1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Previously on Paper Ghosts. 2 00:00:04,880 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 2: Shelley had scratches all over her arms and her rot side. 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: I didn't see the left side, but both arms were scratched, 4 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: her hands were scratched, and her right side was scratched 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:17,640 Speaker 2: up on her neck. 6 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 3: You know, we don't have the advantage of going back 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 3: in time and making that a more organized operation. We 8 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: can't go back in time and fix any of that 9 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 3: or preserve anything that maybe they didn't think or no 10 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 3: to preserve back then. It might be impwards today. So 11 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:36,640 Speaker 3: you really have to have to set out on a 12 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 3: fact of finding mission. 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,160 Speaker 4: And when I talked to Elwood about it, and he's like, yeah, 14 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 4: we had done a polygraph on and he failed to questions, 15 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 4: and you know, when I wanted to go back and 16 00:00:47,720 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 4: question some more, it was like no, what attorney in 17 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 4: She's like, you'll ever talk to him again? And we 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 4: never did. 19 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: My name is em William Phelps. I'm an investigative journalist 20 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: in the New York Times, best selling author of dozens 21 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: of true crime books. This is season five of Paper 22 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: Ghosts The Texas Teen Murders. I all apologies for the mix. 23 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 5: That's okay. I can't get out of that chair. 24 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:27,640 Speaker 1: Apologies. 25 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:29,399 Speaker 5: Did you get something to eat? 26 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 6: No? 27 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 5: Why didn't you stop? 28 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: Then there was some faith, there was some construction, and 29 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: one simple mix up can create chaos and havoc. My 30 00:01:43,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: initial meeting with radio journalists and author Patricia Springer came 31 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: close to not happening at all. Within a case as 32 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: complex as this, one chance encounters and unforeseen connections can 33 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: make all the difference In the world of investigative journalism. 34 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: You can plan all you want, trying to make certain 35 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: everything is in place, and yet a slight oversight can 36 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 1: throw everything off course. Cold case work can at times 37 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: feel like you're diving down a bottomless rabbit hole, and 38 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,000 Speaker 1: yet you have to keep in mind always that breakthroughs 39 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: can sometimes be behind just one open door. On July eighth, 40 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:34,000 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, four years after Shelley and Vincent's murders, 41 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:39,079 Speaker 1: nineteen year old Wendy Robinson, a classmate of Vincent and Shelley, 42 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:43,440 Speaker 1: parked her vehicle at the Wall, a popular hangout at 43 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: Lake Weatherford for sunbathing, swimming and partying. Wendy's plan, as 44 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: far as anyone knew, was to hang out, get some 45 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: sun and meet up with a few friends. But Wendy 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,600 Speaker 1: never made it home, and her father, knowing his daughter 47 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: would not just take off without telling someone, was worried sick, 48 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:08,240 Speaker 1: and so he reported her missing that same night. A 49 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: nineteen year old not coming home might not seem like 50 00:03:11,600 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 1: a situation to panic over, if we're being objective, But 51 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: in Wendy's case, there was reason to be concerned right away. 52 00:03:21,080 --> 00:03:25,400 Speaker 1: And Patricia Springer knows this case inside and out. I 53 00:03:25,440 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 1: don't think there is anyone outside of law enforcement more 54 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: knowledgeable about it. She is spent close to the past 55 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:42,080 Speaker 1: four decades researching every nuance of it. And so how 56 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: long is she missing? 57 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 5: She was missing for several days. 58 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:52,720 Speaker 1: In murder investigations with multiple victims, you look for connections 59 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: and parallels. Wendy Robinson drove the almost identical vehicle, a 60 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 1: Monte Carlo, that Vincent and Shelley were driving on the 61 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: night of their murders. The Weatherford Police Department found Wendy's 62 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: car abandoned by the lake Weatherford Wall the next morning. 63 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 1: At first, nothing seemed to be a miss, with the 64 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 1: exception that it appeared Wendy parked, grabbed her things for 65 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: a day at the lake, and never returned to her vehicle. 66 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,599 Speaker 1: The problem was during a search by friend's family and 67 00:04:29,800 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: police on the night she went missing, Wendy's car was 68 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: not in the parking lot. So again, here's a similarity 69 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: we see in Vincent and Shelley's case. You have a 70 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 1: murder victim's car found in a place where scores of 71 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 1: people reported it had not been previously, as if her 72 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 1: killer had moved it. So she's nineteen, so she is 73 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: an adult at the time, right, but she's not known 74 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 1: to like go somewhere and not home. 75 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 5: Now, this was very unusual. 76 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:07,320 Speaker 7: Her father, Jim, was ill, and he had a condition 77 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 7: where he had to eat on a regular schedule and 78 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 7: so forth, and Wendy always fixed his lunch for him 79 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 7: each day, and she never came home. 80 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: And that's when they probably knew. 81 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,479 Speaker 7: They knew something was wrong then, but really not until 82 00:05:21,560 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 7: she just did never came home that night. 83 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: I hear this all the time from families of the missing, 84 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: the ringing of an alarm deep in their intuition, someone 85 00:05:32,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: is not where they're supposed to be at a certain time. 86 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: Hours pass and every cell in your body, as a 87 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: family member is screaming that the worst has happened, or 88 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: something very close to it, and unfortunately for Wendy's family, 89 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:56,200 Speaker 1: they were right. Wendy disappeared on July eighth, nineteen eighty seven, 90 00:05:56,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 1: and was found three days later on July eleventh. And 91 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:03,799 Speaker 1: so where is she found. 