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Speaker 1: And broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the

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Speaker 1: George Washington Broadcast Center.

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Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 3: I'm strong, and and he I'm strong and Getty strong.

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Speaker 4: Stop and think overall about the social contract?

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Speaker 3: Can part of the.

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Speaker 4: Deal and how we've kept this this democracy's economy of

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Speaker 4: this country on a fairly steady path for more than

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Speaker 4: two hundred years has been that those at the top.

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Speaker 3: Pay a little more in taxes, are a little.

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Speaker 4: Less rich than they otherwise might be, and everybody else

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Speaker 4: at least gets chanced. And what happened when you turn

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Speaker 4: this into the billionaires run at all is they get

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to squeeze every last penny. Yeah, and look,

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Speaker 4: we'll say it over and over. Violence is never the answer.

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Speaker 4: This guy gets a trial who's allegedly killed the CEO

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Speaker 4: of United Health. But you can only push people so

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Speaker 4: far and then they start to take Matterson. It's their

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Speaker 4: own hands.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, none, no, no, no, no, no no no no

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Speaker 5: no no, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Just doing the tomahawk chunk. How in the world does

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Speaker 3: she keep getting elected? Elizabeth Warren? So let's talk about

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Speaker 3: the murder of the healthcare CEO of the reaction to

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Speaker 3: us in all matters healthcare with Craig Gottwalls, Craig the

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Speaker 3: healthcare guru, attorney, law benefit consultant, Benefit or Revolution and

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Speaker 3: good longtime friend of the Ang Show. Craig, how are you, sir?

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Speaker 6: I'm great, gentlemen, Thank you much for having me on.

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Speaker 5: First of all, Joe and I went with humor around

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Speaker 5: the fact that she's a pretend Indian and glossed over

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Speaker 5: how outrageous that is what she just said. So much

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Speaker 5: wrong with that at every level anyway.

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Speaker 3: Now, Craig, is you as a person who has emerged

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Speaker 3: in the world of benefits and health care and insurance

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Speaker 3: and that sort of thing, and a person of good conscience,

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Speaker 3: et cetera, and a student of the media. What have

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Speaker 3: what's your reaction been to the murder and the ensuing discussion.

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Speaker 3: I know you've probably got a million things to say.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the oversimplified reaction I would give is,

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Speaker 6: you know, just the assumption that, like I just don't

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Speaker 6: even engage in the whole concept and the idea of

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Speaker 6: you know, it's appropriate to slaughter people in the streets

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Speaker 6: one individual because you don't like what a whole industry

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Speaker 6: is doing. I mean, obviously it's the most insane, ridiculous, murderous,

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Speaker 6: horrific way you would ever address any issue. And so,

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Speaker 6: of course, I think I think, guys, I think a

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Speaker 6: lot of what you're seeing out there is sort of

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Speaker 6: like you've said in the past, you know, like you're

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Speaker 6: frustrated at something, you're angry at something, and part of

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Speaker 6: humor is the dark sort of stuff that you're not

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Speaker 6: willing to say out loud. And I think a lot

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Speaker 6: of what we're seeing online is probably that, you know,

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Speaker 6: just the irreverent attempts at humor. But I mean, obviously

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Speaker 6: this isn't the way to address the matter. I mean,

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Speaker 6: we've created this government corporate alliance in healthcare that is

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Speaker 6: just bullied the American people for really for sixty years,

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Speaker 6: but most intensely for thirty years, and so you just

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Speaker 6: have tremendous frustration out there, and a lot of people

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Speaker 6: just don't even really understand where they should channel their frustration.

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Speaker 6: So a lot of the frustration channeling, if you will,

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Speaker 6: is falling along party lines, like everything else in our world.

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Speaker 6: So some people blame the government, some people blame private

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Speaker 6: equity and large corporations, and I'm here to tell you

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Speaker 6: there's plenty of blame to go around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The one thing that's frustrated is frustrated me. And

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Speaker 3: maybe you've heard us hammer on it, is that all

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Speaker 3: these people who howling about the greed of the healthcare companies,

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Speaker 3: the insurance companies and all, they never mentioned the unholy

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Speaker 3: nexus with governments and how Obamacare in particular just utterly

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's funny you bring that up. I was thinking

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Speaker 6: of you know that the book that is cited. You know,

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Speaker 6: he had words written on the bullets, and a lot

