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Speaker 1: I need to get into this thing real quick, guys.
Speaker 1: I need to get into Scott. I always always run
Speaker 1: out of time, so I want to make sure this.
Speaker 1: This is Brian brought a special here, boys, This is
Speaker 1: I want to know the best combinations, best combinations, best
Speaker 1: possibility of like the first three picks. This is great
Speaker 1: because at eight o'clock this morning you were like, what
Speaker 1: the hell are we going to talk about today? No,
Speaker 1: I just know, Dank. Wait, come some stuff. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: give you some combinations out there, guys, and everybody kind
Speaker 1: of fall along with me here please if you do,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you out there. By the way. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: start with this combination of Ridley Jewel Bates. Okay, got
Speaker 1: that combination wide receiver, Rita Jewel Bates safety. Yeah, my combination,
Speaker 1: first combination and so word, And for the sakes of
Speaker 1: this exercise, don't We're not quibbling about range, no grade,
Speaker 1: just kind of just just take it for what it's worth.
Speaker 1: How about this one? How about more DJ Moore Shepherd
Speaker 1: and more the safety from Southern miss and Shepherd being
Speaker 1: the d tackle out of Fort Hayes, Yes, yes, yes,
Speaker 1: the Fort Hayes defensive tackle. How about this one. McGlinchey,
Speaker 1: just Sicky Warner. Got that one. Two offensive guys and
Speaker 1: a linebacker. Yeah, just McGlinchey, just Sicky Warner. Here's my
Speaker 1: next one, Vanderish Harrison Saint Brown maybe a little, maybe
Speaker 1: a little, Ronnie Harrison, Ronnie Harrison, right, Yeah, Ronnie Harrison say,
Speaker 1: we might be stretching the truth a little on some
Speaker 1: of these, but that's okay. Well, maybe you trade up Brown,
Speaker 1: would Nimius Saint Brown? Yeah? Okay? Number five Landry Miller
Speaker 1: wide receiver from Memphis, Leonard from South Carolina State. Landry Miller, Leonard,
Speaker 1: South Carolina State. Number six Evans chark sonat South Florida
Speaker 1: defensive tackle. You with me, guys, Yeah, No, Hernandez Gallop
Speaker 1: Avery with me on that one. Memphis lineback, yeah, Colorado
Speaker 1: statewide receiver right, and the uteph guard and number eight
Speaker 1: veya Golden Hamilton, the wide receiver from Penn State. Those
Speaker 1: are my guys. That's eight. That's eight scenario. Eight scenarios
Speaker 1: of combinations of guys, and like, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: the names. The names probably aren't precise, but I love
Speaker 1: think about. Okay, there'll give me some trade ups, but
Speaker 1: not well not only that, but it just it gives
Speaker 1: you a good idea of the type of thing you
Speaker 1: can expect, because, like I said, maybe maybe some of
Speaker 1: the names are wrong, but like that's I really feel
Speaker 1: like this is the type of stuff you're gonna see.
Speaker 1: These are the types of picks you're gonna see. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now, I got I got
Speaker 1: eyes for a couple of them. A couple of them. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me ask you the one. What's the one that
Speaker 1: makes the most sense for the Cowboys. I've got my
Speaker 1: eye on two, the one that makes the most sense
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys. If you look at those eight, give
Speaker 1: me the one that makes the most sense for the
Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys. There's two right in the middle that I
Speaker 1: think are really really nice for what this team wants
Speaker 1: and needs. Uh And it starts and their their defense heavy.
Speaker 1: Which the one I like the best because I've been
Speaker 1: saying this. You get Harold Landry at nineteen, a solid receiver,
Speaker 1: and ant Any Miller at fifty, and then a linebacker
Speaker 1: who maybe he's not a bona fide starting stud, but
Speaker 1: he's a guy who comes in and bolsters your linebacker corps.
Speaker 1: That Darius Leonard you get him at eighty one athlete
Speaker 1: love that. Yeah, right on top of that, I love
Speaker 1: you make you make the middle of your defense better
Speaker 1: right away with Layton vander esh and Ronnie Harrison in
Speaker 1: the first two picks. And then if Equanimius Saint Brown
Speaker 1: is there at eighty one, which I don't really believe
Speaker 1: that'll happen, but if he is, okay, so all over
Speaker 1: that it's not even funny. So the one you like
Speaker 1: the best was Landry Landry Miller absolutely, how about you there,
Speaker 1: scout man. I highlighted three scenarios that were free. Well,
Speaker 1: just that were my favorite. Yeah, okay, I can't have
Speaker 1: all nine players. Oh no, I mean yeah, I would
Speaker 1: give me give me your best scenario. Well, I mean
Speaker 1: it's different from what is probably most realisticpared to what
Speaker 1: I would do. You know what I think? Oh? Sure,
Speaker 1: like the combination of more Shepherd more. I'll love that.
Speaker 1: DJ Moore's literally three of his pet casts exactly one Hall.
Speaker 1: Oh you're doing you're doing cartwheels. You get that Adrean
Speaker 1: Shephard I've been talking about since November. I first saw
Speaker 1: him out of Ford Hay State, and then Moore, who
Speaker 1: finally is blowing up. He's your free safety that I
Speaker 1: think we don't talk enough about this team needing a
Speaker 1: free say. Oh no, I agree with you about that, Glad.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said that we can get into that. Lady.
Speaker 1: He's one of the few in that same vein Ridley
Speaker 1: Jewel Bates. You get your get the best receiver in
Speaker 1: the Drafty, you get your mic linebacker, get your free safety. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And I think you're getting three really good players. So
Speaker 1: those two and then the third that I highlighted was
Speaker 1: the first one that Dave said, with Landry Millard Leonard,
Speaker 1: I like all three players. Landry is a top. I
Speaker 1: think he's thirteen over on my board. Miller is number three,
Speaker 1: the number three receiver on my board. And then I
Speaker 1: think Leonard that's a good value in the third round.
Speaker 1: So one of those three scenarios would be I would
Speaker 1: hope that's the direction they would go. Nobody highlighted McGlinchey, Well,
Speaker 1: just Sicky and Warner. I'm glad you brought that up
Speaker 1: for me because you you I already told you this upstairs.
