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Hard Rock Bet is our 30 00:01:41,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: partner and we got into a relationship with hard Rock. 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: In the volume, I said, I want another and they 32 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: said the same thing. Let's do a college another college 33 00:01:53,080 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 1: football podcast, but it would be cool if it was 34 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: different than the ones we have, And so Jarvis Landry 35 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 1: and Leonard Fournett both went to LSU. They never overlapped. 36 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: One was the star running back, won the star receiver. 37 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:12,640 Speaker 1: And we said, let's let's put these guys together and 38 00:02:12,720 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: let's do a test. Well, we listened for about five 39 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,160 Speaker 1: minutes and we knew we had a hit, and so 40 00:02:19,240 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: I thought, I'm gonna if you haven't heard him, I'm 41 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: going to introduce you for the next thirty thirty five 42 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: minutes when you go to your NFL experience. I always 43 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: thought that Tampa thing was fascinating because when Brady went 44 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 1: to Tampa, we knew they needed a right tackle. They 45 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 1: drafted one, Tristan Wurse, but the defense was set. They 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 1: had good tight ends, excellent wide receivers, they needed a 47 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: quarterback Tommy, and they needed a right tackle. And then 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: they started adding like Gronk kind of his security blanket. 49 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: I mean, Tom just but he was out of his prime. 50 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: But it didn't matter. And then they brought you in 51 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: and I my take was, I didn't know you, but 52 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:04,720 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, Brady wouldn't okay that. Arians wouldn't okay 53 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: that unless he's like he's a dog. And like when 54 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: you got the call, take me back to the Buccaneers 55 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:14,640 Speaker 1: and you get the call, and they're kind of because 56 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 1: even when they were like five hundred with Jamos, everybody 57 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 1: in the league knew, I mean, Tom chose them. Everybody 58 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: knew they were like, dude, they're underachieving. They got a 59 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: lot of dudes. When you got the call to go 60 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: join Brady, tell me about that. 61 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,320 Speaker 3: So, man, as you know, I got cut by Jacksonville 62 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 3: right two weeks later I get calls from At the time, 63 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 3: I was twenty six, twenty five, twenty six, still on 64 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 3: my prime, you know, and that's the best year is 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 3: to get us young guys, you know when we still 66 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:45,840 Speaker 3: can get you know, you're milking a cow and you 67 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 3: get all that stuff. 68 00:03:46,840 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: Out of them, especially running those Yeah. 69 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, for sure, and I can. 70 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 3: I can almost The first person to reach out to 71 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 3: him was Devin White, right, I kind of mentored Devin 72 00:03:56,640 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 3: White at LSU. He was he was younger than me, 73 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 3: and I always knew Devon was going to be who 74 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: he was going to. 75 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 4: Be because he worked hard. 76 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: He's always smart, you know, he's a good guy, strong 77 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: man listen, strong country guy. 78 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:09,520 Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. You pick up hate for 79 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: a living. 80 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 3: So it's like I always seen that in him. But 81 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 3: I think, for me, what kind of what kind of 82 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 3: put it on? Put the tray on the top of 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 3: when Tom reached out to him, because me and Tom 84 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: wasn't wasn't under armor together, so we always had a relationship, 85 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 3: right and I called, I'm like, I'm looking at their 86 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 3: running back room. You know, at the time, I didn't 87 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 3: know who Ronald Jones was, So I come from Jacksonville 88 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: being a Bell Kyle, you know, and uh, I think 89 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,520 Speaker 3: when he asked me to come over, He's like, man, 90 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,039 Speaker 3: you could be a part of something special. I just 91 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 3: felt it in my I felt it in my heart, 92 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: like I'm like, you know what, I'm gonna give it 93 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 3: a chance. But in the beginning it didn't go as 94 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 3: I thought it would go. I thought I was gonna 95 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 3: come in take over, be the number one back, right. 96 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: I had to go through my adversity to become who 97 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 3: who I became was playoff Lenny, super Bowl Lenny, uh 98 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 3: and all those things. But it took a while for 99 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 3: me to get over that homep for being cut well. 100 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 1: Also think about it, Leonard is that it was a 101 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 1: little bit of an all star offense. Brady Brady views 102 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: the world differently than arians. Arians wants to throw it. 103 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:18,360 Speaker 1: He's like Al Davis, like he wants to go over 104 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: the top old raider football. Tom's very much about fallout, 105 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: quick yards after cats. That's that's his doctrine. So that 106 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: offense you were part of was a lot. I mean, god, 107 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: you guys were seven and five through week twelve and 108 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 1: you got a perfect buy. But I would argue you 109 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: guys were a bit of a mess until week twenty one. 110 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:43,360 Speaker 1: What happened in the bye week because you didn't lose 111 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,360 Speaker 1: after that? What and now you got Atlanta a couple 112 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: of times, I remember, so they got you healthy. But 113 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 1: what happened in that bye week to fix the offense? 