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Speaker 2: Donks, look at us now, tip to tip. This is

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Speaker 2: our life, this is our passion. That's the spirit we

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Speaker 2: bring to this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian Campbell. This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: It is December sixteenth, twenty twenty, and at this time

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Speaker 1: donks for Morning Combat. Hi everyone, my name is Luke Thomas.

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Speaker 1: I'm one half of your hosting duo. I'm joined by

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Speaker 1: the Gentleman. Not merely on the other side of the screen,

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Speaker 1: but the other side of the world, the other side

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Speaker 1: left coast, some say, the best coast. He's my friend

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Speaker 1: in yours. He's probably got bed bugs up the wazoo

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Speaker 1: from the roach motels he's been staying in. But you

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Speaker 1: know what, we love him just the same. We'll fumigate

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Speaker 1: him and hoes him off when he gets back. It's

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell. Hi, Brian Luke.

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Speaker 2: I was asked not to comment negatively about this place,

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Speaker 2: but uh, this is my breakfast for today. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: you do the math here, brother, all right, I'm here,

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Speaker 2: I'm ready. I'm a little groggy and cantankerous. But it

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Speaker 2: was Luke the Great Danish poet cal Matiesen, who once said,

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Speaker 2: when you wake up, it's life that has won a

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Speaker 2: fistfight with your dreams. I'm shitting blood while eating bacon,

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Speaker 2: So reality wins, or so it seems.

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Speaker 1: Luke. Okay, For a second there I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: is there a poet that I'm not aware of that

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Speaker 1: BC really responds to? And then it's you just repeating

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Speaker 2: Put the lotion in the basket already so we can live.

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Speaker 1: Please, how is the car tomorrow if for Ring City?

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Speaker 1: Is it still COVID unobstructed? What are we looking at

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Speaker 1: it tomorrow night?

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Speaker 2: It has held up well, and I do want to

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Speaker 2: shout out the unbeating Charles Conwell and that main event.

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Speaker 2: This is going to be a good test against an

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be a good main event. We got

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Speaker 2: a nice setup here, women's title fight on there, and Luke,

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Speaker 2: they changed COVID doctors for this trip, and your boy

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Speaker 2: another one. A rapid one so that he could make

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Speaker 2: it to the fighter interviews. Luke, you know I don't

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Speaker 2: say on a scale of one to ten in pain. Right,

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Speaker 2: my three needle excursion was like a four thousand. I

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Speaker 2: back to back COVID test by that Menendez brother who

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Speaker 2: gave it to me yesterday. Because Luke, they went so

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Speaker 2: deep into my into my brain, and we're just scooping

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Speaker 1: For human life.

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Speaker 2: I almost walked out.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I thought we were pay ask the deep brain

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Speaker 2: Two weeks ago, I had a nice swab, lady, very

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Speaker 1: It's funny there's a Canelo fight. We're not gonna talk

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Speaker 1: go to showtime dot com for a thirty day free trial.

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Speaker 1: If you like it, you can keep it. If not, well,

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Speaker 1: If you want to get some of that MK MERCHBC

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Speaker 2: As always in the MK land, we are giving you

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Speaker 2: from Edgar Burlanga to explain not only his sixteen fight

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Speaker 2: got Luke, Tracy Morgan, Snoop Dogg, Fat Joe. It's a

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Speaker 2: wild ride on an interview. Check it out. And a

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Speaker 2: Oh wow? Yeah, we got a big ginge coming on.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna edit you out of it

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Speaker 2: good news, I got a new co host and he's Canadian.

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Speaker 2: We won't be eating you anymore? All right? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: That ain't gonna have buddy. Okay, Well, let's get this started. BC.

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Speaker 1: So let's set this up. So yesterday on social media.

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Speaker 2: It was fantastic.

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Speaker 1: So then Jake Paul puts out a I want to

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Speaker 2: barraged with you guys, Sirius. There's it's Canelo fight week,

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Speaker 2: but they understand today's culture and they are really trying

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Speaker 2: now they're going after our own war combat heroes and

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Speaker 2: it's working. It's working, Luke, because whether you want to

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Speaker 2: But if you want to know how we specifically got here, Luke,

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Speaker 2: this smells like an inside job. Okay. Big Brown has

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Speaker 2: Logan Paul on his show this past week, which doing

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Speaker 2: whatever you want to go with with that, and then Luke,

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Speaker 2: is there. I smell an inside job, all right.

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Speaker 1: Despite the fact that he is one of our showtime brethren.

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Speaker 1: You love taking passive, aggressive shots at Brendan. Have you

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Speaker 2: Come on, if brothers from the same mother who cashes

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Speaker 2: their paychecks can't sling at each other, who can't luke?

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Speaker 1: Okay, it's a fair point. It raises a couple of questions.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't beg the question because that's not what begged

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Speaker 1: it does raise I think two really interesting questions for MEBC. First,

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Speaker 1: if they even tried something like this in any other sport,

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Speaker 1: be almost bizarre, right, maybe like these Trump lawsuits that

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Speaker 2: Just please? Just send me location? Please? Uh? Luke h?

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Speaker 2: Do you give him any credit? Because it was cringe worthy?

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Speaker 1: who's obviously not even close to being the combative athlete

431
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Speaker 1: that he is. I mean, Dylan Dannis really is quite

432
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,920
Speaker 1: good obviously from jiu jitsu, and we'll see what he

433
00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:38,600
Speaker 1: does in mma, but he's a real you know, he's

434
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 1: a real combat athlete, someone that's self serious and that

435
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,920
Speaker 1: over the top. Someone just treating him like absolute dirt.

436
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:49,199
Speaker 1: That is, if you're gonna have a gimmick, BC, that

437
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: ain't the worst one to have, I'll say that.

438
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 2: Do you think that Dylan Danis is basically the Paul

439
00:20:54,119 --> 00:21:03,080
Speaker 2: Brothers but he can also tap people out.

440
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,960
Speaker 1: As charismatic as them.

441
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,880
Speaker 2: That's true, That is true. Yeah, just it's got quick

442
00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:06,720
Speaker 2: fingers though. All right, look, let's get up. Can we

443
00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,400
Speaker 2: get away from this? Are this absolute bullshit? All right?

444
00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 1: We see what do you make of the news? And

445
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:13,119
Speaker 1: I'm going to read this to you here. Point number

446
00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 1: two the devison figuredo prior to usc two fifty six

447
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:20,760
Speaker 1: two times was hospitalized. Apparently he had stomach issues on

448
00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: Friday when he rehydrated with liquids and soup, and the

449
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 1: manager described it as thirty hours of nightmare. He almost

450
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 1: pulled out the fire for going to the hospital on

451
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Speaker 1: Friday from two thirty to six pm and then Saturday

452
00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: morning at two point thirty in the morning. On the

453
00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,560
Speaker 1: one HANDBC, you gotta say, wow, he really gutted it out, man,

454
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:40,280
Speaker 1: he made it work. On the other hand, it's like, yeah,

455
00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:43,440
Speaker 1: maybe that weight cut and the concerns we had around it,

456
00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:44,840
Speaker 1: maybe those are real.

457
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Speaker 2: Yeah, look it, we you know we have this time.

458
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Speaker 2: We discussed this briefly on Monday. The whole idea of

459
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 2: like him making this way. I'm looking at his body

460
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,160
Speaker 2: when he walked in the cage, Luke. I mean, there's

461
00:21:56,200 --> 00:22:00,119
Speaker 2: not even a sea hair of fat on there. I

462
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 2: mean he is at the absolute, like you know, peak

463
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 2: physical performance. How taxing is it just to do that

464
00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 2: in general three weeks apart and you know, every couple

465
00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 2: of months we're not gonna know. We're not gonna know

466
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 2: until we see him fall apart. But it was equally like,

467
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 2: holy shit, this is a badass to hear these this,

468
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,639
Speaker 2: that this happened, to hear his manager, how do you

469
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:22,359
Speaker 2: say what lead is?

470
00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:22,560
Speaker 1: Male?

471
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:23,080
Speaker 2: Is that his man?

472
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's That's what I said all these years,

473
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,080
Speaker 1: But now I'm being told it's volleyd Israel, So I

474
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Speaker 1: don't know.

475
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 2: So valid was a good interview with with Ariel Hawani

476
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 2: where they broke this down. I mean that's in say,

477
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 2: two hospital visits in the twenty four hour period before

478
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 2: throwing up, can't keep anything down, and he not only

479
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,400
Speaker 2: comes out Luke and goes five rounds, but goes five

480
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Speaker 2: rounds at.

481
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Speaker 4: A frickin hllacious pace in which he was throwing knockout

482
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Speaker 4: type blows every single strike, which which we've seen exhaust

483
00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 4: so many people in three round fights.

484
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to think both things at the same time.

485
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 2: One that this is awful for him physically and how

486
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 2: literally how much longer can he do this? And two

487
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,120
Speaker 2: he's better than we even thought Luke. I mean, this

488
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 2: is his year twenty twenty. Anyone that thinks this draw

489
00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: somehow mutes him deserving Fighter of the Year is insane.

490
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: This was as this is a victory. This draw was

491
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Speaker 2: a victory all things considered not to mention that he

492
00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: probably won it. Let me take a dead wrong on

493
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,840
Speaker 2: myself right now. I incorrectly read you that whole scorecard

494
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 2: fiasco on Monday. The guy who scored the final round

495
00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:29,720
Speaker 2: for Moreno, incorrectly the third judge. If he hadn't have

496
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:32,919
Speaker 2: done that, Figurato would have won the fight because Figuredo

497
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: was the only one to win that of the three scorecards.

