1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: Body Dies with Joseph Scott more. You know, anytime you 2 00:00:07,480 --> 00:00:10,560 Speaker 1: live with somebody, I think that it probably goes without 3 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: saying that it's a major commitment. I mean, you know, 4 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: you're enjoying them one day and maybe the next day 5 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: you're not. You're charmed by their idiosymocratic behavior, but then 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:31,160 Speaker 1: the next day you're put off by it. Well, that's 7 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,959 Speaker 1: the course of a normal relationship. But what is it 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:43,680 Speaker 1: that actually drives an individual to wait until their lover 9 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,840 Speaker 1: is asleep and they take a weapon and they shoot 10 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: them dead, and oh for the Piasta resistance, they decide 11 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: to dismember the body. What is it that flips that switch? 12 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: Today on bodybacks, we're going to discuss one such case 13 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 1: out of Fountain, Florida and a victim that actually fell 14 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 1: victim to the one that apparently loved him most. I'm 15 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:28,920 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybacks, Dave. What is 16 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:33,480 Speaker 1: it about these people that they do harm to somebody, 17 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: then they go to the trouble of at least attempting 18 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 1: to dismember the body, but yet they're not separating the 19 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:45,400 Speaker 1: body up enough to distribute it in multiple locations. They 20 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: want to hold on to the body and keep it 21 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: near them. It's always amazed me that element of dismemberment, 22 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: because when all is said and done, what's the point 23 00:01:56,520 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: of dismembering somebody? It just doesn't make sense, and it 24 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:05,800 Speaker 1: bothers me being kind of type A. It's let's see, 25 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: how can I it's less than efficient. I'll put it 26 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:08,959 Speaker 1: to you that way. 27 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 2: Well, Actually, Everett Averrette told investigators that her boyfriend Joseph Eilert, 28 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: and it is Eiler, right or Eller? How are we 29 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 2: saying it? 30 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: Eler? 31 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: Eyler? Okay? Then I was right? Hey starting off a 32 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: bat with a bang man, all right, Joseph Wiler. She says, 33 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: he left with a friend. I don't know where he is. Okay. Now, 34 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 2: I'm going to just give you a quick heads up here, 35 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,799 Speaker 2: whether you're Ashley Averrette or I don't know, top mom, 36 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 2: Kaylee Anthony, Casey Anthony, when you tell police that your 37 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: loved one went off with somebody or is with somebody else, 38 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: you better know who they are, maybe where they're from, 39 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 2: or get some details, right, you know. In the case 40 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 2: of Casey Anthony, top mom didn't know, you know, I 41 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 2: left her with the Zenaida or whoever? 42 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:00,800 Speaker 1: You know? 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 2: I left my toddler with this other person. I mean, 44 00:03:04,000 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 2: it turns out to be a lie. The lie gets 45 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,560 Speaker 2: found out. So when you tell police he went off 46 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,800 Speaker 2: with a friend, but you can't provide any idea of 47 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 2: what friend or where they went immediately, there is the 48 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: red flag. And to me, Joe, when somebody begins with 49 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 2: a lie, to somebody who's used to hearing lies, it's 50 00:03:27,320 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: pretty obvious. And how much further do you really have 51 00:03:30,520 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 2: to look? I mean, I know you have to do 52 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 2: an investigation, you have to make it look like you 53 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 2: looked at all possibilities. But in reality, I'm going to 54 00:03:37,120 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 2: tell you, when you're sitting across from your kid and 55 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,840 Speaker 2: you're looking at that homework page and it has a 56 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 2: big F that's been turned into an A, you know 57 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: the truth? You know, yeah, you do. 58 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:50,400 Speaker 1: That's I always warned people. You know, my students that 59 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:52,840 Speaker 1: come through my classes, even though they're criminal justice students 60 00:03:52,840 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: and forensics people, you know, they have run into the police. 61 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: They have run ins with the police. And over twenty 62 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 1: years career, I've had several students that I've had and 63 00:04:03,600 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: isn't it interesting they wind up in my office wanting 64 00:04:05,880 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: me to advise some afterwards, But I have told them from. 65 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: The beginning, really, maybe I shouldn't. 66 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: Have done this, maybe I should have done that. 67 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: So now you're a class in forensics is no longer 68 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 2: about educating someone on solving the crime. It's how to 69 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:22,279 Speaker 2: get away with a crime. 70 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:24,800 Speaker 1: I tell you that's a dark that's a dark road 71 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: we don't want to go down, because you know, and 72 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 1: even teasing, you know, I'll ask. I'll have a student 73 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,840 Speaker 1: that will say, you know, something like, well, how do 74 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 1: you get rid of a body? You know is acid? 75 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:39,360 Speaker 1: Can you use acid? 76 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:39,799 Speaker 2: Wow? 77 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:42,279 Speaker 1: And I'll take like a pregnant pause and stare at them, 78 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, the rest of the class 79 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:47,240 Speaker 1: gets the joke because you know, you're wondering, are you 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:51,880 Speaker 1: asking me this because the utility of you know, trying 81 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 1: to understand it from a perspective of wanting to be 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: a future investigator, or is there something darker and more 83 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: sinister in your past or maybe in your present? Well? Yeah, 84 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: you know, when you consider a case like this and 85 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:09,279 Speaker 1: when you're speaking to the cops, listen, cops go through 86 00:05:09,400 --> 00:05:14,679 Speaker 1: very specific training, and some are better at it than others. 