WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Deniece Williams

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. It's a negative.

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<v Speaker 2>Three like a coffin the snees sniff is not a

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<v Speaker 2>cough snee and a sniff. In twenty twenty two, ladies

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<v Speaker 2>and gentlemen, welcome to another episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>I am Quest Loved your host and with me is

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<v Speaker 2>the Almighty Team Supreme. I feel like Don Cornelius every

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<v Speaker 2>time I have a superlotan thing.

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<v Speaker 3>We all mighty, now, you guys the Mighty team.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, you're not the mighty with the Almighty.

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<v Speaker 4>I think somebody just got soul trained on the mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm actually watching this whole thing right now. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>sugar stea, what's up?

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Feel like a new man now, don't you?

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<v Speaker 5>I feel different? Yes, After I recorded an interview for

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<v Speaker 5>Question of Supreme.

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<v Speaker 1>With wait, well let's not give it away yet. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>not give it away yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But Steve, Steve took the lead and did miraculous Jimmy

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<v Speaker 2>jam numbers four hours with UH with an incredible guest.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know we'll hear that episode, yes soon. He

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<v Speaker 1>got the nerd out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I was there as a training Wills and

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<v Speaker 2>then Irish exited him, you know, left.

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<v Speaker 1>Him on to sell them but it can't wait. Sounded awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>But you're finand Steve, everything's fine. I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 5>I tell you said, you're the fund Steve, and that

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<v Speaker 5>is how I feel like the fauns. Yeah, I'm definitely cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, great, great fan, take a little.

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<v Speaker 6>How's it going man, I'm cooling, bro, I'm cooling, man,

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<v Speaker 6>cooland happy to have miss Denise he today.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my childhood, close and personal for real.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely and uh you know why you cannot contain ourselves.

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<v Speaker 7>Listen, I am so you don't even understand. I am pumped,

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<v Speaker 7>beyond pumped and yes, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>So well.

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<v Speaker 2>Our guest today absolutely needs an introduction. She's a legendary

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<v Speaker 2>songbird with over seventeen albums, nineteen top forty R and

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<v Speaker 2>P singles, two number one pop singles, thirteen Grammy nominations

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<v Speaker 2>for wins, but basically just for the last five decades,

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<v Speaker 2>has blessed us with that angelic voice of hers. Be

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<v Speaker 2>it as a member of Wonderlove you know where we

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<v Speaker 2>first got to see her on a national level, or

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<v Speaker 2>just her illustrious solo career and told music with her

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<v Speaker 2>own solo records on Columbia Records, or her pop career

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<v Speaker 2>or her gospel career, and yes, in my opinion, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the voices of one of my all time favorite

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<v Speaker 2>TV themes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, Yes, we'll get into that. This interview has been

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<v Speaker 1>a long time coming.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to Questloft Supreme, the one

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<v Speaker 2>and know me Denise Williams.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, how are you?

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<v Speaker 8>How you doing wonderful? I'm wonderful and really excited to

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<v Speaker 8>be with you, guys. Finally we've been trying and so

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<v Speaker 8>here we are and it's lovely. I'm excited to be

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<v Speaker 8>here with you.

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<v Speaker 1>I have one question.

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<v Speaker 2>I am going to start at the beginning of your life,

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<v Speaker 2>but I got to get this out the way. So

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<v Speaker 2>when when my parents brought home this is Niecy your

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<v Speaker 2>your your first record on Columbia.

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<v Speaker 1>Huh, all right? I was six.

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<v Speaker 2>I you know, since then, I've had the record in

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<v Speaker 2>other iterations like a trac and cassette and CD, but

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the actual.

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<v Speaker 1>Vinyl, like I only remember that from my childhood.

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<v Speaker 2>Is the name Junior or June is Junior in your

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<v Speaker 2>name or June something? Because in your liner notes I

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<v Speaker 2>remember seeing that as your name, and I you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have an uncle named Juni, and I was trying

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<v Speaker 2>to ask my mom like, wait, how's her name Junie?

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<v Speaker 2>And she's a lady, like what is what is your

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<v Speaker 2>your your full name?

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<v Speaker 8>My full name is June Denise Williams. I was born

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<v Speaker 8>on June third, so my full and first name is June. Ah.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I get it now. I think throughout time, like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like when you see something once and then

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<v Speaker 1>like decades go by.

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<v Speaker 2>I think at the time I thought maybe your name

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<v Speaker 2>was Denise Williams Junior.

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<v Speaker 1>Or something like that, But.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you was young, I didn't Yeah, I didn't associate

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<v Speaker 2>the name June.

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<v Speaker 1>When I saw that name, I thought of my uncle Juni.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, wait, how does she have his name? So

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<v Speaker 1>I get it related.

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<v Speaker 2>You never know, I see, and you're a Gemini, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I ah, oh, I forgive you anyway.

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<v Speaker 8>Nobody's perfect, right, my mother I will wake up and

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<v Speaker 8>murder and my mother will look at me and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 8>who are you today? You June or you Denise? Which

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<v Speaker 8>one am I favor today?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Really? You dealing with both of us? Okay?

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<v Speaker 4>That who we have today? We have both today?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, let's get it.

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<v Speaker 8>I keep myself entertained too.

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<v Speaker 1>I get it, I get it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you were born in Gary and Deanna,

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<v Speaker 2>so I usually start with where were you born?

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<v Speaker 1>But I want to start with a different question.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, could you please tell me what your very first

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<v Speaker 2>musical memory was.

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<v Speaker 8>My very first musical memory is. I was three years

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<v Speaker 8>old and I was sitting on the back porch at

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<v Speaker 8>my grandparents' house and I said, we will now have

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<v Speaker 8>a selection from Denise, and I started singing this song

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<v Speaker 8>called There's a Man Waiting way beyond the clouds. And

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<v Speaker 8>my dad's sister, my aunt, hurt me that. She came

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<v Speaker 8>out and she said, if I asked you to sing

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<v Speaker 8>that song in church on Sunday, would you do it?

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<v Speaker 8>And I said okay, And so I sang the song

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<v Speaker 8>and next thing I know, I was in the children's

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<v Speaker 8>choir at my church. That's my very first musical memory.

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<v Speaker 1>And what was it about that song that attracted you

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<v Speaker 1>to it?

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<v Speaker 8>I just loved it. I love the melody. I love

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<v Speaker 8>the message of the song about someone in heaven waiting

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<v Speaker 8>for me, and the beautiful melody and the fact that

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<v Speaker 8>I just liked the sound of it. When I was

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<v Speaker 8>singing the sound of my voice on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, you were born in the Midwest. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's another famous nearby family. It's kind of synonymous with

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<v Speaker 2>that series, that city of Gary, Indiana. But could you

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<v Speaker 2>give me your version, like when I hear of Gary, Indiana?

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<v Speaker 2>Besides the song Gary Indiana. You know, I only know

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<v Speaker 2>of the Jackson's version of Gary, Indiana, which is basically

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<v Speaker 2>the tale of a father using hook or crook to

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<v Speaker 2>get his kids out of that city.

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<v Speaker 1>But what are your memories of Gary, Indiana?

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<v Speaker 8>I love growing up in Gary. We had in my neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, one thing I realized is that I didn't

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<v Speaker 8>know that we were poor. You know, I thought we

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<v Speaker 8>had everything. As long as we had tuna fish, I

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<v Speaker 8>was fine.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you.

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<v Speaker 8>Right now, I'm saying. So, you know, I had an

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<v Speaker 8>upbringing in the church. I spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 8>on the weekends with my grandparents, and my grandmother was

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<v Speaker 8>the mother of the church fake temple church you got

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<v Speaker 8>in christ Over in East Chicago. So I was there

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<v Speaker 8>and basically, you know, just grew up, went to school,

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<v Speaker 8>very Christian youngster, you know, didn't know a lot about

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<v Speaker 8>what was going on. I think I was very innocent.

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<v Speaker 8>I never remember. One time one of my neighbors said,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, the way you got here is your mom

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<v Speaker 8>and dad. They did the duty and I and I

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<v Speaker 8>fought with her. I said they did not, And so

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<v Speaker 8>you know, I was, you know, very innocent. Raised up

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<v Speaker 8>with my brother, two brothers and a sister, and I

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<v Speaker 8>really liked Gary in those days. You know, school was fun.

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<v Speaker 8>I had a lot of fun friends, and I didn't

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<v Speaker 8>know much about, you know, the political system of what

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<v Speaker 8>was happening. But we did have the first black mayor,

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<v Speaker 8>which was Richard Hatcher, and so you know, a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of the history of Gary and the black communities was

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<v Speaker 8>really really great.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>Later on, of course, there was the drug scene in that.

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<v Speaker 8>But I grew up. I didn't start singing until I

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<v Speaker 8>was a teenager, and so myth teacher owned a record

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<v Speaker 8>store and I asked him for a job. I got

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<v Speaker 8>a job, so I was singing. You know a lot

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<v Speaker 8>of stuff in there. I had seen Michael and the

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<v Speaker 8>Jackson Five perform at the Masonic Temple one time, and

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<v Speaker 8>I think he was about five years old or something,

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<v Speaker 8>and their cousin, the drummer in the group n Johnny

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<v Speaker 8>had a crush on me. I thought it was a

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<v Speaker 8>crush on my sister, and maybe it was. And so

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<v Speaker 8>he used to come over to the house and we

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<v Speaker 8>would see them. I remember, you know, some girls showed

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<v Speaker 8>up at my house and they said, we wanted to

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<v Speaker 8>sing in the Talent Show, but one of our singers

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<v Speaker 8>is sick, and we heard that you can sing. And

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<v Speaker 8>one of the girls of us, I said, can you sing?

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<v Speaker 8>I said, well, if you came to church, you know. Okay,

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<v Speaker 8>you know I sang in the Talent Show. But I said, well,

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<v Speaker 8>the Jackson five is going to win the Talent Show.

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<v Speaker 8>But we sang, and actually we sang It's going to

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<v Speaker 8>take a miracle, and really that was the song we

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<v Speaker 8>sang in the Talent Show. So, you know, I loved

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<v Speaker 8>growing up in Indiana. It was a great time to

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<v Speaker 8>be raised. There was great the discipline and the growing

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<v Speaker 8>up in the church, and you know the way the

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<v Speaker 8>elder black people were at that time and how proud

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<v Speaker 8>they were as you know, doing their work and that

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<v Speaker 8>kind of stuff. Of course, later on as a teenager,

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<v Speaker 8>I did, you know, join the NAACP and I did

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<v Speaker 8>some marchie for Jim Crow, you know, the John Birch

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<v Speaker 8>Society and then folk so that was also part of

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<v Speaker 8>my upbringing. But it was really wonderful to grew up

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<v Speaker 8>in the Midwest where you had rules and regulations. You

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<v Speaker 8>really knew who you were and you know, and what

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<v Speaker 8>was going on. So it was wonderful. I'm grateful for

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<v Speaker 8>my upbringing in the Midwest and in Gary, Indiana.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have any sort of interaction with other notable

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<v Speaker 2>Gary people like I know that.

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<v Speaker 1>Kim Misells from Gary as well, Kimzillia.

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, or like Fred Williamson or Ernest Ernest Lee

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<v Speaker 2>Thomas who played rides from What's Happening.

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<v Speaker 8>That's a funny story because my grandfather was a pastor.

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<v Speaker 8>He had, you know, his membership. There's maybe about twenty

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<v Speaker 8>twenty five of us up in my grandfather's church and

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<v Speaker 8>he was a pastor, he was a musical director, he

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<v Speaker 8>was the choir leader, and so the choir existed about

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<v Speaker 8>five of us and Ernie Lee Ernie Thomas was one

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<v Speaker 8>of the members of my grandfather's church. We grew up together.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, okay, Wow, that's up.

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<v Speaker 9>I've known him since I was about ten, probably in

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<v Speaker 9>the early arts I comment I did a show at

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<v Speaker 9>the House of Blues and you know, Ernest Lee Thomas

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<v Speaker 9>was in the Foundation room like all excited, wanted to

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<v Speaker 9>come back stage, and you know, I see him walking

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<v Speaker 9>down the hallway and I'm all excited and.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like asking me permission to, like, yo, can I

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<v Speaker 1>can I meet him? Can I you know, take a photo?

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<v Speaker 1>And everything? Da da da. He's like, I love this

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<v Speaker 1>album and everything. He's like all excited and he goes

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<v Speaker 1>to comment.

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<v Speaker 2>He's like, yeah, just you know, I'm trying to be

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<v Speaker 2>respectful because you know, you know, ask your bodyguard first

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<v Speaker 2>if you could, uh, you know, if.

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<v Speaker 3>You could take a wow you were his bodyguard.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm I'm gonna tell you something fun. That was the

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<v Speaker 10>day where I was like, I have to lose weight.

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<v Speaker 10>So when I never I never shared this story, but

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<v Speaker 10>it was that day.

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<v Speaker 6>When not I got to get more famous, so I

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<v Speaker 6>gotta lose weight.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I was like, wait a minute, I wear because

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<v Speaker 2>he he he knew everything of that album, and I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, how do you know Common but don't

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<v Speaker 2>know the Roots?

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<v Speaker 1>And how do you not know that I'm a member

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<v Speaker 1>of the Roots.

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<v Speaker 2>And he's like, oh, I'm sorry, No, offense, Sir, I

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<v Speaker 2>thought you were his bodyguard, and I was like, ah, man,

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta lose weight.

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<v Speaker 10>So that that was the day.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, I had to do that. Man shout out. Shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Ernest Thomas.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So the thing is is that you grew up

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<v Speaker 2>in a church environment. What were first of all, how

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<v Speaker 2>many siblings did you have in your household?

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<v Speaker 8>Uh? There were two brothers and my sister Derek is

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<v Speaker 8>under me Diane, and then don a l.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you the baby or the I'm.

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<v Speaker 8>The eldest, I'm the oldest?

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<v Speaker 4>Was the D stand for anything where everybody was a d.

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<v Speaker 8>My mom thought she was being unique. You know what

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<v Speaker 8>can I say? I mean, my name is d E

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<v Speaker 8>n I E c E right, my sister is Diane,

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<v Speaker 8>but it's d y A N N E. She was,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, trying to be unique and artistic and whatever else.

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<v Speaker 1>She was well you know what, hey, she knew she

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<v Speaker 1>was naming like you. That's right, We're an artist. You

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<v Speaker 1>gave art to the world.

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<v Speaker 2>So growing up in that environment, how like often kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a common theme with some of the singers that

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<v Speaker 2>come on the show is often like secular music is

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<v Speaker 2>frowned upon, Like you have to stay in the church.

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<v Speaker 2>So often they're they're transitioning from the church to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, secular music whatever, it's sort of met

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<v Speaker 2>with a frown. What was the general feeling of secular

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<v Speaker 2>music back then as far as your household was concerned.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, it was frowned upon. You know, if you did

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<v Speaker 8>the Devil's music, you want to win and row stick

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<v Speaker 8>it on your way to hell, you know. So I

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<v Speaker 8>was trying to stay on a hell.

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<v Speaker 1>But so you weren't allowed to listen to Motel?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, I did, of course I saw that was okay.

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<v Speaker 8>That was that, you know. But the bottom line is

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<v Speaker 8>that my mother, who who was born and raised in

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<v Speaker 8>the church under my grandmother, said when she got grown

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<v Speaker 8>she was never going to church again. And so she

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<v Speaker 8>drop us off that church on Sunday when I wasn't

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<v Speaker 8>with my grandfather, and she would pick us up, but

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<v Speaker 8>she did not go in. She was doing the drop

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<v Speaker 8>off pickup service. And my an incredible music fan, so

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<v Speaker 8>she had a turntable in her bedroom and all of

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<v Speaker 8>these different records. So when she would go to work

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<v Speaker 8>and I would get home from school before she got

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<v Speaker 8>it there, I was sneaking in my mother's room and

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<v Speaker 8>play all her stuff. I mean, I wanted to look like,

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<v Speaker 8>sound like, dress like Nancy Wilson. That was my girl.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I'm Nancy Wilson, Dakota Staton, you know, Billy Eckstein.

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<v Speaker 8>I was listening to all of them, and you know,

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<v Speaker 8>with my through my mother's music, she had a very

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<v Speaker 8>e collected collection. Like I learned a lot of standards

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<v Speaker 8>songs because she had an album on Jackie Gleason and Jackie.

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<v Speaker 8>It was the Jackie Gleason Orchestra, and they did all

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<v Speaker 8>these standards but no lyrics. It was just oohs and odds.

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<v Speaker 8>And I learned, you know, I would sing along with

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<v Speaker 8>all of these, you know these records Marlena Shaw. I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>so my whole upbringing with music, the secular music was

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<v Speaker 8>going on in my house. I just you know, my

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<v Speaker 8>mama didn't know I was sneaking in there listening to

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<v Speaker 8>all her stuff, but I was. I was up in there.

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<v Speaker 8>And then on television when you would see certain artists

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<v Speaker 8>like I even told Johnny Mathews, I said, Honey, I

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<v Speaker 8>do this duet because I've been listening to singing with

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<v Speaker 8>you for thirty years. I was already okay, because I

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<v Speaker 8>listed in all these shows and I've been a rehearsal

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<v Speaker 8>for a long time. So it was my mother's record collection,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, that really introduced me to secular music. And

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<v Speaker 8>then you know, and then also growing up and my

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<v Speaker 8>math teacher had the record store, so I was over

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<v Speaker 8>there doing that, so I listened to all of them.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I loved all kinds of music, so you know,

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<v Speaker 8>there was a way made for me to listen even

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<v Speaker 8>though it was forbidden. I was carrying all my secret

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<v Speaker 8>music life and enjoying myself.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I can't imagine a time where you know,

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<v Speaker 2>music almost had the same sort of status as you

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<v Speaker 2>know in some black churchs as almost like pornography, Like

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<v Speaker 2>it was just forbidden. So what was that like for

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<v Speaker 2>you as a teenager, because you know, being as of

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<v Speaker 2>the year you were born, you know, by the time.

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<v Speaker 1>That's you're thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, where like there's.

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<v Speaker 2>Now black psychedelic rock, there's you know, towns going through

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<v Speaker 2>new phase of sliding the family stone.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how is that affecting your teen years? Well?

