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Speaker 1: A lot of things to talk about. On today's show.

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Speaker 1: exclusive assassination list found on James Hodgkinson, the shooter from

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Speaker 1: few members of the public even knew that these congressmen

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Speaker 1: practice there with any regularity, and uh, you know, it's

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Speaker 1: really it was really tragic, of course to see this

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Speaker 1: all go down, as especially at the place that I

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Speaker 1: had actually seen before, and I've been to that practice,

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Speaker 1: and those congressmen really value that time they have. They

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Speaker 1: have a great time even practicing getting ready for the

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Speaker 1: congressional baseball game. We're speaking to Vince Colonies. He is

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Speaker 1: the editor in chief of the Daily Caller. Daily Caller

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Speaker 1: has an exclusive that an assassination list was found on

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Speaker 1: James Hodgkinson's body. He is the attempted mass assassin of

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Speaker 1: members of Congress at that baseball game earlier in the week. Vince,

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Speaker 1: you're down in d C. And you're dealing with a

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Speaker 1: lot of the political reporters in a day to day

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Speaker 1: since Uh, do you think that there's there's any Is

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Speaker 1: there any chastening of the of the tone? Is there?

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Speaker 1: Do you do you think there'll be any change in

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Speaker 1: the rhetoric or by next week will we be back

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Speaker 1: to hearing a lot about how Trump is a trader

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Speaker 1: and Republicans want the whole world to die because of

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Speaker 1: climate change, etcetera. Etcetera. No, I I you know, unfortunately

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Speaker 1: this is going to revert form too quickly. Um we

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Speaker 1: I mean just yesterday you hadn Ce Pelosi stand up

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Speaker 1: and say that that the way we got here rhetorically

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Speaker 1: was the Republicans and the politics of personal destruction leveled

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Speaker 1: against Hillary Clinton and the Clinton's in the nineties. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you explain to me how Hillary Clinton, of all people,

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Speaker 1: and how persecuted she supposedly is, could come up in

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Speaker 1: the wake of an attack on Republican members of Congress.

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Speaker 1: I don't really get that. And the Nancy Pelosi's case,

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Speaker 1: she immediately invokes Republicans and then she went on to

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Speaker 1: say something like, but you know it's not Today's not

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Speaker 1: the day for me to expand on that point too much.

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Speaker 1: I mentioned, and I know a lot of people have

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Speaker 1: been talking about in the New Yortimes actually retracted the

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Speaker 1: part that was so both inflammatory and incorrect. But at

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Speaker 1: the Times editorial board would would respond the day of

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Speaker 1: this attempted mass assassination with, well, maybe this has to

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Speaker 1: do with the political climate, but we know Sarah Palin

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Speaker 1: was responsible for what happened to Gabby Gifford's which is

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Speaker 1: what they said I mean they were not They were

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Speaker 1: not mincing any words about it at all. I think

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Speaker 1: that shows a disco that's beyond just a political disagreement,

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Speaker 1: that's a disconnect with reality. I mean that that's a

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Speaker 1: form of political delusion totally. And I've said it earlier

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Speaker 1: this week. It's expressive and and and and symbolic of

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Speaker 1: the bubble that surrounds places like The New York Times.

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Speaker 1: Asked any conservative about that story, and they can recall

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Speaker 1: that instantly that this idea that Sarah Palin had a

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Speaker 1: connection with the Gabby Gifford shooting was a bunch of

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Speaker 1: garbage that was sort of propagated by the left plant blogosphere.

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Speaker 1: That was fake news. By the way, that that that

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Speaker 1: would would accurately be called fake news for sure, And

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Speaker 1: the fact that no one inside the New York Times

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Speaker 1: editorial board even bring that to mind is very suggestive

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Speaker 1: of how they think about issues on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: I have one more example for you, actually, Terry mccaullofs,

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Speaker 1: the governor of Virginia, immediately upon the conclusion of the shooting,

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Speaker 1: goes up to a microphone and says, this is not

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Speaker 1: the time for politics, and then goes on to start

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Speaker 1: talking about gun control. A reporter standing there, to his credit,

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Speaker 1: instantly challenged him, I thought you just said this wasn't

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Speaker 1: about politics, and Terry mcculluf vans up kind of kind

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Speaker 1: of squirming away from the question. Yaus, is there something ludicrous?

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Speaker 1: Which he had to correct again a reporter called him

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Speaker 1: out on it. He said, ninety three million Americans a

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Speaker 1: day are killed by gun violence. Huh, that's interesting because

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Speaker 1: we'd all be dead by the end of the week

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Speaker 1: if that was that that statistic was correct, ninety three

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Speaker 1: million Americans a day. And he didn't even correct himself, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, anyone can make you know, you can flub

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Speaker 1: a number, that will happen. But usually if you say

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Speaker 1: something that's that outrageous, you know, people mess up. You know,

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Speaker 1: billion and trillione million Americans die from gun violence. That's

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Speaker 1: not something that a normal person says and then doesn't

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Speaker 1: think twice about. It's instructive of how he thinks about

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Speaker 1: this issue, which is which is I'm absolutely right. Forget

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Speaker 1: the statistics. Who cares, that doesn't even matter. I can

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Speaker 1: just make up a number, But the point is we

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Speaker 1: need to get control of guns from this country. That's

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Speaker 1: the real problem today when if anything, Buck, if you

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Speaker 1: and I look at this event this week, if anything,

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Speaker 1: the one thing I left thinking was thank god good

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Speaker 1: guys with guns were present. Otherwise that list that was

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Speaker 1: in James Hodgkinson's pocket may have been sold out. Vince

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Speaker 1: Colonies is the Daily Callers editor in chief. He's got

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Speaker 1: an exclusive and Daily Caller right now assassination list found

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Speaker 1: on James Hodgkinson's body. You should go to the Daily

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Speaker 1: Caller dot com and read it. Vince, thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for your reporting and have a good weekend, sir Bot,

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Speaker 1: you too. Team. We're gonna hit a quick break. We'll

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Speaker 1: be right back. This wants to call in and she's

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Speaker 1: here with us. Now, what's up? Doctor Lee? Hi bug?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call. Did you hear from you?

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Speaker 1: What's going on? Oh? Not a lot. I just have

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Speaker 1: a movie quote for you, Okay, alrighty, So I'll go

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Speaker 1: ahead and go with it. Um, So, I guess you

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Speaker 1: have a choice. Do you want a war or do

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Speaker 1: you want to just give me a gun? Mm hmm,

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Speaker 1: what is it? It's the new John Wick too. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen that one yet, So you got me. But

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Speaker 1: I can't say that that was. It wasn't like it

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Speaker 1: slipped in my mind. I haven't seen I'm I like

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Speaker 1: John Wick one. In fact, I went to the the

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Speaker 1: baths that are in that movie. They're actually here in

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Speaker 1: New York City in Tribeca. Remember that. You remember there's

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Speaker 1: a scene with the Russian mobster guy and he's trying

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Speaker 1: to take him out, and there's in in what looks

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Speaker 1: like a sort of a Turkish bath. It's a real

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Speaker 1: thing here in New York. Wow, that's cool. I was

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Speaker 1: wondering about that. Yeah. Yeah, it's actually pretty cool place.

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Speaker 1: There's an ice plunge you jump into that. That's that's interesting.

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Speaker 1: And then they have other other temperature baths. So yes,

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Speaker 1: it's a it's quite an indulgence if you're doing a

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Speaker 1: treat yourself day. Uh, this is a fun thing to

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Speaker 1: do in downtown Manhattan. Um. But anyway, Dr Lee, give

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Speaker 1: them Mr my best and thank you very much for

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Speaker 1: calling in. Um. No way to bring this up without

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Speaker 1: a bit of a hard turn from hearing from my

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Speaker 1: friend from original squad team buck there. Dr Lee, Uh,

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Speaker 1: no way to do this without being a hard turn.

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Speaker 1: So just brace yourself for a minute. And I don't

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Speaker 1: have too much time to talk about it, but I did.

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Speaker 1: I want to give you some thoughts because we just

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Speaker 1: have a verdict that came in today on this case

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Speaker 1: of a of a twenty year old young woman who

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Speaker 1: has been convicted of involuntary manslaughter in Massachusetts. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Michelle Carter Um and three years ago what the

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Speaker 1: facts of the case are that she had a I

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Speaker 1: don't know if it would be he would be considered

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend, but an associate, a friend. UM. They had

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Speaker 1: mostly interacted online, had met in person a few times

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Speaker 1: named Roy and I'm sorry Conrad Roy, and he was

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Speaker 1: emotionally troubled and had already had already attempted suicide in

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Speaker 1: the past. And Conrad Roy and Michelle Carter had a

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Speaker 1: back and forth mostly via text message and and social media,

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Speaker 1: and she for weeks leading up to Roy's suicide was

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Speaker 1: discussing it with him via text message and encouraging him.

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Speaker 1: Now it's it's difficult, it's difficult to read. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's that that somebody could be so cold and sadistic

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Speaker 1: as this young woman. Um, It's it's hard to fathom.

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Speaker 1: And she wrote things like You're finally going to be

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Speaker 1: happy in heaven, no more pain. It's okay to be scared,

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Speaker 1: and it's normal. I mean, you're about to die. Um.

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Speaker 1: And in fact, when Roy got into a car and

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Speaker 1: had set up the car to kill himself via carbon

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Speaker 1: monoxide poisoning from the exhaust, he got out, he decided

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Speaker 1: the last minute he wasn't going to go through with it,

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Speaker 1: and she texted him get back in. So she she

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Speaker 1: had plenty of opportunities, even after the weeks of uh

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Speaker 1: sadistic texts that were encouraging him to commit suicide. She

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Speaker 1: had an opportunity to finally save this young man's life,

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Speaker 1: or I should say, encourage him to save his own life.

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Speaker 1: And she did not take it. In fact, she did

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Speaker 1: the opposite. She she told him to get back in

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Speaker 1: the car and to kill himself. Now this sets. She

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Speaker 1: was found guilty, by the way, by a judge. She

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Speaker 1: did not want a jury trial, she wanted a bench trial,

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Speaker 1: and the judge found her guilty. And now she has

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Speaker 1: a sentence in coming up in August for involuntary manslaughter.

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Speaker 1: She could get twenty years up to twenty years in

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Speaker 1: prison for this. She was a juvenile at the time.

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Speaker 1: She was seventeen at the time of the suicide. So, uh,

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Speaker 1: this is a really horrific and tragic case. Um, but

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Speaker 1: it also sets a precedent, and it's one that I

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Speaker 1: know is see, I know the initial impulse here is

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Speaker 1: this young woman was being evil and cold and unfeeling

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Speaker 1: and sociopathic in her communications with this young man. But

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Speaker 1: now you have a legal precedent that's been set because

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Speaker 1: this young man who took his own life. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: did it. There was no no one was there to

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Speaker 1: assist him. No one, no one uh you know, turned

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Speaker 1: the car on. There was there was no help in

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Speaker 1: the act, and it was his free agency, his choice

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Speaker 1: to do this. UM. And I understand in this case

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Speaker 1: because it's so extreme, because there's such um excruciating sadism

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Speaker 1: in these text messages when you read them from this

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Speaker 1: young woman to this young man now deceased, that there

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Speaker 1: is a basic human impulse that that justice is that

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Speaker 1: this this woman needs to pay, she needs to pay

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Speaker 1: for what she did. But there's also the legal aspect

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Speaker 1: of this. And now you start to play this out

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Speaker 1: further beyond this case, and do we have a circumstance

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Speaker 1: where if somebody in a quick exchange, for example, on Facebook,

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Speaker 1: on are on Twitter. I'm sure some of you have

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Speaker 1: seen this, and and it's even written in a way

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Speaker 1: that sometimes it's supposed to be humorous but snide. Uh

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00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:56,040
Speaker 1: they'll say, they'll say, quote kill yourself, you know. Um,

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Speaker 1: They'll somebody will respond to somebody else on social media

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Speaker 1: in that way. If that person then goes and actually

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Speaker 1: takes his or her life a day, a week, a

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Speaker 1: month later, as the person who wrote to someone that

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Speaker 1: they've never even met, kill yourself, are they responsible for that? Now?

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Speaker 1: Are they legally criminally culpable for that act? If the

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Speaker 1: answer is no, we need to establish what the legal

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Speaker 1: rationales for it. Because if we're going to take the

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Speaker 1: act of suicide out of the hands of an individual

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00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 1: and say that somebody else is responsible for convincing that

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Speaker 1: person to do it, remember now facing twenty years in

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Speaker 1: prison for involuntary manslaughter, that could have implications in other

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00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: cases too. Also without getting into the morality or um

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Speaker 1: the ethics of assisted suicide, what does that mean now,

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Speaker 1: um in in states that are trying to make that

631
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Speaker 1: or that are in the process of making that legal,

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00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 1: or how does that affect the debate? But but more

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Speaker 1: to the point, um, here, if you tell someone or

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Speaker 1: if you if you use words and and tell someone

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Speaker 1: that they should go you know, oh you should go

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Speaker 1: take a long walk off a short pier, or you

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Speaker 1: know go, or you know, you're such an idiot, go

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Speaker 1: jump off a building. Somebody does that, you're now criminally

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Speaker 1: responsible for it. I know this case is visceral, This

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Speaker 1: one is. This is terrible what this girl did, a

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Speaker 1: young woman did. Um, But the legal precedent is also troubling. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if you if you play out in your head

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Speaker 1: and you look at this from the perspective of precedent,

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Speaker 1: now we have a situation where you know, a few

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Speaker 1: wrong words on social media, even if you have no

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Speaker 1: intent of anything like this happening. This woman clearly did

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Speaker 1: have this intent. It scenes from the text. But even

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Speaker 1: if you mean it in a joking fashion, well, are

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Speaker 1: you still going to be guilty of involuntary manslaughter? Are

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Speaker 1: we going to leave it up to prosecutors to uh

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Speaker 1: vine intent here when it comes to words that then

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Speaker 1: lead to someone else taking an action. Some very tricky

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Speaker 1: questions to be addressed. Um, But regardless, it's a tragedy here.