87 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:19,880 Speaker 1: The best cops are that are interviewers, and interrogators are 88 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: always the ones that don't talk to most, but they 89 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: know what the correct questions are to ask and where 90 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: the points of pressure are. And for those out there 91 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: in the civilian world that aren't used to do the cops, 92 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: there are many people that think that they can cross 93 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: swords with cops, but you don't understand. It's like swinging 94 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 1: a baseball bat. You know, the more time you spend 95 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 1: in the cage, either you're really going to screw up 96 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: your swing or you're going to groove it. And for 97 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: most people that groove a swing, that means that takes 98 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: practice right, So for every swing of the back and 99 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 1: cops get multiple swings in the cage over and over again. 100 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: And it's not just like, for instance, a homicide case. 101 00:06:02,520 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: It's like somebody gets pulled over by the police. There's 102 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,039 Speaker 1: just certain things you don't say, you know, because you 103 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: think that you're going to maybe trump what they have 104 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: to say or you're going to outwit them. They hear 105 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: it constantly. They go from one blue light special to 106 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,280 Speaker 1: the next, pulling people over and over and over and 107 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: over again. And so the idea that you think you're 108 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 1: going to cross swords with this individual and come out 109 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: on the top. You're not. You're just not. So most 110 00:06:28,920 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: of the time it's best just to keep your mouth shut. 111 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: But of course some people think they want to but 112 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,640 Speaker 1: their mouth it just doesn't have the ability to engage lockjaw. 113 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: And I think that's what happened in this case. 114 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 2: I know I have the right to remain silent. I 115 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 2: just lack the ability. There you go. So when it 116 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 2: comes right down to it, just so you'll know that, 117 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 2: Joe and I love you. If you're ever talking to 118 00:06:55,560 --> 00:07:01,040 Speaker 2: an officer of the law, shut up and call a lawyer. 119 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,800 Speaker 2: That's all you got to do. And you know what, 120 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 2: every time I watch one of these and I get 121 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,920 Speaker 2: I get hung up with these YouTube videos show where people, 122 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 2: you know, they they just think they can you know, 123 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 2: you see them acting crazy. Police ask for your license 124 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: and registration. You don't get to tell him hold on, 125 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 2: I'm on the phone. You don't get to they do that, 126 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 2: and it boggles my mind. The people think they can 127 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 2: get away with it. And that's where I think this 128 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 2: comes from. Joe, in this particular case. Here we go 129 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,040 Speaker 2: March twelfth, twenty twenty six. We're talking a couple of 130 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: weeks ago. Here Joseph Eyler last scene at his home 131 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 2: in Fountain, Florida in the early morning hours, and from 132 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 2: that point on, family said communication just stopped. Family members 133 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: reported hearing a loud argument between Ashley Averett and Joseph 134 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: Eyler and as you mentioned, they were living together, correct, Yes, yes, 135 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 2: I think you mentioned it, but if you didn't, we Okay, 136 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: So they're fighting at four o'clock in the morning. Well, 137 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:05,880 Speaker 2: now people believe that was one of the last moments 138 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 2: that gez Filer was heard alive during this argument at 139 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:13,120 Speaker 2: four am. Now, I'm guessing this is going to be 140 00:08:13,200 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 2: kind of like a family fewed episodes. There's going to 141 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 2: be a whole bunch of people living in and around 142 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: this house that know every bit of information that's going on, 143 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 2: which only means that police are going to get a 144 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: lot of different stories about what was happening. Joseph Wiler 145 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 2: misses multiple workshifts. Family says that's completely out of character Joe. 146 00:08:32,400 --> 00:08:34,559 Speaker 2: We need to find out what happened, and they report 147 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: him missing March fourteenth, that's when the missing person's report 148 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: is filed. No contact for two days. That seems about 149 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 2: right for an adult. 150 00:08:41,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I suppose so in this this 151 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:52,680 Speaker 1: poor fellow, you know, he's he's missed what they're categorizing 152 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: as as multiple shifts at work, correct, you know, where 153 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:02,319 Speaker 1: he is just not showing up. And uh, he seems 154 00:09:02,520 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: kind of like salt of the earth kind of fellow. 