1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,240 Speaker 1: Guess what will? What's that? Man? Go? Time for a 2 00:00:02,320 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: pop quiz? So I want to read you a line 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,040 Speaker 1: from a story I read this week and have you 4 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:09,639 Speaker 1: guess what it's about. All right, go for it. So 5 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,959 Speaker 1: here goes This is from the Chicago tribunes Rex hop Key, 6 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: and he writes, we are so far gone, so consumed 7 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: by political correctness, that unwanted and potentially dangerous outsiders are 8 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: poised to put one of our most cherished institutions at risk. 9 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,680 Speaker 1: Any ideas what he's talking about, I kind of don't 10 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 1: want to say. He's talking about cats were More specifically, 11 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: he's talking about how cats are non dogs, as he 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: calls them, got to make an appearance at Westminster's dog 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: show this year. Wow, so they were actually I don't 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: believe this. This gotta be a story. Yeah, it's true 15 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:45,160 Speaker 1: that they were. Actually Forty designer breeds like Twiggers and Bengals, 16 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: all displayed at the Meet the Breeds event a few 17 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:49,839 Speaker 1: days before the dog show, which of course caused some 18 00:00:49,920 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: commotion from purism can. In fact, an a k C 19 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,920 Speaker 1: spokeswoman had to defend the inclusion, and she clarified it 20 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: for a Washington Post reporter by saying cats or pets too, 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:03,080 Speaker 1: but they're not dogs. That's not that's not the point. Yeah, 22 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,480 Speaker 1: but the whole thing made me realize I know nothing 23 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: about America's greatest dog show, and I started wondering how 24 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: did dog shows get their start, and why are they 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 1: so important to breeders? And most importantly, are there ways 26 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:35,319 Speaker 1: for an outsider a game of dog show. Let's dive in. Hey, 27 00:01:35,319 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: their podcast listeners, Welcome to Part Time Genius. I'm Will 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: Pearson and as always I'm joined by my good friend 29 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,319 Speaker 1: man Gueshop Ticketer and behind that soundproof glass wearing the 30 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 1: most stylish top hat I think I've ever seen, as 31 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: our friend and producer Tristan McNeil. And today we're going 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,640 Speaker 1: to be talking dog shows, not just how they got started, 33 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 1: but how you can try to game them. But before 34 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,320 Speaker 1: we dive in, I wanted to just thank our listeners 35 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 1: again for all the fun emails and messages were getting 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: and voice messages on our hotline. And there was one 37 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: that came in that was talking about our Weird College 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: Classes episode we did just a few weeks ago, and 39 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,560 Speaker 1: I thought this was pretty great. It's from Catherine and 40 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 1: grape Vine, Texas and it says. I just finished your 41 00:02:13,160 --> 00:02:16,959 Speaker 1: podcast about college classes. You mentioned a wine appreciation class 42 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 1: in Ohio, and I had to tell you it isn't 43 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: the only one around. The decade ago, my brother took 44 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:23,680 Speaker 1: a course like that at the University of Houston, and 45 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: my parents weren't happy and thought it would be a 46 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 1: total joke. Instead, he turned out to be really good 47 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: at tasting and raiding the wine, where he went on 48 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 1: to take a course and and study to become a 49 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: Somalia I love. He went on to judge for the 50 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,520 Speaker 1: wine show for the Texas Rodeo, which I didn't know 51 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: that existed last year alone. It included twenty eight hundred 52 00:02:43,200 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: of entries from approximately twenty different countries, including Australia, Austria, France, Italy, Japan, Peru, 53 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: South Africa and Spain. I guess some of those weird 54 00:02:52,120 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: random classes can really pay off. Uh, this is pretty great, 55 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,200 Speaker 1: So thank you so much Katherine for a for sending 56 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: this in. I guess these classes can lead to big things, definitely, 57 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: But you guys keep the emails coming. Part time genius 58 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: at how stuff Works dot com or you can call 59 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:09,399 Speaker 1: us on our seven fact hot line one eight four 60 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: four pt. Genius. It is still seven, right, seven, that's excellent, 61 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: all right, all right, on to our main topic. You know, Mango, 62 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: I know you and I both had dogs growing up, 63 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:22,359 Speaker 1: and and my family just got a new pup. Yeah, Noodles, 64 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: that's right, Noodles Pierson getting the shout out on today's program. 65 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: But you know, before we were coming on for the show, 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: you were telling me that you were pretty dog obsessed 67 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: as a kid. Yeah. I mean, I've always loved dogs, 68 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: but in second or third grade, I watched this PBS 69 00:03:35,600 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 1: series with my mom called All Things Bright and Beautiful, 70 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: which is about this country veterinarian named James Harriet, and 71 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: watching it convinced me I needed to be a vet. 72 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 1: Like he drove around the country in this classic old 73 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 1: car and he had this dog riding shotgun and he 74 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: helped animals, so it all seemed kind of lovely and 75 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 1: ideal to me. And this was maybe a year or 76 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: two before we got a dog. In fact, I'm not 77 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 1: sure if I ever told you this, but my my 78 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: school had this encyclopedia of dog breeds that I found 79 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: hidden in the back corner somewhere, and I totally monopolized, 80 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: like i'd return it and then immediately signed it out again. 81 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:09,640 Speaker 1: And I don't even know why. I mean, maybe it 82 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: was because I figured, like a good vet needed to 83 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 1: start studying dog breeds early. But you know, at a 84 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: certain point, after like five or six weeks of my 85 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: name being the only one on the library card, the 86 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 1: librarian gently took me aside and let me know I 87 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: should probably let someone else check it out, like she 88 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: was very sweet about it. Library cards. I haven't thought 89 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 1: so like the things in the back of the books. 