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: up it went splat. And then he went to Auburn 473 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:18,159 Speaker 2: and things didn't work out at Auburn. And where in 474 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 2: the world is Chad Morris right now? I kid you 475 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: not ninety percent of you could not tell. 476 00:20:22,600 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: Me where he is. 477 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: The answer, by the way, is he is coaching high 478 00:20:25,560 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 2: school ball in Texas. High school ball in Texas. Now 479 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 2: it's a big deal, But it is a high school job. 480 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 2: I think he's at Allen Well. A lot of other 481 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:36,800 Speaker 2: people watched that and so they figured out, wait a second. 482 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:40,679 Speaker 2: So the landscape's changing because simultaneous to that, you had 483 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 2: people like Kirby Smart getting their first head coaching job 484 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 2: at Georgia. Ryan Day's first head coaching job is at 485 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 2: Ohio State Lincoln Riley's first head coaching job is OU. 486 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,120 Speaker 2: So here's what representatives or as you would know them, 487 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: agents and coaches alike are seeing. What they're seeing is 488 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 2: the landscape is telling us we don't have to take 489 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: the first head coaching job that comes available anymore to 490 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:06,680 Speaker 2: ultimately get the big time jobs, because we got several 491 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 2: examples now of guys having their first head coaching job 492 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: be one of those big time jobs. And so what 493 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,760 Speaker 2: we need to do is instead of taking a chance 494 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 2: on a place like Arkansas, where my client has to 495 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,879 Speaker 2: face LSU, Alabama, Auburn, and Texas A and M every 496 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 2: single year, instead of doing that, let's find ourselves a 497 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 2: really good G five and let's prop ourselves there and 498 00:21:29,359 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 2: let's win because it's a good coach. 499 00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:32,640 Speaker 1: He's a good coach, So let's win there. 500 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 2: And then let's also use it as sort of a 501 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 2: staging facility, because we stay there as long as we 502 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 2: want to. Once you get a program rolling at the 503 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 2: G five level, it's probably not fallen off. Once Scott 504 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 2: Frost got UCF rolling, he could have stayed there and 505 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 2: continued to win, maybe not undefeated every year, but his 506 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 2: profile and stock would have stayed sky high. He would 507 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 2: have been averaging double digit wins per year. And if 508 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,199 Speaker 2: he did not take the Nebraska job. I understand there 509 00:21:58,200 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: are ties that he had there emotionally that make that 510 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:02,520 Speaker 2: different than Chad Morris. But if he had not taken 511 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 2: the Nebraska job, do you know how many jobs Scott 512 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:07,719 Speaker 2: Frost would have been offered had he stayed in Orlando, 513 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 2: stayed at UCF. Do you know how many jobs Chad 514 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: Morris would have been offered, well above and beyond Arkansas, 515 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,679 Speaker 2: all due respect, had he stayed at SMU. Well, what 516 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:18,199 Speaker 2: does that have to do with Napier? I think it's 517 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 2: pretty obvious. Billy Napier and his representative learn the lesson, 518 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 2: and so what they're doing is they're using the modern playbook. 519 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 2: The modern college football playbook is you find yourself a 520 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: good G five program, you better be good enough to 521 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:31,760 Speaker 2: build it up. But if you are good enough to 522 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: build it up and we're making enough money, which right 523 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 2: now he is, then we're gonna wait and we're gonna 524 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520 Speaker 2: play not the long game, but we're gonna play the 525 00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 2: midterm game. And that may mean turning down a South 526 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: Carolina level job or an Auburn level job, and those 527 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,080 Speaker 2: are big time jobs. But if we're waiting on one 528 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,280 Speaker 2: of the big boys to open up, Louisiana, Lafayette, Louisiana 529 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 2: is a perfect place to wait it out because we're 530 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,879 Speaker 2: not losing anything down here, and we're potentially gaining massively 531 00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: on our future events because we're not taking the first. 532 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: Job that comes along. 533 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 2: All Right, Chris has a really good one that I 534 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 2: was just talking to someone about last night on another podcast, 535 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:11,680 Speaker 2: and I want to talk about it here. It's about development, 536 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 2: and it's about underachieving and not winning the big one, 537 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,120 Speaker 2: and how valid that is as opposed to how many 538 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: times people say it. We'll do it right after this. 539 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,639 Speaker 2: So Chris just asked, flat out, how fair is it 540 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 2: for people to say Kirby Smart can't win the big one? Chris, 541 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: I don't think it's fair at all. I think it's 542 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,080 Speaker 2: actually lazy. I think it's pretty lazy. 543 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: I know a lot of you say this. I know 544 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:31,919 Speaker 1: a ton of you listening say this. 545 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,800 Speaker 2: How do you know? How do you know he can't? 546 00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: You know how big I am on this. This is 547 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 2: not just semantics. Can't versus haven't. They are two wildly 548 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 2: different concepts. When you're telling me something can't be done, 549 00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: it literally means there's no way. Okay, this guy was 550 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 2: in overtime of a national championship game his second year 551 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 2: on the job. So, with all due respect, you're not 552 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,840 Speaker 2: stupid for saying that, but I think it's a stupid 553 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: thing to say, just say he can't do it. The 554 00:23:57,080 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 2: bottom line is a dropped pass that he has no 555 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: control over could have actually changed the trajectory to where. 