Speaker 1: Oh tell me tell me more, Dave, I would hate
Speaker 1: that so much for this for this team, but it
Speaker 1: does it make the most sense. It makes no sense
Speaker 1: at all. But if you move, if you moved, if
Speaker 1: you if it makes no sense for me, period. I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk about it in the stance of
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. But in terms of the scenarios you like McGlinchey,
Speaker 1: I don't think. No, I don't like him for I
Speaker 1: don't like either of those two picks for this team.
Speaker 1: But just in general, yeah, just in general, you're just
Speaker 1: talking about the draft. That's probably the best bang for
Speaker 1: your buck of these entire eight because you're getting the
Speaker 1: best tackle in the draft, and I think the best
Speaker 1: tight end in the draft just overall, just overall, not
Speaker 1: for this team, but I mean a tight end who
Speaker 1: can do what Jesseki does is very intriguing. And then
Speaker 1: you get a solid linebacker and Warner. If if I'm
Speaker 1: just looking at that from a perspective of just the draft,
Speaker 1: I think it's great. I hate it for the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: But is there one you hate more? Well, let me
Speaker 1: ask you about that, let me ask you about the
Speaker 1: McGlinchey just Sicky Warner one. Yeah, I mean I think
Speaker 1: a lot of what Dave said is I mean spot on.
Speaker 1: I think for this team, like Okay, Warner is not
Speaker 1: the mic linebacker, right, He's probably a week a week
Speaker 1: the will maybe play the sam though too, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I probably, But I mean I think Nickel play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I think this team wants the mic, and I
Speaker 1: don't know how he I don't know if he's a
Speaker 1: great fit, even though I do like him. I have
Speaker 1: him as a second round player Kausiki. He's just not
Speaker 1: the style of tight end this team wants, or the runner,
Speaker 1: the blocker, excuse me for the running game, right, I mean,
Speaker 1: unless you're gonna just totally change your philosophy how you
Speaker 1: use your tight ends. Right, He's not a guy that
Speaker 1: you feel comfortable lining up in line consistently and yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, doing what Jason Witten does. So I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean McGlinchey, I mean, I'm fine with mcglinchy because
Speaker 1: it stabilizes your right tackle position, you move Collins inside, whatever,
Speaker 1: um whatever. It's not. It's not a bad pick. It's
Speaker 1: just one of those all right, fine, we'll we'll do it.
Speaker 1: And it's not glamorous, but it's it helps the football team.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. It's not a bad scenario by
Speaker 1: any means terrible scenario for the Dallas Cowboys. What's the
Speaker 1: one the scenari that would be the biggest reach, the
Speaker 1: biggest reach for you, if you if if you said,
Speaker 1: and again we talk about, you know, potentially where they're
Speaker 1: on the board, there might be some guys they have
Speaker 1: to take around early. Well and so, and I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to knock you, but just a reach for me,
Speaker 1: it is probably the vander esh one. I think you obviously,
Speaker 1: I think you can get vander Esh at nineteen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know that he'll be either what hey, great, awesome,
Speaker 1: that's a fake pen drop right there. Oh darn. I
Speaker 1: don't know that Ronnie Harrison lasts to fifty and I
Speaker 1: certainly don't know that Equanimius same Brown lasts to eighty one.
Speaker 1: So that's the one that probably be the most unders.
Speaker 1: That's probably why it's so appealing is because we're getting
Speaker 1: players we shouldn't be getting with our pick. That's like
Speaker 1: the Scout draft or the Yeah that's the fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got Chubb at nineteen. Yeah. The one that said
Speaker 1: out to me that I would not like probably is
Speaker 1: her Nan. I mean, I love well Hernandez. I don't
Speaker 1: want Avery in the third. Avery's not a third round
Speaker 1: player to me, and I don't He's just say I'm
Speaker 1: only I don't think he's a mic so for me,
Speaker 1: so I don't like that scenario. I mean Gallup, I like,
Speaker 1: I think he you know, he's solid. Hernandez is a
Speaker 1: good player. So I'm okay with the first two picks,
Speaker 1: but Avery, I don't want. So that's if you could
Speaker 1: plug somebody else in it, Avery spot, then I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm kind of putting you on the spot right there.
Speaker 1: But they went Hernandez Gallup, Yeah, super complique Jefferson. Oh okay,
Speaker 1: if we're looking for a third round okay, okay, I
Speaker 1: put plug Jefferson in there. What does that do to you? Then?
Speaker 1: If I said, it's a lot more Hernandez Gallop Jefferson,
Speaker 1: what would that have done to you? As far as
Speaker 1: the relation to the other guys, that's a lot more appealing,
Speaker 1: because how would one of your top ones. We know
Speaker 1: that we didn't want the guard every well no, yeah
Speaker 1: we know Amanti of I got that ye with the
Speaker 1: moves that this team has made in free agency. Like
Speaker 1: I said, I'm a lot more open to guard now
Speaker 1: in the first round because I don't feel like they
Speaker 1: address the need the need at left guard, like sure
Speaker 1: they could have in free agency. Sure. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm a lot more open to guard in the
Speaker 1: because in the second third round there's not a lot
Speaker 1: of value unless you get in Austin Corbit or someone
Speaker 1: like that. Can you let me pull this back away
Speaker 1: from just these twenty four specific nulle It just makes
Speaker 1: me wonder, you know, like the thought process we talk
Speaker 1: so much about vander esh and Rashaan Evans because it's,
Speaker 1: you know, similar to the kind of married well, similar
Speaker 1: to the taco thing. It's like, well, we probably got
Speaker 1: to get this guy at nineteen if we were. But
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this and I'm thinking, should I feel
Speaker 1: more optimistic than I than I do that you can
Speaker 1: get a linebacker who fits your need on day two,
Speaker 1: whether that's Josie Jewel, whether that's Warner, whether that's um
Speaker 1: Malik Jefferson throw. I mean, yeah, should I feel more
Speaker 1: optimistic than I do? Or is my attitude that you
Speaker 1: might want to get that guy at nineteen the right one?
Speaker 1: You want to get the right one. But Okay, besides
Speaker 1: Josie Jewel, who else are we looking at? Uh? Well?
Speaker 1: And even push it back to the third Darius Leonard,
Speaker 1: Fred Warren m Malik Jefferson, Like, is that good value?
Speaker 1: Is what I'm trying. I mean, if they don't, all
Speaker 1: you got is what's here? You know, you signed Joe Thomas,
Speaker 1: you got Jalen, you got Lee. If they wait until
Speaker 1: Friday to draft that position, is that okay? Because in
Speaker 1: my head, I really don't think it is. But we're
Speaker 1: going through all these names and maybe it is. I
Speaker 1: don't know what do y'all think? Yeah, No, that's a
Speaker 1: good because I still believe in that in the first
Speaker 1: taking the best player, you know, like I, but you
Speaker 1: have to forecast what the second and third rounds look like.