155 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: None of us are perfect, right, but it seems like 156 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: he was faithful and you know in going going to work. Uh, 157 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 1: and when he you know, he he's not seen, he 158 00:09:18,320 --> 00:09:21,840 Speaker 1: doesn't show up. You know, people people become quite aware, 159 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: acutely aware. And again this goes into it goes into 160 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:31,880 Speaker 1: the idea that anytime you have a pattern that is 161 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: broken in say a suspects of life or a victim's life, 162 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: that's going to be a major clue. Because most people, 163 00:09:38,920 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: I mean you and I Dave, you know, there's many 164 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: things that we just don't deviate from. You know, for 165 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: me personally, when I when my feet hit the floor 166 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: in the morning, the first thing I'm doing is I'm 167 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: walking to the coffee pot. I'm going to flick it 168 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 1: on and I'm going to listen to that lovely sound 169 00:09:55,760 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 1: of the coffee brewing. And then if she's not already awake, 170 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 1: can we well it up and we will go sit 171 00:10:01,320 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 1: in our favorite chairs in our picture window, right, and 172 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: we will have our morning coffee. If I deviated from 173 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: that on any level, or if I didn't show up 174 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: at work to do a lecture, or if I got 175 00:10:13,920 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 1: invited on a show, you know, to appear, and these 176 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: times that we have to do are very very specific. 177 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: People are going to start to ask questions. And of course, 178 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: in the case of mister Eyler, that's what happened here 179 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: because he wasn't showing up. And it seems as though 180 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 1: that we've got stories, or a story at least that's 181 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 1: markedly inconsistent. So Dave, let me kind of give you 182 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: an idea as to who reported. And this goes to 183 00:10:58,400 --> 00:11:01,319 Speaker 1: an earlier point that you made. Who hoarded this argument 184 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 1: that having heard this was actually the victim's father that 185 00:11:08,200 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 1: heard this. Now, you know, you talk about people living 186 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: adjacent to one another, families, you know, you reference family 187 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 1: feud people that know what's going on under any one 188 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: roof at any particular time, particularly if you've got thin walls. 189 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 1: Mister Eiler Senior, he actually did, in fact here hear 190 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: an argument that was taking place, and that's the last 191 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 1: thingbody heard. Now, I don't know. I mean for a relative, 192 00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: particularly one as close as your father, you would think 193 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: that that's probably pretty reliable information. Of course, as you know, 194 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,520 Speaker 1: with all of cases we cover on bodybacks day, one 195 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:50,559 Speaker 1: of the most important things bits of information that we 196 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:53,960 Speaker 1: can't acquire is actually a timeline, and that's what you're 197 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: looking at here. 198 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 2: And that four am timeline is important because that's the 199 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 2: last time we know that Joseph Viler is heard, not 200 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 2: saying alive, just that's the last time anybody heard him. Now, 201 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 2: something to point out. Joseph Wiler is thirty eight years old. 202 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: He is a father of two little girls. He's a 203 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 2: guy who worked in construction later worked at a car dealership, 204 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 2: known by family and friends as a good guy, family oriented, helpful, outgoing. Okay, 205 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: so this is the kind of guy you would want 206 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 2: to be a friend and somebody that you could count on. 207 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: So you mentioned dad. Here's the argument at four him 208 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 2: he's been Joseph has reported missing. Police start investigating the 209 00:12:40,280 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: victim's father again. Joseph Viler is the victim here. He 210 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 2: also the father tells police that he notices after the 211 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: fight that items are being burned in a fire pit, 212 00:12:54,160 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: and he also describes heavy duty cleaning going on. Now. 213 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 2: I don't know about you, Joe, but heavy duty cleaning 214 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 2: only takes place when I pay somebody or my daughter 215 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: feels bad, you know, and comes over and does it. 216 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 2: It's not something that Dave Max is going to be 217 00:13:15,520 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 2: doing very often and probably need to. But the dad 218 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: points out heavy cleaning going on inside. He points out 219 00:13:22,960 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: missing bed sheets, some items are moved around, areas of 220 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 2: freshly disturbed soil in the yard, all of which raise 221 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,560 Speaker 2: immediate concerns. And Joe, bed sheet's gone heavy duty cleaning, 222 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 2: a fire pit and dirt disturbed in the backyard. What 223 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 2: does that tell you as a death investigator? 