92 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 7: She's found in front of a cattle guard on a 93 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 7: ranch out in the country around Witherford in Parker County. 94 00:06:11,080 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 1: And how is she found? Who finds her? 95 00:06:14,480 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 7: There's a man that worked on that ranch that found 96 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 7: her body laying there. He had gone to enter the 97 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 7: ranch and that's when he discovered her. 98 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 5: It was in the middle of nowhere. There were no 99 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,239 Speaker 5: houses around or anything. 100 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 1: The ranch where Wendy was found sits on a stock 101 00:06:30,960 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: of flatland, or as they say in Texas, level land, 102 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: dense brush and shrubbery with trees as far as the 103 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: eye can see. It's a very remote area, farm and 104 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: ranch country. The road itself is two lanes, extremely narrow, 105 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: with no street lights. At night, the only source of 106 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: light would be from the moon. How is her body discovered? 107 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,200 Speaker 1: What's the crime scene look like? 108 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 5: Well, her body was very decomposed by then. 109 00:07:02,839 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 7: This is July in Texas, which means it's close to 110 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 7: one hundred degrees if not one hundred degrees, so he 111 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 7: wasn't really sure what he was looking at it first, 112 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 7: and then he finally determined that this was a body 113 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 7: of a young woman. She still had on her bathing 114 00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 7: suit and shorts, a pair of shorts over her bikini, 115 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 7: and she had ligatures on her wrists and her legs, so. 116 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: She was bound, and so they couldn't determine if she 117 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: was sexually assaulted or not. 118 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 7: No, the body was too badly decomposed for any kind 119 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 7: of DNA testing or any determination. 120 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 5: Whether she had been sexually assaulted. 121 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: This is an important factor within my investigation because if 122 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,480 Speaker 1: Wendy was violated sexually, that detail could begin to move 123 00:07:54,520 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: her case away from Vincent and Shelley's murders, but could 124 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: also perhaps bring the two cases closer together if what 125 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,600 Speaker 1: has been alleged that Shelley was raped turned out to 126 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 1: be true. But it's pretty obvious that she was abducted. Today, 127 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: she's at the lake and she's murdered right away, because 128 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: she still got her bathing suitan right, and she did 129 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: have her clothes on. 130 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:18,200 Speaker 5: She did have her clothes on. 131 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: So what's it like when her body is discovered? Work 132 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: gets out, what happens Oh. 133 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 7: It was like shock waves going through the community. No 134 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 7: one could believe it. This had just never happened where 135 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 7: a young girl had been inducted and then they find 136 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:36,640 Speaker 7: her body. It was scary for parents and scary for 137 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 7: young women. 138 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: Wendy's parents refused to accept anything less than answers. They 139 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: had sat and watched what happened in Vincent and Shelley's 140 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: case and how after four years, not only had those 141 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 1: families been frustrated and left blind, but local law enforcement 142 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: it didn't seem to be doing much of anything to 143 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: solve the case or keep it active. So they became relentless, 144 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: especially Wendy's father Jim, keeping the pressure on the Weatherford 145 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: Police Department and the Parker County Sheriff's office as well. 146 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 7: They constantly are calling the police department to find out, 147 00:09:23,400 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 7: what are you doing, where's the case going? Who could 148 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 7: have done this? They've had a lot of questions that 149 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 7: needed to be answered, they were getting none. 150 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: At a cursory glance, Wendy's case has few of the 151 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: same earmarks as Vincent and Shelley's murders, other than they 152 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: were classmates, are in the same general age range at 153 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: the time of their murders, and the locations are close. 154 00:09:56,080 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: And yet here are two cases right in whether and 155 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: it would be negligent for law enforcement not to consider 156 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,960 Speaker 1: them possibly being connected, not to mention all the other 157 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: suspicious suicides and accidental deaths involving teens we will talk 158 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: about later, which brings up a new set of questions 159 00:10:18,240 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: for me. Have they been looking at Vincent and Shelley's 160 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: case from the wrong angle all this time? Or had 161 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 1: Wendy also come upon some sort of drug activity and 162 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: been silenced wrong place, wrong time. Either way, you have 163 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: three teen murders in the same town and not one 164 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: solid lead beyond the rumor mill turning out the same 165 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:49,160 Speaker 1: grist of cops, involved people connected to cops, a jealous rival, 166 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: meth dealers, and a local businessman in prison for human trafficking, 167 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: and yet none of it is either heading toward justice 168 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:03,839 Speaker 1: or any viable suspect. Then, shockingly, in Wendy's case, within 169 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: the first year it was announced the Weatherford Police Department 170 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: suddenly had eight to ten suspects. So what are some 171 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: of the first theories? 172 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 7: Well, really investigating a lot of her friends. Some of 173 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:23,240 Speaker 7: her girlfriends were naming people boys that she had dated 174 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,080 Speaker 7: and so forth that they thought possibly could have done this. 175 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 7: The police department also she got all of the list 176 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 7: of the classes that she was attending at Weatherford College 177 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 7: and all the classmates so that they could talk to 178 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 7: each of them to see if they knew anything or 179 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 7: if they were acting suspiciously. 