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Speaker 1: Welcome into the Official Colts Podcast from the NFL Combine

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Speaker 1: right down here in downtown Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jeffrey Gorman. JJ Stankovitz is here.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into some football, folks, I want to

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Speaker 1: keep you updated on something. If this man ran for

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Speaker 1: mayor of the Combine, I think you might be in

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Speaker 1: the running there.

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Speaker 2: Boy, you ever seen Dane Brugler work a room.

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Speaker 1: I haven't, but I've seen you work a room and

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Speaker 1: there's always six people around you, and there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of backslaps.

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Speaker 2: If they have a baby you're kissing that. I love it.

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Speaker 2: You know the time of year. I love this. I

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Speaker 2: love the just the you know, the run ins you

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Speaker 2: have with people. I saw Nate Alier old d Lion proach,

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Speaker 2: he's a new dad. That was a fun conversation to

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Speaker 2: have with him. I walked out of the convention Center

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Speaker 2: last night with George McCaskey, chairman of the Bears. Nice

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Speaker 2: is chatting with him. This is great. I love this.

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Speaker 2: It's it's a great time of year because all you

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Speaker 2: do is you talk football with whoever's walking by, and

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Speaker 2: you see him once or twice a year. You communicate

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Speaker 2: him with him over text, over you know, DM or whatever.

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Speaker 2: But when you seem in person and you get to

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Speaker 2: talk football, like for instance, one of the first people

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Speaker 2: I saw here was I'm not gonna say what team

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Speaker 2: this guy covers, but I walk up to him and

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Speaker 2: he just looks at me and goes, today's a great

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Speaker 2: day Arizona. And I'm like, no, no, and I go,

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Speaker 2: I go, uh, what are you talking about? And he goes,

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Speaker 2: there's a player on my team who probably may who

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Speaker 2: may not be on this team next year. And this

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Speaker 2: guy is a bleep and bleep bleep. See that's learned

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Speaker 2: something today. Okay, that's right. Yeah, and stay tuned because

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Speaker 2: those are coming up later. We're gonna put JJ on

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Speaker 2: the spot of a little bit that one. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I know it, but I'm gonna say, hey, what have

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Speaker 2: you heard and what has been sniffing around?

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Speaker 1: People been smelling and stuff like that around the rumblings

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Speaker 1: of the Combine. A good one coming up, Trevor Sikima

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Speaker 1: coming up from Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 2: That was a good chat, good chat. We had JJ

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Speaker 2: sat down with him.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna get you caught up on the latest

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Speaker 1: of what's going on here at the Combine and of course,

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Speaker 1: the prospects and everything, and also well we got to

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Speaker 1: go over the Chris Ballard press competence and that's kind

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Speaker 1: of one of them stuff.

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Speaker 2: Yeh, where I want to start, so Glad.

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Speaker 1: Obviously we love hearing from the general manager and the

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Speaker 1: head coach right there before we get into some specifics.

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Speaker 1: Were you surprised at anything you heard from Chris yesterday?

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Speaker 2: No, I mean it's rare that you have a GM

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Speaker 2: come to the NFL combine and say something that's surprising. Okay,

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Speaker 2: a lot of it is. I could have expected that.

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Speaker 2: I could have seen it being framed this way, but

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Speaker 2: you don't know until he actually says it. So the

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Speaker 2: thing that made news yesterday, right was the open quarterback competition.

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Speaker 2: We heard from Chris Ballard back in January that the

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Speaker 2: Colts are going to bring in competition for Anthony Richardson.

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Speaker 2: Now saying this week that it'll be open. That does

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Speaker 2: add a little bit more information as we kind of

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Speaker 2: piece this puzzle together what the Colts are going to

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Speaker 2: do at quarterback in twenty twenty five. Well, let me

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Speaker 2: ask you this.

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Speaker 1: When you say competition and the NFL, it comes to reps. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I'm guessing there's not enough reps for a three

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Speaker 2: No, would you say this is that definitely?

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Speaker 1: Whoever the veteran is that they bring in, well, okay,

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Speaker 1: I or if it's a if it's a veteran at

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Speaker 2: So the other thing he did say is everything's on

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Speaker 2: going to see the Colts take a quarterback with the

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Speaker 2: simple as the cults are going to go sign a

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Speaker 2: they're done. I wouldn't And look if that veteran. The

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Speaker 2: But that guy has to be good enough to actually compete.

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Speaker 2: That's something that Chris Ballard stressed a lot yesterday was

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Speaker 2: So you can't just sign a guy just to say, oh,

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Speaker 2: we got this veteran, he's gonna compete with Anthony and

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Speaker 2: a number of different ways you can go about this.

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Speaker 2: and then how those reps are going to get split up.

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Speaker 2: That right there is kind of the next question I have.

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Speaker 2: Now the Colts have to fill fill out their depth chart. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you know behind Anthony Richardson or with Anthony Richardson, But

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Speaker 2: then they got to figure out how those reps get

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Speaker 1: I am going to ask you something you I don't

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Speaker 1: looking at Anthony Richardson comes in, he's a you know,

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Speaker 2: Give you the ball. So this is where everything we've

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Speaker 2: I would welcome it. I love to compete. If they

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Speaker 2: want to bring someone in, I'll compete with him. If not,

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Speaker 2: I'll still do the same thing. I thinkquarterback competitions, though,

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Speaker 2: they are delicate situations because oftentimes you do see it

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Speaker 2: his level. That has happened. Sometimes it's happened though, where

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Speaker 2: sudden it does light a fire under the guy ahead

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Speaker 2: of him. I think you have to take every situation

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Speaker 2: in a almost in a vacuum, because every quarterback is different,

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Speaker 2: what we've seen in years past. For you know, your

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Speaker 2: your classic quarterback competition. So I look this up. Anthony

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Speaker 2: Richardson has attempted seven hundred and forty one passes in

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Speaker 2: have been thirty three other quarterbacks who have been drafted.