90 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: Haven't thought about that a long time. All right, Well, 91 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 1: you know, since today's episode is all about dog shows, 92 00:04:33,920 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: I'm curious to hear from you, like, have you ever 93 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: gone to a dog show? No? I mean that's what's funny, 94 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: is that, as obsessed as I was, and as much 95 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: as I love dogs, I've always thought dog shows were 96 00:04:42,960 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: next level, like just a step too far. And obviously 97 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:49,280 Speaker 1: that idea has certainly been helped by things like Best 98 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: in Show, which is an hysterical movie, but it's certainly 99 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: influences the way we think about dog shows too. Yeah, 100 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: and I don't love the pageantry and it's so ostentatious, 101 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 1: and so you know that writer Gia Tolentino, who I love. 102 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: She wrote the story about the Westminster Dog Show for 103 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 1: The New Yorker and in the opening scene, this is 104 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:09,240 Speaker 1: the scene she walks into. She sees uh tall fluffy 105 00:05:09,279 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: dog strode genially around the room. I'm going to need 106 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: you to stay away from my setup. One handler histed 107 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:17,719 Speaker 1: another as they power walk towards the staging area, wearing 108 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: sequin accented suits. Like, clearly Best and Show didn't have 109 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: to try that hard to mock some of what goes on. Wow, 110 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 1: that's crazy. And and speaking of Best and Show, I 111 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 1: do remember reading and this is really no shock to 112 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: me but that none of the dog shows would let 113 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: Christopher guests film his mockumentary there, so he basically had 114 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: to build and recreate a massive dog show just for 115 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: the movie. And it's such a great movie. But let's 116 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 1: get back on track here, because you know, Noodles has 117 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: a dog show to win, so we need to figure 118 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: out how to game one. So before we start talking 119 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,080 Speaker 1: about how to run the tables, you know, why don't 120 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: you walk us through a quick history of dog shows. 121 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: You you you had the honor being assigned to looking up 122 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 1: the history of dog shows. That's all yours. Yeah, no problem. 123 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,799 Speaker 1: So Westminster is America's oldest dog show that's still around today. 124 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: It is massive, like it's the only one that gets 125 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: broadcast for two nights on TV. And it's actually the 126 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: second oldest continuously held sporting competition in the US. It's 127 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: been going on since eighteen seventy seven. Wow, that's remarkable. 128 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,400 Speaker 1: I actually didn't have any idea how old it was. 129 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: I did know what the oldest continuous sporting event was. 130 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: Do you hapen to know what it is? It's the 131 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: Kentucky Derby. It's actually right around this time. I guess 132 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: it's only probably a year or so before Westminster. Yeah, 133 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:27,840 Speaker 1: that's right. But what's funny is that Westminster has been 134 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: a hot ticket from the start, and apparently people have 135 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:33,119 Speaker 1: just always been crazy for dogs. There's this great book 136 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: called Show Dog by Josh Dean, and he talks about 137 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 1: the dogs at the first Westminster and actually, let me 138 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: read this quote just to show you how excited people 139 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: were about the first show. Among the top attractions of 140 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: that debut show were two stag hounds from a pack 141 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: owned by the then dead General George Custer, to deer 142 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: hounds bread by a queen Victoria of England, reported to 143 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 1: be worth fifty dollars each and it's two legged dog 144 00:06:57,320 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: said to be a veritable biped and possessing almost human intelligence, right, 145 00:07:01,720 --> 00:07:03,479 Speaker 1: I know, And it was the place to be like. 146 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: A New York Times story reported that the gentleman who 147 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 1: served as ticket sellers could not make change fast enough 148 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: to suit the impatience of the throng that was continually 149 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 1: clamoring for admittance. Wow, now I do feel like we 150 00:07:14,880 --> 00:07:17,720 Speaker 1: should be clear. Westminster wasn't America's first dog show. I 151 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 1: mean we we just noted that it's the oldest one 152 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:22,520 Speaker 1: in the US that still exists today. There was one 153 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:25,400 Speaker 1: in Chicago before that, and then of course, well before that, 154 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: Crufts in Birmingham, England, and that have been going on 155 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: since Victorian times, you know. And in fact, that's probably 156 00:07:31,280 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: why these dogs shows are so you know, pageanty. I 157 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: guess it's it's it's kind of recreating that spirit maybe. 158 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 1: But what's funny to me is that dog shows aren't 159 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: officially called dog shows. They're known as conformation. That's so weird. 160 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:47,320 Speaker 1: And apparently when a dog makes it to the finals 161 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 1: in a dog show, it's not actually competing against the 162 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: other dogs for Who's the most Beautiful? Yeah, that's right. 163 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: It's actually something I didn't know before we were doing 164 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,679 Speaker 1: the research for this episode. So unlike a beauty pageant 165 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: where people are competing against one another, here every dog 166 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: is being judged against how well it conforms to their 167 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: own A k C. Standards. So it isn't that this 168 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: first place terrier is more beautiful than a Great Dane. 169 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: It's that the terrier is closer to being a perfect 170 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: ambassador of its breed, you might say, then, than a 171 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: great Dane was. And so, you know, but it accentuates 172 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: what dog shows are really about, and that's breeding, you know, 173 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: or more specifically, it's all about creating the most perfect 174 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: pure bread possible, which you know, this is why winning 175 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 1: is such a big deal, and the stud fees that 176 00:08:30,440 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: come with winning are just outrageous. Yeah, and of course 177 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:36,440 Speaker 1: there are health complications that come with breeding pure breads, 178 00:08:36,480 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: as anyone with a cursory knowledge of the Habsburgs or 179 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: any royal dynasty will tell you. Yeah, and we'll get 180 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 1: to some of that dark breeding stuff later. But you know, 181 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: what might be my favorite fact that I learned about 182 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 1: Westminster this week? What's that so every year, the winner 183 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: and their dog they get to eat a victory meal 184 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: at Sardi's, you know that the legendary restaurant in New York. 185 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:57,959 Speaker 1: And there's this cute tradition. But but if someone pointed 186 00:08:57,960 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: out in two thousand and twelve, it also was this 187 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,439 Speaker 1: massive health code violation. You know, you'd have the Pekinese 188 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: eating dice chicken at your table and lapping it off 189 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: the fine china, and so this was a real problem. 