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Speaker 1: and this is his first book, and we're gonna welcome

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Speaker 1: you to soft Rep. Welcome, great to be here.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me so much.

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Speaker 1: You know, I have the book here, Bare Knuckle, Bobby

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Speaker 1: Gunn seventy three and Oh Undefeated, A Dad, a dream,

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Speaker 1: a fight like you've never seen Styton Bonner.

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Speaker 4: What a great feeling book. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I've had a lot of books come through my hand. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and there's a field. Do you know that there's a

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Speaker 1: feel to this book and it just feels good.

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Speaker 3: I'm glad to hear it.

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Speaker 1: Oh okay to me, yeah it does. It has a nice,

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Speaker 1: nice feel too it some of them are slick. Someone

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Speaker 1: just feels like a little gritty, you know. It feels

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Speaker 1: like where it comes from, you know. I box well, okay,

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Speaker 1: all right. My business partner says.

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Speaker 4: The bag doesn't hit back to me all the time.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're right, you're right, you're right. So I

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Speaker 1: call a lot of fights. I sit around the ring.

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Speaker 1: I have a microphone. I'll call you from the red corner,

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Speaker 4: You know. I love to do it.

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Speaker 1: And when I was told that you want to come

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Speaker 1: onto our show and talk about Bare Knuckle, I was like, ouch,

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Speaker 1: well let's go. Welcome to the show. Glad to be here,

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Speaker 1: So you decided to go into the underground of the

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Speaker 1: Bobby Gunn, I was gonna have to hold it up again.

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Speaker 4: That dude has got a mug. Bro.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a tough guy. Literally no cartilage left in

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Speaker 1: I was so this morning. I was talking to my coach,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have an idea, I've read a little

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Speaker 5: And he always came through right.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you want your money, then you bet on me, Bro,

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Speaker 5: The most money he ever won collectively in a bare

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Speaker 5: Bay in Outer Brooklyn, and that was a fifty thousand dollars.

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Speaker 4: Person, that's gooft. How long did that take?

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Speaker 3: It was a long time.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's not his sister, you know, but I mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely correct.

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Speaker 5: have their own language which Bobby would slip into quite

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00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 5: often with other people, can't. And the joke is you

433
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,920
Speaker 5: can't understand us, but it's called can't. And they tend

434
00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 5: to rever two things, which is religion and fighting. I mean,

435
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,719
Speaker 5: you know, it's a close knit community. They are raised.

436
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 5: I met a priest who caters to the community in

437
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,399
Speaker 5: Memphis and he gave me a lot of insight for

438
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,639
Speaker 5: the book. And you know, they're just raised in a

439
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,399
Speaker 5: very religious, old school religious way. And you know, Bobby

440
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,359
Speaker 5: before every fight would literally lie prostrate on the ground

441
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,200
Speaker 5: praying to God.

442
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 4: You know.

443
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 5: He didn't drink, no tattoos, no cigarettes, nothing like that,

444
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 5: you know. But the other part was fighting. These were

445
00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 5: people who they would pull their children out of school,

446
00:23:34,920 --> 00:23:37,679
Speaker 5: usually around the middle school age, because they did not

447
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 5: want them to assimilate, typically with broader culture. And it's

448
00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 5: in their culture and it's what Bobby was raised doing

449
00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:48,400
Speaker 5: to work as an itinerant tradesman. It was a derogatory

450
00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 5: term that was used, but you know, Tinker was referring

451
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 5: to travelers and that's those were traveling people in Ireland,

452
00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 5: you know, showing little trinkets in things towns to town.

453
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 4: So if you tinker on something.

454
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like doing like metal doing like metal work.

455
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,399
Speaker 5: Again, it's a derogatory term for the community, as so

456
00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 5: is gypsy, but these were all terms that were referencing

457
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 5: the traveling the traveling communities they would do like metalsmithing

458
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 5: and things like that, and that's what they do today.

459
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 5: It's it's usually more of like asphalt coding and and

460
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,119
Speaker 5: you know, working on barns and literally going door to

461
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,320
Speaker 5: door and knocking. They do have a reputation for taking

462
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:32,800
Speaker 5: advantage of people, as I report in the book based

463
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 5: on my interviews and reporting, it absolutely is warranted in

464
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 5: several cases, and you can see this online. But I

465
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 5: do think it's overblown and it's unfair how this entire

466
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 5: community has been, you know, given that broad paint paint stroke.

