1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson, 2 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:15,680 Speaker 1: home of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome 3 00:00:15,720 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 1: to the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson 4 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: and well we are on the edge of New Year's 5 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: Eve here this our last show of the week. For 6 00:00:25,280 --> 00:00:28,160 Speaker 1: our last show of the weekend, Roethlisberger, give us a 7 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:32,800 Speaker 1: little something to talk about today. Absolutely, I don't think 8 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: we'll be able to listen to that by the sounds 9 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: of things, just my hunch at the moment. But check 10 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: it out. You can find it out there. We can 11 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:40,959 Speaker 1: still react to hold my phone up to the mic 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: here and we can play it back. We're still learning 13 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: the ways of the land here a little bit. But um, yeah, 14 00:00:47,120 --> 00:00:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean big news. We have a lot to cram 15 00:00:48,760 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: into three segments here today. Yeah, we sure do. U. 16 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger is saying today that he doesn't talk in definites, 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 1: but it sure appears that this is going to be 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: his last home regular season game. Now he couched at 19 00:01:01,760 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: his home regular season game because if the Steelers win 20 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: their final two games, they play the Browns on Monday night. Oh, 21 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:12,279 Speaker 1: by the way, they've won nineteen consecutive Monday night home games. 22 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: Not a coincidence. Not a coincidence. Yet that goes back 23 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: the dates, back to I've covered the team for twenty 24 00:01:18,319 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: eight years my first year WASE, so I've never seen 25 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: the Steelers lose a home game on Monday night. That's awesome. Yeah, 26 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: it's unbelievable. I mean it's one of the more amazing 27 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:33,000 Speaker 1: streaks in the league or sports in general, because usually 28 00:01:33,000 --> 00:01:39,560 Speaker 1: Monday Nighters are playing. Yeah, they're playing good football teams. 29 00:01:39,600 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: So he said, you know, if we win these final 30 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: two games, obviously they would also then need the Bengals 31 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: to lose their both their games. They need to lose 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: both both the games remaining um to win a division well, 33 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: thus host another game. If you look at it, the 34 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: Bengals or five point underdogs at home this week against 35 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 1: the Kansas City Chiefs. That's a really good game. Then 36 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: they play the Browns next week. The Browns beat them 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: forty one sixteen in Cincinnati. Correct, I mean, I guess 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: what you don't want. Of course you wants beat the Browns, 39 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: but you don't want the Browns to just say, see, 40 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't think that they will. I wouldn't think in 41 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: the division game either. They got stuff to work on. Yeah, 42 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 1: and you know I think that they would. You know, 43 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: you're not gonna want to lay down for the team 44 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,839 Speaker 1: that you think. Well, these guys think they're pretty good, 45 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 1: right because the Browns were kind of that shoe that 46 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:33,320 Speaker 1: mold last year. And everyone will be talking about the 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: Bengals this office. Yeah, the Bengals will be the favorite, 48 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:38,239 Speaker 1: right right, So yeah, you're not gonna lay down in 49 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: that game. I mean, we're really get ahead of ourselves 50 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: and we're gonna talk about the game on Monday first. 51 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:45,880 Speaker 1: But maybe it's sit in Mayfield if he's fighting ten 52 00:02:45,919 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: different things like bad thing, but I'm MU sure that 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 1: really hurts your chances to win the game. Anyways, Back 54 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,079 Speaker 1: to Ben Roethlisberger, Uh, the Story of the Dead. Yeah, um, 55 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:58,000 Speaker 1: he said that you know, he's he's this is probably 56 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: it for him. Um, you know, and you know I 57 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: think that it's he's not made. He doesn't want any 58 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:06,239 Speaker 1: big announcements. He doesn't He didn't want to make it 59 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 1: a big announcement. He didn't want to make a big 60 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 1: deal about it. He just wants to go out and 61 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:12,640 Speaker 1: win the last two games right now. I think he 62 00:03:12,720 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 1: handled it really well by all accounts. He's in fighting 63 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,720 