114 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 1: Because it was it was hot and cold to twelve 115 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:56,599 Speaker 1: games in Tom's first year. 116 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, man, we had a we had an all players meeting, right, 117 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's different when you come from 118 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 3: being the vocal points of certain offenses like I was, 119 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 3: right and Antonio Brown was the vocal point of his 120 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 3: offense and in the stillers right, and we kind of had 121 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,080 Speaker 3: to have that that coming to coming to guard meeting, like, 122 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:17,040 Speaker 3: you know, we know what we can do, our egos. 123 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 3: You know, there's only one ball. Everybody's not gonna be 124 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 3: able to touch the ball. So understanding is now for 125 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 3: us to win our egos, our attitudes and us not 126 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 3: not not being a part of the game plan some 127 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:33,200 Speaker 3: games and not being like, you know, we want to score, 128 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:35,400 Speaker 3: we want to play. We have to cut it out, 129 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 3: right because after that, I mean you you had games 130 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 3: where our number one wide receiver, Michael Evans got the 131 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:46,040 Speaker 3: ball two times, three times a game and did not complain. 132 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 3: So I'm like, damn if I'm if I'm if I'm 133 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: complaining and he's not saying nothing. All right, Well, maybe 134 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 3: maybe I need to dial back a little bit and 135 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 3: understand this is just bigger. 136 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:57,520 Speaker 4: This is way bigger than me. 137 00:06:58,000 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: It's bigger than what our, what I our want to 138 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: comment as a player, right, we have something to do 139 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 3: that probably nobody has ever done besides Grunk and Brady 140 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: and NBA has won a Super Bowl. And that's what 141 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: we did. We say, you know, we stuck our hat downs. 142 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 3: We say, you know, let's do it and be stuck 143 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 3: with it. 144 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Jarvis, that was obviously the best team Leonard was ever on. Jarvis, 145 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: give me the best, And a lot of times the 146 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: best team isn't the best experience. You know, you you 147 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: can get on a team that's good and you're not 148 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 1: and you just don't like the guys. I mean, you 149 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:30,160 Speaker 1: were a five time Pro Bowlers, you were obviously a 150 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 1: great player, you were a leader, But what was your 151 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: best year in terms of experience? It doesn't have to 152 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: be the most wins a cohesive unit. Jarvis, that you 153 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: just loved pro football like you loved it in high school. 154 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think I wish I had got 155 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 5: that call from Brady like Leonard did. 156 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 2: But but but. 157 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 5: I think the best team that we played on was 158 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 5: I have to say the Cleveland team that we went 159 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,080 Speaker 5: to the playoffs with Baker in nineteen Yeah with Baker, Yeah, right, 160 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 5: And I think that was one of the best teams. Obviously, 161 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 5: it was a weird year because it was a little 162 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 5: bit of COVID and things like that happening going on 163 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 5: around around the world. Right in the NFL IS figured 164 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 5: some things out, but you know, I think at that 165 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:13,800 Speaker 5: point in time, it really became strictly about football for 166 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: some reason, doing COVID, like it was literally home in 167 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 5: football home. 168 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 2: There was no other distractions. There was nothing else that 169 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: can come in between. 170 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Cleveland's boring enough at COVID. 171 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 2: You know, listen, Cleveland is underrated. People think Cleveland is boring. 172 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 2: Cleveland is very underrated. 173 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 5: But but that team, that team, we just had a 174 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:37,440 Speaker 5: lot of guys played well at the right time. You know, 175 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:41,400 Speaker 5: we lost Odell that year to ACL, we had a 176 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 5: couple other guys get injured, and we had younger guys 177 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 5: step up. 178 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:44,679 Speaker 1: Right. 179 00:08:44,720 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 2: We had Rashaan Higgins who stepped up right. 180 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 5: And if you want to say, the most most arguable 181 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 5: call in the last five or six years was when 182 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 5: he dove in for a touchdown in Kansas City. 183 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 2: The helmet and helmet car guy is being a. 184 00:08:56,760 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: Touch You out played the Chiefs in that game there. 