467
00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,399
Speaker 5: Bobby Gunn is a very upstanding person in his business

468
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:52,120
Speaker 5: dealings that I've seen, and you know, it's as has

469
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 5: done right and a lot of I think they're unfairly

470
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,440
Speaker 5: maligned in that way, but it is. It is itinerant

471
00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 5: work and that's what he was raised doing. But they

472
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,639
Speaker 5: also gather in these groups and they fight. His father

473
00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 5: was before there was WWE. He was known as Black

474
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 5: Bart and he would travel in these early early wrestling communities.

475
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 5: Is the heel these guys would be in like some

476
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:17,959
Speaker 5: you know van traveling city in the city.

477
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,720
Speaker 4: You know, a touring band dude trying to get there,

478
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:21,119
Speaker 4: you know.

479
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, playing in your local high school gym.

480
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 4: You know.

481
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,520
Speaker 3: They would have razor blades and do the cuts all that.

482
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: We have a gig at the hair salon, guys. Yeah,

483
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: a gig's a gig, bro It's one hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah,

484
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,760
Speaker 1: so bring my five thousand dollars amps and all my

485
00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: stuff to the show that I yes, because it's a gig, right,

486
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: just to show the craft, to be a part of

487
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: the art, to just be able to like continue and

488
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: put it out there. You know, like a like a

489
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 1: theater in back in the day where they'd have wagons

490
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: that roll through town and they'd set up at theater

491
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: and people come pay a penny or pence or whatever

492
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,280
Speaker 1: to sit down and watch with this theatrical I mean,

493
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: really just to give the craft.

494
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: I love it. Yeah, good job, Bobby Gunn, you know

495
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

496
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 5: Good job, Well, Bobby grew up in that so his

497
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,359
Speaker 5: father stops doing that. When when Bobby was born and

498
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,720
Speaker 5: took him on the road with him, he left school

499
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:16,120
Speaker 5: at third grade. It's just hard to go to school

500
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 5: and it wasn't really taking if they were always In.

501
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: Your book you talk about how you know, I'll give

502
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: a little bit out there. It talks about how you

503
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: know he was eleven and his dad's waking him up

504
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:26,639
Speaker 1: because he's already been boxing as a young man, like

505
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,159
Speaker 1: training as a boxer. His dads, I get up and

506
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 1: go pumel these guys out in the parking lot for me,

507
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: will you because they don't think they can. They think

508
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,159
Speaker 1: they can be a probably an eleven year old. I

509
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: got this kid that could kick ass, Like, yeah, bring

510
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 1: him out here. He's like, okay, fifty bucks, who knows?

511
00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know. But Bobby was already thrown into the

512
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 4: ring by his dad.

513
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 5: One hundred percent. So Bobby from birth was trained in

514
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 5: pro boxing. His goal was to be an Olympic boxer.

515
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 5: But simultaneously the dad started training him in the art

516
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 5: of bare nuncle boxing as a child. And this was

517
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 5: a tough, tough kid. They were living in motor courts,

518
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 5: you know, when they weren't on the road going campground

519
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:06,640
Speaker 5: to campground looking for work.

520
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 3: They're living in.

521
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 5: Motor courts on Lundy Lane on the outskirts Niagara Falls,

522
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 5: which was a tough area. You know, you imagine a

523
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:17,679
Speaker 5: motor court with criminals, prostitutes, that whole thing. Bobby at

524
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,200
Speaker 5: eleven years old. One night, he was sleeping on their

525
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 5: shag carpet floor his father. It was not unusual for

526
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,840
Speaker 5: his father to go out drinking all night, then be

527
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 5: up at five in the morning and going out to work.

528
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 5: But the dad woke him up in the middle of

529
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 5: the night. Just remembered his cigarette glowing in the dark.