190 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:10,560 Speaker 1: And so the whole thing put Mayor Bloomberg and the 191 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: city in a bind because you know, he obviously wanted 192 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: sanitary restaurants, so there was all this stress over what 193 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: to do, and there was pressure from diners and so 194 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: finally he and the city health commissioner got together and 195 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 1: they came up with this plan. So what they decided 196 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: is that the winner of the Westminster they also get 197 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 1: a one night exemption from the health commissioner to eat 198 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: dinner out in New York City. Is and this crazy, 199 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: I mean, it's such a strange and gaping loophole, but 200 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: they managed to keep this tradition alive at least for 201 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 1: one pure bred dog a year. Well, I love that. 202 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,840 Speaker 1: It's so ridiculous. And speaking of food, there's this really 203 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:48,120 Speaker 1: fun article in the Washington Post by Karen Brouillard called 204 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: Things I Learned covering Westminster, and there were a number 205 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 1: of things in it that I hadn't realized or read 206 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 1: anywhere else, like this makes sense to me now. But 207 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: there are three different bathroom designations for the dogs. There 208 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: there's a I see men's room dog area, a women's 209 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: room for the female dogs to relieve themselves, and then 210 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,560 Speaker 1: there's one specifically for female dogs and heat. And at 211 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,640 Speaker 1: first I was wondering, like, why have all these separate 212 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: but equal bathrooms. I know, I mean, they're just dogs, 213 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: but but the reason is none of the male dogs 214 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: are neutered, and so because this is all about breeding 215 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: and breeding more pure breads and the stud fees like 216 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,600 Speaker 1: you don't want a dog mounting another dog on a 217 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 1: bathroom break. Before you started this story, you were saying 218 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:31,280 Speaker 1: this was related to food. How's this related to food? Well, 219 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:33,720 Speaker 1: I'm getting there, but first I've had another weird fact 220 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 1: that I hadn't thought about. So Brullard also talks about 221 00:10:36,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: why male dogs dominate these dog shows, and while some 222 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: breeders think it's because male dogs tend to be more beautiful. 223 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: Brulard points out that this isn't exactly true and and 224 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: that it actually comes back to breeding. So if your 225 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: most beautiful female dogs are meant for breeding and you're 226 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: making tons of money off the puppies, then they're probably 227 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: going to be pregnant during the dog show season and 228 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: unable to compete on the circuit that gets you there. 229 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,600 Speaker 1: So female dogs are out of disadvantage and can't really 230 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 1: lean in. But that food fact, this is gonna be 231 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: another breeding fact. I'm guessing no, but it is the 232 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:10,199 Speaker 1: funniest thing for Lar talks about her piece to me 233 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,400 Speaker 1: and lose and that's the dry cleaners seemed to hate 234 00:11:13,440 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 1: dog handlers because they're always stuffing meat into their pockets. 235 00:11:18,160 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: That's a great sentence like this one top handler was 236 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: talking about how she makes all these specialty treats for 237 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 1: her dogs and and that they're extra garlicky and dried 238 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: out and whatnot. But she'll also just use hot dogs, 239 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: so at any moment, she'll have a hot dog or 240 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:36,319 Speaker 1: two down her bra Another great sentence. But I mean 241 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: this is like a known trick, and and she'll also 242 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: have meat treats in her pockets and sometimes melted cheese 243 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 1: and and all that forgotten food like gets stinky and 244 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: it's a hassle to deal with. And if you have 245 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 1: such a hassle that she and her dry cleaner eventually 246 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 1: had to break up because of it. I mean, I'm 247 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:53,400 Speaker 1: not quite sure how you forget that there's a hot 248 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: dog and your bra melted cheese either way, but that 249 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: is a good fact, I'll give it to you. It 250 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: took you a while to get to that one. That 251 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: that is good. You know, it's interesting to learn that 252 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:05,280 Speaker 1: handlers are basically like jockeys. I mean, these these top 253 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 1: dog owners are they're scouting and using the best handlers 254 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: to get a competitive edge, and they just want the 255 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: judges to notice their dogs. Yeah, it's it's a totally 256 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: fascinating job. And the handless story I liked the most 257 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 1: was about this poodle handler CAUs Osaka, who apparently lives 258 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: in Delaware, which you know, gives me extra prize. But 259 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: he's apparently the Michelangela pool grooming. I don't know anything 260 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,160 Speaker 1: about this person, So what's his story? Yeah, so it's crazy. 261 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:32,599 Speaker 1: As a teenager, he was showing a Doberman at a 262 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: show in Japan, and this legendary judge who I've never 263 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: heard about. Her name's and Rogers Clark. She and her 264 00:12:39,000 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: husband were there and and they spotted him and noticed 265 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: his talent, and they basically said, like, if you want 266 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: to be a great handler, come with those to the US. 267 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: So at nineteen years old, cause who spoke zero English 268 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: and hadn't really traveled like, he just up and moved 269 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: in with the Clarks and and learned the art of 270 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: the poodle. And now he's undeniably the best poodle groomer 271 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: and handler in the world. But what makes him so 272 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: great isn't that he's won so much, or that he's 273 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: a perfectionist like and he has a perfectionist like he 274 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: brushes each of his twenty poodles every night, which you 275 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: can take anywhere from five minutes to half an hour 276 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: per dog. Plus he crumps their hair as he does it. 277 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: But what makes him so great is that he's insanely humble, 278 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 1: Like here's a quote from Josh Dean thirty years later, 279 00:13:22,360 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: causes unequivocally the top poodle groomer and handler in America? 280 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: How long did it take him to become good? Still? 