1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: And we have arrived episode twenty four, and it's officially 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 1: the league's Best of NBA week, and we've got the 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: absolute perfect guest to celebrate some of the great moments 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: as we were joined by NBA historian and author of 5 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 1: From Hang Time to Prime Time Pete Croato. I'm Miles 6 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: Gray and I'm Jack O'Brien, and this iss ja excellent opener. 7 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he's like, did you get the twenty four reference? 8 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:40,560 Speaker 1: And you Jack Bower, Jack o'bower, what a showy speaking 9 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: of what a show, Pete, Welcome to our show, best 10 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: most informed NBA podcast. A pleasure to be here. I 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: didn't know I was expected to know twenty four. I 12 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: would have caught up on the seasons like three through right. Yeah, 13 00:00:57,480 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: that's when it gets really good. You can tell. That's 14 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: when I really starts showing that they're making it up 15 00:01:01,720 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: as they go along. Um, so I think exactly, yeah, 16 00:01:09,280 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: real soap opera, writer's room vibes and some of the 17 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: later seasons. Um, but that's not what I mean we 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: could do. I mean, look, if we want what do 19 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: you want to change us too? I mean episode twenty 20 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: four all about the show twenty four they never saw 21 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: it coming. I can help you out for the first 22 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 1: two seasons, and then I just you got out at 23 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 1: the right time, did I? I mean I it just 24 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: got I mean, from what I understanding, got better and 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 1: better and better. But I don't know. Apparently I'm I'm 26 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: I'm not hit to the scene. So yeah, no real 27 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: twenty four heads feel like it was the season one 28 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: and two where the peak. Yeah, you know it also 29 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 1: did it gave me an early tip tip off when 30 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: so the writers of that went on to right and 31 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 1: like show run um Home, what was the one Homeland? Yeah? Yeah, 32 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: And I saw the second they brought someone back from 33 00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: the dead. I was like, oh, this is they don't 34 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 1: know what they're doing. This is just going like they're 35 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 1: doing the same process where they write as they go along. 36 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: So anyways, you gotta taste them. If we're sponsoring our podcast. 37 00:02:17,080 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: Um so your book man from hang Time, so good, 38 00:02:20,639 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: so much. Thank you so much for sending a copy 39 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: with a handwritten note class act. Yes, well you know, 40 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: you know it's funny. The book has been out for 41 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: two years and my my handwriting is has gotten like 42 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: five percent better, So really that's better. Yeah, damn man, 43 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 1: I know I'm not. I'm no longer writing them in 44 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: my car while I drive, so it's it's marked improvement. 45 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: So I'm happy to that was I think. Uh, I 46 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: think Jabari will have set that up if I'm not mistaken. 47 00:02:50,280 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: So yeah, you think one of the greats. But yeah, 48 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: Like you know, the book is called you know, the 49 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: Business Entertainment and the Birth of the Modern day m 50 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: b A, and I think and Jack and I were 51 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: talking about this, I'm like, there's an interesting moment that 52 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: I figured that is very instructive to the NBA as 53 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 1: we know it today. Admittedly I was saying earlier off Mike, 54 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: I was like, my consciousness begins in the stern era 55 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 1: of the NBA. So I knew as I was a kid, 56 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: Showtime Lakers was like the biggest thing. I'm like five 57 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: years old and going and going on. I had no 58 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,280 Speaker 1: idea what the road was to even the modern n 59 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: b A. And you talk about this moment in eight 60 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:32,079 Speaker 1: where CBS was basically planning to get rid of the NBA, 61 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:34,160 Speaker 1: and I'm just curious if you can just kind of 62 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: laid the sort of foundation, because I think it's a 63 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: really interesting moment and one that we don't realize how 64 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: you know, the sport could have gone from like an 65 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: afterthought to one of the most popular things. I came 66 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 1: to wearing Gulf spikes everywhere instead of Jordan's and if 67 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 1: you still wear that weird hat with like the little 68 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: yeah yeah yeah, I mean holes would have been like 69 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 1: the you know, like our foot lockers and every store. 70 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: Um yeah, no, I mean that. I'm the same way 71 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:05,080 Speaker 1: like I started getting the NBA, like in like when 72 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 1: Jordan's was like Jess getting into his his peak as 73 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 1: a as a champion, and and the myth was really 74 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 1: starting to perfect. So I was like you, Miles, like 75 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: I had no as a kid, like you're being thirteen 76 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: fourteen is like, oh this is how it's always been. 77 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: Um and yeah, the NBA was was nobody's first choice, 78 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: and was CBS like they yeah, CBS was was legitimately 79 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:30,839 Speaker 1: on the brink of getting rid of the NBA because 80 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: there was a new president, Frank Smith, who took over 81 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: and he didn't want anything to do with the NBA. 82 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: He felt it was a ratings killer. It felt he 83 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: felt there was no traction there, so he had he 84 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: had He was talking with his lieutenant Neil Pilson, who 85 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,039 Speaker 1: later became the president's CBS Sports, saying that you know, 86 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 1: I you know, we we gotta you know, I know 87 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: there's a handging agreement with with Larry Brian, but like 88 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: we we gotta get rid of this. It's it's it's 89 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: it's holding us down. It's it's not doing anything. Because again, 90 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: CEN Sports at that time had just about everything. You know, 91 00:05:01,040 --> 00:05:05,080 Speaker 1: it's like the late eighties, it had basically every major sport. 92 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:09,800 Speaker 1: So Smith gives a bad news and you know, O'Brien 93 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:11,960 Speaker 1: is just crest fall and it doesn't understand what's happening. 94 00:05:12,000 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: It's it's he's a gas because he was told that 95 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: this was the deal was in place. So Stern goes 96 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 1: to Neil Pillson, Neil, if you talk outside for a minute. 