530
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 5: His mom was asleep on the motel bed, and the

531
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 5: dad said, get up, put your clothes on. I've got

532
00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 5: a guy out here. You got to beat him. And Bobby,

533
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,960
Speaker 5: you know, without questioning it, didn't, put on his T

534
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:49,120
Speaker 5: shirt and jeans, walked outside. It was a grown man

535
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 5: that Robert Gunn had brought home from the bar. There

536
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:56,199
Speaker 5: was a crowd of people watching the guy's buddies along

537
00:27:56,280 --> 00:27:58,680
Speaker 5: with some prostitutes and various hangers.

538
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040
Speaker 3: On and the you know, the guy. It basically kind

539
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 3: of looked at him.

540
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 5: I was like, what the fuck, this is a kid

541
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 5: and gun just took him out straight to the face. Yeah,

542
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,640
Speaker 5: and then you know, the guy started throwing some haymakers

543
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 5: and he took him down pretty quickly. And his father

544
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:16,680
Speaker 5: pocketed one hundred dollars.

545
00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 4: So this is.

546
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 5: Something that he would repeatedly do, which is quick cash.

547
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 5: You know, he'd be like all the guys. I talked

548
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,959
Speaker 5: to his father about this. Father still alive and interviewed

549
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: him multiple times for the book. He's like, yeah, you know,

550
00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 5: I just I would bring home ringers. I knew my

551
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 5: son could take him out. Now, this is obviously an

552
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 5: abusive situation. I mean, this is not a healthy one.

553
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 5: And you know, Bobby is interesting. I mean because his

554
00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 5: father trained him in these really brutal ways of fighting.

555
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 5: In addition to bare knuckle, he taught him what's known

556
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 5: as rough and tumble, which I mentioned earlier, and that's

557
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 5: those are rules if it's just a dirty street fight,

558
00:28:54,120 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 5: you know, how to really use any means necessary to

559
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 5: take another person down. And it's it's fairly her horrific.

560
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: Way to fight.

561
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 5: But Bobby was trained this way, and his father will

562
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 5: say it too. He's like, look, I knew he was

563
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 5: entering a tough world. I was just wanting to forge

564
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 5: him as a weapon. And even Bobby Gunn he'll be like, yeah.

565
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:17,840
Speaker 3: This sounds awful, but I understand my dad, and that's

566
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,920
Speaker 3: that's what he was raising me to do, and that's

567
00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:22,240
Speaker 3: that was just his childhood.

568
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not feeling any like, oh I was overwhelmed.

569
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,840
Speaker 1: He's not saying Dad didn't know that I couldn't do that.

570
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 1: Dad wasn't throwing him to the wolves.

571
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:32,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

572
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: He he was like, come to my son. Let me

573
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,240
Speaker 1: introduce you to my child that I got here. And

574
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 1: he's going to kick your ass.

575
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 3: I mean, look, and you.

576
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: Don't think so, oh you're drunk, old man, You're a kid,

577
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: can't beat me. He's like, yeah, I haven't drunk, old man,

578
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: aren't I I don't know. I'm just assuming, right, Yeah,

579
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: I'm just talking shit, you know. Yeah, no, how would

580
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: you get your yeah, how would you get a fight going?

581
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 4: You know? You got to smoke the bear.

582
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Like the dad would definitely be on the

583
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:01,720
Speaker 5: sideline talking massive shit like you, Yeah, my son's going

584
00:30:01,760 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 5: to kick your ass and like you call that, you

585
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 5: call that a fight? I mean that's something else. Gun

586
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 5: recounts as his dad was just a world class.

587
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Eleven year old right now, kicked your ass right now? Yeah,

588
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 1: and the son's back there like, oh I got to

589
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 1: wake up.

590
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, that was it. That was it exactly.

591
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,800
Speaker 5: So, I mean, honestly, all of those guys were in

592
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 5: for a world of pain and love.

593
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 3: They would never know what was gonna hit them.

594
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 5: You know, they're coming in two in the morning, drunk,

595
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 5: just you know, whatever will pop this kid and this

596
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 5: They have no idea that they're coming up against the

597
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:35,280
Speaker 5: terminator and this eleven year old kid just takes him down.

598
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 1: How big was he at eleven? Do you think how tall?

599
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: How tall is Bobby?

600
00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 4: Uh?

601
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 3: You know, he's not huge.

602
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 5: I mean he's around you know, five to eleven now, uh,

603
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 5: and he'll he'll mean he's a jacked five eleven.