281 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,439 Speaker 1: I am no good? He said, you're the best there is, 282 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:34,480 Speaker 1: aren't you. People think so, but I don't think. I 283 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,480 Speaker 1: think learning never ends, he said, especially with poodles. Wow, well, 284 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: I mean, I do know that a good handler can 285 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: certainly put a bigger spotlight on your dog, just in 286 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: reading up about this. And they're also good at scouting 287 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: the judges and masking certain defects, and so you know, 288 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: they'll use different leased tricks to compensate for dog's wonky 289 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 1: gate or you know, they're like zhibit dogs from certain 290 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: angles just to try to get that vantage. Well, what's 291 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: that mean? Like certain angles? Well, there's something out side 292 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 1: wheeling where you bring the dog in from an oblique 293 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: angle so that the judge won't see like a minor 294 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:07,600 Speaker 1: defect in the dog. And they're they're all kinds of 295 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: tricks like this. But you know, with so much money 296 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 1: and pride on the line, some dog owners will choose 297 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: to go beyond just hiring a great handler, and they 298 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: veered to the dark side and they'll actually play dirt, 299 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: evenive or not. But before we get into the juicy 300 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: evil side of dog shows, why don't we take a 301 00:14:21,840 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: quick break for a quiz. So our guest today as 302 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: an award winning photographer and an animal activist who first 303 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: caught our eye with this incredible series. This is the 304 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: one where she took flower crowns and put them on 305 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: pit bulls, you know, to help them get adopted. It 306 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: was just a beautiful series. Still does these today. She's 307 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,840 Speaker 1: done a ton of other wonderful work, and we'll talk 308 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: to her about that. But Sophie Gammon, welcome to Part 309 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: Time Genius. Hi, thank you for having me well, and 310 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: today's show, we're talking about dog shows for most of 311 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 1: the show, but you know, we're fascinated by this variation 312 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 1: on this the doggie pageant scene, and I just it 313 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: was funny. We were talking to you before you came 314 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: in today, a little bit about how you got into 315 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:11,000 Speaker 1: shooting these doggie pageants and then the pit bulls, and 316 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: so tell us a little bit about how you did 317 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:15,720 Speaker 1: get into this to begin with. When I actually first 318 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 1: moved to New York from Europe, um, I kind of 319 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: left my job, my family, my friends, everything behind. I 320 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: just brought a husband with me, which was helpful, I 321 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: guess technically he brought me. But so I arrived here 322 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: and I had nobody, nothing to do, and I it 323 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 1: was a way for me to reinvent myself, which was fantastic. 324 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: But I only had the camera and that kind of 325 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: became my way in and very quickly I realized I 326 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: was more drawn to photographing dogs than people. So I 327 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'm just gonna do a project on dogs, 328 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: and it really snowballed from there. That was almost like 329 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: seven years ago, and now I'm a full time dog 330 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: artist slash activist and all the good stuff that comes 331 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: with Wow, that's great. Today's show was really about dog shows, 332 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: but we're fascinated by this variation. You covered the doggie 333 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: pageant and so as an outsider, it looks a little 334 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: like a dog show meets toddlers and try and so 335 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 1: can you tell us a little about dog pageants? Yeah? 336 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: So I come across that group of people in New 337 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: York um that have mostly like chihuahuas or small breed 338 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: dogs that they carry around in their purses and they 339 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: dress them up. I was looking for people who looked 340 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: like their dogs and and then I bumped into that 341 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,560 Speaker 1: scene and I was like, holy moly, I have to 342 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: do something. So I guess my first contact with that 343 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:31,600 Speaker 1: scene was this is kind of crazy and pathetic. It's 344 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: gonna make great photos, Let's go for it. And then 345 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: you know, I started meeting these people and seeing their 346 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: routine and the relationship they had with their dogs. And 347 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: as a photographer, you know, you're trying not to judge. 348 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 1: You go in as a witness and you want to document. 349 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: So I was trying really hard to do that. So 350 00:16:49,080 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 1: there's this very active group. They're trying to raise money 351 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: for rescues through all these events, and which is fantastic, um, 352 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: but mostly it's about you know, kind of spotlight and 353 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 1: being on the catwalk with your dog. And so I 354 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: always say, you know, it's like, really the child pageant. 355 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:06,880 Speaker 1: You think it's about the kids, but it's really about 356 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: the moms, let's be honest. So a lot of it 357 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: was just you know, single ladies in their forties, fifties, 358 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 1: sixties that have this amazing intense relationship with their dog. 359 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,399 Speaker 1: The dog is really like a spouse at that point. 360 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:23,240 Speaker 1: It's insane the relationship they have. And and so they 361 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: go through these fashion shows and the pageants where you know, 362 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: they work on their skills together and outfits matching outfits. 363 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 1: It's just a crazy subculture that that really fascinated me. 364 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:38,399 Speaker 1: Is that hard to photograph dogs and clothing? No, I 365 00:17:38,400 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: actually have a series that I call dog Vogue, and 366 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: I worked with a local pet s cuterier who basically 367 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: create these amazing outfits for these chihuahuas in that scene. 368 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: I mean, some of these people buy outfits that are 369 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: worth like a thousand dollars covered in sources, crystals, like 370 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,160 Speaker 1: those outfits are sometimes works of art, like really, so 371 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: it was actually really interesting for me to photograph that 372 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: fashion aspect of it. Um, some dogs loved the attention, 373 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: sometimes were miserable, let's be honest, but most of them 374 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 1: actually it's part of their routine. You know. When my 375 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: work came out about the pageant, I got a little 376 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 1: bit of hate mail sometimes or hateful comments on social media, 377 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: and mostly people are like, how dare you It is 378 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: so unnatural to dress up dogs and all that? And 379 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: my answer is always like, oh, because you think it's 380 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,240 Speaker 1: natural for dogs to like sniffle bombs at the airport 381 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: or guides the blind, of course not. You know, that's 382 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: just exactly you know, we created dogs a certain way, 383 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: We created breeds, shape, sizes, skills, We invented all this 384 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: from maybe the wolf. Maybe we you know, it's very 385 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 1: unclear the exact origin, but throughout artificial selection, we completely 386 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: manufactured engineered this animal slash companion. They love the reward, 387 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,919 Speaker 1: they love the attention. They want to make us happy, 388 00:18:56,000 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: and that's how it's been for millionaire Why not? And 389 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: you talk about that a little bit on your website. Thought, 390 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: I thought that was really interesting, basically saying, we are 391 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 1: the reason that dogs are around, right, We've created this, 392 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,880 Speaker 1: and so because of that, we now have a responsibility 393 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 1: as humans to care for these absolutely. Thinking a little 394 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: bit about your work, you know with the pit bulls 395 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 1: and the rescue animals, um talk a little bit about 396 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: that and what you've seen happening in the rescue world. 