97 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,480 Speaker 1: So Stern and Pilson go outside, and then David Stern 98 00:05:23,600 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: just proceeds to just simultaneously chastise and beg Neil Pilson 99 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:33,840 Speaker 1: to put the NBA back on schedule, because Stern knew 100 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: that without a Big three network deal, without that distribution 101 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 1: of games, the NBA was sunk. So Stern basically just 102 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:43,679 Speaker 1: got him Pilson stage. It was begging him like please, 103 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:47,080 Speaker 1: you gotta we have a deal. You're gonna hurt me, 104 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: You're gonna hurt Larry. Just don't do this. So eventually 105 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: Pilson and Stern go back into the office, and miraculously, 106 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:59,840 Speaker 1: Pilson was able to convince Frank Smith to, yeah, just 107 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: say that. You know, it does sound like a Frank 108 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: Frank Smith. Now you're making that up. What's the guys, 109 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,359 Speaker 1: really it does? It does sound And I could be 110 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: wrong because it's been two years of the book came up, 111 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 1: but I think yeah. But so Philson says, look, you know, 112 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:18,320 Speaker 1: the NBA is we already have the deal, is gonna 113 00:06:18,320 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 1: cause us money to lose the n b A let's 114 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: just ride it out and and we'll go for it. 115 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:25,839 Speaker 1: And that's how and that's that's how the NBA was 116 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 1: able to stay on by like but like a breath. 117 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 1: And that just shows you how close the NBA was 118 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 1: just being an afterthought in American sports life, which seems 119 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: bizarre considering we're entering in you know, we're entering a 120 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 1: season where it's gonna be NonStop coverage for the next 121 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: like nine months. The detail that got to me was 122 00:06:43,160 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: that everybody was pushing for years and finally got them 123 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: to allow them to do pregame shows that would give 124 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: people context, and prior to that, it was just like 125 00:06:57,920 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: you just like turn on your TV and like the 126 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: game starts and there's people like just spouting off names, 127 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, just La and yeah, which reminded me of 128 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: so you know when you're watching ESPN and suddenly like 129 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 1: a X Games event starts and they're just spouting on 130 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: and like aren't really explaining anything, and you're like, oh, 131 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: that was a half pipe zeros n Niner. It's a 132 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: Niner in there. Yeah, I love that though, M Yeah, yeah, 133 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: you know that's the thing. You know, a lot of 134 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: the things we take for granted, those with TV and 135 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: presentation were birthed in the seventies and eighties. The pregames, 136 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: the halftime show, you know, the fact that you have 137 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: announcers that are actually giving depth to the game and 138 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: providing you know, insights and not just you know, there's 139 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 1: a made basket by Scott Wedman from fifteen feet. So 140 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 1: all these things that we just take for granted right now, 141 00:07:56,240 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 1: like not only did they not exist, did exist for 142 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: a number of years, and they're only relatively recent inventions 143 00:08:02,840 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: and that's the one thing with this book that I 144 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: think why it has a pretty good shelf life. I 145 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: hope not grumb would because you know, I have expenses 146 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: like everybody else. But but to me, I think the 147 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: reason for this book and I think people maybe find 148 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: some some use for it or or joy it, it's 149 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 1: because it's a reminder of how things were. And it's 150 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 1: also a reminder that you know, the game, that there's 151 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,640 Speaker 1: that there are precedents, and that they're easy to forget 152 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: where we came from, especially with sports because everything move 153 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: so quickly now, and it's and I think we we 154 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: really get we really get an opportunity to say, well, 155 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:40,560 Speaker 1: how did this happen or what happened before or anything 156 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,679 Speaker 1: like that. So it's it's so yeah, I think this 157 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: book is um you know, That's why I've been talking 158 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,120 Speaker 1: about this book for about two years now. So one 159 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: thing that blew my mind was the money for the 160 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: broadcasting rights. When you compare the dollars, can you just 161 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,480 Speaker 1: tell me those like eight eight million for the NBA 162 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:01,439 Speaker 1: versus just kind of so this is it was crazy, right, 163 00:09:01,440 --> 00:09:03,959 Speaker 1: So this is in what two and they're like, okay, 164 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: this this is what it's gonna cost for you to 165 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 1: broadcast the NBA. Yeah, and it was also and it 166 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: also was considered a lousy deal. And I think I 167 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: remember correctly from my research, it was either a minimal 168 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: increase from the year before or it was the same 169 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: contract that was repeated. That's how little Creden's the NBA had. 170 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the NFL at that time, amongst all of 171 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: its network parts with had like a billion dollar deal 172 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 1: and now you know, a eighty eight million is nothing. 173 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: So again, these are all relatively recent adjustments. I mean, 174 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: even the NBA's for a into big time prime time 175 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: television that only really started like nine So yeah, it's 176 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: just when you think about where the NBA started what 177 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 1: it is now, I mean, it's really incredible. By all accounts, 178 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 1: the NBA really shouldn't be where it is today. But 179 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:52,719 Speaker 1: it's just, you know, it's it's David Stern and a 180 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:55,880 Speaker 1: number of really hard working employees and folks in television 181 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: who made it made it happen. What are some of 182 00:09:57,880 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: the wildest stories that you uncovered kind of researching and 183 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: interviewing for the book. Oh man, I mean, I'm trying 184 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:07,520 Speaker 1: to the one that didn't make the book and there 185 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: were a couple of off the record comments and a 186 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: couple of anything illegal or anything I tried. I mean, 187 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: that's that's the that's the goal you try and find. 188 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,040 Speaker 1: You know, you're trying and find every look under every 189 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 1: nook and credits you whish you can find. I mean, 190 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,320 Speaker 1: the wildest story. To me, boy, I'm trying to think 191 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: there's a wild store. I mean, Miles brought it up 192 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: with with the with the Neil Pilson David Stern, and 193 00:10:30,679 --> 00:10:32,839 Speaker 1: I got that's something I never heard of. And that's 194 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: what It just blows my mind that like a major 195 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:39,599 Speaker 1: executive is begging for for television cars, begging to be 196 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,679 Speaker 1: to be put on the air. That was a pretty 197 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 1: good I'm trying to think. I Mean, the one story 198 00:10:43,360 --> 00:10:46,560 Speaker 1: that that I that comes to mind is with David 199 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: Stern is Arlene Weltman, who was in the NBA offices 200 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: for every years, remembers that when David STONI go on vacation, 201 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,320 Speaker 1: he would he would go on vacation hed come back 202 00:10:56,760 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: and he would have legal pads just crammed with notes 203 00:11:00,280 --> 00:11:03,680 Speaker 1: with ideas of the league. Like he never he never stopped. 