604
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,800
Speaker 3: I mean he is thick and muscular.

605
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 5: But he will say back then, as he calls himself, quote,

606
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 5: I was an opie looking motherfucker.

607
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 3: I mean he was like, I think he's a skinny kid.

608
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: Probably helped him win.

609
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was a skinny eleven year oh kid. You know.

610
00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,440
Speaker 5: But again, the father, he was already training around Canada.

611
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 5: His mother was American, his father was Canadian, so he

612
00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 5: has dual citizenship. But he was training as a pro

613
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,479
Speaker 5: boxer at that young age and really knew his stuff,

614
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 5: so he was a lethal weapon. But he's a skinny

615
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 5: little kid.

616
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,280
Speaker 4: Right, but he just knew. He just knew. He just

617
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 4: picked it up.

618
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: There's kids in my gym right now that I look

619
00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 1: at and I'm like, man, how come I wasn't like

620
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: thirteen focused on boxing? I wish I would have been.

621
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I was forty five when I got introduced to the

622
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 1: gym lifestyle. I was always into boxing and for years,

623
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 1: but I was like, oh, one day, I'll get in

624
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: the gym.

625
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: One day, one day, one day, one day, one day.

626
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: And then I took that step and I made it

627
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: that day, and now I don't know why I can't

628
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: go without it.

629
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 5: Absolutely. I mean, it's a great way to focus your mind,

630
00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 5: your body, your discipline as a as a young person.

631
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 5: And that's something I saw not only in guns life fighting.

632
00:31:57,520 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 4: You know.

633
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 3: It's just a hard upbringing.

634
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 5: He was ostracized because his father was from one plan

635
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 5: of travelers, his mother from another. He was a bit

636
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 5: of an outsider, never really welcomed by broader family and community,

637
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 5: and lonely had just a really hard hard, itinerant background

638
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,920
Speaker 5: and upbringing, and he really focused on the boxing and

639
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: the gym and his trainers and the managers, and you know,

640
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 5: that was really his productive outlet, his creative outlet in

641
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 5: his life, and I think it really did save him.

642
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 5: And it just it's it's just an integral part of

643
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 5: who he is.

644
00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: Oh, gyms can save lives. An there's a coach in

645
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 1: there that can just see something in that kid and

646
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: just be like, hey, Kime.

647
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 4: Here, yeah, absolutely do this, let me see that out

648
00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 4: of you.

649
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: And next thing, you know, you're like, I have a

650
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: purpose and it's the gym and the gym, and I

651
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: see kids cleaning up the gym after Jim. You know,

652
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:50,480
Speaker 1: they're like, hey, I'm just helping out, just making sure

653
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 1: things are taken care of, helping the coach put stuff

654
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,760
Speaker 1: away because he's holding mits and he's teaching us all

655
00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: this stuff he doesn't really have. He doesn't want to

656
00:32:57,680 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: have to vacuum or whatever.

657
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's it exactly.

658
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 5: And it's it's part of the training too, right, That's

659
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 5: part of that discipline, getting kids to help with cleanup

660
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: and all of that. And there's you know, every gym

661
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 5: I went to, you know, and Gun would take literally

662
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 5: a baseball bat to some of these and he had

663
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 5: you know, people had tried to jack him in these

664
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 5: some of these neighborhoods. And you know, whether it was

665
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 5: Philadelphia and you're going into a walk up and it's

666
00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 5: literally an apartment that has become a makeshift gym for

667
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,560
Speaker 5: the community because they don't have a gym, but they

668
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 5: needed that space. All of these places that there was

669
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: a lot of crime. These were hard, hard areas. Again,

670
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 5: Gun had a baseball bat with him for a reason.

671
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 5: I never saw any problem personally. I always saw nothing

672
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 5: but respect because these these gyms are community hubs and

673
00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 5: a lot of neighborhoods and they're a place where young people,

674
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 5: all people can go and really focus and improve themselves.

675
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 5: And that was universally respected. And I saw that respect

676
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 5: among fighters. You know, people who aren't familiar with the

677
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 5: fight world, they might be surprised to see it, but

678
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 5: you know, sure when they're in the cage or the ring,

679
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 5: they're gonna pummel each other, That's that's what they're doing.