180 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: Nineteen eighty seven, I mean, that's a pretty active time 181 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: in Texas, Florida, the South for serial killers, right, is 182 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: that being talked about it all? 183 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,400 Speaker 5: Yes, it is. 184 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 7: In fact, Ricky Lee Green, a serial killer, was in 185 00:11:56,679 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 7: the North Texas area. 186 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 5: At the time. 187 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 1: Patricia published Blood Russian nineteen ninety four, a book about 188 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 1: Ricky Lee Green, who was ultimately charged for killing four 189 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: people in Texas between nineteen eighty five and nineteen eighty six. 190 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: Green was out lurking around Parker County during the time 191 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: that Wendy, Vincent and Shelley were murdered. Not long after 192 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: Wendy's body was found merely by happenstance, Green was arrested 193 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: for four murders he would eventually be convicted of and 194 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: sentenced to death for so investigators immediately began to look 195 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:43,360 Speaker 1: at Green for additional murders, including the three we're looking 196 00:12:43,400 --> 00:12:48,840 Speaker 1: at here. Then Green steps forward and admits to murdering Wendy, 197 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: and investigators are all in. They figure, we got our man. 198 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 7: He's in the tear tunny jail and his father, who 199 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:06,640 Speaker 7: was a drug dealer, was arrested, and so Ricky thought 200 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 7: that he could get his dad a better deal if 201 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 7: he would confess to Wendy's murder. He thought, they've got 202 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 7: me on four, you know, why not? What's one more? 203 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 7: As a side note, they think that Ricky Green did 204 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,840 Speaker 7: commit several other murders in the area other than the 205 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 7: four that he was convicted of. 206 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 1: So he basically comes forward and says, listen, I'll give 207 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,679 Speaker 1: you the girl, give my dad. 208 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:30,839 Speaker 5: A break exactly. 209 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: And they bought it. 210 00:13:32,760 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 5: In fact, they bought it for a long time. 211 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 7: They just kind of laid back at some point and 212 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:43,079 Speaker 7: thought because he was known to frequent the Lake Worth 213 00:13:43,240 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 7: area and that's where some of her belongings had been found, 214 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 7: they were convinced it was Ricky Green. 215 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: Did he give him any details that weren't public. 216 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 7: Not really, because he had abducted at least two others 217 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 7: from it all fit the pattern and so and two 218 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:06,120 Speaker 7: of his victims were young women. Now two of his 219 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,400 Speaker 7: victims were also man. It's kind of unusual, but he 220 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 7: was a sexually sadistic killer. He's bisexual, so he had 221 00:14:14,920 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 7: both men and women victims. 222 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: Green was a brutal, vicious psychopath of the worst type. 223 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: He often decapitated his victims and always mutilated them in 224 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:35,000 Speaker 1: some way. He used knives and hammers. He had even 225 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: castrated one man and caught the breasts off one woman. 226 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: He bound his victims, and, regardless of gender, sexually assaulted them. 227 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 1: What stood out to me was the fact that Green 228 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 1: chose male and female victims like Shelley and Vincent. As 229 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: I said, he bound his victims like Wendy and sexually 230 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: assaulted them, possibly like Shelley and Wendy. On the other hand, 231 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: Green had never used a gun. Still, as Patricia explained, Green, 232 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:16,480 Speaker 1: whom she interviewed at length, had to be taken seriously 233 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: in the three cases, for those reasons I mentioned and 234 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: others more significant. Yet, just as law enforcement became comfortable 235 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: accepting Green's admission in Wendy's case, while looking at him 236 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: for additional murders in the region, Green came forward with 237 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:38,320 Speaker 1: a new revelation about Wendy Robinson. 238 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 7: Shortly after he confessed Ricky Lee Green, I recanted his 239 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 7: statement and said that he didn't kill her. 240 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,680 Speaker 8: Let me first welcome mister Young Lee and his family's attorney, 241 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 8: mister David Sanford, and thank you for joining us here today. 242 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 8: After a thrare review of the motion of vakate judgment 243 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 8: followed by the previous administration, my office has determined that 244 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 8: it contains false and misleading statements that undermine the integrity 245 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 8: of the judicial process, which compels myself from my office 246 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:22,560 Speaker 8: to withdraw that motion. 247 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: As prosecutors aregure, I could cite over one hundred reports, 248 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: possibly more, where false and misleading statements have led to exonerations. 249 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: Same as the clip you just heard, it is part 250 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: of due legal process. Most of the cases involve a 251 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:46,840 Speaker 1: DNA match to another perpetrator, resulting in an innocent person 252 00:16:47,080 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: being set free and rightly so. Yet the Innocence Project, 253 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 1: arguably the leader in advocating for innocent people serving prison time, 254 00:16:57,360 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: notes that approximately thirty percent of dmxonerations have included false confessions. 255 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: That is, innocent people confessed to crimes they did not 256 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:14,640 Speaker 1: commit three out of ten times for myriad reasons. When 257 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 1: Ricky Lee Green confessed to Wendy's murder. It all seemed 258 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: to fit, which was one reason why when he later 259 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: recants that confession, investigators and prosecutors raise an eyebrow and 260 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: become skeptical. And so when he recants what. 261 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 7: Happens, they didn't believe Ricky Green. They were convinced that 262 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:39,639 Speaker 7: Ricky Green had done this. They did try to get 263 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 7: court documents and documents from his attorney and from psychiatrists 264 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:48,960 Speaker 7: that had seen him and so forth, trying to see 265 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 7: if he had said anything in those interviews, but of 266 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 7: course that was client privilege and they didn't get that information. 