Speaker 1: You have to look forward and say, okay, if we're
Speaker 1: going with player A here, okay, the positions we're looking
Speaker 1: at in the second and third So that does factor in.
Speaker 1: That's you know, I love Josie Jewel. Yeah, you know
Speaker 1: at fifty that would make sense. Um. And then in
Speaker 1: the third round, I said, I don't know if Warrener's
Speaker 1: the best fit. Would Jefferson get drafted before Jewel? Just
Speaker 1: based on athleticism, it's certainly possible. Jewel improved his numbers
Speaker 1: at his pro day. I don't know. To me, Jewel
Speaker 1: the film is just so good on fuel. But but
Speaker 1: are people gonna just ding him because the athletic testing
Speaker 1: and you've predicted that before the combine. Yeah, and I
Speaker 1: think it's definitely possible because teams would get so infatuated
Speaker 1: with the numbers. So yeah, definitely possible that could happen.
Speaker 1: And Darius Leonards is the kind of the wild card
Speaker 1: and a smaller school guy who has a lot of ability,
Speaker 1: Like if you went in the second round, that wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprising. Yeah, So you know, I think, going along
Speaker 1: with what you're saying, you know, you almost have to
Speaker 1: take one of those linebackers at fifty, whether that's Jewel, Leonard,
Speaker 1: you know, whoever. You want to make sure you get
Speaker 1: which And I think my stock answer when people ask
Speaker 1: me this stuff is, you know, if it were up
Speaker 1: to me, I love DJ Moore. I drafted him at nineteen,
Speaker 1: But trying to think like the Cowboys, I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: that because I like my odds that I can find
Speaker 1: a receiver I feel good about in the second or
Speaker 1: third round way more than I do linebacker. But we're
Speaker 1: sitting here talking about it and is my attitude about that, right?
Speaker 1: Or am I not giving the Day two linebackers enough credit?
Speaker 1: I think you're right because you know, if Layton, Vander
Speaker 1: es Ra, Shaun Evans are there at nineteen, I think
Speaker 1: that's the lead horse. I think that's the favorite. I
Speaker 1: think you're right too, So, which the fact that they
Speaker 1: think that tells that I mean again, my opinion doesn't
Speaker 1: really matter as much as what they think, which is
Speaker 1: why I go back to that time and time again,
Speaker 1: and so I want to convince myself that I can
Speaker 1: believe in one of these Day two linebackers. But I
Speaker 1: think the smart money is nineteen, right, And we look
Speaker 1: at Okay, they're doing a lot of work on DJ Chark. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and DJ Chark is someone that might or
Speaker 1: might not be there at fifty, right, you know he's
Speaker 1: in that range. Is he in the same boat like
Speaker 1: Miller gives Miller of fifty? Yeah? Yeah, So how about
Speaker 1: Washington because there's another guy that they had a thirty
Speaker 1: visit on. Yeah, can I this is I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: just throwing out if you're talking, I'm not. I'm not
Speaker 1: trying to throw this out like I came up with
Speaker 1: it all on my own. Anybody with half a brain
Speaker 1: who follows the draft could do this. But it just
Speaker 1: kind of hit me this morning that you know, we've
Speaker 1: you know, they traded up from forty eight to thirty
Speaker 1: four for d Law sure it was or forty seven,
Speaker 1: whatever it was. I mean, maybe you're looking at a
Speaker 1: scenario where if you're you know, we talk about nineteen
Speaker 1: to twelve all the time, if you're willing to jump
Speaker 1: from fifty to the mid forties, Oh no, we've talked
Speaker 1: about You're right about that, you could probably get most
Speaker 1: of the risk. I mean, most of those guys will
Speaker 1: be there for you. I feel like, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: I would imagine Ridley and Moore are definitely gone, Chark
Speaker 1: might be gone, Sutton might be gone. But do you
Speaker 1: feel like those that might be something boy look into.
Speaker 1: Do you feel like his point though the run of
Speaker 1: the receivers is going to start at the top of
Speaker 1: the second or what position are we gonna get the
Speaker 1: run on? I think they're good chance. I'm I'm kind
Speaker 1: of glad you mentioned Sutton. I think we need to
Speaker 1: talk more about No, that's that's fair, because he's part
Speaker 1: of this whole thing, right, Yeah, Well, and The big
Speaker 1: thing with Sutton that we've said from day one, he's
Speaker 1: a protecyplical x he exactly. You know, it's very similar
Speaker 1: to Dez Bryant. We don't need to talk about him. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: well now with everything going on with des Broun, Oh no,
Speaker 1: you're right, we need to talk more about Yeah. And
Speaker 1: if he's yeah, I mean he could go in the
Speaker 1: late first easily, or he could go in the early second.
Speaker 1: And so yeah, I think we're gonna see that run
Speaker 1: on receivers and Courtland Sutton's not gonna last very long.
Speaker 1: I wonder if people excuse me that, I wonder if
Speaker 1: people are gonna just say, you know, with the way
Speaker 1: the receivers have gone the last several years, that we
Speaker 1: could just wait into the second round and get a
Speaker 1: better receiver than well, yeah, you look at the receivers
Speaker 1: in the first round the last few years. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: lot of duds. Yeah, I mean two years ago with
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman, Laquon Treadwell, Dockson, oh yeah, last year in
Speaker 1: the top three, in the top ten with Corey Davis,
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, John Ross, all these receivers. Now, I think
Speaker 1: it's unfair to say, oh, we shouldn't take a first
Speaker 1: end right over this year, because you know, scouts sometimes
Speaker 1: think that way. Yeah, you know, you're right. Everybody just
Speaker 1: conveniently leaves out twenty fourteen when they have that conversation too.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, in the last three years, they're all
Speaker 1: bus well, what about in the last four years because
Speaker 1: fourteen was pretty bad at heavens. Yeah, yeah, yeah, So
Speaker 1: I'm not really trying to okay, we think, okay, just
Speaker 1: to kind of who's your favorite on this? By the way,
Speaker 1: all these these eight scenarios gonna say something terrible. I'm
Speaker 1: a fan of the More. I'm the fan of the
Speaker 1: More Shepherd More. Yeah, the law firm of More Shepherd More.