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<v Speaker 8>I tell you it did. And probably the most impactful

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<v Speaker 8>thing that happened to me was that I did do

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<v Speaker 8>a local record you know when I was I think

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<v Speaker 8>I was eighteen, called love Is Tears and it was

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<v Speaker 8>written by Eugene Records of the Shylights in Barbara Makes

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<v Speaker 8>a Woman, Barbara Acklin and Gene. Because my teacher who

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<v Speaker 8>owned the the record store he was he came in

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<v Speaker 8>the back one day and he heard me singing by

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<v Speaker 8>Maretha Franklin record I think I was singing eight and

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<v Speaker 8>no Way something like that. And then he came out

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<v Speaker 8>to the record party. He said, I didn't know you

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<v Speaker 8>could sing. I said, because you don't go to church,

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<v Speaker 8>you know. So he's he it had talked to my

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<v Speaker 8>mom and say, can I bring over some record people

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<v Speaker 8>from Chicago to hear her sing, you know, to think

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<v Speaker 8>about recording her. My mom said yes, because you know,

0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 8>she was like, listen, honey, you sing what you want

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<v Speaker 8>to sing. Them other people in that church they crazy nice.

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<v Speaker 8>And so they came over and they hurt me and

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<v Speaker 8>they and we recorded this song called Love's Tears. And

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<v Speaker 8>so but when my church found out that I had

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<v Speaker 8>recorded that song, they stood me up in church. They

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<v Speaker 8>stripped me up my membership. I was singing in five

0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:36.520
<v Speaker 8>choirs at that Indiana State choir. They said I couldn't

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<v Speaker 8>sing in the choirs anymore, and they went off on

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<v Speaker 8>me because I was I was a sinner and I

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<v Speaker 8>had done this. So you know, after they did that,

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<v Speaker 8>I kind of swung over to my mother's side in

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<v Speaker 8>a minute, like I'm not coming back and so go,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, do what you want to do. Are you

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<v Speaker 8>unhappy women getting up on Sundays snopping and crying at

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<v Speaker 8>your husband street? Anyway, talk about.

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<v Speaker 3>It, talk about it.

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<v Speaker 6>So that first, that first song you did, the Love

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<v Speaker 6>Is Tears, you did that under your name.

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<v Speaker 3>That wasn't under Ali, it was.

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<v Speaker 8>Under Denise Chandler because Williams's name. So it's Love Is

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<v Speaker 8>Tears by Toddling Town Records. You know, I have one

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<v Speaker 8>over there in my safe. I cot a little kept

0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.399
<v Speaker 8>a little copy somebody sent me. And then they got

0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.639
<v Speaker 8>mad with me and stripped me up my membership, and

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<v Speaker 8>you know I couldn't go. And you know, my best

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<v Speaker 8>friend at the time were my cousins, and we used

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<v Speaker 8>to travel with their father who was the pastor, and sing.

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<v Speaker 8>And they told me, oh, we can't have anything to

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<v Speaker 8>do with you because of your voice. And I said, honey,

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<v Speaker 8>I said, I am really that really hurts me. I'm

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<v Speaker 8>sorry to hear that. But you have to live by

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<v Speaker 8>what you believe, and I have to live by what

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<v Speaker 8>I believe.

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<v Speaker 1>So come nineteen seventy six, did you get your moment?

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<v Speaker 8>I sure did, and I'm gonna get you more.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get to that, all right, we'll get to that.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you wind up leaving Gary, Indiana?

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<v Speaker 8>I love Gary, Indiana. I think when I was eighteen,

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<v Speaker 8>I went away my you know, my band teacher, mister

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<v Speaker 8>Bryant was like my father to me, and he got

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<v Speaker 8>me into college. His roommate from college was the president

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<v Speaker 8>of Morgan State.

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<v Speaker 4>Yea, oh yes, almamado, Yes, I went there, all.

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<v Speaker 8>Right, now, So he sent me to Morgan State, you

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<v Speaker 8>know after that, and so it was like I went

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<v Speaker 8>there and I majored in sex and drugs, and you know,

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<v Speaker 8>the church people turned me a loose and I went

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<v Speaker 8>to Morgan State and lost my mind. I ofques, I

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<v Speaker 8>lost my mind.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh wait, can you really be saying what was Baltimore

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<v Speaker 4>like back then? Though? When you went to When you

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<v Speaker 4>went to you.

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<v Speaker 8>Know, Baltimore was wonderful. I enjoyed it. But I had

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<v Speaker 8>a friend that lived in the dormitory, and she was

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<v Speaker 8>in Philadelphia. Her name was China. So then you know,

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<v Speaker 8>I was there on a student work kind of a program.

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<v Speaker 8>And so I went into the high school in Baltimore

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<v Speaker 8>to be a TA tacher teacher's assistant. And then women

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<v Speaker 8>in that class they already had babies. Tenth graders had babies.

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<v Speaker 8>They looked rough like they could eat me up. So

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<v Speaker 8>I was so Chatta said, uh, girl, I heard they

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<v Speaker 8>looking for a singer and a dancer down at this club.

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<v Speaker 8>And so she said, let's go down there in the audition.

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<v Speaker 8>And and so we went down to the club and

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<v Speaker 8>I got the job singing, and she got the job dancing.

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<v Speaker 8>And we were singing and dancing in a cage. She'd

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<v Speaker 8>be on one cage and I was on another cage.

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<v Speaker 8>So wow. Anyway, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold on, let's go back to the cage.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, okay, let's go back to the cage.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the church.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm already seeing the graphics for her episode.

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<v Speaker 8>It was the opening act for these five guys that

0:23:28.680 --> 0:23:32.360
<v Speaker 8>was called the Feminiques. They was waiting for the they

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<v Speaker 8>change body, their surgery at John Hoppkins Hospital, Baltimore. Yes,

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<v Speaker 8>opening up, Yes, yes, I forget the club.

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<v Speaker 4>That was popping in Baltimore that was.

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<v Speaker 6>Known Oh yeah, yes, So mister Denise, what was your

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<v Speaker 6>attire in the cage?

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<v Speaker 3>What was your outfit?

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<v Speaker 8>I had on a love jumpsuit, you know, Tina had

0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.080
<v Speaker 8>on little jumpsuits. And we was in the cage and

0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 8>I was singing by you know, the records of Rita

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:05.800
<v Speaker 8>and all that kind of stuff, and she'd be there. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>I made more money in occasion I would have made

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<v Speaker 8>if I stayed at school.

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<v Speaker 1>And this was your first time out of away from home.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'm telling you, this was my first time because

0:24:15.520 --> 0:24:20.359
<v Speaker 8>my mom borrored my a neighbor's car Ronnie he Borreroddy

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:23.320
<v Speaker 8>car and she drove me from Gary, Indiana to Baltimore.

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<v Speaker 8>And when my mom left us standing there and I

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<v Speaker 8>pick up and she'd be down the road and then

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<v Speaker 8>she's gone, and then I couldn't see. I said, who.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh wow.

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<v Speaker 4>School. I'm glad it had that history.

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<v Speaker 8>Real nice, Thank God, albody. And they already had me church,

0:24:52.720 --> 0:24:55.480
<v Speaker 8>had me set up in a church at Baltimore, and

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<v Speaker 8>people that was gonna pick me up on Sunday and

0:24:58.720 --> 0:25:01.480
<v Speaker 8>take me to church. I love to lasted about two.

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<v Speaker 3>Months Oh it lasted that Long's that long?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it lasted that long.

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<v Speaker 1>I see.

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<v Speaker 2>So, okay, you're in Baltimore. But the thing is, you

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<v Speaker 2>released a single. So in your mind when you made

0:25:16.280 --> 0:25:20.440
<v Speaker 2>that single, was that just a one off thing? Okay

0:25:20.480 --> 0:25:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I made I made a forty five and whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, are you actively pursuing, like, Okay, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to do this for real, I want to get a

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<v Speaker 2>record deal and release music or is it just like Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I did that.

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<v Speaker 1>That was fun.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I never wanted to sing.

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<v Speaker 1>With that voice.

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<v Speaker 8>No, because I grew up in a church with a

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:48.159
<v Speaker 8>lot of great gospel singers, my cousins. They would you know,

0:25:48.280 --> 0:25:50.919
<v Speaker 8>they would sing and folks would be slaying in the

0:25:51.000 --> 0:25:54.160
<v Speaker 8>spirit and falling out and shouting and running off through

0:25:54.160 --> 0:25:57.320
<v Speaker 8>the church. And I would sing and they would listen

0:25:57.359 --> 0:25:57.879
<v Speaker 8>and cry.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, well, and I was thinking, and.

0:26:00.359 --> 0:26:03.040
<v Speaker 8>I'm doing something wrong because they're not falling out and

0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.720
<v Speaker 8>speaking in tongue and doing all of that. They're just

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 8>listening and they're crying. I mean, they would be boohoo

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.240
<v Speaker 8>crying when I was seeing and so I just thought

0:26:12.160 --> 0:26:16.080
<v Speaker 8>I didn't have it. And my mom was a nurse's aide,

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.640
<v Speaker 8>My grandmother worked in the hospital as the nurse's age.

0:26:19.640 --> 0:26:22.560
<v Speaker 8>I had an aunt who worked in sterilizing instruments, and

0:26:22.600 --> 0:26:24.719
<v Speaker 8>so I wanted to be a nurse. That's what I

0:26:24.840 --> 0:26:25.320
<v Speaker 8>was going to do.

0:26:25.440 --> 0:26:31.200
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Oh wow, I remember that. Okay, I wanted to.

0:26:31.119 --> 0:26:34.080
<v Speaker 8>Be a nurse. I wasn't thinking about the music industry

0:26:34.200 --> 0:26:35.920
<v Speaker 8>or pursuing that at all.

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<v Speaker 4>So who explained the tears to you and what they

0:26:38.200 --> 0:26:40.640
<v Speaker 4>really meant?

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<v Speaker 8>Who's playing?

0:26:41.280 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 4>Was said?

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<v Speaker 7>Who explained the tears to you? Like, who explained job? Yeah,

0:26:45.880 --> 0:26:47.199
<v Speaker 7>because at the end of the day, you know, you

0:26:47.240 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 7>still do that. So but it's it's a good thing.

0:26:50.240 --> 0:26:53.240
<v Speaker 8>So they weren't saying anything to me, you know, they

0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 8>weren't saying a whole lot to my cousins, so that

0:26:55.760 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 8>was falling out. You know, they would have their experience

0:26:58.080 --> 0:27:02.359
<v Speaker 8>and falling out, but they didn't explain their reaction or

0:27:02.400 --> 0:27:06.800
<v Speaker 8>their connection to what we were saying. Probably the only

0:27:06.840 --> 0:27:10.080
<v Speaker 8>one that did that was my cousin who was kind

0:27:10.080 --> 0:27:13.439
<v Speaker 8>of like my music teacher, you know, he was you know, Denise,

0:27:13.640 --> 0:27:16.560
<v Speaker 8>there's if the altos are not strong enough, or the

0:27:16.600 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 8>second soprano or first alan just feeling the hole, you know,

0:27:19.400 --> 0:27:22.560
<v Speaker 8>just wherever the weakest.

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:25.359
<v Speaker 7>Oh no, Denise, I mean, did anybody ever explain to

0:27:25.400 --> 0:27:27.919
<v Speaker 7>you that those tears mean so much more, you know

0:27:28.040 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 7>or gift? Yes, because to this day those songs like

0:27:31.680 --> 0:27:34.639
<v Speaker 7>your songs. I was listening today just remembering tearing up,

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:35.560
<v Speaker 7>So that's a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:37.080 --> 0:27:37.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>But they never said anything, you know, they would just

0:27:41.160 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 8>you know, got critical when I did the R and

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:51.040
<v Speaker 8>B song expressed you know, their thoughts about my my

0:27:51.280 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 8>talents and my cousins who had people fallen out. You know,

0:27:55.400 --> 0:27:57.800
<v Speaker 8>they were the big, big cheese. They were the one

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:02.240
<v Speaker 8>and you know, the pastors children, and so they were

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:05.120
<v Speaker 8>the big folks in the church. And so I never

0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 8>thought I had a sad that I better go to

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:09.320
<v Speaker 8>school and be a nurse, you know. So that's the

0:28:09.359 --> 0:28:11.679
<v Speaker 8>reason why I went to Baltimore. And like I said,

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:15.280
<v Speaker 8>I don't remember one professor's name, Professor Dix, And that

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:18.120
<v Speaker 8>was because she had gone to Africa and had all

0:28:18.160 --> 0:28:22.080
<v Speaker 8>this fabulous jewelry, you know, from Africa, and I remember her.

0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:24.719
<v Speaker 8>I don't remember the rest of it except being in

0:28:24.720 --> 0:28:25.280
<v Speaker 8>the cage.

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:28.959
<v Speaker 1>Wow, man, I love the storyteller.

0:28:30.200 --> 0:28:32.720
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, is that was that your first

0:28:32.800 --> 0:28:35.800
<v Speaker 2>like true professional experience.

0:28:36.720 --> 0:28:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Singing background or with the national artist that I mean

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 1>with Stevie Wonder.

0:28:42.680 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 8>He was the very first. Well, no, let me back up.

0:28:46.680 --> 0:28:51.600
<v Speaker 8>When I did the local song, I was asked to

0:28:51.640 --> 0:28:57.720
<v Speaker 8>sing at the Masonic Temple on this show with Jerry Butler,

0:28:58.280 --> 0:29:02.920
<v Speaker 8>and then I was asked if I would, you know,

0:29:03.480 --> 0:29:06.040
<v Speaker 8>sing let it be me with him, because I think

0:29:06.080 --> 0:29:06.800
<v Speaker 8>he sang with.

0:29:07.680 --> 0:29:10.000
<v Speaker 1>A pretty good and.

0:29:12.040 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah. So I sang let it be me with

0:29:15.440 --> 0:29:18.960
<v Speaker 8>with with Jerry Butler, and I was like, oh gosh,

0:29:18.960 --> 0:29:21.320
<v Speaker 8>I thought I had died and gone to heaven, you know,

0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:24.320
<v Speaker 8>because I loved his voice. He was huge in those

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:27.400
<v Speaker 8>days in the Chicago area and you know, all over

0:29:27.480 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 8>with music. And so that was my first time singing

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 8>with a professional person. But the second time would be

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:36.200
<v Speaker 8>with Stevie Wonder.

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>So what led you to that journey.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:45.360
<v Speaker 8>I had a cousin, John Harris, and when John's grandmother

0:29:45.480 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 8>and my grandmother were sisters. But John lived in Detroit.

0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 8>So the first time John came, oh Lord Jesus, I

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.760
<v Speaker 8>fell in love with that black man. He had compel.

0:29:57.520 --> 0:30:03.480
<v Speaker 8>He was you know, he got yeah that in his hair, girl, okay,

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:08.640
<v Speaker 8>And so he would come. So my sister said, don't

0:30:08.680 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 8>even think about it. That's your cousin. That's blood y'all.

0:30:11.840 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 8>Get together. You're gonna have idiot children, you know what

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:14.239
<v Speaker 8>I mean?

0:30:15.560 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 4>That real John.

0:30:17.920 --> 0:30:21.360
<v Speaker 8>So John would come in, you know, every summer for

0:30:21.440 --> 0:30:24.440
<v Speaker 8>one week and then what So he's from Detroit, So

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 8>he kept telling me, telling us, you know, I worked

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 8>for Stevie Wonder. I said, boy, Pinocchio, your nose is growing.

0:30:30.880 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 8>You don't know Stevie Wonder. Everybody Detroit say they know

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.680
<v Speaker 8>Stevie Wonder. And he told me that for like three

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:40.000
<v Speaker 8>years that he knew and was working with Stevie Wonder.

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:43.560
<v Speaker 8>So when I went to school in Baltimore, he called me.

0:30:43.680 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 8>He said, Okay, Stevie's doing a concert in Baltimore and

0:30:46.800 --> 0:30:50.320
<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna give you a backstage pass. And so I

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:53.400
<v Speaker 8>went to the concert. He introduced me to Stevie. I

0:30:53.400 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 8>think I first met him when I was eighteen, and

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:59.160
<v Speaker 8>he introduced me to Stevie. So I was apologizing to

0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 8>John Tell was insane. I believe it. Anyway, That's how

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.560
<v Speaker 8>I first met Do you know I let him drive

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:09.240
<v Speaker 8>my car with his blind stuff.

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.840
<v Speaker 4>Yo, It's like a whole long list of people who

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 4>let him do this?

0:31:12.840 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 2>Why is he we can do a compilation? And the

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:18.360
<v Speaker 2>amount of times Stevie wanted to has driven.

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.000
<v Speaker 1>Someone's car.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 8>My life flashing in front of my eyes and his too.

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:29.160
<v Speaker 6>But anyway, you were in the car while you weren't

0:31:29.160 --> 0:31:30.960
<v Speaker 6>just letting him drive it. You were riding with him

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 6>while he got on the brake.

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Ah, Sir, I.

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:39.680
<v Speaker 8>Love Jesus, but I wasn't trying to see him that day.

0:31:43.960 --> 0:31:49.960
<v Speaker 8>So anyhow, about two years after that, Uh, John came

0:31:50.040 --> 0:31:53.040
<v Speaker 8>and he said, hey, what you doing? And I said, Man,

0:31:53.200 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 8>I have to leave school because that science was kicking

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:57.840
<v Speaker 8>my butt. I said, I don't know what I do

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:01.040
<v Speaker 8>with myself, but I you know I can't handle the science.

0:32:01.320 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 8>He said, well, you want me to get you an

0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 8>audition with Stevie. I said, there you go, there you go.

0:32:06.040 --> 0:32:09.200
<v Speaker 8>He said, no, Denise. He said, you know he's auditioning

0:32:09.240 --> 0:32:12.600
<v Speaker 8>for singers, and if you want to, I'll get him

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.160
<v Speaker 8>to give you a ticket to come to Detroit and

0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 8>you can, you know, audition, And that's what happened. I

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:22.239
<v Speaker 8>went in. There was about twenty of us, and I

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:25.880
<v Speaker 8>was one of the three that he chose for wonder Love.

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:30.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I consider the core you Jim Gilstrap was.

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.560
<v Speaker 8>He Jim I first came aboard.

0:32:33.880 --> 0:32:36.160
<v Speaker 1>Huh wow, Okay, I never saw one of Love with

0:32:36.400 --> 0:32:38.000
<v Speaker 1>a male singer. Okay, that's dope.

0:32:38.400 --> 0:32:41.240
<v Speaker 8>Lonnie Gross was there, Jim, and Lonnie Grosse was there

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 8>when I joined, and then Shirley came a little bit

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:45.840
<v Speaker 8>after me.

0:32:46.720 --> 0:32:50.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so well Green also, but before the.

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:55.080
<v Speaker 8>Supreen came after too. After Oh, Lonnie left.

0:32:55.280 --> 0:32:57.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's Jim singing, if I'm not mistaking.

0:32:57.400 --> 0:32:59.160
<v Speaker 6>Is that Jim singing the first verse of your the

0:32:59.160 --> 0:33:02.480
<v Speaker 6>Sunshine of My Life.

0:33:03.040 --> 0:33:15.240
<v Speaker 2>He's also the male voice on Good Times. I Gotta

0:33:15.280 --> 0:33:18.719
<v Speaker 2>tell the Storis We've mentioned Jim is a singing partner

0:33:18.800 --> 0:33:22.080
<v Speaker 2>on that. There's another artist that was on Motown that

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:24.520
<v Speaker 2>Stevie was managing at the time named Blinky.