498
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: I thought it was Marino. I had it mixed up,

499
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,840
Speaker 2: so he basically kind of got screwed in a weird way.

500
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Plus you add in the point deduction, which I'm not

501
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: saying is undeserving. But he won that fight more or less,

502
00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: so come away with a draw. He's a badass, Luke,

503
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 2: not just what he did with these four fights in

504
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, but he's so much better on a pound

505
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,320
Speaker 2: for pound level than I ever imagined he could be.

506
00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,800
Speaker 2: I updated my list of top ten for whatever it's

507
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Speaker 2: worth on CBS Sports this week. Luke, I've met number four,

508
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 2: number five think is the fourth best fighter in the

509
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 2: world right now, that's insane. He just showed us in

510
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 2: a twenty four hour period exactly what he has made

511
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: of And to your point, I do not know how

512
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: much longer he can keep doing this, because the body

513
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: won't last. We've seen many guys through the years have

514
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,000
Speaker 2: these short seasons of where they're killing themselves to make

515
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,640
Speaker 2: weight and they're producing, but then there's a fall off.

516
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: There's a fall off of multiple losses in multiple years

517
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Speaker 2: and injuries and illnesses. I hope you can throw it

518
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Speaker 2: together right now, Luke, because he is riding a hell

519
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,600
Speaker 2: of a wave.

520
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: Well. It also tells me that I don't know what

521
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,719
Speaker 1: he got paid on Saturday, but I have a general

522
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: idea given what we know about UFC pay days for

523
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 1: flyweight Maine inventors. And while I'm sure the paycheck was nice,

524
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,359
Speaker 1: you know, I don't bigger than probably any pacheck I've

525
00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: ever received. It probably isn't enough. It probably is not

526
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:53,439
Speaker 1: for him and moreno for that matter. So when you

527
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: see what these guys go through just in the fight,

528
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 1: you think, Wow, man, that's incredible. The really should get

529
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: paid every dime they're worth. Hear stories like this, you're like, yeah,

530
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: it's so much more than that. I mean, this was

531
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,360
Speaker 1: my concern about the three weeks. It's like, Okay, you're

532
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 1: already down. All you have to do is stay down.

533
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,680
Speaker 1: But staying down when you're that low, that is hard

534
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,119
Speaker 1: to do, and it's gonna come with complications. Now, maybe

535
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: there's more to the story, BC. Maybe he got food poisoning,

536
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: or maybe there was you know who the hell knows.

537
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 1: It's not just as simple as the weightcut contributed to it.

538
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: But you know, more often than not, BC, you know this,

539
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: whenever someone has an incredible weight cut issue and they

540
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,879
Speaker 1: have trouble doing it again, it's usually not food poisoning

541
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,399
Speaker 1: or you know, some kind of other random occurrence that

542
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:35,679
Speaker 1: got them there. So I'm gonna say that the blame,

543
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:38,840
Speaker 1: if not squarely, predominantly falls on that. And it actually

544
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:40,200
Speaker 1: kind of worries me a little bit too, not just

545
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:41,919
Speaker 1: for his health. You mentioned you know, this will all

546
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,280
Speaker 1: come crashing down if he doesn't move up eventually. I

547
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:45,919
Speaker 1: would actually agree with that a little bit. And actually

548
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 1: it'll be worse. Like usually there's this seminal event where

549
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: you get hospitalized and the doctors tell you have organ

550
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,800
Speaker 1: failure and then you can never go back to one

551
00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five. I mean, could he make one

552
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: twenty five in California given their weight cutting restrictions Actually

553
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: wonder about that, like, I don't even know if the

554
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:05,160
Speaker 1: flyweight main inventor and champion can headline or even compete

555
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: in the state of California. I We'll have to see

556
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,719
Speaker 1: about that. But the thing that it brings me to

557
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,960
Speaker 1: BC is one it does make you reconsider again the

558
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 1: question of who is the best fighter this year, and

559
00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,840
Speaker 1: for all the reasons that you raised, I totally agree

560
00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: it's now him, and it's not There was no real

561
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,359
Speaker 1: competition from Kevin Holland he's like an honorable mention given

562
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: the just he had a ridiculous run, but it's not

563
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,719
Speaker 1: the same as the championship level that Figuredo's been at.

564
00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: But now there's just absolutely no question whatsoever. But more

565
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: than that, the thing that makes me worried about him

566
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,120
Speaker 1: is and the division. It's like, you know, the division

567
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: had Mighty Mouse, and people complained all the time that

568
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: it wasn't enough, but you at least had a figurehead

569
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 1: that made you want to talk about flyweight. And now

570
00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: you've got this guy in Figuredo who everyone listen, He's

571
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,480
Speaker 1: not going to shake up the pay per view market

572
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: anytime soon, but you at least have this figure at

573
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 1: flyweight who is touchable. We saw that with moreno, but

574
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 1: still pretty dominant given everything he'd up until that fight.

575
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,120
Speaker 1: And now it's like, well, what if he only has

576
00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:06,239
Speaker 1: a couple fights left in this weight class and then

577
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 1: he has to go? Now, where are we We're gonna

578
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 1: send Cody Garbran back down. It's just amazing to me

579
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 1: that at one thirty five you just have this spillover

580
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 1: of talent. They don't have enough room for all of

581
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,239
Speaker 1: their guys who are so good, and then there's this

582
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:22,200
Speaker 1: dramatic drop off into one twenty five, which is still

583
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 1: a good division. I'll mist understand me, but it doesn't

584
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: hold a candle to one thirty five, which may be

585
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 1: the best division in all of MMA. So I just

586
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: worry about Flyway. They had this big, towering figure, nearly

587
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,280
Speaker 1: got gutted. They're building another one, but he doesn't seem

588
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:35,760
Speaker 1: like he's built for the long haul here at one

589
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty five pounds B see.

590
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. Look where would you have him pound

591
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 2: for pound? I don't hear much of your talk about

592
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 2: pound for pound. Where where do you think he fits in?

593
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 2: Right now?

594
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:46,719
Speaker 1: That's a great question. So give me yours and I'll

595
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,680
Speaker 1: tell you if I so when you have what Jones

596
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: are coming?

597
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 2: Well, we have removed to be from our CBS rankings,

598
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: even though he didn't vacate the title because he said

599
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,120
Speaker 2: he was retiring. You can argue, you know when someone

600
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 2: should come off in this situation. So I've got John

601
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,200
Speaker 2: Jones barely holding on to number one over Israelata Sonia

602
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 2: number two, Kamara Usman number three, four, Figuredo five.

603
00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: Steepe, give me six to ten?

604
00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Who else we got there?

605
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 1: Luke?

606
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,480
Speaker 2: I know in the back end of ten, I've got Holloway, Geechee,

607
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 2: Peter Yank.

608
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: Who are and how do you define for pound for pound?

609
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: As in who is doing the like a stock report?

610
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: Like who's doing the best right now?

611
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 2: Well, you know, resume. I always look at it like

612
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 2: this resume gets you on the list in most cases.

613
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,320
Speaker 2: But what separates you from somebody else isn't as much

614
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: of what you've accomplished, but what you look like right now?

615
00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: Do I believe in a mythical you know, same weight

616
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 2: class fight, everyone bringing their same strength and weaknesses, that

617
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: you would beat the other guy.

618
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,520
Speaker 1: I probably wouldn't put him ahead of Steepe, but maybe

619
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: the rest of them. Yeah, it's slightly different than yours. Yeah,

620
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: he's I mean, he's up there for sure, no doubt

621
00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: about it. The guy is doing incredible things. I just

622
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: worry about his health and I worry about the division

623
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 1: if he is no longer, not immediately, but you know,

624
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: he's got I think.

625
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: Six Luke, all the usual players you'd assume, and that

626
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 2: and that back in there.

627
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, I put it maybe just a

628
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: little bit behind Stepe, but that's about it. Other than that,

629
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: I think I think you're on the mark with that.

630
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: All right, We'll have to see what happens next. Juel Romero.

631
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 1: He also did an interview with ESPN's Erry Holwane through

632
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 1: a translator, saying a bunch of things. Let's talk about

633
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: the reasons why he got released. First, we see, so

634
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: apparently they wanted him to fight Derek Brunson or you'

635
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: yah Hall. He was like no, So they said, okay,

636
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: well how about Johnny Walker at two o five. Now,

637
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was those two and then him.

638
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what the order was or if it was,

639
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, in which way the bouts were offered, but

640
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 1: in general he was offered those three Johnny Walker at

641
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: two o five and then you Ryah Hall and Derek

642
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: Brunson at one eighty five. He eventually said no to

643
00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: all of them, and the reason why is because he

644
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: wanted to be nearer to a title shot. He thought

645
00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: those were all a step backward.

646
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 2: He want Look, he wanted a top three opponent at

647
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: either division, which look to be honest, that's a that's

648
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 2: a that's a fair request when you have that name.

649
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,440
Speaker 2: I know Dana's probably still holding it against him his

650
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: performance against out as Sonia, but that's a fair request

651
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 2: in my mind.

652
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: And he said he was very surprised by the release.

653
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 1: He did not see it coming. And anyway, they released him,

654
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: all right, given what he has said, And again we

655
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 1: haven't heard the UFC side, but let's assume that what

656
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: Uella is saying is reasonably accurate. What do you make

657
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: of it?

658
00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, just this part of it was a little bit

659
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: wild to me because, uh, I think he's shown you.