224 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: Joe, Well, when you begin to put all of this 225 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: mosaic together and you've got a missing missing person, which 226 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: he was for two days, I guess he had gone 227 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:59,080 Speaker 1: missing hadn't shown up. These things that are, you know, 228 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: out of so where it's relative to standard behaviors. Again, 229 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: you couple that with just think about the freshly turned earth. Now, 230 00:14:07,400 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: if you've got a fire pit out back, who's to 231 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: say that somebody could not have been burning something, but 232 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 1: having disturbed earth, which to me means that you've probably 233 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: got dirt that is not just disturbed, there's a high 234 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: probability it's probably mounded as well. And a mounded earth 235 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 1: relative to buried remains is not going to look like, say, 236 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:31,200 Speaker 1: for instance, a fire ant bed okay, where it kind 237 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: of comes to a sharp peak like that. You're thinking 238 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: about that, now, this is in this is this area? 239 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: I think it's Bay County, which is not it's in 240 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: the Panama City area, but it's Inland, Okay. This time 241 00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: of year, they're going to have fire ant beds that 242 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: are appearing down there. And you think about you walk 243 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: out in the yard, and if you're a native there, 244 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: you might look out there and they can be rather 245 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 1: large as well. This didn't look like saf for instance, 246 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: a fire ant bed that is kind of stacked on top. 247 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: You know, it comes to a peak. You're talking about 248 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 1: dirt that has been that has been turned. It'll be 249 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 1: in big clots. You look at a fire at bed, 250 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:13,320 Speaker 1: you've got tiny kind of granulated earth that's there. It's 251 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 1: not like that. And then you've got multiple of these locations. 252 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: It's one thing to say that you have activity that 253 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: has gone on in a burn pit, but when you 254 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: have turned earth. As an investigator, I'm going to want 255 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: to start to explore these areas and try to understand 256 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: because I'm missing a guy already. Then you couple that 257 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: with bed sheets, bed linens, that sort of thing that 258 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,840 Speaker 1: has been removed. So I don't know. I mean we 259 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: I think we change our sheets pretty regularly here in 260 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: the Morgan household. I know, I don't take them out 261 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: back and throw them in a big fifty gallon drum 262 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: and set them a blaze. So why are you getting 263 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,320 Speaker 1: rid of bed sheets? Well, obviously, you know, you begin 264 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: to think has some kind of trauma taking place here? 265 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: Is there something here that would indicate that something probably 266 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: pretty sinister has taken place. I think that that's probably 267 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: the direction that, at least in his mind, that the 268 00:16:12,880 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: father was going to because the father literally lived under 269 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 1: the same roof as the victim, his son and his girlfriend. 270 00:16:21,760 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 2: Dave and Joe put this together very quickly because you've 271 00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 2: got investigators in determining what happened to this missing person 272 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: March twelfth, last time we've heard from it at four am. 273 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 2: It's March fourteenth, when he's reported missing, and investigators come 274 00:16:37,560 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: out and they find out that there has been some 275 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: heavy Well, first thing they remember the first thing the 276 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 2: cops were told. Girlfriend says, well, he just went off 277 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 2: with some friends for a couple of days. Really, who where? 278 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 2: Give us some details? And she can't because she didn't 279 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: plan that, she didn't have her didn't have a good 280 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 2: story in place. And so they're talking to dad, who 281 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: also lives in the house, and well, we got heavy 282 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 2: duty cleaning, we've got bedjeets at burn pile turned earth. Yeah, 283 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: we got something to talk about. So very quickly, this 284 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 2: story is unraveling. And I don't know how long it 285 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,320 Speaker 2: was determined a missing person's case, but from the first 286 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 2: or second interview on site, they went with homicide detectives. 287 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: And that's where the investigation changes because Joe, you and 288 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 2: I have both been covering the Nancy Guthrie kidnapping since 289 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 2: it happened. And one of the things that was brought 290 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 2: into that case early on homicide detectives based on evidence 291 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: scene in the house. This isn't something that a lot 292 00:17:39,040 --> 00:17:41,720 Speaker 2: of people were talking about, but that is a fact 293 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: of that case that from the blood deposition they saw 294 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 2: in the home. We're not talking about the blood they 295 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: didn't seem to notice on the walkway outside the house. 296 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 2: But just saw inside the home. They being p MC 297 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 2: County brought in homicide detectives. So, Joe, we have detectives 298 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 2: called in from a missing person's case. They start taking information, 299 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 2: they immediately sense it something more dangerous, something much different 300 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: than what they're being told, and they're able to pretty 301 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: much start unraveling this story very quickly. The story begins 302 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:21,720 Speaker 2: to fall apart when officers are told by some I 303 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: think we heard gunshots on the March morning of March twelfth. Gunshots. Yeah, now, 304 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:35,120 Speaker 2: if cops here, missing person, burn pile, heavy cleaning amount 305 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: of dirt and oh, wait a minute, a gunshot. That 306 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,320 Speaker 2: does not sound like your boyfriend packed a bag and 307 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: took off for a trip with friends. 