0:33:25.640 --> 0:33:28.680
<v Speaker 1>And oh you know, okay, but.

0:33:29.200 --> 0:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>There's one scene in Summer and Soul that I had

0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:34.520
<v Speaker 2>to leave out. Blinky was like a performer on the

0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:37.240
<v Speaker 2>on the festival and they were doing a cover of

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Light My Fire.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 1>And you know, these are union musicians, not.

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 2>Like people that are familiar with the music, and August

0:33:45.160 --> 0:33:48.520
<v Speaker 2>of Wind came and blew the music sheet off of

0:33:48.560 --> 0:33:52.600
<v Speaker 2>their stands. So it's one of the most hilarious moments

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>of them not knowing how to end the song. So

0:33:55.960 --> 0:33:59.840
<v Speaker 2>there they keep playing in a round circle and it's

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 2>it's the greatest car crash I ever heard in my life,

0:34:03.040 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 2>Like of her.

0:34:05.000 --> 0:34:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Trying to end the song, but you know it couldn't happen.

0:34:09.400 --> 0:34:11.680
<v Speaker 2>But I always wanted to know, like, was Blinky one

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:14.880
<v Speaker 2>of his background singers or just I never.

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:17.239
<v Speaker 8>Heard that she was one of his background singers. I

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:19.719
<v Speaker 8>know her as a singer and as an art as

0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 8>a recording artist, but I never heard that she was

0:34:22.800 --> 0:34:25.000
<v Speaker 8>actually one of the females.

0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he managed her, or at least according to the

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:33.800
<v Speaker 2>contracts that that we had, he was one of her managers,

0:34:33.880 --> 0:34:36.760
<v Speaker 2>but her and Yvonne Fair.

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Were under him.

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:42.360
<v Speaker 2>But okay, I always wanted to know, like about the

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 2>other singers that were in the stable and if they

0:34:45.800 --> 0:34:47.360
<v Speaker 2>were wonderlove members or whatnot.

0:34:49.560 --> 0:34:50.399
<v Speaker 1>Did you talk about that.

0:34:50.360 --> 0:34:52.640
<v Speaker 4>Experience, because I'm about to ask the audition, I was like,

0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:53.080
<v Speaker 4>what was that?

0:34:53.200 --> 0:34:54.840
<v Speaker 1>Like, Yeah, what's that experience?

0:34:54.920 --> 0:34:58.480
<v Speaker 8>Like that was scary because you know, some of them

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 8>showed up with the piano, they had music they wanted

0:35:01.960 --> 0:35:06.520
<v Speaker 8>to sing. I just showed up and just watching everybody

0:35:06.880 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 8>you know, in their professional audition. I was sitting there saying,

0:35:10.160 --> 0:35:12.279
<v Speaker 8>oh God, oh god, I don't know why I came.

0:35:12.920 --> 0:35:15.960
<v Speaker 8>So then he called me up and I started to cry.

0:35:16.560 --> 0:35:18.480
<v Speaker 8>I said, I don't know what to sing. I don't

0:35:18.480 --> 0:35:21.680
<v Speaker 8>know what to do. So he started playing teach me Tonight,

0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 8>and then I would, you know, sing along with him,

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:27.480
<v Speaker 8>and I learned, and i'd, you know, do some riffs

0:35:27.560 --> 0:35:30.640
<v Speaker 8>or something, would teach me Tonight, and then all of

0:35:30.719 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 8>us at the very end, you know, it has split

0:35:33.000 --> 0:35:35.880
<v Speaker 8>up into four part harmony, and we all ended with

0:35:36.040 --> 0:35:38.799
<v Speaker 8>singing teach Me Tonight. And that was my audition. I

0:35:38.920 --> 0:35:44.080
<v Speaker 8>was not prepared. I was not ready, but he saw something.

0:35:44.640 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 1>I see, all right, that makes sense for our listeners

0:35:48.000 --> 0:35:51.280
<v Speaker 1>who don't know. Everyone in that band was a legend.

0:35:51.440 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean, from drummer Alie Brown to of course we

0:35:54.480 --> 0:36:02.279
<v Speaker 2>know Ray Parker Jr. Michael Simbello, yeah, yeah, Michael sim

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:06.240
<v Speaker 2>all those people, but even like the so just in general,

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:10.240
<v Speaker 2>like I was, I always thought of Wonderloves as an army.

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>What was it like for you? How was your experience

0:36:14.200 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>in touring with that unit?

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.680
<v Speaker 8>Well? I was scared, so it was difficult, but I

0:36:19.719 --> 0:36:23.160
<v Speaker 8>came in Dave Samberg was on saxophone. The Brecker Brothers

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:24.640
<v Speaker 8>were playing with Stevie.

0:36:25.520 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>That's right, yes, they were.

0:36:26.840 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, Samborn and the Brecker Brothers were there. So there

0:36:31.600 --> 0:36:36.080
<v Speaker 8>was a lot of incredible musicians that came through Stevie's stable.

0:36:36.960 --> 0:36:40.839
<v Speaker 8>It was hard for me in the beginning because I went,

0:36:41.000 --> 0:36:44.520
<v Speaker 8>I actually came. By the time I did the audition,

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.240
<v Speaker 8>I had one son. You know, I had been married

0:36:48.320 --> 0:36:51.360
<v Speaker 8>and I had had had a son. So me trying

0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:56.840
<v Speaker 8>to balance motherhood and broals the professional business of the

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.800
<v Speaker 8>recording industry was really tough. But he really worked with

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.960
<v Speaker 8>me because you know, I'd be singing and one of

0:37:04.000 --> 0:37:06.520
<v Speaker 8>the girlfriends would be standing on the side with the baby,

0:37:07.120 --> 0:37:10.719
<v Speaker 8>you know. So you know, he really worked. And it

0:37:10.880 --> 0:37:12.960
<v Speaker 8>was hard because I was the only one that was

0:37:13.040 --> 0:37:16.080
<v Speaker 8>a parent. Nobody else had any children, so they weren't

0:37:16.160 --> 0:37:20.240
<v Speaker 8>leading that double life of you know, having this profession

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.080
<v Speaker 8>and touring but still having to raise you know, my

0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:26.520
<v Speaker 8>raise my child. And I think by the second year

0:37:26.560 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 8>I was with him, I had another baby, you know,

0:37:29.160 --> 0:37:33.840
<v Speaker 8>so it was you know, it wasn't easy. I was scared.

0:37:35.120 --> 0:37:37.279
<v Speaker 8>You know. The very first concert I did with him,

0:37:37.360 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 8>somebody said we were going to be doing in Philadelphia,

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:43.600
<v Speaker 8>and I remember it was a club in a King

0:37:43.680 --> 0:37:48.560
<v Speaker 8>of pressure Philadelphia. I saw from outside the hotel, you know,

0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:51.960
<v Speaker 8>saying Philly that way. We were in King of Pressure.

0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:56.000
<v Speaker 8>But you know, it was just me. Thing for me

0:37:56.239 --> 0:37:59.680
<v Speaker 8>was balancing a career and being a mother.

0:38:01.000 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 2>It's nineteen seventy two, you know, because I think in

0:38:05.239 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 2>everyone's mind, especially by the seventies, it's like, oh, you're

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:15.319
<v Speaker 2>on television, you must be a millionaire. Oh my god,

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:20.279
<v Speaker 2>they're on Sesame Street, they gotta be rich. So what's

0:38:20.320 --> 0:38:24.239
<v Speaker 2>singing with one of the premiere acts of his era?

0:38:25.640 --> 0:38:26.840
<v Speaker 2>Was that a good living?

0:38:27.239 --> 0:38:28.560
<v Speaker 1>Back in nineteen seventy.

0:38:28.320 --> 0:38:31.600
<v Speaker 8>Two, I think it was an okay living. You know,

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:36.080
<v Speaker 8>we made it work, but no Steven was making the

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:41.880
<v Speaker 8>money and you know, we were getting salary that was

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 8>you know, it was okay, but it wasn't great. The

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:48.359
<v Speaker 8>thing that really helped me is that my mom left

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:51.320
<v Speaker 8>Indiana and moved out to California, so she was helping

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 8>with the kids and we were living together. So that

0:38:54.800 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 8>was a great help to me that my mom decided,

0:38:57.120 --> 0:38:58.640
<v Speaker 8>you know, I want you to have this career and

0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.839
<v Speaker 8>I don't want you to you know, so concerned about

0:39:01.880 --> 0:39:05.640
<v Speaker 8>the boys, and and actually it had not it been

0:39:05.680 --> 0:39:07.640
<v Speaker 8>for my mom coming out. I couldn't have trusted my

0:39:07.800 --> 0:39:11.960
<v Speaker 8>children to anybody else. She took that off of me.

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.880
<v Speaker 8>And collectively, you know, we did Okay, was it? You know?

0:39:16.280 --> 0:39:20.840
<v Speaker 8>Was was I rich or no? You know, but you

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 8>know we we made it work, you know, definitely we

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:24.839
<v Speaker 8>made it work.

0:39:25.640 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>So and being in wonder love.

0:39:28.480 --> 0:39:31.200
<v Speaker 2>One of the requirements was well, not requirements, but you

0:39:31.280 --> 0:39:33.040
<v Speaker 2>felt it was wise for you to move to Los

0:39:33.080 --> 0:39:36.240
<v Speaker 2>Angeles as opposed to just going north to New York.

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 8>Or initially in the beginning we did go to New York,

0:39:40.160 --> 0:39:43.080
<v Speaker 8>but then after being there for a couple of months,

0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 8>Stevie decided to move to Los Angeles, and so we

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:47.080
<v Speaker 8>went to LA.

0:39:48.280 --> 0:39:51.960
<v Speaker 2>And did this also include session work as well? Like

0:39:52.200 --> 0:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>what notable songs are you singing the background on?

0:39:55.239 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 8>I didn't do a lot of session work with him.

0:39:57.440 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 8>I started doing a lot of session work when I

0:39:59.520 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 8>left town, you know, so you know, I sang quite

0:40:03.640 --> 0:40:07.680
<v Speaker 8>a bit with ROBERTA. Flack, who then eventually hired me,

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.880
<v Speaker 8>Lonnie Grose and Patty Austin to travel her with her

0:40:11.280 --> 0:40:18.120
<v Speaker 8>as background singers. It was what was right, I think

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.439
<v Speaker 8>I'm on that's the time I feel like making love.

0:40:20.640 --> 0:40:25.640
<v Speaker 8>And yes, roberta Flack, you know so. But when I

0:40:25.760 --> 0:40:27.759
<v Speaker 8>was with Stevie, I didn't do a whole lot of

0:40:27.880 --> 0:40:28.680
<v Speaker 8>background work.

0:40:28.760 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 3>You know.

0:40:29.160 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 8>I was on a retainer, I was on a salary,

0:40:32.040 --> 0:40:35.879
<v Speaker 8>and I felt a responsibility to stay there and sing

0:40:36.000 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 8>with him and not go out and do a lot

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:39.759
<v Speaker 8>of stuff. But the minute I stepped away, I was

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:40.680
<v Speaker 8>doing quite a bit.

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, who else was poaching you at the time when

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 2>you were in Wonder Love to come sing with me?

0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 8>Well, I had a real frightening experience with Ike Turner,

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 8>you know, wow talk to me and he had me

0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 8>speaking in tongues up in there. I thought, Jesus, I

0:40:59.520 --> 0:41:05.720
<v Speaker 8>got the gun. And uh, Kenny Gamble, you know, Philadelphia

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:08.879
<v Speaker 8>heard me singing and they approached me, and I said,

0:41:08.960 --> 0:41:12.520
<v Speaker 8>you know, that's okay, because Kenny Gambles had like a

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 8>chair that sat like a throne, sitting up high, and

0:41:16.160 --> 0:41:18.640
<v Speaker 8>he had you sitting down, and I thought, I don't

0:41:18.680 --> 0:41:20.520
<v Speaker 8>think I like this too much, so I said no,

0:41:20.680 --> 0:41:21.000
<v Speaker 8>thank you.

0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:26.319
<v Speaker 1>You know, based on the hystatics of his positioning of saying, man,

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>I get it.

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:31.560
<v Speaker 8>Telling me to go up in there and I want

0:41:31.600 --> 0:41:33.759
<v Speaker 8>to go, and I was scared, and he was saying,

0:41:33.920 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 8>I don't think it's just for you, Denise, and I said,

0:41:35.719 --> 0:41:36.600
<v Speaker 8>I agree, it's not.

0:41:36.960 --> 0:41:39.440
<v Speaker 4>Bye, So wait, can you tell us what's the words?

0:41:39.520 --> 0:41:41.520
<v Speaker 4>Did I say words to you that made you go?

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:44.840
<v Speaker 8>Or was it I wanted to know what I wanted

0:41:44.920 --> 0:41:46.560
<v Speaker 8>to do and what I wanted to do with my

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.480
<v Speaker 8>career where you know, I think I wanted to go.

0:41:50.000 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 8>And I said, uh, I think I'm gonna stay right

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:54.320
<v Speaker 8>there with wonder love for right now. And thank you

0:41:54.400 --> 0:41:58.320
<v Speaker 8>so much for considering and talking to me.

0:41:58.560 --> 0:41:59.920
<v Speaker 4>Thank you you could be taking them.

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think you made the right decision.

0:42:02.840 --> 0:42:07.640
<v Speaker 2>I should note that, you know, in seventy two one

0:42:07.680 --> 0:42:14.480
<v Speaker 2>of the more unusual pairings. Again, even as unusual pairings go,

0:42:14.760 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>like for those that have seen you know, Bill Graham's lineups,

0:42:18.719 --> 0:42:20.520
<v Speaker 2>like it was very typical for you to see like

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.120
<v Speaker 2>Miles Davis and The Grateful Dead one Night, or like

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy Hendrickson, you know, like some other act that's the

0:42:28.239 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>opposite of him.

0:42:29.080 --> 0:42:32.839
<v Speaker 1>But you guys happened to be on tour.

0:42:34.040 --> 0:42:36.719
<v Speaker 2>And you know, for those that followed the history of

0:42:36.719 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the Rolling Stones, it should probably be noted that perhaps

0:42:43.239 --> 0:42:47.759
<v Speaker 2>they're nineteen seventy two tour document it very well in

0:42:47.920 --> 0:42:55.440
<v Speaker 2>a yet unseen documentary called Cocksucker Blues. Was really like

0:42:55.600 --> 0:43:00.480
<v Speaker 2>one of the first sort of ganders into what we

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 2>now think like debauchery rock life. Was, you know, the

0:43:05.680 --> 0:43:09.960
<v Speaker 2>idea of private airplanes and groupies on the road and

0:43:10.480 --> 0:43:13.920
<v Speaker 2>just at least at least the half hour of that

0:43:14.160 --> 0:43:18.759
<v Speaker 2>documentary that I saw, can you talk about And I'm

0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:23.160
<v Speaker 2>mainly asking this because you know, ten years later they'll

0:43:23.239 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>try the same thing. But Prince and the experience was

0:43:25.719 --> 0:43:28.480
<v Speaker 2>not good for Prince where you know, he was famously

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.840
<v Speaker 2>booed off stage. But at the time when Stevie Wonder

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:36.719
<v Speaker 2>is being asked a tour with the Rolling Stones, was

0:43:36.760 --> 0:43:40.360
<v Speaker 2>there was there any trepidation at all, like, Okay, what

0:43:40.560 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 2>do they want with this soul act and how do

0:43:42.719 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 2>we like? What was the audience response night after night

0:43:46.040 --> 0:43:50.600
<v Speaker 2>to to Stevie Wonder, who had yet to really prove

0:43:50.680 --> 0:43:52.120
<v Speaker 2>himself as an adult artist.

0:43:53.280 --> 0:43:56.640
<v Speaker 8>Well, they absolutely loved him. I mean, Stevie got during

0:43:56.680 --> 0:44:01.919
<v Speaker 8>that particular tour, he got you know, mad reception from

0:44:02.000 --> 0:44:04.120
<v Speaker 8>the audience, and I think that, you know, that's what

0:44:04.280 --> 0:44:06.960
<v Speaker 8>really blew him up when he opened for the roly Stones,

0:44:06.960 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 8>who was were renowned and well you know known, and

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:13.439
<v Speaker 8>the music well known. So that opened up the door,

0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:18.879
<v Speaker 8>a giant door for uh Stevie to be there with them.

0:44:18.960 --> 0:44:21.120
<v Speaker 8>And the reception was, you know, was good. He did

0:44:21.320 --> 0:44:21.799
<v Speaker 8>very well.

0:44:22.840 --> 0:44:27.800
<v Speaker 2>So you guys weren't pelted with any tomatoes or or

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:28.600
<v Speaker 2>any of those things.

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.640
<v Speaker 1>Are you familiar with the Prince story at all?

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:32.279
<v Speaker 8>No?

0:44:33.920 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so you know, Mick Jagger is a fan of

0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>dirty mining controversy and asked Prince to open up for

0:44:39.239 --> 0:44:43.600
<v Speaker 2>the Rolling Stones and about one song and just you know,

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:46.759
<v Speaker 2>the first time is this merciless booze and some Jack

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Daniel's bottles. But the next day they came armed with like,

0:44:51.400 --> 0:44:56.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, chicken and watermelon and oh so it wasn't.

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:57.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it wasn't.

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:00.440
<v Speaker 2>Which is where considered that it's Los Angeles. He would think, like,

0:45:01.400 --> 0:45:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles is way harder, yeah, to please than New

0:45:05.040 --> 0:45:05.759
<v Speaker 2>York City was.

0:45:05.920 --> 0:45:08.440
<v Speaker 4>But you can't do that to a blind man. Now,

0:45:08.840 --> 0:45:10.640
<v Speaker 4>you can't be throwing the water mountains on the steak.

0:45:12.080 --> 0:45:15.640
<v Speaker 8>No, I didn't know that that happened to him, but we,

0:45:16.160 --> 0:45:18.759
<v Speaker 8>you know, we were fine. I think the thing that

0:45:19.000 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 8>terrified me, especially as a little church girl, is the

0:45:22.600 --> 0:45:25.359
<v Speaker 8>drugs that were circulated, that they have their own doctor

0:45:25.440 --> 0:45:27.120
<v Speaker 8>on the road with them to keep them pumped up.

0:45:27.120 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, oh Jesus, So you know, we haven't

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:35.239
<v Speaker 2>had an artist on here that has been on a

0:45:35.320 --> 0:45:36.839
<v Speaker 2>tour of that magnitude.

0:45:36.880 --> 0:45:38.520
<v Speaker 1>So what can you describe?