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Speaker 6: of people jumped on the book Delay Defend, excuse me, Delay, Deny,

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Speaker 6: Defend by Jay Seinman was the book. That book was

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Speaker 6: written in twenty ten. So the reality is there, if

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Speaker 6: there ever was a time when large insurance companies were

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Speaker 6: financially economically motivated to deny claims systematically, that may have

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Speaker 6: economic argument that it's bad for the insurance industry if

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Speaker 6: how they charge more premium. But set that aside. If

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Speaker 6: charge more premium. So it's funny that a lot of

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Speaker 6: this is like you guys talk about when you hear

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Speaker 6: than it's right. Well, that's what's going on here is

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Speaker 6: everybody's talking about this book that was written in twenty

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Speaker 3: Well, that's interesting.

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Speaker 5: And then in his manifesto he talked about how we

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Speaker 5: have the worst life expectancy of any first world country

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Speaker 5: or whatever. And then I heard that broken down yesterday

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Speaker 5: on how there's a number of reasons why that's inaccurate.

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Speaker 5: We count a life expectancy different than a lot of

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Speaker 3: If you take all those out, our life expectancy is.

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Speaker 5: Pretty good, and it's got nothing to do None of

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Speaker 5: those things have anything to do with health insurance.

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Speaker 3: No, you're exactly right, Jack, and deathly sentinel has nothing

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Speaker 3: go ahead, Craig.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, no, no, I was just going to say, and

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Speaker 6: thing we have gotten incredibly good at as a society,

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Speaker 6: it's keeping people along who have acute conditions gunshot wounds,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well I'd like to hear more about that.

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Speaker 3: people are not hip to this, the relationship between government

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Speaker 3: how Congress has handled the whole thing.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, so this this started all the way back in

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Speaker 6: the late nineties. It started It started with Clinton. Bush

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Speaker 6: But what happened starting in the nineties was medical inflation,

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Speaker 6: like true inflation, what hospitals and doctors needed to treat

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Speaker 6: One of the ways they would pass these massive boondog

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Speaker 6: So what they would say is, well, we're going to

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Speaker 6: that's how we're going to fund whatever pet project we're

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Speaker 6: Medicare and Medicaid payments have not kept up with true

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Speaker 6: Congress that has said, look, we'll keep the Medicare reimbursements

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Speaker 3: And then Congress found a way to compel doctors and

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Speaker 6: Well compels. There's still there's no compel there. You can

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Speaker 6: But it's still incredibly rare because there's this well A,

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Speaker 5: That number that you just hit us with only a

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Speaker 5: we got our insurance through our company at work, only

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Speaker 6: Us, Well I should, yeah, I should be more specific

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Speaker 6: with that, Jackets. It's probably closer to forty percent. I'm

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Speaker 6: forty percent are actually getting their healthcare at work. But

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Speaker 6: you know, some of us work for cities and states

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Speaker 6: and governments, et cetera. It's always way more complicated than

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Speaker 3: Of course, of course, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 6: One of the things one of the things we hit on. Hold,

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Speaker 6: I want to hit this Joe real quick, if you

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Speaker 6: don't mind, go ahead. Mentioned recently that we talked about

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Speaker 6: knew it blew your mind when we spoke about it privately.

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Speaker 6: It's about one hundred million Americans. Roughly thirty percent of

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Speaker 6: the person paying the claims behind the scene is your employer,

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Speaker 5: Oftentimes it's your company that you work for hiding behind

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Speaker 7: Stay tuned the Armstrong and Getty show, yea or Jack

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Speaker 8: You know what's annoying me about this this kid who

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Speaker 6: It's horrific. But you don't fix that by randomly slaughtering

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Speaker 6: Yeah, as you just mentioned before, I made a housing

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Speaker 6: the reality is, as a guy who installs large insurance plans,

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Speaker 6: we got to transfer risk for certain things. But if

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Speaker 3: And we'll have a link at Armstrong in getty dot

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Speaker 3: I've just become aware of Scott Jennings because he has

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Speaker 3: that's over. I really hope that's over. What we all

435
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 3: hope for is those radicals just nasty people. Don't have

436
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 3: the juice to end your career anymore because your management,

437
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 3: your corporate godfathers are such cowards. They're not going to

438
00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 3: stand up to the crap. It's easier to fire you,

439
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:27,200
Speaker 3: and they'll say on the way out. You know, Jim,

440
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm really sorry about this. I mean, it's really unfortunate

441
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 3: they don't have the balls to say because you said

442
00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 3: nothing wrong. But these people are so mad. I'm going

443
00:23:35,880 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: to capitulate to them. But that's what they're thinking, stand

444
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Speaker 3: up to it.