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Speaker 1: We've got more coming up. Team, I'll be right back.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to America now, Mr garbutschaf tear down this wall.

656
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Speaker 1: Either you're with us or you were with the terrorists.

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Speaker 1: If you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan.

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Speaker 1: If you are satisfied with Trunk is not the President

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Speaker 1: of the United States, take it to a bank. Together,

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Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never sharender. It's

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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton with

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Speaker 1: nine hundred to eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice,

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. Alright, team, it's Friday, and we're joined by

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Speaker 1: our friend for this freestyle of various news stories, Sean Davis.

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Speaker 1: He is, of course, a co founder of the Federalists.

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Speaker 1: You can follow him on Twitter at Shawn M d

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Speaker 1: a v. His latest is that CNN botch's basic gun fact,

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Speaker 1: then refuses to correct the error. Mr Davis, Always a pleasure,

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Speaker 1: always a pleasure to be here. Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, let's let's start. We got a couple

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Speaker 1: of news stories from today I want to get into.

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Speaker 1: But first guns, tell me about this specific error that

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Speaker 1: happened here at CNN. But but but also I mentioned this

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Speaker 1: yesterday I wanted your take on it. My sense is

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Speaker 1: that you're allowed to be a reporter, journalist, pundit, analyst,

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Speaker 1: any of the above and say incredibly incorrect and ridiculous

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Speaker 1: things about firearms, But as long as you're anti firearm,

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Speaker 1: it's like they don't care. That's for and that that's

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Speaker 1: really the root of this particular error. It's CNN. Um So,

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Speaker 1: according to law enforcement reports, Uh, the shooter on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: used an s KS rifle, which is World War Two

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Speaker 1: era Soviet rifle, and I believe he had a nine

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Speaker 1: millimeter pistol in his possession. Um So, rather than just

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Speaker 1: saying that, CNN and a whole bunch of other news

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Speaker 1: outlets decided to go at this myth that the s

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Speaker 1: K S is a variant of the a K for

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Speaker 1: the scary Russian actual assault rifle, capable of fully automatic

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Speaker 1: select fire, highly illegal, um prohibitively expensive. And this is

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Speaker 1: kind of what they do whenever there's a shooting, is

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Speaker 1: that they need to make sure whatever gun was used,

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Speaker 1: even if it was perfectly legal and would have been

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Speaker 1: perfectly legal under any number of laws they constantly proposed.

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Speaker 1: They have to make sure it sounds as scary as possible.

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Speaker 1: And whenever you point out to them that, you know,

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Speaker 1: actually words mean things, and these words have specific meanings

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Speaker 1: and you can't just keep getting this stuff wrong, they

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Speaker 1: just ignore you like it doesn't matter. They'll say, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're equivaling about semantics. Well, yes, when you are constantly

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Speaker 1: trying to ban guns based on features and function, Yeah,

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00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,440
Speaker 1: being semantic is kind of important because you don't just

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Speaker 1: get a pass a law that says scary guns are ikey.

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Speaker 1: They want to tell you that we need to ban

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Speaker 1: all these bad guns. But when you forced them to

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Speaker 1: actually say, okay, well define what those bad guns are,

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Speaker 1: they suddenly clam up. And it happened time and time

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Speaker 1: and time again. What's this New York Times lie about

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Speaker 1: gun laws to excuse leftist violence? That's all? You also

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Speaker 1: wrote this? Oh yeah, so the New York Times was

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Speaker 1: basically playing the same game they were going. And uh,

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Speaker 1: I believe in their their first editorial after the shooting, um,

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Speaker 1: they I don't recall specifically if they said it was

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Speaker 1: fully automatic, but they bolloxed up Virginia's gun laws. They

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Speaker 1: said that because he was in Virginia, which had blacks

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Speaker 1: gun laws, that he could legally get all these kinds

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Speaker 1: of rifles, which is not true under federal law. If

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Speaker 1: you are in the state where you're not a resident,

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Speaker 1: you have to go to a Federal Firearms licensee uh,

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Speaker 1: and you have to get a background check to get

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Speaker 1: any gun. Do you get a long gun after you

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Speaker 1: do your background check, you can pick it up there. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you want to buy a handgun, they have to

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Speaker 1: ship it back to your state and you can't even

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Speaker 1: take possession of it until you go to an FFL

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Speaker 1: in your state. This notion from the New York Times

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Speaker 1: that you can just hop and skip across the nation

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Speaker 1: buying up guns wherever you want to go because somebody

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Speaker 1: doesn't have background check. It's a total lie. The second

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Speaker 1: across the state line, you cannot legally possess or purchase

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Speaker 1: a new weapon without a background check. Sean Davis is

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Speaker 1: a co founder of the Federalist You Know Sean uh

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Speaker 1: news story just broke uh win the last couple of

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Speaker 1: hours here that a jury has acquitted of acquitted a

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Speaker 1: Minnesota police officer in the shooting death of Filando Castile. UH.

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Speaker 1: This officer was acquitted of manslaughter charges. Can you give

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Speaker 1: everybody just the backstory in case that has forgotten of

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Speaker 1: Filando Castile and then let's talk talk about what you

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Speaker 1: think about this case. But what happened here, So what

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Speaker 1: happened is cass Steele, and I believe either his wife

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Speaker 1: or his girlfriend, I don't, I don't remember. Uh, they

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Speaker 1: got pulled over. Uh, just kind of a garden variety

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Speaker 1: traffic stop, and cass Steele, who had a ballad concealed

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Speaker 1: carry permit, would legally carrying up pistol, told the officer,

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Speaker 1: I I have a firearm. Just it's something that concealed

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Speaker 1: carriers are generally trained to do. Be upfront and honest

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Speaker 1: with leefs, so they don't get scooped, they don't get scared.

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Speaker 1: And what happened after he did that is the cop

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Speaker 1: freaked down and said, don't reach for your weapon. Don't

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Speaker 1: reach your weapon. And according to what his wife or

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Speaker 1: girlfriend said, he was going for his license. He's trying

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Speaker 1: to get his license and insurance. This idea that he

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Speaker 1: was going to con you know, admit that he was

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Speaker 1: carrying a weapon and then go and grab for it.

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Speaker 1: It's crazy. And so the officer shot him I think

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Speaker 1: seven times, um and and killed him and uh in

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Speaker 1: the jury today. Now granted I was not sitting in

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Speaker 1: that courtroom. I didn't see what they did. The jury

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Speaker 1: acquitted the officer of manslaughter. And I just find it

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Speaker 1: amazing because what happened to Castile is every Confield carrier's

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Speaker 1: nightmare that you're just minding your business, you get pulled

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Speaker 1: over your fourth right about the fact that you're exercising

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Speaker 1: your Second Amendment rights legally and you get shot for it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it, it's it's heartbreaking and it's awful, and

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Speaker 1: you have to wonder, um, if if Cilando Castile was

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Speaker 1: John Smith, would this have happened? Would he have gotten shot? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a terrible tragedy. I feel really badly for Mr

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Speaker 1: Castile's family. And this is tough. I mean, an officer

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Speaker 1: charged with manslaughter here, Um, I think I'm wondering if

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Speaker 1: the officer can can be or would be UH sued

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Speaker 1: under wrongful death in in a civil court. Not that

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Speaker 1: that obviously Britain. But none of this can bring anybody back,

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Speaker 1: so that doesn't really factor into it. But it's just it.

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Speaker 1: This does feel. Um, this this feels wrong. Uh, this

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Speaker 1: is gonna be there. And I assume Sean that there

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Speaker 1: were protests in the past. My sense of this that

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Speaker 1: there will be more protests now and the protesters at

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Speaker 1: least as long as they remain peaceful and just expressing

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Speaker 1: their first amoundent rights they seem to have. They seem

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Speaker 1: to have a pretty strong point here. I think they

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Speaker 1: do this this to me. And again I was not

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Speaker 1: in a so that is a very And there is

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Speaker 1: a video actually just know to everybody, and you can

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Speaker 1: watch the video and it's it's tough. It's tough stuff

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Speaker 1: to watch, but go ahead. Yeah, but this was not

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Speaker 1: when when we see all these police involved shootings, this

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Speaker 1: was not a complicated gray area one. There's ones where

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Speaker 1: are like, oh man, I I don't know how I

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Speaker 1: would have reacted there. I can see where he was thinking. Um,

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Speaker 1: this particular one there is there is one I think

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Speaker 1: his name was John Crawford in Ohio who was shot

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Speaker 1: while he was talking on a cell phone and looking

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Speaker 1: at an air soft rifle and a Walmart by police.

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Speaker 1: Those are ones where you see thinking like, how how

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Speaker 1: on earth is this justified? How on earth was justice

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Speaker 1: served today? Um? There's there was no justification for what

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Speaker 1: happened to cast Deal. And so you know, if there

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Speaker 1: aren't protests and they keep it peaceful, I totally get it.

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Speaker 1: If if a friend of mine, if that happened to them,

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Speaker 1: they were minding their own business legally carrying, they got

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Speaker 1: shot killed, you better believe I would go out in protests.

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Speaker 1: Um So I totally understand where they're coming from. Its heartbreaking. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have a lot a lot of sympathy for the

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Speaker 1: Castile family here and and his friends and um uh,

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Speaker 1: you know this, this looks like a concealed carry law

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Speaker 1: bide and concealed carry permit holder and a cop cop made.

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Speaker 1: I do believe the cop made an error. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there was any animus, but it's a terrible error

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Speaker 1: to make, and someone lost their life because of it.

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Speaker 1: And it's just tragedy all around. And I wonder what

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Speaker 1: will turn into with these with these protests, I'm assuming

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Speaker 1: the protests will be getting going over the weekend. Sean,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to switch gears though, too. The the status

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Speaker 1: of in your mind right now of the Trump investigation.

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Speaker 1: He's been tweeting out the last twelve hours or so

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Speaker 1: that this is from the Donald himself. I'm being investigated

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Speaker 1: for finding the FBI director by the man who told

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Speaker 1: me to fire the FBI director, which hunt. And then

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Speaker 1: despite the phony which going on in America, the economic

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Speaker 1: and jobs numbers are great. Regulations way down, jobs and

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Speaker 1: enthusiasm way up. Do you think that Trump is causing

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Speaker 1: probably causing issues for himself by tweeting or do you

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Speaker 1: think that, as he says, the fake news media hates

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Speaker 1: it when I use when has turned out to be

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Speaker 1: my very powerful social media I can go around them.

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Speaker 1: I think he has a point and also he's not

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Speaker 1: helping himself. Um, I guess from my perspective, I would

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Speaker 1: love to know the actual facts. I would love to

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Speaker 1: know what's being investigated. I would love to know what

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Speaker 1: the evidence is. Um. If there was collusion and obstruction,

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Speaker 1: you know, we deserve to know about it. The American

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Speaker 1: people deserved an okamers deserves to know. What we don't

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Speaker 1: deserve is this ongoing eight months, shadowy, secret, illegal lead

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Speaker 1: campaign that is all smoked and no fire. And you

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Speaker 1: know when Trump says the guy who recommended, the guy

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Speaker 1: who told me, uh, firing Comey would be justified, is

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Speaker 1: now overseeing an investigation of Meat for engaging in a

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Speaker 1: just suppliable firing. Yeah, he's right, um, And I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of just beyond tired of all the inn window,

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Speaker 1: the leaking. The game's being played. Let's just get this

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Speaker 1: thing over with, get the facts out, do what we

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Speaker 1: need to do to make sure justice is served it

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Speaker 1: move on. Do you think there's any scenario in which

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Speaker 1: Trump actually fires Moeller. I've talked to a few people

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Speaker 1: about this this week. I think that's too far even

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Speaker 1: for Trump, although technically he could do it. Well. So

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Speaker 1: I learned my lesson from where I would go. I

848
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Speaker 1: would write, or I'd go on radio, and I'd say, oh,

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Speaker 1: He'll never do this. I'll never do that. I will

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Speaker 1: never again say Trump will never do anything. Um. I

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Speaker 1: think it is completely possible. My understanding of the Special

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Speaker 1: Council Special Prosecutor statute is that Trump personally cannot fire

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Speaker 1: a special Council. That has to be done by either

854
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Speaker 1: the a G or the Deputy a g M. But

855
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: I guess Trump could certainly fire the Deputy a G

856
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 1: and bring a new one. Um. So I'm I'm skeptical

857
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: or dubious of the legal mechanism by which Trump himself

858
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,840
Speaker 1: could personally fire Mueller. But I don't put it outside

859
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: the remo possibility at all that he may use his

860
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: power overseeing d O J. Well Sessions. Sessions has recused himself,

861
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: so it would it would be Rosenstein right at Rosenstein.