0:45:39.680 --> 0:45:39.840
<v Speaker 8>You know?

0:45:39.960 --> 0:45:43.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean we have a I mean we can imagine

0:45:43.360 --> 0:45:45.759
<v Speaker 2>like what it's like on a wild crazy tour, but

0:45:46.280 --> 0:45:51.279
<v Speaker 2>you just generally describe what you saw like during that

0:45:51.400 --> 0:45:51.920
<v Speaker 2>time period.

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:56.240
<v Speaker 8>Well, you know, it was really funny what usually happened

0:45:56.280 --> 0:45:58.120
<v Speaker 8>with me on those tours. And it started with that

0:45:58.320 --> 0:46:01.640
<v Speaker 8>tour is all the roadies really liked me, and they

0:46:01.640 --> 0:46:04.680
<v Speaker 8>would say, you know, you want some Hashi you want

0:46:04.800 --> 0:46:07.319
<v Speaker 8>you know, we got coke, we got that, And I'll say,

0:46:07.640 --> 0:46:09.839
<v Speaker 8>not in Jesus knowing Jesus name, I don't want none

0:46:09.880 --> 0:46:13.640
<v Speaker 8>of that. You know real quick that I'm not gonna

0:46:13.680 --> 0:46:16.000
<v Speaker 8>be bothered with none of that. You can't have no Kuchie.

0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:22.880
<v Speaker 8>And by back it, miss I had to play the

0:46:23.000 --> 0:46:25.520
<v Speaker 8>Jesus card, you know, you know, because once I went

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 8>to preaching and talking about Jesus, they would back up like,

0:46:29.200 --> 0:46:32.360
<v Speaker 8>oh yeah, she really she's cute little girl, you know,

0:46:32.480 --> 0:46:35.640
<v Speaker 8>but she really that she's not gonna do nothing, you know.

0:46:35.760 --> 0:46:38.160
<v Speaker 8>But they, you know, they would offer me we we

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:40.760
<v Speaker 8>got this, and they walk up with the roll stuff

0:46:40.840 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 8>and walk over with stuff, and I said, no, no, God,

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:47.600
<v Speaker 8>don't ID don't like that. So I, you know, I

0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:50.520
<v Speaker 8>played that the Christian card and after a while they

0:46:50.840 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 8>would see that I wasn't interested, so they would leave

0:46:54.880 --> 0:46:58.480
<v Speaker 8>me alone. But I remember one night, for some reason,

0:46:58.560 --> 0:47:00.920
<v Speaker 8>I got caught coming out late and we were supposed

0:47:00.920 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 8>to come out and get on the bus, and for

0:47:03.640 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 8>some reason, I don't know why, I got disconnected from

0:47:07.719 --> 0:47:10.440
<v Speaker 8>the group, and so I went out. The crowd outside

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:13.919
<v Speaker 8>was crazy. It was in Chicago, and they were throwing teers.

0:47:14.000 --> 0:47:16.200
<v Speaker 8>The police were throwing tear gas, and so I got

0:47:16.280 --> 0:47:19.279
<v Speaker 8>caught up in that. I did our bus and I

0:47:19.440 --> 0:47:21.160
<v Speaker 8>hopped on I got on it, but I did the

0:47:21.400 --> 0:47:25.439
<v Speaker 8>you know, the tear gas thing, and had gotten my eyes.

0:47:25.520 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 8>So that was probably one of the worst experiences I

0:47:28.760 --> 0:47:31.840
<v Speaker 8>had with them, except for the after party at the

0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:35.839
<v Speaker 8>Playboard matching in Chicago, when it took me a long

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:37.839
<v Speaker 8>time to get out of there because I couldn't find

0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:38.200
<v Speaker 8>a dough.

0:47:41.760 --> 0:47:42.880
<v Speaker 4>I love you so much to do.

0:47:43.719 --> 0:47:45.520
<v Speaker 8>I just find the door, girl?

0:47:46.520 --> 0:47:46.879
<v Speaker 1>How long?

0:47:47.840 --> 0:47:49.319
<v Speaker 4>I just I wonder how long you was in there

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.240
<v Speaker 4>trying to find the door, and all the least.

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:55.879
<v Speaker 8>Forty five minutes in the one room. I walked down

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 8>the hall and there was nothing in the room but

0:47:58.600 --> 0:48:00.880
<v Speaker 8>a hole in a pole. So maybe if I go

0:48:00.960 --> 0:48:05.040
<v Speaker 8>down the pole, out the door. So I went down the.

0:48:08.480 --> 0:48:09.560
<v Speaker 1>Sliding down like a poll.

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 7>Listen, I'm trying to be out down means out glass

0:48:14.080 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 7>and slid down the pole.

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:17.080
<v Speaker 8>Yeah. I was trying to get out of there.

0:48:17.080 --> 0:48:19.279
<v Speaker 4>And first of the last time you slid down the pole.

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:22.440
<v Speaker 8>Last first and the last, I said, Lord Jesus, if

0:48:22.480 --> 0:48:23.880
<v Speaker 8>you getting me out of here, you don't have to

0:48:24.080 --> 0:48:26.200
<v Speaker 8>never worry about me coming up in here again.

0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:29.560
<v Speaker 1>And wow, okay, so.

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, wait, wait, wait a minute. I would

0:48:38.480 --> 0:48:41.719
<v Speaker 2>like to get her version of this story now. Uh

0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:46.040
<v Speaker 2>you know your your your fellow? Uh wonder lovey and

0:48:46.480 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Ray Parker Parker Jr. Kind of gave a very ambiguous hint.

0:48:54.040 --> 0:48:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Wouldn't totally confirm it.

0:48:55.480 --> 0:48:58.319
<v Speaker 1>Uh we Also, I mean, this is way before great

0:48:58.400 --> 0:49:02.480
<v Speaker 1>villain gains this time, but I need to ask. Okay,

0:49:02.680 --> 0:49:08.960
<v Speaker 1>So the week that inner Visions gets released. Uh, you

0:49:09.120 --> 0:49:14.239
<v Speaker 1>guys are booked somewhere in North Carolina. Stevie Wonder is

0:49:14.320 --> 0:49:19.080
<v Speaker 1>in an accident. What is your version of what happened?

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:23.080
<v Speaker 8>I believe my cousin. What I remember is that my

0:49:23.200 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 8>cousin John was driving. They were in the car and

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:26.240
<v Speaker 8>John fell asleep.

0:49:27.160 --> 0:49:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Your cousin was the driver.

0:49:29.040 --> 0:49:34.200
<v Speaker 7>I believe John was yeah, oh wow, okay, all these

0:49:34.320 --> 0:49:37.520
<v Speaker 7>q are really tied together this yeah.

0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:43.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, wow, okay. I I wasn't even ready for that.

0:49:43.520 --> 0:49:46.640
<v Speaker 1>I sort of had the feeling that they were trying.

0:49:46.920 --> 0:49:48.719
<v Speaker 2>Ray was trying to allude to me that this is

0:49:48.800 --> 0:49:51.960
<v Speaker 2>one of those moments where Stevie insisted on driving or whatever,

0:49:52.040 --> 0:49:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and so I don't think.

0:49:53.640 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 8>Any was driving. If I remember it correctly, my cousin

0:49:56.520 --> 0:50:00.960
<v Speaker 8>John was driving, and he nodded a fell asleep or

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 8>something like that. That's my recollection of the story. Doesn't

0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:07.000
<v Speaker 8>make it true, but that's what I was I heard,

0:50:07.080 --> 0:50:08.560
<v Speaker 8>and I have always thought.

0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Happened because I was too young to remember it and

0:50:12.480 --> 0:50:16.800
<v Speaker 2>only heard about it in sort of like retrospect. Was

0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:21.719
<v Speaker 2>there were you guys basically like, well, he won't make

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 2>it because I remember it.

0:50:22.680 --> 0:50:25.399
<v Speaker 1>Steevie was in a coma for at least a month

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:25.640
<v Speaker 1>or so.

0:50:25.840 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 8>Correct, I didn't know it was a month or so,

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:31.040
<v Speaker 8>but I know he was badly injured here, he was

0:50:31.120 --> 0:50:32.040
<v Speaker 8>out of it for a while.

0:50:32.920 --> 0:50:35.840
<v Speaker 1>But okay, so in your mind is it like he

0:50:36.000 --> 0:50:38.000
<v Speaker 1>may make it, he may not make it, like what's

0:50:38.120 --> 0:50:40.640
<v Speaker 1>going through the mind of the band, at least in

0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:41.680
<v Speaker 1>terms of we.

0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:43.600
<v Speaker 8>Didn't know exactly if he was going to make it

0:50:43.719 --> 0:50:46.080
<v Speaker 8>or not. You know, we didn't know what was happening

0:50:46.160 --> 0:50:50.839
<v Speaker 8>after that. But you know, you just pray and hope

0:50:50.920 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 8>the best. And then he did come out of it,

0:50:53.960 --> 0:50:56.439
<v Speaker 8>you know, so, And I was grateful for that, even

0:50:57.000 --> 0:50:59.920
<v Speaker 8>for his sake, for John's sake, for feeling so guilty,

0:51:00.320 --> 0:51:04.239
<v Speaker 8>so bad about to carry that load. So for him

0:51:04.320 --> 0:51:07.560
<v Speaker 8>to come out with and it would accomplish the things

0:51:07.600 --> 0:51:12.719
<v Speaker 8>he accomplished really helped the spirit and the heart of John.

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:14.160
<v Speaker 1>All right.

0:51:14.320 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 2>So I also know that you're one of the last

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:25.440
<v Speaker 2>people to work with the great Charles Stephanie, whom you

0:51:25.520 --> 0:51:34.279
<v Speaker 2>know for our QoS listeners, really, I mean, yeah, any

0:51:34.360 --> 0:51:40.360
<v Speaker 2>anything on on Cadet records, the Lewis Ramsey Lewis, the

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:44.759
<v Speaker 2>seventies output of the Dells, you know, even some of

0:51:44.800 --> 0:51:47.280
<v Speaker 2>the blues artists like you know with Muddy Waters record

0:51:47.360 --> 0:51:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and the Electric Mud album and many Rippetons come to

0:51:51.560 --> 0:51:56.200
<v Speaker 2>My Garden album, but you know, most notably his, he's

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 2>the one that really took Earth Wind and Fire and

0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:01.040
<v Speaker 2>was a mentor to Maurice White. So a big part

0:52:01.080 --> 0:52:04.400
<v Speaker 2>of that Earthwind and Fire sound that we're so in

0:52:04.520 --> 0:52:07.560
<v Speaker 2>love with. You know, it's due to the colors that

0:52:08.239 --> 0:52:12.880
<v Speaker 2>Charles Stephanie painted. Knowing nothing about him, really, could you

0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:18.200
<v Speaker 2>describe what Charles Stephanie was in your world and just

0:52:18.280 --> 0:52:20.520
<v Speaker 2>in general for just that whole organization.

0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:25.480
<v Speaker 8>Well, Charles Stephanie, like you said, brought a color and

0:52:25.560 --> 0:52:29.479
<v Speaker 8>a style to Earth Wind and Fire that was really

0:52:29.600 --> 0:52:35.080
<v Speaker 8>the most beautiful collaboration in their music. As far as

0:52:35.160 --> 0:52:38.759
<v Speaker 8>I'm concerned, Charles Stephanie was just brilliant. When I was

0:52:38.840 --> 0:52:41.120
<v Speaker 8>doing a song call on my first project, If you

0:52:41.200 --> 0:52:46.200
<v Speaker 8>Don't Believe, and he just lifted up the top of

0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 8>the piano. He took a guitar pick and just strum

0:52:51.640 --> 0:52:54.839
<v Speaker 8>on the strings. That's what you hear in the very

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:58.239
<v Speaker 8>in the very beginning of If you Don't Believe, He

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:01.040
<v Speaker 8>and Oscar for Schure on trump it and he's just

0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:04.719
<v Speaker 8>taking a guitar pick and strumming on those strings. I

0:53:04.760 --> 0:53:06.960
<v Speaker 8>don't know who else would have thought of that. The

0:53:07.160 --> 0:53:10.920
<v Speaker 8>way he heard my music, the way he heard my voice,

0:53:11.280 --> 0:53:14.480
<v Speaker 8>even the way he heard Minnie Ripperton's voice, and what

0:53:14.600 --> 0:53:18.360
<v Speaker 8>he did with the Rotary Connection and with many, the

0:53:18.480 --> 0:53:22.320
<v Speaker 8>way he you know, Charles Stephanie was just a brilliant

0:53:22.719 --> 0:53:28.040
<v Speaker 8>producer and a ranger. And you can tell how the

0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:31.400
<v Speaker 8>music changed and how he was missed. After Charles passed away,

0:53:32.160 --> 0:53:35.840
<v Speaker 8>the sound of earth Wind and Fire changed. It didn't

0:53:36.120 --> 0:53:38.400
<v Speaker 8>change in a bad way, but it changed in a

0:53:38.560 --> 0:53:42.640
<v Speaker 8>different way. You've now got a whole different sound than

0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:46.000
<v Speaker 8>the sound that Charles Stephanie created with That's the Way

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:49.360
<v Speaker 8>of the World and those you know, those songs. He

0:53:49.800 --> 0:53:53.560
<v Speaker 8>it was that whole flavor, that whole feel, that whole

0:53:53.719 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 8>touch was gone. He was very very, very very powerful

0:53:59.560 --> 0:54:02.240
<v Speaker 8>or played a such a big role in my music,

0:54:02.360 --> 0:54:06.000
<v Speaker 8>the emotions music, earth Wind and virus music. Many were

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:10.840
<v Speaker 8>in the Rotary Connection. There's just nobody like him. I

0:54:10.920 --> 0:54:14.279
<v Speaker 8>know that Marie went with another arranger and he was

0:54:14.560 --> 0:54:17.440
<v Speaker 8>very very good Tom Tom eighty Tom Tom eighty four,

0:54:18.040 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 8>but Tom Tom eighty four and Charles Stephanie had two

0:54:21.320 --> 0:54:25.680
<v Speaker 8>very very different sounds and approaches, And I believe that

0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:27.920
<v Speaker 8>once Charles passed, what you could hear.

0:54:27.800 --> 0:54:34.640
<v Speaker 2>It at the time, are you hoping that perhaps you

0:54:34.719 --> 0:54:39.319
<v Speaker 2>could have your own career as a singer or maybe

0:54:39.400 --> 0:54:41.200
<v Speaker 2>one of Love does a record, because you know, at

0:54:41.200 --> 0:54:47.800
<v Speaker 2>the time Cev's doing the Serta album, he's also working

0:54:47.840 --> 0:54:50.400
<v Speaker 2>with you know, he does stuff with the Supremes, he

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:52.719
<v Speaker 2>does Miracles.

0:54:53.560 --> 0:54:54.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly.

0:54:54.520 --> 0:55:00.280
<v Speaker 2>So for you, what was it about whatever mar east

0:55:00.320 --> 0:55:04.560
<v Speaker 2>White was bringing to the table that made you decide

0:55:04.640 --> 0:55:06.000
<v Speaker 2>to go with that camp?

0:55:07.160 --> 0:55:12.480
<v Speaker 1>And how do you leave the Wonderlove camp? And was

0:55:12.560 --> 0:55:13.960
<v Speaker 1>it amicable?

0:55:15.719 --> 0:55:18.440
<v Speaker 8>I don't think no, it wasn't amicable. I think if

0:55:18.440 --> 0:55:20.880
<v Speaker 8>you asked Ray Parker the same question, he probably said, no,

0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:21.920
<v Speaker 8>that wasn't amicable.

0:55:23.360 --> 0:55:25.399
<v Speaker 1>All right, So walk us through how do you leave

0:55:25.440 --> 0:55:26.040
<v Speaker 1>the situation?

0:55:28.719 --> 0:55:31.799
<v Speaker 8>Well, for three years I was with Steve for three

0:55:32.040 --> 0:55:33.919
<v Speaker 8>three three and a half years, and for three years

0:55:34.000 --> 0:55:36.880
<v Speaker 8>he promised to do a project on Wonderlove and it

0:55:37.040 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 8>never happened. We would be in the studio writing and

0:55:41.160 --> 0:55:45.000
<v Speaker 8>you know, rehearsing, and he never would record us. It

0:55:45.120 --> 0:55:48.719
<v Speaker 8>was always one excuse after the other for him not

0:55:48.840 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 8>to record us. Like you said, he was working with

0:55:50.800 --> 0:55:55.360
<v Speaker 8>other artists, other artists you know that had careers already.

0:55:55.400 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 8>He did something with the Jackson five, you know, you know,

0:55:59.400 --> 0:56:02.160
<v Speaker 8>he he was working with other artists, but when it

0:56:02.239 --> 0:56:06.960
<v Speaker 8>came to Wonderlove, he wasn't doing anything. And finally we

0:56:07.200 --> 0:56:11.279
<v Speaker 8>had a discussion about it, and he got, you know,

0:56:11.640 --> 0:56:14.960
<v Speaker 8>upset that I chose to confront him on this issue,

0:56:15.600 --> 0:56:20.760
<v Speaker 8>and so I said, okay, I'm done. So what happened

0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 8>is one night when Wonderlove was performing, we would always

0:56:24.080 --> 0:56:26.880
<v Speaker 8>perform one of our songs, and so this one night,

0:56:26.960 --> 0:56:29.799
<v Speaker 8>they said, let's do Denise's song Free, you know, which

0:56:29.840 --> 0:56:32.360
<v Speaker 8>I had written when I was with Susse Green and

0:56:33.320 --> 0:56:36.000
<v Speaker 8>Nathan Watson when we were in Wonderlove, which was one

0:56:36.040 --> 0:56:39.200
<v Speaker 8>of the songs that we were hoping to record us Wonderlove.

0:56:39.719 --> 0:56:42.200
<v Speaker 8>And that night they said, we were you know, let's

0:56:42.239 --> 0:56:45.840
<v Speaker 8>do Denise's songs. So I sang Free that night. But

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.000
<v Speaker 8>what I didn't know is Maury's White, Philip Bailey Verding White,

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:52.000
<v Speaker 8>and their attorney was sitting on the front row. I

0:56:52.200 --> 0:56:56.319
<v Speaker 8>heard me singing Free. So then the attorney came backstage

0:56:56.640 --> 0:56:59.239
<v Speaker 8>and he said, oh, we loved your performers who wrote

0:56:59.280 --> 0:57:01.359
<v Speaker 8>that song song is that, I said, Well, I wrote

0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:04.359
<v Speaker 8>it with a couple of people in the band, I said,

0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:06.719
<v Speaker 8>but I got other songs too, and Philip can sing

0:57:06.800 --> 0:57:11.040
<v Speaker 8>them because we got a same register. So that's how

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:14.239
<v Speaker 8>it happened that Maurice White, Maurice and those guys heard

0:57:14.320 --> 0:57:17.080
<v Speaker 8>me sing, and that's you know, that's how I got

0:57:17.200 --> 0:57:19.880
<v Speaker 8>introduced to them. It was while I was with Stevie.