185 00:08:58,840 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 4: But if there's no. 186 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 5: Question, Colin, I am still pissed at Chad Haney. Chad 187 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 5: Heney came into the game. Chad Henney came into the 188 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:09,960 Speaker 5: game after not playing I don't know, he probably didn't 189 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 5: play for thirty seven weeks for the last two years, 190 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 5: and he walked into the game. And it's a beautiful 191 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 5: thing about sports, and it's a beautiful thing about you know, 192 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 5: guys being ready when their number is called, right, But 193 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 5: I just wish it wasn't that day. 194 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I really wish I had that little completion off 195 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: to the right and that seal it. 196 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 5: That sealed it, and to play before that it was third, 197 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 5: I want to say it was third and fourteen and 198 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 5: he ran for thirteen. And then you know, oh Andy 199 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 5: Reid who always has a has one in his pocket, right, 200 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 5: he calls a fort down beater versus man the man 201 00:09:43,480 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 5: getting a ball to Tyreek Hill as fast as possible, 202 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,720 Speaker 5: and you know, they convert and you know it's over. 203 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 5: But that was one of the best teams that I 204 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 5: was that I played on, and I was very excited 205 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:55,079 Speaker 5: the next year, even though it didn't work out. Things 206 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:57,440 Speaker 5: didn't work out for us in Cleveland, but the next year, 207 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 5: I was excited because we'll be getting our pieces back 208 00:10:00,040 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 5: and things like that. So I was hopeful that we 209 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 5: can carry on to you know what we what we 210 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 5: put on the field last year, put on a tape 211 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 5: last year, you know, but it didn't work out. 212 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:08,040 Speaker 2: You know. 213 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:11,959 Speaker 1: It's people think I don't like Baker Mayfield. It is 214 00:10:12,000 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: not true. 215 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 5: Well I've been I've been wanting to talk to you 216 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 5: for a long time about this. 217 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: All right, So you started because I said before, I 218 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,040 Speaker 1: thought Cleveland was a bad spot for him to land 219 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,439 Speaker 1: out of college. I preferred Donald. I thought Darnald was 220 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:29,920 Speaker 1: a bigger, stronger quarterback and a little bit more coachable. 221 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: I thought Baker throws a better football. But I thought 222 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:37,080 Speaker 1: Cleveland's dysfunction, Cleveland's angry media, the beaten down fan base, 223 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: and Baker was really emotional, you know, he would fight 224 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 1: with the media. I thought this is not good. This is, 225 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: and eventually it wasn't. Stefanskin Berry and I think both 226 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:49,679 Speaker 1: those guys are sharp. They moved on, but I never 227 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 1: hated him. I always said this with Baker. I said, 228 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 1: he's absolutely one of the twenty best quarterbacks on the earth. 229 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: Right now, I wouldn't make him my guy at this point. 230 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:02,600 Speaker 1: Now I have all so defended him in Tampa. I'm like, guys, 231 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,839 Speaker 1: sign him, re sign him. Tampa's perfect. If you pay 232 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,679 Speaker 1: Baker forty million, it's like Darnold, I don't want to 233 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: pay him sixty. You pay Baker forty. Malik Willis at 234 00:11:13,400 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: twenty two is a steal. I think Malik's super talented. 235 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,319 Speaker 1: But my take on Baker was he just wasn't quite 236 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: ready for the Cleveland experience. Hell did he gone to 237 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 1: the Rams and McVeigh you know who knows? But you 238 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: tell me When I was critical of Baker and he 239 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: would fire back. I mean, you were in the locker room. 240 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:36,200 Speaker 1: Did he ever come up to you and go, hey, 241 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 1: don't listen to that idiot on Fox? 242 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: Well? 243 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I feel like I had to say that 244 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 5: a few times, right, But I think, what was you know, 245 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 5: when you were as good as Baker is right, especially 246 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 5: coming out of college. You know, he had all of 247 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:55,720 Speaker 5: the intangibles right, maybe not physically, but as far as 248 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 5: throwing the ball and being a winner, right, And in 249 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 5: most cases that's what you get value that right, And 250 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 5: in Cleveland, into his defense, Cleveland have been a bad 251 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 5: team for a long time. Bad So that's how they 252 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 5: were able to get guys like myself, guys like da 253 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:17,440 Speaker 5: Marius Randall, I think Carlos Hide at the same time. 254 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 2: We all came in together, right. 255 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 5: And when you're that bad, you get the first round 256 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 5: draft pick and you take the best player on the board. 257 00:12:24,240 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 5: And at the time, Cleveland felt like that was Baker, 258 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 5: and I think they were right about it. And we're 259 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 5: seeing that they were right about it. Obviously it didn't 260 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 5: work out there, but it should have worked out there. 261 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 5: Baker is a hell of a competitor. He's a great 262 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 5: team right. I do think if you if you think 263 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 5: about if I think about his trajectory, right, I do 264 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 5: think that at a time of I wouldn't say him 265 00:12:45,760 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 5: being so young, but I will say the maturity, the 266 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 5: maturity level that he is at now is not something 267 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 5: that he had in Cleveland. It's not something that that's 268 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 5: not something that any player has when they're that young, right, 269 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:02,760 Speaker 5: and acts to take a bad organization, a bad team, right, 270 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 5: I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna. I love them uh 271 00:13:05,880 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 5: uh d and Jimmy Haslam. 