Speaker 1: That does no, I mean that's a that's it. I'll
Speaker 1: tell you what though, Landry Miller Leonard is not bad either,
Speaker 1: not bad, I think, not bad. Off my sheet here, No,
Speaker 1: I wasn't the whole wasn't the whole point we haven't
Speaker 1: talked about Yeah, but we hadn't talked about the veya
Speaker 1: Gulden Hamilton. When is that just is that just kind
Speaker 1: of a mah, I don't want to I'll say it. Well, Golden, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I like Hamilton. I'd rather get the first round pick, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's got It's got nothing to do with what I
Speaker 1: think of Vida Veya as a player. But I've said
Speaker 1: this a million times. I'll believe they draft a d
Speaker 1: tackle in the first round when I see it. So
Speaker 1: when I see that, I'm just like, okay, whatever, and
Speaker 1: then all I mean, I told you it's not that
Speaker 1: I dislike Golden, but I like y'all hype him up
Speaker 1: to the point where I'm scared. He's a badass. Y'all
Speaker 1: talk about him like he's gonna be no watch him,
Speaker 1: y'all talk about it. He goes somewhere else. That's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, you're like, who's camp chance. They did
Speaker 1: that same thing with that Iowa kid last year with
Speaker 1: the Charger. Oh he can't run, he can't run. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna that son of a gun is a football player.
Speaker 1: I will have talked about him a bunch. Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I will absolutely give you all the credit you deserve.
Speaker 1: You should give us credit. I'm scared because you two
Speaker 1: think he's Cam Chancellor and nobody else is. Oh, he'll
Speaker 1: get his uniform. I think he's an outstanding Nickel safety
Speaker 1: in this draft that he's gonna be a phenomenal player.
Speaker 1: He will. He's gonna be a mean SOB for somebody's team.
Speaker 1: I wish it was my team, Cincinnati, where are you?
Speaker 1: Maybe it will be my Bengals. By the way, in
Speaker 1: my seven round mock draft that I did to all
Speaker 1: two hundred fifty six picks, Antonio Callaway in the fifth round,
Speaker 1: where do you think I had him going? Don't Bengals? Yeah?
Speaker 1: All right, please God, all right, real quick. The one
Speaker 1: you like the best. We'll close on this one. The
Speaker 1: best one you liked again. If if if I had
Speaker 1: to take one of these, I'd probably say Landry Miller
Speaker 1: Leonard Okay, I think it addresses all your major needs.
Speaker 1: You get an awesome pass rusher in the first round.
Speaker 1: That's like, it's fine, it'll be boring if we all agree. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: look at this face. He's trying to figure out which
Speaker 1: one he wants. I want to like, you want to
Speaker 1: go with the law Firm. I want to get more Shepherd. Whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa? You don't like the law Firm. No, I
Speaker 1: want to go with that one because that those are
Speaker 1: my pet cats. But I would probably agree with Dave
Speaker 1: Landry Miller. I mean, I love it. That's a good
Speaker 1: that's a good one. That's a nice haul. That is
Speaker 1: a nice haul. All right, boys, thanks for playing along
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Speaker 1: We'll go. We got some questions. Anthony wants to know, Dane,
Speaker 1: you said four minutes by sorry, Oh, you're right because
Speaker 1: we started late. Whatever, Dane, Anthony points out, you said
Speaker 1: on the last show that you had a first round
Speaker 1: grade onto Marcus Lawrence. He fell to thirty four cowboys
Speaker 1: traded up and got him. Can you give us an
Speaker 1: idea of some guys who you think that might happen
Speaker 1: with this year? First round ish guys who fall into
Speaker 1: the second round happens every single year. It does happen
Speaker 1: every year. This year, we just don't have as many
Speaker 1: first round guys, so I think it's tougher to see
Speaker 1: one of them. You know, last year we had what
Speaker 1: Kevin King fall into the second, Dalvin Cook, which obviously
Speaker 1: this team wasn't interested in Dalvin Cook. You know at
Speaker 1: durn Payne maybe, Yeah, durn Payne would be a guy
Speaker 1: that I would I would surely. Look. I think that's
Speaker 1: a great name. He's more of a one two, but
Speaker 1: a guy that could slip out of the top thirty
Speaker 1: two and you know, be available in the second. He's
Speaker 1: one of those guys used in the first. Hughes is
Speaker 1: another one in Oliver. I think Isaiah Oliver too. It
Speaker 1: should be in that conversation. Josh Jackson too, Josh Jackson.
Speaker 1: I mean, as great as the production was at Iowa
Speaker 1: this past year, still a lot of questions. Can you
Speaker 1: hold up a man coverage? Is he you know, gonna
Speaker 1: learn how to tackle? All right, let's twist it around
Speaker 1: real quick, because Ari wants to know who's a guy
Speaker 1: who fits that category, who you would move up for.
Speaker 1: Kind of touched on that with the receivers and going defense.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be a name. Yeah, I'm going James
Speaker 1: or Smith. I'm scared to hear. So no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: se sorry from second Marcus Lawrence. Oh, I think Dave's
Speaker 1: right the wide receiver connection. Yeah, because with that, regardless
Speaker 1: of whoever goes first, and you know, we'll just say
Speaker 1: Ridley and morgo exact twenty top twenty five, we're you know,
Speaker 1: we're gonna see Chark, We're gonna see Sutton, We're going
Speaker 1: to see these receivers come off the board at some
Speaker 1: point early second. So yeah, I think that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, Daniel's first round player for you? Yeah? Easy, okay.
Speaker 1: So I was thinking about it. He might be the
Speaker 1: best center prospects. It's Alex Mack okay, like he's I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think. Oh, I like it what you're saying.
Speaker 1: He's a good player. I watched a guard from Iowa
Speaker 1: yesterday Welsh, Welsh, and every time Daniels is saving his rear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly what I mean. It's just it's incredible. But so
Speaker 1: you mean he's there's no way he gets this top
Speaker 1: of the second round. No, I don't think. So, okay,
Speaker 1: what could I convince you to do it? For a safety?
Speaker 1: I'm thinking, like we talked about Ronnie Harrison. Yeah, maybe Bates,
Speaker 1: I say, Bates or read Have they shown any of Yeah,
Speaker 1: have they looked at They have not? I say I
Speaker 1: didn't he workouts or not a top thirty. No, he
Speaker 1: went to top thirty. I mean they went that direction,
Speaker 1: it'd be a total you know, yeah, covert operation there
Speaker 1: would be. I think again, how about that one of
Speaker 1: those defensive ends like uh Eca four, you know somebody
Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, I mean, do you love one of
Speaker 1: them enough to go and get it. I'm just throwing
Speaker 1: a name it wars ard Key gonna be in this thing.