0:57:20.400 --> 0:57:23.680
<v Speaker 8>So I think another six seven months went by and

0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:27.840
<v Speaker 8>Steve still wasn't doing anything. So I left and I

0:57:28.000 --> 0:57:33.800
<v Speaker 8>left him and I got That's when I joined ROBERTA

0:57:33.840 --> 0:57:36.800
<v Speaker 8>Flack with Lonnie Groves and Patty Austin. And while I

0:57:36.880 --> 0:57:39.120
<v Speaker 8>was doing ROBERTA Flack, I got a call saying that

0:57:39.280 --> 0:57:42.320
<v Speaker 8>Maurice wanted to meet with me, and I, you know,

0:57:42.480 --> 0:57:45.680
<v Speaker 8>I had a meeting with them, and the seven songs

0:57:45.720 --> 0:57:48.240
<v Speaker 8>that I sent hoping that Earth went at fire would

0:57:48.280 --> 0:57:51.440
<v Speaker 8>cover them, and Philip was singing is the seven songs

0:57:51.480 --> 0:57:54.800
<v Speaker 8>that Maurice wanted. Decided to do my first project on.

0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:58.919
<v Speaker 8>So that's how that happened. You know, I just got,

0:57:59.160 --> 0:58:01.640
<v Speaker 8>you know, a little tired of waiting on Steve to

0:58:01.880 --> 0:58:04.560
<v Speaker 8>do what he kept telling us he would do it,

0:58:04.640 --> 0:58:07.480
<v Speaker 8>and like even like six months after I'd been there,

0:58:07.920 --> 0:58:11.120
<v Speaker 8>and he you know, he wasn't doing it. He did,

0:58:11.200 --> 0:58:19.160
<v Speaker 8>he did many rippertendse perf I was on you know,

0:58:19.400 --> 0:58:23.800
<v Speaker 8>Minni's album of the Perfect Angel album, and he was

0:58:23.880 --> 0:58:27.080
<v Speaker 8>doing all this stuff with other people. And I understand that,

0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:30.120
<v Speaker 8>you know, they had record deals, they had money to

0:58:30.240 --> 0:58:33.440
<v Speaker 8>pay him for his production. I understood that, but I

0:58:33.520 --> 0:58:35.919
<v Speaker 8>felt like, you could, we could at least record one

0:58:36.080 --> 0:58:40.280
<v Speaker 8>song every other month or something to start a project together.

0:58:40.880 --> 0:58:43.960
<v Speaker 8>And he was just really lax and doing that, and

0:58:45.320 --> 0:58:48.240
<v Speaker 8>you know, I said no, And especially when you know,

0:58:48.320 --> 0:58:51.120
<v Speaker 8>I made great money with ROBERTA. Flack and I will

0:58:51.160 --> 0:58:54.520
<v Speaker 8>always be grateful to her because wonder love the girls.

0:58:54.600 --> 0:58:56.720
<v Speaker 8>You know, we traveled with the band on the bus

0:58:56.880 --> 0:58:59.880
<v Speaker 8>when we were singing with ROBERTA. Flat She said no, no, no,

0:59:00.080 --> 0:59:03.800
<v Speaker 8>you're riding the limousine with me, and it was a

0:59:03.880 --> 0:59:07.320
<v Speaker 8>whole different treatment. She taught me a lot about how

0:59:07.400 --> 0:59:10.400
<v Speaker 8>to treat the people that you're on the stage with. That.

0:59:10.680 --> 0:59:14.720
<v Speaker 8>You know, that is always carried with me, because, like

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:16.480
<v Speaker 8>I said, the ladies, we were on the bus with

0:59:16.560 --> 0:59:18.480
<v Speaker 8>the band and the equipment and stuff, and with her

0:59:18.640 --> 0:59:21.560
<v Speaker 8>we were riding the limousine and then you know, Mari's

0:59:22.040 --> 0:59:25.680
<v Speaker 8>reached out. We had a meeting and I ended up

0:59:25.720 --> 0:59:26.320
<v Speaker 8>recording with.

0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Him songs in the key Life isn't even created yet.

0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Was there a slight regret? Not regret, but you know,

0:59:37.520 --> 0:59:39.240
<v Speaker 2>songs in the Key of Life comes out, and of

0:59:39.320 --> 0:59:44.480
<v Speaker 2>course this is Stevie's magnum opus. Like even at that

0:59:44.640 --> 0:59:49.360
<v Speaker 2>time period, did you have any sort of worries of trepidation, like, ah,

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:52.720
<v Speaker 2>we might have jumped the ship too early because this

0:59:52.920 --> 0:59:54.960
<v Speaker 2>is a project that sets them off in the stratosphere.

0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.640
<v Speaker 2>Or was it just like, Okay, I'm out here on

0:59:57.760 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 2>my own, let's just no regrets, let's go for it.

1:00:01.760 --> 1:00:03.720
<v Speaker 8>I wasn't on my own. I was with Earth Wind

1:00:03.720 --> 1:00:08.000
<v Speaker 8>and Fire Well, and I was roberta Flack to you know,

1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:13.400
<v Speaker 8>two groups who I respected, that's being who were interested

1:00:13.440 --> 1:00:17.280
<v Speaker 8>in working with me, you know, so I did not

1:00:17.400 --> 1:00:19.560
<v Speaker 8>feel like I was on my own. I was very

1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:23.000
<v Speaker 8>happy for him, and I was more happy to be

1:00:23.560 --> 1:00:25.040
<v Speaker 8>a part of that whole situation.

1:00:25.200 --> 1:00:27.440
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I have oh oh, we can see the

1:00:27.720 --> 1:00:28.560
<v Speaker 3>hardware in the back.

1:00:28.840 --> 1:00:29.280
<v Speaker 1>I love it.

1:00:29.720 --> 1:00:32.960
<v Speaker 8>I up here somewhere because he gave me a plaque,

1:00:33.080 --> 1:00:37.640
<v Speaker 8>you know, for being on the being on the project.

1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:40.600
<v Speaker 8>But in my heart and in my spirit, I felt

1:00:40.600 --> 1:00:43.600
<v Speaker 8>it was time to go. I did not feel that

1:00:44.400 --> 1:00:47.000
<v Speaker 8>there was any room to grow. I just felt like,

1:00:48.120 --> 1:00:49.880
<v Speaker 8>you know, we're going to be here for the next

1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:54.040
<v Speaker 8>twenty years. In fact, he has a band member that

1:00:54.160 --> 1:00:56.160
<v Speaker 8>I was in a band with, Nathan Watson, is still

1:00:56.200 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 8>there and it's been thirty five years.

1:00:58.440 --> 1:01:00.840
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, Nathan is still his bass player.

1:01:01.080 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 8>He's still with them, And that could have been you know,

1:01:03.800 --> 1:01:06.760
<v Speaker 8>any of us if we had decided to stay and

1:01:06.920 --> 1:01:08.919
<v Speaker 8>I had babies and feed, I had mouths to feed.

1:01:08.960 --> 1:01:10.440
<v Speaker 8>I didn't have time to be sitting there.

1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:12.800
<v Speaker 7>Those job lessons right there? Are you supposed to give

1:01:12.840 --> 1:01:14.360
<v Speaker 7>it what two three years? And if you know it

1:01:14.400 --> 1:01:16.400
<v Speaker 7>ain't no movement, then you got on.

1:01:16.480 --> 1:01:19.240
<v Speaker 8>That third year. It finally dawned on me this this

1:01:19.400 --> 1:01:22.120
<v Speaker 8>could gone for a while and I really didn't want

1:01:22.200 --> 1:01:26.680
<v Speaker 8>to to be there another three years or so years

1:01:27.320 --> 1:01:31.160
<v Speaker 8>and he's still not do you know for wonder love

1:01:31.320 --> 1:01:33.400
<v Speaker 8>what he was doing for other people, But like I say,

1:01:33.480 --> 1:01:36.600
<v Speaker 8>you know, looking at it, you know he was being

1:01:36.680 --> 1:01:39.760
<v Speaker 8>paid to produce. They had record labels, they had budgets,

1:01:40.200 --> 1:01:42.120
<v Speaker 8>and you know he would have to do for us,

1:01:42.200 --> 1:01:46.000
<v Speaker 8>So no, I didn't feel alone. I mean, especially when

1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:48.440
<v Speaker 8>I jumped over there with earth Wind and Fire, there

1:01:48.560 --> 1:01:50.840
<v Speaker 8>was no way to fill alone. And of course Philip

1:01:50.840 --> 1:01:54.320
<v Speaker 8>Bailey and I became very very very close friends, you

1:01:54.400 --> 1:01:56.240
<v Speaker 8>know during that time. That was my buddy.

1:01:56.920 --> 1:02:00.840
<v Speaker 2>So were you opening for them at the time when

1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:04.960
<v Speaker 2>you went to their camp, I was the opening act.

1:02:05.280 --> 1:02:08.200
<v Speaker 8>I would trade off with the Emotions. I would, you know,

1:02:08.360 --> 1:02:10.200
<v Speaker 8>do a couple of the tours and then the Emotion

1:02:10.360 --> 1:02:13.000
<v Speaker 8>came on and then they had both of us as

1:02:13.160 --> 1:02:14.920
<v Speaker 8>opening acts for Earth Wind Fire.

1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:18.480
<v Speaker 2>So what did it feel like the first time in

1:02:18.600 --> 1:02:23.000
<v Speaker 2>which you're in charge now where you're the artist and

1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:27.000
<v Speaker 2>you have a band and all these things, Like was

1:02:27.040 --> 1:02:29.880
<v Speaker 2>it weird now having to have the heavy lifting and

1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:34.520
<v Speaker 2>decisions be up to you as opposed to getting an

1:02:34.560 --> 1:02:36.600
<v Speaker 2>itinerary and see like what the thing is?

1:02:36.760 --> 1:02:39.439
<v Speaker 1>And how did that feel for you? Like that first

1:02:40.280 --> 1:02:42.439
<v Speaker 1>few months, it was very.

1:02:42.440 --> 1:02:45.760
<v Speaker 8>Scared, you know, because I've been in the background and

1:02:45.920 --> 1:02:48.640
<v Speaker 8>now I was in the forefront and they were literally

1:02:48.800 --> 1:02:50.720
<v Speaker 8>pushing me out on stage. I didn't want to go.

1:02:50.800 --> 1:02:56.040
<v Speaker 8>I was backstage and they were talking calling my name,

1:02:56.080 --> 1:02:57.520
<v Speaker 8>and I said, I don't think I can do this.

1:02:57.680 --> 1:02:58.920
<v Speaker 8>I don't want to do this. I don't think I

1:02:59.040 --> 1:03:01.760
<v Speaker 8>can do this, and maybe back there you gotta do it.

1:03:01.920 --> 1:03:05.880
<v Speaker 8>Push you know, I went out there. I mean it

1:03:06.040 --> 1:03:08.160
<v Speaker 8>was like maybe three or four years before I feel

1:03:08.240 --> 1:03:12.640
<v Speaker 8>comfortable going out there, you know. But you know, it's

1:03:12.760 --> 1:03:15.920
<v Speaker 8>very different, like you said, when you're you know, somebody

1:03:16.040 --> 1:03:19.280
<v Speaker 8>is taking care of everything, booking your hotels, booking your flights,

1:03:19.360 --> 1:03:22.520
<v Speaker 8>you know, everything is going through you know, somebody else,

1:03:22.520 --> 1:03:25.120
<v Speaker 8>and then all of a sudden, you've got to do this.

1:03:25.320 --> 1:03:27.400
<v Speaker 8>So you have people that are doing it, but still

1:03:28.000 --> 1:03:30.400
<v Speaker 8>you're you know, you're the head person that you've got

1:03:30.480 --> 1:03:33.200
<v Speaker 8>to talk them through us. So it was very frightening,

1:03:33.600 --> 1:03:37.160
<v Speaker 8>you know, for a while, and very frightening because one

1:03:37.200 --> 1:03:41.200
<v Speaker 8>of my first tours as a solo artist was with

1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:43.400
<v Speaker 8>the Ohio Players, them crazy folks.

1:03:43.440 --> 1:03:48.520
<v Speaker 3>So wow, you sugarfoot with Sugarfoot, what.

1:03:48.600 --> 1:03:48.960
<v Speaker 1>Was that like?

1:03:50.880 --> 1:03:54.480
<v Speaker 8>I would say, okay, Jesus, okay, Jesus. I mean the

1:03:54.680 --> 1:04:00.880
<v Speaker 8>boys was nuts one night and shook my hand and

1:04:01.040 --> 1:04:05.040
<v Speaker 8>put his hotel room key in my hand and say,

1:04:05.240 --> 1:04:07.440
<v Speaker 8>you know, I want to see you at midnight. So

1:04:07.600 --> 1:04:12.280
<v Speaker 8>I ran to my road man, not him, but one

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<v Speaker 8>of the mothers and which one it was it.

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<v Speaker 1>Was a player, was a player players preaching?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, he put his letner and I would run to

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<v Speaker 8>my road manager, who was Leonard Smith, who was the

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<v Speaker 8>big six foot eight guy in the show with Earth.

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<v Speaker 8>When fire to hit the gong? Uh out there on

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<v Speaker 8>the road with me, I said, Leonard. He said, don't

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<v Speaker 8>worry about it, give me the key. D fool me

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<v Speaker 8>after that at all?

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<v Speaker 1>That was it.

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<v Speaker 2>He showed up.

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<v Speaker 8>I got your right here.

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<v Speaker 1>That was.

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<v Speaker 8>But the thing about the tour with them was is

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<v Speaker 8>that they had about thirty grand worth of lights and

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<v Speaker 8>special lighting and stuff, and so the all of the

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<v Speaker 8>light guys, all the the little you know, all the

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<v Speaker 8>little roadies, they just loved me. So they said one

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<v Speaker 8>night they said, you know, we don't use half of

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<v Speaker 8>what we have, so we've been using it on you.

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<v Speaker 8>I said, oh, you know, I was the open id

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<v Speaker 8>been using it on you. And then as I was

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<v Speaker 8>out there with them, free kept climbing up the charts,

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<v Speaker 8>and so they got mad at me.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you was showing them up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because there yeah, after yeah, it was your turn,

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<v Speaker 1>just so you know, going up the charts.

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<v Speaker 8>And they were just doing all they loved, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>spending the thirty grand of light. They said, they're not

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<v Speaker 8>using half of what we got, so we didn't using

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<v Speaker 8>them on you.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, thank you, Wow, love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, my favorite album of yours was your your sophomore album,

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<v Speaker 2>Song for That. I believe that the single from that

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<v Speaker 2>record is baby My Love's All for You.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind, I always thought that was like a massive,

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<v Speaker 2>big hit. But what happened for that period in Songbird

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<v Speaker 2>for You that didn't happen for the debut record, because

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<v Speaker 2>I thought that album was bigger. It was my favorite,

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<v Speaker 2>so I thought it was bigger. But can you talk

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<v Speaker 2>to me about what happened there?

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<v Speaker 8>I think that the main thing that happened there is

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<v Speaker 8>that Charles Stephanie passed away and the sound changed.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Murray was.

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<v Speaker 8>Turning down original material that I had written to bring

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<v Speaker 8>in outside material. So I think that that was two

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<v Speaker 8>of the biggest problems with the project is that he

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<v Speaker 8>no longer wanted to hear my personal expression and he

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<v Speaker 8>brought another people to write, and that Charles Stephanie had

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<v Speaker 8>passed away and we were now dealing with Tom Tom

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<v Speaker 8>eighty for eighty eight, And those were the things that

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<v Speaker 8>I think and I think so like, wait a minute,

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<v Speaker 8>we heard this and now you're doing this, and we

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<v Speaker 8>needed another project like this is NISSI to solidify who

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<v Speaker 8>was And yet Maurice uh not, you know, not anything

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<v Speaker 8>due to him, but it changed up and people were

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<v Speaker 8>scrambling to find out, well, who is she really, you know,

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<v Speaker 8>because this is not what we heard the first time around.

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<v Speaker 8>And then I was also fighting with Sony, I mean

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<v Speaker 8>Columbia case I did, God is truly amazing, and they

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<v Speaker 8>were saying, we're not paying her to sing gospel stuff?

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<v Speaker 8>What is this God of amazing stuff?

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<v Speaker 1>You know?

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<v Speaker 8>And they were mad with me. I said, listen, if

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<v Speaker 8>we got ten songs on a project, I'm gonna give

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<v Speaker 8>him one. Get over it. And so we fought the

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<v Speaker 8>next couple of years about me doing gospel music on

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<v Speaker 8>my secular project. So that was going on to they

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<v Speaker 8>were mad and.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this the walk yet in the call period of

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<v Speaker 1>Columbia or it.

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<v Speaker 8>Was Walter and those guys, Yeah, very nice to me though,

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<v Speaker 8>I you know, I would go in there and saying,

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<v Speaker 8>what I need another couple of hundred grand what are

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<v Speaker 8>you in here? But he would give it to me.

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<v Speaker 8>So anyway, that was the bottom line. I didn't care

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<v Speaker 8>how much he fussed. Go call Marvin down there and

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<v Speaker 8>legal and send me my money. Baby needs shoes. And

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<v Speaker 8>he always gave me the money, so you know, and

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<v Speaker 8>no feels, no nothing, you know, get back up, just

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<v Speaker 8>write the check now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, oh heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was still. That was prevalent. That was prevalent

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<v Speaker 1>just throughout.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh yeah, I love walking in the coffee. Was very

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<v Speaker 8>very good to me. Bruce Lunvall started and then Walter.

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<v Speaker 8>They were always very very good to me, uh and

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<v Speaker 8>very respectful. And I will say, you know, I'm praying

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<v Speaker 8>for you.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>So they said, oh, oh, there she go, but they

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<v Speaker 8>were very not happy with me. Would do it the

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<v Speaker 8>gospel stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>That's crazy because I of you know, of all your songs.

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<v Speaker 1>I definitely remember that.

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<v Speaker 2>That made a impression on my household, like God is

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<v Speaker 2>really amazing and all those things.

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<v Speaker 7>And that's the thing now for R and B singers

1:09:13.920 --> 1:09:16.640
<v Speaker 7>to do to prove themselves on records now, putting the

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<v Speaker 7>gospel record on it at a gospel jam last did.

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<v Speaker 2>You feel the need to do that to sort of

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<v Speaker 2>send a smoke signal back home to Gary, Indiana, to

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<v Speaker 2>the church.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I did it because of my love for

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<v Speaker 8>Father Son and Holy Ghost. I did it for me.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't do it for them, and at that time,

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't really care about their opinion. But that's you know.