862
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: And I don't get the sense Rosenstein would do that.

863
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,560
Speaker 1: I mean he could, he could get rid of Rosenstein. Oh,

864
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: that's a good point. So that's that's what I mean.

865
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Speaker 1: It wouldn't. I will not put it out of the

866
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,760
Speaker 1: bounds of the possible that he could affect Mueller's firing

867
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Speaker 1: by changing around the d O J. Hierarchy. Um, I

868
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: just I learned my lesson from guessing what Trump who

869
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: can or will or never will do, So I'm not

870
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 1: playing that game anymore. I'm gonna say, you know, I'm

871
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:52,240
Speaker 1: very troubled by how many of my fellow Americans, it seems,

872
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: in the media and just across the country, Democrats mostly

873
00:49:56,680 --> 00:50:00,279
Speaker 1: or pretty much all, but they're so okay with the

874
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: idea that a process crime that gets a member of

875
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: the Trump administration is somehow justice. I feel like everybody

876
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,920
Speaker 1: should be much more wary of these things, these statutes

877
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: that exist where it's a little bit of interpretation. No

878
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: one's hurt, no one's harms, nothing has been stolen, no

879
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 1: one's been attacked. You know. But but you know, when

880
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about things like obstruction or uh, the interpretation

881
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 1: of perjury statutes, that that seems to be the focus

882
00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 1: of this entire Special Counsel investigation should be much more

883
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: troubling to people than it is, because that should put

884
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,880
Speaker 1: us all on edge. These are the these are the

885
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:38,760
Speaker 1: things people go to prison for who are good people

886
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: and didn't do anything wrong. Everybody, Oh, I mean, let's

887
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 1: look at Comy. Let's look at Comy's record on this.

888
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 1: This is a man who said Hillary did nothing wrong,

889
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:52,239
Speaker 1: and who also prosecuted Martha Stewart for denying that she

890
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: had committed a crime that the d J never charged

891
00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: her with. Okay, Comey and Mueller together went after a

892
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,120
Speaker 1: scientist any anthrax attack who had nothing whatsoever to do

893
00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 1: with it, and one of the most heinous botched criminal

894
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 1: investigations in the history of the FBIX. So what happened there,

895
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: by the way, because I know the Stewart and I

896
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,080
Speaker 1: know the Libby investigation very well, what happened with this scientist?

897
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: I know you wrote about this recently. We're speaking to

898
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: Sean Davis of The Federalist. By the way, everyone go ahead, Sean.

899
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,840
Speaker 1: So Molly Hemingway wrote a great keece exploring uh Comee

900
00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: and Mueller's very long history of screwing up criminal investigations.

901
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:33,760
Speaker 1: And one of them was of a scientist named Stephen

902
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: Hatsville Um and they had investigated him for a long time.

903
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:41,520
Speaker 1: They persecuted him. It's the guy who had taken the anthrax.

904
00:51:41,960 --> 00:51:44,360
Speaker 1: And it turns out antrak wasn't even his field of

905
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,239
Speaker 1: study like that. There's there's no reason that he would

906
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: have been involved in that. But they cooked up this

907
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: little scheme where they said the dogs had discovered it

908
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: on him, and the FBI dogs knew that he had

909
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:57,839
Speaker 1: done it, and they ended up having to settle with

910
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,680
Speaker 1: him for like a multimillion dollars suit um for for

911
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: wrongful persecution. It was an absolute nightmare. And it was

912
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: Kobe and Mueller working together. Who did it? Why do

913
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 1: these guys have the reputations they do, is what I

914
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 1: was want to ask. It's just crazy to me. Then,

915
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: it's just, uh, it's so obvious to me that there's

916
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: a lot of political stuff going on with them. But

917
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: all right, we gotta leave it there for now. Have

918
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Speaker 1: a great weekend, Sean, thank you for joining us, Shawn Davis,

919
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:25,959
Speaker 1: everybody of the Federalist dot Com, thank you, sir, Thank

920
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 1: you team. Hitting a quick break, we'll be right back Therefore,

921
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: effective immediately, I am canceling the last administrations completely one

922
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: sided deal with Cuba, President Trump deciding that President Obama's

923
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: legacy item of loosening things up with regard to Cuba

924
00:52:55,880 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: will be no more. Here's CNN reporting all this. Although

925
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: Trump said he was completely canceling Obama's Cuba policy, that

926
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:08,880
Speaker 1: change is imposture, is only a partial shift away from

927
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: Obama's policy. Diplomatic relations between the United States and Cuba

928
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: will remain open, as will the newly opened embassies in

929
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:19,440
Speaker 1: Washington and Havana, and there will be no further restrictions

930
00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:21,879
Speaker 1: on the type of goods that Americans can take out

931
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,680
Speaker 1: of Cuba, including the country's popular Roman cigars. For those

932
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,759
Speaker 1: of you who like Cuban cigars and the rum, you're

933
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:31,759
Speaker 1: still good to go. Um. The changes, however, sorry, back

934
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: to back to the news strarior. The changes, however, do

935
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: tighten restrictions on Cuba and ratchet up rhetoric on the

936
00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: Castro regime in hopes that it will lead to a

937
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,319
Speaker 1: transition of power on the island. So there there will

938
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: be a bit of a return um and that also

939
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,359
Speaker 1: means a bit of a return to the policy pre

940
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,760
Speaker 1: Obama and also quote, the Trump administration will begin strictly

941
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: enforcing the authorized exemptions that allow travel between the US

942
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 1: and Cuba and prohibit bit commerce with Cuban businesses owned

943
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:10,760
Speaker 1: by the military and intelligence services. The President also directed

944
00:54:10,760 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to convene a task force

945
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 1: on expanding internet access on the island and reader at

946
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,360
Speaker 1: the United States opposition two efforts in the U n

947
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 1: to lift the Cuban embargo until more is done. So, look,

948
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: all right, that's what he's doing. Is so they're they're

949
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 1: keeping a little bit of the Obama administration uh faw

950
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:33,799
Speaker 1: in US Cuba relations, but they're really just leaving open

951
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 1: the lines of communication. They're still trying to take a

952
00:54:38,120 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: punitive and somewhat adversarial posture toward the regime, which I

953
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: think makes a lot of sense. Look first of all,

954
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,400
Speaker 1: that that there was ever a time in this country

955
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,839
Speaker 1: when you'd get in trouble for having Cuban cigars. I mean,

956
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 1: cigars are legal, but you can't have Cuban cigars because

957
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:57,400
Speaker 1: of the embargo. This is nonsense. Sorry, This is like

958
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:00,600
Speaker 1: the prohibition on so many levels of many of many

959
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:06,400
Speaker 1: different things. I find to be unhelpful and quite honestly,

960
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: just a bad idea from the government's perspective. But that

961
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: you're but that something could be a legal substance, but

962
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: if it comes from one country, it's illegal. I think

963
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: that's silliness. And I don't know if Cuban rum is

964
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,400
Speaker 1: particularly good or not, but I'm sure it's quite tasty.

965
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 1: Although I don't drink much rum. I gotta that's rare

966
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: for me to drink rum. Like I never go to

967
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,440
Speaker 1: a bar and like give me rum on the rocks, right.

968
00:55:28,440 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: I usually think of rum is what you know, uh,

969
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,880
Speaker 1: college kids on spring break drink with lots of mixers

970
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: and stuff in it. Anyway. Uh. The administration, though, is

971
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 1: still saying that Cuba has to tighten up it's human uh,

972
00:55:41,600 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: it's human rights record, it needs to open up for

973
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 1: free elections. Um. And he hasn't forgotten something that I

974
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,160
Speaker 1: think is particularly important, which is that this regime is

975
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:59,120
Speaker 1: still a tyrannical regime. These are still the same people

976
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: in charge. Can you These are still people who we

977
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 1: should not view as just being uh, no problem at all,

978
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 1: because they are tyrants, they are dictators. Um, here's what

979
00:56:11,400 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: he said. For nearly six decades, the Cuban people have

980
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 1: suffered under communist domination. To this day, Cuba is ruled

981
00:56:20,880 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: by the same people who killed tens of thousands of

982
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 1: their own citizens while imprisoning innocence. It has harbored cop killers, hijackers,

983
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:38,960
Speaker 1: and terrorists. It has supported human trafficking, forced labor, and

984
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,920
Speaker 1: exploitation all around the globe. This is the simple truth

985
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: of the Castro regime. My administration will not hide from it,

986
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: excuse it, or glamorize it. Did you hear much of

987
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: any event from the Obama administration? In fact, that the

988
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: media it what along with Obama's actions towards Cuba, as

989
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: though Cuba was this injured and almost innocent party to

990
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 1: American Yankee imperialist aggression of some kind. You know, the

991
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: media's love affair with all communist status regimes, uh, certainly

992
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 1: extends to Cuba, and in fact, in some ways the romanticism,

993
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 1: whether it's Michael Moore with his documentary, or any number

994
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,560
Speaker 1: of celebrities who travel to Cuba and talk about what

995
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: a great place is, what a great health care system

996
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: it has, which is not even true, by the way.

997
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: There's different health care system for the connected versus the

998
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 1: average Cuban citizen. Um. But Trump hasn't forgotten that this

999
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: is a regime that's got to go, and so he

1000
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: is adjusting the policy accordingly. And I think it's entirely sensible,

1001
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: and I think the President should be applauded for it.

1002
00:57:50,560 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: But it also is undoing one of Obama's legacy items,

1003
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: which I'm sure is going to rankle the reporters that

1004
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:00,880
Speaker 1: supported him and the Democrat Party in general. Uh, team,

1005
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna hit a quick break coming up here. We've

1006
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: got much more show coming. Be right back. What is

1007
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: President Trump's immigration policy going to be? I think it's

1008
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 1: an entirely fair question to ask based on the latest

1009
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,120
Speaker 1: news we see today. Here's the New York Times. President

1010
00:58:27,120 --> 00:58:31,120
Speaker 1: Trump will not immediately eliminate protections for the so called dreamers,

1011
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,720
Speaker 1: undocumented immigrants who came to the United States as small children.

1012
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: According to new memorandums issued by the administration, Thursday night,

1013
00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:42,200
Speaker 1: but White House officials said Friday morning that Mr Trump

1014
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 1: had not made a decision about the long term fate

1015
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: of the program, and might yet follow through on a

1016
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:51,560
Speaker 1: campaign pledge to take away work permits from the immigrants

1017
00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:54,480
Speaker 1: or deport them. The Department of hooland Security announced that

1018
00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 1: would continue the Obama era program and tend to protect

1019
00:58:57,120 --> 00:59:00,400
Speaker 1: those immigrants from deportation and provide them with work permits

1020
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 1: so they can find legal employment. So here is the

1021
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: president who one on a platform of immigration enforcement. You know,

1022
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 1: I remember him saying, you know, they have to they

1023
00:59:14,080 --> 00:59:16,400
Speaker 1: have to go. You know, I'm sorry, but they have

1024
00:59:16,520 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 1: to go. The president is now it seems at least delaying,

1025
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 1: at least delaying the issue of what to do for Dreamers. Um,

1026
00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 1: I think this is there. There could be some strategy

1027
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: that the President is deploying here because while he is

1028
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: keeping in place, uh, the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals data,

1029
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 1: that's one policy he did this week get rid in

1030
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: the same memorandums from last night memoranda, he did get

1031
00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: rid of DAPPA, which is the deferred action for parents

1032
00:59:58,400 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: of Americans and lawful permanent residents. So the parents of

1033
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: Dreamers were also covered under this Obama administration policy, and

1034
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 1: Trump has rescinded that. So now that was never officially implemented.

1035
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 1: It was stuck in the courts. But that was an

1036
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:22,640
Speaker 1: executive order. And you will recall this is how Obama

1037
01:00:22,680 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: tried to get through what was effectively executive amnesty. Right.