204 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: It's just yeah, they're just all these little just nuggets 205 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 1: that came out in the reporting in terms of wild 206 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny. I'm gonna I'll probably at one 207 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: point will review the notes and I'll find like five 208 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: things I wish I had put in. But like what's 209 00:11:16,160 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: in the book, I think it's pretty reflective with what 210 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: I was able to find. But the thing that sticks 211 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: out the most of the NBA is that it really 212 00:11:22,640 --> 00:11:24,680 Speaker 1: was like a mom and pop store for so many years, 213 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: and it was just like okay, like you want a job, great, 214 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: you have a job. Like it was. It was that easy, 215 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: what do you do? Copy perfect? But with the NBA Internet, 216 00:11:36,679 --> 00:11:38,720 Speaker 1: that's what it was like. It was it was like oh, 217 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: like you were you were an Internet CNN, come on 218 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,400 Speaker 1: in like hey like you you like I remember there 219 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: was one, I mean more than a people I talked to. 220 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: You got the job through like a temp agency. Like 221 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: that's crazy to me, Like, oh, I you know it's 222 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 1: like the temp agency job. Now are like, oh yeah, 223 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: you get to you get to work on you know, 224 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: you get to work on like on an assembly line, 225 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: or work in an office, get an office part but 226 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: like yeah, exactly, but here like oh yeah, you want 227 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: to be administrative assistant for the NBA. Like, that's that's 228 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: how one of of my sources I think got her 229 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: job was, Like can they just say, great, you have 230 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: secretarial experience, awesome work for the NBA. Crazy. All right, Well, 231 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: let's take a quick break to pick your brain even 232 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: more because I have a few more questions. I know, 233 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 1: Jack and I have a few more questions. Uh, and 234 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: we'll be right back after this with Pete Rowattle and 235 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: we're back, um, just even hearing like all these stories, 236 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 1: right Pete, it's like you realize too, you start off 237 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: so small. But the one thing that is like the 238 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: sort of uniting principle for all these people who are 239 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: working on the league very early on is just passion 240 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: and dedication. Like it seems like people who are in 241 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: a world and let people are like the NBA, I 242 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: don't know, and these people like no, no, no, this 243 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: is great. You gotta watch it. Just give it a 244 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,839 Speaker 1: little more context. People are gonna love it. And what 245 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: they believed is clearly born out and what we're witnessing 246 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: today absolutely. Do you think like that was something that 247 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 1: was unique and because of it, like it's starting at 248 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 1: a place that was felt a little tenuous or unpredictable 249 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,320 Speaker 1: helped kind of build into this just sort of like 250 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: pillar of culture that we have. Now, that's a great question. 251 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: I absolutely think yes, I think I think the fact 252 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: that it's so many people that are passionate about the 253 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: n b A and also that we're that were passionate 254 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: about what about David Sturton's vision for what the NBA 255 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: could be where it could just be this entertainment with 256 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: interlocking properties all working hand in hand to produce merchandise, 257 00:13:37,520 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: television shows and a game stadium entertainment. Yeah, there absolutely 258 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: was that passionate and David sturn was the was the 259 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,960 Speaker 1: zealot of that. He was he was the preacher saying, hey, 260 00:13:47,000 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: this is what I want to do, this is what 261 00:13:48,600 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: we can do, going along with me for this ride. 262 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: And it wasn't just with employees, it was also it's 263 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: also with potential advertisers where it's like, hey, you know 264 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: I can't, we can't do this, not you guys. And 265 00:13:57,320 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: if if you come with us, like we will give 266 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,560 Speaker 1: you our bat, will work with you to the point 267 00:14:01,640 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: you'll never want to leave. But it's funny, like the 268 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 1: passion thing too, I've seen that a couple of times 269 00:14:06,160 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: now with like with more with sports that are trying 270 00:14:08,400 --> 00:14:10,840 Speaker 1: to I guess enter the mainstream. Like the sports is 271 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 1: big on that. I think I have a lot of 272 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: people that is passionate about that across. I think it's 273 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 1: starting to kind of get you know, get those wheels 274 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: turning of the w n B A. I think is 275 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: it is another example of that. But it's funny with 276 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: the NBA, like that was the one thing talking to people. 277 00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:28,400 Speaker 1: People loved him because he was so passionate and he 278 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: led by example. I mean, he was the guy that 279 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: was just was first and last to leave and he lived, 280 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 1: breathed and h n b A. And I think when 281 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: you have someone who's that inspired and it's so willing 282 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 1: to be a collaborator and wants to foster a family atmosphere, 283 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: you're gonna you're gonna develop a very very loyal army. 284 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: And to this day there are people that I love 285 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: the man, you know, unabashedly. So you cover mainly like 286 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: the eighties and nineties, like the Rise from the point 287 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 1: that we were just talking about, where you know, the 288 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: announcers were like a relatively some all our fellow with 289 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: the number ten on his tank top brings us up 290 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: doing a sort of bouncy thing with the ball, leeping 291 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: like a frog. Holy cal leaps in the errand does 292 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 1: a neat little twirly thing with the ball and it 293 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: hot damn goes in the goes in the hoop. He 294 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: didn't even look at the man. He passed the ball too. Um. 295 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: But so you you kind of take us up through 296 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 1: the early nineties, But are there players from that era 297 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:30,800 Speaker 1: who you think would have benefited the most from social 298 00:15:30,840 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: media where highlights are clipped and posted within a couple 299 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: of minutes, and then also like where your personality can 300 00:15:38,400 --> 00:15:41,920 Speaker 1: kind of shine through. Oh yeah to me, Julius Serving. 