308 00:18:44,560 --> 00:18:47,359 Speaker 1: And oh it doesn't, know, it doesn't, particularly when you 309 00:18:47,400 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 1: hear that loud pop of multiple gunshots apparently. But if 310 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: you like that one, let me give you another one. 311 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,920 Speaker 1: Remember we were talking about mister Isler's father. Well, he 312 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 1: actually stated that at that same time. Remember he heard 313 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: the commotion. It's about four am, Dave. He's saying that 314 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: during the argument, and this is a quote from him, 315 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: he heard his son cry out and he observed him 316 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:24,679 Speaker 1: washing his face off, saying the defendant struck him with 317 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: a flashlight. So you've got a lot of activity going 318 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: on here, is it. Do you think that initially maybe 319 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: mister Eyler was told the same thing that he was told. Well, look, 320 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:44,280 Speaker 1: you know he's Joseph's gone, he's he's just he went 321 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: off with friends. Yeah, I know that, you know, you know, 322 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:50,840 Speaker 1: I know that that you heard us fighting. I know 323 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: that you heard these sounds. But he decided just to leave, 324 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 1: and then he begins to put two and two together. 325 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 2: Day. 326 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 1: You know, all he has to do is look outside, 327 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 1: look outside the house and see these changes that have 328 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: taken place in the yard. Not to mention the heavy 329 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: smell of disinfectant inside the house or potentially bleach, which 330 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 1: is a completely different smell than disinfectant. And if that's 331 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: not the norm, again, people are not maybe they're not 332 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 1: known in this household to go through and give it 333 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: a thorough washing or cleaning once a week. Suddenly you 334 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 1: smell bleach. I mean, I've got questions at that point, Tom, 335 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: if I'm occupying the same domicile, I want to know 336 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: where's the smell of bleach emanating, because I'm like you, man, 337 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: in my house, if I smell bleach in my house, 338 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,879 Speaker 1: probably a bottle of bleach has ruptured. It's not me 339 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:42,240 Speaker 1: going through the house and scrubbing down the floors in 340 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: a bathtub, and that might happen a couple of times 341 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 1: a year. Other than that, I'm using a fantastic and 342 00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:52,000 Speaker 1: comment maybe, but you know, I'm not going in. I'm 343 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: not going in and dousing the area with bleach. And 344 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 1: of course, what do we always hear, Dave With a 345 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: lot of these cases, We've got people people that are 346 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 1: seen buying cleaning supplies, people that are utilizing cleaning supplies, 347 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 1: and it's outside the norm, and it always seems that 348 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: bleach comes into play because I don't know, it seems 349 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 1: as though that people that have a nefarious bent to 350 00:21:15,160 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 1: them think that bleach in and of itself has got 351 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 1: some magical properties to just going to eradicate any kind 352 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 1: of item that might have evidentiary value. And of course, 353 00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: as we've talked about on body backs before, that is 354 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,119 Speaker 1: that's just not the case. As a matter of fact, 355 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: even where bleach is used, you can still recover DNA, Dave. 356 00:21:38,160 --> 00:21:41,639 Speaker 2: And that's what is really when you get to the 357 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: crust of the things that you know as an investigator, 358 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 2: and that detectives know. I mean, it's not like you 359 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 2: guys work in a vacuum. You know, they're constantly picking 360 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 2: your brain, you know, for information that helps them. I'm 361 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 2: sure you're getting information from detectives. I mean, it's not 362 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: like you guys are separated into your own little cell 363 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 2: of whatever to study on your own and figure it 364 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,680 Speaker 2: out on your own. Isn't there some sharing of information 365 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:08,199 Speaker 2: that actually allows you to come to gris with the 366 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: science that actually makes it make sense. Because there's something 367 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: in here that I'm very curious about. Joe. It appears 368 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,639 Speaker 2: Joseph Eiler was asleep when those gunshots were fired. 369 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: Joe, Yeah, it does, and that he was taken, as 370 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: they say, unawares. But I've got a big reveal for you, Dave, 371 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,120 Speaker 1: oh now, because just in the last day, there's been 372 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: more information about this case. And hold on to your hat, 373 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: my friend, because this actually involves pigs. A few years ago, 374 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: Kimmy and I went down to celebrate her birthday to 375 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: Key West, the first time I'd ever been to Key West, 376 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: and being the romantic that I was, I decided to 377 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: check her out on a movie date. While we're in 378 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: Key West. You know, hey, look, we're going to movies 379 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:14,959 Speaker 1: in Key West, all the all the things you can 380 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: do in Key West. We're going to movies. And at 381 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 1: that time in the movie in the in the theater 382 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: was showing the movie Hannibal, and of course is one 383 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: of the trilogy that Thomas Harris created with with the 384 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: character of Hannibal Lecter. And I couldn't I couldn't get 385 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: my wife to complete the movie because the movie involved 386 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: actually utilizing hawks to dispose of human remains. And this 387 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: movie was so grotesque all the way through that it 388 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: was just almost unbearable. Well, Dave, I gotta tell you 389 00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:02,200 Speaker 1: big reveal coming up here. Apparently in this particular case, 390 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: pigs hogs have some utility here. Apparently they're according to police, 391 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: not only did they find five specific areas of burial 392 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,840 Speaker 1: out there, and there were two that have just now 393 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: in the last couple of days been found in addition 394 00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: to those first two. And they reveal something. They were 395 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: using probes, which means they were taking methane probes and 396 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,720 Speaker 1: sticking them into the ground prior to digging it up, 397 00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:38,119 Speaker 1: which I'm glad because you can you can pick up 398 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: on those. 