680
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 5: But outside of that, you know, they're shaking hands, hugging

681
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 5: each other. Again, Bobby and one other fighter told me

682
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 5: it was crazy. He would tell me how to you know,

683
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,960
Speaker 5: do dirty moves when when a ref wasn't looking in

684
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 5: the boxing ring, and the next second he'd be asked me,

685
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 5: if Jesus has saved my life?

686
00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:21,840
Speaker 4: You know?

687
00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 3: Is he give it to you? So?

688
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 2: You know?

689
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 5: But that's that's the dichotomy here, and that is what

690
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:28,600
Speaker 5: was really fascinating.

691
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:30,240
Speaker 3: And it really is a true community.

692
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 4: It is.

693
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,399
Speaker 1: And when I was in England hosting for soft REP,

694
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: we did the sas Special Air Service Special Operations versus

695
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: Navy Seals. Yeah, and similar. There was a boxing event

696
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 1: and we got to go to this gym called the

697
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,799
Speaker 1: Peacock Gym over in London. Literally it just gave the

698
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,000
Speaker 1: sense of a home and a training because they had

699
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: a grill and a kitchen and two ladies in the

700
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: back saying what would you like to eat?

701
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,399
Speaker 4: How you want some eggs? What you want?

702
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: You know, you want some Bengals and some hash or

703
00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 1: what you know, and they're just feeding you there. You're

704
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 1: working out there. It's like they're like, well, let's not

705
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 1: let the fighter go too far away from the gym.

706
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, And the military aspect is interesting. In the opening

707
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 5: scene of my book, it's a fight and it's it's

708
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 5: a long scene where we is we see Bobby in

709
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,920
Speaker 5: an underground fight somewhere in the Northeast. I don't put

710
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,160
Speaker 5: city names as requested, but it was. It was in

711
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 5: an autobody shop and he was fighting a former marine,

712
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 5: and this former Marine had been introduced to barre knuckle

713
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 5: boxing while in training in California around San Diego.

714
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, the CPA, that's right.

715
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm just I'm not trying to give away anything.

716
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:42,839
Speaker 3: No, sorry, I love it.

717
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: I think you're great, dude. I think this is a

718
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: great book. I should go check this out. Guys, thank you.

719
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 5: But he was at the time, he was a Marine

720
00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 5: and in training and got introduced to baron knuckle boxing

721
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 5: through his military friends, and then did tours overseas, left

722
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 5: the military, you know, had some PTSD issues, was homeless

723
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 5: for a while, got straight as you as you point out,

724
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 5: became a CPA, doing taxes, became a father, you know,

725
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 5: would like subscribe to CPA monthly. But he loved that

726
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 5: he missed he missed the camaraderie. It was hard for

727
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 5: him to transition from the military brotherhood and fraternity in

728
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 5: that world into civilian life. He would talk about just

729
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 5: going to a costco and seeing walls and walls of

730
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,799
Speaker 5: anti septic stuff, and it just kind of weirded him out.

731
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 3: And people would thank him for.

732
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 5: Their service, but they wouldn't really understand anything what he

733
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 5: had done. He was just really kind of a drift.

734
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 5: But he reconnected with a sense of fraternity.

735
00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: In the bare knuckle community.

736
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 5: So he was doing fighting boxing, got asked if he

737
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: wanted to join some bare knuckle fights, and he said

738
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 5: he just really liked the fraternal aspect. So you have

739
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 5: a father, a CP hey who is taking on a

740
00:37:01,680 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 5: bare knuckle match.

741
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: Isn't he the money? But he was up against Bobby

742
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 3: Gunn and he just ended he liked the brotherhood of it,

743
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 3: which is something he had missed from the military. And

744
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 3: that's the opening scene.

745
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:12,479
Speaker 4: Of the book.

746
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love it, and it talks about like, you

747
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: know how he was trained to see and everybody in

748
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: the marine has two jobs, right, I love that and

749
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: say that it's like there's two jobs in the Marine

750
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: Corps'm gonna slip it out there. One is the job

751
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:29,359
Speaker 1: you're doing and the other is to kill yep. And

752
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:34,879
Speaker 1: so you have a CPA Marine Corps killer who has

753
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: to transition from that life cycle and go to a

754
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: civilian life cycle. And he found his outlet with in

755
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 1: the gym and with Bobby and throwing fists and you know,

756
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,960
Speaker 1: you know, working out. Really, the workout is ninety percent

757
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 1: of the battle. The staying in shape, the cardio, the eating.