301 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: I think I think Julius Serving would have been a 302 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: complete marvel if you had social media and all the 303 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,360 Speaker 1: the distribution that we have today with the NBA and 304 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,440 Speaker 1: all professional sports. Because again, it's funny as time goes on. 305 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: And I know if you guys have noticed this, but 306 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: like when I was growing up, you heard, you know, 307 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: Julie Irving was sort of talking about the way that 308 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: I think kids talking about Michael Jordan now. But but 309 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: when when I was a kid, was like, oh, you 310 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 1: should have seen Elgin Baylor play you should have seen 311 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 1: Oscar Robertson play, and those those guys always seemed like 312 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: mythical figures that were kind of handed down from you know, 313 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,680 Speaker 1: from from you know, generation to generation, like an oral 314 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: traditional Yeah, and Julius Irving is sort is for sort 315 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 1: of ending the spear now, And it's not so much 316 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,040 Speaker 1: because I think it's a couple of reasons. I think, 317 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 1: a the highlights aren't as readily. There aren't as many 318 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 1: highlights as Jordan had. I mean, Julie didn't have like 319 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: a thousand videotapes I know, like six dr J plays, 320 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: but I had those memorized perfectly, the scoop of the 321 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: basket like reverse shot like there, and there are a 322 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: handful that are you know, and yeah, I can recall 323 00:16:48,800 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: them with photographic precision, but I don't know that much 324 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: Like I've never watched a full game that he played 325 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: in like exactly. I'm like, I knew he wore converse 326 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 1: and dunked any a great mustache, like one of the 327 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,320 Speaker 1: all time best mustaches. Um. But but yeah, I think 328 00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: with with Julius, you know now he's entering that phase 329 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:11,480 Speaker 1: where if you talk to ah, I don't know anybody, 330 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 1: maybe under the age of thirty and you mentioned Julius Irving, 331 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: you might be talking about biblical character. It's like, oh 332 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 1: that it's soh But so I think if you had 333 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: the publicIt machine, and you had the coverage, and you 334 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,720 Speaker 1: had social media, I think I think Julius Irving would 335 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:32,400 Speaker 1: be would be even more of a of an icon 336 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: of figure than he is now. But I think the 337 00:17:34,400 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: sad part is is that in especially the A B, 338 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: A like, there are so many players now that we 339 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 1: don't really we don't really have any highlights of them 340 00:17:42,640 --> 00:17:45,160 Speaker 1: are very few. Like David Thompson is a good example. 341 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 1: You know, he was a guy that was Michael Jordan's hero. 342 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: And how many David Thompson highights do you see? You know, 343 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:52,600 Speaker 1: how how many George Gervin highlights do you see? I 344 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: mean there there aren't there aren't that many. But yeah, 345 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,119 Speaker 1: I mean, Julius to me is the guy that if 346 00:17:57,160 --> 00:18:01,880 Speaker 1: he had today's publicity buttressing, he would be. He'd be amazing, 347 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: he would he would be everyone would know who he is. 348 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:07,919 Speaker 1: Already great at branding with the name Dr Jay, you know, 349 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if he came up with that, 350 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: but he certainly used it well, although I did look 351 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: it up and he's not a real doctor, so that 352 00:18:15,280 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: might have heard him because with internet fact checking. Yeah, 353 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: he's also like three credits of his doctorate. But we'll 354 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: h you know, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll let it fly on. 355 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 1: We get it. He had his attention split, and it 356 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: happens for the best of us, for sure. I think 357 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: it's funny that even like when you bring up George Gervin, 358 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,239 Speaker 1: because when you say that, like that reminds me of 359 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,159 Speaker 1: the first basketball memories I had where my dad seemed 360 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: like some time traveler. I remember one of the All 361 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:40,720 Speaker 1: Star games, like the three point contest, George Gervin comes 362 00:18:40,720 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: out and like, George the iceman Gervin, and I'm like, 363 00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: who's this dude? Looks like grandpa, my dad, that's George. 364 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,040 Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, Like, I don't see is he 365 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: in a Nike commercial? Because I don't know this man. 366 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: And but to the combination of hearing my dad be like, wow, 367 00:18:58,040 --> 00:19:00,240 Speaker 1: this is George Gurban and then obviously no thing that 368 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:02,240 Speaker 1: there was some deference paid at a three point contest, 369 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: and like, wow, the gaps that I have in my 370 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:07,119 Speaker 1: knowledge just because of where I am on the timeline, 371 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 1: are like, yeah, they do end up kind of you know, 372 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 1: these people sort of vanish. And it's wild to think 373 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,719 Speaker 1: that now because of the amount of like footage and 374 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:18,959 Speaker 1: content that there is about people that like, we may 375 00:19:19,000 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 1: be getting out of an era where you know, people 376 00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: are gonna be like Devin George. Who is Devin George. 