660
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 2: I like, yeah, four straight losses or whatever, But nobody

661
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 2: has had this type of run where it's like fight

662
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,520
Speaker 2: he probably won, but lost. Fight he probably won but

663
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 2: lost missed way but still won. You know, given the

664
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 2: title set, he didn't deserve and then kind of punted

665
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: and didn't show his best foot forward. With all that said, though,

666
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: let's not forget I'm the biggest out of Sonya supporter

667
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 2: in terms of his ability as you are. Yet I

668
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: had Romero beating him. So for this kind to come

669
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: back to the UFC and say I want a top

670
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: three guy, but you can do it over either division,

671
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: I'll dare to be great and move up to two

672
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 2: o five and then to call back a third time.

673
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,840
Speaker 2: If this one as he says, and we're basically like

674
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 2: begin pounding sand, you're out of here. I don't get it, Luke.

675
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 2: If it's as simple as he makes more money and

676
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: has a shorter window because he's forty three forty four

677
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: years old, and again, Dana still might be sore at

678
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:21,960
Speaker 2: him for coming out and trying to, you know, CounterPunch

679
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: and box out of Soignia from distance. Okay, I understand it,

680
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: but I never understand this type of mattermaking. Why would

681
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: you throw him Brunson or Hall. He's at a point

682
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 2: in his career where in my eyes, it's either title

683
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: fight fight that leads to a title fight or a

684
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 2: fun old guy fight. This is the same thing they

685
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 2: did with Anderson Silver, where it just doesn't make a

686
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:42,040
Speaker 2: lot of sense to throw him a fight that has

687
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 2: no storyline and doesn't matter. It's clear, Luke, that they

688
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: did not see him in the same light I do

689
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 2: as this celebrity, older fighter who brings magic all the time.

690
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah he might miss wait, yeah he might have a

691
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 2: fight that wasn't as exciting, but look at the pictures

692
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: up now with him and Costa relive that that thrill ride. Okay,

693
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 2: the fact that they came back to him and said goodbye,

694
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 2: I gotta believe it's money. But I don't know, Luke,

695
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:06,800
Speaker 2: you piss off the boss. We always say the quickest

696
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 2: way to Dana's hart is going out there and being

697
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 2: a company man and you know, and taking a fight

698
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 2: on short notice and fighting your balls off and chasing

699
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 2: that bonus. That's how Dana will love you forever. That's

700
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: how Dana's putting Bonner in the Hall of Fame and

701
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 2: all these other guys. You can also piss him off

702
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 2: and never be the same, Luke. Okay, you almost got

703
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: there with your MMA Nation Twitter account that time back

704
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 2: in twenty eleven. You survived that shit storm, But you

705
00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: can never be the same. Maybe it's part of that, Luke,

706
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 2: because I don't understand at all how you're gonna let

707
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: this guy walk to your biggest competitor.

708
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, here's probably how they're looking at it.

709
00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 1: I mean, there's one thing that you got to give

710
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: the UFC credit. Sometimes they'll let a guy go just

711
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: because they don't they don't want him anymore, and they'll

712
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: have a bad, you know, relationship with him. And Ryan

713
00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: Baterer would be a good example of that, where he

714
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: wasn't let go because he's a bad fighter. He was

715
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: let go because they didn't like his style at times.

716
00:32:58,400 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: I mean he didn have good knockouts too, like the

717
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 1: one Little TV. But you know, having spoken to some

718
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,600
Speaker 1: folks in the know about him, he just had a

719
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 1: bad relationship with the matchmakers and they were ready to

720
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: just part ways with him. But in general, when they

721
00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: let a guy go, more often than not, they have

722
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 1: a good sense that they're not done. But for sure,

723
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 1: we already got the best of what he has to offer.

724
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I think releasing Benson Henderson when they did that proved

725
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: to be true. Same with Rory MacDonald. I think in general,

726
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 1: you mean Beltork got a little bit out of him.

727
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 1: But he's already gone from that organization too, right, I

728
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: mean you can go back through the years, they've always

729
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 1: had a pretty good sense of things. Now are they're

730
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: right about it? Now? We'll see. My hunch is what

731
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: they look at is they say he lost a costa

732
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: all the losses. Forty four has had a bunch of

733
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: the problems missing weight. Yeah, well you have a little

734
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: bit of magic in the beltr cage probably, But the

735
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: idea that is, you know, sunshiny days ahead of him,

736
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: No chance we got the best of you all. You

737
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: can have what's left. You know. The only time will

738
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: tell whether that calculation is true. Plus, I don't know luke.

739
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 2: Him saying two A five to meet that debate you

740
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 2: just had. If he's you're if he's offering himself up

741
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: to be a a B side to a light heavyweight champion,

742
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 2: that's business to me. I'm not saying he moves, he changes,

743
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 2: you know, the bottom line to a great degree. No,

744
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 2: the casual fans don't know Romero, but how do you.

745
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 2: I don't know. Like that guy. You can use his

746
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 2: old ass name and fun fighting style and at two

747
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 2: O five as well, that would seem to be enough

748
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 2: to say yeah, yeah, yeah, we got you, we got you.

749
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 2: You'll be a great opponent for Yan or Reis or whatever.

750
00:34:29,080 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: Or I think he's currently at two o five, or

751
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: even if you could make one of the five, but

752
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 1: let's just talk two five. At two of five, do

753
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,520
Speaker 1: I think he could become the champion there? I mean,

754
00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: I think Nemkov, including against Rumble, I think Nemkov beats

755
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 1: any of those guys, But I don't know that. We'll

756
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 1: have to see. And I think he could obviously be

757
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:46,920
Speaker 1: very competitive and very exciting, very fun. The question is

758
00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:48,719
Speaker 1: for how much longer? And none of us know the

759
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: answer to that. I'm just sort of pointing out Zufa

760
00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 1: the historically, man, I've seen this for a long time.

761
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: They tend to have a real keen sense about not done.

762
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 1: But the end of when they're magic is relevant is

763
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: not nearly as far away as you might imagine. So

764
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,240
Speaker 1: you know, if pastes prologue what you know, then they'll

765
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: this will end up being seen in a different light.

766
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 1: But for the time being, it also just goes to

767
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 1: show BC if you don't play ball and you have

768
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,480
Speaker 1: issues making weight, and you're not like a true a

769
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,799
Speaker 1: side like they wouldn't. They would never do this to like,

770
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: you know, John Jones or something right, at least not

771
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: the current version of him. But if you at all

772
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,960
Speaker 1: are a little step down from that where you're popular,

773
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 1: but you're not like a side in UFC popular and

774
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 1: you have weight issues and you don't want to take

775
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 1: fights across you know, two different weight divisions, Dude, they

776
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: don't have time for that at all. They they want

777
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: people who say yes. They want people who are ready,

778
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 1: and they want you to be a part of the machine.

779
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 1: And if you don't see yourself as part of that

780
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: those plans in the way that they see you as

781
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:51,960
Speaker 1: part of those plans, you'd be surprised who they might

782
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: let go in the end.

783
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 2: You'd be surprised. Yeah, hell of a comedy special, Luke.

784
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 2: What about the other comment he ad to Ariel, meaning

785
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 2: you all Romero, where he's said ninety percent chance I

786
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: fight Rumble in my belotour debut. Is that smart? If

787
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 2: you're in Look, we don't know if that's true. Again,

788
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 2: we'll find out, right, But if you're Bellatore and Scott

789
00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,239
Speaker 2: Coker and you have these fun new chess pieces and

790
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:17,919
Speaker 2: we already just a few days ago. We're like, hey man,

791
00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 2: it's about time right now for a light heavyweight Grand Prix. Like,

792
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:24,239
Speaker 2: throw that shit together and stamp it right now? Do

793
00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: you waste this matchup? I mean you're gonna get eyes

794
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: on it. It's a tenth pole event. Whether Coker would

795
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: put it on you know, showtime, CBS or go to

796
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: the pay per view root or whatever. You waste this

797
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: or this early? What do you do here?

798
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: No chance?

799
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 3: Not.

800
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:42,359
Speaker 1: First, they're gonna give Rumble Johnson somebody who He's gonna

801
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: send it to the Land of Wind and Ghosts and

802
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: they'll probably make them.

803
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 2: Can they give them all the all the fat white

804
00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: guys that that Bobby Lashley used to fight under the

805
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 2: belatour banner? Can we just have a one night tournament?

806
00:36:53,640 --> 00:36:54,640
Speaker 2: Can we do Diggstown here?

807
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: I mean, do you remember that dude who fought who's

808
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,800
Speaker 1: your wrestling dude from AEW Jake Hager?

809
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 2: Remember he fought the dude?

810
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:05,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy who was literally the butcher at Food Lion.

811
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,720
Speaker 1: They got him.

812
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: He literally was the guy at the slaughterhouse who carries

813
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 2: out the empty bones and just throws it away. Yeah.

814
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 2: And also he has a h he has his hazmat license,

815
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: so he was able to drive the truck out of there.

816
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 2: And he also does uber on the side, so it

817
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,919
Speaker 2: was convenient Luke that he could show up that night. Yeah,

818
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: can we get Rumble against those guys for a couple

819
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,840
Speaker 2: of months, please please live.

820
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: Dude, that's who those that's who. Those guys are gonna

821
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: be fighting first, but once they get their wins and

822
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: everyone's like, wow, especially for Rumble, because you will. I mean,

823
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,399
Speaker 1: he's been not like super active recently, but he's been

824
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:48,440
Speaker 1: what height February right something like that. Uh So, I

825
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: mean I could be dead wrong me. I'm not declaring

826
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,360
Speaker 1: to you that way. I just think that might be

827
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,799
Speaker 1: the last time he fought whenever it was to Aught

828
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: to Sonia fight or maybe January. I can't remember at.