399 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 2: Show you've excited to me, and not everybody knows what 400 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 2: you mean. When you're talking about a proper a you're 401 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 2: actually talking about a piece of metal that goes into 402 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 2: the ground. 403 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and it'll it's specifically set up to detect methane. 404 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: And if you've ever seen a bloated human body, one 405 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: of the reasons that the body bloats is because in 406 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 1: the process of decomposition and methane gas is actually building 407 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 1: up in the body. Okay, And when bodies decomposed beneath 408 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 1: the ground or elements of the body, one of the 409 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: things that is given off is actually methane gas. And 410 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: you should not normally find methane gas kind of naturally 411 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,400 Speaker 1: occurring now there. If you go to swamps, for instance, 412 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: and there are any number if you ever hear about 413 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 1: swamp fires that take place in certain locations, they'll have 414 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 1: these little blue flames that'll pop up in swamps. And 415 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: in South Louisiana, we used to have swamp fires that 416 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 1: would start and it would just blanket it. You couldn't see, 417 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: couldn't see in front of your car, right because it 418 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: would just like overwhelm them. And a lot of stuff 419 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 1: happens as a result of the organic material that is 420 00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: breaking down, it's creating methane gas. It sparks off and 421 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: you have a fire. 422 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 2: So with that SI talking about the natural decomposition that 423 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: allows for this methane to be created that actually, without 424 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: any help from me, can make its way to the 425 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,679 Speaker 2: surface and a fire can actually be and it's methane. 426 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 1: Yea, yeah, it can if it can spark off, Yeah, 427 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:11,239 Speaker 1: if you have any kind of friction that occurs. And 428 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,680 Speaker 1: so it's a fascinating, you know, a little sod. 429 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 2: Can you imagine trying to imain how your husband wanted 430 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 2: to go fishing in the swamps of Louisiana and somehow 431 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 2: he blew up, Well, yeah, he lit a cigarette and 432 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 2: now was it? 433 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, kid, And it's just funny. 434 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,119 Speaker 2: It's not that pervasive. 435 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 1: It actually has to come from the ground and you 436 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,800 Speaker 1: can smell it every now and then, and but most 437 00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: of the time not. Methane is interestingly enough, it's kind 438 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 1: of odorless, but it still has enough of a detectable odor. 439 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: There are some gases that are out there that things 440 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:47,119 Speaker 1: like you know, I'm going to get this wrong, probably, 441 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: but like natural gas, I think there's an element of 442 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:51,639 Speaker 1: sulfur to it so that it's like a warning you 443 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 1: can actually smell it. Okay, So yeah, with methane, it 444 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:01,239 Speaker 1: can when when the stuff begins to build up, it 445 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,880 Speaker 1: has to escape, right, So if you bury a body, 446 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,639 Speaker 1: if you bury a body and it's not involved that 447 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: obviously you know, like we're talking about going to the 448 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,880 Speaker 1: cemetery of the graveyard. Now it's just kind of leaching 449 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,399 Speaker 1: out into the surrounding soil or the substrate where it's 450 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: kind of packed down on top of whatever element is 451 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,440 Speaker 1: buried there, whether it's an arm, a head, a leg, 452 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: a foot, or maybe an entire body, it's going to 453 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:30,399 Speaker 1: give off methane gas. And so, particularly early on in 454 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 1: an investigation like this, these investigators and by the way, 455 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:36,600 Speaker 1: one of the cops actually alluded to the fact that 456 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: they put in I think they said eighty hours worth 457 00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: of ground investigation in this clause. That's a tremendous amount 458 00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: of time that they're spending out there trying to go 459 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 1: over every area. They're taking these probes and sticking it in. 460 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 1: Remember we talked about turned earth. They're sticking it into 461 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: the turned earth to see if they can pick up 462 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 1: any element of methane. We say, well, Morgan, why don't 463 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 1: they just dig up? Why don't they just dig up 464 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,840 Speaker 1: the area? Great question. I'll tell you why they don't 465 00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: just blindly dig it up. Because if they can document 466 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: this is all from a legal perspective. If they can 467 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: document that they had evidence of methane being given off, okay, 468 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: that is