377 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: I'm like he was a lakerly don't talk about that 378 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: much because he didn't have all the highlights, but he was. 379 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,560 Speaker 1: He was an integral part exactly. It moves so quickly 380 00:19:32,600 --> 00:19:34,040 Speaker 1: now and again it's going to the point. I mean, 381 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: the thing that shocks me is it was a few 382 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:39,040 Speaker 1: years ago. This people like five or six years ago. 383 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: The Ringer ran a story about where they they quizzed 384 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: players at the rookie game at the first year rookie 385 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: about Michael Jordan's and nearly all of them knew him 386 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 1: either from Space jam or from like the or from 387 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:54,520 Speaker 1: the gear. And it's just it'sn't but you're right, but 388 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: all these all these guys that are lesser known this 389 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:00,199 Speaker 1: fall through the cracks like and you know, and it's 390 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: and again I think it's just it's just a bypark 391 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: of how fast things move now and how much stuff 392 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,280 Speaker 1: we're getting. And that's great. Look, I'm an NBA fan 393 00:20:07,320 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 1: and I will I'm not I'm never gonna turn out 394 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: more basketball. But the problem is that the faster you go, 395 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: the quirk, you leave the past behind. And it's just 396 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,199 Speaker 1: it's unfortunately, it's it's just it's a byproduct of of 397 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: just how things are now, which is which is which 398 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: is a bit sad. Yeah, do you? I mean we 399 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,920 Speaker 1: we've talked before about the idea that the league is progressive, 400 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: like each successive generation of players is building their game 401 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,080 Speaker 1: on top of like what they've seen previous generations do. 402 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: Like what do you think about the direction the league 403 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,600 Speaker 1: is headed? Like did you see the clips of Victor 404 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: wimbang Yama. I'm too old and I have two little 405 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: time left to moan about how the game used to 406 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: be played, or like, oh, the purity of the game 407 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: is being ruined. I don't believe in that, because again, 408 00:20:57,800 --> 00:20:59,919 Speaker 1: if you go back in history, if you read any books, 409 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,200 Speaker 1: you know, dunking was once considered outrageous and was an 410 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,720 Speaker 1: outlaw act. You know, you know, behind the back past 411 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: was considered sinful. So the game evolves and I think, 412 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: to me, what I what I what I like to 413 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,080 Speaker 1: do When I watch a game, I watch it for fun. 414 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: I am just I'm escaping into the drama and watching 415 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 1: the abilities of men and women do things with a 416 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: basketball that I can't imagine doing myself. I think it's 417 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,320 Speaker 1: going to break down and just the act itself and 418 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 1: just be amazed by that. Like I don't understand people 419 00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: who are always who just always complain about the way 420 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: things used to be or or or or get tied 421 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: up in the game being played now and because a 422 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: their their flaws and access to each era of basketball. 423 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 1: Every era basketball has the good things, that is bad things, 424 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: but it's also you're also diminishing just what you're seeing. 425 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,960 Speaker 1: Like a guy Joel and Beech should not be playing 426 00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 1: basketball the way he does. Jana shouldn't play basketball the 427 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: way he does. These guys are moving like guards and 428 00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,800 Speaker 1: they're doing things outside pribling that are amazing, And I 429 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,040 Speaker 1: think it's just to me. I love the direction of 430 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: the game is going, and there's always something to appreciate. 431 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,199 Speaker 1: You know, are there parts of the game that I 432 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 1: don't like now? Yeah, of course, But if you told, 433 00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: if you talk to me fifteen years ago, twenty five 434 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: years ago, but you pulled it the same thing. Yeah, 435 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,280 Speaker 1: it's interesting that that that is something that jumps out 436 00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 1: to you in your history just reading the people people 437 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 1: getting because your history does cover the introduction of the 438 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: three point show. Yeah, like what first it's the dunk 439 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,480 Speaker 1: shot and now it's the day three point what's next? 440 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: It's witchcraft, I tell you. Yeah, that was one of 441 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: the charges in the sale which with dunk shots. Yeah, 442 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: Louis Dampierre was was was was part of the juror um. Yeah, 443 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 1: you know. And that's and that's the fun part about 444 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: about what makes the league so cool is that it 445 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: is progressive. It does change, you know, and and and 446 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:56,919 Speaker 1: that's also how you get you get young fans. But 447 00:22:57,000 --> 00:22:59,159 Speaker 1: the problem with the the there are two sides of 448 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: that coin. If I can still heat for the fifteen 449 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: million time, is that you recruit by changing and by 450 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: evolving the way the NBA does and basketball in general 451 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: does you garner new fans all the time, but you 452 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: also isolate the old school fans, you know, because again 453 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: there's there's constant evolution, and the folks that grew up 454 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: with basketball in the seventies or eighties or nineties, get 455 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: more miffed while you recruit to the you know, to 456 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:25,960 Speaker 1: the kids of today. So I don't know. To me, 457 00:23:26,160 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 1: if you acknowance the fact that evolution and change is 458 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: part of the NBA's ethos, you can watch a game 459 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: without losing your mind. Yeah I can. I can't speak 460 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 1: for everyone else listening. I mean I can do it. 461 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: I think you have to spend a tremendous amount of 462 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: energy to watch the game evolved and then be like 463 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: this is not for me, really really yeah, yeah, God, 464 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: if I have to look at another seven plus gangly 465 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 1: guy with a stroke sweeter than I don't know what 466 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: We're gonna lose it. I don't want to see stuff 467 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: like that again. Like when I was growing up in 468 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: the nineties, like you never I never when I was 469 00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: watching started watching basketl Nights, you never saw that. You 470 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: never saw I never saw Patrick doing Jack of three. 