829
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: This point, but yeah, this calendar year.

830
00:37:57,560 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, this calendar year. So you know, been off

831
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: for a long time. They're definitely gonna soft pedal himn back.

832
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Scott Cocher, we sort of laugh about it

833
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,200
Speaker 1: a little bit, but like we'll laugh about it a lot.

834
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 1: But he I will give him credit. He actually believes

835
00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 1: in tune up fights now, not every time, not all

836
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: the time. It's that you would normally see them in boxing,

837
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: But it's a bit of a middle ground between the

838
00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: UFC's like there's no such thing as a tune up fight,

839
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: and then in boxing, where you know there's constantly tune

840
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: up fights. You're gonna get one here for Rumble and

841
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: probably something pretty similar for you. Well, do they might

842
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: even do a Grand Prix? I mean, you've got enough

843
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: names to do a light heavyweight Grand Prix, plus you

844
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: know the winner of that, Coker, I mean, he can

845
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: declare it anyway, but after the Grand Prix you could

846
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: easily be like, hey, this is the best light heavyweight

847
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: on earth. Maybe that's not true, maybe it is, but

848
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 1: you can at least have a credible case or a

849
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: good argument to make it after that point, you know.

850
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 2: And you could have had that argument after the heavyweight

851
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: Strikeforce Grand Prix, although it didn't go the way they wanted,

852
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,240
Speaker 2: but it did produce a star out of nowhere in DC,

853
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 2: and I think you can make that argument with this

854
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: featherweight Grand Prix. So they're not doing too bad right now?

855
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: Out would you? Would you think about any of these

856
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 2: guys for fad or you. I've talked to Cooker about

857
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:08,479
Speaker 2: this off camera many times Fador is willing to fight again.

858
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 2: You know, I love throwing out like Anderson Silvan fad Or.

859
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 2: I mean, would you move for Romero and fad Or?

860
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: What what would you do with fad Or? Luke? You

861
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,080
Speaker 2: don't like the same type of gas station fights that

862
00:39:18,120 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: I do, But what would you do with them?

863
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 1: Is the du the at the Pigley Wiggly who is

864
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: stock in the shelves?

865
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 2: He? I mean, you got to give him a name,

866
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 2: you got to give him smaller names.

867
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: I'm laughing about that joke. I'm sorry, I just I am.

868
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: I can't I can't stop laughing.

869
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 2: You're rock hard with emotion right now.

870
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a Moaner and morning.

871
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 2: Underrated one liner from the Great doncumentary.

872
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: This is this is such a stupid show that we do.

873
00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:54,680
Speaker 1: It's the dumbest show. We should only talk about Jake

874
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 1: Paul on the show. That's how dumb we are.

875
00:39:56,400 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 2: Wec I just teed you up on which old smaller

876
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 2: guy do you want Faedor to fight? Maybe we should

877
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:02,920
Speaker 2: move on, Luke?

878
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,360
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, uh sorry, that was just it made joke

879
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,200
Speaker 1: about the dude carrying the bones. I'm sorry. I couldn't

880
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 1: stop laughing. It's just too good. It's just too good.

881
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna skip this one. We're just gonna bring it

882
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: up very quickly. Kayla Harrison back to action against Josette Cotton.

883
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: She's gonna be fighting for tight en f C. I

884
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 1: think tomorrow BC, if memory serves certainly, that or Friday,

885
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,680
Speaker 1: and uh it's her second fight outside of PFL, which

886
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: I forgot to ask her, like how come you can

887
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: do this and a bunch of other PFL donks can't.

888
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: But I forgot, So it's on me. I'm guessing it's

889
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 1: because of her manager. But in either case, any thoughts

890
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: on Kayla Harrison fighting Josette Cotton not really.

891
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 2: I am interested, Luke, is this a featherweight fight, because

892
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,480
Speaker 2: I'm interested to the idea of Kayla really trying to

893
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 2: make this one forty five thing happen, knowing that you know,

894
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: PFL can make a fake division, you know, sort of

895
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: create a division that's not there one fifty five to

896
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: suit you because you're a star. But this, if she

897
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 2: keeps making one forty five, that's showing you, Luke, that

898
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: the path to the UFC is coming. Correct.

899
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 1: I don't think so. I think what she had told

900
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: me was at this point, I don't think she can

901
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 1: get down there.

902
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 2: So I thought she just fought in in Victa last

903
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: month at one when she turned that chick into Carrie.

904
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:28,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, she did bludging that chi. Also she fought Kayla.

905
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 1: I didn't realize this back at PFL twenty eighteen, and

906
00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: she lost to be a ground and pound in the

907
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: third round. So I guess she's looking for a second

908
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:36,080
Speaker 1: helping BC.

909
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,959
Speaker 2: Yeah, second helping of that cot And yeah, she's gonna

910
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: be picking it, Luke, She's gonna be on this. Look.

911
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: I like that. I'd like her doing this. Yeah, I

912
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,719
Speaker 2: like Kayla. Look, she's an attraction. Okay, I want to

913
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: see her grow and expand you know, but what do

914
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 2: you give her, Luke? One more year in the PFL,

915
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 2: then we finally do it.

916
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 1: What do you get? Yeah, well, with your terrible joke,

917
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: I'm just going to move along before get into trouble.

918
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: Let's get into word. It actually gets a little bit

919
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,439
Speaker 1: interesting BC. All right, So the Boxing Hall of Fame

920
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: inductees for twenty twenty are Floyd Mayweather, Vladimir Klitchko, and

921
00:42:13,040 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: Andre Ward. A little bit surprised James Tony didn't get in,

922
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: and I saw some writers moralizing about peds, which just

923
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,960
Speaker 1: makes me lol because it's so fucking naive. But okay,

924
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 1: that aside, what do we make of these entries? What

925
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: do you make of the twenty twenty class such as.

926
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,880
Speaker 2: It will well, you're a little bit dead wrong. This

927
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: is the class of twenty twenty one. So what happened

928
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:36,840
Speaker 2: was they never they named the class of twenty twenty,

929
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,960
Speaker 2: which was star studded by the way Bernard Hawkins, Wan Men,

930
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 2: Will Marc As, Shane Moseley. It's the first year women

931
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: will be inducted at so it's Christy Martin, Lucia Riker.

932
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,399
Speaker 2: But they were unable to have that ceremony because of COVID,

933
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: so they pushed that off to twenty twenty one. There's

934
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,200
Speaker 2: going to be a double ceremony. But yes, this class.

935
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 2: The voting actually mattered and was interesting this time, Luke,

936
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: because as you mentioned, not only did James Tony miss out,

937
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 2: but Miguel Coto missed out. And how the voting works is,

938
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: you know, there are a set number of names in

939
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 2: sort of the modern category that get in, so we

940
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 2: knew one legend at least would be on the outside

941
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 2: looking in. But look, there are some years there's been

942
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 2: absolutely star studied. Loaded classes has been some years just

943
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 2: based on how the process works of you know, you

944
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 2: have to be retired for certain money years that it

945
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 2: hasn't been a star studied. Could you get any better

946
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: than Floyd Mayweather, Vladimir Klitchko, Leila, Ali, Andre Warden and

947
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 2: Wolf as the as your headliners for twenty twenty one.

948
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 2: I mean that's insane, and uh it makes it easier

949
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,239
Speaker 2: to digest a great champion like Miguel Coto's sitting out

950
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 2: or Tony for you mentioned. I know they really hold

951
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 2: that against him, but yeah, it's a little bit ridiculous,

952
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 2: just like anyone making comments even related to Floyd to

953
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: be honest, in some of his you know, obviously despicable

954
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 2: actions outside the ring. Bill build de Loft, a great

955
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 2: long time boxing read to put out a tweet Luke

956
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: that just showed a picture of an open grass at

957
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: a park and nobody there and said this would be

958
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 2: in the box, This would the picture of the boxing

959
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame if we left out everybody who has

960
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 2: a shady past, essentially for arrest and bad shit. So

961
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 2: let's get past that argument. As well, this is great,

962
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,880
Speaker 2: This is absolutely great. I mean, this would be the

963
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 2: year to go, Luke. I've never made the trip to Canistota.

964
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: I've driven by the highway, you know, driving past Syracuse

965
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 2: on the way out to Buffalo and Niagara Falls, but

966
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: I never got off and went to the ceremony. This

967
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: would be the year to do it. With both classes

968
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: coming together. And it's interesting that Floyd in Klitschko, who

969
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: both won medals at the ninety six Games, sort of

970
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:33,799
Speaker 2: had their careers end at the same time, and they're

971
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 2: going in together. I love it, Luke, I love I

972
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:38,320
Speaker 2: love this nature.

973
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,719
Speaker 1: Would you do you vote on this or at all?

974
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 2: I used to I used to be a member of

975
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 2: the BWAA, But Luke, you know me, I'm I'm not

976
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: a big fraternity guy, right.

977
00:44:47,560 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: Are you a member of the j M m A

978
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: or wherever the fuck it is? No?

979
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no.

980
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: What is dumber? The j MMA or the BWAA.

981
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:00,880
Speaker 2: They're both pretty dumb. Look. If I've been in some

982
00:45:00,960 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 2: VWA meetings that would make you cringe, then that's why

983
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 2: I'm not there anymore. But shout out to all these

984
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 2: people that got in.