397 00:19:22,680 --> 00:19:25,280 Speaker 1: I think if I try to look back at it 398 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: a little bit, I would say, for years, you know, 399 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: we we displayed shelter dogs as these miserable, sad, filthy, 400 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,880 Speaker 1: sick creatures that needed to be saved. We've all seen 401 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: those commercial on TV, the sad song, and I'm crying 402 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: just thinking about it. Right. I think it served a 403 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: purpose for a long time. But now there's a new 404 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,360 Speaker 1: generation that I've been trying to lead a little bit 405 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: of photographers and artists and advocates that try to present 406 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:52,320 Speaker 1: a more positive image of shelter dogs to say, look 407 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 1: at this amazing face, this personality, like, don't you want 408 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: to live with this for the rest of their life. 409 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,760 Speaker 1: What's difficult when it comes to pit bull is that 410 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,879 Speaker 1: although there is a breed called the American pitbull terrier, 411 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: when you refer when the public refers to pitbulls, they 412 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: mean a group of dogs that is a mix of breeds, 413 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: different kind of breeds, mixed breeds, and also just any 414 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: dog that kind of looks like that so has a 415 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: blocky head or a big smile. In most shelters, even 416 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:23,280 Speaker 1: shelter staff don't know how to identify these dogs. So 417 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: now we have this I called it the mythological creature really, 418 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: which is the pitball? Right? You know, hid your children, 419 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: But we can't even define what a pitbull is really. 420 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: And then we build laws, bands, you know, and and 421 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 1: all sorts of laws that prevents you from having them 422 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: in your apartment or in your city or whatever around 423 00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:46,400 Speaker 1: this concept of this dog that is going to eat 424 00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: your life. So it is so layered and super complicated, 425 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: Like if you have specific questions, more than happy to 426 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: talk about it. But this is a there's a lot 427 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: to talk about when it comes to pitbulls. Yeah yeah, 428 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: and then an important discussion, um, almost almost as important 429 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,120 Speaker 1: as I think this quiz that we've written for you today. 430 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, well let's let's put her to 431 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 1: the test. What's our quiz called today? So somebody's gonna 432 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 1: play a game called dog breed or regional delicacy? All right, 433 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:15,480 Speaker 1: So it's as simple as that. We'll read you a 434 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: name and you tell us whether this is a dog 435 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:22,239 Speaker 1: breed or regional delicacy. Okay, here we go, all right. 436 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: Number one or ZOI dog? Wow? It quickly? Is that right? Mango? Yeah, 437 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,960 Speaker 1: it's a dog freed developed in Russia as a hunting 438 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,959 Speaker 1: and coursing dog. Okay, you're one for one, all right. 439 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: The next one runs A has to be some food 440 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 1: or something. It's definitely a food or something at these 441 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: Midwest favorites or pockets of dough filled with meat, veggies 442 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: and spices. You sounded really excited about that, alright. Number 443 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: three keys Oh wow, oh I food? Yeah you yeah, 444 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: you obviously haven't shot a key shon before. I don't 445 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: think right, These are dogs, aren't they Mango. Yeah, they're 446 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: super fluffy dogs related to the Pomeranian. Oh how do 447 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:09,840 Speaker 1: you spell that? K E E S H O N 448 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 1: D Wow? All right, don't make me say I don't 449 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 1: do breed? Next one you per? You per? Oh? Food 450 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: well done? Nice? Yeah, it's a also sometimes called a pasty. 451 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: These meaty turnovers are a favorite in the Upper Peninsula. 452 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 1: Can we not use paste? These and meat turns? The uncomfortable? Here? Alright? 453 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: The last one? Here we go? A ham dog? Oh? Man, 454 00:22:44,119 --> 00:22:48,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I imagine it's some kind of food, but 455 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: I know people who called it a a dog like this 456 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: than we had a friend with a dog named Hamburger, 457 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: didn't we Now you're right, it is a food, right, Mango? Yeah, 458 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,760 Speaker 1: the hand dog is invented by Chandler. Golf is a 459 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: eat fried hot dog and a hamburger behund topped with 460 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: an egg and served with fries. So I tried to 461 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: be vegetarians, so I wouldn't know any of these anyway, 462 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:14,880 Speaker 1: not immediate pasty. All right. Well, how has Sophie done today? Mango? Well, 463 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:17,640 Speaker 1: soph he's gone astounding four for five, which earns her 464 00:23:17,680 --> 00:23:22,959 Speaker 1: top prize. A note to her mom, singing her praises Wow, congratch. 465 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: Otherwise she's gonna be like, I don't understand. We'll try. Well, 466 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: we'll give it a shot. But I hope all of 467 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 1: our listeners will check out Sophie's Instagram page and we 468 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: will link to it uh in the information below this podcast. 469 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: So thanks so much for joining us, Sophie. Thank you, 470 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:49,400 Speaker 1: it was super fun. Thank you. Welcome back to Part 471 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: Time Genius Now Mango. I know we were both delighted 472 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: to find out that there's some dirty stuff that goes 473 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,159 Speaker 1: on as far as the competition, So why don't we 474 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: talk about that? Yeah, you know, I always think it's 475 00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,880 Speaker 1: fun to read about the scandalous dark side of event, 476 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:02,720 Speaker 1: and especially when they feels so wholesome. Yeah, well, why 477 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,440 Speaker 1: don't we go back and forth with some of our 478 00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 1: favorite underhanded things and and I'll start it off if 479 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: that works for you. So, all right, Apparently it's pretty 480 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: common for a petty owner to hide a pair of 481 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: scissors on them and what they'll do is they'll just 482 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: snip a patch of hair off a competitor's dog, as 483 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: they all thought. Yeah, for my reading, this is actually 484 00:24:19,760 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: a somewhat common tactic that's so psycho and and you know, 485 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 1: you know what sniffing for reminds me of, Like how 486 00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: that classical composer friends list was such a rock star 487 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 1: that his fans would write him asking