471 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: Maybe in desperation he would, but it was like a meme. 472 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 1: If a center made a three, you're like, remember that one. 473 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: It was like a top ten sports center play right, 474 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,760 Speaker 1: And and now it's just the fact that this is 475 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: done in the game, and it's just it's normal now 476 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: I think it's amazing that I'll never get tired of 477 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 1: a seven ft five dude get hitting corner threes. I'll 478 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 1: never tire of it. And again, not to sound like 479 00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:41,040 Speaker 1: a basketball um apostle here, but the game, the game 480 00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,720 Speaker 1: remains the same. It's still who was more points, It's 481 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: still about passing the ball, playing defense. But the change 482 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,120 Speaker 1: is what makes it so interesting. Because again, like, what's 483 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: the biggest criticism that baseball has that it's been the 484 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,399 Speaker 1: same forever. They never do anything different. It's you know, 485 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 1: and then when they do, you know what happens that 486 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: the pierists lose their minds Like oh, runner on second 487 00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: base one, geez, that young man's hat is backwards during 488 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: batting practice, a bad flip. Yeah, it's crazy. And again 489 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,919 Speaker 1: like it's there, you know. I know. For me, I 490 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: think being connected with the NBA and watching it and 491 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,160 Speaker 1: talking about with folks like you, it's keeps me young, 492 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 1: it keeps me involved, it keeps me, you know, it's 493 00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,920 Speaker 1: it's fun. I I don't I don't. I don't get 494 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 1: people who just are You can appreciate the good old days, 495 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,879 Speaker 1: and you can appreciate the fifties and sixties, but you 496 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: know it's it's perfectly okay to just you can you 497 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,159 Speaker 1: can also appreciate what's happening now, like they're not mutually exclusive. 498 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I think the only person who wouldn't like 499 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,360 Speaker 1: it is somehow threatened by like the game's getting better 500 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: and in their mind the like, no, in my mind, 501 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:51,760 Speaker 1: I could have beat Charles Barkley one on one, but job, 502 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna What is this guy? Like? 503 00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: Do you have to embrace it and enjoy it? Because 504 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: again that's the root, that's like the reason why we 505 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:02,280 Speaker 1: watch sport is to then be inspired by these acts 506 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 1: of athletic performance that we could have fathomed to do 507 00:26:05,119 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: in our own Exactly. It's about the new like it's 508 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 1: about it's about seeing something you've never seen before. And 509 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,000 Speaker 1: and John Moran like that's another great example. And again 510 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: it's it's not as if big guys hitting three is 511 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:22,119 Speaker 1: always seems to be the point of emphasis that um 512 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,720 Speaker 1: that wags fall back to, like oh there you know 513 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: seven ft one should be at the back, But there's 514 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: so many great smaller players. They get more athletic, they 515 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,000 Speaker 1: get better. The point guards are the people who I'm 516 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 1: looking at him being like, man, the lead really is 517 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,080 Speaker 1: progressive because of like how cool like some of these 518 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: new young point guards are. I mean when Bi Yama. 519 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: I we we mentioned when ba Yama pretty off handedly, 520 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: and I think we've mentioned him once or twice before 521 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: on the show. But for any listeners who don't know, 522 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: he'll be draft eligible, I think next year. And about 523 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,160 Speaker 1: four or five months ago, he was like seven one 524 00:26:56,480 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: and now he's seven ft five and you get to 525 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: watch him get used to his body and like just 526 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:08,080 Speaker 1: be so smooth with it in like real time. Like 527 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,879 Speaker 1: there there are highlights and like game tapes where you 528 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: watch it and it's like, oh, man, he seems like 529 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: a seven ft five guy, and it's like, oh, that's 530 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 1: because he just woke up seven five and now and 531 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: then like three games later he he looks. It reminded 532 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: me of when I would like play around on a 533 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: small battle when I was playing in the league. Yeah, 534 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: that reminded me. Was like, you guys remember my career, right, 535 00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,880 Speaker 1: like when you would play around on like a little 536 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: like nerf basket when you're a kid, and just like 537 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: the joy of being like, oh, this is so much 538 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: easier and this is so like could you imagine being 539 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: this big, like that looks like the fun he's having 540 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: in his seven ft five frame, and that evolution again, 541 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: like you're saying like he started off, You're like, wow, 542 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,719 Speaker 1: that baby deer looks a little wobbly on its legs. 543 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: And then you're like, I think it turned into Kevin Durant. Yeah, 544 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 1: two games. If you're an NBA player at that height 545 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,919 Speaker 1: in like the eighties and nineties, like you're like, oh, 546 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,880 Speaker 1: what's George murrishwan doing? Yeah, and you're just that you're 547 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: a bench presidence and you just you just put your 548 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: button to paint and you block shock, you grab remaans. 549 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: And the fact that the possibilities of the game have 550 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 1: expanded where where someone that big, what their skill set, 551 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,200 Speaker 1: not just being relegated to a Mark Eaton type or 552 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: George Morrison. That, I mean, that's incredible. That's like what 553 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,600 Speaker 1: a twenty five year are, right, I mean, not not 554 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: that long. I feel like if you were that tall, 555 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,320 Speaker 1: not that long ago, your full time job was just 556 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: taking pictures next to phone booths first size for like 557 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: Beginness Book of World Records. People are like, wow, okaymn, 558 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: I'm looking at this short pants. So longer than the 559 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: tallest man's pants. But the team went to town, like 560 00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: the local reporter from the paper would come out there 561 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: and just be like, yeah, someone who's seven foot seven. 562 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's been a regular bed. Yeah, sitting 563 00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,719 Speaker 1: on a bed, sitting in a car, shower. It's but 564 00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: it's it's again like it's the the NBA is I 565 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: don't know, to me, the storylines and all those things 566 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: that come out of it. It's even if you don't 567 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,320 Speaker 1: like the game, even if the games like it's for 568 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,440 Speaker 1: me like seven ft five teenager, and that arc of 569 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: of of him having to adjust to a grown man's league, 570 00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:23,080 Speaker 1: that's fascinating. I mean, that's that's a fascinating I mean 571 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 1: that you can do, you can do like a whole 572 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: you do a podcast based on that. Just don't like, 573 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 1: you know, his experience is, what he's doing, what he's learning. 