985
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,040
Speaker 1: Let me ask you about would you have put James

986
00:45:11,080 --> 00:45:11,480
Speaker 1: Tony in.

987
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he wildly deserves it. Yeah, he had sort

988
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 2: of a shady esque end of his career. He moved

989
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 2: up to heavyweight, lost that fight that he was going

990
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: to win a title because the steroids, and then obviously

991
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: went the route of hanging on too long and fighting

992
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 2: in the UFC. But James Tony, you know, you talk

993
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 2: about a pound for pound guy. Yeah, this is first

994
00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:33,799
Speaker 2: ballot Hall of Fame stuff, So maybe we keep him

995
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: off because of the the the steroids. But again, who's

996
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 2: you know, spider Man meme? What are we doing here?

997
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: All right?

998
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 2: What are we? What are we really doing here? Get

999
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: this guy in that? Yeah, if Codo has to wait

1000
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:48,239
Speaker 2: one year because the classes two stars studied, I get that.

1001
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: I mean you're talking about Floyd and Klitchko. But I

1002
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 2: think Tony should have been in already, Luke, I think

1003
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 2: it's just two years now he missed.

1004
00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 1: Are Well, who's the Argentines? Is Sergio Martinez? Right? Yes,

1005
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,520
Speaker 1: he's still competing, so I don't know if he's eligible.

1006
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: Is Cal's in?

1007
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 2: I believe he's already in.

1008
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, all right, I mean I don't have

1009
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 1: much to say about it, meaning the names are there's

1010
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 1: no one on the name. They didn't induct anybody who

1011
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:12,320
Speaker 1: was borderline you know. By the way, whatever happened to

1012
00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: the Layla Ali Clarissa Shields thing that just was a

1013
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: big thing for a while and then just died.

1014
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clarissa is now trying to get Jake Paul in

1015
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 2: the in the ring. No, by the way, do you

1016
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 2: get you get down for those uh those dancing videos

1017
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 2: with uh with Michelle Waterson and Holly Holm and John

1018
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: Jones and Clarissa Shields.

1019
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: Luke, it's did not look at.

1020
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: Them all right? Well, yeah it fell apart, but good

1021
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: to see the women get in as well, you know,

1022
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 2: I mean these are the pillars the Laila Ali's and

1023
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,879
Speaker 2: Wolf's Lucia Rikers, although these are the pillars of Christy

1024
00:46:41,960 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: Martin of what you know women's boxing was and is

1025
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: trying to be again. So h all good good to see. Also, uh,

1026
00:46:49,680 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 2: I lost my train of thought, f f Luke whatever

1027
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: I mean?

1028
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: All right? And then last, but well semi not not

1029
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: quite last, but pretty close to last, you interviewed Lennox Lewis,

1030
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: And the reason why you interviewed Lennox Lewis is there's

1031
00:47:02,600 --> 00:47:05,279
Speaker 1: a documentary coming out about him, and you had this

1032
00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: part of the conversation, and it was interesting your interview

1033
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: with him, which was, first of all, I did not

1034
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: know his name was Lennox, not Lenox.

1035
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,359
Speaker 2: But oh, can we stay right there real quick, Luke

1036
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:17,799
Speaker 2: is and I love Lenox Lewis, and I've been very

1037
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: open as I hated him throughout his whole career. I

1038
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,560
Speaker 2: hated him in the aftermath. I hated the start of

1039
00:47:22,560 --> 00:47:24,759
Speaker 2: his announcing career. I've grown to know the guy, and

1040
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,799
Speaker 2: God has his legacy aged like a fine wine. But Luke,

1041
00:47:29,160 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: is that an aust problem or a hymn problem if

1042
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 2: he's been in the public life for thirty to forty

1043
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 2: years and he's just now telling us we've been pronouncing

1044
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 2: his name wrong.

1045
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: Luke, I mean, I don't know. I don't know what

1046
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,719
Speaker 1: to say about that. It's one of those things where like, dude,

1047
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 1: once that's embedded, it's gonna be very hard. I mean,

1048
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,760
Speaker 1: you can, if you're Bernard Hopkins, you can maybe change

1049
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: nicknames or something, you know, late in life, like he did.

1050
00:47:52,280 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 1: But only the special few can do something like that.

1051
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:58,000
Speaker 1: And if it's a pronunciation issue, it just feels like

1052
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 1: even more of a problem. Yeah, yeah, I mean you're

1053
00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:02,600
Speaker 1: the biggest sounds weird.

1054
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 2: Look, you're the biggest TKB fan I've ever met, and

1055
00:48:05,640 --> 00:48:07,919
Speaker 2: you don't say adessin yall And I say well done

1056
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: on that.

1057
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I mean if he I mean, yeah, I

1058
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: guess I should. I don't know. I just don't. But

1059
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: it's not like it's not like I yeah, I don't know,

1060
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:16,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know the proper way to pronounce it,

1061
00:48:16,840 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: to be honest with, I mean, a bunch of other

1062
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: donks trying out their hand at it doesn't tell me.

1063
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: And you know what, they sound lame. They sound real

1064
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:23,040
Speaker 2: lame when they do it.

1065
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do sound like numbers. Okay. So with that

1066
00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: in mind, the documentary comes out and basically sort of

1067
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: sneakily tries to argue is this guy the best to

1068
00:48:31,680 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: ever do it? And the resume is pretty good, which

1069
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: is to say the following BC. Number one, he more

1070
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Speaker 1: or less fought the best of his generation. I think

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Speaker 1: it's pretty clear. Number two he does have two losses,

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Speaker 1: but he avenged them both, and when he avenged them both,

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Speaker 1: he did so in absolutely spectacular fashion. And you should

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Speaker 1: listen to some of the names that he has, of course,

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Speaker 1: Razor Ruddick, Frank Bruno, Tommy Morrison, Ray Mercer, He's got

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Speaker 1: Golatta on their Briggs holy Field, both two Rockman. The

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Speaker 1: one was one of his losses and he won emphatically

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Speaker 1: again Mike Tyson and then even beating vitally Klitchko. Now,

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Speaker 1: obviously there are some names on there that we wish

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Speaker 1: were and are not. However, BC, what do you make

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Speaker 1: first of, what's a documentary called? And secondly, how sympathetic

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Speaker 1: are you to this argument that he deserves consideration along

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Speaker 1: the lines of not just the best maybe of his generation,

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Speaker 1: but the best maybe ever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a fun argument. So let's break this down.

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Speaker 2: And I believe we have sound. Should we be throwing

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Speaker 2: to the sound now or no?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear some of that. PAS. Sorry, I didn't

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Speaker 1: set that up properly.

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Speaker 2: Every person I faced professionally, h Olympic. You are a

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Speaker 2: man of many nations, but I feel like for this

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00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: whole idea of this false American narrative, your resume since

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00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 2: your retirement in twenty two thousand and four, and your

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00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,200
Speaker 2: legacy it has aged. I don't know if you're a

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Speaker 2: red wine, guy Lennox, But it has aged like a

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00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,279
Speaker 2: fine wine. Is that because you just got out of

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Speaker 2: the way of it? And I don't see you on

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Speaker 2: TV debating I'm better than Tyson, I'm better than Joe Lewis,

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Speaker 2: I'm better than all lead. I just feel like you said,

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Speaker 2: I did it. It's right there. I beat every person

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Speaker 2: I faced professionally. What else do you want from me?

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Speaker 2: That's probably the best way to handle it. In the end.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I'm like fine wine. I get better in time.

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Speaker 3: That's the saying. And you know I've spoke it earlier.

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00:50:28,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: I've set the mark for others to follow or even

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Speaker 3: to pass, so I don't really have to say too much.

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Speaker 3: You know, good historians, people that know the sport, people

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Speaker 3: that have good boxing IQ you know, look back and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: he disposed to have been quite easily. But nowadays when

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Speaker 3: you see fighters try and get rid of other fighters,

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Speaker 3: it's like it's taking them a long time when I

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Speaker 3: did it in all.

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Speaker 1: Right, all right, see, let me let me tell you

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Speaker 1: what I think is interesting. But they can turn that off,

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Speaker 1: so I don't have to hear the reverb. Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Here's what's interesting to me and what makes his resume

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00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 1: really incredible as we know it. So it's a little

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00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 1: bit gsp like right, just the two losses and avenge

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00:51:13,400 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: them both. Basically fought everyone that he more or less could.

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Speaker 1: There's the bow fight that never happened, which I know

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Speaker 1: you like to I wonder what you make of that.

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Speaker 1: But here's what stands up to me. You see it,

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Speaker 1: And obviously I do not know this material as well

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Speaker 1: as you, but I was prepping for today and I

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Speaker 1: was going through his resume and I was watching some

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Speaker 1: old fights. What stands out is that, like he has

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Speaker 1: some decisions on there. That David Tua fight was a decision.

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Speaker 1: The second fight with holy Field was it was a decision.

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Speaker 1: He lost the first one via split, but like in

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Speaker 1: the case of.

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Speaker 2: The first one was a draw and the draw split draw.

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Speaker 1: Excuse me, I apologize. But the the the McCall fight

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00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 1: and then the Rockman fight, he lost the first of

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Speaker 1: those and then would come back and win them emphatically.