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<v Speaker 8>I was raised in the church, and I felt like

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<v Speaker 8>if people were going to have a total overview of

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<v Speaker 8>me as an artist, I would have to do some

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<v Speaker 8>gospel because that was a part of who I was.

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<v Speaker 8>And so that's why I did it, you know. I

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<v Speaker 8>did it for me and to make a statement to

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<v Speaker 8>God that you know, I'm I'm really grateful for what

1:10:01.200 --> 1:10:03.680
<v Speaker 8>you're allowing to happen in my life. And so I'm

1:10:03.760 --> 1:10:07.600
<v Speaker 8>giving you this. You know, I'm dedicating this portion to you.

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<v Speaker 2>But eventually you do return to Gary, Indiana. What is

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<v Speaker 2>the response now that you're an established artist?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh?

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<v Speaker 8>Very different? And now I'm okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Now you know church people, well, no, no, I met

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<v Speaker 2>back in seventy seven, seventy six, seventy seven.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, they're still acting a little funny, you know, because

1:10:29.120 --> 1:10:32.040
<v Speaker 8>they still don't support or agree with what I'm doing.

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<v Speaker 8>But it was funny. I came back around that time

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<v Speaker 8>and I attended church with my two sons, and my

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<v Speaker 8>uncle decided to preach a whole sermon and to church

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<v Speaker 8>that Sunday on how I was going to hell because

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<v Speaker 8>I had on makeup and beinging out polish and so

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<v Speaker 8>and my children were there. So I got up and

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<v Speaker 8>I came back, and you know, I was crying. I

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<v Speaker 8>told my mother about it. So my mother wrote a

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<v Speaker 8>letter to them, said, I heard what you guys did

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<v Speaker 8>with my daughter, and this is what I want to tell.

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<v Speaker 8>I heard you've been born burning up the mortgage papers

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<v Speaker 8>because you done paid off the church. My daughter paid

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<v Speaker 8>for that church. I want her money back with interest

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<v Speaker 8>or I shut the hell up.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh you what you did?

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<v Speaker 8>The next time I went to church, my uncle said, Amen,

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<v Speaker 8>sister Denise is here.

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<v Speaker 3>Switched that tune up quick.

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<v Speaker 8>For you them off. She said, I want her money

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<v Speaker 8>back with interest. You over that burning the martgage paper

1:11:36.400 --> 1:11:38.840
<v Speaker 8>and we know how you burning them. That's the tie

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<v Speaker 8>she's been sent money.

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<v Speaker 4>I said that. I didn't I say it, y'all, didn't

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<v Speaker 4>I say?

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<v Speaker 8>She said, I want the money back with aw shut

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<v Speaker 8>the hell up, and did another word.

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<v Speaker 2>Your first number one single comes a year later in

1:12:01.840 --> 1:12:06.240
<v Speaker 2>probably the most unusual way, But this song was inescapable.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was a kid, Could you talk about the

1:12:10.240 --> 1:12:16.400
<v Speaker 2>decision to pair up with Johnny Mathis and we do, well,

1:12:16.520 --> 1:12:19.799
<v Speaker 2>just what that whole experience is like, and the irony

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<v Speaker 2>that the second to last song on that record, in

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<v Speaker 2>my opinion, winds up being even more popular than Too Much,

1:12:28.160 --> 1:12:31.240
<v Speaker 2>Too Little, Too Late, which is of course the theme

1:12:31.320 --> 1:12:33.120
<v Speaker 2>the family ties Without Us.

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<v Speaker 1>Could you talk about that whole experience in doing that record, Well.

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<v Speaker 8>It was wonderful. I was on the road opening up

1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:41.920
<v Speaker 8>of Earth When a Fire, but I got a call

1:12:42.040 --> 1:12:44.759
<v Speaker 8>from my manager and he was saying, you know, Johnny's

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<v Speaker 8>considering doing a duet and your name has come up.

1:12:48.040 --> 1:12:49.519
<v Speaker 8>What do you think. I said, Oh my god, I

1:12:49.560 --> 1:12:51.760
<v Speaker 8>would love to sing with him. I didn't you know,

1:12:51.960 --> 1:12:54.840
<v Speaker 8>looking and singing along with him on television all these years.

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<v Speaker 8>I would love to do that. And so you know,

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<v Speaker 8>they said, okay, Denise is willing to do it. Because

1:13:01.160 --> 1:13:04.639
<v Speaker 8>they first went to my other the artists on the label.

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<v Speaker 8>They went to Barbara Streissan and she said no, thank

1:13:07.600 --> 1:13:10.960
<v Speaker 8>you God, yeah, she said no. So then they came

1:13:11.080 --> 1:13:14.120
<v Speaker 8>to me, you know, the second strongest female artists on

1:13:14.240 --> 1:13:17.800
<v Speaker 8>the label. Yeah. So it was funny. So when I

1:13:17.920 --> 1:13:19.960
<v Speaker 8>told my mother I was going to see with Johnny Matthews.

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<v Speaker 8>She don't ooh girl, I gotta get my nails done.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to walk.

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<v Speaker 8>And oh yeah, I said, Mom, I'm not taking you

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<v Speaker 8>up in there because you know, I know she was

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<v Speaker 8>gonna be buck wow. We won't go get no work

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<v Speaker 8>done because she did that to me with Marvin gay.

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<v Speaker 1>So you just.

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<v Speaker 8>Go back, go back and will I'll introduce you to

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<v Speaker 8>Johnny later. And I did you know, Wait, that's two stories,

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<v Speaker 8>good bit.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait what happened?

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<v Speaker 8>Well, Marvin Gaye's brother was performing at a club called

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<v Speaker 8>the Troubadour, and I wanted to see him, so we

1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:02.559
<v Speaker 8>went down. I took my mom at the Trooper door

1:14:02.560 --> 1:14:05.680
<v Speaker 8>and we went down to see Frankie singing. And so

1:14:05.840 --> 1:14:08.000
<v Speaker 8>what happens is we sitting in our seats, but then

1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:11.120
<v Speaker 8>here come Marvin. He come walking in there, and my

1:14:11.280 --> 1:14:18.479
<v Speaker 8>mom was went off, Oh distant, lover, oh love, oh honey,

1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:20.880
<v Speaker 8>and she just went off with marvat.

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<v Speaker 11>Gay and I looked at her like, excuse me, Johnny

1:14:26.360 --> 1:14:28.840
<v Speaker 11>rode around. I wasn't taking no chances, right.

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<v Speaker 8>You don't meet him later, but you are not going

1:14:32.000 --> 1:14:34.080
<v Speaker 8>to the studio. She didn't talk to me for a

1:14:34.160 --> 1:14:35.760
<v Speaker 8>day or two, but she met him and it was

1:14:35.840 --> 1:14:40.479
<v Speaker 8>all cold, best daughter ever.

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<v Speaker 2>So in recording that record though, and especially with the

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<v Speaker 2>song like too much, too Little, too Late, which okay, yes,

1:14:49.240 --> 1:14:55.599
<v Speaker 2>you you're not the ilk of a tenor baritone gospel singer,

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<v Speaker 2>you know of of the Mahelia Aretha.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>First of all, you're you're a soprano. So even with

1:15:04.080 --> 1:15:08.160
<v Speaker 2>your the voice that you have, what is your active range? Like,

1:15:08.360 --> 1:15:10.640
<v Speaker 2>are you able to also sing low as well? And

1:15:10.760 --> 1:15:14.000
<v Speaker 2>you just chose to sing singing your upper register?

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<v Speaker 8>Or I think I have a really nice low register

1:15:17.720 --> 1:15:22.000
<v Speaker 8>that most people have not heard. But for some reason,

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<v Speaker 8>when I was writing, I was just writing in those registers.

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<v Speaker 8>So that's, you know, that's what I did. I never

1:15:27.280 --> 1:15:32.920
<v Speaker 8>did write in the lower register or thinking the lower register. Now,

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<v Speaker 8>A lot of what you hear me do is my mom.

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<v Speaker 8>I used to you know, my mom was singing the

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<v Speaker 8>shower and I'd be standing outside of the shower listening

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<v Speaker 8>to her, and you know, all that stuff she did.

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<v Speaker 8>You know, I got that from my You know, I

1:15:44.479 --> 1:15:49.160
<v Speaker 8>got that from my mom. Choose to do so I

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<v Speaker 8>think a lot of what you hear is me mimicking

1:15:51.760 --> 1:15:54.360
<v Speaker 8>her as she did not, you know, sing I didn't

1:15:54.360 --> 1:15:57.560
<v Speaker 8>hear her a lot in the law register, but I

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<v Speaker 8>do have a really nice uh I'm lower registered.

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<v Speaker 2>So that said, because you know, if I were of

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<v Speaker 2>age of them, I wouldn't have been able to call

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<v Speaker 2>that particular do what simply because I don't know Johnny

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<v Speaker 2>as a belter or an ad lipper and that sort

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<v Speaker 2>of thing. And of course, you know, when you get

1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:24.240
<v Speaker 2>to the end of that song, I mean, you're just

1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:29.560
<v Speaker 2>you're singing. You're not singing circles around him, but you

1:16:29.640 --> 1:16:33.000
<v Speaker 2>know the way that your ad libs are, You're just

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's it's near Jordan levels of display, Like

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<v Speaker 2>he's the sort of like I'm not trying to compare

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<v Speaker 2>to Appen and Costello, like there's the straight man and

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<v Speaker 2>then there's the punchline person.

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<v Speaker 4>But Seinfeld and you know everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you guys, Do you guys discuss how you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to do this? Are you singing together at the same time?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like I'll sing my part first and then

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<v Speaker 2>you come and at your parts later, and then I'll

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<v Speaker 2>read like for that album, are you singing is it

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<v Speaker 2>together in person?

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<v Speaker 1>Or how do you handle that? Well?

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<v Speaker 8>We would listen to the song and the song would

1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:14.120
<v Speaker 8>go down, and then John felt comfortable with me telling

1:17:14.240 --> 1:17:16.760
<v Speaker 8>him a little bit of how to sing because he said,

1:17:16.760 --> 1:17:19.080
<v Speaker 8>I've never sang with anybody before, and you sing with

1:17:19.560 --> 1:17:22.680
<v Speaker 8>Stevie and Roberta, so you know, you know those kind

1:17:22.680 --> 1:17:25.439
<v Speaker 8>of nuances. So basically we would run the song down

1:17:25.479 --> 1:17:27.720
<v Speaker 8>and I say, I'm gonna sing this. You know, I'll

1:17:27.760 --> 1:17:31.120
<v Speaker 8>sing this line and you sing that line. So basically

1:17:31.320 --> 1:17:33.880
<v Speaker 8>he was the straight person and I would just kind of,

1:17:34.680 --> 1:17:37.080
<v Speaker 8>you know, go around what he was doing and try

1:17:37.120 --> 1:17:41.519
<v Speaker 8>to add some more color to it. And it was

1:17:41.640 --> 1:17:45.280
<v Speaker 8>fun because when we did that, we complimented each other.

1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:49.280
<v Speaker 8>We are running all over each other or not doing

1:17:49.360 --> 1:17:51.880
<v Speaker 8>anything exciting, We just you know, it kind of worked

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<v Speaker 8>out like that for me to do more of the

1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:56.080
<v Speaker 8>coloring than due he drew.

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<v Speaker 4>He was the lines and you kind of color.

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<v Speaker 2>That's with the massive success of that song. Was there

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<v Speaker 2>never a discussion to have a follow up record as well?

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<v Speaker 8>No, well, you know, we wanted to do stuff, but

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<v Speaker 8>really his managers were really scared of me because you know,

1:18:18.400 --> 1:18:21.200
<v Speaker 8>I'm I'm a black woman, and I'm telling what to

1:18:21.360 --> 1:18:24.720
<v Speaker 8>do and he started listening, and so I think that

1:18:24.840 --> 1:18:28.439
<v Speaker 8>they came a conclusion we need to get her on

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<v Speaker 8>out of there.

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<v Speaker 1>So they did, seriously, there's just one and done.

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<v Speaker 8>Well because Johnny you know, started really listening to me

1:18:38.680 --> 1:18:42.600
<v Speaker 8>and I'm a strong independent woman and that's not hisality.

1:18:43.160 --> 1:18:46.880
<v Speaker 8>And so after you know, talking with him and hanging

1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:50.439
<v Speaker 8>out with him a couple of times, they said, she's

1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:52.720
<v Speaker 8>a little bit too much of an influence over him.

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<v Speaker 2>So now so the thing is is that I can't

1:18:59.040 --> 1:19:00.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, Philip talked to about it a little bit,

1:19:01.000 --> 1:19:03.920
<v Speaker 2>but you know, he didn't really go into it. But

1:19:04.760 --> 1:19:07.800
<v Speaker 2>of course, like the second big producer that comes into

1:19:07.840 --> 1:19:13.000
<v Speaker 2>their Earth Wind Fire stratosphere is David Foster. And you know,

1:19:13.160 --> 1:19:17.040
<v Speaker 2>like our listeners know that David you know, did like

1:19:17.160 --> 1:19:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Wildflower everything everything. Yeah, I mean well, I mean but

1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.439
<v Speaker 2>mostly just as a soul guy, like did like New

1:19:23.520 --> 1:19:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Birth and all that stuff. And of course, even even

1:19:28.120 --> 1:19:31.360
<v Speaker 2>though Earth Wind and Fire was able to coast to

1:19:31.640 --> 1:19:34.200
<v Speaker 2>a fine level with the all in all record with

1:19:34.360 --> 1:19:37.759
<v Speaker 2>Marius at the Helm, of course David Foster comes aboard.

1:19:38.600 --> 1:19:40.880
<v Speaker 2>And it's always been controversial with David Foster. I think

1:19:40.920 --> 1:19:43.960
<v Speaker 2>in real time people were sort of grumbling about David

1:19:44.040 --> 1:19:47.840
<v Speaker 2>Foster's production. And of course now the decades.

1:19:47.479 --> 1:19:50.040
<v Speaker 1>Have gone by. Everyone's like, oh, I always loved After

1:19:50.080 --> 1:19:52.320
<v Speaker 1>the Love Is Gone and all those things. But I

1:19:52.520 --> 1:19:53.880
<v Speaker 1>know that Foster.

1:19:55.000 --> 1:19:59.720
<v Speaker 2>Worked on, uh, the when Love Comes Calling record, and

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm not certain what the chart position was of

1:20:05.400 --> 1:20:08.160
<v Speaker 2>I got the next dance. I remember hearing a lot

1:20:09.160 --> 1:20:13.160
<v Speaker 2>on black radio in Philadelphia. What was your experience or

1:20:13.520 --> 1:20:16.160
<v Speaker 2>your feeling about the Wind Love Comes Calling record? Because

1:20:16.920 --> 1:20:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I knew that sounded very radically different, yeah, than the

1:20:21.240 --> 1:20:24.880
<v Speaker 2>first two albums produced by Maurice and Maurice and Charles.

1:20:25.160 --> 1:20:29.800
<v Speaker 1>But for Wind Love Comes Calling, who decided to really

1:20:30.439 --> 1:20:31.000
<v Speaker 1>change it up?

1:20:31.920 --> 1:20:34.960
<v Speaker 8>Well, Maurice was working with David and so then they said,

1:20:35.000 --> 1:20:37.439
<v Speaker 8>well let's put Denise with David. But it was not

1:20:37.600 --> 1:20:41.679
<v Speaker 8>a good pairing for me and David to work together.

1:20:42.320 --> 1:20:46.599
<v Speaker 8>First of all, he was very condescending, you know, producer

1:20:46.680 --> 1:20:50.120
<v Speaker 8>to artists, and he, you know, says something to me

1:20:50.280 --> 1:20:52.800
<v Speaker 8>one day and I took the headphones off and I

1:20:52.880 --> 1:20:55.720
<v Speaker 8>came in. I said, you know what, we will not

1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:58.640
<v Speaker 8>work together if you do that again. I said, I

1:20:58.680 --> 1:21:00.760
<v Speaker 8>don't even want to go there. I said, you will

1:21:00.840 --> 1:21:02.320
<v Speaker 8>not try that with me. I don't know who you

1:21:02.439 --> 1:21:04.040
<v Speaker 8>talked to like that, but you won't be talking to

1:21:04.120 --> 1:21:07.400
<v Speaker 8>me like that. I said, we will not be doing this.

1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:09.559
<v Speaker 8>I said, you're going to respect me like you want

1:21:09.680 --> 1:21:12.120
<v Speaker 8>me to respect you. And if you can't do that,

1:21:12.520 --> 1:21:14.559
<v Speaker 8>then you need to walk out of here now because

1:21:14.640 --> 1:21:16.880
<v Speaker 8>I am not having it. So I left the studio.

1:21:16.880 --> 1:21:19.640
<v Speaker 8>I told Marius, I said, if he don't turn his

1:21:19.720 --> 1:21:24.040
<v Speaker 8>attitude around, it's not going to work with he and I.

1:21:24.760 --> 1:21:27.640
<v Speaker 8>And the very next day he was married to this

1:21:27.760 --> 1:21:30.280
<v Speaker 8>girl from Alabama and she said, I just want to,

1:21:30.400 --> 1:21:34.240
<v Speaker 8>you know, apologize, Well what happened yesterday? And I brought up,

1:21:34.600 --> 1:21:37.360
<v Speaker 8>you know, a surprise for you, you know, something for you,

1:21:37.920 --> 1:21:40.519
<v Speaker 8>and she set the plate down and flipped it over

1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:43.000
<v Speaker 8>his fried because I understand you guys like fried chicken.

1:21:44.600 --> 1:21:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry what.

1:21:48.439 --> 1:21:53.120
<v Speaker 1>No, oh god, wait a minute, half of me.

1:21:53.280 --> 1:21:55.800
<v Speaker 6>As soon as she said Alabama, I knew, I said,

1:22:00.800 --> 1:22:02.800
<v Speaker 6>but was it good a mirror?

1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:09.240
<v Speaker 8>And I told David, I said, baby, y'all about to

1:22:09.280 --> 1:22:10.760
<v Speaker 8>get your Yeah, I don't even.

1:22:10.640 --> 1:22:13.559
<v Speaker 4>Want to say you get the wrong one hurt up

1:22:13.640 --> 1:22:13.960
<v Speaker 4>in him.

1:22:14.360 --> 1:22:17.920
<v Speaker 8>Okay, somebody's gonna get So we didn't work out to

1:22:18.000 --> 1:22:19.920
<v Speaker 8>this very day. David is scared of me, and I

1:22:20.360 --> 1:22:20.640
<v Speaker 8>like k.

1:22:22.120 --> 1:22:23.760
<v Speaker 1>So it's not word under the bridge at all.

1:22:25.240 --> 1:22:29.000
<v Speaker 4>No, and you did not write into that chicken. Correct, No,

1:22:29.439 --> 1:22:29.800
<v Speaker 4>none of that.