267 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,200 Speaker 1: When did detectives think, hmm, maybe he didn't do it, well. 268 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 5: That was a long time. 269 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 7: Some of them always believed it and never discounted that 270 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,400 Speaker 7: Ricky Green had done it. That's who they had focused on, 271 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 7: and they believed that's who it was. And not until 272 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 7: Jim Robinson really started pushing and he pushed to get 273 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 7: the Texas Rangers involved. He pushed to get other agencies 274 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 7: involved in the case because he felt like Ricky Green 275 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 7: had not done it. 276 00:18:27,160 --> 00:18:29,400 Speaker 5: And I had been interviewing Green. 277 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 7: For my first book, and when Jim and I spoke, 278 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,960 Speaker 7: I told him that Ricky denied it, and I believed 279 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 7: that he didn't do it. 280 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: So tell me you know him well, So tell me 281 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 1: about Ricky Green. Tell me you know you sat with him, 282 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: you interviewed him, So tell me about him. What kind 283 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: of killer is he? 284 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 5: Well? 285 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 7: His a sociopath. He has a low educational level. He 286 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 7: had several addictions to drugs and alcohol. He was your 287 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,679 Speaker 7: typical serial killer in that he was a fire starter, 288 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 7: he was a bed wetter, all those typical things, and 289 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 7: he just he roamed. He would get drunk and then 290 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 7: he would drive and roam around and look for victims. 291 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 7: And that's another reason why they thought it was Green, 292 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 7: because they thought he just was driving around and happened 293 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 7: on windy sunbathing. 294 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 5: In the lake. 295 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 1: Patricia started visiting Green in prison, taking his phone calls 296 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: and exchanging letters with him. The thing is, serial killers 297 00:19:30,920 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: lie pathologically with a smile on their face, very convincingly. 298 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: They like to play games cat and mouse. Sometimes they 299 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:44,399 Speaker 1: take credit for crimes they didn't commit, just to up 300 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: their body count. Sometimes they won't confess to a murder 301 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: they committed because they want to save a bargaining chip, 302 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: or just out of pure spite, or even to enjoy 303 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: the notion that only they and nobody else know. 304 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 3: Yes. 305 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 1: Understanding that dynamic, Patricia became determined to find out if 306 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,439 Speaker 1: Green not only murdered Wendy, but Shelley and Vincent and 307 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 1: perhaps others in and around Parker County. Also on the 308 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 1: table was the infamous fort Worth three case, two teenage 309 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,640 Speaker 1: girls and a nine year old girl who went out 310 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: to a local mall one day in fort Worth, just 311 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: thirty minutes from Weatherford and disappeared. Could Ricky Lee Green, 312 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:34,159 Speaker 1: a despicable, violent serial killer who had no victim preference 313 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: to speak of, be behind all of these murders. During 314 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:44,959 Speaker 1: one particular visit, Patricia confronted Green, and quite frankly, she 315 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: went straight at him, did you kill Wendy? 316 00:20:53,440 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 7: I told him that I wanted to know about Wendy Robinson, 317 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 7: and he just smiled and said, I didn't kill her. 318 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,000 Speaker 5: I didn't believe that. I mean, I wasn't. 319 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:03,959 Speaker 7: There to prove or disprove that he did it. I 320 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 7: just wanted to know from him what he was thinking 321 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,920 Speaker 7: and what had done. But the more I talked with him, 322 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 7: every time I ask him, and I interviewed him for 323 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 7: three years, every time I asked him. He denied it, 324 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,159 Speaker 7: and right before he went to the Walls unit to 325 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 7: be executed, I asked him for one last time, will 326 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 7: you please tell me if you kill Wendy, Robin said, 327 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 7: and he said no, I did not. 328 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: Green had one request for Patricia. Would she sit in 329 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:41,280 Speaker 1: the audience and witnessed his execution. Patricia was hoping for 330 00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:45,800 Speaker 1: a last minute deathbed confession about either Wendy, Shelley and Vincent, 331 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:50,719 Speaker 1: the fort Worth three, or perhaps any other cases a 332 00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 1: confession could close. She thought maybe this was Green's reason 333 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: for requesting her presence at his execution. What was that 334 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,080 Speaker 1: like watching serial killer die? 335 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,600 Speaker 7: Well, it's it really is like they just go to sleep. 336 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,679 Speaker 7: The chaplain at the prison had explained to me what 337 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 7: I would be seeing and what I would hear, Like 338 00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:16,160 Speaker 7: there's one last it seems like a gasp of air. 339 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 7: That actually it's one last expulsion of air, and so 340 00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 7: I was prepared for that, and then he just went 341 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:25,879 Speaker 7: to sleep forever. 342 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 5: He did make a statement. 343 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 1: The statement Green made on October eighth, nineteen ninety seven, 344 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:37,399 Speaker 1: just before he was executed by lethal injection, was not 345 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: a last minute confession. Patricia asked him one final time 346 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 1: about Wendy and the others. Green denied killing Wendy right 347 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: up until the moment he died, and instead spoke of God. Quote, 348 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 1: I want to thank the Lord for giving me this 349 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: opportunity to get to know him. He has shown me 350 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot, and he has changed me in the past 351 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: two months. I thank the Lord for all he has 352 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: done for me. I do want to tell the family 353 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: that I am sorry, but killing me is not going 354 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: to solve nothing. I really do not believe that if 355 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: Jesus were here tonight that he would execute me. Thank you, Lord. 356 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:25,240 Speaker 1: I am finished misquoting Christ's words while on the cross. 357 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:30,679 Speaker 1: The actual quote being it is finished was a blasphemous 358 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,159 Speaker 1: attempt by a stupid, violent man to redeem himself for 359 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:41,360 Speaker 1: a lifetime of torturing and murdering people. And how did 360 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: you feel walking out of there? 