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Speaker 2: Of those thirty three, for our listeners and our viewers

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Speaker 2: just start thinking about this. Of those thirty three, how

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Speaker 2: many of them through more passes in college? Then Anthony

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Speaker 1: Okay, this is a great question, and I'm thinking, does

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Speaker 1: possibly that COVID years come into this.

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Speaker 2: I mean, the reason why I took the last three

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Speaker 2: got this open portal, and guys are generally staying in

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Speaker 2: college a little bit longer than in your past. Okay, However,

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Speaker 2: I think if I had gone back further and looked

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Speaker 2: at Anthony Richardson's I think it's three ninety three he

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Speaker 2: I don't want people to think that's a bad thing.

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Speaker 2: That is a sign of where Anthony Richardson is in

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Speaker 2: his development. Like you think about baseball, something that scouts

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Speaker 2: It's like a thousand or two thousand at bats. Anthony

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Speaker 2: low number. There are some quarterbacks who throw six hundred

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Speaker 2: just started raining, I think really hard. I'm a convention center,

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Speaker 2: which is why I look over and I see Casey

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Speaker 2: and that was a all right. Moving on the point

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Speaker 2: is Anthony Richardson. It's not a bad thing that he

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Speaker 2: hasn't thrown a lot of passes. I think it's actually

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Speaker 2: a good thing for this competition that the Colts are

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Speaker 2: Like we know that. But if you bring in that

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Speaker 2: be beneficial for building him up. This isn't a guy

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Speaker 2: This is a guy who's like, I welcome this. I

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Speaker 2: know I'm not there yet. You Know something Chris Ballard

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Speaker 2: said yesterday I thought was really interesting is that Anthony

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Speaker 2: He's realistic that he hasn't played enough. He's realistic that

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Speaker 2: the Colts haven't won enough games. And he completed forty

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Speaker 2: seven percent of his passes last year. He's not hiding

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Speaker 2: me that a competition could have a better outcome for

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Speaker 2: the Colts in twenty twenty five than we've seen with

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Speaker 1: Chris Ballard spoke yesterday and obviously a lot on Anthony

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Speaker 1: Richardson as JJ just said, we're coming up with Trevor

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Speaker 1: I can't wait the worldwide game that everybody loves to play.

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Speaker 1: Are you surprised with JJ Stankowitz? I didn't know if

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Speaker 1: He's one of those guys where he say, Okay, whoever

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Speaker 1: Let's stay there on the offensive line right now, Ryan Kelly,

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Speaker 1: you know, rosters are taking shape.

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Speaker 2: Give me the goods.

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Speaker 1: The goods I say on a young man that's going

434
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Speaker 1: to be looking at a big contract, and that's dioa

435
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Speaker 1: Dango and what he does so well in this defense,

436
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Speaker 1: and with the new DC coming in, what does it

437
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Speaker 1: look like if he does stick around here?

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Speaker 2: So Dio? You know, I thought what Chris Ballard said

439
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Speaker 2: about Dio yesterday was pretty interesting that he's you know,

440
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Speaker 2: he's a guy who you know that the sacks went

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Speaker 2: down last year. He went from five sacks and twenty

442
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Speaker 2: two to eight sacks and twenty three to three sacks

443
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Speaker 2: and twenty four, so you know, those numbers did go down.

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Speaker 2: He had forty two pressures last year, and actually those

445
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Speaker 2: forty two pressures were a career high. He would he

446
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Speaker 2: had you only had twenty five pressures in twenty twenty two,

447
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Speaker 2: he had twenty nine and twenty twenty three, and then

448
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Speaker 2: a career high forty two in twenty twenty four. So

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Speaker 2: I think what Chris said is, yeah, the sacks went

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Speaker 2: down teams around the league, and he said this, other

451
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Speaker 2: teams noticed Dio Danngbo's continuing to assent. Yeah, and you know, look,

452
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Speaker 2: the guys like Diyo Dangbo usually get paid. And I

453
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Speaker 2: don't know if it's going to be by the Colts

454
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Speaker 2: or if it's going to be by someone else, but

455
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Speaker 2: is the way that he's played over the last you know,

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Speaker 2: over the last maybe two three years. And then again

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Speaker 2: you go back to the draft valuations of this guy

458
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Speaker 2: where they were. If he didn't tear his achilles leading

459
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Speaker 2: up to that twenty twenty one draft, he might have

460
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Speaker 2: been a first round pick. So there are probably a

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Speaker 2: lot of teams that had really good grades on Dio

462
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Speaker 2: a Dangbo who now might say, Okay, it's four years

463
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Speaker 2: later and he's clearly past the achilles. We're seeing a

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Speaker 2: guy who's an ascending player. Let's maybe go place a

465
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Speaker 2: pretty big bet on this guy. I wouldn't be shocked

466
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Speaker 2: by that, you know that. And look, if Dio does leave,

467
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Speaker 2: the Colts are going to have to fill out their

468
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Speaker 2: defensive line room. That's where they know. You've got Quidie

469
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Speaker 2: Pey coming back. You've got a lot too, got Taekwon Lewis,

470
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Speaker 2: you got Samson Ebcon coming back. But even with those four,

471
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Speaker 2: it's like you kind of need like that fifth guy.

472
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Speaker 2: That's what the room was built to be last year, right, well,

473
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Speaker 2: you know before Samson got hurt, was it was built

474
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Speaker 2: to be that like five man rotation where you're like,

475
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Speaker 2: man that that is as deep of a defensive end

476
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Speaker 2: rotation as any team has. In the end, I wouldn't

477
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Speaker 2: be shocked if the Colts still a prioritize defensive end

478
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Speaker 2: in free agency and or the NFL Draft just to

479
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Speaker 2: continue to build that rotation, because look, you never know

480
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Speaker 2: if a guy who's going to go down like Samson

481
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Speaker 2: did before the season, did you know started and you

482
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Speaker 2: had to fill that, but you did have good depth

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Speaker 2: to step in when he did get hurt. Wow, that's

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Speaker 2: that's good call. Dioa dangbo.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna figure out what's going on here, and I

486
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Speaker 1: know it's not much on this but the latest and greatest.