445
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Speaker 5: I'm less optimistic on the illegal immigration part because I've

446
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 5: been fooled before. But on the trans and anti racist

447
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 5: and what was the other one I was going to

448
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 5: include in that It'll come to me.

449
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Speaker 3: But on a couple of those, is it possible? Oh,

450
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Speaker 3: the climate change? Is it possible.

451
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Speaker 5: We're on the other side of those, and we just all, unfortunately,

452
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:05,640
Speaker 5: those of us of a certain age, just lived through

453
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 5: this really weird time.

454
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're things. People said, all kinds of crazy stuff

455
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 3: and you had to.

456
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Speaker 5: Go along with it.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

458
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Speaker 3: I think we're at this stage of it where the

459
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 3: troops are rallied. Were aware, we're fired up. But you

460
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 3: got to remember the enemy is absolutely running our nation's

461
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 3: educational complex right now and our media and entertainment. But

462
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 3: education is the most insidious part because they're indoctrinating our kids.

463
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:33,720
Speaker 3: So yeah, the battle has just begun. Here's another great one,

464
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:38,120
Speaker 3: another one of these insane ideas that we've been forced

465
00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:43,240
Speaker 3: to pretend are not idiotic, The idea that children should,

466
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 3: without parental consultation or consent, be free to choose their gender,

467
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,879
Speaker 3: be assisted by the state in committing acts of self

468
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: mutilation to do so, and all on the understanding that

469
00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,440
Speaker 3: we have repealed millennia of science and just discovered there's

470
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,919
Speaker 3: no such thing as biological sex. Bull ass. Cut the crap.

471
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Speaker 5: I think that one is the biggest anchor around Gavin

472
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 5: Newsom's neck. If he tries to run for president, How's

473
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 5: he gonna How's he gonna deal with that.

474
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:21,160
Speaker 3: Expiring experimenting on in mutilating children because they're momentarily confused

475
00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: and I have adolescence, and Gavin signed in law the

476
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:25,920
Speaker 3: idea that the schools can keep it a secret from you,

477
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: so that in fact they must, How does how does

478
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 3: he deal with that? I want that's one of the

479
00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,600
Speaker 3: reasons I want him to run. I want him to

480
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,919
Speaker 3: be beaten like a drum for these reasons, because it's

481
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 3: important to defeat this crap. There's a little more more

482
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 3: of the Emperor's new clothes, that people have just been

483
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 3: walking around silently pretending they didn't notice or too afraid

484
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: to resist the idea that democracy and freedom are best

485
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 3: protected by denying people the right to express certain views

486
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Speaker 3: that the authorities deem misinformation and by weaponi using the

487
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: law against political opponents lest they weaponize the law for

488
00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:08,840
Speaker 3: political purposes. That's a good one. They're actually democrats out

489
00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: right now saying, hey, you know, weaponizing law against candidates

490
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 3: is probably a bad strategy, admitting that that was the strategy.

491
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:20,439
Speaker 3: So ambitious elites in business and civil society went along

492
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 3: with these fictions. Politicians on all sides, including Republicans, declined

493
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:29,879
Speaker 3: to dissent for fear of being called out. And here's

494
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: where Gerard Baker gives Trump a fair amount of credit.

495
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: It took a man with some of the instincts of

496
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:40,760
Speaker 3: a child, a political angenoux newcomer, lacking the sophistication to

497
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: participate in the sham, to call the whole thing out

498
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 3: for what it was. And then he makes it clear

499
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 3: that he's not like totally in on Trump and his

500
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 3: plans and his policies and the rest of it. But

501
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 3: for God's sake, we needed to call bulls on the bulls.

502
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: But here's what I'm optimistic about. He says, four years

503
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:04,280
Speaker 3: from now, there's a good chance that the nonsense we

504
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,960
Speaker 3: have had to endure will be buried, that important things

505
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,080
Speaker 3: will become normal again. It will have become normal to

506
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 3: tell people they have who have no right to be here,

507
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 3: that they must leave. That In the process, people around

508
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,919
Speaker 3: the world will have been made to understand that they

509
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 3: don't have an automatic right to live in the freest,

510
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 3: most prosperous country on earth. Then he goes on the children.