272 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: But but but. 273 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 5: To take a pro organization that has been through the 274 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 5: mud and do what. 275 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 2: No one could do. 276 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: They had they had thirty seven quarterbacks in five years, right, 277 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,319 Speaker 5: and more credit to John Dorsey for taking a taking 278 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:26,599 Speaker 5: a gamble and bringing guys in to help a young quarterback. 279 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,439 Speaker 5: And I thought that we had a good run. We 280 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 5: should have had a longer run, but I thought that 281 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 5: we had a good run. And as far as media 282 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 5: and and and you and and Baker, I just never 283 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 5: understood it, right, I just never understood that. 284 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,800 Speaker 2: You know, he was he was very young, and I. 285 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 5: Just felt like maybe he didn't know how to handle 286 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 5: the pressure. But also it was one of those things 287 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 5: where he was put in a situation and asked to 288 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 5: perform at a high level in which you would call 289 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 5: yourself a dysfunctional place. 290 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, so for him. 291 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 5: To go there and succeed will be extremely tough, right, right, 292 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 5: And and for anyone to be critical, I will say 293 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 5: he didn't listen to There was a lot of people 294 00:14:08,280 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 5: talking right, Oh, I know, there was only a certain 295 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 5: few that broke through. 296 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 2: There was only a certain few that he really heard. 297 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 5: Right, And and and it happens to all of us. 298 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 5: It happens to all of us. I'm sure Linda could 299 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 5: attested this too. You know, in sports, you know there's 300 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 5: certain you know, people that report sports, and they're reported 301 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 5: at a high level, and they reported very well, and 302 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 5: they speak their truth and there and sometimes their their 303 00:14:31,840 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 5: truth is is something that makes it to the player, 304 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 5: It makes it to the sure and yeah, and and 305 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 5: those are things that we think about on the field. 306 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: Those are things that we're trying to address. 307 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: Guys, I've had I've been doing this thirty five years. 308 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: I've had media critics attack me. Most of them I 309 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: don't care. But there have been moments where a critic 310 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: has said something or a fan has said something, and 311 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: I've thought, oh, they're making a good point. That's actually 312 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: a really really good point. Like I do think, as 313 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: long as you don't get a wash in it, you 314 00:15:02,560 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: don't get it's not an avalanche, you don't bathe in it. 315 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: But I've had people I've had I've had years and 316 00:15:08,400 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: years ago when I used to read emails from fans 317 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,200 Speaker 1: at least once a month, somebody would send one and 318 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: you'd be like, that's a really good point. You know, 319 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: I was getting repetitious or using a term or a saying, 320 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: and I'd be like, that's a great point. So you know, 321 00:15:24,320 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: and and I always said this with Baker Mayfield is 322 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,480 Speaker 1: everybody matures at a different level, and it's it Baker. 323 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,960 Speaker 1: He just but he just wasn't like Fernando Mendoza is 324 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: twenty two going on forty five years old. I mean, 325 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: he's like mister Rogers. Like by the way, Mayfield no 326 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of people that believe that there 327 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: are players that are like Kirk Cousins. I don't think 328 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,800 Speaker 1: it's ever been in trouble, Like I get it, Like 329 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: there are right, like I get it. And Baker's a 330 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: guy that can go out with the boys and you 331 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: want to get into a contest, you know, he'll go 332 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 1: he'll go online dancing or inline dancing, or he'll do 333 00:16:09,920 --> 00:16:12,920 Speaker 1: arm wrestling. And that's who Baker is. That's the part 334 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: about Baker. I always like he's one of the guys 335 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 1: sometimes probably too much one of the guys now now, 336 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,000 Speaker 1: Leonard talking about media, was there ever a criticism because 337 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: I remember you skipped a bowl game once or a game, 338 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 1: and I remember going on the air and defending you 339 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,840 Speaker 1: and McCaffrey. I'm like, guys, it's you are not skipping 340 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:40,240 Speaker 1: the National championship. Secondly, running back's the only player in 341 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:45,040 Speaker 1: football now that you can hit anywhere anytime, high, low knees, back, 342 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. So I'm going to defend college running 343 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 1: back not playing for a natty. I remember saying that 344 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:52,360 Speaker 1: on the air. But was there ever a criticism in 345 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: your career, college or pro Leonard that stings you learn 346 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: from it or it pissed you off. 347 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can honest say I think it was for more. 348 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 3: For me, it was skipping the bowl game right, right, 349 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 