1038
01:00:27,640 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 1: It was extending it beyond what extended beyond you know,

1039
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: anything that had been done UH in the past. Right,

1040
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:40,040
Speaker 1: President Obama decided that he was just going to push

1041
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:45,560
Speaker 1: forward and with pen and phone give a legal status

1042
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:49,240
Speaker 1: to people who were the parents of those who arrived

1043
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: in or brought to America illegally as children. But that

1044
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 1: was in the courts. UH, that was still working its

1045
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 1: way through, so it was never fully implemented. The Department

1046
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: of Homeland Security under Obama was in the process at

1047
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: the time of trying to come up with work permits

1048
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,720
Speaker 1: because the plan, and people often forget this, now, the

1049
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: plan that Obama was trying to implement was to go

1050
01:01:14,520 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: forward with this, make this a done deal before the

1051
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 1: courts could even look at it. Because if people have

1052
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: work permits that they have been granted an official UH

1053
01:01:25,800 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: an official right to be in the country, then it's

1054
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 1: very hard. It's much harder to take it away. So look,

1055
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:36,440
Speaker 1: Trump had said during the campaign he would get rid

1056
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: of DACCA and DAPPA entirely, um, but he has kept

1057
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:47,840
Speaker 1: issuing the Dacca deferred action for childhood arrivals permits. So

1058
01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,440
Speaker 1: if you were brought here as a kid, um, then

1059
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: you can still stay under Trump. But if you are

1060
01:01:55,080 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: a parent, if somebody brought here, if you're a parent

1061
01:01:57,400 --> 01:01:59,880
Speaker 1: who brought somebody here illegally and you're illegal, you know

1062
01:02:00,120 --> 01:02:03,800
Speaker 1: longer would get even if the courts agreed with it,

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Speaker 1: you no longer would get protection under the executive branch

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Speaker 1: decision here. So that would have been, by the way,

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Speaker 1: five million new work permits. Um. It would have given

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Speaker 1: five million people work permits. And you know that would

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Speaker 1: have had an effect I think on employment in some

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01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 1: parts of the country, not in a massive scale, but

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01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 1: it certainly would have had an impact. UM. Now, so

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01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 1: we have to wonder is Trump's just taking this step

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01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:36,520
Speaker 1: by step or is he um really preparing I think,

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01:02:36,720 --> 01:02:38,600
Speaker 1: or you know, has he changed his mind? Right? Is

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01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 1: he preparing to do more? And is he going to

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01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: get rid of DOCCA. Now that's a lot of Republicans

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01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: like DOCCA. So that will be interesting to see where

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01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: he where he ends up on this issue. Um. By

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01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:53,360
Speaker 1: the way, also, I can't just talk abo immigration without

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01:02:53,400 --> 01:02:56,640
Speaker 1: mentioning that the wall has got to get built, because

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01:02:56,800 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: if he doesn't start building this wall, and I know

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01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: he's got time, and he followed through with one promise

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01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 1: last night with DAPPA deferred action for parents of arrivals

1082
01:03:05,760 --> 01:03:08,760
Speaker 1: DOCCA still in effect though, deferred action for childhood arrivals.

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01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 1: But build the wall, Build the wall. That was the

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01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 1: chant all during Trump's campaign. And to go into the

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01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:20,520
Speaker 1: mid terms, which it's already summertime the fall, you're gonna

1086
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: have some fierce battles over legislation and over the budget,

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01:03:25,200 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: and the midterms are gonna loom over all of this.

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01:03:28,120 --> 01:03:30,000
Speaker 1: And as I've said to you and others have to

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01:03:30,640 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: if Trump loses the House, they're going to impeach him. Okay,

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01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: so the stakes here are no less than that, um.

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01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 1: But if he doesn't get the wall at least started,

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01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:44,000
Speaker 1: I think the opposition is going to have quite a

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01:03:44,080 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 1: day with it. They're gonna be able to run all

1094
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 1: of the promises, all the times that Trump promised that

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01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: he would go forward and build a wall, they can

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01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:56,760
Speaker 1: just loop this all together and they'll be in a

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01:03:56,800 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: place where they can say that Trump's primary his primary

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01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:06,600
Speaker 1: platform promise of building a wall has not come to fruition.

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01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: And if that's the case, I do think you're gonna

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01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: have some people who are very frustrated and who are

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01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 1: going to turn around and say, you know what. Um,

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01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:15,920
Speaker 1: you know, he didn't keep that promise, and that might

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 1: have an effect in the mid terms. So he's he's

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01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: gotta he's gotta build the wall. I mean, I know

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01:04:21,200 --> 01:04:24,680
Speaker 1: he got rid of Dappa last night, and I think

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01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:27,520
Speaker 1: the courts would have dealt away and dealt with that anyway. Um,

1107
01:04:27,560 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 1: but the wall has to get done this fall or else.

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01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:33,760
Speaker 1: It is gonna be a rough session, I think in

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01:04:33,800 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 1: the mid terms, and if that gets bad enough, trump

1110
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: impeachment looms over the horizon if the Democrats take the House.

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01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about Walmart and Amazon

1112
01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: and some big moves in just a few Stay with me.

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01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: I'm somebody who gets excited about food. I like food

1114
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 1: a lot. Um probably spend too much money on food

1115
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 1: based on what I make, and I'm very particular about,

1116
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: for example, my bacon and my eggs and meat. I'm

1117
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:16,360
Speaker 1: very into certain quality and standard of meat. And anyway,

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01:05:16,520 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: I like food a lot, and the term foodie has

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01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of become a disparaging term for people to take

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01:05:22,040 --> 01:05:24,840
Speaker 1: photos of their food at restaurants. I don't do that.

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01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:27,160
Speaker 1: It's like, oh my gosh, like look at this thing

1122
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,120
Speaker 1: that's on my playd. It's like I'm hanging like drizzle

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01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: the thoughts on that, Like, I don't do that. I'm

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01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: not into Yeah, nobody really wants to see. It's like,

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Speaker 1: did you see this chart Octipus Sella that I have

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01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: on my plate? Nobody cares. So um. I do pay

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01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:49,760
Speaker 1: attention though, to the different methods that we have now

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Speaker 1: to get food in In In New York City, for example,

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01:05:51,640 --> 01:05:54,000
Speaker 1: there are a couple of delivery services where you can go.

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01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,960
Speaker 1: I can sit on my smartphone, push a few different

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01:05:57,480 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: push a few different buttons on the screen, and have

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01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: food delivered to me in within an hour with one service,

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01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:08,000
Speaker 1: but certainly within twenty four hours with a much bigger service.

1134
01:06:08,080 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: So I can do all my grocery shopping from my smartphone,

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01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:13,600
Speaker 1: which is which is pretty amazing. I mean, here we are.

1136
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: You know, thirty years ago people wouldn't have well if

1137
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:19,440
Speaker 1: they they thought this would be a future where they

1138
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 1: were flying cars. That's probably always off to um. But

1139
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 1: you can get all your groceries on your phone. Uh.

1140
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:31,160
Speaker 1: And you hope that these improvements in technology will also

1141
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:34,120
Speaker 1: mean that food prices will go down, although it feels

1142
01:06:34,120 --> 01:06:37,400
Speaker 1: like that hasn't really happened. Although maybe that's just because

1143
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:41,560
Speaker 1: I'm always drinking you know, organic sustainable hormone hormone free

1144
01:06:42,560 --> 01:06:45,520
Speaker 1: milk um instead of just like m I l K

1145
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:49,360
Speaker 1: that you can get at CVS. But a big, big

1146
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,760
Speaker 1: thing happened today that might affect a lot of us,

1147
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,960
Speaker 1: and that is that Amazon, which is the online retailer.

1148
01:06:57,800 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: I mean I remember when it was just like where

1149
01:06:59,200 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: do you get a book? Go to Amazon dot com.

1150
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 1: I mean, now, what do you need? You go to

1151
01:07:03,320 --> 01:07:05,400
Speaker 1: Amazon dot com and it seems to have it. It's

1152
01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:08,240
Speaker 1: just it's incredible and the speed with which it can

1153
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: get you items and just the the the sheer magnitude

1154
01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: of its catalog of its offering is crazy. Um. But

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01:07:18,120 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 1: Amazon today on this you know, Friday June, you know

1156
01:07:22,800 --> 01:07:25,000
Speaker 1: it's kind of random. You know a lot of people

1157
01:07:25,040 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: heading out to the beach or whatever and or you know,

1158
01:07:27,640 --> 01:07:30,880
Speaker 1: going to the lake for the weekend. Amazon bought Whole Foods,

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01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,880
Speaker 1: which is also known to some of my friends or

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01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: is derided as Whole Paycheck because the food is so

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01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: expensive there. But Amazon dot Com bought Whole Foods for

1162
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: thirteen point seven billion dollars. Now, this in and of itself, um,

1163
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: I think tells us that food and where we're getting

1164
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:58,240
Speaker 1: our food, this is all going to change very rapidly. Um.

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01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:02,120
Speaker 1: You're the same way that your neighbor hood bookstore is

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: has been largely put out of business, except maybe some

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01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 1: of them have held on. But most most small bookstores,

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01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 1: even Barnes and Noble forget about small bookstores. Even massive

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01:08:12,560 --> 01:08:16,640
Speaker 1: chains were crushed by this. And I remember h m

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01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: V with c d s before the digital music era

1171
01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:23,760
Speaker 1: when everyone was just downloading everything. I remember when h

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01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: MV was this huge store that would sell c d

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01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:28,600
Speaker 1: s to people, and you go in there and it

1174
01:08:28,720 --> 01:08:30,880
Speaker 1: was this whole experience. You want to get a cool CD.

1175
01:08:31,560 --> 01:08:34,200
Speaker 1: And then it was all downloaded, and hmvs all went away,

1176
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:37,480
Speaker 1: and you know, Virgin megastores and those went away, and

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01:08:37,760 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 1: you know then Barnes and Noble and that's gone away. Uh,

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: and bookstores have gone away. I think you know, your

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01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:49,160
Speaker 1: neighborhood grocery stores in trouble Um. I think your local

1180
01:08:49,240 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 1: grocer is going to have a tough time here competing

1181
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 1: because Amazon's logistics and technology and delivery services are going

1182
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: to be so superior and so all encompassing that they're

1183
01:09:02,520 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: just gonna be able to I mean, as much as

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01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,719
Speaker 1: you may be like, well, I like my local grocery store,

1185
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 1: and you know, I I like the people that work

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01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,080
Speaker 1: there and everything, and I totally understand and appreciate that

1187
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: your local grocery store pretty soon in the next couple

1188
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: of years is going to be competing against Hey, what

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01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 1: food do you want. We'll deliver it to you. You You

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01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,240
Speaker 1: don't even have to leave your home, and we'll get

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01:09:23,240 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 1: it to your door, and it'll be at the best

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01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:29,400
Speaker 1: price you can possibly get a maximum level of freshness.

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01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:34,559
Speaker 1: That's gonna be really hard to compete with. Uh And

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01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:36,679
Speaker 1: what does that mean, by the way, for a lot

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01:09:36,720 --> 01:09:39,600
Speaker 1: of you know, a lot of grocery stores employ a

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01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:41,120
Speaker 1: lot of people that you could say, oh, buck the

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01:09:41,160 --> 01:09:44,840
Speaker 1: Amazon warehouses where they're gonna have this food and they're

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01:09:44,840 --> 01:09:47,120
Speaker 1: gonna move it out, Maybe they'll be jobs there and

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01:09:47,160 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 1: there'll be some transfer of jobs. But it's kind of

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01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,680
Speaker 1: like with retail. You know, retail stores are in a

1201
01:09:52,720 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: lot of trouble. Ten percent of jobs in this country

1202
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,160
Speaker 1: are in fact in retail stores, and those jobs are

1203
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: not coming back. There may be a displacement in other

1204
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:06,320
Speaker 1: other areas. But when you can buy the size, the shoe,

1205
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: the shirt, whatever it is you want online, uh, it's

1206
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 1: not clear at all why you would necessarily go to

1207
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,479
Speaker 1: a store unless it's an experience, right, unless they can

1208
01:10:15,520 --> 01:10:19,240
Speaker 1: create a physical brick and mortar experience for you that's

1209
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:23,640
Speaker 1: superior to what you would get from just an online

1210
01:10:23,840 --> 01:10:29,519
Speaker 1: shopping experience. And uh oh, by the way, Bonobos which

1211
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 1: are a kind of chimpanzee as a small chimpanzee, um,

1212
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,799
Speaker 1: but are also a clothing brand. But Nobos was purchased

1213
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,800
Speaker 1: today for millions, many millions of dollars. I forget what

1214
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: the exact price was by Walmart. Ah, Walmart is buying

1215
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 1: a kind of high end boot and I mean not

1216
01:10:54,600 --> 01:10:57,719
Speaker 1: a high end like Chanel, but you know, a fashion

1217
01:10:57,800 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 1: label that has done reason blee well and they're still

1218
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:05,280
Speaker 1: going to be selling it under the Bonobo's brand. But

1219
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:09,679
Speaker 1: Walmart's gonna be handling logistics, so now Walmart's picking off

1220
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,240
Speaker 1: clothing brands. You see what's happening here is there is

1221
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:18,920
Speaker 1: a consolidation by these tech giants. There's a consolidation of

1222
01:11:18,920 --> 01:11:23,679
Speaker 1: of brands that you know have already been established under

1223
01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:29,680
Speaker 1: these be a myth mega companies like Amazon and Walmart

1224
01:11:30,840 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: because they have the cash to buy them and they

1225
01:11:32,720 --> 01:11:37,760
Speaker 1: have the delivery mechanisms in place to blow anyone else

1226
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,080
Speaker 1: out of the water who tries to compete on price

1227
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:43,479
Speaker 1: or on service for that matter. Uh. Look, I buy

1228
01:11:43,520 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff off of Amazon. I have gotten

1229
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,360
Speaker 1: so lazy now that I'm like, I need toothpaste Amazon Prime.

1230
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:53,080
Speaker 1: I need some dealderant Amazon Prime. You know, I mean

1231
01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 1: you can just I mean it's great. I have to

1232
01:11:55,560 --> 01:11:59,280
Speaker 1: stop myself from just buying used books off of Amazon too.

1233
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,960
Speaker 1: Problem with buying the used books, by the way, you

1234
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,000
Speaker 1: can get the used books, but the shipping is always

1235
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,000
Speaker 1: like five bucks, so it's not as cheap as you

1236
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:11,400
Speaker 1: think it is. Um. But you know, Amazon has completely

1237
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: changed the uh the actual physical book business. It wasn't

1238
01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:18,680
Speaker 1: as much of it. It didn't get rid of it

1239
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,040
Speaker 1: entirely the way people, I think thought they would. With

1240
01:12:22,200 --> 01:12:25,920
Speaker 1: the kindles and the downloads I do. I do both right.