Speaker 1: a bunch of players back and he took his family 64 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,959 Speaker 1: on the road for Christmas, something he doesn't do. Um. 65 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 1: I remember, like Kareem Abdul Jabbar's farewell tour. The people 66 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: are giving him huge runk and every stop and things 67 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: like motorcycles. Right, I mean, it's not that extreme. The 68 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: Steelers want to give Ben Roethlisberger and nice going away 69 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: present when these last two games. Yeah, exactly, exactly, that's 70 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: the present that you want now. That may not be 71 00:03:38,120 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: enough even then to get you in, but at least 72 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 1: you go out on a winning note. Yeah, without question, 73 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:44,840 Speaker 1: a good taste in your mouth, especially in front of 74 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: the home crowd. Monday Football, I win the world watching. 75 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure the national uh TV situation will be really 76 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: showing off Ben's career, you know. I mean the last 77 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:57,760 Speaker 1: time that everyone in the world were watching them, you know, 78 00:03:57,880 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: glued in on one single game unless he get the playoffs. UM. 79 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: I did a fun video today. He's often due for 80 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:06,480 Speaker 1: Steelers Live and you find on Steelers dot Com. But 81 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: I was with Wolf and um labs and Labs was 82 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: kind of I don't say goating Wolf, but really pushing him, 83 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: you know. If this was your last game, would you 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: ever let Ben get touched? You know, I mean, were 85 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: you dragging Miles Garrett down? No matter what I mean? 86 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: Are you gonna is rule number one in the old 87 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: line room. And that guy doesn't even hair on his head, 88 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,919 Speaker 1: doesn't get touched in this game. And Bols like I 89 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,120 Speaker 1: kind of did that with Bradshaw way back when, and 90 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 1: our old line coach said, in this game, guys, I 91 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 1: don't care how many flags come about. That guy is 92 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 1: not getting hit ever, you know, And I can see 93 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:43,280 Speaker 1: that kind of mentality, you know, you know, you know, 94 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 1: Ray Ray McLeod talked today to the media, um, and 95 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,640 Speaker 1: that was one of those his statements, like, you know, 96 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 1: we just want to go out and and play. Let 97 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: it all hang out from that guy, because he's meant 98 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 1: so much to the organization. He's like, I you know, 99 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: I just he's only been with him for a couple 100 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: of years. He's like, but I grew up watching Sky say, 101 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 1: this whole team so young. If they were fans when 102 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 1: they were kids, they watched beat. You know, let me 103 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: ask you this, Matt, so a lot of the stuff 104 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: that you see all that and this happens all the time. 105 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: Every time I write something about Ben Roethlisberger, possible retirement, 106 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 1: all that stuff. You hear, well, the Steelers wasted his 107 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 1: his his career, They wasted his career. That bothers me. 108 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:25,160 Speaker 1: An man, here's the list of players quarterbacks who have 109 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: won more than two Super Bowls in the history and 110 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: the history of the game. More championships. Actually, not even 111 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 1: super Bowls. This is this is straight out championships, more 112 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: than two. Brady obviously, certainly, Bart Starr, Sid Luckman, Terry Bradshaw, 113 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: Joe Montana, Auto Graham, Johnny and Unitas, Len Dawson, and 114 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: Troy Aikman. That's it. So that's what eight five years 115 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: or however long the NFL has been around, that's how 116 00:05:56,920 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: many guys have won more than two correctly from wrong though, 117 00:06:00,600 --> 00:06:05,599 Speaker 1: But since Bradshaw, it's only Aikman and Brady and Montana. Okay, Okay, 118 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: I was I knew I was skipping one in there. Okay, 119 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: I mean that's how rare it is in a modern era. 120 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I almost don't count the fifties and things. 