Speaker 1: Good point. See that's obsane. It's not ardon Key trading
Speaker 1: up for arden Key. You might be getting an eighty one. Okay, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying though, maybe something they're gonna bring this
Speaker 1: guy in arden Key is gonna be a vis. They're
Speaker 1: gonna they're doing their homework on him, and he's the
Speaker 1: type of guy you need to do your homework on obviously,
Speaker 1: figure out what's what makes him tick. Okay, again, the
Speaker 1: tight ends tight. I'm okay, drafted a tight end, just
Speaker 1: not in the first two round. But you wouldn't trade
Speaker 1: it for a time. No, I'm not trading. I'm just
Speaker 1: tight end again, what about will Hernandez if he falls? Oh?
Speaker 1: I like that, I do like that. Would you give
Speaker 1: up eighty one to get her Nandez at thirty nine?
Speaker 1: Forty mm hmmm, I would. I'm thinking, who do we
Speaker 1: get in the first take a receiver and whatever. You
Speaker 1: almost have to take defense if you're gonna find back guard,
Speaker 1: like take Evans Vanders at nineteen and then Hernandez. So
Speaker 1: let's go. I can live with that. Let's go. Austin
Speaker 1: wants to know, well, we lose our safety though at
Speaker 1: eighty one? Yeah? More? Okay, sorry, go ahead. S happens
Speaker 1: in the draft. You know a lot of two first
Speaker 1: round players though, Yeah, s happens a lot of times
Speaker 1: in the draft. Two parter. Austin wants to know, do
Speaker 1: you buy the Josh Allen that one smoke? And he
Speaker 1: also wants to know, guy we're not which I know.
Speaker 1: I know what his grade is because I have the beast.
Speaker 1: But you can't follow grades with quarterbacks, right, any chance
Speaker 1: Mason Rudolph gets up there into before the Cowboys pick,
Speaker 1: maybe pushes a guy down the board. You can't rule
Speaker 1: anything out, but Mason Rudolph in the top in the
Speaker 1: first round is craziness to me, but I don't know
Speaker 1: it's craziness to you, but it won't be crazy. Were
Speaker 1: comparing him to Ben Roethlisberger, who Mason Rudolph No, sighing,
Speaker 1: Who's compared size, size, physical ability, farm Stream. I could
Speaker 1: walk down the street and find a guy that has
Speaker 1: that size. Wow, I mean, I don't understand the parallel. Well,
Speaker 1: your hate for Mason Rudolph is impressive. It's just it's
Speaker 1: not sports hate. By the way, for sports it's always sports,
Speaker 1: always sports hate. It's just he's what do you see
Speaker 1: on film that suggests that he's going to be this,
Speaker 1: you know, big time NFL start, and that you better
Speaker 1: think he's a big time NFL start if you're gonna
Speaker 1: take him top twenty. He launches a lot of those
Speaker 1: balls down the field that will say and those guys,
Speaker 1: I mean, unless Mike Gundy's coming with him and bringing
Speaker 1: that Oklahoma State scheme, very simplistic, very quarterback friendly, where
Speaker 1: you know you don't have to readcoverage. His consistent basis
Speaker 1: you meant you have one read usually pre snap, and
Speaker 1: you're throwing that making that throw so and I mean
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State they have you know, we ding James Washington
Speaker 1: week Marcel Eatman, Sure running four routes? Sure, okay, well
Speaker 1: that part of that, we ding Mason Rudolph. We're only
Speaker 1: having to throw to four routes. You know, you do
Speaker 1: acknowledge that it's possible. I do, because well, I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's possible Top twenty like, if he's not
Speaker 1: going to the late first to a team like that
Speaker 1: sounds more plausive spurger, you know, twenty seven. I mean
Speaker 1: in the Saints, people talk about the sides wanting a
Speaker 1: quarterback maybe oak screen on how high people like Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Yeah, it's it goes a little
Speaker 1: bit against the gray what we usually like Quack we
Speaker 1: usually think of the quarterbacks. Yeah, but I think someone's
Speaker 1: gonna fall in love with ok yeah, I think, uh, well, okay,
Speaker 1: how about Alan or one? Oh yeah, oh yeah, we
Speaker 1: didn't touch on that. Please please say no no. I
Speaker 1: think it's yeah, it's possible. I don't think John Dorsey
Speaker 1: a hundred percent knows who they're taking yet. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: think he probably feels really good about where they're leaning.
Speaker 1: But Josh Allen is in Brea today at the Brown's facility,
Speaker 1: and you know, he's making his case for why he
Speaker 1: should be the number one pick. Look, you can't rule
Speaker 1: it out. So many people want to pigeonhole John Dorsey
Speaker 1: into he wants this type of quarterback. Why why are
Speaker 1: we doing this? Like he's He's made two quarterback moves,
Speaker 1: significant quarterback moves in his tenure as a general manager.
Speaker 1: He traded for Alex Smith and he drafted Pat Mahomes.
Speaker 1: Those are two different quarterbacks. So, I mean, I've said
Speaker 1: this to you before though, like I'm reluctant to say
Speaker 1: that Mahomes is a successful pick yet, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it. In the skill set, like the
Speaker 1: type of quarterback you're looking at, okay, uh, there's a
Speaker 1: two different styles of quarterback and so and I don't
Speaker 1: think we can paint a picture of exactly what John
Speaker 1: Dorsey looks like. Do you want a big arm? I
Speaker 1: think every general manager evaluator wants a big arm, But overall,
Speaker 1: you want a guy that's gonna win. You want to
Speaker 1: get it's accurate, and that's why I still think the
Speaker 1: favorite of Sam Darnold. But there are too many whispers
Speaker 1: going on that Josh Allen is the guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: just remind you, guys. Something Danny at Lang had better
Speaker 1: knowledge stats than Josh Allen. Let me. Let me remind
Speaker 1: you guys, is something the Browns play in a division
Speaker 1: that is completely outdoors. Yeah, they play in cold weather
Speaker 1: cities late in the year, John Dorsey, for my years
Speaker 1: in Green Bay, we learned this, you better have a guy.