1241
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a actual tactile physical book owner. I

1242
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 1: have a bookshelf with many books that I treasure on it. Uh.

1243
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 1: And I also have a Kindle that I used pretty frequently,

1244
01:12:35,000 --> 01:12:36,960
Speaker 1: and I have a Kindle app on my phone. I'm

1245
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:40,040
Speaker 1: sometimes pretty anti social and sit at a bar by

1246
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: myself in New York City, eat dinner and and read

1247
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,120
Speaker 1: my kindle. Um. And I think that's great. By the way,

1248
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:48,320
Speaker 1: I highly recommend it. Why is that weird at all?

1249
01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: The people? You go to a bar, you sit there,

1250
01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 1: you order food. I mean, this is completely acceptable as

1251
01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: far as I'm concerned, Because don't you feel weird eating alone? No? No,

1252
01:12:57,680 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 1: I do not feel weird. You do alone. In fact,

1253
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 1: sometimes it's really great to just enjoy the food and

1254
01:13:03,080 --> 01:13:05,880
Speaker 1: not feel like you have to engage in some kind

1255
01:13:05,880 --> 01:13:09,360
Speaker 1: of conversation. But anyway, so I do recommend that to

1256
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,120
Speaker 1: you wherever you are across the country. If there's a

1257
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:13,120
Speaker 1: place that has a good burger and you don't feel

1258
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 1: like cooking, you know, just in your solo, just just

1259
01:13:16,160 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: roll the bar yourself sitting at a table across from

1260
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 1: an empty chair. That that feels a little weird to me.

1261
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: I've done that too, but you know, I'm kind of

1262
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,679
Speaker 1: an unusual dude. But sitting at the bar and ordering

1263
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 1: is great, you know, and some of the people chat

1264
01:13:29,439 --> 01:13:33,960
Speaker 1: you up. Bartender's friendly. Anyway, back to this massive acquisition,

1265
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:38,839
Speaker 1: thirteen billion dollar acquisition of Whole Foods, which is the gourmet,

1266
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:43,759
Speaker 1: high end grocery chain that really brought organic organic food

1267
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: to be. It was part of organic food becoming a

1268
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: national phenomenon um. And look, but it is really it

1269
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,799
Speaker 1: is expensive. I mean, that's the thing that Whole Foods.

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01:13:52,840 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 1: The stuff in there is is quite pricey. I I

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Speaker 1: always thought it's been bought by Amazon. Amazon has all

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Speaker 1: these warehouses ready to go, and they're just going to

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Speaker 1: be able to create a you know, it's certainly in

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Speaker 1: every major city and even probably mid size of smaller

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Speaker 1: cities across the country. I don't know how this will

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Speaker 1: affect rural areas, but in in any you know, if

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Speaker 1: you live in in a city or in the suburbs

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Speaker 1: of a city, Amazon is gonna be able to do

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Speaker 1: for you for groceries what it does for books. And

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Speaker 1: this is gonna have this is gonna change, This is

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Speaker 1: gonna change employment in the grocery industry, and I mean this,

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Speaker 1: this company is it feels more and more like we're

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Speaker 1: gonna be left with five major companies that do like

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Speaker 1: of the retail and and uh, the retail business in

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Speaker 1: this country. You know, it feels like the consolidation is

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Speaker 1: happening at breakneck speed. And and you'll you'll see Amazon, Amazon, Walmart.

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Speaker 1: These are massive logistics and technology company. Amazon's more tech company, Walmarts.

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Speaker 1: More about the logistics, right, but those go hand in hand. Uh,

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Speaker 1: it's not possible for the little guys to compete with them.

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Speaker 1: It's not possible to set up a tiny brick and

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Speaker 1: mortar shop and compete on price. So now you have

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Speaker 1: to start thinking about whether you can do the Uh

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01:15:15,760 --> 01:15:18,360
Speaker 1: you have a you know, unique product, you can do

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Speaker 1: craftsmanship that's above what can be machine made. I mean

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Speaker 1: there are certainly ways that other smaller retail business I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're not all going to go away, but HMV Virgin Megastore,

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Speaker 1: Barnes and Noble. Uh. Now, whatever your local grocery store is,

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Speaker 1: I don't know where you are across the country. It varies,

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Speaker 1: the chains vary. But if I'm one of them right now,

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Speaker 1: I gotta figure that you know days are numbered. I mean,

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Speaker 1: maybe the best case scenario is Amazon buys you out

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Speaker 1: because they're just gonna come in, and that's gonna be

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Speaker 1: that's gonna be that um anyway, team, I'm gonna hit

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Speaker 1: a quick break here. We've got much more show, including

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Speaker 1: a fascinating history of which trials and which uh. President

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Speaker 1: Trump has been mentioning how he's in the midst of

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Speaker 1: a witch hunt, which I agree, I agree that he is,

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Speaker 1: but I want to tell you about actual witch hunts

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Speaker 1: and witch trials because it's a part of history that

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Speaker 1: I don't think it's nearly enough attention. Sure, there's a

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Speaker 1: Salem which trials which we've all heard of. I'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that, but there was a lot before that too,

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Speaker 1: in a long history stretching back millennia, of which is

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Speaker 1: will get into that a much more Stay with you.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to America, Mr garbutchaf teared down this wall. Either

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Speaker 1: you're with us or you were with the terrorists. If

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01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:43,679
Speaker 1: you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan.

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Speaker 1: If you are satisfied with Trump is not When President

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Speaker 1: of the United States take it to a bank. Together,

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Speaker 1: we will make America great again, Shard, It's what you've

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Speaker 1: been waiting for all day. But Sexton with America now

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Speaker 1: joined the conversation called Buck toll free at eight four

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Speaker 1: four hundred Buck. That's eight four four nine hundred to

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Speaker 1: eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, Buck Sexton, Well,

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Speaker 1: I respect the move, but the entire thing has been

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Speaker 1: a witch hunt, and there is no collusion between certainly

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Speaker 1: myself and my campaign. But I can always speak for

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Speaker 1: myself and the Russians. There we have the President of

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Speaker 1: the United States, Donald Trump, referring to a witch hunt

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Speaker 1: against him, and I know that this has now become

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Speaker 1: a commonplace term for any proceeding that is not about justice,

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Speaker 1: but is meant to serve some political end, usually as

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Speaker 1: a result of of a frenzy. It has very deep

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Speaker 1: historical roots. In fact, I wanted to take a little

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Speaker 1: time on this Friday to do a history deep dive

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Speaker 1: on which is, which hunts, which trials, of course ending

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Speaker 1: with the most famous trial on all of uh which history,

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Speaker 1: which would have been in Salem. But first let's just

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Speaker 1: talk about which is and how we got to which,

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Speaker 1: which hunts, which trials because they have a long standing

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Speaker 1: history here going back many centuries. And the first, which ever,

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Speaker 1: that we know of, at least in literature, well, depends

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Speaker 1: on what you view as literature and what you view

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Speaker 1: as the inspired word of God. Of course, but you

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Speaker 1: have references to which is in Deuteronomy, in the Bible,

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Speaker 1: in the Old Testament. You have in Deuteronomy nineteen it

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Speaker 1: says anyone who let there be not found among you

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Speaker 1: anyone who immolates his son or daughter in the fire,

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Speaker 1: nor a fortune teller, soothsayer, charmer, diviner, or castor of spells,

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Speaker 1: nor one who consults ghosts and spirits, or seeks oracles

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Speaker 1: from the dead. Anyone who does such things is an

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Speaker 1: abomination to the Lord. And because of such abominations, the

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Speaker 1: Lord your God is driving these nations out of your way.

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Speaker 1: In a more succinct reference to which is witchcraft and

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Speaker 1: those who are doing the spell casting of the devil.

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Speaker 1: Exodus twenty two eighteen has do not allow a sorceress

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Speaker 1: to live um. But perhaps the most famous ancient reference

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Speaker 1: of all to sorceress or to a sorceress or a

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Speaker 1: witch is in the Odyssey, the Companion to the Iliad

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Speaker 1: right the Great Siege of Troy, and then the Odyssey

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Speaker 1: when Odysseus is trying to make his way home. That's

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Speaker 1: where you have the first great literary reference to a witch,

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Speaker 1: and it's Cercy. Those of you who are a Game

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Speaker 1: of Thrones fans, I'm sure we'll take a moment to

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Speaker 1: pause and say, oh, yes, Cercy, like the evil queen

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Speaker 1: in Game of Thrones, although it's spelled differently. But here's

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Speaker 1: how they describe Sarcy. Here's how Cercy the witch in

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Speaker 1: around roughly the eighth century b c uh. This is

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Speaker 1: how they this is how they write of Searcy. Thence

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Speaker 1: we sailed on, glad to have escaped death, though we

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Speaker 1: had lost our comrades, and came to in a gan island,

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Speaker 1: where Cercy lives, a great and cunning goddess who's his

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Speaker 1: own sister to the magician a Etes, for they are

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Speaker 1: both children of the Sun, by Percy, who his daughter

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Speaker 1: to oceanics. We brought our ship into a safe harbor

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Speaker 1: without a word, for some God guided us thither, and

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Speaker 1: having landed, were there for two days and two nights,

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Speaker 1: worn out in body and mind. When the morning of

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Speaker 1: the third day came, I took my spear and my

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Speaker 1: sword and went away from the ship to reconnoiter and

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Speaker 1: see if I could discover signs of human handiwork, or

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Speaker 1: hear the sound of voices. Climbing to the top of

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Speaker 1: a high lookout, I espied the smoke of Sarcey's house

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Speaker 1: rising upwards amid a dense forest of trees. And when

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Speaker 1: I saw this, I doubted whether, having seen the smoke,

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Speaker 1: I would not go on at once and find out more.

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Speaker 1: But in the end I deemed it best to go

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Speaker 1: back to the ship, give my men their dinners, and

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Speaker 1: send some of them instead of going myself. This is

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Speaker 1: Odysseas speaking in the first writing in the first person. Here.

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Speaker 1: When they reached Sarcey's house, they found it built of

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Speaker 1: cut stones, on a site that could be seen from

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Speaker 1: far in the middle of the forest. There were wild

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Speaker 1: mountain wolves and lines prowling all around it, poor bewitched

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Speaker 1: creatures whom she attained by her enchantments and drugged into subjection.

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Speaker 1: They did not attack my men, but wagged their great tails,

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Speaker 1: falled upon them, and rubbed their noses lovingly against them,

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Speaker 1: as hounds crowd round their mass her when they see

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Speaker 1: him coming from dinner, for they know he will bring

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Speaker 1: them something. Even so did these wolves and lions with

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Speaker 1: their great claws fawn upon my men. But the men

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Speaker 1: were terribly frightened at seeing such strange creatures. Presently, they

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Speaker 1: reached the gates of the goddess's house, and as they

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Speaker 1: stood there they could hear Searcy within singing most beautifully

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Speaker 1: as she worked at her loom, making a web so fine,

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Speaker 1: so soft, and of such dazzling colors as no one

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Speaker 1: but a goddess could we ve. And then that's well.

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Speaker 1: From there we go to Searcy drugging the men, turning

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Speaker 1: them into pigs. Odysseus, because he is the clever Greek king,

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Speaker 1: out smarts her, and of course, because I mean this

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Speaker 1: is an adventure story, takes her to bed, and they

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Speaker 1: pretty much party on the island for two years after that,

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Speaker 1: before Disseas continues to make his way home. Um, but

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Speaker 1: there is a long STI so so just to establish

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Speaker 1: there's which is have been a part of literature and

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Speaker 1: a part of superstition, stretching back for well into truly

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Speaker 1: ancient ancient times. But for the purposes of our discussion,

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Speaker 1: a witch hunt, or the witch trial that follows it,

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Speaker 1: came into prominence in around the medieval period. Now you

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Speaker 1: had Augustine of Hippo San Augustine saying that or in

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Speaker 1: his philosophy and in his theology, there could be no

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Speaker 1: such thing as a witch because only or even Satanic power,

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Speaker 1: because only God had the power to bend the laws

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Speaker 1: of the universe. So for a while, uh, it wasn't

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Speaker 1: the case that you had a lot of witch hunting

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Speaker 1: within the Christian faith. But then things started to change

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Speaker 1: around the medieval period, early medieval period. Uh. And you

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Speaker 1: had in twelve oh eight, Pope Innocent the Third, because

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Speaker 1: of the various hair sees that the Catholic Church was

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Speaker 1: battling at the time, he attacked the Cathars who were heretics,

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Speaker 1: and he said that they were they believed in a

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Speaker 1: world in which God and Satan were at war. Um.

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Speaker 1: And the Church to criticize them, said that then in fact,

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Speaker 1: they worshiped the devil, that they were devil worshippers. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't just that they believed in an active battle between

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Speaker 1: God and Satan on earth, but that they were in

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Speaker 1: fact worshippers of the devil. Uh. And then later on

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Speaker 1: you had Thomas Aquinas in his Assuma Theologica makes the

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Speaker 1: case that which is seduced men lead them into temptation,

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Speaker 1: and so you start to see u two things coming together.

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Speaker 1: One is the notion of heresy and witchcraft going hand

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Speaker 1: in hand, and the all the the terrible battles, the

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Speaker 1: sectarian blood letting within medieval Europe, or this issue getting

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Speaker 1: tied in with the notion of witchcraft. If you were

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Speaker 1: a heretic, if you believed in some other interpretation of

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Speaker 1: Christianity from what was dogmatic in in Rome, you could

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Speaker 1: be viewed as well, not just a heretic, but also

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Speaker 1: they would look in your community for witchcraft or sorcery.