for locks of 488 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: his hair, and he got so fed up that he 489 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 1: finally bought a dog with similar colored hair and just 490 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: started mailing his fans curls from his dog's hair instead 491 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: of his own. You've always got a Frond's list of 492 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: fact ready, but where we're um? Oh yeah that. The 493 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,600 Speaker 1: worst thing I read was that some owners slip other 494 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: dogs chocolate before an event. It's just just because chocolate 495 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: is bad for dogs or something. I mean, it is 496 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: in the long run, but chocolate can also cause a 497 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: dog's mouth to come all filmy inside, and since the 498 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,720 Speaker 1: judge looks at the teeth pretty closely, you can actually 499 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,399 Speaker 1: throw off your score. Wow. Actually, I read something that 500 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,160 Speaker 1: maybe even more disturbing about that is that sometimes dogs 501 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: get roofied by a competitors. Roofied like I've heard about 502 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: like people slipping them laxatives, but not roofies. Yeah, and 503 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,960 Speaker 1: it's it's not enough to make them fall asleep, but 504 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: enough that they aren't sharp in the ring. And it's 505 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 1: totally crazy what these people are doing. That's that's honestly gross. 506 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,439 Speaker 1: And of course there are other tactics that aren't as 507 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: slimy as any of these, but but also don't feel 508 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: exactly ethical, Like there are reports of dogs that have 509 00:25:31,840 --> 00:25:36,640 Speaker 1: plastic surgery to enhance their assets, and they're funny, ridiculous 510 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,360 Speaker 1: things like their reports from judges who claim that some 511 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: dogs use so much hairsprayed that they can't get their 512 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 1: hand through the coat. And actually this is old article 513 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,200 Speaker 1: from the New York Times Weekend Review. This is from 514 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,399 Speaker 1: and it's all about the dog show enhancing and and 515 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: it's so great here let me read this quotium as 516 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,399 Speaker 1: surely as there are pictures skilled in the use of 517 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,320 Speaker 1: hair oil or tobacco juice to alter a baseball's flight, 518 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: there are dog handlers unwilling to be slaves to the rules. 519 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,359 Speaker 1: As a younger judge at a smaller show, Mr Goodman recalled, 520 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,080 Speaker 1: he would admire the rich coppery tones and the coats 521 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:13,240 Speaker 1: of Airdales and Welsh terriers. Sometimes his hands would be 522 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: read afterwards. Can you imagine petting a dog in your 523 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: hand coming out all rest like? And there's a great 524 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:21,840 Speaker 1: story in there too, about how one poodle looked like 525 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: she she was like beautiful and naturally fluffy, but when 526 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,399 Speaker 1: an admiring judge got closer, the poodle shook and this 527 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: thick cloud of powder floated off and floated towards the 528 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: judges clothing. Oh gosh, yeah, but I did see. I mean, 529 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,560 Speaker 1: one thing that kept coming up and reading about this 530 00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 1: is that it's really hard to fool a skill judge. 531 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 1: I mean, some of those powder and paint tricks might 532 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: get you through the lower rounds, but it's definitely not 533 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: enough to win for you at you know, at Westminster. No. 534 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: I definitely agree with that. But like we mentioned before, 535 00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 1: a good handler does know who the judges are going 536 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: to be and and they'll try to show to their interests. Um, 537 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: you know, speaking wish that there's some great nicknaming for 538 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: judges with certain pref Likewise, it's it's like jargon in 539 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 1: the industry. But like a judge who obsesses over perfect 540 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 1: teeth is called a tooth fairy, and one who gives 541 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: preference to the dog's head over the body, they're called 542 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 1: head hunters. All right, So so maybe you can take 543 00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,840 Speaker 1: those things into consideration as you're showing a dog but 544 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,840 Speaker 1: there's one definite way to sway a judge that isn't 545 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 1: talked about that much. And and honestly, that's advertising. And 546 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: I really didn't have any idea about this, but just 547 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 1: like they do for movies with all those you know, 548 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,600 Speaker 1: for your consideration as Yeah, and which is funny because 549 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: Best in Show and for your Consideration are both Christopher guests. 550 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,199 Speaker 1: That is true. Good point. But you know, but the 551 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 1: dog show world has the exact same kind of thing 552 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,159 Speaker 1: going on. And there there are a few dog magazines 553 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 1: that go out free to every a case judge as 554 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: they get their certification. And you know, some of these 555 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: owners they'll pay thirty thousand dollars per dog to get 556 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: their puppies glam shots and names highlighted in the magazines. 557 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: It's it's really crazy and it's a big business. Yeah, 558 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean that's an insane amount of money. But but 559 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: judges often claim that they don't read those magazines, right, 560 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 1: and I mean, like I've read the titles. They're like 561 00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:03,439 Speaker 1: the Canine Chronicle. Yeah, but you know they're there are 562 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: three or four of these magazines out there, and they'd 563 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 1: be all out of business if people didn't think they 564 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: worked and there was this interview with The Daily Beast. 565 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 1: Then Bob Wheeler was interviewed and he said, I can't 566 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,400 Speaker 1: think of any top ten dog in the last ten 567 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,520 Speaker 1: years that didn't do some advertising, you know, And the 568 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:21,199 Speaker 1: whole notion is, you can't put a mediocre dog in 569 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 1: there and buy enough ad space to win. But if 570 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: you have a real contender and you can build this 571 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: campaign around them, and you know, if you're lucky enough 572 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,920 Speaker 1: to put a judge in your photo with your dog 573 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: who also happens to be at Westminster, supposedly the flattery 574 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,240 Speaker 1: has worked. So let's recap a little. We know that 575 00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 1: if you want a game a dog show, you need 576 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: a great handler, a lot of advertising, perhaps a little 577 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: hot dog in your pants are bra of course you'll 578 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,959 Speaker 1: need a pure bread, but let's talk about that. So initially, 579 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: when I was thinking about this, I was wondering if 580 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: there was a way to game a dog show where 581 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 1: you could pick a super obscure breed and just like 582 00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: work your way in through a side door and kind 583 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: of like those mediocre American athletes who will buy their 584 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: way into Olympic has been like a different country. Yeah, 585 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 1: and you know, I didn't find a lot about this, 586 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: and I'm guessing you could win some local competitions and 587 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 1: maybe get into Westminster if the breed is really obscure 588 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: and uncompetitive. But you know, the show takes into account 589 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: how many dogs you're beating to get there. And one 590 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: intangible that judges and dog handlers seem to keep talking 591 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: about is a dog's charisma, and so judges want dogs 592 00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,640 Speaker 1: with great temperaments and great charisma. And you know you're 593 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: not going to win with an introv that is sad. 594 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: And you know, there's certainly breeds that dominate the competition. 