556 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: We already would have won. So if you've been that. 557 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 2: Close, you're gonna have to excuse me if I don't 558 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 2: buy into the cant haven't is a different deal. No, 559 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 2: he has not, Kirby Smart has not won a national championship. 560 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:15,920 Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? 561 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: Though? 562 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:16,719 Speaker 2: Like? 563 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: How do you determine this? 564 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,920 Speaker 2: I've always been fascinated by how do you determine how 565 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 2: long does a guy have to be in as a 566 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 2: head coach before you and I'm talking to just each 567 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:29,040 Speaker 2: individual now before you guys decide that he can't do something, 568 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,480 Speaker 2: because I'm just looking at raw talent level on the roster. 569 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:32,479 Speaker 1: Because he's a great recruiter. 570 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 2: And I don't think anyone who even criticizes him is 571 00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 2: claiming anything other than that he's a great recruiter just 572 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 2: by the mere nature of how much talent you're gonna 573 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 2: have on your roster. 574 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: Every year, I already know y're in and you're out. 575 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 2: You're gonna be one of only about ten or maybe 576 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: less in again any given year that can win a title. 577 00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,639 Speaker 2: You're gonna be there every year. You're gonna be in 578 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,480 Speaker 2: the conversation every single year. I mean, some people have 579 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: started to spout this stuff off about Lincoln Riley too. 580 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley and Kirby Smart combined don't have a decade 581 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 2: of coaching experience yet and we're talking about what they 582 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 2: can't do. Chris, you're asking is it fair or not? 583 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:06,959 Speaker 2: I don't know what's fair or not, but here's what 584 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: I challenge. 585 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:08,239 Speaker 1: Anyone to do. 586 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: If you think Lincoln Riley and or Kirby Smart can't 587 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 2: win a national championship, I'd be more than happy to 588 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: take a prop bet. And the prop bet is over 589 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: the next decade. The over under for national championships of 590 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 2: the two combined is zero point five. Now, if you 591 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 2: truly believe the words coming out of your mouth, and 592 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,679 Speaker 2: you truly believe that neither of them can win a title, 593 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 2: then I see no reason why you wouldn't grant me 594 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 2: this bet. And we'll do it for any amount that 595 00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 2: makes you uncomfortable. And if your amount is more than 596 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 2: I can afford, I'd be happy to find an angel investor, 597 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: of which I'm sure there would be many that would 598 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 2: see the wise nature of set investment. 599 00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: So let's line that up. 600 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 2: In all seriousness, it's going to be a decade long 601 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 2: prop bets, so you better get comfortable, bring your lawn chair, 602 00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 2: but let's set it up. Lincoln Riley Kirby smart over 603 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,399 Speaker 2: under zero point five national championships over the next ten years. 604 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 2: I'm taking the over because I don't believe that anyone 605 00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,159 Speaker 2: could know whether those guys can't win a title. 606 00:25:59,359 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: Yet. 607 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,680 Speaker 2: We had several questions about Tennessee, and so I want 608 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,479 Speaker 2: to hit Seth like we had several of them. 609 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: I'm not even going to name all the names. I 610 00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: am talking about Tennessee later this week. 611 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,560 Speaker 2: They have their spring game coming up, so I intentionally 612 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: have not touched on them a lot. I know they 613 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 2: got a new quarterback in the house, and Joe Milton 614 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 2: came from Michigan. They got Hooker from Virginia Tech. Like, 615 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 2: They've got several new guys in the mix there, and 616 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,720 Speaker 2: so there's a thought that, oh, could this quarterback room 617 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 2: be a little bit better than we thought, and therefore, 618 00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 2: could Tennessee football be a little bit better than we thought. 619 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 2: I got to talk to some people and I got 620 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 2: to do some thinking on this, so we will table 621 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,280 Speaker 2: that to be continued for later in the week. Remember 622 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,120 Speaker 2: to follow me on Instagram at Late Kick Josh. 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