3: because when I went to the NFL combine, right, that 350 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: was everyone's question, Right, so do you love the game? 351 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: I'm like, and my and my answer was, you know 352 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 3: you got to understand this, right. I still came back. 353 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 3: I still played injured. I suffered with a high little 354 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 3: angle sprain right And not to mention I could have 355 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 3: I could have set out in the beginning of the 356 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 3: season because I've already had gotten my grade back from 357 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 3: the NFL. 358 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:31,360 Speaker 4: This was gonna be a top five pick. 359 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 3: But you got to understand this, me being who I am, 360 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 3: you know, and wanting to win for LSU and me 361 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: being from Louisiana. 362 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:42,360 Speaker 4: I mean, it's nothing like it. So just going out 363 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 4: there and compete. 364 00:17:43,520 --> 00:17:45,520 Speaker 3: And the thing that hurted me the most, right, I 365 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 3: thought I was, I thought at the time, and I 366 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 3: still believe that now. I made that decision based on 367 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: my family, a business career. At the time, I had 368 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 3: a son and a daughter, you know, so I thought 369 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 3: about longevity, you know, and you got to think about 370 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: the past guys who played before me. Marcus LaMarcus Latimore 371 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 3: played that South Carolina. 372 00:18:06,720 --> 00:18:08,479 Speaker 4: Yeah, he tore up his need, you know. 373 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: So all that plays apart when you're playing the game 374 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 3: right that you love right and and also there's the 375 00:18:15,840 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 3: horse reality, like you can you can't get hurt, and 376 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 3: now you don't. You don't beat the top five pick 377 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 3: the first round of you know, you might go to 378 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,679 Speaker 3: you might be a free agent, right, you know, not 379 00:18:27,720 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: get drafted. So all that was playing in my mind 380 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,639 Speaker 3: each and every game. I'm like, all right, all right, 381 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:34,679 Speaker 3: you playing with this little this high, little Angle Spring, 382 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 3: and some of my coach told me said, man, you 383 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 3: have done everything you wanted to do. 384 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 4: Just sit down. You've paid your. 385 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 3: Way to be an NFL star, the NFL Top five pick. 386 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 3: You've you've done it all. You did it all, so man, 387 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 3: just rest and then leave it, leave it in God's hand. 388 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 4: That's what I did, all right. 389 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: Today's show is brought to you by our presenting sponsor, 390 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:05,440 Speaker 1: hard Rock Bet, Florida Sportsbook. 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This, Tony Gonzalez is the all time 428 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: great tight end. Right, He's on Amazon now and I 429 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: loved Tony's a friend and I said one time, Tony, 430 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:12,359 Speaker 1: how many players love the game, And I mean love it? 431 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: And he said, you know, three percent? Five percent. He goes, listen, 432 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: we like the game. The game's hard. 433 00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 4: He goes. 434 00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: The minute I retired, I'm never lifting another weight. He's like, 435 00:21:22,160 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 1: I hate the weight room. Now he's in great shame, 436 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,719 Speaker 1: but he so let me ask you, guys this, Jarvis. 437 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: I'll go to you on this, but go to your 438 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: last year as a pro. Jarvis, did you still love 439 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: the game? 440 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 5: Absolutely love the I love the game the same way 441 00:21:41,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 5: that I loved it the first day I picked up 442 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:44,360 Speaker 5: a football. 443 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:44,959 Speaker 2: Now. 444 00:21:46,240 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 5: The game wasn't the problem, honestly, Colin. The problem for 445 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 5: me was I knew too much. Like you know, someone 446 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 5: had already pulled the curtains back right from a political standpoint. 447 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 5: Right at that time in my career, I was in 448 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,280 Speaker 5: New Orleans and I'm coming off of an MCLs injury. 449 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 5: I still finished with eight hundred yards. I think I 450 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:08,120 Speaker 5: only played twelve games that same year Baker was heard. 451 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 5: It was our last year in Cleveland. We still figured 452 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 5: out a way to play, make some plays, and I 453 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 5: thought I still had a lot more juice left right, 454 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 5: And I did, and Jenner, I really did. But I 455 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 5: went to a team that already had their receiver in 456 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 5: Michael Thomas, that also had a running back in Alvin Kamarap, 457 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 5: that also had a utility player in Taysoon Hill, that 458 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,880 Speaker 5: also had a first round draft pick and Chris olave right, 459 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 5: and I'm thinking to myself, man, I'm going join the Avengers. 460 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 2: Like I really felt like I thought I was going 461 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:46,719 Speaker 2: to join the Avengers. 462 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 5: Right in first game of the season we played against Atlanta, 463 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 5: I catched seven balls for one hundred and thirty one. 464 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:53,879 Speaker 2: Yards, and then from there it was all downhill. 