enough for them to say, Okay, we had 469 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: an indication with a certified methane probe that we all 470 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,719 Speaker 1: use in these cases. It indicated the presence of methane 471 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:31,000 Speaker 1: which would not normally be occurring in this location. We 472 00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,920 Speaker 1: decided to dig in this area and lo and behold, 473 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: what did we find? Well, we found part of a 474 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,320 Speaker 1: human body at that point in time. So that's very 475 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: important from a documentary standpoint, because jury's one of the 476 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: things juries loved, Dave, is it's almost like connect the 477 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: dots because things get really confused and in court. But 478 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 1: if you can lay out to a jury right, you 479 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: can say, okay, mister Eler went missing. He's been missing 480 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: for two days. We see turned earth out there, we've 481 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 1: got a burn pit. And so what we decided to 482 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 1: do procedurally is we've gone through all these steps. We've 483 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 1: documented when he was last seen. We've got spots in 484 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:11,600 Speaker 1: the yard. We're going to probe it. We probe it. 485 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: Once we probe it, we photograph it before we ever 486 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,440 Speaker 1: put shovel to earth, and then we kind of quaterned 487 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,640 Speaker 1: it off. We might even break it down into grids 488 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: and we'll start taking the layers of dirt off and 489 00:29:23,040 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: there you know, you're staring at a toe the next 490 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: thing you know. Wow, I'm not saying that that's the 491 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: way it happened, but I've had that happen before. You know, 492 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: you see something and it really has a creepy factor 493 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 1: to it too, even for me when I was when 494 00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 1: I was, when I would be recovering bodies or you 495 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:43,760 Speaker 1: would be doing a dig, it's almost like part of you, 496 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: the flesh, your flesh, your your humanity. You don't want 497 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: to find something. But then you begin to brush away 498 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 1: some of this earth and you see the surface of 499 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: an arm with hair. Wow, you know it's kind of 500 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,400 Speaker 1: sticking up and you've revealed all so and the more 501 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: you brush away, the more kind of the outline appears, 502 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,760 Speaker 1: and then you know that you've got a human form here. 503 00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: It's just so sad that people come to an end 504 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: like that. 505 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 1: You know it really is, you know, Dave, what it 506 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: really really reminds me of is case out in Idaho 507 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 1: with uh TYLEI and uh JJ where they were buried 508 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:26,160 Speaker 1: on Chad day Pel's property or well Tiley only partially, 509 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 1: but you know when those investigators began to uncover, you know, 510 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,600 Speaker 1: from that burn pit, you know, elements that obviously were her. 511 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 1: You know, I can, I can identify with that. I 512 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: can you know, have that feeling in my gut that 513 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,640 Speaker 1: you're you're looking at something that you don't want to see. 514 00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: You're hoping that it's not there, but yet here it is. 515 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 1: And these these investigators down in Bay County, Florida, you know, 516 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: I don't want to speak for them, but they would 517 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 1: have had a similar experience and it doesn't just happen 518 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,560 Speaker 1: once they've initially they had five different sites in the yard. 519 00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 2: I was going to ask you about this show, because 520 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 2: all right, we have a story being told to police 521 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: that falls apart very quickly. Remember missing last scene four 522 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: am on the twelfth, last heard two days later, after 523 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 2: he doesn't show up for work or anything else, finally 524 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 2: reported missing. Now when the police show up and take 525 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,680 Speaker 2: the missing person's report, and start digging into it, I'm thinking, 526 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: if I'm the dad, yeah, and I don't see my 527 00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: son around the house for a couple of days, and 528 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,120 Speaker 2: I'm thinking something's going on. I need to find out. 529 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: I would not have waited two days. I would hope. 530 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 2: I would hope I would have been following up on 531 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 2: this the first time I called him and he didn't 532 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 2: answer the phone, you know, I mean just seeing holes 533 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:48,360 Speaker 2: in anyway. But when police confront Ashley and she finally admits, okay, 534 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 2: I killed him, but then she has to take it 535 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 2: a step further and say, yeah, then I what did 536 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,320 Speaker 2: she do to him? Joe, because you mentioned at the 537 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 2: very beginning, I don't know why people decide that the 538 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,239 Speaker 2: best way to get rid of a human being that 539 00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,880 Speaker 2: you supposedly used to love at some point is to 540 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: kill them first and then cut them up. Well, I 541 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: guess it's better to kill them before you cut them up. 542 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,120 Speaker 2: Be kind a tough. You get him does not whiggle 543 00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: around while you're cuting to that leg. But why is 544 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,360 Speaker 2: it that every time we get into this, it's like 545 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 2: they do it inside the house. They think this is 546 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,320 Speaker 2: the best decision they could make in this situation. Was 547 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: to make it worse. 