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Speaker 1: So you get into the mid fourteen hundreds and that's

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Speaker 1: when things really explode on the witchcraft and witch hunt front.

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Speaker 1: And for a little over a hundred and fifty years,

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Speaker 1: from roughly fifteen hundred until the late six or mid

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Speaker 1: late sixteen hundreds, you had in Europe alone tens of

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Speaker 1: thousands of suspected witches that were executed. This also became

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Speaker 1: a part of the inquisition um, but it would happen

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Speaker 1: in towns and cities all across Europe. There were major

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Speaker 1: trials in the whole variety of of places that became

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Speaker 1: quite famous because of well. First of all, the way

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Speaker 1: that they would try to figure out if somebody was

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Speaker 1: a witch is to this day well known, well known

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Speaker 1: to many of us. There were tests to see if

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Speaker 1: a witch could swim. So they would they would strip

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Speaker 1: a witch, an alleged witch uh down into her undergarments

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Speaker 1: and then they would throw her in the water to

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Speaker 1: see if she would sink or float. Um. They believe

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Speaker 1: that an innocent person would sink, but a witch would float. Uh.

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Speaker 1: They didn't really have much of an understanding I suppose

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Speaker 1: of of basic physics. So that was one way. They

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Speaker 1: had a prayer test. So they had they had suspected

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Speaker 1: witches recite a prayer and if they made any mistake,

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Speaker 1: if there are any errors in this, it could be

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Speaker 1: seen as evidence of their their guilt. I mean, this

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Speaker 1: reminds me of like my most terrifying days in Jesuit school.

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Speaker 1: You did not want to make any mistakes reciting any

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Speaker 1: prayer or during exogesus of the Bible. There was a test,

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Speaker 1: of course, of the cake. And this is completely insane.

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Speaker 1: I mean, all of this stuff is. But what they

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Speaker 1: would do is they would bake a cake using uh

1479
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:25,439
Speaker 1: urn and ashes and some kind of grain uh urn

1480
01:27:25,520 --> 01:27:28,840
Speaker 1: of urn from the the victim, and then they would

1481
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:32,640
Speaker 1: feed it to a a what they call a familiar,

1482
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,400
Speaker 1: which is an animal helper of somebody who engages with

1483
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:39,519
Speaker 1: the devil or spirit. And then if there was a

1484
01:27:39,520 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 1: spell for the animal, you would know that that person

1485
01:27:43,240 --> 01:27:47,840
Speaker 1: was a witch. Uh. And then perhaps among the most

1486
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,320
Speaker 1: famous and mean I know, the the possible drowning is

1487
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,599
Speaker 1: a very well known technique of establishing who's a witch

1488
01:27:53,600 --> 01:27:57,800
Speaker 1: and who's not. They would be stripped and examined in

1489
01:27:57,920 --> 01:28:03,200
Speaker 1: public looking for any kind of a mark of the devil.

1490
01:28:03,880 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 1: And this has come down just by the way you'll

1491
01:28:05,560 --> 01:28:08,479
Speaker 1: see this even in movies and pop culture about which

1492
01:28:08,520 --> 01:28:09,960
Speaker 1: is that there's a mark of the devil on a

1493
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,719
Speaker 1: witch uh. And those who are doing the examination would

1494
01:28:13,760 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 1: be specifically looking for a a witch is teet, for example,

1495
01:28:17,160 --> 01:28:20,519
Speaker 1: which would be considered an additional nipple somewhere. But as

1496
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: you can imagine, in the feverish and insane rush to

1497
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:30,360
Speaker 1: try and find a witch, sometimes they would decide that

1498
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:36,840
Speaker 1: a birthmark, a scar, any any imperfection of the skin

1499
01:28:37,080 --> 01:28:43,080
Speaker 1: really could become or could be used as evidence of

1500
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 1: a witch mark, and they would sometimes remove burn cut

1501
01:28:47,000 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 1: off this part of the body. But this was another

1502
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 1: tactic that they used, or another test I should say

1503
01:28:53,640 --> 01:28:56,200
Speaker 1: that they used to try and figure out whether somebody

1504
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: was a witch. So you can see how I mean

1505
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: superstition and pre pre Christian superstition filtered into all of this,

1506
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:10,320
Speaker 1: because yes, while Europe was Christian in the medieval period,

1507
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:15,280
Speaker 1: there were still a lot of leftover traditions, local rituals,

1508
01:29:15,320 --> 01:29:18,679
Speaker 1: and the concept of which is continued on. You also

1509
01:29:18,760 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: not just had heresy, but then a uh a melding

1510
01:29:24,280 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 1: of whitches as also those who seduce men in the

1511
01:29:28,600 --> 01:29:30,800
Speaker 1: medieval period as a mean, so this is where you

1512
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:37,120
Speaker 1: get the whole Christian sexuality tied into church doctrine and superstition.

1513
01:29:38,240 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: And in fact this leads to UH to to characters

1514
01:29:42,160 --> 01:29:46,479
Speaker 1: or or to demons known as incubi and sucubi or

1515
01:29:46,520 --> 01:29:49,680
Speaker 1: an incubus which is also the name of like relatively

1516
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 1: decent nineties rock band UH and a succubus, and they

1517
01:29:55,800 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: were demons that would seduce men and women. Obviously can

1518
01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:02,720
Speaker 1: that are the succubus was female would seduce men, and

1519
01:30:02,720 --> 01:30:05,799
Speaker 1: the incubus was male would seduce women uh in their

1520
01:30:05,880 --> 01:30:10,160
Speaker 1: sleep um. And this was also used by some as

1521
01:30:10,240 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 1: a as an explanation for what is medically referred to

1522
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:18,280
Speaker 1: as nocturnal emission, which I will let you figure out

1523
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,720
Speaker 1: what that is on your own time. Um. But this

1524
01:30:20,840 --> 01:30:24,080
Speaker 1: was a church at a church discussion, and that was

1525
01:30:24,120 --> 01:30:26,519
Speaker 1: what they said caused it. So the incubus and the

1526
01:30:26,560 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: succubus became well known characters, and so those who practiced

1527
01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:35,200
Speaker 1: witchcraft also. There was and there was a level of

1528
01:30:35,439 --> 01:30:39,960
Speaker 1: seduction and sexual deviancy that was tied into all of this,

1529
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: which of course is at odds with our thought of

1530
01:30:43,840 --> 01:30:47,519
Speaker 1: which is perhaps most famously in pop culture in modern

1531
01:30:47,560 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: times as having long, long hooked nose and long fingernails

1532
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:57,719
Speaker 1: and blue skin and uh a black hat and riding

1533
01:30:57,760 --> 01:30:59,680
Speaker 1: a broom in with the cats and all that. But

1534
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:04,080
Speaker 1: some of those elements, cats as familiars and uh certainly

1535
01:31:04,160 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 1: casting spells have their origins from over over millennia ago,

1536
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,800
Speaker 1: in fact, a couple of thousand years ago. You can

1537
01:31:11,840 --> 01:31:15,280
Speaker 1: go back and there's talk of witches casting spells. But

1538
01:31:15,479 --> 01:31:19,320
Speaker 1: this got even more heated and became an even bigger

1539
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:23,400
Speaker 1: issue to the craze in Europe and then even briefly

1540
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:27,560
Speaker 1: in America. In the fifteen hundreds and sixteen hundreds of witchcraft,

1541
01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:29,800
Speaker 1: witchcraft and witch trials. I want to talk to you

1542
01:31:29,800 --> 01:31:31,200
Speaker 1: more about that, but I'm gonna have to hit a

1543
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:34,120
Speaker 1: quick break. We'll talk about the Salem which trial in

1544
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:46,439
Speaker 1: just a few stay with them, Welcome back team, which

1545
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: is hit the big time in terms of culture. With Macbeth,

1546
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: you'll recall, i'm sure from a high school English class

1547
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:59,720
Speaker 1: when Banquo and Macbeth are greeted by three witches, and

1548
01:32:00,160 --> 01:32:05,800
Speaker 1: is of course that famous sequence of witches around the cauldron. Uh.

1549
01:32:05,960 --> 01:32:09,559
Speaker 1: And they say in the Poisoned Entrails Throw toad that

1550
01:32:09,720 --> 01:32:14,120
Speaker 1: under cold stone days and nights has thirty one sweltered

1551
01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 1: venom sleeping got boiled out first in the Charmed Pot double,

1552
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:24,560
Speaker 1: double toil, and trouble, fire, burn and cauldron bubble. Now

1553
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:29,599
Speaker 1: that's uh, sixteen oh six when it comes out. But

1554
01:32:30,520 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: this was a a very serious issue in terms of

1555
01:32:35,479 --> 01:32:39,720
Speaker 1: what was going on in the fifteen hundreds, uh, and

1556
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:43,120
Speaker 1: then into the sixteen hundreds. In Europe in fourteen eight

1557
01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:45,760
Speaker 1: so whiches were well known. But in fourteen eighty four,

1558
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:50,400
Speaker 1: the concept of which is Pope innocent announced that some

1559
01:32:50,520 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: German heretics were Satanists, and that they were meeting they

1560
01:32:55,960 --> 01:32:59,200
Speaker 1: were meeting with demons, and in fact he asked some

1561
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:04,479
Speaker 1: of his The poet asked Friars to create something called

1562
01:33:04,520 --> 01:33:10,280
Speaker 1: the Malleus maleficarum, the hammer of Witches, which was meant

1563
01:33:11,080 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 1: specifically to get rid of the previous Christian orthodoxy that

1564
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:19,519
Speaker 1: there was no problem with witches because only God could

1565
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,640
Speaker 1: have powers on this earth that would ban the laws

1566
01:33:22,680 --> 01:33:27,599
Speaker 1: of nature. So the pope had a couple of senior

1567
01:33:27,680 --> 01:33:33,560
Speaker 1: members of the church right something specifically, remember the Malleus

1568
01:33:33,680 --> 01:33:39,120
Speaker 1: maleficarum to the hammer of witches, make it a a

1569
01:33:39,240 --> 01:33:43,479
Speaker 1: now a necessity to hunt down and kill witches because

1570
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:46,800
Speaker 1: they were in fact a scourge, a real problem. And

1571
01:33:46,840 --> 01:33:50,639
Speaker 1: this leads in the into the hundreds to what I mentioned,

1572
01:33:50,640 --> 01:33:55,320
Speaker 1: which were a number of mass well over the period

1573
01:33:55,320 --> 01:33:57,439
Speaker 1: of time would turn out to be mass execution of

1574
01:33:57,479 --> 01:34:01,639
Speaker 1: women accused of this, of which aft in sorcery. Uh.

1575
01:34:01,680 --> 01:34:04,759
Speaker 1: They were also accused of performing abortions. They were accused

1576
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: of stealing um male body parts. There were all kinds

1577
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:13,639
Speaker 1: of accusations that were leveled. The numbers aren't exactly known.

1578
01:34:13,800 --> 01:34:16,880
Speaker 1: About eight out of ten killed were women. There were

1579
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:20,599
Speaker 1: some men put to death for sorcery UM, but mostly

1580
01:34:20,600 --> 01:34:23,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about women being killed for witchcraft here. And

1581
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:28,880
Speaker 1: you're looking at Germany with the highest numbers, probably in

1582
01:34:28,920 --> 01:34:33,080
Speaker 1: the thirty thousand range, more like ten thousand in France

1583
01:34:33,560 --> 01:34:37,960
Speaker 1: over this period of call it fifteen hundred to sixteen fifty.

1584
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,639
Speaker 1: And there were far few of these in England UM

1585
01:34:41,680 --> 01:34:45,240
Speaker 1: and in Ireland because of rights of the accused. But

1586
01:34:45,400 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 1: there was a very famous Scottish UH Scottish hysteria over

1587
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: which is and in fifteen nine one King James the

1588
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:59,519
Speaker 1: sixth of Scotland, who later on became Kim James the

1589
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:04,320
Speaker 1: First of England, was paranoid because he was part of

1590
01:35:04,400 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: a trip, a voyage to Scotland, and there was a

1591
01:35:09,520 --> 01:35:12,480
Speaker 1: bad storm and when he went to pick up his princess,

1592
01:35:12,520 --> 01:35:17,719
Speaker 1: as one does, uh Anne of Denmark and six Danish women.

1593
01:35:18,640 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 1: Uh confessed to this because the ship's captain blamed it

1594
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:24,719
Speaker 1: on witchcraft, and they actually got six Danish women to confess.

1595
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,360
Speaker 1: And then once he got back to Scotland, King James

1596
01:35:28,360 --> 01:35:33,679
Speaker 1: the sixth authorized in an inquisition of sorts for witches.

1597
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:38,680
Speaker 1: He authorized witch hunts and in North Berwick there were

1598
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:41,639
Speaker 1: dozens of women who were burned at the stake, burned

1599
01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:49,600
Speaker 1: alive in Fife for witchcraft. Um so this eventually it

1600
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:54,519
Speaker 1: it uh, it stopped in England in two that was

1601
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 1: the last time the English put anyone to death for witchcraft.