595 00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: So if you're really looking to win, and you had 596 00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: the money for it, you'd probably want to go with 597 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 1: a thoroughbred line of a known favorite breed, you know, 598 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,680 Speaker 1: rather than trying to win with an outsider dog, even 599 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 1: if the competition will be pretty stiff to get to Westminster. 600 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 1: So give me an example. Well, for decades, terriers were 601 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: the dog and you couldn't get around them, and and 602 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,320 Speaker 1: that's partially because they're bred to be fearless, so they'll 603 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: strut around and bounce and take it all in stride. 604 00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: But they've kind of lost steam over the years, and today, 605 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: you know, Yorky's are really the only terrier that have 606 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: been winning. Well, there has been a move to like 607 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 1: toy dogs, right, Yeah, that's definitely true. I mean more 608 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: tiny dogs have one recently, but there hasn't been a 609 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: clear trend that Vegas or people creating the odds on 610 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: Westminster have really identified at this point. Well, I don't 611 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: want to dwell on this, but we should probably talk 612 00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 1: just a little bit about why dog shows and creating 613 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: pure bred dogs can be problematic. You know, when I 614 00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: read about some of the problems that these dogs have, 615 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: I was just horrified. Like English bulldogs obviously have at 616 00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: the worst. Not only does their big head make it 617 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: hard to breathe and and their bulging eyes are so 618 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,960 Speaker 1: poorly connected to their sockets, but the dogs sink and 619 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: water and they can't actually breathe themselves, like, they have 620 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: to be artificially inseminated, and they can't give birth, so 621 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,120 Speaker 1: they have to be delivered by c sections. Like we're 622 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: basically keeping the species alive because they're cute, and I 623 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: mean they are cute. There was a time when I 624 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: wanted to get a big, fat bulldog and name in Paddington. Well, 625 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: you know it isn't just bulldogs and cavalier King Charles 626 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: Spaniels have skulls that are too small for their brains, 627 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,440 Speaker 1: and there's a lot of us that's pretty horrifying, and 628 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,800 Speaker 1: there are lots of problems. And you know, even when 629 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: breeders are trying to avoid cruelty and build dogs with 630 00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,560 Speaker 1: better temperaments, like you know, tail cutting is something that 631 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,760 Speaker 1: you can't do for dog shows anymore. So breeders quickly 632 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,840 Speaker 1: bred dogs with tiny tails, and that's something you can 633 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,479 Speaker 1: do when just two or three generations. But as you 634 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: do that and crown a most beautiful dog that has 635 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,480 Speaker 1: this short, genetically engineered tail, you also don't know what 636 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: other genetic traits you're accidentally introducing. Well, the one thing 637 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: that does seem positive on this front is that much 638 00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,240 Speaker 1: like there's the human Genome Project, there's actually a dog 639 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: genome project that's located and mapped out all the canine 640 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: jeanes like both good and bad, and and with the 641 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: simple blood test, you can actually figure out whether or 642 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 1: not your dog is a carrier for certain traits, and 643 00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,880 Speaker 1: hopefully that will lead to healthier dogs in the future. 644 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: But speaking of pure breads, I do want to talk 645 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: a little about the dog breeds that haven't made the 646 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: cut to get into Westminster. Do you want to give 647 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: a few examples of those. Yeah, So they're about sixty 648 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: or so breeds that are just on the waiting list. Basically, 649 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 1: to make the cut, you have to show that your 650 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: breeding club has over a hundred members and there needs 651 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,480 Speaker 1: to be like over three hundred of this dog in 652 00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 1: the US. Then there has to be a breed standard 653 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,360 Speaker 1: that they're all measuring up to or trying to measure 654 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 1: up to, and the dogs have to have this pedigree 655 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:15,840 Speaker 1: of three generations minimum. Also, like these dogs can't all 656 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:18,520 Speaker 1: be from one region. That they've got to be scattered. 657 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,640 Speaker 1: And once all that's figured out, like then you can 658 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 1: compete in the miscellaneous category, which feels a little like 659 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: dog purgatory. I mean, there's some sort of political process 660 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: that gets you off the wait list, and it's kind 661 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 1: of murky as I understand it. Like the Tibetan Mastiff 662 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 1: got out of the miscellaneous category in just two years, 663 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,479 Speaker 1: but the Cavalier King Charles, they actually spent thirty years 664 00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: there and uh and and some of it's from the 665 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: breeders and the club themselves, like some clubs don't care 666 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,280 Speaker 1: who if they're recognized. Their red bone Coonhound is one 667 00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,840 Speaker 1: of these examples. They're really more of an agility and 668 00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: performance dogs, so they're not interested in showing for conforming 669 00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: and uh, and they've been happy with their designation. And 670 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: I think part of the reason the Cavalier Club like 671 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: they didn't want their pops on the list was because 672 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: breeders didn't want the dog to get too popular. But 673 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: the a k C recognized them anyway, and the club 674 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: was supposedly furious when it happened. I mean, I have 675 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 1: to met These politics are kind of funny when it 676 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: comes to all of this. All Right, Well, I think 677 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: we've talked about dog shows and how to win a show, 678 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 1: but I definitely want to talk about some of the 679 00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 1: non dog shows we found. So I'd love to read 680 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:24,560 