758
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 1: Trying to eat right. Oh, you know how hard it

759
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:55,880
Speaker 1: is to He tried to eat a banana after I

760
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: work out. Yeah, no, gotta find it.

761
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: I'm just saying.

762
00:38:00,840 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 5: There are multiple other fighters I discussed in the book

763
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 5: who also had experience in the military, and there really

764
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 5: was an overlap. You know, Obviously it's a it's a

765
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 5: familiarity with violence when necessary, but but it's also I

766
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 5: think bigger than that. What I saw was was this

767
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 5: brotherhood and this community and this discipline that that people

768
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 5: people liked and wanted to hold on to even after

769
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,840
Speaker 5: their service.

770
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:32,319
Speaker 4: Yeah. I like someone in the gym saying, Okay, here's

771
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do.

772
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: You're gonna do one minute of planks, and they're like, Radal,

773
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: put your butt down, And I'm like, you are literally

774
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: talking to me. He's literally saying it to me. It's

775
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: my butt that's in the air. He's like level out.

776
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 1: That's there's something about that, you know, And uh, I

777
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:51,680
Speaker 1: just I just love it, and I love I love

778
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: your book. I love your personality. I love the fact

779
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,279
Speaker 1: that you've got so much background working in other you know,

780
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: subscriptions like GQ or Rolling Stone. Probably esquired Men's Journal.

781
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 1: I think you even wrote an article about our buddy Brandon,

782
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:11,760
Speaker 1: who is soft rep dot com Brandon web Right, I did,

783
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 1: what is that? Which article did you write about here?

784
00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 5: So I wrote a feature story profile of soft rep

785
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 5: founder Brandon web for Min's Journal magazine. The story is

786
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 5: called Navy Seal Inc. And I went out to visit Brandon.

787
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 5: I flew out from New York. I was aware of

788
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 5: soft Rep. I liked the coverage y'all were doing, you know.

789
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 5: I liked that it was run by veterans and inside

790
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,919
Speaker 5: intel and information on things that were happening around the world.

791
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 5: I thought it was a really smart approach in the

792
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 5: news was fantastic. I met up with Brandon and went

793
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,759
Speaker 5: out to California, where he would fly in the San

794
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,719
Speaker 5: Diego area. Had a private hangar with some former seals

795
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 5: who had done well in the private sector. They would

796
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 5: fly these old decommission YAK fifty two planes they'd gotten

797
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 5: from the Russians in aerial dogfights. I mean, this is

798
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 5: legit top gun training territory. In fact, I met through Brandon.

799
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 5: The guy had a hangar who was the original top

800
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,840
Speaker 5: gun instructor nearby. So Brandon had this kick ass hangar.

801
00:40:18,200 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 5: These guys all did where it was literally if you

802
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 5: watched Top Gun, the latest one at the end, they're

803
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,319
Speaker 5: kind of working on the plane. That's like what these

804
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 5: things are. And it had a little shower, little kitchenette,

805
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 5: little bed, and then just this giant open bay door

806
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,359
Speaker 5: looking out on the runway in skies. And I went

807
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 5: out with these guys and it went flying.

808
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 3: They put me in the back. One guy was.

809
00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:45,840
Speaker 5: A Southwest Airlines pilot off Tilly. A couple of them

810
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 5: I'd just come out of the top gun school. There

811
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 5: was Brandon, there were a couple other ex Navy seals.

812
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 5: These guys were pulling GE's. You know, I had no idea.

813
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 5: I'd just gotten off a plane from New York and

814
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 5: went up with these guys and doing a dog fights.

815
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, really pulling serious cheese, like yeah.

816
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 4: Like shooting the watch.

817
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,880
Speaker 1: Do you like like you know, banking and like just

818
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:09,280
Speaker 1: just like you're just doing circles.

819
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, total inverted. My balls were up in

820
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: my throat somewhere.

821
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: Relations Oh, I hate that.