487
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Speaker 1: We're just gonna sit and wait for the EJ Speed

488
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Speaker 1: Juliet Blackman updates and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: As far as where they are on their free agen, yes,

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Speaker 2: we'll see when those kind of come in mid March.

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Speaker 2: They're just kind of gonna come in mid March.

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Speaker 1: Okay, time now to get smarter, and we'll do that

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Speaker 1: with JJ Stankowitz and Trevor Sikkama from Pro Football Focus

494
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Speaker 1: talking obviously what's going on here at the NFL combine

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Speaker 1: the upcoming draft and the Colts overall.

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Speaker 2: Here's Trevor with JJ. It is my pleasure to be

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Speaker 2: welcomed here on the Official Colts Podcast by Trevor Sikima

498
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Speaker 2: from Pro Football Focused, host of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast.

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Speaker 2: Before we started this, Trevor, yes, we were going back

500
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Speaker 2: and we were looking at an episode you did with

501
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Speaker 2: Connor Rodgers on NFL Stock Exchange where you did fix

502
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Speaker 2: your franchise for the Colts and at the end of

503
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Speaker 2: it you did a three round mock. And this is

504
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Speaker 2: like November, so you guys obviously are locked into the draft,

505
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Speaker 2: You're tuned into it. I think a lot of Colts

506
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Speaker 2: fans and a lot of just NFL people are sort

507
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Speaker 2: of like, yeah, I will watch a little college football.

508
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Speaker 2: That sure, the guy you had mocked in the first

509
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Speaker 2: round of the Colts was Tyler Warren, who fast forward

510
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Speaker 2: three months later, I do these mock draft round ups

511
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Speaker 2: and he's the guy who consistently is the most mocked

512
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Speaker 2: player to the Colts at number fourteen. Yeah, so let's

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Speaker 2: start here. Tell us about Tyler Warren. What can folks

514
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Speaker 2: expect out of him this week? What's his profile and

515
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Speaker 2: why is he so frequently mocked to the Indianapolis Colts.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I think when you talk about

517
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Speaker 3: mock drafts, you talk about, you know, having a need, right,

518
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Speaker 3: and it feels as though the Colts offense there's a

519
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Speaker 3: lot of weapons that they have already. But if there's

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Speaker 3: an area where it feels like they were investing with

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Speaker 3: a first round pick, it would be that tight end position.

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Speaker 3: So I think, first and foremost the need makes sense

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Speaker 3: for them. But then of course you look at some

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Speaker 3: defensive needs that they have as well, and you wonder,

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Speaker 3: all right, well would that take precedent maybe in the

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Speaker 3: middle of the first round there, But then you have

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Speaker 3: to go to sort of the best player available and

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Speaker 3: just overall talent approach. That's where Tyler Warren really starts

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Speaker 3: to separate himself, and so you can convince yourself that,

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Speaker 3: all right, let me look at tight end, and then

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Speaker 3: once you do, you have a player that brings everything

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Speaker 3: to the table.

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Speaker 4: I think that whether it's you know, a TJ.

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Speaker 3: Hockinson comparison that a lot of people go to, some

535
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Speaker 3: people love the shout out the Dallas Clark comparison as

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Speaker 3: well Colts Ledge.

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Speaker 2: So this is like a hy in line tight end guy,

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 3: But it's somebody who can definitely play for you in line,

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Speaker 3: which I think goes towards the Colts philosophy of how

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Speaker 3: balanced they like to stay on the offensive side of

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Speaker 3: the ball. They like to be able to go power

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Speaker 3: one moment a little heavier personnel, but then spread it

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Speaker 3: out if they want to. I think that with Michael

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Speaker 3: Pittman and Josh Downs and and Adie Mitchell, like at

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Speaker 3: Alex Peerce, like you have the guys just spread it

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Speaker 3: out if you want to, you know, go for wide,

548
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Speaker 3: go eleven personnel. But then you also have times where

549
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Speaker 3: hey it's third and short, fourth and short, let's run

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Speaker 3: the damn ball.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Then you also got those players on the offensive line

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Speaker 3: and Tyler Warren would just be an extension of that. Now,

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Speaker 3: the best part about him is he's able to help

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Speaker 3: out both parts of the offense. He is somebody who

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Speaker 3: has the frame, the size, the strength to be able

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Speaker 3: to hold up in line on the line of scrimmage,

558
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Speaker 3: but he also could play for you in the slide.

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Speaker 4: He's also a great virsaal receiver.

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Speaker 3: Heck, he even caught a touchdown from the center position

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Speaker 3: this year when Penn State was playing USC and kind

562
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Speaker 3: of a trick play that they weren't ready for, but

563
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Speaker 3: helped emphasize one of their go to players in the

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Speaker 3: passing game.

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Speaker 4: And I'll say this about Tyler Warren.

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Speaker 3: I think the reason why we talk about him as

567
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Speaker 3: highly as we do, whether it's a fourteam for the

568
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Speaker 3: culture even a little bit higher sometimes than mock drafts,

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Speaker 3: is as the game of football just in general is

570
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Speaker 3: getting faster, a lot of positions are getting a little

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Speaker 3: bit lighter. Linebackers, tight ends. We see that a lot

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Speaker 3: with those two positions in particular. They're just getting a

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Speaker 3: little bit lighter to get a little bit more speed

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Speaker 3: onto the field. In this kind of a modern age,

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Speaker 3: Tyler Warren is a little bit of a throwback player

576
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Speaker 3: who brings you everything that you would want for.

577
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Speaker 2: But that does seem to be a bit of a

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Speaker 2: trend in the NFL, at least last year, where you

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Speaker 2: started to see a little bit more of an emphasis

580
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Speaker 2: on the run game and having that belcow running back.