465 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 5: And as I begin to talk and you know, to 466 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 5: Mickey Loomis and receiver coach Cody at the time, and 467 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 5: I'm trying to figure out, Hey, why am I not 468 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 5: getting targets anymore? Why am I not getting the ball anymore? 469 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: Right? And I realized because we weren't. 470 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 5: Doing well as an offense or as a team, right, 471 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 5: somebody has to look like this, Chris Olave pick was 472 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:17,240 Speaker 5: the right pick. 473 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: Right. He's a first round draft pick. Right. 474 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 5: He needs the ball in his hands. Not saying that 475 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 5: Chris is a bad football player. Chris Olave is a 476 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 5: damn good football player. He's a dog, right, and he 477 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 5: should and he deserves the ball in his hands. 478 00:23:27,720 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 2: Right. But at the same time, you know, we've seen 479 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 2: the birth of Rahishahid. 480 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:34,159 Speaker 1: Right who who who? 481 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,399 Speaker 5: Who took off as a New Orleans Saint. Who's a 482 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 5: free agent, undrafted guy, you know, and now he's in Seattle. 483 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 5: He's been able to get paid through throughout this you know, 484 00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 5: his career and things like that. But it wasn't to me. 485 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 5: I realized, it wasn't about how much you loved the game. 486 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 5: It wasn't about how much I showed up early. It 487 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 5: wasn't about how much of a leader I was, or 488 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 5: a veteran I was, or how hard I worked. It 489 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 5: didn't translate into targets, and it wasn't translated into wins. Yeah, 490 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 5: and when I started asking, you know, the harder questions, 491 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 5: no I got, I got silenced in a way, you know. 492 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,639 Speaker 5: And that was and that was my career, honestly, that 493 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 5: was it. That was the last time I played. 494 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: Leonard. I remember talking to a general manager years ago 495 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: and I drafting is hard. In basketball, there's physicality, and 496 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 1: in baseball, you know, pitchers have Tommy John surgery. But 497 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 1: football is different. There are players who, because of their size, 498 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: can dominate in high school and be highly productive in college, 499 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: and then they get to the NFL and they meet 500 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: for the first time in their lives another bully, somebody 501 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: that is physically stronger. I mean, guys like you in 502 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: high school, you dominate, in college, you're the best player, 503 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:57,160 Speaker 1: but you can meet you'll meet another pro on Saturday, 504 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 1: and then you get to the NFL and it's like, yeah, 505 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:03,560 Speaker 1: that's the first time I've gotten tackled bike that's faster 506 00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: than me. Leonard, who was the first What was the 507 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 1: first time because you were the number one running back 508 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: out of high school. I saw your high school video. 509 00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: You were the dominant back in college. Who was the 510 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,439 Speaker 1: first athlete? And it may have been in college in 511 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: the S zero pro you put a move on and 512 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: he sticks you, or you ran to the corner and 513 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: he caught you. Who was the first athlete? You're like, shit, 514 00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 1: he's my equal. 515 00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, And me and Joelvis have talked about this. 516 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 3: I would say, personally, I've never been hit hard or anything, 517 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 3: but I would say when it comes to the mental 518 00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: aspect of the game and them knowing our offense in 519 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 3: and out was Luke Eagley? 520 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 1: Oh yeah? 521 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 3: And when I tell you, man, when we line up 522 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 3: in certain informations, bro and he knew the run was 523 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 3: coming in an exact spot and he'll point there and 524 00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:58,119 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm looking at a signlight, like damn, Like 525 00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 3: what Like to be honest, what do you do? So 526 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 3: it's like running to brick wall. 527 00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 4: You know, you can't change the play. I'm I'm not 528 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 4: the quarterback. I can't change the play. I was the quarterback. 529 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,480 Speaker 4: Was we had a young quarterback was Mitcheu Gardner. 530 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 3: And he's not saying what I'm saying, and you know, 531 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 3: sometimes as a running back, you gotta you gotta gotta 532 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:18,600 Speaker 3: deal with the cards that's been dope to you. 533 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 4: And then that's what it was. 534 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: Jarvis is there? I mean Jarvis. There weren't many guys 535 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 1: that could cover you. But who was Jarvis? Who was 536 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: the first corner that you couldn't shake? 537 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:33,040 Speaker 5: It was, honestly, it was Darrel Revis, Darel Reeves. It 538 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 5: was the first person that you know. He was in 539 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 5: New England at the time, so I saw him twice 540 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,320 Speaker 5: a year when I was here in Miami, and then 541 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 5: he went to the Jets when he finished with the Patriots. 542 00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,400 Speaker 2: But it was him. I was still young, I still 543 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 2: was maturing as a receiver. 544 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 5: He was a much smarter, he was much bigger than 545 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 5: I was, right, and he was just a veteran. He 546 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,920 Speaker 5: knew what I was doing, he knew my splits, he 547 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 5: knew when they put me in certain positions. 