121 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I know there were championships handed out, but 122 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: there were also eight teams. There was eight teams. If 123 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: you were no one's stealing Auto Gram or Kim Brown 124 00:06:19,880 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: off your team and free agent Sid Luckman. You know 125 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: Sid Luckman won championships and forty six. That's during the 126 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: World War Two, right, I mean that's great and all, 127 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: and I respect for those guys, but different world at 128 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 1: that time. I mean, I guess he definitely counts star 129 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: because he won the first two as well as ones 130 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:40,120 Speaker 1: before that. But this shows how unbelievably rare that is. 131 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: And um, I was on stand show today and we 132 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 1: were he asked me who would rather have Brad shar 133 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: Bend And I didn't have a great answer, but I 134 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,320 Speaker 1: mean we kind of just were talking about the difference 135 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: in the eras. And you've brought this up many times 136 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: about look at all the interceptions Bradshaw through And my 137 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:58,560 Speaker 1: point is, even the seventies, we're such a different game 138 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 1: than it is. Not completely mean, it's almost night and day. 139 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,160 Speaker 1: I mean, comparing Bradshaw and Ben to me is almost impossible. 140 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: I mean, it really doesn't have an answer for that. Yeah, 141 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: I mean I think I did the stat a couple 142 00:07:08,360 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: of years ago that that Terry Bradshaw in his career 143 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: averaged as many passes per game as Roethlisberger averages completing 144 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: in the game over the course of his career, that 145 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: certainly adds up. And the interceptions are bonkers. I mean 146 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: the TD interception ratio back that was like one to one. 147 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:28,960 Speaker 1: So it is, it's just a it's a different game, 148 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: the way the game has played, the way the game 149 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,720 Speaker 1: is officiated. Quarterbacks are protected where you're not allowed to 150 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: touch the receivers, that kind of stuff. Um. At the 151 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: same time, you know, free agency, you know, it's a thing. 152 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: I mean, Steelers of the seventies, I can almost guarantee 153 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: would not have won four Super Bowls in free agency 154 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: because after that seventy five, after they won their second one, 155 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, they won a few years without winning one, 156 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: that team would have been decimated by oh without I 157 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,679 Speaker 1: mean that amazing draft class they had when all became 158 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: free agents at the same at the same time, good 159 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 1: luck keeping them, yeah, good luck keeping them all right, 160 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: you gotta pay them. Different world again, the powerhouses back 161 00:08:12,400 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: then could stay powerhouses, and I'm sure that wasn't fun 162 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: for the crap pass teams in the world back then, 163 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 1: you know, So that's why they've made these changes. But 164 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 1: it's harder to stay on top. You know, it really 165 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 1: is and out about that. You know, as somebody asked 166 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: me the other day, they went through, here's how many 167 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,480 Speaker 1: Hall of famers Chuck Nol drafted and Bill Kawer had 168 00:08:30,520 --> 00:08:33,720 Speaker 1: these ones? How many guys you how many Hall of 169 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: Fame players do you think Mike Tomlin has drafted? And 170 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 1: really it's about this. It's the same numbers, is cower. 171 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: There's more teams. There's more teams, right, there's less rounds 172 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: in the draft with which to work. You know, Donny 173 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: Schell doesn't County. You know, by the way, you know 174 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: there's nobody here. You know you're not sneaking John Stalwars film. 175 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: You know, Alabama and t with all respect of those 176 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: teams back then and the amazing work they did and 177 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: build on and all that stuff, we know that. But 178 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:08,120 Speaker 1: there's less secrets now. There's the worst. Now, if there's 179 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:11,719 Speaker 1: a quarterback at look at the kid out of I 180 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: don't think Wisconsin, Whitewater last yeah, yeah, minors, minors, the center. 181 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,199 Speaker 1: You know, he gets invited to the Senior Bowl. It 182 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: just blows up and he was just an afterthought invitation 183 00:09:22,640 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: to the Senior Bowl. But he probably up he ends 184 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: up being a third round draft pick, and twenty years 185 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: ago he's going to the Packers and they're sneaking him 186 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: on the practice. He was right down the road, right 187 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: or maybe two teams know about them. There weren't draft services. 