581
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Speaker 2: I think there was six running backs last year who

582
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Speaker 2: had three hundred more carries. In twenty twenty three there

583
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Speaker 2: were none. So if you can have that in line

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Speaker 2: tight end who you can be an eleven personnel and

585
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Speaker 2: you can keep Josh Downs on the field in this case,

586
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Speaker 2: but you can still run the ball. That to me

587
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Speaker 2: is almost more important for a tight end position. I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you though about just like comparisons to

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Speaker 2: brock Bowers, because I think, you know, you think about

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Speaker 2: last year and the guy when you're sitting here in

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Speaker 2: this Mediata convention center is all brock Powers, brock Bowers.

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Speaker 2: Brock Bowers. Could he be a top five pick was

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Speaker 2: sort of the question for him, and obviously he went

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Speaker 2: thirteen to the Raiders. How do those two guys compare

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Speaker 2: in terms of their skill set, in terms of how

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Speaker 2: offenses would use them in their rookie year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, just trying to think of where we

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Speaker 3: were last year with brock Bowers, because obviously you look

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Speaker 3: at him and what a record breaking, incredible rookie season

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Speaker 3: that he had, And it's obviously it's obvious to look

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Speaker 3: at that and be like, you know, why didn't he

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Speaker 3: go in the top eight, the top five, whatever it is?

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Speaker 3: And I think the reason why is because there were

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Speaker 3: a little bit of some size concerns with him. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's just he's not the biggest tight end.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 3: Pound for pound, I do think that he's a good blocker,

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Speaker 3: but there was some he was he was a little lighter.

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Speaker 3: I wonder if he got up to like two forty

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Speaker 3: two forty five for the combine, but his playing weight

611
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Speaker 3: was right around five hundred forty pounds when he was Georgia,

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Speaker 3: So he's a little bit smaller of a guy. So

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Speaker 3: did teams in the NFL look at him and say, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: he played full time. He played in line a little

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Speaker 3: bit in college, but was he going to do that

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Speaker 3: at the NFL level? I think there was a little

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Speaker 3: bit of give and take there for whether or not

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Speaker 3: that was going to be the case. He played mainly

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Speaker 3: in the slot this season, and we obviously saw the

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Speaker 3: returns on investment there.

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Speaker 4: With Warren, I don't think you have those concerns, and

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Speaker 4: that's why.

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Speaker 3: You know whether it's in Indianapolis at number four I

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Speaker 3: almost think that Indianapolis at fourteen sort of feels like

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Speaker 3: his floor at this point. He's somebody that would fit

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Speaker 3: him a lot, but there's too many teams above the

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Speaker 3: Indianapolis Scholts that could also take him where that I

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Speaker 3: think is very real. And the reason is is because

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Speaker 3: when you look at him and you watch his game

630
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Speaker 3: and what he is like as an inline blocker and

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Speaker 3: just the overall size that he has, you're running out

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Speaker 3: of reasons.

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Speaker 4: To not pick this guy.

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Speaker 3: And so the Colts obviously can get a player like

635
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Speaker 3: that at number fourteen, they'd be really pumped up about it.

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Speaker 3: He would win, I think in more in line ways

637
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Speaker 3: than Brock Bauers would and probably in a little bit

638
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Speaker 3: less of ways. That I have to say that because

639
00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: Brock had a record breaking rookie season when it comes

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Speaker 3: to that slot receiving ability.

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Speaker 4: But both of these guys bring so much to the offense.

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Speaker 2: So in your latest mock for Pro Football Focus, you

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Speaker 2: had the Colts trading back with the Chargers picking up

644
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Speaker 2: an extra I think second and fifth swapping forth yep,

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Speaker 2: and taking the cornerback out of East Carolina. Yeahavon Revel

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Speaker 2: he's coming off an acl is Is that right? Yes?

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Speaker 2: So what about what about that? Just that thought process

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Speaker 2: led you to say, yeah, maybe the Colts will kick

649
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Speaker 2: back here, They'll take a trade sy defensive back who

650
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Speaker 2: is coming off of a significant injury. Yeah.

651
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Speaker 3: So there's a lot of things going to this. First

652
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,680
Speaker 3: and foremost when it comes to the trade itself. I

653
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 3: look at this draft. I think a lot of people

654
00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 3: look at this draft and say the strength is going

655
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 3: to come on Day two.

656
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 2: Right.

657
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 4: It's not flooded with blue chip talents.

658
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,040
Speaker 3: It's like we don't have ten twelve blue chip guys

659
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: that are headlining this draft. There's some good guys that

660
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 3: are going to be great football players. Obviously we talked

661
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,440
Speaker 3: about one of them in Tyler Warren. But I think

662
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,239
Speaker 3: when you look at four or five years from now,

663
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: when we look back at the twenty twenty five NFL Draft,

664
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Speaker 3: I think the teams that quote unquote won the draft

665
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: are going to be the teams that really nailed those

666
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: second and third round picks because they're going to make

667
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: up so much of those rotational starters, those depth players

668
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 3: that really made out the core of their team and

669
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 3: really was able to raise the floor. So I think

670
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Speaker 3: that Chris Ballard, who I have a lot of respect

671
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 3: for for his scouting of mind and how he goes

672
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Speaker 3: about the NFL Draft, I think he realizes that too.

673
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,880
Speaker 3: And right now they don't have any additional Day two selections,

674
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Speaker 3: But if you think about trading back a little bit,

675
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: maybe getting an extra one of those guys, if the

676
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 3: Colts front office and Ballard believes that, again, the strength

677
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: or the lasting impact of this draft is going to

678
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 3: come from having more of those round two, round three picks,

679
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Speaker 3: especially if.

680
00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,080
Speaker 4: You're picking guys in the trenches.