511
00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: You know, I'm going to hit this because it's one

512
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: of my jihods. It will have become normal again for

513
00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 3: children to be helped to respond to the inevitable strains

514
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: and traumas of growing up, not by having their genitals

515
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 3: cut out, but by receiving loving guidance, guidance and care

516
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 3: from family and society. Got the crab. I hope that's true.

517
00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 3: I hope that's true. I think it's true. So yeah,

518
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 3: but I give you it's going to be longer and

519
00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 3: harder battle than four years.

520
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: Man.

521
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:54,199
Speaker 3: The university system and their influence on the elementary education

522
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 3: system and secondary It's going to be a long, hard fight,

523
00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: but I'm up for it. Are you?

524
00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:14,199
Speaker 2: Jack Armstrong and Joe Gerty Armstrong and Getty Showy, Chris Ruffo,

525
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: you know him, you love him with a great piece.

526
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 3: Why Boeing killed Dei and the lead is the important

527
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:25,119
Speaker 3: part of reckoning is underway in corporate America. You remember,

528
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 3: after the death of George Floyd in twenty twenty, likely

529
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,720
Speaker 3: every fortune five hundred company launched a diversity, equity and

530
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:34,040
Speaker 3: inclusion program with very serious faces as they were running

531
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 3: terrified from the Marxists who claimed racial justice was their motivation.

532
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 3: But now four short years later, many companies are quietly

533
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 3: acknowledging the failure of these initiatives, in some cases winding

534
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:49,960
Speaker 3: them down. And Rufo has been writing about Dei at

535
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 3: Boeing for a while. He's got an inside source, well placed,

536
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 3: high up, that described it this way quote, I thought

537
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 3: this was really good. DEI is the you put in

538
00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: the bucket and the whole bucket changes. It is anti excellence,

539
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: and because it is ill defined, it becomes part of

540
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 3: the culture.

541
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Speaker 5: That is some of the most evocative phrasing I've ever heard. Yeah,

542
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 5: the drop you put in the bucket, and it changes

543
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 5: the whole bucket. That's interesting, folks.

544
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 3: You've become aware that the whole woke thing, DEI anti

545
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 3: racism thing, you can't win. It's a constantly moving target.

546
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 3: If you say you're not a racist, you're a racist.

547
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 3: And if you say you're a racist, you're a racist.

548
00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: But either way you shut up. We're in charge. There's

549
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 3: no way to win against the woke people. That's not

550
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 3: part of it. They're not talking to you to come

551
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: to an understanding. They're talking to you to rule you.

552
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: And more people are understanding that. And in the context

553
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 3: of Boeing, obviously you know the doors are falling off

554
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 3: your planes for instance. Yeah, earlier this month, Bowing installed

555
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: new CEO Kelly Ortberg, quietly dismantled the DEI department and

556
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: accept the resignation of the office's vice president. So Rufo

557
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 3: reached out to the same insider to get insight onto

558
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: what happened and how it happened. And he says, tell

559
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: us what happened with DEI. It went from dominant to

560
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 3: extinct in a very short period of time. The insider says,

561
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 3: we're shifting from a company whose culture is simply the

562
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 3: average of corporate America to a distinct and deliberate vision

563
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 3: of leadership. The new boss wants Boeing focused on being

564
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 3: an airplane company with our own culture and vision. The

565
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 3: resulting cash crunch from the crunch from the strike accelerated

566
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 3: this culture shift. When you start to focus on delivering

567
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 3: value instead of preserving status, it becomes obvious what drives

568
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 3: value and it's not DI. And then he gets into

569
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Speaker 3: He asked my senses that many executives are not genuinely

570
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: committed to DEI as an ideology. They simply want to

571
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Speaker 3: build airplanes or create software, for instance, but they feel

572
00:30:56,600 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: social pressure to maintain these departments. Is that true at Boeing?

573
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: So when did the calculus change? And the answer is

574
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,520
Speaker 3: DEI is lazy thought. Leadership best practiced by companies in

575
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 3: smooth waters with margins large enough to afford the associated inefficiency.

576
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 3: That isn't Boeing today. When the new boss prioritized results

577
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 3: over fitting in with other CEOs, it sends a strong

578
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 3: signal to the culture and builds trust because employees know

579
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 3: the rules and it's clear how to succeed through hard

580
00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 3: work and results. McKinsey's at the consulting group now debunked.