188 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 1: You know, teams can pretend like they don't pay attention 189 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: to that stuff. They pay attention to that stuff. It's 190 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 1: a great resource. Grabbed Dane Brugler's guide and read it. 191 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's this guy, we haven't seen anything in him. 192 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 1: Let's get some film. Yeah, and it's all available. You 193 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 1: don't have to leave your office. You can call it 194 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,320 Speaker 1: film scouting job. This is what we do. We sit 195 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: and we watched philm Okay. I look at the kids 196 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: YouTube video because they all make them and we don't 197 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 1: know the medicals and we don't get to sit down 198 00:09:57,679 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 1: with them and all that stuff. We wouldn't do as 199 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: good as a job as a team will, absolutely not. 200 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:03,560 Speaker 1: But if we could do better than we would have 201 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: forty years ago, absolutely, because you wouldn't have any that. 202 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:08,920 Speaker 1: You couldn't do that. You can't be the wing the 203 00:10:08,960 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 1: league over and over over four years ago. You'd be 204 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Bengals drafting out of the street and Smiths. 205 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: That's the thing I'm gonna mention it. I would sit 206 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 1: there with a let's stop at right eight and get 207 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 1: him back the American team right right in the teams 208 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,320 Speaker 1: like the Steelers are out maneuvering them. Yeah, the times 209 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: have changed, obviously, um I mentioned on the Stand show 210 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: today it was like two years ago, I forget who 211 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: was writing for asked me to do who are your 212 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 1: top ten quarterbacks of all time? You know, And I 213 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: didn't put Brad Short or Ben in the top ten, 214 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 1: but they were on the just miss list. There was 215 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,719 Speaker 1: five just misses, so they were ten to fifteen ish, 216 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: you know, and I kind of avoid because I don't 217 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 1: want to pick one or the other. But like a 218 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: lot of the guys that are on there that are contemporaries, 219 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: only Brady's really the ones that has more wins in Montana, 220 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: you know, super wins. The original point it's and if 221 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: you look at and of course Brady's messes things up 222 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 1: for this generation. That's the thing, you know. I wrote 223 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:05,599 Speaker 1: about that today on you know, before Brady, the standard 224 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,960 Speaker 1: for quarterbacks in the postseason was Joe Montana without question. 225 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:13,719 Speaker 1: You know, how many playoff wins Joe Montana had no sixteen. 226 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: He was sixteen and seven in his career in the plostseason, 227 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: which is an amazing record for Roethlisberger's thirteen and nine. 228 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 1: So tell me again the only guys who have more 229 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: playoff wins. I was wondering how many of more than 230 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: thirteen wins He's got thirty, Brady's got thirty four, Montana 231 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: was sixteen, Bradshaw with fourteen, Elway with fourteen, Manning with fourteen. 232 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: But Manning is fourteen and thirteen in the postseason. Yeah, 233 00:11:38,080 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 1: he lost a lot, right, right. And then it's Roethlisberger 234 00:11:40,440 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: and Brett five with thirteen wins each and five US 235 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: thirteen and eleven. And those are the best quarterbacks ever. 236 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 1: There's not a phenomenally there. It's not like he wasn't 237 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: so spare me. The Steelers wasted Ben Roethlisbergers career. The 238 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: example I like to use, because they played at the 239 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: same time, is I think all of our listeners would 240 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: probably can see that Rogers and Breeze had better NFL 241 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: careers than Ben. I think Breeze you could fight, just 242 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: because he played in the Dome and he had I 243 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: wonder what Ben, We're done there? I don't think you 244 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: can fight Rogers. They each have one ring. You know, 245 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Rogers is eleven and nine in his post probably probably, 246 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 1: but he's getting near the end, right, He's not gonna, 247 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: you know, is gonna. He's not gonna catch Montana, No, right, right, sixteen, 248 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 1: He's got