361 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 7: Personally, I've felt like justice had been done, that had 362 00:23:48,720 --> 00:23:54,639 Speaker 7: he not been caught, that he would continue with his killing. 363 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 5: He liked it, he enjoyed it. 364 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 1: As it turned out, Ricky Lee Green had confessed to 365 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: Wendy's murder as he claimed to get his father a 366 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: better deal on drug charges the old man was facing. 367 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:17,359 Speaker 1: Green did not in fact murder Wendy or Shelley and Vincent. Still, 368 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: Green's execution was far from the end of Wendy Robinson's 369 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: case and the possibility of her murder being connected back 370 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: to Shelley and Vincent's along with another infamous serial killer. 371 00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 4: So I know Wendy iss she had just I guess 372 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: finished finals at Weatherford College and she was going to 373 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 4: want to meet some friends over at weather For Lake. 374 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 4: There's a little area where people can kind of sunbathe 375 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 4: and stuff in the glocal a call at the wall, 376 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 4: so you can go hang out sunbay and enjoy some time. 377 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 4: But there's a road that kind of drives that goes 378 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 4: past the lake, so you can look up and you know, 379 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 4: your friends can wave at you, and they can see 380 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:14,320 Speaker 4: down below and be like, hey, what's up, how are you? 381 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:16,680 Speaker 4: So there were some friends that we know that'd seen 382 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 4: her down there sunbathing, and apparently the friends that she's 383 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 4: going to meet weren't able to make it. But she's 384 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 4: only gonna be down there for about two hours because 385 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 4: she knew she had to have the car back home 386 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 4: because her dad and brother needed it. 387 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: Private investigator Mel Mitchell, whom you've heard throughout the podcast 388 00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: has done a tremendous amount of work into Wendy's case, 389 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 1: looking to find any connection whatsoever back to Vincent and 390 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: Shelley's murders, the thought being solved one possibly solve the others. 391 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:50,879 Speaker 4: So she was out there, I guess from two to 392 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 4: whenever she was abducted. Same thing. Like, she's a good kid, 393 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 4: she's always dependable, knows something's wrong if she's not home 394 00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 4: with the time she's supposed to be home by, And 395 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:00,879 Speaker 4: so they go out there look looking for her, and 396 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 4: her car's gone. There's no trace of her anywhere, and 397 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 4: they end up obviously going to the police, and they 398 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 4: end up having a search party the following day, Like 399 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: they look in the lake. I mean, they've got search 400 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 4: parties all around the lake. I want to say, if 401 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:16,639 Speaker 4: I ride collectly, there was probably like up to fifty 402 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 4: people looking for her and they cannot find her anywhere. 403 00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:24,119 Speaker 4: And then later on sometime that night, her vehicle shows 404 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 4: back up parked in the probably close the same place 405 00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:30,400 Speaker 4: that went missing, like where she would have parked originally. 406 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 4: And then a couple of days after that, her body 407 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 4: is found in front of a local ranchers gate by 408 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,880 Speaker 4: some ranch hands and it appeared that she had been 409 00:26:40,560 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 4: sexually assaulted. She had been bound by the hands and feet, 410 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 4: she had like her bathing suit top on and some 411 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:50,160 Speaker 4: shorts on, and then she had been bludgeoned in the head. 412 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 4: And they believe it may have been a rock, not 413 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,560 Speaker 4: one hundred percent sure, because by that time period, I 414 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 4: guess it looked like she'd been dead a couple of days, 415 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 4: and so they weren't able to really confirm like what 416 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 4: kind of you know, a murder weapon was used, but 417 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 4: they're assuming as possibly a rock. 418 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 1: Mel adds such an important detail there, Wendy's car wasn't 419 00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: actually in the parking lot when they first searched for 420 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,560 Speaker 1: her at the lake. It shows up after the search 421 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 1: is completed, as if Wendy's killer is watching and waiting, 422 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: which means what he could be local comfortable with the 423 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:37,960 Speaker 1: area that mo also matches with the car Vincent was 424 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: driving being at the murder scene and then not at 425 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:50,679 Speaker 1: the scene and as everyone had suspected, Wendy was sexually assaulted. 426 00:27:51,560 --> 00:27:57,520 Speaker 1: Do you see any connections between her murder and Vincent 427 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,640 Speaker 1: and Shelley, Well. 428 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 4: I mean themates. I know that her seat was pushed 429 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 4: all the way back in her car, and it sounded 430 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 4: as though there were isn't a lot of evidence in 431 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,960 Speaker 4: her vehicle either. By one report I've read, there's been 432 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,399 Speaker 4: statements made that no one saw her leave, but then 433 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,920 Speaker 4: there's other statements saying they saw her get into a 434 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,160 Speaker 4: vehicle with three men, which if that's the case, well 435 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,399 Speaker 4: then who drove her car if she got into a 436 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 4: vehicle with three men? And I never really kind of 437 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,119 Speaker 4: understood that part. I'm like, well, if you see her 438 00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,240 Speaker 4: going with the vehicle three men in a truck, well 439 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,240 Speaker 4: then who who drove off in her vehicle? Because that 440 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,199 Speaker 4: obviously left with her. So I don't know, but I 441 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 4: do know that, like within our case, you know, the 442 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 4: vehicle was seen several times during the night and they 443 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 4: disappear even though people were actively looking for because it 444 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 4: wasn't just Vincent Senior looking for them, it was also 445 00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 4: the babysitter. You know, her family's out looking for them 446 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 4: because they're worried because they weren't back in time either. 