1:22:33.040 --> 1:22:35.639
<v Speaker 1>She could have. You know why you called me out? Like, wait,

1:22:36.880 --> 1:22:37.920
<v Speaker 1>why you call out.

1:22:40.160 --> 1:22:40.360
<v Speaker 7>Good?

1:22:40.520 --> 1:22:43.760
<v Speaker 1>That's not my krypto. Chugen is not my kryptonite. I

1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:47.719
<v Speaker 1>wasn't call I was suspects me. I don't care if

1:22:47.800 --> 1:22:50.880
<v Speaker 1>it's Popeye himself. No, I'm not eating that chicken.

1:22:50.920 --> 1:22:51.400
<v Speaker 4>I wasn't.

1:22:51.479 --> 1:22:52.840
<v Speaker 8>I was just getting your question answered.

1:22:52.960 --> 1:22:56.479
<v Speaker 1>That's all. Was it good? Though? Yeah, I'm sorry you

1:22:56.560 --> 1:22:57.040
<v Speaker 1>didn't need it.

1:22:57.240 --> 1:23:01.280
<v Speaker 2>However, I will at least skip even though it was

1:23:01.320 --> 1:23:03.800
<v Speaker 2>a you know, I think when you're younger, you take

1:23:03.840 --> 1:23:08.800
<v Speaker 2>everything in and you know, I loved that record, even

1:23:08.840 --> 1:23:09.879
<v Speaker 2>though I didn't realize.

1:23:10.120 --> 1:23:12.200
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, you didn't have any idea of the vaccine.

1:23:13.880 --> 1:23:18.840
<v Speaker 2>However, you came to my hometown and actually uh my

1:23:19.040 --> 1:23:23.880
<v Speaker 2>home studio of Sigma to uh to work on your

1:23:24.040 --> 1:23:30.680
<v Speaker 2>your next few records. Did Tom Bell and uh, what's

1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:36.160
<v Speaker 2>her name? Yeah, Linda Creed at the time? Did they

1:23:36.280 --> 1:23:37.320
<v Speaker 2>stop working together?

1:23:37.720 --> 1:23:38.400
<v Speaker 1>By this period?

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<v Speaker 8>They stopped working together because Linda Creed became very ill

1:23:41.760 --> 1:23:44.800
<v Speaker 8>with cancer. I don't know, okay, and that's what she

1:23:45.000 --> 1:23:50.080
<v Speaker 8>passed away from. So Linda Creed wasn't well. But also

1:23:50.400 --> 1:23:54.000
<v Speaker 8>I had I started writing with Tom Bell. Tom Bell

1:23:54.040 --> 1:23:56.479
<v Speaker 8>and I started writing because he wasn't writing with Linda,

1:23:57.320 --> 1:24:01.360
<v Speaker 8>and so you know that's what happened. The only songs

1:24:01.439 --> 1:24:06.679
<v Speaker 8>that we didn't write together or was. I remember sitting

1:24:06.760 --> 1:24:09.160
<v Speaker 8>and we used to cook before we would record or

1:24:09.240 --> 1:24:12.040
<v Speaker 8>work on a song. And so I told Tom really,

1:24:12.160 --> 1:24:14.920
<v Speaker 8>you know, I've been I've been walking around my house

1:24:15.000 --> 1:24:17.800
<v Speaker 8>for twenty somebody years singing this song and I really

1:24:17.920 --> 1:24:20.800
<v Speaker 8>like to sing it again. I said, I love this song.

1:24:20.880 --> 1:24:22.960
<v Speaker 8>He said, what is that? I said, I love It's

1:24:23.040 --> 1:24:26.439
<v Speaker 8>gonna take a miracle by the word or less, I said.

1:24:26.600 --> 1:24:29.840
<v Speaker 8>He got left the kitchen, went onto the piano, started

1:24:29.920 --> 1:24:32.960
<v Speaker 8>playing it, and then, uh, you know, we recorded it

1:24:33.040 --> 1:24:36.280
<v Speaker 8>and it was what like a top five pocket for me.

1:24:36.840 --> 1:24:41.120
<v Speaker 8>It's gonna take a miracle. And so, but the songs

1:24:41.160 --> 1:24:43.080
<v Speaker 8>that I did with Tom Bell we wrote together or

1:24:43.160 --> 1:24:45.519
<v Speaker 8>either I wrote them, and you know that kind of thing.

1:24:46.840 --> 1:24:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I know you also worked with the legendaria Clarence McDonald,

1:24:50.360 --> 1:24:54.439
<v Speaker 2>who his I know that silly you did silly with

1:24:54.520 --> 1:24:59.120
<v Speaker 2>Clarence McDonald and his his resume is out of this world,

1:24:59.240 --> 1:25:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Like how did how did that come.

1:25:00.400 --> 1:25:05.200
<v Speaker 8>About Actually, Lonnie Groves was dating Claireson McDonald at that

1:25:05.320 --> 1:25:08.800
<v Speaker 8>time and wonderful of it. She said, Oh, I'm, you know,

1:25:09.000 --> 1:25:10.679
<v Speaker 8>dating this guy and he's doing a lot of stuff.

1:25:10.680 --> 1:25:13.040
<v Speaker 8>She's doing a lot of stuff, and so we started

1:25:13.080 --> 1:25:15.960
<v Speaker 8>going out, going over to Clarence's house and we started writing.

1:25:16.040 --> 1:25:19.800
<v Speaker 8>And that's how, you know, a couple of the big songs,

1:25:19.920 --> 1:25:21.400
<v Speaker 8>especially on the first and second.

1:25:21.200 --> 1:25:25.360
<v Speaker 6>Album, came about during your time working in the Earth

1:25:25.400 --> 1:25:27.519
<v Speaker 6>Wind the Fire Camp. Did you have any dealings with

1:25:27.560 --> 1:25:28.320
<v Speaker 6>Skip Scarborough?

1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:29.200
<v Speaker 8>I did?

1:25:29.920 --> 1:25:30.519
<v Speaker 1>What was he like?

1:25:30.640 --> 1:25:31.960
<v Speaker 3>He's one of my favorite songwriters.

1:25:32.320 --> 1:25:37.080
<v Speaker 8>Skip was such an incredible, loving guy, really soft spirit.

1:25:37.240 --> 1:25:39.920
<v Speaker 8>We went to the same church, you know. He was

1:25:40.120 --> 1:25:43.280
<v Speaker 8>just the genius. Just the jenis when you absolutely you know,

1:25:43.600 --> 1:25:46.880
<v Speaker 8>don't ask my neighbor, and all the songs that skipping.

1:25:48.640 --> 1:25:52.560
<v Speaker 8>It's just incredible working with Skip Scarborough. You're right, he

1:25:52.720 --> 1:25:53.960
<v Speaker 8>was very special.

1:25:58.560 --> 1:26:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Of course he did two albums with Tom Bell and

1:26:02.320 --> 1:26:06.880
<v Speaker 2>that's also like your your your last record with the

1:26:07.200 --> 1:26:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Arc Organization with Maurice White. What happened, Like did the

1:26:13.160 --> 1:26:17.920
<v Speaker 2>label just disintegrate or And I'm I'm only asking because

1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:22.360
<v Speaker 2>like again that that that giant logo on on the

1:26:22.640 --> 1:26:25.720
<v Speaker 2>record was no longer on your records. Yeah, the RC

1:26:25.960 --> 1:26:28.880
<v Speaker 2>logo wasn't there. So when I saw the I'm So

1:26:29.040 --> 1:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>Prout record, I was like, oh that's it and no

1:26:34.080 --> 1:26:36.120
<v Speaker 2>more So how did how did that happen?

1:26:36.800 --> 1:26:42.280
<v Speaker 8>Well, Maris became you know, Maurice and Columbia Records started

1:26:42.320 --> 1:26:46.719
<v Speaker 8>having a following out differences of what where they wanted

1:26:46.760 --> 1:26:48.840
<v Speaker 8>to go. So then Marris call me and said, we're leaving,

1:26:50.240 --> 1:26:53.360
<v Speaker 8>and uh, you know, just know that everything's going to right.

1:26:53.360 --> 1:26:55.320
<v Speaker 8>You're going to go with us, And they actually started

1:26:55.360 --> 1:26:58.800
<v Speaker 8>talking to r C I And at that time, you know,

1:26:59.600 --> 1:27:03.479
<v Speaker 8>I had had any relationship with Columbia or anything outside

1:27:03.520 --> 1:27:06.040
<v Speaker 8>of you know, going in and talking to Walter. I

1:27:06.080 --> 1:27:08.400
<v Speaker 8>would talk to Walk, so we did have a relationship.

1:27:08.520 --> 1:27:12.000
<v Speaker 8>Let me back up. But I went into Walk and

1:27:12.080 --> 1:27:15.519
<v Speaker 8>I said, listen, what's gonna happen? I said, ARC is leaving?

1:27:16.080 --> 1:27:19.040
<v Speaker 8>And what do I do? He says, Oh, don't worry

1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:21.560
<v Speaker 8>about it. He says, out of you know, everybody on

1:27:21.680 --> 1:27:25.519
<v Speaker 8>the label with ARC, you're the only one that we're keeping.

1:27:25.800 --> 1:27:28.960
<v Speaker 8>And I was the only act that Columbia count Oh.

1:27:28.920 --> 1:27:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Man, okay, well, of course your your next collaborator, your

1:27:33.600 --> 1:27:37.760
<v Speaker 2>most consistent collaborator in my opinion is the work with

1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:39.880
<v Speaker 2>George Duke I'm missing.

1:27:41.360 --> 1:27:43.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, could you talk about working with him and just

1:27:43.800 --> 1:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>what it was like.

1:27:45.360 --> 1:27:48.360
<v Speaker 8>Oh, I tell you, George Duke was one of them.

1:27:49.240 --> 1:27:52.439
<v Speaker 8>It was an incredible genius. I mean you could put

1:27:52.520 --> 1:27:56.480
<v Speaker 8>George in any music genre and it would come off incredible.

1:27:57.280 --> 1:28:01.240
<v Speaker 8>I mean, you know with Zappa, you know Frank Zaper,

1:28:01.880 --> 1:28:05.559
<v Speaker 8>you know Stanley Clark, all that stuff that George did.

1:28:06.200 --> 1:28:09.400
<v Speaker 8>But you know, he could do classical, he could do gospel,

1:28:09.520 --> 1:28:11.040
<v Speaker 8>he could do R and B, he could do pop.

1:28:11.120 --> 1:28:15.200
<v Speaker 8>George could do anything. And the thing that was most

1:28:15.240 --> 1:28:18.519
<v Speaker 8>incredible about him is he was just a big teddy bear.

1:28:19.000 --> 1:28:21.760
<v Speaker 8>He was a big teddy bear. I mean I just

1:28:22.439 --> 1:28:25.439
<v Speaker 8>as a person. I loved him. I loved his wife Corrine,

1:28:25.560 --> 1:28:27.680
<v Speaker 8>And like I said, I missed him so much. I

1:28:27.760 --> 1:28:31.639
<v Speaker 8>still can't even walk a drive by their street without teary.

1:28:32.320 --> 1:28:35.200
<v Speaker 8>That's how much I miss him. But it was funny

1:28:35.240 --> 1:28:37.920
<v Speaker 8>because we were in the studio and we were recording

1:28:38.000 --> 1:28:42.320
<v Speaker 8>Black Butterfly, and then we get this call and they said, oh,

1:28:42.560 --> 1:28:45.240
<v Speaker 8>you know, they said, we're doing a soundtrack to a

1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:47.240
<v Speaker 8>movie and there's one song left and we want to

1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:50.720
<v Speaker 8>know if Denise want to do it. So I said, yeah,

1:28:50.720 --> 1:28:53.280
<v Speaker 8>I want to do it. So they said, okay, here's

1:28:53.479 --> 1:28:55.519
<v Speaker 8>you go over to the songwriters and they're going to

1:28:55.560 --> 1:28:58.040
<v Speaker 8>play you this song. So we go over there, Dean

1:28:58.160 --> 1:29:00.920
<v Speaker 8>Pittring and thompsnow on the pair they singing less Here

1:29:01.040 --> 1:29:03.960
<v Speaker 8>for the Boy and they gave us Hey. We walked

1:29:04.000 --> 1:29:05.760
<v Speaker 8>out of there and George Juke said, we ain't doing

1:29:05.880 --> 1:29:07.680
<v Speaker 8>that song. I said, come on, I said, George, wait

1:29:07.680 --> 1:29:10.200
<v Speaker 8>a minute, Wait a minute. I said, it's in a movie.

1:29:10.960 --> 1:29:13.680
<v Speaker 8>I said, you know. He said, we're not doing that song.

1:29:13.720 --> 1:29:15.120
<v Speaker 8>I'm gonna tell you right now, We're not doing that

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<v Speaker 8>stupid song, I said, George, I said, I just read

1:29:18.560 --> 1:29:21.280
<v Speaker 8>an article. They said, I'm a great ballot, you know

1:29:21.400 --> 1:29:23.280
<v Speaker 8>of our times. I said, I could do up tempo

1:29:23.520 --> 1:29:25.960
<v Speaker 8>like that. You can, and he said I hate that song,

1:29:26.280 --> 1:29:28.080
<v Speaker 8>and so I you know, I tell him my show.

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<v Speaker 8>I said, you know, the man is the head, but

1:29:30.280 --> 1:29:32.840
<v Speaker 8>the woman is the neck, and she can turn that

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<v Speaker 8>head any way. She won't, yes, George, and I went

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<v Speaker 8>to his wife, Correne. I said, Corene, wanta do that

1:29:41.160 --> 1:29:43.160
<v Speaker 8>song with me, and I need your help. She said, girl,

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<v Speaker 8>don't worry about it. I'll handle it.

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<v Speaker 4>So we water.

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<v Speaker 8>We was in the studio and George is mad as hell.

1:29:49.160 --> 1:29:51.360
<v Speaker 8>But we was in the studio recording less.

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<v Speaker 1>Here listen and how do you feel when? How do

1:29:56.680 --> 1:29:57.880
<v Speaker 1>you feel? When it went to number one?

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<v Speaker 8>You know what I'm saying. And then when we did

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<v Speaker 8>the unsung, they did this unsung on me and George's

1:30:02.600 --> 1:30:05.200
<v Speaker 8>on that. I still don't like that song, so I said,

1:30:05.240 --> 1:30:07.679
<v Speaker 8>you know what, then give me your producer's royalty. I'll

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<v Speaker 8>take you all right.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna tell you. Every little girl like me was like,

1:30:12.280 --> 1:30:13.400
<v Speaker 4>that's the jam.

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<v Speaker 1>I had that.

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<v Speaker 3>I had that on a forty five. I had that,

1:30:17.640 --> 1:30:18.680
<v Speaker 3>I had that on a forty five.

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<v Speaker 8>Give me your money, since you feel like that. And

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<v Speaker 8>so because I also tell him at my show, I said,

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<v Speaker 8>one night, I was at this club in Los Angeles

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<v Speaker 8>and I was singing, and I before less Here for

1:30:31.880 --> 1:30:33.920
<v Speaker 8>the Boy, I always ask the good man to raise

1:30:33.960 --> 1:30:36.519
<v Speaker 8>their hand, and so this guy in the corner of

1:30:36.560 --> 1:30:38.760
<v Speaker 8>the dark raised his hand, but I couldn't see him

1:30:38.760 --> 1:30:40.720
<v Speaker 8>because the lights was in my eye. So I looked up.

1:30:40.760 --> 1:30:42.920
<v Speaker 8>I said, put your hand down. You're not a good man.

1:30:43.439 --> 1:30:47.000
<v Speaker 8>So Becausert, my my son Forrest walked up to me

1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:48.840
<v Speaker 8>and said, Mom, do you know who you told me

1:30:49.080 --> 1:30:50.920
<v Speaker 8>to put their hand down? They want a good man.

1:30:51.000 --> 1:30:52.960
<v Speaker 8>I said, no, the lights in my I can't see.

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<v Speaker 8>He said that was Bobby Brown. I said that wasn't

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<v Speaker 8>That was the Holy Ghost.

1:31:06.560 --> 1:31:09.000
<v Speaker 11>I had dinner with Bobby and his wife about two

1:31:09.080 --> 1:31:11.719
<v Speaker 11>months ago. I apologize, I said, Bobby, I'm sorry.

1:31:11.840 --> 1:31:15.040
<v Speaker 4>He said, was right, was right.

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<v Speaker 2>I will say that to me, Black Butterfly is one

1:31:21.560 --> 1:31:26.080
<v Speaker 2>of my favorite all time songs of yours, more than Free,

1:31:26.320 --> 1:31:27.799
<v Speaker 2>more than any of those songs.

1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:31.040
<v Speaker 6>I heard that song at every like any kind of

1:31:31.320 --> 1:31:35.479
<v Speaker 6>black pageant, like yeah, kind of like graduation for like,

1:31:35.720 --> 1:31:35.920
<v Speaker 6>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Emi.

1:31:39.680 --> 1:31:42.280
<v Speaker 2>Only one one night is what the guys would saying

1:31:42.360 --> 1:31:45.360
<v Speaker 2>in Black Butterfly was what the woman was saying, for.

1:31:45.479 --> 1:31:46.599
<v Speaker 3>Real, for real.

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<v Speaker 8>What happened was somebody had sent the song to George,

1:31:52.479 --> 1:31:56.439
<v Speaker 8>and George played it for me, and the artist who's

1:31:56.479 --> 1:31:58.840
<v Speaker 8>a well known artist and I'm not gonna name, was singing.

1:31:58.920 --> 1:32:00.920
<v Speaker 8>It was all over the So I told you Orge,

1:32:01.000 --> 1:32:03.040
<v Speaker 8>take him off, take him off, and let me live

1:32:03.160 --> 1:32:06.320
<v Speaker 8>with it. And I loved it because it spoke about

1:32:06.360 --> 1:32:10.400
<v Speaker 8>the trials and the tribulations and what it took for

1:32:10.600 --> 1:32:13.800
<v Speaker 8>us to you know, to get here our belief, our

1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:17.639
<v Speaker 8>strength and tell your sons and daughters passing that message

1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:20.080
<v Speaker 8>John and I said, you know, I didn't write it,

1:32:20.240 --> 1:32:23.160
<v Speaker 8>but I have to sing it. And for me to

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<v Speaker 8>be nominated on the top ten list of songs that

1:32:27.080 --> 1:32:31.320
<v Speaker 8>Black Lives Matters has been playing and you know, promoting

1:32:31.400 --> 1:32:35.120
<v Speaker 8>with their thing that Black Butterfly was on that list

1:32:35.400 --> 1:32:37.800
<v Speaker 8>really touched my heart, you know, because you do work,

1:32:37.840 --> 1:32:40.479
<v Speaker 8>but you never know what's going to happen or how

1:32:40.479 --> 1:32:43.120
<v Speaker 8>are you going to impact people? So that was a

1:32:43.240 --> 1:32:43.880
<v Speaker 8>blessing for me.