eleven. Now he would he would need probably 249 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 1: three more postseason runs to and this applies to Ben's career, 250 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:34,160 Speaker 1: but all of them. If you get a bye, that's 251 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: one less chance to right, you know what I mean? 252 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: Breeze nine and nine in his postseason career. I mean, 253 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,640 Speaker 1: I wonder how many all those guys, but including Ben. 254 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: I'm sure it didn't happen bratty much. But I mean, 255 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: at least I got to buy so I didn't play 256 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: in a Week one of the tournament. You win your 257 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:52,439 Speaker 1: home game and then you lose the a f C 258 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 1: MC Championship. That's a pretty damn good year for a quarterback. 259 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: You made the final four and you end up one 260 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 1: and one in the postseason and you're like, didn't help you? 261 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: Put it this way, Jim Kelly made four Super Bowls. 262 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: His career playoff records nine and eight. Wow, he made 263 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: it the four Super Bowl so he got at least 264 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:16,719 Speaker 1: eight or four losses in the s eight wins to 265 00:13:16,760 --> 00:13:19,440 Speaker 1: get him there. Exactly, exactly, That's what I was about 266 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: to say, you did the math quicker? Maybe four times 267 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: two wasn't that hard math. But yeah, you're right, Yeah 268 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: that's crazy. I mean, and again, nobody wants to hear this, 269 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: but if it wasn't for Brady, we'd have a handful 270 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,439 Speaker 1: more Super Bowls to sprinkle around to the world. And 271 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's also a tough era to 272 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: win them in, you know, where the eighties and nineties 273 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: it wasn't dominated that much by one guy, you know, 274 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: which makes him all the greater. But you know, to 275 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:51,120 Speaker 1: say you wasted it makes me crazy, Like I got 276 00:13:51,160 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 1: an argument on people and this one makes me crazy. 277 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:58,679 Speaker 1: Is I forget who tweeted someone local? Here? The Pirates 278 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: and Steelers one a playoff game the last the same year, 279 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:08,079 Speaker 1: and that's their most recent playoff win. I'm like, are 280 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:10,679 Speaker 1: you serious? I mean, first of all, the player the 281 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: Pirates won a play in game essentially to get into 282 00:14:14,440 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: playoffs because it's a game that didn't even exist, and 283 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,560 Speaker 1: winning a hockey or playoffs or baseball game isn't like 284 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: winning a one and done football game for one thing. 285 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: And please don't even lump those two organizations in the 286 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: same breath, because one of them has been and just 287 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: to say the two thousand's, one of them has been 288 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: a top three maybe number two organization in the league 289 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: behind New England. One of them is I don't know 290 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: enough about baseball, but has to be a bottom three. 291 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: To put it this way, the Steelers have not had 292 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 1: a losing season since two thousand and three, right right, 293 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: They've had I believe, five losing seasons in the last 294 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: like fifty years. It's amazing forty years. I it is 295 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: forty nine years and five losing seasons. Like I mean, 296 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: can we point to some playoff failures lately? Sure, without questions, 297 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: I mean without question. I mean I'm not excusing those things. 298 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean I think there's some games that they should 299 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: have one could have won, you know, and they haven't. 300 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: That's that's what is the great thing about the NFL, though, 301 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,920 Speaker 1: is that it's a one and done game, right Each 302 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: game is really the super Bowl one to itself. Yeah, 303 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: it's only you know, you could have the best team 304 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: in the world, but if you don't, if you're not 305 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: at your best on that day, or if the other 306 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: team plays it's best game, there's a bad matchup, you're 307 00:15:35,480 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: going home. And this isn't this. This isn't a seven 308 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 1: game series where okay, the better team typically wins over 309 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: the course of a seven game series. You get a 310 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,640 Speaker 1: bad day or a bad picture, run into a type 311 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: tough picture or a tough goalie you can't beat one night, 312 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: and you lose, you know. I mean the NFL is 313 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: the same way, which brings us back to Monday, because 314 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: the playoffs started out yeah right, and now it's really 315 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 1: is one and done. I mean there's been a lot 316 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: of talk of this is must win, this is must win. 317 00:15:58,840 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 1: They weren't must win, you were I'd really like the 318 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: way God will be helpful. But now it's must win, 319 00:16:05,240 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: you know. So you're one and done now Monday night, right, 320 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: and you wonder how a team like Cincinnati handles that. Oh, 321 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 1: I've just never been in that situation. I mean, they're 322 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 1: they're gonna get beaten by the Kansas City Chiefs, I 323 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: would imagine, you know. I think I'm really excited to 324 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 1: see how that game goes. Yeah, it's not a burrow thing. 325 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: It's more of a tailor thing against Andy Reid who's 326 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 1: won twenty two games in a row and November and 327 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 1: December and getting into the playoffs and knowing how to 328 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: win this time of year. And the Steelers have figured 329 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: that part out. I mean they've been masters of that too. Yeah. 330 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:40,160 Speaker 1: So it's you know, it's interesting and we'll see, you know, 331 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: what happens in the aftermath of it all. Um, that's 332 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: for the off season. Of course, you can tune in 333 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: here and we'll talk about all there, all that off 334 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: sheets and stuff. But Ben just had a remarkable career. 335 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: If you want to have the first ballot Hall of Famer, 336 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: I mean we can have. We can have conversations all 337 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: day long about who's the pretty s girl the beauty pageant, 338 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 1: if you like Marino better or el better. Okay, there 339 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: the elite of the elite that have ever played this 340 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: position ever, you know, and he's in that conversation. It's remarkable. Yeah, 341 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: I just enjoy it for what it is. Um, I'll 342 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:15,000 Speaker 1: be shocked if if you know, Steeler fans aren't out 343 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 1: in mass like a Monday nighters, I mean you could. 344 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: I didn't look I should have looked at seem what 345 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: the resale price was on tickets for the game. Imagine 346 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:29,520 Speaker 1: it's pretty high. Yeah, it's a good indicator obviously. Yeah 347 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: the economy tell us, yeah, things will shoot up there. 348 00:17:32,119 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: But uh yeah, enjoy it for what it is. Um, 349 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 1: you know, they don't come around often. I mean it 350 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 1: was it was twenty plus years between Bradshaw's final game 351 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: in Roethlisberger's first game, and you hope you don't have 352 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: that similar. Steelers still had some good teams in between there, 353 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: and they made a Super Bowl with Neil O'Donnell. But 354 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,360 Speaker 1: for most teams, you know, everybody talks about the Rogers, 355 00:17:56,640 --> 00:18:02,480 Speaker 1: uh farv Rogers, you know Montana you know, yeah, the 356 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:05,720 Speaker 1: Maggio mantle, like those things are rare. That's why, that's 357 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: why you can rattle them off. You know, there's four 358 00:18:07,840 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 1: of them. Yeah right, It's most of the time it's 359 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,679 Speaker 1: you know, so and so and Jamacus Russell, you know 360 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,679 Speaker 1: exactly exactly or no offense to Tommy Maddox, you know, 361 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: Lwa and Maddox and things like that, and then look 362 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: searching and searching until you can, you know, go get 363 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 1: another or even you know, Frankly manning luck only works 364 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: because bad year in between. There was the worst year 365 00:18:28,800 --> 00:18:30,760 Speaker 1: to Lego and they happen to have the worst year 366 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 1: to league when a good prospect was coming out, you know, 367 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,680 Speaker 1: and to steel Quite frankly, the Steelers don't ever put 368 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,919 Speaker 1: themselves in that situation to pick first, you know, they 369 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,000 Speaker 1: pick first. They haven't done that since nineteen seventy one, 370 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: seventy seventy one, whatever it was. I mean, they don't 371 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: pick in the top ten, right, most years they've picked 372 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: in the top ten by finish by what they've earned 373 