1602
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:04,600
Speaker 1: And the Lord Chief Justice, Sir Francis North, was instrumental

1603
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:07,560
Speaker 1: in in getting rid of this. He was saying that look, this, this,

1604
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:10,360
Speaker 1: the evidence that they're putting forth here is all nonsense.

1605
01:36:10,760 --> 01:36:13,439
Speaker 1: But you will you will recall we have not yet

1606
01:36:13,439 --> 01:36:17,920
Speaker 1: talked about the most famous American which trial, the Salem

1607
01:36:18,040 --> 01:36:22,920
Speaker 1: which trial, which occurred up in what is now Massachusetts.

1608
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,640
Speaker 1: I want to get into it, just a little bit

1609
01:36:25,640 --> 01:36:28,520
Speaker 1: of that. And then I promised we're going to switch topics.

1610
01:36:28,520 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 1: But which hunts the history of witches, that's what we're

1611
01:36:31,080 --> 01:36:43,280
Speaker 1: talking about here on Freestyle Friday. We'll be right back. Albeit,

1612
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,760
Speaker 1: the business of this witchcraft be very much transacted upon

1613
01:36:46,760 --> 01:36:50,559
Speaker 1: the stage of imagination. Yet we know that as in treason,

1614
01:36:50,960 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: there is an imagining, which is a capital crime. And

1615
01:36:54,439 --> 01:36:58,960
Speaker 1: here also the business thus managed in imagination, yet may

1616
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:04,479
Speaker 1: not be called imaginary. The effects are dreadfully real. Our

1617
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 1: dear neighbors are most really tormented really murdered, and really

1618
01:37:09,360 --> 01:37:13,720
Speaker 1: acquainted with hidden things which are afterwards proved plainly to

1619
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:17,679
Speaker 1: have been realities. I say then, that as a man

1620
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:21,000
Speaker 1: is justly executed for an assassinate, who, in the sight

1621
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 1: of men, show, with the sword in his hand, stab

1622
01:37:23,640 --> 01:37:27,160
Speaker 1: his neighbor into the heart. So suppose a long train

1623
01:37:27,360 --> 01:37:30,639
Speaker 1: laid unto a barrel of gunpowder under the floor where

1624
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:33,360
Speaker 1: a neighbor is, And suppose a man, with a match,

1625
01:37:33,439 --> 01:37:36,840
Speaker 1: perhaps in his mouth, out of sight, set fire unto

1626
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:39,880
Speaker 1: the further end of the train, though never so far off.

1627
01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: This man also is to be treated as equally a malefactor.

1628
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:49,080
Speaker 1: Our neighbors at Salem Village are blown up after a

1629
01:37:49,160 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: sort with an infernal gunpowder. The train is laid in

1630
01:37:53,160 --> 01:37:56,759
Speaker 1: the laws of the kingdom of darkness, limited by God himself.

1631
01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 1: Now the question is who gives fire to this train,

1632
01:38:00,600 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 1: and by what acts is the match applied? Find out

1633
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,439
Speaker 1: the persons that have done this thing, and be their

1634
01:38:06,479 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 1: acts and doing it, either mental or oral or manual,

1635
01:38:10,120 --> 01:38:12,920
Speaker 1: or what the devil will? I say to determine a

1636
01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:14,960
Speaker 1: matter so much in the dark as to know the

1637
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:17,680
Speaker 1: guilty employers of the devils in this work of darkness,

1638
01:38:18,160 --> 01:38:22,439
Speaker 1: is a labor, this is a work. Those are the

1639
01:38:22,479 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 1: words of a letter from John Richards in sixteen two

1640
01:38:28,320 --> 01:38:32,240
Speaker 1: with regard to the Salem witch trials. Now, John Richards

1641
01:38:32,560 --> 01:38:36,880
Speaker 1: was a colonial military officer and magistrate, writing his thoughts

1642
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: about what was going on at the time. Now, the

1643
01:38:39,800 --> 01:38:44,280
Speaker 1: Salem witch trials happened in colonial Massachusetts starting in the

1644
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:49,000
Speaker 1: year sixteen ninety two and ending in sixteen three. Uh.

1645
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,880
Speaker 1: This is in the American lexicon where we get the

1646
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,519
Speaker 1: notion of a witch hunt. As President Trump has referred

1647
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 1: to this special Council investigation into his conduct and into

1648
01:38:59,080 --> 01:39:04,320
Speaker 1: the alec ations increasingly flimsy allegations of Russia collusion with

1649
01:39:04,400 --> 01:39:07,360
Speaker 1: his administration. But if we go back to the late

1650
01:39:07,400 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 1: seventeenth century in the Massachusetts colony, you see that there

1651
01:39:12,200 --> 01:39:16,760
Speaker 1: was a form of hysteria that overtook, that overtook the

1652
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:22,840
Speaker 1: people of Salem, Massachusetts. There were over two hundred people

1653
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:26,960
Speaker 1: who ended up being accused of witchcraft in one form

1654
01:39:27,040 --> 01:39:30,679
Speaker 1: or another. Now, which is our servants of the devil,

1655
01:39:31,120 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 1: and familiars are servants of which is usually animals. This

1656
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:38,839
Speaker 1: is where we get cats. And this is also um

1657
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:41,679
Speaker 1: something that has gone on through the ages. This notion

1658
01:39:41,720 --> 01:39:45,400
Speaker 1: of which is is being able to enchant animals um

1659
01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:49,800
Speaker 1: and only twenty people of the two hundred accused in

1660
01:39:49,880 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 1: Massachusetts in sixteen nine, three were executed, and eventually the

1661
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:01,000
Speaker 1: colony realized that this was a terrible mistake most of

1662
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: those and and apologized for it and made some form

1663
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 1: of reparations to the families. Most of those killed were hanged,

1664
01:40:08,760 --> 01:40:13,120
Speaker 1: although one man who was accused of sorcery and involvement

1665
01:40:13,120 --> 01:40:16,920
Speaker 1: with witchcraft was killed by having stones placed on top

1666
01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:20,200
Speaker 1: of him and crushing him. And perhaps it's easiest to

1667
01:40:20,280 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 1: start our our brief look back into this moment of

1668
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:27,360
Speaker 1: Puritan lunacy. And remember this was a Puritan society, so

1669
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:30,720
Speaker 1: notions of good and evil and the devil and religiosity

1670
01:40:30,840 --> 01:40:36,040
Speaker 1: were intensely and closely held beliefs. And there was some

1671
01:40:36,360 --> 01:40:41,800
Speaker 1: strife in Salem, which is current day Danvers, Massachusetts. By

1672
01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 1: the way, Uh, Salem Village, which was in the mass

1673
01:40:45,720 --> 01:40:49,120
Speaker 1: Massachusetts Bay Colony is what we're talking about. And Salem

1674
01:40:49,200 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: Town later became what's known as Salem today. So there

1675
01:40:53,200 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 1: was Salem Village in Salem Town. We're talking about Salem Village.

1676
01:40:57,160 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 1: So those living in Danvers, I'm sure you know all

1677
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:03,679
Speaker 1: about this up in Instachusetts, But back to six to Salem,

1678
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:09,280
Speaker 1: you have the Reverend Paris. And here is how the

1679
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: Smithsonian magazine described the outbreak. In January two, Reverend Paris's

1680
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:19,480
Speaker 1: daughter Elizabeth, age nine, and niece Abigail Williams, age eleven,

1681
01:41:19,680 --> 01:41:24,599
Speaker 1: started having fits. They screamed through things, uttered peculiar sounds,

1682
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:28,120
Speaker 1: and contorted themselves into strange positions, and a local doctor

1683
01:41:28,200 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 1: blamed the supernatural. Another girl, and Putnam, aged eleven, experienced

1684
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:38,000
Speaker 1: similar symptoms. On February. Under pressure from magistrates Jonathan Corwin

1685
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:41,479
Speaker 1: and John Hawthorne, the girls blamed three women for reflect

1686
01:41:41,520 --> 01:41:46,240
Speaker 1: afflicting them, Tituba, the Paris's Caribbean slave, Sarah Good, a

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Speaker 1: homeless beggar, and Sarah Osborne, an elderly impoverished woman. All

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Speaker 1: three women were brought before the local magistrate and interrogated

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Speaker 1: for several days, starting on March first, sixteen. Osborne claimed

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Speaker 1: in since as did Good, but to Tuba confessed the

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01:42:03,400 --> 01:42:06,120
Speaker 1: devil came to me and bid me serve him. She

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Speaker 1: described elaborate images of black dogs, red cats, yellow birds,

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Speaker 1: and a black man who wanted her to sign his book.

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Speaker 1: She admitted that she signed the book and said that

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Speaker 1: there were several other witches looking to destroy the Puritans.

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01:42:18,120 --> 01:42:22,439
Speaker 1: All three women were put in jail with the seeds

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Speaker 1: of paranoia planted. A stream of accusations followed over the

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Speaker 1: next few months and quote so once this got started,

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Speaker 1: you can imagine it. It took over the imaginations of

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01:42:32,600 --> 01:42:39,479
Speaker 1: many in this little colonial town in Massachusetts, as little village.

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01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:45,120
Speaker 1: In more modern times, we can refer back to Arthur

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Speaker 1: Miller's The Crucible, which is loosely based on the whole

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Speaker 1: notion of the of the witch trial, the Salem witch Trial,

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01:42:54,840 --> 01:42:57,760
Speaker 1: and it is supposed to also be an allegory to

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Speaker 1: the McCarthy ism in the United States, and this whole

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01:43:01,479 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 1: notion of Soviet penetration of America was false. As it

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01:43:05,240 --> 01:43:09,040
Speaker 1: turns out that's not the case. Interesting that Arthur Miller

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01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:13,760
Speaker 1: Um with his The Crucible, with with The Crucible, Um

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01:43:14,040 --> 01:43:16,800
Speaker 1: was also a guy who had his socialist tendencies and

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01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 1: was really rewriting history, or not rewriting history, but redirecting

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01:43:20,760 --> 01:43:23,960
Speaker 1: people's perceptions of history. And then there's also the Scarlet

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Speaker 1: Letter by Nathaniel Hawthorne about the Puritan puritanical Massachusetts Bay

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Speaker 1: colony and that tells that tells the story of Hester

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Speaker 1: prynne Um. But people often get these works confused. The

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Speaker 1: Scarlet Letters just about shaming and uh, the a true patriarchy,

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Speaker 1: I mean that that really is. Now you can start

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01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:48,320
Speaker 1: to talk if you're talking about the Scarlet Letter, then

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Speaker 1: discussions of this most recent HBO I'm sorry not HBO, Hulu,

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01:43:54,240 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 1: the Handmaid's Tale. That then you can start to make

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01:43:56,520 --> 01:44:01,800
Speaker 1: some some comparisons that perhaps make some sense. But you

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01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:06,040
Speaker 1: had Hawthorne with the Scarlet Letter. You had The Crucible

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01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 1: by Arthur Miller, which I'm sure many of you have read,

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01:44:09,479 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 1: and to this day, the whole notion of the witch

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01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:15,800
Speaker 1: trials at Salem are one of the moments in our

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Speaker 1: history that are an example of people who are overtaken

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Speaker 1: by the hysteria of a period in time, lose a

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01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,519
Speaker 1: sense of what is right and wrong, lose a sense

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01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:30,320
Speaker 1: of justice, lose a sense of their common humanity with

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01:44:30,360 --> 01:44:35,080
Speaker 1: the accused, um decide to settle scores, whether personal or political,

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01:44:35,720 --> 01:44:42,519
Speaker 1: and justice is lost in that moment of paranoid mob mentality.

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01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:44,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think a witch hunt is in fact

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01:44:44,720 --> 01:44:48,160
Speaker 1: a very apt way for Donald Trump to describe the

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01:44:48,280 --> 01:44:52,599
Speaker 1: Russia collusion investigation. And I hope you've enjoyed our little

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01:44:52,640 --> 01:44:56,320
Speaker 1: digression here into a history of which hunts and which

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01:44:56,360 --> 01:44:59,600
Speaker 1: trials and where which is come from. Just wait for

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01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,719
Speaker 1: the holloway in show. We're gonna talk about the real Dracula.

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01:45:02,200 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 1: That's something look forward to this fall. Team. I love

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01:45:05,200 --> 01:45:08,040
Speaker 1: all that stuff. I find it fascinating. We're gonna hit

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01:45:08,040 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 1: a quick break and finish up the show strong back

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01:45:11,120 --> 01:45:20,720
Speaker 1: in just a few Stay with ye. Well, this is

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01:45:20,760 --> 01:45:24,200
Speaker 1: something team that will send me off into the weekend

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01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:29,839
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Oh my gosh. Uh. Courtesy of heat Street,

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01:45:30,240 --> 01:45:34,240
Speaker 1: there's a petition with a hundred and seventy five thousand

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01:45:34,720 --> 01:45:39,599
Speaker 1: uh signatories already that is threatening a quote backlash if

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01:45:39,880 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 1: MSNBC hires more white conservatives. This is written by Joe Simonson,

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01:45:47,840 --> 01:45:52,400
Speaker 1: who is uh the first and only ever Buck Sexton intern.