Speaker 1: off a few of my favorites, and you let me 681 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: know if I missed any great ones. Well, I do 682 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 1: think before we moved to non dog shows, you've got 683 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: to talk about a few other dog shows. And so 684 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 1: I've got the World's Ugliest Dog Show, which often features 685 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: dogs only an owner could love, Like these are the 686 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: sweet temperament dogs with really bad haircuts, and their tongues 687 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: are sticking out and and they often look kind of 688 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: like they're modeled after the drawings of preschoolers. You know, 689 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: you definitely don't need to be a pure bred to 690 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: be in or just just really loved I guess. But 691 00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,840 Speaker 1: all right, well here a few others. So there's a 692 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 1: camel Festival. It takes place over twenty eight days, which 693 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: is pretty crazy. You definitely don't want to miss that one. 694 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: There's a rabbit show jumping competition that's known as the 695 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: Canning Hoppen NG and Sweden. I'm sure I said that incorrectly, 696 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,040 Speaker 1: where the world's most adorable bunnies are trained to hop high, 697 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,960 Speaker 1: far and fast. And then of course there's the cricket 698 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,359 Speaker 1: fighting UFC style contest and Beijing, which I wouldn't even mention, 699 00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040 Speaker 1: except that the crickets, which have lifespans of a hundred 700 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: days or so, they go for fifteen hundred dollars and insects. 701 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 1: That's crazy. And how do how do you know if 702 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: you've got a good cricket on your hands? Well, apparently 703 00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:29,759 Speaker 1: if you poke it and it chirps louder, you've got 704 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: a winner. Well, there's there's also an annual tarantula exhibition 705 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,360 Speaker 1: where which I want no part of, but where the 706 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: animals are judged on their coats and shine and also 707 00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:44,360 Speaker 1: their demeanor. I kind of like this idea of judging 708 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: a tarantula's demeanor so weird. Yeah, I'm also curious, like 709 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:51,640 Speaker 1: how much a stud tarantula goes for and and you 710 00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: know you you did forget my favorite, which is the 711 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: chicken strutting contest in Malaysia where where all these beautiful 712 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 1: fouls and march around with their chests out. Not to 713 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,480 Speaker 1: worry about this, I was saving the chicken strutting the 714 00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:05,439 Speaker 1: last The photos from this are unbelievable. I mean they're 715 00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,160 Speaker 1: like these little comical drum majors and the winners go 716 00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 1: for ten thousand dollars a bird. I think my favorite 717 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: part though, is the cheering for them. So I was 718 00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: reading this very sweet quote from one owner who was 719 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: yelling over this big crowd, Yes, my hero, puff out 720 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:22,440 Speaker 1: your chest. I mean just reading that quote made me happy. 721 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 1: It's pretty great. But you know, we can't spend this 722 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,840 Speaker 1: whole episode on dogs talking about chickens. So you know 723 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: what time it is? Time for the PTG fact off 724 00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,719 Speaker 1: And I've got just the fact to kick this off. 725 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: M So, the first dog show on record goes back 726 00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 1: to June eighteen fifty nine. That's when sixty hunting dogs, 727 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: only pointers and setters competed for best in Show. And 728 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,879 Speaker 1: it wasn't that they were trying to keep other dogs out. 729 00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: It's just that's the only dog they had at the time. 730 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: But the interesting part is because these were hunting dogs, 731 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,160 Speaker 1: instead of trophies, winners were giving guns instead. I'm surprised 732 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: no one's brought that back, Like I'm sure the n 733 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 1: r A would love to sponsor war dog show and 734 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: Noodles definitely needs a gun. So here's one about Westminster 735 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: that I didn't realize. Did you know that since the 736 00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: tournament's conception they've been giving a percent of the profits 737 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: to the A s p C A And in fact, 738 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: there's also a portion of the profits that goes to 739 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: scholarships for veterinary students. Wow, I I didn't realize that 740 00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 1: New York City gets so into this action all right. Well, 741 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: in addition to the Sardi's meal and the show taking 742 00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 1: over Madison Square Garden, the Empire State Building is lit 743 00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,840 Speaker 1: up for the event in purple and yellow. The shows 744 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:37,400 Speaker 1: official colors and Lakers colors. That's right. Do you know 745 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: that dog groom and parlors have been a thing since 746 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:42,800 Speaker 1: eighteenth century France. Apparently it all started when the poodle 747 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,840 Speaker 1: was named the official dog of King Louis the fifteenth Court. 748 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 1: That makes sense to me, though. All right, right, here's 749 00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: one I love. Did you know that Rentin Tin was 750 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:53,480 Speaker 1: actually supposed to win the first Oscar for Best Actor? 751 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 1: He started a number of box office hits and was 752 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: the clear favorite. But according to author Susan Orlean, the 753 00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: Academy wanted to be perceived as more serious, so they 754 00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,880 Speaker 1: took rent out of the running and did another vote, 755 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,440 Speaker 1: which is how a Mill Jennings ended up with the hardware. Well, 756 00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:11,359 Speaker 1: it's a sad, sad day in dog history. Although I 757 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,799 Speaker 1: do love a good Emil Jennings blockbuster anyway, I do 758 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,680 Speaker 1: love that fact, and just like Rentintin, you deserve this 759 00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:21,359 Speaker 1: week's trophy. But before we go, I want to thank 760 00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: Nolan Brown for his excellent research this weekend, and for 761 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: all you listeners out there, thank you so much for 762 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:42,120 Speaker 1: tuning in. Thanks again for listening. Part Time Genius is 763 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: a production of how stuff works and wouldn't be possible 764 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 1: without several brilliant people who do the important things we 765 00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: couldn't even begin to understand. Christa McNeil does the editing thing. 766 00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: Noel Brown made the theme song and does the mixy 767 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 1: mixy sound thing. Jerry Rowland does the exact producer thing. 768 00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 1: Gay Bluesier is our lead researcher, with support from the 769 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:02,200 Speaker 1: research Army including Austin Thompson, Nolan Brown and Lucas Adams 770 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 1: and Eves. Jeff Cook gets the show to your ears. 771 00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:06,200 Speaker 1: Good job, Eves. If you like what you heard, we 772 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 1: hope you'll subscribe, And if you really really like what 773 00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 1: you've heard, maybe you could leave a good review for us. 774 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: Do we do? We forget Jason Jason who