574 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: It's you know, let's let's check us out St. Miles, 575 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: Jack and Victor got mad. But there you go. Let's 576 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,160 Speaker 1: take a quick break and we'll be right back to 577 00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:56,960 Speaker 1: get into the rapid fire round questions after this and 578 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,960 Speaker 1: we're back, and I do have a career action to issue. 579 00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 1: I know, usually podcasts like wait for a week to 580 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:08,280 Speaker 1: issue corrections. We're doing live corrections because I was wronging 581 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 1: apparently Victor wembing Yama seven two on his latest chart. 582 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: I saw seven five somewhere. Um, I think I heard 583 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: it quoted as seven five. So I'm blaming that nameless. 584 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: That's what we want. He stands like he is seven five, 585 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, he he projects seven five. But also 586 00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: he's a tall seven too. There is a lot of 587 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,360 Speaker 1: news that we're not going to get to because you're 588 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,320 Speaker 1: so fun to talk about the history of the league with. 589 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: But I mean, the Calves got Mitchell um more importantly, 590 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: Montrez Harrold is landing in Philly. I think that's the 591 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: that's everyone's talking about that. I love that movie. I 592 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 1: love that movie. I mean again, like this guy was 593 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: like two years ago, was like was he was he 594 00:30:52,520 --> 00:30:54,480 Speaker 1: six Man of the Year, was in the running? Yeah 595 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 1: he was, and then he just fell off the planet 596 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 1: and knock. Yeah he's back with docs. So I mean, 597 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:05,920 Speaker 1: but that's all for the future, uh future episodes we'll see. Um. 598 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:10,280 Speaker 1: But because we do have to make time for the 599 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: fastest segment in podcasting, it is the Miles and Jack 600 00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: Got Mad Boost. These rapid fire to close it out 601 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: round of questioning. Um, so yeah, Miles, you wanna you 602 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 1: want to prep him? I mean, what did I Did 603 00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: I go first last time? Or did you go first 604 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 1: on the questions? Yeah? I try. I was just saying, 605 00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: like it prep him for how fast it's going to 606 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:36,880 Speaker 1: be and how you're right godly, I almost forgot get ready, Pete, 607 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,720 Speaker 1: because this is the rapid fire round of questions. This 608 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 1: is the fastest segment. Now, what we're gonna do is 609 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,080 Speaker 1: we were just positive question to just react, Do not think, 610 00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: Do not give overly wordy answers because we want to 611 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 1: just get through as many questions as possible. Do not 612 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:57,040 Speaker 1: tinker with the format, please, that's one thing we I 613 00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 1: shouldn't have had that glass of wine five weeks ago. Well, 614 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: here we go, Uh start the clock. Okay, what happened 615 00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: last time? Did I go? You went first? Last time? 616 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 1: But we did rock paper scissors? I think you keep 617 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: beating me in rock paper. Let's just go for the 618 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 1: sake of expedience. Why don't you go first? Okay? Are 619 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: you sure? M I feel you want me to go. 620 00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 1: I just don't want to ruin the flow because you 621 00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 1: told him the direct all. I know that this is 622 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 1: this is gonna be like the star Gates who Can 623 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,240 Speaker 1: in two thousand one, where the lights are just flashing 624 00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: at me, and so that just keep that, keep that 625 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 1: image in your mind, or the image of a cowboy 626 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: that just had something run by them, really fasten. The 627 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: cartoon in their head is spinning around. Uh. Start started. 628 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:50,400 Speaker 1: We're asking all our guests for a few of their boldest, wildest, 629 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: most ridiculously irresponsible predictions heading into the upcoming NBA season. 630 00:32:56,280 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 1: What what you got, Let's see my prediction. I think 631 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: the I think this is I think this is the 632 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 1: last year for the Lakers. As your confessor constructed, I 633 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,080 Speaker 1: cannot see how this continues as it's being assembled. I 634 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,440 Speaker 1: don't know how Patrick Beverley fits into this. I don't 635 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: know how Russell Westbrook becomes the number two guy, especially 636 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: since he's getting older and isn't really much of a 637 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: past first option. So that that's my bulls reason. I think. 638 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,760 Speaker 1: I think like you just don't make the playoffs and 639 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: it ends after this year. It's a rebuild after this year. 640 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: Still in a cartoon universe, Miles has steam shooting out 641 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: of his ears. My hat blow off and spun into 642 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,160 Speaker 1: the air. Yeah all right, you know what, maybe we 643 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: should just stop the section. So sorry, it's fine whatever, 644 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: let's keep it going. Focus miles, um, what are we 645 00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: underrating about the upcoming season? You know, I think there's 646 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 1: a lot of rising stars, rising teams of focus goes 647 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,920 Speaker 1: somewhere and then there's a lot of people on the shadows. 648 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,240 Speaker 1: They're like, hold on, don't forget about them. I'll tell 649 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: you what the Bucks. I think people are to rerating 650 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: the books. I mean, look last year they when they 651 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,680 Speaker 1: face the Celtics, did have Chris Middleton. That's a huge 652 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,959 Speaker 1: part of their offense. Helps them spread the floor so 653 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,440 Speaker 1: that it was it isn't all in the honest I 654 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: think that to me, I think that I think a 655 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: lot of people are really aren't talking about the Bucks. 656 00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,200 Speaker 1: And I think they're They're a team that I can 657 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: see them making the finals again. And I think, you, 658 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: honest is just one of those one of those super relentless, 659 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,680 Speaker 1: super competitive dudes that always wants to get better. And 660 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: I think I think this year, I like to think 661 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,160 Speaker 1: that they make the finals. Cool and can we get 662 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,719 Speaker 1: one take where you talk about how we're underrating the Sixers? 