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Speaker 1: In fact, these are how he ended his last five

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Speaker 1: fights or something. KO Dave, David, excuse be this decision

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Speaker 1: to h He did lose to Rockmun, but then he

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Speaker 1: kaoed Rockmun in the fourth he kaoed Tyson in the

1139
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Speaker 1: eighth and then the end of his screer by ko

1140
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Speaker 1: and Klitchko. In the sixth. He also KOed Michael Grant,

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00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 1: he tkoed Francois both Up. He tko Shannon Briggs, he

1142
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: KOed in the first round, Andrew Golata. Dude, he put

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Speaker 1: the stamp on these guys, and many many times it

1144
00:52:21,840 --> 00:52:24,000
Speaker 1: was not very close. So those are to me the

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00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 1: competing things. There's a there's a fight or two that's missing.

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Speaker 1: But when he had him, dude, he really stuck it

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Speaker 1: to him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so here's let's let's break this down. So the

1149
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 2: documentary is called Lennox Lewis The Untold Story. It's a

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Speaker 2: It was on Crackle, it's now expanded streaming to pretty

1151
00:52:39,120 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 2: much everywhere. So that's where the setup for the interview comes.

1152
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 2: But I watched it and I gotta say, look, they

1153
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 2: got all the right footage. So if you're just in

1154
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 2: it for the nineties nostalgic deep dive, it is well

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00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 2: worth your time to watch. And it's got Jim Lampley,

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00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,960
Speaker 2: it's got all the voices that you would want doctor

1157
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: Dre narrating it. But where I was excited to see

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Speaker 2: Luke was. Look, we've done him wrong. As an American

1159
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 2: boxing fans, like I cannot stress enough. It's just the

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Speaker 2: way where we were in the nineties. I hated the

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Speaker 2: shit out of Lenox Lewis. Okay, he's a guy who

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Speaker 2: had no country right, He's Jamaican. He was born in England,

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Speaker 2: but he grew up in Canada where he won a

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Speaker 2: gold medal, and then he came back to England. He's

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Speaker 2: always was sort of the outsider. He had effeminate voice,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't a big trash talker, and he either destroyed

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Speaker 2: my American heroes or didn't end up fighting them. And look,

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Speaker 2: I mean to tell you how much I hated Lennox

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Speaker 2: Lewis when I got into Like the U. When I

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Speaker 2: got into Like the Boxing DVD trade game in the

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Speaker 2: early two thousands, the first DVDs I went out there

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Speaker 2: and bought was his knockout loss to McCall and his

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Speaker 2: knockout loss to Rockman. Look, I hated the shit out

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Speaker 2: of this guy. We did him so wrong that I

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Speaker 2: not only wanted to have this discussion on the fact

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Speaker 2: that his resume has just really aged so well, but

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Speaker 2: this movie I wanted to hear his side of the

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Speaker 2: things We've always heard a very American take on what

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Speaker 2: made Lenox take Larry Merchant getting in his face and

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Speaker 2: inner views in criticizing him after wins and all that.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Lennox is above criticism, but I'm

1182
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: also saying, what else would this guy have had to

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00:54:08,360 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 2: done to do it for us to give him the

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Speaker 2: respect we missed it. I like that the documentary takes

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00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 2: very sharp takes on things. I mean, it's it. They

1186
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 2: lam bassed Don King and call him a cheater, and

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00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 2: they really just come out there and give you Lennox's

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00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,520
Speaker 2: take on some things. And while the doc tries to

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Speaker 2: make you believe he's got a case for the Goat

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Speaker 2: being the greatest of heavyweight of all time, I'm telling you,

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Speaker 2: when you come out of there and you look back

1192
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,000
Speaker 2: like you did watch some tape, look at the resume.

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00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: Here's the deal. He operated in the second greatest era

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Speaker 2: of heavyweight boxing of all time. The greatest was the

1195
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,920
Speaker 2: nineteen seventies with prime foreman Ali Frasier nor in whatever

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00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:50,399
Speaker 2: the nineties were, insane, Mike Tyson, Riddick, Bow, Lennox, Lewis

1197
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Speaker 2: George Foreman, Michael Moore, Evander Holyfield, I mean on and on.

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Speaker 2: I mean the second tier guys that you had to beat,

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Speaker 2: like a Ray Mercer. Go revisit Ray Mercer, Lennx Lewis

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Speaker 2: Fro nineteen ninety six, good guy, that was a war.

1201
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,000
Speaker 2: Those second tier guys you had to beat would be

1202
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,480
Speaker 2: champions today. Frank Bruno, those type of guys. Let's just

1203
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 2: say that. Here's what he did. He knocked out Mike

1204
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 2: Tyson okay late in their careers, but they finally made

1205
00:55:11,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 2: it happen. Riddick Bow put the title in the trash

1206
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: can Luke to avoid fighting him right at every turn,

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Speaker 2: even though Lennox knocked out Ridick Bow in the eighty

1208
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 2: eight Olympics in the gold medal game, so that showed

1209
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 2: as showed you who was the better fighter there. He

1210
00:55:26,160 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 2: beat Holyfield twice. First he got screwed on a draw, second,

1211
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Speaker 2: beat him again to unify and become the undisputed champion.

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Speaker 2: He knocked out all those other donks you mentioned. He

1213
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Speaker 2: even caught Philip Battali Klitschko in a war in his

1214
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 2: last fight. And although maybe there's the piece of criticism

1215
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 2: you want to give him that he never ran that

1216
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,400
Speaker 2: fight back. But he was old and he was on

1217
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: the way out and he knew it. So he preserved

1218
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Speaker 2: his legacy for what it was. Two losses, avenged them

1219
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 2: both by knockout, and beat every single person. The only

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Speaker 2: other big name he didn't fight was George Foreman, who

1221
00:55:54,760 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 2: very openly said a million times back then, I don't

1222
00:55:57,200 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 2: want anything to do with this guy. Why because he

1223
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 2: says six vote five power puncher who can also really box.

1224
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:06,439
Speaker 2: So here's where the argument comes in and goat placement here, Luke,

1225
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: I've been ranking top ten boxers in history in different

1226
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 2: forms for like a decade, right, whether it's at ESPN

1227
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:15,239
Speaker 2: or CBS, it always comes up, who's your top ten heavyweights?

1228
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Speaker 2: Like everybody else, it's like you either have Ali one

1229
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Speaker 2: or Joe Lewis one, or you have the other one

1230
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:23,839
Speaker 2: at two. But Lenox always floats in that three, four, five,

1231
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Speaker 2: six area with like a with like a uh you know,

1232
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Speaker 2: all all the name all the names that are right there,

1233
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 2: like the George Foreman's the uh whatever. So but when

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00:56:34,360 --> 00:56:38,560
Speaker 2: you think about this, Luke, is he no worse than

1235
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Speaker 2: three all time? And if you're not gonna be the

1236
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 2: kind of guy who can compares eras and compares what

1237
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Speaker 2: he did even though he operated in such a filthy

1238
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Speaker 2: deep division in time and dominated. How about this argument.

1239
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: How about the argument on on their best night? How

1240
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,759
Speaker 2: about the argument on the mythical matchup? In your head,

1241
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Speaker 2: this is where I think lenox Is Lewis Legacy really

1242
00:56:58,160 --> 00:57:01,319
Speaker 2: takes the uh, takes the cake. And you match him

1243
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Speaker 2: up against any of those guys historically six foot five,

1244
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,360
Speaker 2: knockout puncher and finish her with both hands, and he

1245
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: can really box under Peppy Correa and then Emmanuel Stewart,

1246
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 2: and yeah, he got starched twice, although they kind of

1247
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: screwed him in the first one against Oliver McCall by

1248
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 2: just waving the fight off. He could also fight and

1249
00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:22,280
Speaker 2: take a punch when he had to tell me a fighter,

1250
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 2: tell me a heavyweight in history, you're gonna favor over him, Luke.

1251
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 2: I think that's the real juicy part of this argument.

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Speaker 1: Would have loved to have seen a prime foreman, you know,

1253
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 1: given what he was capable of doing with not really

1254
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 1: power punching, but you know he somewhat underrated as a

1255
00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 1: long fight tactician, which you know, it was hilarious to say,

1256
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: given the rope dupe strategy, but in general there has

1257
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: been times, especially late in his career, he was able

1258
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: to really manufacture a longer strategy like that. That's one.

1259
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 1: Obviously the Ali fight would be kind of interesting to note.

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Speaker 1: I mean, here's the one for me though, BC. Could

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Speaker 1: I imagine him losing to either of those guys? Sure?

1262
00:57:55,720 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: Can you imagine them beating him twice? See that's the

1263
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: part where you're like, no, I don't think I can could.

1264
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:02,520
Speaker 1: In fact, and in MMA we go through this all

1265
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 1: the time. There's a trilogy. Typically the one who wins

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00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: the second one wins the third because it sort of

1267
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: accounts for potentially an error being there. And while you

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00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:12,600
Speaker 1: have a third fight all the way to begin with,

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time believing for all the reasons

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00:58:16,520 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: you laid out, from his athletic skill to his boxing IQ,

1271
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:25,919
Speaker 1: to his athletic sort of size and prowess, I don't

1272
00:58:25,960 --> 00:58:28,320
Speaker 1: think I could imagine those guys beating him twice. And

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00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,560
Speaker 1: so for those reasons you say to yourself, well, shit,

1274
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,520
Speaker 1: now where are we with this? So did he do

1275
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 1: enough relative to the foremans in the Alis? In terms

1276
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 1: of the overall resume? People know who know better than

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Speaker 1: me can debate that. But I will tell you based

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00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 1: on what the tape shows for me. From what I

1279
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:48,360
Speaker 1: little I know, I will just say I don't know

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00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,920
Speaker 1: who you could point to in history and say that guy, clearly,

1281
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, could beat Lennox twice. I don't

1282
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 1: know who that is.