681
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 3: I think that that could be a move that really

682
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: intrigues them when they come on the board at number fourteen,

683
00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: and again especially if maybe Tyler Warren's off the board

684
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,000
Speaker 3: at that point, they start calling some teams about some

685
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 3: guys who have fallen. So then you get into where

686
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 3: I had them trading back with the Los Angeles Chargers

687
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:16,719
Speaker 3: still the early parts of the twenties. I believe it's

688
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 3: picked number twenty two, and I had them taking Revel

689
00:29:19,320 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 3: who very talented cornerback, late breakout type of a player.

690
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 3: He's gonna be one of the older corners in this class.

691
00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 3: Is gonna be twenty four years old on draft day.

692
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: He's coming off that acl injury. And normally when you

693
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 3: get higher age coming off of major injury and maybe

694
00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:33,880
Speaker 3: you stay away a little bit. But this guy is

695
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,320
Speaker 3: so crazy athletic. I mean, there are plays that I

696
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 3: watched of him earlier this year where, okay, the timing

697
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 3: and the technique of him playing in press coverage that

698
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 3: definitely needs work. A wide receiver might be able to

699
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 3: get off the line of scrimmage a little bit cleaner

700
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 3: than you want for a guy who has his kind

701
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: of strength and length. But then if that receiver gets

702
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 3: even and even up the field, Revel flips his hips,

703
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: puts his foot in the ground, and it's almost like

704
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: he overruns the wide receiver. Like that's how good of

705
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: recovery speed and how good of an athlete this guy is.

706
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 3: He's got great ball skills to him as well, and

707
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 3: so there's things that you got to think about with

708
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 3: him as a prospect, But holy cow, it's hard to

709
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 3: not look at him and think this is a ball

710
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: of clay that could be an all pro corner at

711
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Speaker 3: some point.

712
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Speaker 2: How do you think about mock drafts like putting those

713
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Speaker 2: together at this stage of the calendar. Are they thought

714
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: exercises or are they like this is what I think

715
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Speaker 2: will happen.

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Speaker 3: I think right now they are more thought exercises for

717
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:28,320
Speaker 3: me when I think about mock drafts. Yes, I want

718
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: to stay within the realm of realism. I don't want

719
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Speaker 3: to lead anybody astray or anything like.

720
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Speaker 2: That, but I do.

721
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Speaker 3: I think A had four or five trades in my

722
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Speaker 3: most recent mock because I'm exploring opportunities to see, all right, well,

723
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Speaker 3: if it's not as consensus of rankings as it has

724
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Speaker 3: been in years past, then why wouldn't we think there

725
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 3: could be some movement in the first round. Here is

726
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Speaker 3: who I think might be willing to move up or

727
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: down when it comes to the NFL draft. And I

728
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 3: really reserve those mocks in April and especially you know,

729
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: before free agency. It's really hard to do a mock

730
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 3: draft based on what you think is gonna happen, right

731
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Speaker 3: because there's so many signings that are gonna happen around

732
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Speaker 3: the league that impact what teams might have and who

733
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Speaker 3: might be on the board, So I think all of

734
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,280
Speaker 3: those things go into it, so I reserve.

735
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Speaker 2: Sort Now, last year, you could have done a mock

736
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 2: draft where the Falcons just signed Kirk Cousins and you'd

737
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 2: be like, they're not gonna take a quarterback, and that's

738
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: you know what, that's a great point.

739
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 3: Maybe we should have stuck with the prefree agency mock drafts.

740
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Speaker 3: That's what makes covering the draft a lot of fun

741
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 3: because you just you never know what's gonna happen with

742
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:29,239
Speaker 3: things like that, which is hilarious because on draft Day

743
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 3: we probably thought, what the heck are the Falcons doing?

744
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 3: And now a year later we go they're kind of

745
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 3: glad that they did that. So yeah, I think that

746
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 3: they're more thought exercises right now, and then when we

747
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 3: get into April, it's a lot more about, Hey.

748
00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 4: Here's where what I really think is gonna happen.

749
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Speaker 2: You said that this year's draft is more geared toward

750
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Speaker 2: kind of those Day two depth guys. Is there any

751
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 2: connection to more veteran players entering the draft because of

752
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: NIL and because of the portal and they're being more

753
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,080
Speaker 2: of that depth and you're talking about who's twenty four

754
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: years old? Yeah, you know, maybe in a previous life

755
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 2: before nil, maybe he is a halfway decent third year

756
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: and he's like, I'm just gonna come out because I

757
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 2: want to get paid sooner. But now you have more

758
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: of these older prospects. We are kind of past the

759
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 2: COVID opt outs. But you with guys being able to

760
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 2: go back to school and play another year, right and

761
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: not miss out on money? Yeah, does that have any

762
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: impact on that? Yeah?

763
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Speaker 4: I think it does.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's an interesting thought, and I think it's

765
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Speaker 3: going to be something that we're going to be able

766
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 3: to look back and sort of study.

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Speaker 2: Here is.

768
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Speaker 3: You know, we always gravitate towards those younger players, those underclassmen,

769
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,640
Speaker 3: because we think that manage it. You look at this

770
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 3: guy and you go, okay, well he's not the most

771
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 3: technically refinement. The ceiling is so high. Well, in this class,

772
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: it's a little bit more of Hey, these guys are

773
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 3: a little bit more polished. And I wonder if that

774
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,160
Speaker 3: is why we are really looking at that day too,

775
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 3: to say, hey, I can already envision so many of

776
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:53,680
Speaker 3: these guys being productive pros because the baseline of their

777
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 3: technique and how they approach the game is at a

778
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 3: level that you feel good about drafting and you can

779
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 3: see them as sort of Yeah. The phrase plug and

780
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 3: play is sometimes used a little bit too much because

781
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 3: anytime you're going from college of the NFL, it's a

782
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 3: really hard thing to do. But it's easier to see

783
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: that with some of these older prospects who have played

784
00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 3: a little bit more, started a little bit more, and

785
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: you could see them at least filling out your roster

786
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 3: and rotational roles for sure.

787
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Speaker 2: All Right, put on your GM hat. What's the one

788
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 2: thing or maybe the most important thing you think the

789
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 2: Colts need to do this offseason.