447 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 4: So you've got other parties out there looking for these 448 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 4: kids and they can't find them. So we know that 449 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,240 Speaker 4: their vehicles kind of hit or miss all night as well. 450 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 4: So that was kind of an interesting side note. 451 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:09,560 Speaker 1: Small details seemingly insignificant can crack a case. The fact 452 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: that the driver's seat in the car Vincent had borrowed 453 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 1: that night the Monte Carlo was pushed all the way 454 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,040 Speaker 1: back is indicative of someone taller than Vincent being behind 455 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:23,400 Speaker 1: the wheel the last time it was driven, same as 456 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 1: it was in Wendy's case. In the Monte Carlo she 457 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: was driving. But even more important, Mel says three men 458 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: were seen driving away with Wendy. And if you recall, 459 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 1: we have heard several accounts of two or even three 460 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: men seen near Vincent's vehicle on that night up at 461 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:51,240 Speaker 1: Piss Hill. Then, after seeing crime scene photos of Wendy's car, 462 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 1: Mel makes what could be a remarkable discovery. 463 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 4: After Wendy was murdered a couple of months after that, 464 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 4: there was a fisherman out of a lake in Fort 465 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 4: Worth that had been fishing that morning and he ended 466 00:30:08,680 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 4: up I guess catching like a wallet and he opens 467 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,000 Speaker 4: up the wallet and it says Wendy Robinson. And so 468 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 4: he starts calling people in Weatherford, you know, gets a 469 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: phone book out back in the day, and I guess 470 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 4: one of the people he had called Robinson. The guy's like, oh, yeah, 471 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 4: this isn't the right Robinson, but you need to call 472 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 4: the police department because that person you're talking about was murdered, 473 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,200 Speaker 4: you know, a couple of months ago. So he calls 474 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 4: Weather for repde. They come out there, they start drudging 475 00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 4: the lake and that's when they find a box in 476 00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 4: the lake and it's got Wendy's person it. 477 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: There was also a wallet in the box, which belonged 478 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 1: to a guy who had been attacked and robbed at 479 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: a local gas station called Petro on the same day 480 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 1: as Wendy's abduction. 481 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 4: He was mugged from behind by two men and they 482 00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 4: stole his wallet, knocked him out, and so that's where 483 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 4: they kind of believe that those two obviously were probably connected. 484 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 1: In those crime scene photos from inside of Wendy's car, 485 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 1: Mel spies one specific detail that intrigues her. 486 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: There was a photo It showed you know, the usual 487 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 4: things like lipstick, comb or whatever, but in the right 488 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: hand corner it looked like a ball of foil, kind 489 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 4: of like what you get off of like maybe ding 490 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,520 Speaker 4: dongs or you know, it's like a little piece of foil. 491 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 4: But then I looked at some more and it maybe 492 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: wonder is there a possibility? And I'm not saying she was. 493 00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 4: It's just a theory of mine that she was using 494 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 4: meth and fetamines because we know, according to the families 495 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,040 Speaker 4: and other friends, that she had dropped quite a bit 496 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 4: of weight prior to the summer pretty quick. And we 497 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 4: know that there's a lot of people out there there 498 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:51,400 Speaker 4: marketing metham fatamines, this quick weight loss drug. So do 499 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 4: I know if that's what it is? No, but it 500 00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 4: just kind of was an interesting thing to find in 501 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,360 Speaker 4: our purse, that this little ball of foil. 502 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:03,000 Speaker 1: If you're looking at it objectively, you have to consider 503 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: the fact that she could have been used in dope. 504 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 4: Well, we know a lot of high schoolers. That's when 505 00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 4: you're going to experiment with a lot of stuff. Two, 506 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:13,280 Speaker 4: there's plenty of high schoolers it that's their an experiment 507 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 4: with narcotics. It's probably usually going to be in your 508 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:16,560 Speaker 4: high school time period. 509 00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,680 Speaker 1: Several sources I spoke to from the class of nineteen 510 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: eighty three talked about speed as the go to drug 511 00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 1: for kids at the time, speed being another name for 512 00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: meth in those parts. Mel is not saying Wendy Robinson 513 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 1: was a drug user. I want to be clear about that, 514 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: but murder investigation involves a tight rope of looking at 515 00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: all possibilities, and with meth being such a buzzword around 516 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: strange deaths, many of the suspects the rumors and murders, 517 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:54,880 Speaker 1: you have to consider that maybe somebody Wendy knew, Wendy 518 00:32:54,920 --> 00:33:00,400 Speaker 1: herself or her killer used the drug. What I have 519 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,400 Speaker 1: been told repeatedly while talking to detectives trying to connect 520 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: murder cases is to be cautious of the obvious. Always 521 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: allow the evidence to dictate your next step. Here's current 522 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 1: cold case investigator Weatherford Police Department Lieutenant Johnny Qualls referring 523 00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: to the contemporary investigation into Vincent and Shelley's murders after 524 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,520 Speaker 1: I mentioned to him how with cold case work, it's 525 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: vital that information keeps coming in or your case can 526 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: kind of become stalled. 527 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, you're you're spot on. We opened up at some point, 528 00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: you know, a hot line, I say a hot line. 529 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 3: It was just a direct. It was my extension. You know, 530 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:45,680 Speaker 3: people were calling me left and right. 