822
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 3: Uh.

823
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 5: And it was just incredible and uh, you know, went

824
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 5: up with Brandon and then that night. It was really

825
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 5: fun because these guys would the sun would be setting

826
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 5: and they would have it, you know, a little catered meal.

827
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 5: They'd break out some you know, whiskey and drinks and

828
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 5: cigars and then guys just trading these crazy ass war

829
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,040
Speaker 5: stories and bullshitting into the night. And it was really fun.

830
00:41:42,080 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 5: And so I got a peek at at Brandon's life,

831
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 5: his own incredible story. He has an very interesting wayship with.

832
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: His father as well.

833
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 5: I know, Yep has overcome a lot of adversity and

834
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 5: you know a lot of different things and clearly done

835
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 5: very well. And you know as a hyper instructor in

836
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 5: the Seals and then now with Soft Rep and his

837
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 5: business ventures. And then yeah, another time I met up

838
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 5: with Brandon and New York in the city where he

839
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: would go work out, and I think he was kind

840
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 5: of fucking with me. He took me out with his uh,

841
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 5: a couple other buddies, of his where they would do swimming,

842
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,839
Speaker 5: and they would they would swim and then get out

843
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 5: and do push ups, swim, get out to push ups,

844
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 5: and he's like, yea, why don't you guys, why don't

845
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 5: you hang with us?

846
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: I did hang with them.

847
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 5: I was the last guy, but I didn't I didn't quit.

848
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 5: And I think we kind of bond bonded over that.

849
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 5: But yeah, brand Brandon.

850
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: Swim a lap and then do push ups or swim

851
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 1: swim lap or like back and forth.

852
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 3: It got a little club yep. So I got a

853
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 3: little hazy, to be honest.

854
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 5: And this is before I went to work one morning

855
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 5: at Men's Journal in Manhattan.

856
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,800
Speaker 3: But hees n y club right off of Central Park South.

857
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 3: You know, I don't know. It was a long ass pool,

858
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 3: is all I remember.

859
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 5: And we were swimming and we were getting out and

860
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 5: doing push ups, and then after George we hit the

861
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 5: sauna and I think we even did that. We did

862
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 5: some weights after that. It's getting a taste of the

863
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 5: daily regimen, but yeah, it was.

864
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 3: It was fun.

865
00:43:10,080 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 5: I had a lot of fun hanging with Brandon. And

866
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,400
Speaker 5: it's amazing what you guys are are still rolling with here.

867
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Speaker 1: And I love all over your show. Yeah, thank you.

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Speaker 1: He's he is great to hang with. You know, there's

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Speaker 1: lots of stories traveling with him. He's a great dude.

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Speaker 1: And again, I love that he loves me to keep

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Speaker 1: me doing this. It's such an honor too. And I

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Speaker 1: get to interview you and and all sorts of other

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Speaker 1: rock stars that come through my life, and I get

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Speaker 1: to soak up some of your valor, and then I

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Speaker 1: get this. I've got so much valor from all sorts

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Speaker 1: of different people in me right now, it's not even funny.

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Speaker 4: Mine. Man.

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Speaker 1: I can help you run a va. I can help

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Speaker 1: you write a book about bare knuckle boxing. Now what

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Speaker 1: else do you want me to cook a grilled cheese?

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Speaker 4: No? I love it.

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Speaker 1: And and again I haven't grabbed a book so many

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Speaker 1: times while I've talked to an author or my guest.

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Speaker 4: Your book? This cover is it? Is it black Stone?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Man?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, availed on it it Amazon anywhere. But it looks fantastic.

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Speaker 5: They did a really good job with design. My agent

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Speaker 5: Shane Sellerno and Ryan Coleman at Story Factory were really

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Speaker 5: instrumental in the look and feelings. Well, but it's yeah. Look,

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Speaker 5: I mean, Bobby Gunn is a fascinating life from you know,

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00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 5: fighting grown men in parking lots at age eleven to

893
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Speaker 5: becoming a pro boxer, then leaving pro boxing at thirty,

894
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Speaker 5: just disillusioned with it. His mother had died, he got married,

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Speaker 5: he wanted a different life. For ten years, he just

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Speaker 5: fought solely in the underground and became a champion in

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Speaker 5: the illegal underground circuit of barre knuckle boxing. I've got

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Speaker 5: all these stories across the country of him fighting at

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Speaker 5: age forty.