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01:45:52,520 --> 01:45:54,639
Speaker 1: He was an intern for me. We actually had him

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01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:56,840
Speaker 1: on the show once. He was an intern for me

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01:45:57,120 --> 01:45:59,439
Speaker 1: at The Blaze when he was in college, and I'm

1750
01:45:59,439 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: glad to see he's now pursuing a journalism career. So

1751
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:06,080
Speaker 1: clearly it was a pretty awesome internship because the guy

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01:46:06,200 --> 01:46:09,160
Speaker 1: ended up working in that field. Despite my telling him,

1753
01:46:09,160 --> 01:46:12,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure many times, if you want to live a

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01:46:12,680 --> 01:46:17,400
Speaker 1: happy and peaceful life with economic prosperity and the prospects

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01:46:17,439 --> 01:46:21,519
Speaker 1: of a stable family, don't go into media because it's

1756
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,320
Speaker 1: like playing the lottery, and nobody wants to marry a

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01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:27,320
Speaker 1: guy who's just playing lottery tickets all the time. Yet

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01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:31,519
Speaker 1: here I am, baby, scratch off. This is what I'm doing,

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01:46:32,040 --> 01:46:33,840
Speaker 1: and I thank all of you for listening to me

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01:46:33,960 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: so that I am not entirely reliant on a scratch

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01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:41,280
Speaker 1: off lottery situation in order to keep the lights on.

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01:46:41,720 --> 01:46:45,280
Speaker 1: But Joe writes here the following progressives aren't happy with

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01:46:45,400 --> 01:46:49,400
Speaker 1: MSNBC's recent programming changes, and they're not afraid to speak out.

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01:46:49,760 --> 01:46:51,519
Speaker 1: In the midst of a number of new hires and

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01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:54,840
Speaker 1: an apparent shift to the center right, some of MSNBC's

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01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 1: most die hard liberal fans are circulating petitions demanding the

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Speaker 1: cable news network go back to its progressive roots. The

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Speaker 1: latest petition, hosted on Credo Action, urges network executives stop

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Speaker 1: the white conservative hiring spree at MSNBC. All right, now,

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01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:15,719
Speaker 1: this this tells you a lot about the current state

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01:47:16,000 --> 01:47:21,280
Speaker 1: of of MSNBC. When people are so comfortable UH calling

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01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:25,599
Speaker 1: out that they just do not want alternative voices. They

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01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:28,720
Speaker 1: don't want people like me, they don't want white conservative

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01:47:28,800 --> 01:47:33,519
Speaker 1: males on TV. And you just have to think from

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01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:40,200
Speaker 1: the perspective of being well informed and being an adept

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01:47:40,320 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: debater and understanding both the strengths and weaknesses of one's

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01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,960
Speaker 1: own position, wouldn't wouldn't you want to have the other

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01:47:47,040 --> 01:47:50,800
Speaker 1: voice represented in some capacity on TV? Now? This often

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01:47:50,920 --> 01:47:54,200
Speaker 1: leads to the phenomenon that exists at a lot of

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01:47:54,200 --> 01:47:59,400
Speaker 1: the networks of let's put on whomever our dominant audience is,

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01:47:59,479 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: and in all one case that's obviously democrats, left of center.

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Speaker 1: Whomever our dominant audience is. Let's put on somebody that

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01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:10,680
Speaker 1: represents the other side that is either a caricature or

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01:48:10,840 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 1: is really unappealing, and we'll just get beaten up on TV.

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01:48:16,640 --> 01:48:21,040
Speaker 1: More or less, people love this because what we've seen

1786
01:48:21,640 --> 01:48:25,160
Speaker 1: is that most of those who are watching TV news

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01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:31,439
Speaker 1: UM are looking for the validation of their own beliefs.

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01:48:31,479 --> 01:48:35,240
Speaker 1: They're looking to see that whomever's on TV UH not

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01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:40,839
Speaker 1: only agrees with them, but is able to annihilate, slay, destroy,

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01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:47,440
Speaker 1: bring down to knees any person that would dare dispute

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01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:51,440
Speaker 1: their side of things right. And this means that the

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01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:55,160
Speaker 1: cable news combat that you often see is rigged. It's

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01:48:55,160 --> 01:48:57,200
Speaker 1: like a boxing match where a guy knows he's supposed

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01:48:57,200 --> 01:48:59,320
Speaker 1: to go down to the second or third round. And

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01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:01,080
Speaker 1: I've told you what this is like in the past.

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Speaker 1: If you're at a if you're at a non Fox network,

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01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:07,920
Speaker 1: it means that if you're too good, they'll put you

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01:49:08,120 --> 01:49:10,800
Speaker 1: on ice. They'll you won't get on TV for a

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01:49:10,800 --> 01:49:14,599
Speaker 1: while if you play the game, which means you either

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01:49:14,640 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: sit there and are kind of quiet while you're scolded

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01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:20,479
Speaker 1: on TV, or more recently, over the last twelve months,

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01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:22,560
Speaker 1: you think that your role in life is just to

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01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:26,400
Speaker 1: completely bash Trump. Everything that Trump does is terrible. Trump

1804
01:49:26,600 --> 01:49:28,800
Speaker 1: is destroying your publican party, all of that kind of

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01:49:28,840 --> 01:49:31,479
Speaker 1: talk that will get you on TV. There are some

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01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:39,320
Speaker 1: places where that's very that's very career enhancing for a conservative.

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01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:43,000
Speaker 1: If you're decent at defending Trump, and you're telegenic and

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01:49:43,080 --> 01:49:46,320
Speaker 1: have some ability on your feet, then you're dangerous because

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01:49:46,320 --> 01:49:48,720
Speaker 1: it upsets the audience. The audience doesn't want to see

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01:49:48,760 --> 01:49:52,840
Speaker 1: anyone who has the capability of making a case that

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01:49:52,920 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: Donald Trump is well just not the antichrist, right. I mean,

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01:49:58,640 --> 01:50:01,240
Speaker 1: if you're a Democrat these days, is you have to

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01:50:01,280 --> 01:50:05,400
Speaker 1: take the position that Trump is destroying the country, or

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01:50:05,439 --> 01:50:07,960
Speaker 1: else you're some kind of traitor to the cause. It's

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01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:12,559
Speaker 1: not like there's any halfway here. Um, but there back

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01:50:12,560 --> 01:50:14,960
Speaker 1: to this heat Street piece and my old friend and

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01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:18,120
Speaker 1: uh and former intern now now journalists, very proud of him,

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01:50:18,200 --> 01:50:21,000
Speaker 1: Joe Simonson. Uh, this is what he writes. Back in May,

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01:50:21,000 --> 01:50:24,600
Speaker 1: a protest was scheduled UH to march on NBC headquarters

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01:50:24,640 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 1: after reports that progressive host Lawrence o'donnald's contract might not

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01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:33,519
Speaker 1: get extended. A petition on change dot org's to save

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01:50:33,560 --> 01:50:38,600
Speaker 1: O'Donnell's job receive sixteen thousand signatures. Rumors also circulated that

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01:50:38,720 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 1: MSNBC president Phil Griffin would be getting the boot in June.

1824
01:50:43,640 --> 01:50:47,600
Speaker 1: So you have some shake up over there at MSNBC.

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01:50:48,200 --> 01:50:51,519
Speaker 1: And as that's happening, you're seeing that this this has

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01:50:51,560 --> 01:50:57,920
Speaker 1: become infested with the most uh, hardline progressive ism. And

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01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:00,400
Speaker 1: really what it is is that the people that you know,

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01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:04,760
Speaker 1: CNN is for more mainstream Democrats who are left and

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01:51:04,760 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: who are crazy about all the Russia collusion stuff. But

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01:51:07,439 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: if you're somebody who uses terms like man splaining and

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01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:14,839
Speaker 1: patriarchy on. Ironically, if you think that those are useful

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01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 1: words for your everyday discourse, if you think that these

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01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 1: this is terminology that an educated person should be, uh,

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01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:26,479
Speaker 1: should be utilizing to discuss what's going on around them,

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01:51:26,880 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 1: then you're probably watching MSNBC. What I think is fascinating

1836
01:51:30,439 --> 01:51:34,680
Speaker 1: is to see some of the other progressive outlets that

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01:51:34,720 --> 01:51:39,240
Speaker 1: are trying to go even left of MSNBC and what's there.

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01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:43,400
Speaker 1: You know, what is left of the people that you

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01:51:43,479 --> 01:51:47,000
Speaker 1: see on that show every night who you know exactly

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01:51:47,000 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 1: what they're going or that network every night you know

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01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:51,639
Speaker 1: exactly what they're gonna say before they say it. Uh.

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01:51:51,640 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 1: There's no moments of introspection, there's no hey, maybe our

1843
01:51:57,040 --> 01:52:01,400
Speaker 1: side should think more about this. Uh. And the entire

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01:52:01,479 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 1: progressive agenda is the marching orders for the whole network.

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01:52:06,320 --> 01:52:09,280
Speaker 1: I mean, they were the the pro Obama network. What

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01:52:09,320 --> 01:52:13,240
Speaker 1: was interesting was that CNN fancies itself now is doing journalism,

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01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:17,040
Speaker 1: but it was more effective under the Obama administration as

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01:52:17,240 --> 01:52:23,840
Speaker 1: a seemingly centrist UH news organization that was pro Obama,

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01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,360
Speaker 1: but at least it had some sense of, well, we're

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01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:30,920
Speaker 1: doing journalism. It's pro Obama, but we're doing journalism, whereas

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01:52:30,960 --> 01:52:34,360
Speaker 1: now CNN and MSNBC are both having to fight it

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01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:40,640
Speaker 1: out for the title of the resistance, which we have

1853
01:52:40,760 --> 01:52:42,840
Speaker 1: to laugh at these this is now what they're saying

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01:52:42,920 --> 01:52:45,400
Speaker 1: about themselves and all these different places, all these people

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01:52:45,400 --> 01:52:48,680
Speaker 1: that are opposing Trump the resistance, you know, as if

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01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:52,599
Speaker 1: the people watching Rachel mattaw you know, from their dorm room,

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01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:58,479
Speaker 1: are are engaged in some kind of daring struggle against

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01:52:58,479 --> 01:53:02,160
Speaker 1: the forces of you know, trumpy and fascism or something,

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01:53:02,200 --> 01:53:03,920
Speaker 1: and they might be pulled out of their beds by

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01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:05,840
Speaker 1: the trumpy and secret police in the middle of the night.

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01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:09,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just crazy anyway. I look, I mean

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Speaker 1: this weekend, I'm gonna force myself. I'm going to a wedding,

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01:53:11,840 --> 01:53:14,280
Speaker 1: so hey, I'm gonna bring it. I'm gonna bring spare

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01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:17,360
Speaker 1: socks with me. I'm gonna wear comfortable shoes, the most

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01:53:17,360 --> 01:53:19,640
Speaker 1: comfortable shoes I can get away with. I practice what

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01:53:19,720 --> 01:53:21,880
Speaker 1: I preach my friends. I'm probably gonna bring a kind

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01:53:21,920 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 1: bar uh. When I dance, I'm gonna let it rip

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01:53:25,080 --> 01:53:28,519
Speaker 1: and show everybody that Buck's got those funky moves. I'm

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01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 1: gonna hit the or d'erv's hard. I'm gonna hit if

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01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,960
Speaker 1: they're shrimp there. If there's cocktail shrimp, that cocktail shrimp's

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01:53:34,200 --> 01:53:37,280
Speaker 1: gonna not last very long because the buck's coming for it.

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01:53:38,160 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 1: But I'm also going to try to force myself. This

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01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:43,120
Speaker 1: is something that I've been um working on more to

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01:53:43,320 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 1: just at least take one day where I'm not connected

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01:53:45,720 --> 01:53:48,320
Speaker 1: to the matrix. Right, So, Saturday is when I'm I

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01:53:48,360 --> 01:53:50,320
Speaker 1: wish it were Sunday. I know it's the Lord's Lord's

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01:53:50,360 --> 01:53:52,439
Speaker 1: day of rest, but Saturday is when I try to

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01:53:52,520 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: just disconnect. And I hope that you allow yourself to

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01:53:55,080 --> 01:53:58,200
Speaker 1: to just don't read anything anything that says Trump in it,

1880
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:00,839
Speaker 1: or anything that says Democrat or Republican in or Russia,

1881
01:54:01,760 --> 01:54:04,519
Speaker 1: unless you're going to read like a biography of Peter

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01:54:04,520 --> 01:54:08,160
Speaker 1: They're great by Massey, which I highly recommend. Just just

1883
01:54:08,439 --> 01:54:11,040
Speaker 1: take a breather from it. All I do, I hope

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01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:13,599
Speaker 1: you do too, And even more importantly, I just hope

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Speaker 1: you have a fantastic weekend. Always an honor team. Every

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01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,120
Speaker 1: week that I'm able to come to this microphone and

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01:54:19,320 --> 01:54:21,200
Speaker 1: hang out with all of you is is a blessing,

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01:54:21,360 --> 01:54:24,519
Speaker 1: and I am deeply grateful for it, so thank you

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01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: for giving me your time. Some of you've been emailing

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01:54:26,160 --> 01:54:27,920
Speaker 1: me to tell me that you've been sharing the podcast.

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01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,839
Speaker 1: Nothing makes me happier and it really is a testament

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01:54:31,880 --> 01:54:36,760
Speaker 1: to what a wonderful and um giving group Team Buck

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Speaker 1: really is. Please continue to do that, Tell a friend

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Speaker 1: about the show, download the podcast on iTunes, and until Monday,

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Speaker 1: My friends, you know, matter what comes your way, as always,

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