531 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: A lot a lot of. 532 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,200 Speaker 3: It was the stuff I had already heard before. But 533 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:51,760 Speaker 3: people wanted to, you know, they wanted to do their part. 534 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 3: They they didn't want to loose sleep at night by 535 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:57,840 Speaker 3: not passing them on or that assumed that we knew anything, 536 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,479 Speaker 3: But we did, you know, we did you know there 537 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:02,680 Speaker 3: were a few things like, oh, that's interesting, so we 538 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 3: would I mean, we we traveled as far as New 539 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 3: Mexico to go talk to a lady because we really 540 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 3: thought we were onto something. And then by the time 541 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 3: so we get out there, we talked to her and 542 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,680 Speaker 3: it's like, oh, okay, yeah, this is not going to 543 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 3: be related. So we we You know, that's the kind 544 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 3: of you You catch yourself going and you have to 545 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,200 Speaker 3: you have to go down those rabbit holes. But that's 546 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 3: the frustrating, discouraging part. And you're in this situation where 547 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,080 Speaker 3: you know, people have questions and people are are like, 548 00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 3: who doesn't care about something like that? Two kids getting 549 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:39,320 Speaker 3: execute executed in a car Like every everyone has compassion 550 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 3: and cares about that and wants that fault. And you 551 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,400 Speaker 3: want to tell them all the things that you know, 552 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 3: and you want to tell all the things that you've 553 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,319 Speaker 3: done to but you can't. It's an active investigation. You 554 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 3: can't share all that information. So it's frustrating. 555 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: And then the families of the victims as well, who 556 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,400 Speaker 1: are frustrated and still hurting, and it's just it's endless. 557 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you have you have misinformation that as a 558 00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 3: result of that. You know, I think people when when 559 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,000 Speaker 3: they don't get the answer, when when they're seeking out answers, 560 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 3: we can't give them, you know, either either we don't 561 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 3: know or we're just simply not you know, in an 562 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 3: effort not to jeopardize an investigation, we can't give them 563 00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,160 Speaker 3: those answers. It frustrates them and I think that results 564 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 3: in some of the not necessarily by them, but some 565 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 3: of the speculation and misinformation being spread, and. 566 00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:29,040 Speaker 1: People fill in the blanks, you know, they have a 567 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,040 Speaker 1: tendency to just fill in the blanks and it just 568 00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: causes more confusion. Yeah. 569 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 3: Any any So, in that in that particular case, so 570 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:45,719 Speaker 3: the girl's biological mom was still alive and we were 571 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 3: we were able to actually go and I think she 572 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 3: got it. I think she understood. She didn't give us 573 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: any any problems, but we were able to go meet 574 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,359 Speaker 3: and talk with her and just kind of kind of 575 00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,120 Speaker 3: you know, uh initially like we did that initially, but 576 00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 3: then we kind of uh did it, you know, at 577 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 3: a midway point two, uh, and just kind of a 578 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,960 Speaker 3: check in with her. And I think she got a 579 00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,080 Speaker 3: little overwhelmed because I think she was getting here from 580 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 3: both sides. 581 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:09,200 Speaker 1: You know, she was. 582 00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 3: She she was very patient and willing to hear anything 583 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 3: we had to tell her. But then she had other 584 00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 3: folks in her ear too, and you know, and I'm 585 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 3: sure that's it probably wasn'ts fun reliving all, you know, 586 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 3: her daughter's murder all over again. 587 00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:29,200 Speaker 1: Sure sure, I run into it myself talking to victims families. 588 00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the pain never goes away and 589 00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:39,320 Speaker 1: not having an answer to it, you know. The Weatherford 590 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: Police Department continued to focus on Ricky Lee Green for 591 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: Wendy Robinson's murder even after his execution, until a new lead, 592 00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 1: a big one, began to steer them away from Green. 593 00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: Here is a recording a former Weatherford Police Department chief, 594 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:03,080 Speaker 1: the late l Wood Wholehurtz, which I was able to 595 00:37:03,160 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: obtain deep into my investigation, and what he has to 596 00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,920 Speaker 1: say changes a few things for me with regard to 597 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:16,440 Speaker 1: not only Wendy's case, but Vincent and Shelley's as well. 598 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,680 Speaker 6: Weatherford wasn't supposed to be investigating it, but did not 599 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:24,040 Speaker 6: want that case. Body was found out in the county 600 00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 6: and really nobody knows if she's abducted, lake or it. 601 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 6: We always wondered about that Petro. Maybe he didn't want 602 00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,080 Speaker 6: to touch a case. So I had to let my 603 00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,120 Speaker 6: detectors take the case. It's going to be a hot 604 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 6: case to investigate and form politician. That was not a 605 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 6: good deal to me. It had to be investigated, and 606 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 6: that's the reason I told the intectors take off on it. 607 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,000 Speaker 6: I just know he didn't want to touch a case 608 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 6: and it had to be investigated. I told my people 609 00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:58,279 Speaker 6: go through it. 610 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: So the elected sheriff at the time Wendy's body was 611 00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:11,440 Speaker 1: found was the same guy in office in nineteen eighty 612 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: three when Vincent and Shelley were murdered, and he did 613 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 1: not want to take Wendy's case. That is not so unusual. 614 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:27,480 Speaker 1: I have learned. Elected sheriffs are politicians, optics are everything. 615 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:34,720 Speaker 1: Reelection is always the goal. But this situation turns into 616 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: a jurisdictional pissing contest, which might have led to the 617 00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: case against Ricky Lee Green becoming sidetracked. Elwood Hulhertz's investigators 618 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:50,080 Speaker 1: jumped in they focused on getting a composite drawing done 619 00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: of the man who had rob the guy's wallet at 620 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 1: the Petro and afterward tossed it into that lake. They 621 00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,880 Speaker 1: felt there could be a connection somewhere in there, because 622 00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:05,400 Speaker 1: remember the robbery happened on the day Wendy went missing, 623 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,439 Speaker 1: and when they fished that wallet out of the lake, 624 00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 1: as you heard, they found some of Wendy's belongings, potentially 625 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,920 Speaker 1: tying the two crimes together. I should note that composite 626 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:24,240 Speaker 1: in no way resembled Ricky Lee Green. By then, Green 627 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: had been completely ruled out, even if there were certain 628 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: detectives who still believed he did it, with a major 629 00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,400 Speaker 1: part of ruling him out being that the Texas Rangers 630 00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: were now involved. I asked Patricia Springer where the investigation 631 00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,000 Speaker 1: into Wendy's murder went from there. 