663 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:35,440 Speaker 1: And Just. I guess you could keep the Chris Middleton 664 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:37,759 Speaker 1: take because the Sixers also didn't have Chris Middleton when 665 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: they lost last year, UM and replace Janice with them. 666 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,839 Speaker 1: Now I'm just taking so I think that's a great take. 667 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,839 Speaker 1: I'm curious about the Clippers. I think I don't know. 668 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:56,360 Speaker 1: I think last year was a teams with solid chemistry 669 00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 1: sitting at bad year for the on quote super teams. 670 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,719 Speaker 1: I feel like we might be underrating what happens to 671 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 1: these Clippers when Kauai and George are back and healthy, 672 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,440 Speaker 1: um and Just, I don't know, three years ago. We 673 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,839 Speaker 1: were watching clips of Kauai earlier this week and uh 674 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: got me excited for you know what, Jack, you gotta 675 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: really stop that. I'm sorry, this is a really rapid 676 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 1: fire segment, so we can't just kind of you know, 677 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:29,440 Speaker 1: I was expecting. I was expecting, like to have bullets 678 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: on my head here. This is very like, this is 679 00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:34,520 Speaker 1: almost leisurely, so I don't know. Wait, hold on, this 680 00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,839 Speaker 1: is going really fast. I don't this is actually fast. 681 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: Second hold on, yeah, well check the clock. Okay, next question, 682 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:46,279 Speaker 1: you cannot select Luca or Jah. Let me get your 683 00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,080 Speaker 1: best bet for m v P. This year. I think, 684 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,120 Speaker 1: I think, I think, I think Joel wins it this year. 685 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: I like to think that the hardened MAXI Indeed triad 686 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,080 Speaker 1: is gonna work. I like to think that Harden to 687 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: the boxcart Robertson in Milwaukee part of his career, give 688 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,080 Speaker 1: me more of a playmaker and a third option on 689 00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:08,880 Speaker 1: the offense. And Matthews sort of Bob Dandridge young legs, 690 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,759 Speaker 1: you know, do it all kind of guy. And I 691 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: just I love Embiid. I love Embiid. He's probably my 692 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: favorite player because I'm sort of a closet Sexers fan. Yeah, 693 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: so so Joel. I think Joel wins the MVP this year. Amazing. 694 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: I love this. I love how this segment is going. Uh, Miles, 695 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,359 Speaker 1: and so why don't we just keep going? Man, this 696 00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,520 Speaker 1: is just you and me talking now because Jabari and 697 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: Miles have chosen to end the recording. But the Lakers 698 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: still have the best uniforms in the NBA. And look, 699 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,640 Speaker 1: I think Lebron is gonna have another monster season. I 700 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: just don't see how that team makes the playoffs. But look, 701 00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,799 Speaker 1: look I'm a morn in my basement wearing a one 702 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 1: dollar Cole shirt, So like, take my advice for whatever 703 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:05,120 Speaker 1: it's worth. So there you go, Miles. You guys look cute, 704 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,840 Speaker 1: but that's cool. What's that shirt you're wiping your tears 705 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: off with the Lakers? Okay, speaking of predictions, what's more 706 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 1: likely to happen? The New York Knicks make the playoffs 707 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,080 Speaker 1: or the Nets win the Eastern Conference? Nets when the 708 00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 1: Eastern Conference hold? Look hold, sorry about that? Uh, coach 709 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 1: tip on the line. I'm not. I'm not the starting 710 00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: forward for the for the Knicks. I got a three year, 711 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: forty five million dollar contract night. Uh no, Um, I 712 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:45,239 Speaker 1: feel that with my soul. That's how. That's how confidently 713 00:37:45,239 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: I'm saying that. All right, Um, and final question, and 714 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:55,640 Speaker 1: this is important, Jack or mine. I'm Jack, I know, 715 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,480 Speaker 1: I know we've been talking for an hour. I kind 716 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:00,839 Speaker 1: of know how it. God man, it's like it's like 717 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,919 Speaker 1: asking me to choose, you know, if there's a fire, 718 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,000 Speaker 1: if I save my wife or my daughter. I can't 719 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,000 Speaker 1: to that question. Yeah, I'll tell you what do you 720 00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:12,600 Speaker 1: have a coin hold on? You know what? Here's to 721 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 1: you don't rapid fire A long pause. Well, I'm gonna 722 00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: I have a pack of clear ninety one basketball cards. 723 00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:26,759 Speaker 1: I can hear so here, let's get a player here. Okay, 724 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:31,279 Speaker 1: all right, I have a Danny Ferry Calves card. If 725 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:34,480 Speaker 1: it lands, picture up. Yeah, I'm gonna go with Miles 726 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 1: if it lands stats yeah, there we go, Here we 727 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:49,480 Speaker 1: go based up. Yes, I knew that Pete had some 728 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,279 Speaker 1: great insights. You know, I guess I need to get 729 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,839 Speaker 1: a jackhet. I mean the desperation of wearing a hat 730 00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,440 Speaker 1: with your name on it when we're gonna I mean, 731 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:01,799 Speaker 1: come on, you know I didn't notice that you have 732 00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: your hare? Yeah? Hold on, Yeah, okay, you didn't. You 733 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: might not have realized you noticed it. Answer this was 734 00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 1: It's called focus, and I'm focusing on being a good 735 00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,160 Speaker 1: podcast host. I'm bossing on. I'm focusing on the rapid fire, 736 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:25,719 Speaker 1: which was more like a leisurely stroll. Whoa, So I'm 737 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: just being a good committed guest. So sounds like your 738 00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 1: answer would be neither based on that. Oh man, well, Pete, 739 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,120 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Uh from hanging 740 00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,799 Speaker 1: time to prime time? Check it out? Wherever you get 741 00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:44,040 Speaker 1: your books? Where can people find you and follow you? 742 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: Check you out and hear you whatever? All that stuff? Yeah, 743 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,040 Speaker 1: I mean Twitter is pretty much where I hang out. 744 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 1: That's where it's it's kind of my water cooler, and 745 00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:53,680 Speaker 1: that's where I post a lot of my articles and 746 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,440 Speaker 1: musings and stuff. So yeah, at keep Proado ke E 747 00:39:57,560 --> 00:39:59,879 Speaker 1: t E c r o A two Teas asn't Thomas 748 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: oh a p Croado, that's pretty much where you can 749 00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: find everything. That's kind of my home base. I hope 750 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:07,239 Speaker 1: up a website soon, but I've been saying that since 751 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 1: like the late nineties. But until then, until then, uh 752 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:12,759 Speaker 1: pe crowd is the best bet. And yeah, the book 753 00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,959 Speaker 1: is still available pretty much every major bookstore, online, Brook 754 00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,719 Speaker 1: and Mortar, what have you. So yeah, it's amazing. Well, 755 00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. And that's been 756 00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:26,319 Speaker 1: another episode of Miles and Jack God mad Man