581
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: Analysis was the standard driver in corporate boardrooms. But even

582
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: if DEI has to defend itself on purely logical grounds,

583
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,240
Speaker 3: it doesn't stand up going More than anything needs an

584
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 3: aligned workforce focused on building airplanes. And it's an easy

585
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 3: decision to reject the divisive and US centric language of

586
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: DEI in favor of unified vision for a diverse global company. Anyway,

587
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 3: I thought that that was really good just as a

588
00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 3: description of how it works.

589
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: And DEI could go away under a Trump administration which

590
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 5: won't be working to push that on corporate America, Whereas

591
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 5: if the Kamala Harris administration, there would have been so

592
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 5: much pressure on all these companies to continue that or

593
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 5: added if they hadn't already.

594
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 3: Right, And it's a bludgeon again, it's not about racial

595
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 3: justice or any of the things that claims to be about.

596
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 3: Like in Jacks scenario, which is a good one, the

597
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 3: Harris administration wanted Boeing to suddenly, you know, unionize its

598
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: last three facilities or something like that. Well, then they

599
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: can hammer them with DEI stuff or through their DEI

600
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: executives and get them on their knees begging for mercy

601
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 3: because they were being accused of racism. It's the old

602
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 3: Jesse Jackson operation push blackmail scam. You don't want racial justice,

603
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 3: you want something else, but you use claims of racial

604
00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 3: injustice to get there. It's the race hustler thing. Anyway,

605
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 3: I thought this was good too. From the National Review,

606
00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:54,840
Speaker 3: Lathan Watts. DEI is a corporate bust, and he starts

607
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 3: about the He starts with the wild overreaction to the

608
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 3: death of George Floyd and how all the corporations were terrified,

609
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 3: and how Robbie Starbuck, the filmmaker, has been using sunlight

610
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 3: as the best disinfectant, and he's brought failed policies that

611
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 3: are legally questionable and highly unpopular with consumers to the

612
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 3: attention the general public and the shareholders of these corporations.

613
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 3: As a result, some of the best known brands in

614
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: the country have hastily canceled their DEI programs and cut

615
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: ties with the far left Human Rights Campaign, which pressures

616
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: companies to do things like cover sex hormones and puberty

617
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 3: blockers for miners. Wow, monstrous Nazi like experiments on children.

618
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 3: Has to cover that stuff and their insurance plan wow

619
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Speaker 3: yeah yeah, And I thought this was interesting. Unwilling to

620
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 3: let the practical failure of a policy distract from the

621
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 3: political fervor, forty nine members of Congress, keeping in mind

622
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 3: their four hundred and thirty five of these geeks, spurred

623
00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 3: on signed an open letter to Fortune one thousand businesses

624
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 3: demanding that they doubled down on DEI. But these companies

625
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 3: have recently received two more open letters encouraging them to

626
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: hold the line in favor of healthy ROI return on

627
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 3: investment or feeble DEI ideology. I like that slogan OREI,

628
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: not DEI for the companies I want to invest in.

629
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 3: I love that the second of those two letters came

630
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 3: from seventeen state treasurers and other financial officials, state of

631
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: financial officials who are responsible for the gigantic state investment

632
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,840
Speaker 3: vehicles that hold billions of dollars in ownership positions in

633
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 3: these companies for their retirees and that sort of thing.

634
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 3: And unlike the partisan gamesmanship paraphrasing the piece of the

635
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 3: National Review here where the forty nine Congress geeks liberal

636
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 3: CULTI jackasses are saying you've got to double down on DII,

637
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 3: these people are saying, hey, we don't have the luxury

638
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: of you and your virtue signaling crap. Run your company

639
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: for efficiency, please not to please AOC. And so it's

640
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 3: good to see you. Remember it was what a year

641
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 3: ago I started saying. And all DEI programs now wherever

642
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 3: they exist, and it's happening in spades. Hurrah, hurrah, better

643
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 3: for black people, better for white and Hispanic people. People,

644
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,240
Speaker 3: in short, go get them awesome. The Tide Shirt turned

645
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: on that whole thing fast. Yeah, although it is still

646
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 3: monstrous in academia, media, Hollywood, and government in government itself, friends,

647
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 3: which is why I am always saying, this is just

648
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: the end of the beginning.

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