548 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and certainly did. And it's you know, it's a 549 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: fly caught in fly paper, right. The more you move around, 550 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: the more caught you are. Is that is that accurate? 551 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:33,920 Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but you know what I'm saying. Yeah, 552 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: there's you have put yourself into a position now where 553 00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: she is going to be caught. Well, first off, he's 554 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,960 Speaker 1: shot in the bed, and as it turns out, he 555 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:47,479 Speaker 1: shot with a three eighty pistol, which is a small 556 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: caliber point three to eight inches imperial measurement, just like 557 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,320 Speaker 1: a thirty eight, only the round is not as robust, 558 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: has the same diameter as a thirty eight special, but 559 00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 1: it's not as long, and it's fired. This is a 560 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: semi automatic round. It's what we would refer to as 561 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:07,240 Speaker 1: a pocket pistol or a belly gun. Some people used 562 00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:09,440 Speaker 1: to call it belly gun, and it's something that's easily 563 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: concealed and hold it in your hand. Now, it's got 564 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:17,360 Speaker 1: a certainly a level of lethality to it that is effective. 565 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,720 Speaker 1: It was effective in this case. So let me kind 566 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 1: of break this down to you as I see it. 567 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: She shoots him in the bed while he's sleeping. Okay, Well, 568 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,959 Speaker 1: those sheets are going to have to be taken care of, 569 00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: and that goes to explain what Dad had at least 570 00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: alluded to it. At that point in time, sheets are missing, 571 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: They've been burned in the burn pit. He knows stuff's 572 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,160 Speaker 1: been burned. She takes him down the hall, puts him 573 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:44,640 Speaker 1: in the bathtub, and this is where she begins to 574 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 1: dismember him. What does she dismember him with? Well, we 575 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 1: don't know specifically, but we do know this that they 576 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:53,280 Speaker 1: were tools from around the house. And you know how 577 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,720 Speaker 1: this plays out. You know what kind of tools do 578 00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 1: we have at the house? Well, unless you're used to 579 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 1: feel dressing idea, you know, on your property, and you've 580 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: got that kind of experience, you're probably going to randomly 581 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: grab things that you think will easily do the job. Well, 582 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: in a bathtub, you know, you're you're not thinking that. 583 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: You know, I'm gonna use a saws all. I'm gonna 584 00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Speaker 1: get a saws all, plug it in the bath in 585 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,440 Speaker 1: the bathroom, or chainsaw or something like that. You're gonna 586 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: run and you're gonna grab something like a butcher knife 587 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: that's laid around the house. And what's amazing with some 588 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 1: of these cases, Dave, You'll go out there and you 589 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: will see multiple tools that are out there, and each 590 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 1: one of them might have tiny bits of blood or 591 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: tissue caught on them. You know why. It's like the 592 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: you know, the forest gump, you know, box of chocolates. 593 00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,040 Speaker 1: You don't know what you're gonna get. It's like they 594 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,880 Speaker 1: sample each one of these things to try to understand 595 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,359 Speaker 1: the level of effectiveness because it's something that they've never 596 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: done before. All right. And then once she does this, 597 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: she takes the body and takes it out into the yard. 598 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:07,360 Speaker 1: Now here's one of the interesting little asides that drop today. 599 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:12,680 Speaker 1: They say they, being the police, have witnesses that have 600 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:18,360 Speaker 1: apparently seen this gentleman's potential remains being placed into a 601 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:22,760 Speaker 1: hog pen, and that the hogs may have at least 602 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: partially consumed his body. Now, this is not something that 603 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: is a fairy tale. This is something that is effective. 604 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:35,080 Speaker 1: That hogs have been known to eat human remains. They 605 00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 1: are not you know, I know that we all think 606 00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: about slopping the hogs and that they're you know, vegetarians, 607 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: They ain't. Okay, they're omnivores, all right. They'll eat just 608 00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:48,920 Speaker 1: about anything that's out there, and so they're still exploring that, 609 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,480 Speaker 1: or at least the police are at this moment in tom. 610 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:55,280 Speaker 1: Any way that you look at this, it is another 611 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: gruesome chapter in crime where we have someone that has 612 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: taken somebody that was asleep, not awake, waited until they 613 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,760 Speaker 1: were asleep, and ended their life, and then on top 614 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:18,239 Speaker 1: of it, desecrated their remains by attempting to cut them 615 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: up into smaller pieces while the father of this man 616 00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: was in the same home, and then taking him and 617 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: burying all that remained of him in the backyard and 618 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 1: then potentially feeding him to animals. I don't know, guys, 619 00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 1: have we hit the basement yet? Not yet, I don't think. 620 00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 1: And it's not even in sight, but boy, is it 621 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 1: getting dark. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this is Bodybats