790
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,239
Speaker 3: I think that it's improving the secondary, right. I think

791
00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 3: that they add some talented players in the secondary. They've

792
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 3: had some injuries, some guys in and out of that lineup,

793
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: not just this year, but over the last couple of years,

794
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 3: and it was just too up and down for them,

795
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: it really was. I think they've done a lot of

796
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 3: really great stuff on the offensive side of the ball,

797
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 3: certainly making sure the offensive line is as stout as

798
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 3: it has been an O'Ryan Kelly's obviously an upcoming free

799
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 3: agent Will Frieses as well, so kind of figuring things

800
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: out along the offensive line making sure that unit is

801
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 3: good to go. But you like the pass catchers, I'd

802
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 3: like the options that they have around Anthony Richardson. I

803
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 3: think he is set up well enough to really take

804
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 3: a next step and be somebody who if it is

805
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 3: in the cards for him, it's there this year to

806
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,280
Speaker 3: be able to do that. But on the defensive side

807
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 3: of the ball, I just felt like it was a

808
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: little too up and down for them, specifically in that secondary.

809
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 3: They had some big moments, but the floor to me

810
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,040
Speaker 3: was too low when the wave was going up and down.

811
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Speaker 3: So getting a couple of new secondary players, getting a

812
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 3: new lineup at there, whether it's a safety or corner,

813
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: I think it's just paramount for this team.

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Speaker 2: All right, last one for you, Trevor. I know you're

815
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: Florida guy, your big Anthony Richardson guy, you have been

816
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 2: in the past. Let's catch up on him. Where are

817
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 2: you with Anthony Richardson right now? You talked about the

818
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 2: infrastructure being in maybe a pretty good place. Where are

819
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: you with him specifically in his ability to take that

820
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 2: next step that he needs to take in year three?

821
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Speaker 4: Make or break year? I mean, there is no doubt

822
00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:40,839
Speaker 4: about it that this is the make or break year.

823
00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:44,440
Speaker 3: I think that there it's been divisive because there is

824
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 3: reason to say, hey, you know it's not all on him.

825
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 3: You know, there are things that were outside of his control.

826
00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,600
Speaker 3: And then there's also stuff on the other side where

827
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 3: it's like, yeah, okay, he could have handled this better,

828
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 3: or maybe you would want to see a little bit

829
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 3: more growth for him. The fact of the matter is

830
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:57,160
Speaker 3: he only started one year when he was at the

831
00:34:57,239 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 3: University of Florida, only had a handful of starts before

832
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 3: he gets hurt, and he's rehabbing through the injury. He's

833
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 3: getting that and then obviously last year the roller coaster

834
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:05,319
Speaker 3: of sort of you know, him getting benched and then

835
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 3: him being back in the line of what you're hoping

836
00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,480
Speaker 3: is that you are hoping to set up the most

837
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: stable situation where you get this player to start for

838
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: a full year for you. So at the end of

839
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: twenty twenty five you have a definitive answer to the

840
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: Anthony Richardson question. So, yeah, that's that's kind of where

841
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,640
Speaker 3: I am. I still think obviously Richardson has all of

842
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: the talent in the world, but I'll also tell you

843
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: that right now, the consistency has not been good enough

844
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,919
Speaker 3: from him, So this really is the make or break

845
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: year for him, and I'm excited to see what happens.

846
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,600
Speaker 2: Good stuff. Trevor Sikima from Pro Football Focus and the

847
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 2: NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Appreciate your time, man.

848
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: Thanks the same time, big thanks to Trevor Sikima from

849
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus.

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Speaker 2: What wrap it up? Tie Bow?

851
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 4: On that interview?

852
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: For me?

853
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: What were we got? Just? I feel like the cult

854
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: T aren't as far away as some folks might think.

855
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: Who's so fun that talking to Trevor Well, I mean, look,

856
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Ballard, he was right about this that

857
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: he said the Colt t aren't close, right, you know,

858
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:00,919
Speaker 2: we're not close the GMS, right, But I don't think

859
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: they're as far off as a roster as the sort

860
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:09,880
Speaker 2: of just like mediocre, you know, last two years or

861
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 2: you're literally a five hundred team may indicate. I think

862
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 2: that this team's got a lot of good players. You

863
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: drop a great player into this team, or you continue

864
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 2: to bolster it, or you get great quarterback play. There

865
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 2: are different avenues for this team to really ascend it.

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00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 2: And yeah, just listening to Trevor, I kind of feel

867
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Speaker 2: like he sees it that way. And that's encouraging that

868
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Speaker 2: someone from the outside, you know, with the fresh perspective,

869
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Speaker 2: also kind of sees it that way.

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Speaker 1: Check came out at Pro Football Focus. Big thanks again

871
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Speaker 1: to Trevor JJ. Like I said, you wander around here,

872
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Speaker 1: you talk to a lot of people, You're doing a

873
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Speaker 1: lot of stuff. You know, you're interjecting with other I mean,

874
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Speaker 1: just before we get to ru Surprise, which is a fun,

875
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: fun segment that you know nothing about yet, but it's

876
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 1: going to be fun, I promise, what are you finding

877
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Speaker 1: out around here?

878
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Speaker 2: Like let's start. You know, what's the cold set fourteen?