Speaker 1: And we in the problem with as we drafted Terrell Buckley,
Speaker 1: who was a corner from Florida State instead of taking
Speaker 1: Troy Vincent from Wisconsin. Okay, now apply this to quarterbacks. Okay,
Speaker 1: if you live in cold weather, if you play in
Speaker 1: cold weather, you understand cold weather. There's something too that
Speaker 1: it's it's it's part of the path. Okay, you're shaking
Speaker 1: your head. But it was something that we talked about.
Speaker 1: Harvest from Southern just about to say but but that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, though far hate but he adapted because
Speaker 1: of because of body type and hand size, and he
Speaker 1: had the talent. Yeah, let's not let's not act like.
Speaker 1: Let's in my mind, I was just about to see
Speaker 1: La Manning. Well, let's not know, but let's not act like.
Speaker 1: Let's not act like. I don't buy it that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be a reason any of the three prototypical Maybe not
Speaker 1: Baker Mayfiel. Baker Mayfield would not fit well in Cleveland
Speaker 1: in my opinion, any him with his body tapes. Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold was terrible at his pro day in the rain.
Speaker 1: I might give more credence to that. But it's different
Speaker 1: being a cold weather quarterback. I'm just telling you that, right,
Speaker 1: it is. But I think if you've got the talent
Speaker 1: to go top five, you can adapt. That's my point.
Speaker 1: But just because Josh Allen played in cold weather doesn't
Speaker 1: mean he was good. No, no, no, no no. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying though, when you look at these quarterbacks, he
Speaker 1: is the one. He is the one that played in
Speaker 1: and and, but he wasn't good in cold weather. I
Speaker 1: think that's a silly reason to draft him over somebody else. No,
Speaker 1: it's it's not a silly reason, but when it's part
Speaker 1: of what you think, think about when you're drafting these quarterbacks. Seriously, No,
Speaker 1: I think they're That conversation does play a part in this,
Speaker 1: I agree, But that is I think people can say,
Speaker 1: Carson Palmer, I get it to me if you have,
Speaker 1: but you have to have the body type. If you
Speaker 1: have arm strength to hand I mean, but have to
Speaker 1: have don't you think darnold he's got talent. Let's you
Speaker 1: have these two quarterbacks neck and neck like you can't decide.
Speaker 1: I don't know which one's better, which one's better? Maybe
Speaker 1: I'll use that as Okay, you know what, this guy
Speaker 1: has done it in cold weather. You know I would
Speaker 1: maybe that would give the edge, But you would have
Speaker 1: to me, you would have to have those quarterbacks completely
Speaker 1: even to use that as a reason draft one over
Speaker 1: the other. If I Tom Brady had success, sure Michigan,
Speaker 1: he's well, he's also as well. He's mentally tough. You know,
Speaker 1: Eli Manning, Aaron Rodgers played his college ball on the
Speaker 1: West Coast. How about that? Yeah? Again badass another but
Speaker 1: then but then again, body type, hand size things. I mean.
Speaker 1: And and by the way, twenty three other teams passed
Speaker 1: on that to get him. And I'm just saying, and
Speaker 1: Ted Thompson tried to pass on it too. I'm just saying.
Speaker 1: It's just something you think about. Is it the overlying
Speaker 1: factor or no? But I'm just telling you Dorsey comes
Speaker 1: from a program. I was part of that program. This
Speaker 1: is something you think about. I'm not saying that you're
Speaker 1: wrong that they think about it. I just hope that's
Speaker 1: not the reason that they pick him. It's not going
Speaker 1: to be the overlying of the over lying. Would you
Speaker 1: draft would you draft a lesser quarterback for that reason?
Speaker 1: I think you have to. I think you have to
Speaker 1: consider though about if a quarterback cast functionality in cold conditions.
Speaker 1: I think you have to consider that. Would you drafted
Speaker 1: lesser quarterback because of that reason? Though? If you have
Speaker 1: Sam if you think Sam Donald's the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: his draft and Josh Allen's number two, would you, if
Speaker 1: you're general manager, the clear if they were, if they were,
Speaker 1: if they if they were even and no, no, I'm saying,
Speaker 1: if you thought Sam Donald was the best quarterback in
Speaker 1: this draft, yeah, Josh alllying number two? Yeah, clearly one
Speaker 1: above the other. I think it was something I would
Speaker 1: surely think about. Yes, I would surely think about. I
Speaker 1: can't go there with you give me the better quarterback. Um,
Speaker 1: all right, we kind of got off our We got
Speaker 1: off our rapid fire. We always do. It's fine, John,
Speaker 1: which this is Dane mentioned this in the first segment.
Speaker 1: John said, given the need at safety, we would all
Speaker 1: agree it's a pretty big need on this team. Are
Speaker 1: you surprised by what appears to be somewhat of a
Speaker 1: lack of interest. I mean, they brought in the Southern
Speaker 1: miss kid, they brought in the ULLL kid, but Walker, Yeah,
Speaker 1: talking mid round prospects though, I mean, like what it does,
Speaker 1: and Terrell Edmunds is another one. But it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like they're doing for instance, they're turning over every stone
Speaker 1: at wide receiver, and I agree with the question that
Speaker 1: it doesn't seem like they're doing that at safety. To me,
Speaker 1: it's not a great safety group. I mean, there's free
Speaker 1: safety group. Try to draft Harrison earlier, yeah, we did,
Speaker 1: but strong anyway, we have any reason to suspect that
Speaker 1: they're interested in him, because I mean I don't see
Speaker 1: the crystal clear indication that that's the case like I
Speaker 1: do with well, name a receiver. You know, I think
Speaker 1: it's just more of a case. You know, how many
Speaker 1: guards is this team brought in? Maybe maybe they know something,
Speaker 1: Maybe they know something we don't. At fifty they're gonna
Speaker 1: move that thing to John Snyder. Oh oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought you meant trade up. But yeah, there's always that too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's I think that maybe they're saying, Okay, let's look
Speaker 1: at the down the line safety guys and as a
Speaker 1: as an ace and a whole kind of thing. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're gonna move fifty. I know nothing, I'm just saying that.
Speaker 1: I also think I think they feel really really good
Speaker 1: about Xavier Woods. They do, so they do. They do
Speaker 1: feel good about Xavier Woods. Okay, And it's just it's
Speaker 1: not a great free safety group. You know, after Derwin
Speaker 1: James to me, I'm not drafting another safety in the
Speaker 1: top twenty, and then you know Bates and Justin Reid, Okay,
Speaker 1: solid players. This team just might not like him. Great segue,
Speaker 1: because ajor our old buddy Golden, our old buddy laugh.