632 00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:58,160 Speaker 7: His attorney, his defense attorney, had a Sodian Pitothhal interview 633 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:02,520 Speaker 7: with a psychiatrist, and I petitioned the court to be 634 00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 7: able to see that. They would not allow me to 635 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,279 Speaker 7: see it until after his execution. But I did go 636 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 7: see that interview, and in that interview, he talks about 637 00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,240 Speaker 7: a Wendy that he killed, but he said he stabbed 638 00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 7: her and stabbed her, and stabbed her and stabbed her, 639 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,400 Speaker 7: which is what he did to his victims. He always 640 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,799 Speaker 7: used a knife, which is another sexual instrument to him, 641 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,440 Speaker 7: and Wendy didn't have a stab wound, honor. She was 642 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 7: hit with a large rock in its splitter skull. 643 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: You see. Very few were listening to what the evidence dictated. 644 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,799 Speaker 1: Most were stuck on the obvious. A serial killer says 645 00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,920 Speaker 1: he did it, then I guess he did it. They 646 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,560 Speaker 1: took Green at his word a huge mistake and seemed 647 00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:54,040 Speaker 1: to disregard the obvious evidence that Wendy was never stabbed. Now, 648 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:59,400 Speaker 1: is there any chance that Ricky could have killed Shelley 649 00:40:59,480 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 1: and Vincent? 650 00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:02,680 Speaker 5: I don't personally believe so. 651 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,360 Speaker 7: That just seemed like either planned or they came upon something. 652 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:10,799 Speaker 7: The theory has always been that they came upon a 653 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 7: drug deal that was going down. And also, Ricky never 654 00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 7: used a firearm in any of these killings, that it 655 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 7: would have been very unusual for him to switch from 656 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:26,560 Speaker 7: his weapon of choice. There are also other murders that well, 657 00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:30,280 Speaker 7: they said he did, they don't have any proof. After 658 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 7: his execution, I had the Texas Rangers come in and 659 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,160 Speaker 7: draw blood from him so that they would have DNA 660 00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 7: for any future cases. Unfortunately, the Texas Department of Public 661 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:47,760 Speaker 7: Safety can't find that DNA. 662 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,480 Speaker 1: Imagine that they lost the DNA collected from a serial killer. 663 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: While certain investigators were literally closing Wendy Robinson's case at 664 00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 1: her murder to Ricky Lee Green, not following where the 665 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:08,120 Speaker 1: evidence was taking them, the Weatherford Police Department received a 666 00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: call from a young woman, the daughter of a guy 667 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:17,840 Speaker 1: named not kidding you, Ricky Lee Adkins, and that call, well, 668 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 1: it changed everything. 669 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 7: Her father had confessed to her that he was part 670 00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 7: of the murder of Wendy Robinson in Wetherford. 671 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 5: And then that's when they went. 672 00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,920 Speaker 7: Back to Adkins, found his name in the murder book 673 00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,759 Speaker 7: that they had, that he was known back then. He 674 00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:43,800 Speaker 7: was known to be sleeping in his vehicle at Lake Weatherford. 675 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:49,720 Speaker 1: And when they checked that composite of the petro robbery 676 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,640 Speaker 1: suspect which had led to the wallet in the lake 677 00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: and Wendy's belongings, the dude turned out to be a 678 00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,120 Speaker 1: dead ringer for the man whose daughter had dropped the 679 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,680 Speaker 1: dime on him. And now just like that, the Weatherford 680 00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: PD had his name. 681 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:10,759 Speaker 7: All of a sudden, he came to the forefront the 682 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 7: pieces start to do. 683 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,040 Speaker 1: Please check out my weekly podcast, Crossing the Line with 684 00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: m William Phelps, where I delve into a new missing 685 00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:30,040 Speaker 1: person and cold case murder each week wherever you get 686 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:35,319 Speaker 1: your favorite shows coming up. In the next episode of 687 00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,040 Speaker 1: Paper Ghosts. 688 00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 7: When they went to the wall to see what was 689 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,880 Speaker 7: left there, her car was there, it was unlocked, but 690 00:43:46,000 --> 00:43:49,720 Speaker 7: her purse and her radio and her keys were gone. 691 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:52,160 Speaker 9: Yeah, I have no doubt Frosts everything. 692 00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:52,839 Speaker 6: For one. 693 00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:56,279 Speaker 4: Frosty was like one of the big wigs back then. 694 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:59,399 Speaker 9: You know, he's a Walter White of Parker County when 695 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 9: it came to cook enemies. I mean, he was one 696 00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,200 Speaker 9: of the guys that were the guys you went to 697 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 9: to get the best stuff on the market. 698 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,520 Speaker 1: And if he was a cop pain in my house. 699 00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,480 Speaker 8: Here's probably like a year ago. They came over. 700 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,840 Speaker 5: Here and well belong, they started. 701 00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,560 Speaker 3: Choosing everything, and I said, well, for you'll get all 702 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 3: high and all this sudther. Y'all need to understand that 703 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,160 Speaker 3: I took a pollybat tans that I passed it. 704 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,560 Speaker 1: Paper Ghost season five is written and executive produced by 705 00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:36,400 Speaker 1: me and William Phelps. Script consulting by iHeartMedia Executive producer 706 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,360 Speaker 1: Catherine Law. Production by toc Boom Productions, Audio mastering and 707 00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:47,200 Speaker 1: mixing by Brandon Dicker. The series theme number four four 708 00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,200 Speaker 1: to two is written and performed by Thomas Phelps and 709 00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:51,960 Speaker 1: Tom Mooney