879
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 2: You know what are they looking lot? Well? I mean

880
00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 2: you talk to the draft experts here and a lot

881
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 2: of them are just going to default to, you know,

882
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 2: one of the tight ends or a defensive back. That's

883
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Speaker 2: kind of the default. Now, that doesn't always mean that's

884
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Speaker 2: how it's going to play out. A year ago, I

885
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 2: think you looked at it and then it was like, okay,

886
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,839
Speaker 2: you've got you know, you got the Colts looking at

887
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Speaker 2: maybe a wide receiver, maybe a tight end. I don't

888
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,080
Speaker 2: think anyone was talking about a defensive end. And then

889
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 2: that pops up. They take layout too a lot too

890
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Speaker 2: with the fourteenth fifteen you or whatever it was, fifteenth

891
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Speaker 2: overall pick. So it's hard to kind of gauge where

892
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Speaker 2: anyone's at right now, just because you don't know how

893
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Speaker 2: free agency is going to play out. And you know,

894
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Speaker 2: if the Colts were to take a swing at one

895
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Speaker 2: of those positions, then that might lessen the immediate need

896
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Speaker 2: for the Colts to go out and get a guy

897
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Speaker 2: with that high of a pick. But yeah, I mean,

898
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Speaker 2: you know, you talk to a lot of people. You

899
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Speaker 2: keep hearing Tyler Warren's name pop up as a guy

900
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Speaker 2: who's a really intriguing player, you know, Daniel Jarmia, he

901
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 2: was on our podcast yesterday. He got a video coming

902
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:56,440
Speaker 2: out with him where he you know, you unprompted, these

903
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: guys start talking about him. If he's going to be

904
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Speaker 2: there at fourteen, we'll see if the let's go that direction.

905
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Speaker 2: It is way too early to tell, though, if he's

906
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Speaker 2: a guy who the team's even interested in. I mean,

907
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Speaker 2: that's the thing is like, we don't know anything. I'm

908
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Speaker 2: just you know, this is hot air. I have no

909
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Speaker 2: inside information on that, but talking to guys, you know,

910
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Speaker 2: and most of it right now is just sort of

911
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 2: thought exercises, of like if this team does this, this

912
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Speaker 2: team could do this, this team does this, this team

913
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Speaker 2: could do this, And sometimes those get completely blown up

914
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Speaker 2: on draft Day by an unexpected thing like I was

915
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Speaker 2: joking about with Trevor with Michael Pennox. So you never

916
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Speaker 2: know how it's going to play out, and you never

917
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Speaker 2: know who's going to be available when you're picking, and

918
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Speaker 2: you won't honestly know that until you get called on

919
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Speaker 2: the clock on April twenty fifth. So I could sit

920
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Speaker 2: here and say, look at this guy, look at that guy,

921
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Speaker 2: but just start getting to know a lot of the names,

922
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Speaker 2: and then when we get closer to the draft, maybe

923
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Speaker 2: it'll narrow, but maybe it won't. We'll see.

924
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Speaker 1: All Right, it's time, man, it is time. People have

925
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Speaker 1: been waiting for this. They've been logging online since last night.

926
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Speaker 1: It's called Are you surprised? With JJ Stankobitz Number one?

927
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Speaker 1: Are you surprised if Chris Ballard signs four free agents

928
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Speaker 1: this offseason?

929
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Speaker 2: No? No, no, I mean I think that's not his mo.

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Speaker 2: That's why I'm asking it. But he Okay, so four

931
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Speaker 2: was actually the number he signed in twenty twenty three.

932
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Speaker 2: I'm in a five, okay, right, all right? I'll say

933
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Speaker 2: there at four I are you surprised, No, because I

934
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Speaker 2: think he I think you go back to what he

935
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Speaker 2: said in January about creating competition and kind of creating

936
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Speaker 2: that friction around the roster, and I think that has

937
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Speaker 2: to come from outside free agents in a way where

938
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Speaker 2: you know, you got guys who you do want to

939
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Speaker 2: keep around. But if you're looking to build competition and

940
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Speaker 2: kind of build that that healthy tension within your roster,

941
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Speaker 2: that sometimes that does mean you need to go out

942
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Speaker 2: in free agency. I don't know if that means the

943
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Speaker 2: Colts are going to go be the top spender in

944
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Speaker 2: free agency, because that's not their mo and that doesn't

945
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Speaker 2: usually work out for teams being the top spender. Usually

946
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Speaker 2: you're the top spender because you suck at drafting and

947
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Speaker 2: you have to go fill those holes with expensive free agents.

948
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Speaker 2: Right the Colts have not. They're nowhere near that point

949
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Speaker 2: in terms of drafting. So I think you're you know,

950
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Speaker 2: you bring in a couple of Vets, maybe maybe you

951
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Speaker 2: make a trade, maybe some of your draft picks become

952
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Speaker 2: that competition, but whatever it is, I think you're going

953
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Speaker 2: to see a lot more competition across the roster. And

954
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Speaker 2: I think the thing that Chris has brought up multiple

955
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Speaker 2: times is last year the Colts didn't make a move

956
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Speaker 2: at wide receiver in free agency. They didn't, but they

957
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Speaker 2: drafted Ad and I Mitchell, And you know, Chris tells

958
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Speaker 2: the story of how Alec Pierce walks into his office

959
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Speaker 2: after that and says, what does this mean for me?

960
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Speaker 2: And Chris tells him nothing, Go compete. Look who made

961
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Speaker 2: the biggest stride in twenty twenty four. It was Alec Pierce, right,

962
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Speaker 2: and it started when they brought in competition. So that

963
00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: right there tells you I think you bring it in

964
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Speaker 2: through the draft, through free agency, whatever it is, you

965
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Speaker 2: got to create that competition on the rostet.

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Speaker 1: Okay, more, are you surprised with JJ Stankowitz? Are you

967
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 1: surprised if the Colts bring in a veteran tight end

968
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Speaker 1: and don't address the tight end position at this draft?

969
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Speaker 2: No? No, because you don't know how the draft's going

970
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,399
Speaker 2: to play out, and you know the thing is bringing

971
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Speaker 2: in a veteran tight end. That is the number of

972
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Speaker 2: guys who can be that why tight end, which is

973
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Speaker 2: the inline guy who you don't him being on the

974
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Speaker 2: field is not a tell for passing or throwing the

975
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Speaker 2: Colts last year, they frankly had some tells with the

976
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Speaker 2: guys who are in there in that inline spot of

977
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Speaker 2: you know, if you're gonna pass or throw with Moili

978
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Speaker 2: Cox or Kyleen Granson on the field, because that's what

979
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Speaker 2: those guys were good at. Mohali Cox is a really

980
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,280
Speaker 2: good run block, or calend Brant Grantson's a good pass catcher.