548 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 2: What was going on. I tried to like out physical, but. 549 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,960 Speaker 5: He's a grown as man and I'm you know what 550 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm still I'm fresh out of college. You're 551 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 5: grown ass man with kids and a mortgage and all 552 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:12,640 Speaker 5: these things and everything. I tried it just didn't work. 553 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 5: And it wasn't until a couple of years later where 554 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 5: I feel like I personally got the better of him. 555 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 2: But you know, yeah, he was tough. 556 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: Do you think in the end facing him, I mean 557 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 1: literally in the off season, you would you go and 558 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 1: be like, OK, I gotta look at this film. I've 559 00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: got to get better. I mean, like, did deareral Reebis 560 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: make you a better receiver? 561 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 2: Yeah? 562 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,440 Speaker 5: I mean, honestly, it was the thought of those guys, right, 563 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,720 Speaker 5: They was like not mystical figures or anything, but like 564 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 5: it was the thought of those guys of having to 565 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:42,639 Speaker 5: face those guys and actually step up to the plate, 566 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,160 Speaker 5: you know, and do more to this stuff of the plate, 567 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 5: get a hit, right, like get on base. Like For me, 568 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 5: it was really those those those thoughts triggered how I 569 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,120 Speaker 5: worked out. 570 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 2: It triggered the work that think in the off season. 571 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,920 Speaker 5: I didn't have to go and work up work out 572 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 5: against them, but I also knew that if I wanted 573 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,080 Speaker 5: to show up on Sundays, I have to work twice 574 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 5: as hard as these guys, as these guys literally twice 575 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:10,040 Speaker 5: as hard as these guys. I have to use my my, my, 576 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,199 Speaker 5: my youthfulness as a strength. 577 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 2: So if it's a run play, we go, we gonna 578 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: run thirty eys down. 579 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 5: The field, old guy like you know, you know, like 580 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,880 Speaker 5: using you know and I And it helped me develop 581 00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,479 Speaker 5: more tools to be able to beat and slow older 582 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 5: guys down like that. 583 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 2: Who I had tremendous respect. 584 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: For Leonard when you would go like, obviously there's that 585 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,600 Speaker 1: dominating win over the Chiefs in the Super Bowl where 586 00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:37,879 Speaker 1: they just literally couldn't block, they couldn't protect Patrick Mahomes. 587 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: But if you go back, I've always thought this is 588 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: interesting guys, Leonard, do you would you know based on 589 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: a game plan, would you know by Wednesday install? Would 590 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 1: you know this ain't gonna work or this is gonna work. 591 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: Did you have a sense how Sundays we're gonna develop 592 00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: or were there ever massive surprises where you just I mean, 593 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:04,360 Speaker 1: that's what's crazy about the NFL. Like you'll watch Carolina 594 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:08,040 Speaker 1: last year should have beaten the Rams twice. I mean 595 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: I thought the second time, I thought, well, Rams will 596 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: be focused. Shit, they should have beaten them the second time, 597 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,440 Speaker 1: like they just moved the ball on the Rams ate 598 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: when you put the install in, did you generally have 599 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 1: a sense it's not a great install. It's a tremendous install. 600 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: Or did Sundays always surprise you? 601 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 4: Non? So for me? 602 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 3: I think when you look at the quality of our 603 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 3: team yet in Tampa, listen, you can I think we 604 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 3: could be blind. We go out there blind for it, 605 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,640 Speaker 3: and it still probably would have won, you know, because 606 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 3: that's how much faith I hadn't had in those guys 607 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:48,800 Speaker 3: in that locker room and on the offense side of 608 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 3: the ball. Right, And you have a guy like TB 609 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 3: twelve back there that that man I'm talking about, you 610 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:03,400 Speaker 3: talking about you have you have the team got tom meeting, right. 611 00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 4: We go over the plays that the coaches think. 612 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 3: That's gonna work, right, and we have the plays that 613 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,240 Speaker 3: TV twelve thinks it is going to work. 614 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:13,560 Speaker 4: And he likes and he's comfortable with. 615 00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 2: Right. 616 00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: So it's like Monday through Friday. 617 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 3: We're going over the team plays that Saturday walkthrough, all right, 618 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,440 Speaker 3: it's Tommy plays now every ding he just calculated for 619 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 3: that Friday. 620 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 4: He's eliminating what he think we didn't. 621 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 3: We didn't we didn't play as well throughout the week 622 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 3: in practice, right, and now he's gonna put in the 623 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 3: game plan for Sunday. 