1283
00:58:55,120 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, And am I over correcting because of how badly

1284
00:58:58,160 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 2: we sort of shit on him? And he said it

1285
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:02,760
Speaker 2: interview It's worth a watch, of course, where you know,

1286
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: for years even the American press was trying to question

1287
00:59:06,360 --> 00:59:08,640
Speaker 2: his sexuality and just really trying to take any shots

1288
00:59:08,680 --> 00:59:10,760
Speaker 2: they could out him Luke, Yet in the ring God

1289
00:59:10,800 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: he always backed it up. So he's probably never gonna

1290
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 2: jump Ali on your list out of sentimentality and sort

1291
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: of everything Ali accomplished culturally and obviously always taking on

1292
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: the toughest challenges and finding ways to win. And maybe

1293
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 2: you don't jump Joe Lewis because of so much of

1294
00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:25,600
Speaker 2: the impact and the title defenses and all that, but

1295
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: he operated in as tough an era as you can have.

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00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:31,840
Speaker 2: He emphatically finished people and a lot of those in

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00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,120
Speaker 2: between title defense. I mean, he fought a prime dangerous

1298
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,080
Speaker 2: David Tua and stayed out of trouble and us his

1299
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:39,959
Speaker 2: jab and out pointed him. I mean, it's a great

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: resume and he never stained it, Luke.

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Speaker 1: So while look, the other problem is like they do

1302
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: have similar opponents, but you know, Foreman fought him when

1303
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 1: he was in his forties. Like Foreman lost to Evander,

1304
00:59:50,840 --> 00:59:55,120
Speaker 1: Foreman lost to Tony. Foreman lost to jams with Tommy Morrison.

1305
00:59:55,120 --> 00:59:57,960
Speaker 1: I should say he lost to Shannon Briggs. Well, you know,

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00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: Lennox beat all of them, but you know, by the

1307
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: time he lost the Briggs big Foreman was forty eight

1308
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: years old. So it's just it's not the same comparison.

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01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: So it's just it's just it's hard to compare. But

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Speaker 1: I will stick with my Maybe you could beat him once,

1311
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 1: but you couldn't beat him twice argument.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I mean he's maybe the perfect prototype

1313
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 2: well rounded heavyweight. It's like, you know, there's some elements

1314
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: of that in Anthony Joshua, but he probably doesn't have

1315
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 2: the chan of recuperative ability or really the mental bounce back.

1316
01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: And that's a big thing, Luke to get starch twice

1317
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:31,000
Speaker 2: like Lenox did, but then rebuild himself and come back

1318
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: as confidently and in fact come back better. That's where

1319
01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 2: you don't see it, and that's maybe what separates him.

1320
01:00:37,680 --> 01:00:39,720
Speaker 2: Got all the tools and he delivered. So shout out

1321
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:42,439
Speaker 2: to Lennox Lewis. It's a fun chat in there with him, Luke.

1322
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,440
Speaker 2: I did ask him, you know, look, Mike Tyson's back

1323
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 2: in his fifties. There's a lot of money to be made.

1324
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 2: What about Lennox Lewis at fifty five? And his big

1325
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 2: quote was, you know, I've got unfinished business. But he

1326
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:56,000
Speaker 2: wouldn't he wouldn't link to who, Luke. He's one of

1327
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:58,880
Speaker 2: those guys that has done the thing that's hard to do,

1328
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 2: walk away at a certain point when you're on top,

1329
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:05,360
Speaker 2: retire with the title and then never come back for

1330
01:01:05,680 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: money grabs or a loss that could stain you know whatever.

1331
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,360
Speaker 2: If his unfinished business is Riddick Bowen an old guy

1332
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 2: fight please no, please, no, we don't need that. But

1333
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:19,040
Speaker 2: could you get into him and Tyson again? No, and

1334
01:01:19,240 --> 01:01:20,960
Speaker 2: this old guy thing we're doing.

1335
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:24,080
Speaker 1: No, I'm not the consumer for that. Let me make

1336
01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 1: two points so here we see, wonder what you make

1337
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 1: of them very quickly. Well, the first one is not controversial,

1338
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: which is sometimes you'll see an athlete whose life is

1339
01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: so big they have to have a separate entry for

1340
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: all their athletic accomplishments and then for the rest of

1341
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 1: their life, you know, for in Wikipedia, for example, So

1342
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:41,880
Speaker 1: Muhammad Ali has just one entry for his life. Lennox Lewis,

1343
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:43,400
Speaker 1: even in your interview, kind of alluded to the fact

1344
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,000
Speaker 1: that he didn't want his life being bigger than his boxing,

1345
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: wanted his boxing and his public life anyway, to be

1346
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 1: the only life that you knew of. So he's gonna

1347
01:01:50,680 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: be hard to compare the two there, I think on

1348
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 1: those grounds. But what do you make of my GSP comparison? Now?

1349
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,320
Speaker 1: GSP was very much celebrated and adored in his time

1350
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: for a lot of reason, and the comparison totally falls apart.

1351
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: But in the sense of now that we're rethinking his resume,

1352
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:06,920
Speaker 1: we're thinking about where he falls, and you got to

1353
01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 1: maybe three, maybe even a little b higher than that,

1354
01:02:08,640 --> 01:02:11,080
Speaker 1: depending on how generous you want to be. He only

1355
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 1: lost twice. He thought the best of his generation. In

1356
01:02:13,760 --> 01:02:16,720
Speaker 1: the times that he did lose, Just like GSP, he

1357
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,080
Speaker 1: got his revenge and then some there are some parallels there.

1358
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 2: Huh, Yeah, there really is there really is that that

1359
01:02:23,360 --> 01:02:27,320
Speaker 2: is an apt comparison in many ways, and really it's

1360
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 2: a professionalism and protection of what you've accomplished and built.

1361
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,480
Speaker 2: You know, again, it's so easy in boxing to come

1362
01:02:33,560 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: back in all kinds of forms, of shady comebacks that

1363
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:39,520
Speaker 2: can only really hurt what you've done. It's so rare

1364
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:41,960
Speaker 2: for everyweight champion to walk away with the title and

1365
01:02:42,080 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 2: be like I'm done and I'm fine with that. And

1366
01:02:43,600 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 2: then again, I know, and it was part of my

1367
01:02:45,360 --> 01:02:47,400
Speaker 2: argument back then when I hated this guy that I

1368
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: wanted him to rematch or of Batali clits Go. I

1369
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 2: wanted him to fight Vlad at that point when he

1370
01:02:52,800 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: was you know, pushing forty meaning Lennox, but he decided

1371
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: to walk away. But the whole idea of Luke about

1372
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: I mean, the GESP comparison a certainly app but the

1373
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: whole idea about these mythical matchups. Yeah, Ali would always

1374
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,680
Speaker 2: be a tough fight for him, but he's just so

1375
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: well rounded that in any other sort of matchup, I'm

1376
01:03:11,560 --> 01:03:13,160
Speaker 2: just gonna favor that he can box if he has

1377
01:03:13,320 --> 01:03:15,440
Speaker 2: to go, be a power puncher if he needs to,

1378
01:03:15,600 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 2: or be both. I think the only wild card in

1379
01:03:17,640 --> 01:03:22,160
Speaker 2: this discussion because look, as the generations go on, boxing's

1380
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: the only sport that people somehow get worse, right, because

1381
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 2: we don't have a boxing gym on every corner like

1382
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:28,560
Speaker 2: we did forty fifty years ago, where people just grew

1383
01:03:28,640 --> 01:03:30,880
Speaker 2: up with it. Box The ability of the top fighters,

1384
01:03:30,960 --> 01:03:33,360
Speaker 2: especially a heavyweight, seem to get worse as we go

1385
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 2: on into the modern time. Yet to offset that, Luke,

1386
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,120
Speaker 2: we are in this super heavyweight era where you know,

1387
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:42,520
Speaker 2: Rocky Marciano had five foot eleven, one hundred and ninety

1388
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 2: five pounds, just isn't going to match up with Anthony

1389
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 2: Joshua in your head, right, it just doesn't make any sense.

1390
01:03:47,800 --> 01:03:51,320
Speaker 2: It's two way classes apart. That's where the Tyson Fury

1391
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 2: part of this debate comes in. Tyson Fury is the

1392
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: heavyweight of this era. He's great. I'm not saying he

1393
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 2: has an a plus plus chin where I like him

1394
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 2: in there against all the destroyers and in his but

1395
01:04:00,800 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 2: he's six foot nine, he's quick, he knows how to

1396
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 2: box and use distance. That could be the wildcard, toughest

1397
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 2: matchup for Lennox Lewis and this mythical thing in our Headlook, no.

1398
01:04:09,800 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 1: Doubt about it. I was thinking about that too. Wilder

1399
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:14,600
Speaker 1: not so much, Joshua even not so much because of

1400
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:19,280
Speaker 1: the punching power of Lennox Lewis, but Tyson Fury, he's

1401
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,080
Speaker 1: he's a handful. He's a complete handful for a lot

1402
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: of different reasons six ' nine. But even then, you know,

1403
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: prime Lennox Lewis, you might like him to find a

1404
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: way again. You might beat him once. Could you do

1405
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: it twice? See, I don't know about that. That's that's

1406
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,240
Speaker 1: really one of those things that's gonna be very, very

1407
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: hard to imagine. But we'll have to see what happens

1408
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: with it in the end. It is it is. You know,

1409
01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:41,520
Speaker 1: the media always has its darlings, especially American ones, where

1410
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:45,000
Speaker 1: Ali was. He was revered eventually, and he was a

1411
01:04:45,120 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: Titan of the twentieth century because he fought along the

1412
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 1: culture war lines. But he had this life that everyone

1413
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: kind of cared about. And George Foreman was sort of

1414
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,760
Speaker 1: like what America's dad, you know, with the Foreman girl.