981
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Speaker 2: But they didn't maybe have the crossover that you need

982
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: to be a little more multiple when you have those

983
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: guys in the field. The thing is finding those guys

984
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: is really freaking hard. Yeah, it's really hard to do.

985
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: So it's it's not as easy to say you can

986
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: just go find that guy in free agency, can go

987
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: find that guy in the draft. I think tight end's

988
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,239
Speaker 2: going to be really interesting though, because you got Drillgletree

989
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 2: coming back, you got Will Mallory coming back. Jelani Woods

990
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,480
Speaker 2: is coming back, but he hasn't played since twenty twenty two.

991
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: Will Mallory didn't play a whole lot last year. Droegiltree

992
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: played forty percent of the snaps, and then Moiley Cox

993
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: and con Grantson will be free agents, so that room

994
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:55,120
Speaker 2: could have a lot of turnover in terms of the

995
00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 2: personnel and then in terms of who gets to play,

996
00:41:58,520 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 2: because maybe this is the year will mal he gets

997
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 2: more snaps, sure he is more consistently on the field,

998
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:04,880
Speaker 2: or maybe this is the year the Colts take a

999
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 2: big swing at tight end in the draft or in

1000
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Speaker 2: free agency and that room kind of gets blown up

1001
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: a little bit. I don't know, we'll see that. That

1002
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Speaker 2: is a fascinating room though going into the offseason.

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Speaker 1: More is going to be revealed in the upcoming months, obviously,

1004
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 1: And we're winding down with are you surprised? Are you

1005
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: surprised JJ Stankovics if the Colts draft a quarterback before

1006
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 1: the fourth round? No, okay, I would probably. The reason

1007
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying that is explain please for our viewers if

1008
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: that's the case. Is he automatically into the competition if

1009
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:33,560
Speaker 1: a veteran?

1010
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: Yea, because I think that's the thing is if you

1011
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 2: take a guy on Day two, you're expecting him to

1012
00:42:37,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 2: probably compete. But I mean, look, we've seen teams do

1013
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 2: this before. We saw the Eagles draft Jalen Hurts when

1014
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 2: they stood Carson Wentz on their roster, and that was

1015
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 2: done to spur some competition. And it wound up working

1016
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: out great for Jaalen Hurts and the Eagles, but for

1017
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz it maybe didn't work out for him in Philadelphia.

1018
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:57,400
Speaker 2: I think you got to do what's right for the

1019
00:42:57,440 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 2: team and what's right for that position. And if that

1020
00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: means you really like a guy in the second round

1021
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: or the third round, go take him. You know, you

1022
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: have to do what's right. And I think Chris Ballard

1023
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 2: has always operated that way in terms of even if

1024
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 2: this is maybe controversial a little bit, or maybe it's

1025
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 2: not the most popular thing to do or the sexiest

1026
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: thing to do, sometimes you got to do it. And

1027
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Speaker 2: that might not be the thing that gets you all

1028
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: these plot its from fans, but it might be the

1029
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 2: right thing to do. So plaudits, plott its, plaud it's

1030
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Speaker 2: good call, thank you, good call. Thirteen dollars word right there, brother,

1031
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 2: I don't use plaudits a lot. That's a san it's

1032
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: a Shapiro's you owe me now?

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00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: That is yeah, plaudits. I'll tell you what last? Are

1034
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: you surprised? Are you surprised at how many steps you

1035
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: get in at the NFL combine?

1036
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Speaker 2: Oh? Let's see what am I at? Right? Where? Are

1037
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 2: you old at right now? Would you finish up yesterday? Okay?

1038
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 2: All right, so yesterday now this was also around here

1039
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,680
Speaker 2: folks a lot. All right, I'm at five thousand right now,

1040
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Speaker 2: at ten forty five when we sat down for this yesterday,

1041
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 2: I did fifteen thousand at a boy, that's a good run.

1042
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 2: Fifteen thousands, fifteen thousand steps. Wow, it just I mean

1043
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: wearing out the walk from Radio Row to the Starbucks

1044
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,839
Speaker 2: at the JW. Marry Sure and uh you know good

1045
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,480
Speaker 2: rule of thump with the combine is a ten minute walk?

1046
00:44:10,520 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 2: Will take it twenty minutes? What is that? Oh? Just crowd?

1047
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: You run into people? Yeah right, you run into people? Yeah, yeah,

1048
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 2: you know. So yeah, what do you think? Can we stick?

1049
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 2: Can we can we keep? Are you surprise around now

1050
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: to keep doing? Does it have a little flavor to it? Yeah?

1051
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 2: All right, let me let me. I'll doll it up.

1052
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: You kind of you gotta assault bay it a little. Yeah, yeah,

1053
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:30,440
Speaker 2: I'll flavor it up a little bit.

1054
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Speaker 1: So thank you to Trevor Sikima down here at the

1055
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 1: NFL Combine, and thank you for your time. I know

1056
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Speaker 1: you got to get out of here because there's more

1057
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Speaker 1: info to be gathered right here.

1058
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Speaker 2: Follow him on.

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Speaker 1: Twitter x at JJ stankovitz lera Overton usually part of

1060
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: this official podcast. She will be back next week because

1061
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: she's running around crazy like everybody is here. Colts dot

1062
00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: com has the latest, His Twitter has the latest. Be

1063
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,760
Speaker 1: sure to follow everything that you can on Colts dot com.

1064
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Speaker 2: And the latest. With the NFL combine, it's getting juicy.

1065
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Speaker 1: Players are starting to put the shorts on and get

1066
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Speaker 1: on the field, and we're gonna bring you the latest

1067
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Speaker 1: every day with updates for JJ's tankment.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for today.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely good stuff, Buddy, good stuff. I'm Jeffrey Gorman. This

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Speaker 1: is the Official Colds Podcast.