Speaker 1: I'm not laughing. It's not about he's gonna be a
Speaker 1: really good player. It's not about the right It's not
Speaker 1: about the player anyway. Um, our old senior Bowl buddy,
Speaker 1: Trayvon Henderson from Hawaii Combine snub free safety. Can he
Speaker 1: does he fit that? What do you think of him
Speaker 1: as a player? I would play him down. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: he's more of that that type of safety. Um Honestly,
Speaker 1: he's a little bit of both. Because there are times
Speaker 1: when you see him, he'll miss him tackles, you know,
Speaker 1: and but there are other times where he plays does
Speaker 1: a nice job in coverage. You know, he's he's kind
Speaker 1: of like our money Watts because a sometimes player and
Speaker 1: you know, sometimes he looks great and because coverage sometimes
Speaker 1: he doesn't. Sometimes he looks great against the runs, sometimes
Speaker 1: he doesn't. I know that probably describes a lot of safeties.
Speaker 1: But Trayvon Henderson I think is similar in that respect.
Speaker 1: Kaiser White strong West. Yeah, he's a strong I know
Speaker 1: there are specifically I know three teams that think he's
Speaker 1: a linebacker on the draft board, so I I think
Speaker 1: he's more that I think this team might be one
Speaker 1: of those teams too. Yeah. Yeah, how much does he weigh?
Speaker 1: Dane Quick two twenty something? Oh wow? Okay, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean he's Dion Jones. He was two eighteen Yeah at
Speaker 1: the combine, So bring it on. Okay, good question from
Speaker 1: our friend of the show, Jonah. Yeah. Most likely guy
Speaker 1: to be picked who did not visit here, if that
Speaker 1: makes sense, A guy they didn't bring him in, which
Speaker 1: we all know that that's a big Ooh, that's that's him.
Speaker 1: Or Derwin James. I was thinking more back of the line,
Speaker 1: guys like maybe a second round pick that they didn't
Speaker 1: bring in, or you could even cheat about Mica Fitzpatrick,
Speaker 1: m another good name. I like all of this way
Speaker 1: more than what I was gonna say, which I was
Speaker 1: going to point out technically, I mean Courtland, Sutton, Will
Speaker 1: hernandez Uh. Some of those guys aren't visits, but they're
Speaker 1: guys that the team is intomateure familiar with Sue reason
Speaker 1: or another. But I like y'all's answers a lot better.
Speaker 1: If Mika Fitzpatrick slides to maybe thirteen, that's exactly where
Speaker 1: I in my mock draft should be up in the
Speaker 1: next few days, hopefully today that's reached out. That's six spots.
Speaker 1: That's where I have him going thirteen the Redskins. Remember
Speaker 1: what happened last year with the Redskins. Oh yeah, they
Speaker 1: took Alan, a pretty good Alabama defensive player who we
Speaker 1: thought was a top pick. Yeah. Could happen again this
Speaker 1: year with a pretty good Alabama defensive player, which thinks
Speaker 1: the top pick fall to them in the teens. Why
Speaker 1: is he gonna fall because Alan had the shoulders? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's many people are overthinking it, you know, trying to
Speaker 1: say he's only a nickel corner and they don't have
Speaker 1: an idea where to play. Yeah, I think they're I'll
Speaker 1: take him right now, absolutely, and I figure it out.
Speaker 1: So I think he's I don't think you like the
Speaker 1: whole Roquan Smith. He I don't know. People aren't talking
Speaker 1: about him enough. He's one of the top. You don't
Speaker 1: think five six players in this draft. I don't know
Speaker 1: a single reputable publication that think he goes any later
Speaker 1: than like ten, maybe eleven. Yeah, but I'm talking about, like,
Speaker 1: why aren't we talking about him at six and the Colts?
Speaker 1: Why aren't we talking about like I'm saying, like he's
Speaker 1: one of the top. I guess the quarterbacks going early.
Speaker 1: You know, that's pushing good players down. So also, maybe
Speaker 1: who's the three of the three guys of the other quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: the other guys other than quarterbacks? Who are the three guys?
Speaker 1: Is it the guard Nelson? It's Barkley, Barkley Smith. I mean,
Speaker 1: how do you where do you have Smith in that?
Speaker 1: And the and the and the guys other than the quarterbacks? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's good. That's gonna tell you. He's
Speaker 1: probably the one that people He's not for everybody. I'm
Speaker 1: sure because it's crazy. You know who wasn't for everybody?
Speaker 1: Derek Brooks? Yeah, how you know when how could Roquan
Speaker 1: Smith not be for everybody? Yeah? But size? When When
Speaker 1: John said, did you say idiot undersize? Underside linebackers are
Speaker 1: dominating in the league? Right now? When looks at uh
Speaker 1: Quan Smith, Derek Brooks, sirens are going to go off
Speaker 1: in his head. Yeah, and that's why I don't think
Speaker 1: he gets past ten. I think ten's kind of us floor.
Speaker 1: All right, Dave, I'm sorry, bums out there, No, you
Speaker 1: could get better there. We can trade up to nine.
Speaker 1: San Francisco, we did a lot better. Do we have
Speaker 1: any more time? Although San Francisco? One more question? One
Speaker 1: more question I got, and then I gotta hit it.
Speaker 1: Um all right, we don't have a lot of time.
Speaker 1: John said, three of your favorite prospects who you don't
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys will draft. Let's just limit it to
Speaker 1: one for sake of time. But just a guy, and
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't mean like Derwin Award from Ohio State. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my guy that'd be up there. Um are I said
Speaker 1: this earlier. I'd probably say Vita Veia, which I know
Speaker 1: they brought him in, but I don't really believe that
Speaker 1: they'll draft him. But ward wards money. All right, guys,
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Speaker 1: Dave in the TV section helping us out too. We
Speaker 1: appreciate all of their killing it fine work with all
Speaker 1: this stuff, love the new camera. Angles. Want to thank
Speaker 1: everybody out there on Periscope as well. We appreciate to
Speaker 1: you guys hanging out with us. It's always fun to
Speaker 1: see the comments. I go back and watch and kind
Speaker 1: of look at the comments and stuff like that. So
Speaker 1: we do appreciate that. David Hellman tell me more, I
Speaker 1: can do that. And I'm gonna start off with a
Speaker 1: couple of guys. I've been getting a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of requests about so I'm gonna start it off
Speaker 1: trying to find me an edge rusher without you know,
Speaker 1: Harold Landry's not there left. Sure tell me more about
Speaker 1: Arkansas States Javon Roland Jones. It's a good name guy
Speaker 1: who led or almost at the FBS record, almost broke
Speaker 1: turrell sugs curacy of three and a half. He's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a tweener. He doesn't have ideal size,
Speaker 1: ideal length, and he didn't tested her who will No,
Speaker 1: I was very surprised by that. Yeah, the combined numbers
Speaker 1: weren't good, and then the pro days numbers were even worse.