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: the bush one time and it was Ben that I've 374 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:57,439 Speaker 1: covered it, Yeah, one time since I've covered them. Yeah, wow, 375 00:18:57,680 --> 00:19:00,880 Speaker 1: it's amazing. And there's thirty two teams, right, and that's 376 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:02,639 Speaker 1: only the bottom third of the league. That's not the 377 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: you know, the bottom. You gotta really stink to get 378 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: that far. Yeah, you know, yeah, that that's the misconception 379 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 1: about tanking and stuff too. It's hard to get the 380 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: first overall pick. I mean, those guys are gonna out 381 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: there and try. Yeah, you gotta go ahead and lose 382 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:16,480 Speaker 1: a lot. I mean we looked at Houston and thought 383 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 1: they don't have any NFL players. Well, they're beating teams, right, 384 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: You know a minute, you're not gonna go when seventeen, Yeah, 385 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 1: you know, so it's it's interesting. Um, we'll see what 386 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:30,280 Speaker 1: happens here. But kudos to Ben Roethlisberger. You know, I've 387 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 1: covered his entire career. Um, you know, he's always it's 388 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: always been the pretty gracious with me, and you know, 389 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 1: appreciate all that. And he deserves to go out on 390 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: his own accord and he's getting that opportunity. I mentioned 391 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: this on stand too, just because some of our listeners 392 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: are young, you know, we're getting up at age, you know. 393 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: I mean I would see that with my son who's fifteen, 394 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: and there's a lot about football for fifteen year old, 395 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: you know, and those guys don't remember what a phenom 396 00:19:56,960 --> 00:20:01,639 Speaker 1: Ben was about. Today, Like and the first training camp 397 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 1: watching we're out of same fence in college is the 398 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 1: first practice. Mark Whipple, who was the quarterbacks coach, just 399 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 1: getting pitch offensive coordinator this year. He has Roethlisberger after 400 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 1: practice and they're going through this quarterback drill where Roethlisberger's 401 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: sprinting to his right and then throwing the ball, you know, 402 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: twenty yards to the to the sideline on the line 403 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: and then he sprints to his left and squares his 404 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:26,920 Speaker 1: shoulders and does does the same thing. And he's doing 405 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:29,000 Speaker 1: this at full speed, and I'm like, and he's a 406 00:20:29,040 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: big dude, He's a big They're watching this from like 407 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,000 Speaker 1: five yards away as he's he's making he throws him 408 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,360 Speaker 1: like wow, Wow, I haven't seen anything like that before. Absolutely, 409 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 1: they don't come around very often. Yeah, great, gatl talks 410 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: about a lies like he's one of the best throwers 411 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:48,360 Speaker 1: of the football that's ever lived. It really is. I mean, 412 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: it's easier for him. The last five years aren't the 413 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: same guy as the fifth year version of Roethlisberger, just physically. 414 00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: I mean, he was just so gifted shaking shaking that 415 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: guy off. Actually asked Joe Hayden about that earlier in 416 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: the week. I said, what made that? I said, we 417 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:07,720 Speaker 1: always hear from the front seven guys about Okay, well, 418 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: bet Ben is tough because you know, he's tough to 419 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: get down because so the throws that he made, like 420 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: while he was doing that kind of stuff, you know, 421 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: he said, there were times early in my career they 422 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 1: would have the Browns would have Hayden match up on 423 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,399 Speaker 1: Antonio Brown. They would have him shadow he's I'd have 424 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 1: great coverage and the balls great coverage, and he still 425 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: completes the pass, and you're just like, what do you do? 426 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:33,399 Speaker 1: There's nothing you can Quarterbacks are defensible. Yeah when they 427 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: put the ball let alone, when you put him with 428 00:21:34,800 --> 00:21:36,640 Speaker 1: a great receiver, you know, by the way, I gotta 429 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 1: run around all day. Yeah. Yeah, good luck with that kid. 430 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 1: But anyway, we're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson. 431 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 1: I am Dale Lally. You're listening to the Drive here 432 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,080 Speaker 1: on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with more right 433 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: after this