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<v Speaker 5>Wikipedia says Barry Man and Cynthia Cynthia well A while

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<v Speaker 5>in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>Two, Yeah, what's your your your training? Like like are

1:32:55.560 --> 1:33:00.680
<v Speaker 2>you a student of seth Riggs? Like how do you

1:33:01.120 --> 1:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>how do you train your voice? How do you you know,

1:33:04.880 --> 1:33:07.000
<v Speaker 2>does it if you get easily hoarse?

1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>You know?

1:33:08.000 --> 1:33:10.519
<v Speaker 2>Is it the Wretha Franklin thing where you have to

1:33:10.560 --> 1:33:12.200
<v Speaker 2>have the air off in the room in order to

1:33:12.360 --> 1:33:16.000
<v Speaker 2>sing and open your trichea to hit these notes?

1:33:16.120 --> 1:33:17.360
<v Speaker 1>Like what's your regiment?

1:33:18.600 --> 1:33:18.840
<v Speaker 8>God?

1:33:20.000 --> 1:33:21.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean, there you go.

1:33:22.720 --> 1:33:26.120
<v Speaker 8>You know, I don't do anything special. I do warm up.

1:33:26.680 --> 1:33:29.960
<v Speaker 8>God is amazing? Was actually my exercise vocal that I

1:33:30.160 --> 1:33:33.360
<v Speaker 8>used to do before I actually wrote the song to

1:33:33.720 --> 1:33:36.840
<v Speaker 8>you know, open up my vocals. But I just have

1:33:36.920 --> 1:33:39.680
<v Speaker 8>to blame it on the Lord because you know, just

1:33:40.200 --> 1:33:44.760
<v Speaker 8>I mean what I am sang in about a month

1:33:45.040 --> 1:33:45.599
<v Speaker 8>and yet.

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<v Speaker 4>You know they just.

1:33:48.240 --> 1:33:50.080
<v Speaker 1>Happened, right.

1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:52.760
<v Speaker 4>But do you also like not smoke or you don't

1:33:52.800 --> 1:33:54.240
<v Speaker 4>do the dairy like, do you do that stuff?

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<v Speaker 7>No?

1:33:55.320 --> 1:33:56.479
<v Speaker 8>I don't smoke anything.

1:33:56.840 --> 1:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 8>I try to be cool, you know, in the club

1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:03.200
<v Speaker 8>with rum and coke and a cool cigarette. But then

1:34:03.280 --> 1:34:05.320
<v Speaker 8>when I found out that this was going to be

1:34:05.439 --> 1:34:07.240
<v Speaker 8>how I was making my living and taking care of

1:34:07.320 --> 1:34:10.479
<v Speaker 8>my children, I stopped that. I said, no more. I

1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:13.360
<v Speaker 8>don't smoke. You know, I don't do any of that

1:34:13.560 --> 1:34:16.679
<v Speaker 8>anything that would interfere with my throat. I did hookah

1:34:16.720 --> 1:34:19.360
<v Speaker 8>one time, and she said, okay, keep doing that and

1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:23.959
<v Speaker 8>if I cooperate with you. So no, I'm very particular,

1:34:24.000 --> 1:34:26.400
<v Speaker 8>you know. No, I don't want to do anything that

1:34:26.439 --> 1:34:28.840
<v Speaker 8>would interfere with the gift God has given me.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that you had switch labels that your gospel

1:34:36.960 --> 1:34:42.080
<v Speaker 2>output was not on Columbia at all. You mean, at

1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:45.800
<v Speaker 2>no point did they just think like, yeah, this makes sense,

1:34:45.840 --> 1:34:49.120
<v Speaker 2>let's let her do a gospel record, like, why did

1:34:49.200 --> 1:34:52.360
<v Speaker 2>your gospel stuff come out on? I think it was

1:34:52.400 --> 1:34:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Word Records, I believe No.

1:34:53.880 --> 1:34:58.120
<v Speaker 8>I was with Sparrow, but Philip and I went to

1:34:58.280 --> 1:35:01.320
<v Speaker 8>Columbia to glather and asked them to give us a

1:35:01.400 --> 1:35:03.760
<v Speaker 8>half a million dollars to start a gospel label for

1:35:03.960 --> 1:35:09.439
<v Speaker 8>Columbia and they said no. So right as they said no,

1:35:09.720 --> 1:35:11.560
<v Speaker 8>let's hear it for the boy. You know, it was

1:35:11.680 --> 1:35:17.000
<v Speaker 8>number one and my contract ran out. So I said, okay,

1:35:17.400 --> 1:35:20.640
<v Speaker 8>this is it. I'm coming back. I'll resign, but I

1:35:20.720 --> 1:35:24.080
<v Speaker 8>want to do gospel music somewhere else. And they agreed.

1:35:24.200 --> 1:35:26.559
<v Speaker 8>So I ended up on Sparrow and Philip ended up

1:35:26.600 --> 1:35:27.040
<v Speaker 8>on Word.

1:35:28.240 --> 1:35:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Wow, okay, okay, that's just.

1:35:31.880 --> 1:35:36.439
<v Speaker 2>And even with your Grammy success with gospel and whatnot, like,

1:35:37.800 --> 1:35:41.200
<v Speaker 2>they still didn't double back and just say, like, you

1:35:41.280 --> 1:35:44.320
<v Speaker 2>know what are bad, let's do let's do something.

1:35:44.920 --> 1:35:46.840
<v Speaker 8>Know what they did and they gave this other guy

1:35:47.640 --> 1:35:50.479
<v Speaker 8>six million dollars to start a gospel label and he

1:35:50.640 --> 1:35:54.000
<v Speaker 8>spent it on Arabian horses in Nashville. And they come

1:35:54.080 --> 1:35:56.280
<v Speaker 8>calling up fussle with me. I said, no, no, no, no, no,

1:35:56.760 --> 1:35:58.880
<v Speaker 8>you wouldn't gave him that six million dollars. I Ali

1:35:59.040 --> 1:36:02.439
<v Speaker 8>had asked you for a familiar So now don't don't

1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:04.920
<v Speaker 8>call me God bless you, Bye bye.

1:36:05.880 --> 1:36:10.400
<v Speaker 7>M I had to fast forward and see when Columbia

1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:12.080
<v Speaker 7>got like deep into gods. I guess they did in

1:36:12.120 --> 1:36:14.200
<v Speaker 7>Mahalia Jackson, but I was like, man, okay, So Mary,

1:36:14.240 --> 1:36:16.200
<v Speaker 7>Mary and the crad they got they got the message.

1:36:16.200 --> 1:36:17.640
<v Speaker 1>Show somebody like.

1:36:17.840 --> 1:36:19.919
<v Speaker 8>Now they come down and they got the message.

1:36:19.920 --> 1:36:26.200
<v Speaker 2>And all right, So with where you are now, especially

1:36:26.280 --> 1:36:28.000
<v Speaker 2>well you said you haven't sang in a month, So

1:36:29.400 --> 1:36:31.840
<v Speaker 2>is this the first extended break? Like there's a lot

1:36:31.880 --> 1:36:36.120
<v Speaker 2>of us a post pandemic kind of had a complete

1:36:36.200 --> 1:36:38.360
<v Speaker 2>world stop to sort of regroup for the first time

1:36:38.400 --> 1:36:41.160
<v Speaker 2>in our lives for you, was that like the first

1:36:41.200 --> 1:36:44.880
<v Speaker 2>extended break that you took when the pandemic started? As

1:36:44.960 --> 1:36:48.599
<v Speaker 2>far as uh, not doing like a lot of gigs

1:36:48.640 --> 1:36:52.240
<v Speaker 2>and whatnot, just relaxing, Like how did you how did

1:36:52.280 --> 1:36:54.799
<v Speaker 2>you spend your twenty twenty when it occurred?

1:36:55.280 --> 1:36:57.880
<v Speaker 8>Well, I've been working on producer. I'm co producing a

1:36:57.960 --> 1:37:01.400
<v Speaker 8>theater piece called Live at the Crescendo Love with Elfie Gerald,

1:37:01.479 --> 1:37:05.080
<v Speaker 8>Saravon and Pearl Bailey. So I really sink a lot

1:37:05.160 --> 1:37:10.519
<v Speaker 8>of time into you know, working on the theater piece.

1:37:10.640 --> 1:37:13.679
<v Speaker 8>We hired our director, we hired our writer, we hired

1:37:13.720 --> 1:37:17.240
<v Speaker 8>our music supervisor, we hired a theater company. So we've

1:37:17.280 --> 1:37:19.960
<v Speaker 8>been working on that for the past two years, almost

1:37:21.320 --> 1:37:25.120
<v Speaker 8>on that particular theater piece and going through music for

1:37:25.280 --> 1:37:29.200
<v Speaker 8>these three ladies. So I, you know, I've been doing

1:37:29.320 --> 1:37:31.720
<v Speaker 8>that and I'm you know, keeping my chops up for

1:37:31.760 --> 1:37:33.800
<v Speaker 8>a lot of reasons. I'm still touring, but I'm also

1:37:33.960 --> 1:37:36.720
<v Speaker 8>hoping to be able to do the role of Sarah Von,

1:37:37.080 --> 1:37:41.560
<v Speaker 8>especially in the beginning, I want to do stuff, So I,

1:37:41.720 --> 1:37:43.479
<v Speaker 8>you know, I've been doing what I can to keep

1:37:43.520 --> 1:37:45.560
<v Speaker 8>my chops up for that because I, you know, I

1:37:45.600 --> 1:37:48.520
<v Speaker 8>don't want to do anything that would embarrass this incredible,

1:37:49.800 --> 1:37:54.439
<v Speaker 8>beautiful vocalist. You know. For Elfizgerald, my my wishless would

1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:58.720
<v Speaker 8>be Patty, We'll see what happens. For Pearl Bailey, my

1:37:58.920 --> 1:38:04.120
<v Speaker 8>wishless would be read at devond So what can potentially happen.

1:38:04.240 --> 1:38:08.000
<v Speaker 8>But That's what I've been working on with that live

1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:10.960
<v Speaker 8>at the Crescendo Club, and then with my other son,

1:38:11.160 --> 1:38:14.680
<v Speaker 8>we have a children's cartoon that we've been working on

1:38:15.400 --> 1:38:18.519
<v Speaker 8>and we have a distribution deal with Ruku. So we're

1:38:18.600 --> 1:38:24.400
<v Speaker 8>working now and filming episodes for Lizzie the Lake Monster,

1:38:24.600 --> 1:38:29.720
<v Speaker 8>which is our children's program. And then my other son

1:38:29.800 --> 1:38:33.200
<v Speaker 8>and I started our own coffee company, so we're we

1:38:33.320 --> 1:38:35.880
<v Speaker 8>have a coffee shop. So we're doing coffee the Culture

1:38:35.920 --> 1:38:37.680
<v Speaker 8>Coffee Company. We're working on that.

1:38:38.520 --> 1:38:40.240
<v Speaker 4>And yeah, you said you have a shop.

1:38:41.120 --> 1:38:43.080
<v Speaker 8>We have an actual shop. And the girls got a

1:38:43.160 --> 1:38:46.880
<v Speaker 8>halked the tops and a little short pasts in the Yeah,

1:38:47.200 --> 1:38:47.360
<v Speaker 8>is this.

1:38:47.400 --> 1:38:50.120
<v Speaker 4>A Nevada or is it? Where's a shop in Las Vegas?

1:38:50.840 --> 1:38:54.400
<v Speaker 8>Our first store, So we are, you know, we're doing that.

1:38:54.840 --> 1:38:58.439
<v Speaker 8>And then I'm beginning to get back into you know,

1:38:58.920 --> 1:39:01.360
<v Speaker 8>getting back on faceboo, well, getting back on my social

1:39:01.439 --> 1:39:04.080
<v Speaker 8>media because I backed up away from that, you know,

1:39:04.320 --> 1:39:07.719
<v Speaker 8>just doing the writing and trying to be creative. Started

1:39:07.760 --> 1:39:11.200
<v Speaker 8>three books, haven't finished none of them, so any have

1:39:11.400 --> 1:39:15.120
<v Speaker 8>That's you busy, you know, I mean we weren't able

1:39:15.240 --> 1:39:17.679
<v Speaker 8>to tour, but there were other things to be done,

1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:20.080
<v Speaker 8>to be work, other projects to be worked onne and

1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:24.439
<v Speaker 8>so I've spent this time working on the other projects.

1:39:25.280 --> 1:39:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Well besides the play and whatnot. Is there another kind

1:39:28.840 --> 1:39:33.479
<v Speaker 2>of bucket list dream that you've yet to fulfill in

1:39:33.600 --> 1:39:34.080
<v Speaker 2>your career.

1:39:35.400 --> 1:39:39.080
<v Speaker 8>No, I think that, you know, with the various projects

1:39:39.120 --> 1:39:41.280
<v Speaker 8>that we have, and we also have another theater piece

1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:45.560
<v Speaker 8>called the Fairytale Chronicles stuff that we're working on. So

1:39:45.920 --> 1:39:49.759
<v Speaker 8>I think, you know, for me in the music industry,

1:39:50.439 --> 1:39:53.680
<v Speaker 8>I accomplished more than I ever thought I would and

1:39:54.120 --> 1:39:57.200
<v Speaker 8>it made it's made an impression of positive impression on

1:39:57.320 --> 1:40:00.519
<v Speaker 8>a lot of people who grew up with me, like

1:40:00.640 --> 1:40:05.040
<v Speaker 8>you and who love the music. But since we weren't

1:40:05.040 --> 1:40:07.080
<v Speaker 8>able to go out and do concerts and stuff, I

1:40:07.160 --> 1:40:10.240
<v Speaker 8>just started working on some other things creatively that popped

1:40:10.280 --> 1:40:14.439
<v Speaker 8>up in my spirit, and so I'm excited to, you know,

1:40:14.600 --> 1:40:16.560
<v Speaker 8>see this happen. I'm excited to get out on the

1:40:16.640 --> 1:40:19.040
<v Speaker 8>road with the theater piece. I'm excited to get our

1:40:19.479 --> 1:40:23.519
<v Speaker 8>episodes done for our children's cartoon. I'm just excited about

1:40:23.560 --> 1:40:27.000
<v Speaker 8>all of the various projects that we're working on right now.

1:40:27.160 --> 1:40:28.280
<v Speaker 8>You know, in my hands are full.

1:40:29.080 --> 1:40:31.559
<v Speaker 4>It also sounds great for the people who saw your unsung.

1:40:31.640 --> 1:40:34.240
<v Speaker 7>It's a nice continuation of chapter to see that you're

1:40:34.240 --> 1:40:37.040
<v Speaker 7>working with your sons, right, that's great.

1:40:37.840 --> 1:40:40.640
<v Speaker 8>Yeah. Yeah. One of the books is called you know,

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<v Speaker 8>the Next Chapter Chapter two. No, the book is called Second.

1:40:45.400 --> 1:40:49.639
<v Speaker 7>Act is the children's book, no book that I'm writing

1:40:49.840 --> 1:40:52.720
<v Speaker 7>for that you're working on one of the three.

1:40:54.400 --> 1:40:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, well you know I just wanted to front you

1:40:58.320 --> 1:40:59.120
<v Speaker 1>look like he's about to.

1:40:59.560 --> 1:41:01.920
<v Speaker 6>Oh man, I was just gonna say just this this

1:41:02.080 --> 1:41:05.320
<v Speaker 6>thank you for the music, like you're there that this

1:41:05.520 --> 1:41:07.800
<v Speaker 6>is an easy album. That's like one of the first

1:41:08.240 --> 1:41:11.519
<v Speaker 6>records I remember seeing in my grandparents' house, like coming

1:41:11.640 --> 1:41:14.599
<v Speaker 6>up and so I just remember as a kid because

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<v Speaker 6>I was, I mean, this is I was probably four

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<v Speaker 6>or five years old, but I remember the front that

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<v Speaker 6>you had on the it's like the black and with

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<v Speaker 6>the kind of yellow.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the wall.

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<v Speaker 8>I couldn't I was like, was I was so afraid

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<v Speaker 8>when that album cover came out because one of the

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<v Speaker 8>leaves did the entirely cover that titty and about this

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<v Speaker 8>big My grandmother said that what the big mama see

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<v Speaker 8>that part of my titty is out? Oh god, I was.

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<v Speaker 1>I was so.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah because the back of seriously the back cover that

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, I had to just qustian music kid. Just

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<v Speaker 6>that was one of the just the first covers I

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<v Speaker 6>remember seeing that I wasn't afraid of because it was

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<v Speaker 6>because covers were so big, you know, but you on

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<v Speaker 6>the back, and I remember you had like that big

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<v Speaker 6>smile and I was like, man, like, this is just

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<v Speaker 6>you look really beautiful on that and that's just one

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<v Speaker 6>of my favorite memories from childhood.

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<v Speaker 3>And I love that album, so just think you so much.

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<v Speaker 2>I was kind of afraid of that cover, Fante, because

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<v Speaker 2>again I thought the wall was eating her up.

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<v Speaker 4>I wasn't sure either a mirror I was with you again,

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<v Speaker 4>I thought.

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<v Speaker 1>That Stevie Wonder is drowning in donuts on songs in

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<v Speaker 1>the Wife. So you know, what do I know?

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<v Speaker 8>Oy?

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<v Speaker 2>I still did they think that he's drowning and donuts.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you know, we really thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>doing this as solid and coming on your show and

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<v Speaker 2>sharing your.

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<v Speaker 7>Story and be impatient because this has been like our

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<v Speaker 7>third time rescheduling this, and I just appreciate you for that.

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<v Speaker 7>And although you may not evoke all kinds of yells

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<v Speaker 7>and screams do your music, the emotion that you wouldvoke

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<v Speaker 7>is priceless, timeless, and we just thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>For it, sir and Steve anything, thank you for Let's

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<v Speaker 3>here for the boy.

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<v Speaker 8>From my heart.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not trying to make a joke. Thank you, just

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<v Speaker 3>even if even just for.

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<v Speaker 5>That for real though, because that's where that's that's where

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<v Speaker 5>I found you and then and then went backwards.

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<v Speaker 1>So thank you, yes, absolutely well once again, ladies and gentlemen.

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<v Speaker 2>This is Denise Williams on Quest Love Supreme on behalf

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<v Speaker 2>of Fun Takeelow and Layah.

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<v Speaker 5>And and based on that partial titty, I'm going record

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<v Speaker 5>shopping tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna pick that one up anyway. This is question.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see you on the next go around. This is Steve.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you, Bye bye West. Love Supreme is a production

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