Speaker 1: Um to me, he's more of a late round, sub
Speaker 1: package rusher. Who you know. He's gonna maybe give you
Speaker 1: a little bit of juice off the bench, but I
Speaker 1: just don't think it's enough tools to give you consistent
Speaker 1: snaps and consistent pressure. Well, I tell you what, you
Speaker 1: got him right. The thing about him interesting and you
Speaker 1: compare him to he almost broke Suggs record. Remember how
Speaker 1: bad Suggs was on his pro day? Yeah, like day,
Speaker 1: couldn't get him to run a fast forty. Yeah, he
Speaker 1: just kept struggling with that and all that. Yeah, this,
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think Dane's got this guy right.
Speaker 1: I think edge rush or subplayer. That's really kind of woody,
Speaker 1: and he struggles versus the run. There's some strength issues there,
Speaker 1: so he just he's not going to be out there
Speaker 1: on every down and right, he's gonna struggle to make
Speaker 1: a roster probably. I mean the college production is great,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna have to really make some moves and
Speaker 1: he might not get drafted. He's a late round PFA
Speaker 1: to call him up. What about another name I've I've
Speaker 1: seen in my mentions on no short number of occasions.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about Middle Tennessee State corner char char
Speaker 1: verys Ward another combine snub. Who know how you love
Speaker 1: those combines? Yeah? I do. Ward is in my seven
Speaker 1: round mock draft. He didn't make the cut. Use why
Speaker 1: because teams like tall, long, sure corners with speed and
Speaker 1: that's what he is. Um. You watch him on tape.
Speaker 1: He plays a little press, plays a little off. You know.
Speaker 1: The footwork is uh doesn't have the discipline that you
Speaker 1: want in terms of the pedal h exploding out of
Speaker 1: his brakes, and that's where receivers can create some separation.
Speaker 1: But it's the raw traits. It's when you have that height,
Speaker 1: you have that length, you have that speed, and the
Speaker 1: coaches say he's a smart guy, a really bright individual,
Speaker 1: so that certainly will help him as well. He's he's
Speaker 1: a type of you know, no other position is drafted
Speaker 1: more on the stop Watch than corner, and so he's
Speaker 1: the type of corner that gets drafted six seventh round.
Speaker 1: You take a shot on guys like that. Yeah, when
Speaker 1: you talk about the tall, rangy guys that are late,
Speaker 1: where do you have yet him? I have him high.
Speaker 1: I like you a lot. Okay, then I know both
Speaker 1: sold me on him. Yeah, I have him a little
Speaker 1: bit lower. He's the Boston college kid. Yeah, it's like
Speaker 1: it's like at six one ninety pounds, but he's four
Speaker 1: or five four kind of guy. But I thought about
Speaker 1: the same thing. You know, guy that plays press got
Speaker 1: it's long guy that you know kind of gets. So
Speaker 1: you've got him a little bit higher. Where do you
Speaker 1: have him in your relationship? I'm sorry to take this nude.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about long rangeing. Okay, okay, So third round
Speaker 1: that that's a that's a little bit higher than what
Speaker 1: I would have him there. I kind of thought it
Speaker 1: was more of a I thought more of him was
Speaker 1: a third day guy. But you're right. I mean I
Speaker 1: was trying to compare, okay, of the tall guys that
Speaker 1: play press, you know that teams like he's he's probably
Speaker 1: a little bit better than where I have him on
Speaker 1: the board. How how tall is this kid? Ward? Ward? Uh,
Speaker 1: just just a hare hundred sixty one, Yeah, two hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: He ran a four four four at the Pro Day,
Speaker 1: jumped really well, thirty seven and a half in verse
Speaker 1: eleven foot broad. It doesn't it doesn't make sense to
Speaker 1: use a huge pick on a cornerback given what they
Speaker 1: did last year. But I just feel like they're gonna
Speaker 1: give Chris Richard a day three dB to work with.
Speaker 1: I know they need a safety, but even a cornerback.
Speaker 1: I mean, they have ten picks. Let him take a
Speaker 1: chance on a guy whose body type he likes or whatever.
Speaker 1: One thing that worries me with Corners is when they
Speaker 1: have bad three cone time. Yeah. You know in corners
Speaker 1: you have learned that transition, you know, hip turn all
Speaker 1: that and tre various wards three cone time with seven
Speaker 1: five two, which is either he didn't know how to
Speaker 1: do it or he's just not very good. There is
Speaker 1: a little bit of stiffness too. Yeah, you know, and
Speaker 1: that will tell you that's that's that's a that's a
Speaker 1: red flag right there. For sure. I saw Brian watching
Speaker 1: this guy the other day and it piqued my interest.
Speaker 1: Tell me more about Mississippi State tight end Jordan Thomas.
Speaker 1: It's too Jordan Thomas is in this draft. Oklahoma corner
Speaker 1: and the tight end Thomas is fact that he just
Speaker 1: had that ready to go. He's just like, yeah, there's
Speaker 1: two of them. Okay. Uh, he's gonna say it when
Speaker 1: it happens in the draft. Yeah, when we're on that
Speaker 1: one night, he's gonna ask which one Thomas. It really
Speaker 1: wasn't on the radar coming end of the year. He
Speaker 1: had nine catches as a junior, and then as a
Speaker 1: senior they just to get him on the field, they
Speaker 1: moved into receiver. It's weird to watch a two hundred
Speaker 1: and sixty five pound man receiver. Yeah, and so he
Speaker 1: would play side, he'd played outside. So he's a guy
Speaker 1: that you don't know kind of where to play him
Speaker 1: because he doesn't really have that experience in line. I mean,
Speaker 1: has that size. He's six five and a half two
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty five pounds tested. Okay, four seventy four,
Speaker 1: and the forty yard that