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Speaker 4: It just smells like cbgbis for some reason. I don't

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Speaker 4: know why. You know what I'm saying. It's like, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's just that whole time frame.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we've got there. There's great photos throughout. So I

904
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Speaker 5: was with him for years. I was taking pictures. I

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Speaker 5: got amazing vintage photos from Gun and other people as

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Speaker 5: well that we included. But at age forty he goes

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Speaker 5: back to pro boxing and fights some real serious contenders.

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Speaker 5: Thomas Adamack Roy Jones.

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Speaker 4: Junior brought Roy Jones, Yeah, and Roy.

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Speaker 5: Jones was fascinating. So Roy Joints came up in Gulf Coast, Florida,

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Speaker 5: and his dad was into dogfighting.

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Speaker 4: That I know.

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Speaker 1: You guys watching May not be able to see the

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Speaker 1: best of it. Go get this book that that dude

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Speaker 1: is yoke man.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 3: He was you know, he was huge. He was huge.

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Speaker 4: I mean the guy he's just so tight.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know.

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Speaker 5: And he fought Roy Jones Junior and all these guys

921
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Speaker 5: were fascinated by his his seventy three and oh record

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Speaker 5: in Bare Knuckle Box.

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Speaker 3: He became a legend. You can you can YouTube him.

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Speaker 5: There are songs about Bobby Gunn. I mean, he's almost

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Speaker 5: like this legendary ghost figure, especially before the internet. You know,

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Speaker 5: when he was doing this stuff, it was just the

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Speaker 5: whisper of this guy. And he would come into town

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Speaker 5: like a gunslinger and take down the local tough, take

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Speaker 5: the money, and he disappear.

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Speaker 3: But you know, ro Joy's Junior was fascinated with that.

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Speaker 5: He had grown up with a father who fought dogs,

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Speaker 5: dog fighting, and he knew the blood support at the

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Speaker 5: cock fighting and he respected gun. A lot of these

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Speaker 5: guys respected Gun for his ability to fight Baron uncle.

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Speaker 5: And it's just an incredible life story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm really happy to have had you on the

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Speaker 1: show today. It's been a really great time. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I know I've had you for you know, a good

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Speaker 1: little while today, and so I think I'll just kind

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Speaker 1: of leave it on this positive note and just say

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Speaker 1: that you're always welcome back on the show anytime you

942
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: have something to say or want to talk about it.

943
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Speaker 1: You know, if you want to talk about, you know,

944
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Speaker 1: the article of you writing about Tyson Fury, you know,

945
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 1: or if you want to talk about all these different things.

946
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: You guys can go out and find all sorts of

947
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Speaker 1: articles that Stayton has written. Just go take a look.

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Speaker 1: Type in his name.

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Speaker 4: You'll find some Rolling Stones, Men's Journal, Esquire Stock or

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Speaker 4: so many. Yeah, seeing him.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much. This has been so much fun.

952
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Speaker 3: I love your show. Thank you for having me. It's

953
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Speaker 3: been real pleasure, you know.

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Speaker 1: And from all of us here at soft Rep mafiasoft

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Speaker 1: rep dot com. You know that's my hashtag right there, soaye,

956
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Speaker 1: you know, we say thanks for being on the show,

957
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,279
Speaker 1: thanks for being a friend of the program, and you're

958
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Speaker 1: always welcome back anytime, Stateton, So thanks again. And on

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Speaker 1: behalf of Styton and his book Bare Knuckle, the Bobby

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Speaker 1: gunn seventy three and Oh Undefeated, A Dad, A Dream,

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Speaker 1: A fight like You've never seen. By stateon Bonner. I

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Speaker 1: hope you get used to hearing your name all the

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Speaker 1: time like that, sir, so thank you for being on

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 4: I loved it well. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: And to my listener and viewer out there again, go

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Speaker 1: check out the merch We really appreciate that.

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Speaker 4: And check out our book club and we're going to

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Speaker 4: try to get that book right into that. And on

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Speaker 4: behalf of Brandon Webb, I'm gonna say peace.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to surf Red Radio