624 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 4: So I always tell people to play in that office 625 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,080 Speaker 4: with Tom. We have to be smart because you got 626 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:45,760 Speaker 4: to think about this. 627 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 3: Every week we're changing. We have like twenty to thirty 628 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,080 Speaker 3: hand signs. We change on a Saturday. We have to 629 00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 3: know about Sunday. So if you're not writing this down, 630 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: if you're not understanding this, he will not throw you 631 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 3: as the ball. So you might as well just cancel Christmas. 632 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 3: You will not get the ball. He doesn't trust you 633 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 3: to process the information on Saturday and come back Sunday 634 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 3: to carry it out. And that's that's that's what kind 635 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 3: of made us unique. So anything you came at us 636 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 3: with the Monday about plays and everything, we knew we 637 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 3: was gonna dominate it. 638 00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: Even in like the super Bowl. You got two weeks. 639 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,960 Speaker 1: Brady has said about that Super Bowl Tom, Tom said 640 00:31:22,120 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 1: I knew their defense better than they knew their defense. 641 00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: Did you go in with a lot of confidence? 642 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 3: Listen, I can tell you those two weeks of practicing 643 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,080 Speaker 3: and if a guy's at home, don't know where means 644 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:39,640 Speaker 3: we didn't have one mental era in two weeks, not 645 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 3: one mental era. Nobody made a mistake in two weeks. 646 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 3: So so you know, like like when we came out 647 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: to practice. The atmosphere like it's like that you have 648 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: but you ever seen the old Western movies when the 649 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 3: cowboy and ending by the fight, it's like a Western 650 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 3: standoff and the wind the wind did just stop blown one. 651 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: That's how it was every day at practice. That's how 652 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 3: dolls and we was. I promised that, I promised the 653 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,800 Speaker 3: god we was so dolls. Then where the first play? 654 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 3: We just did something. I did this thing on an 655 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,680 Speaker 3: eighty R bomb and I caught it. 656 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:19,640 Speaker 1: Jarvis, did you He talks about his relationship with Brady. Yeah, 657 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,920 Speaker 1: take me to every quarterback you played with. You don't 658 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: have to give me your favorite, but give me the 659 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,240 Speaker 1: quarterback that challenged you the most that you think got 660 00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: the most out of you. 661 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 5: Oh wow, Yeah, I mean I think I think I 662 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 5: think it would probably have to be I think it 663 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,760 Speaker 5: has to be Baker. 664 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,240 Speaker 2: I think I spent the most time with him. 665 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 5: I think at the time when I was in Miami, 666 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 5: you know, you know, with the Adam Gase turnover from 667 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 5: from Joe Philbin and things like that, I think tannel 668 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 5: Hill was still learning how to play quarterback. It was right, 669 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 5: and they were also still they were also still trying 670 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 5: to figure out how they to get him to lead 671 00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:56,240 Speaker 5: the team. 672 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: Right. So you know, I don't really see I wouldn't 673 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: say it was a bat experience, but. 674 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 5: I had more camaraderie with Jay Cutler, right, I had 675 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 5: more with camaraderie with Matt Moore, right when those guys 676 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,160 Speaker 5: came in the game, like they were just gamers. You know, 677 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 5: we didn't get a lot of reps together. We took 678 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 5: some reps together, but we figured it out. I think 679 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 5: the thing with Baker was we both had we shared 680 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,240 Speaker 5: the same you know, winning spirit as far as competing 681 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 5: every day and practice in an off season. You know, 682 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:27,640 Speaker 5: he would fly us out to Texas. We go to 683 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 5: Texas and trained out there for a week. You know, 684 00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:33,040 Speaker 5: We'll go to Yellowstone and train out in the National 685 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,680 Speaker 5: Park where where the infamous Brady and Edelman and all 686 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 5: those guys trained that as well, right, Like, you know, 687 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 5: and I think that that was one of the things 688 00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:45,040 Speaker 5: that for me as a player, helped me become again 689 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 5: become a better choice route runner, right, become a better 690 00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 5: option route runner. 691 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 2: Right. 692 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,680 Speaker 5: And you know, and yeah, we had success together. It 693 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 5: didn't work out obviously, but you know, we had great 694 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 5: success together. 695 00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: It's called fourth and South. Rvis Landry, the five time 696 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: pro bowlder, Leonard Furnette, playoff, Lenny, Big Game, Lenny, Guys, 697 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 1: I know hard Rock Bet loves having you be part 698 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: of it. We at the volume love having both you guys. 699 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: Just keep telling the truth, being as real as possible. 700 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: You're a great listen and you guys remind me a 701 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,960 Speaker 1: little bit of the football version of five twenty, where 702 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,480 Speaker 1: I know I'm getting stories that you know, I'm not 703 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 1: getting from a lot of people. And I appreciate both 704 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 1: of you. 705 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 4: Thank you. 706 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:34,320 Speaker 2: I appreciate you too, man, Thank you.