1415
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,400
Speaker 1: That was postfighting to a large degree, but you know,

1416
01:04:57,520 --> 01:05:02,560
Speaker 1: he was sort of he captured the public's imagination. Lennox

1417
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,560
Speaker 1: Lewis was never that guy, and that will impede the

1418
01:05:05,640 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: way in which you view what he did. And now

1419
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: that some of those feelings are behind us, I think

1420
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,120
Speaker 1: you can more soberly assess it. And I think you're

1421
01:05:13,160 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: probably I think your hunch is probably a lot more

1422
01:05:15,440 --> 01:05:19,600
Speaker 1: correct than maybe you know, your initial reservations might give it.

1423
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:24,320
Speaker 1: I suspect that his level is very much undersold, and

1424
01:05:24,520 --> 01:05:26,960
Speaker 1: hopefully that this documentary and some for the consideration.

1425
01:05:27,080 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you made the GSP comparison. The modern

1426
01:05:30,120 --> 01:05:33,000
Speaker 2: equivalent in sports to me is like Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Like,

1427
01:05:33,320 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 2: if Kareem wasn't so hated Luke, he would probably be

1428
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:38,160
Speaker 2: the greatest player of all time on most people's lists,

1429
01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 2: along with you know, Jordan in a rising Lebron But like,

1430
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 2: we hated the shit out of it, unless you're a

1431
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 2: Lakers fan. You hated the shit out of especially old

1432
01:05:45,560 --> 01:05:48,520
Speaker 2: Kareem with the goggles and then the bald bastard and

1433
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:50,720
Speaker 2: yet that guy, I mean, what else would that guy

1434
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: have to do? Six NBA titles, you know, five or

1435
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:56,880
Speaker 2: six MVP awards And it's kind of lenox is kind

1436
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 2: of like that where once you get over that, as

1437
01:05:58,840 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 2: you mentioned, you can start to realize how great this

1438
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 2: guy was.

1439
01:06:02,120 --> 01:06:04,640
Speaker 1: I've always been a Bill Lambier fan. That's that's sort

1440
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 1: of my style of basketball.

1441
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,240
Speaker 2: You are the Bill Lambier of combat sports media. You

1442
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 2: know that is true?

1443
01:06:09,160 --> 01:06:11,720
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe so I don't, but I don't tearing out

1444
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,400
Speaker 1: people's acls and start enough elbow in the back of

1445
01:06:15,440 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 1: the head fights. But okay, last, but not least, on

1446
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:21,480
Speaker 1: these topics, we see Mark Hunt is back and got jobbed.

1447
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 1: You see this fight six rounds against some donk I

1448
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: forget his name, and all of the scoring online was like, oh, yeah,

1449
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: Hunt has this easily, and uh, I don't think he did.

1450
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,400
Speaker 1: I think Mark Hunt actually ended up losing. Did you

1451
01:06:34,480 --> 01:06:36,280
Speaker 1: watch any of the fight or any of the highlights

1452
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: we see? I did so.

1453
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:40,400
Speaker 2: Mark Hunt was so look this Australian boxing card. And

1454
01:06:40,560 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 2: you know, when I used to have a dedicated weekly

1455
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 2: multiple times a week stated a combat boxing part, we

1456
01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 2: would purposely overblow these. Look because these midweek Australian super

1457
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,640
Speaker 2: Bowl cards are just fun. In this fight card, I

1458
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 2: had a lot of our listeners here at MK from

1459
01:06:54,440 --> 01:06:56,360
Speaker 2: down Under reaching out to me just being like, dude,

1460
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:58,840
Speaker 2: you gotta see this, this is your shit, and uh

1461
01:06:59,360 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: Mark Khn goes in there boxing a rugby player Luke

1462
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:04,920
Speaker 2: and Mark Hunt's got some weird tattoo on tatis at

1463
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,480
Speaker 2: the moment, and he loses a decision. Did you see, Luke,

1464
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:11,880
Speaker 2: the fake punch push that they had at the way

1465
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 2: in to try to draw interest to it, where Mark

1466
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: Hun with a smile on his face. I mean that

1467
01:07:16,040 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 2: was a little bit weird. Maybe you deserve the l

1468
01:07:19,040 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: in this case if you're gonna get involved in this.

1469
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,280
Speaker 2: But Luke, I don't know if we have rights to

1470
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 2: this video, so we're not going to show it. But

1471
01:07:25,080 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: Timmy Zoo, son of the great Hall of Famer Kastah

1472
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 2: who stopped Jeff Horn, was in the main event of

1473
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:34,280
Speaker 2: this one, and I can't wait for Mondays. Have you

1474
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:37,800
Speaker 2: seen this shit? Because he sent that dude to hell

1475
01:07:38,080 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 2: in round one with a right hand. I mean he

1476
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:43,000
Speaker 2: hit him and the body just exploded and went halfway

1477
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 2: across the ring. So I don't know the quality of

1478
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:48,440
Speaker 2: his opponent, but I've told you already I am on

1479
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:51,400
Speaker 2: the Tim Zoo train until I see him lose to

1480
01:07:51,400 --> 01:07:53,880
Speaker 2: an elite one fifty four, I'm going to believe that

1481
01:07:53,960 --> 01:07:56,080
Speaker 2: he can be a player worldwide. This is gonna be

1482
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 2: a fun ride, So shout out to him in the

1483
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:01,120
Speaker 2: main event, But that Mark Hunting looks sloppy. I don't

1484
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: need it. Look, I don't need it in my life.

1485
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,520
Speaker 1: And the scores looked absurd, which is putting it mildly.

1486
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,360
Speaker 1: They had him by the way. I mean he nearly

1487
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 1: knocked him out, but it was fifty eight fifty six,

1488
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,760
Speaker 1: fifty fifty six and then fifty nine fifty five, meaning

1489
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 1: he won all but one round, which is comical. The

1490
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,200
Speaker 1: other part about it is DoD I mean, how distinct

1491
01:08:17,320 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: is this from you know, what you're seeing between Jake

1492
01:08:20,240 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 1: Paul and Nate Robinson. I mean, in the case of

1493
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,120
Speaker 1: these two, they are legitimate athletes, but they're long in

1494
01:08:25,200 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 1: the tooth. Gallin is a former national or a rugby

1495
01:08:30,120 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 1: league player, and you know, now they're sitting there boxing

1496
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:35,559
Speaker 1: in like these number boxing events, and then he called

1497
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 1: out Robert Whitaker, and it's like no, just no. People

1498
01:08:45,280 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 1: will watch the low end of combat sports. People love it.

1499
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: Oh they love it. They love it so much. What

1500
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 1: are you gonna do?

1501
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,040
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him fight that Kroc who took

1502
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,559
Speaker 2: out Steve Irwin, right, get revenge for the Great Nation.

1503
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:59,360
Speaker 2: Of Australia.

1504
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: Right, all right, with that, we have our major topic

1505
01:09:01,840 --> 01:09:03,479
Speaker 1: till the weekend, sir, watch to come on.

1506
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:05,439
Speaker 2: You can't no sell that joke.

1507
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 1: Come on, I'm gonna no sell all of your jokes

1508
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 1: today just to spite you. No, we got to move along.

1509
01:09:10,840 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: It's twelve to twelve.

1510
01:09:11,520 --> 01:09:14,880
Speaker 2: Come on, all right, Hey, here's the segment we do

1511
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 2: every Wednesday sometimes Luke uh no Jay today and it's

1512
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 2: s j W the Honorable Luke Vader Ginsburg sitting in

1513
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 2: with us the judge to look at the week that

1514
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 2: was in Twitter beasts. Luke, and we will come back

1515
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,679
Speaker 2: into all things Paul Bross as Jake Paul not only

1516
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 2: trolled Coddor McGregor and Dylan Danis in weird videos that

1517
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: we showed the openers, he's now drawing Nate Diaz into it.

1518
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,599
Speaker 2: So this was the Jake Paul video we talked about

1519
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 2: earlier where he called yeah, he said a lot of

1520
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:51,280
Speaker 2: weird things and he went after it. In response to this, though,

1521
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 2: what is Nate Diaz doing caring about this? Can we

1522
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:57,080
Speaker 2: put up that's wet You've been offered, but you're scared

1523
01:09:57,120 --> 01:09:59,479
Speaker 2: to fight me. Connor, You're done because you don't want

1524
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 2: to lose to a out of pocket Luke with a fist,

1525
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,320
Speaker 2: and then he went on to tweet Jake Paul, you

1526
01:10:05,479 --> 01:10:08,200
Speaker 2: need your ass beat for free. You spoiled f You

1527
01:10:08,320 --> 01:10:10,760
Speaker 2: can't really fight, dumb shit. You're gonna end up with

1528
01:10:10,800 --> 01:10:14,600
Speaker 2: your ass whooped for real somewhere talking like that, Luke, I.

1529
01:10:14,720 --> 01:10:17,600
Speaker 1: Know you're not on the screen for reasons that I

1530
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: can't possibly comprehend. You got double Luke, there can I

1531
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 1: can you hear me? I can hear you. I can

1532
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 1: hear you. You just know where to be seen.

1533
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:27,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not a big deal.

1534
01:10:28,120 --> 01:10:30,160
Speaker 1: You're like you could eat you. You're like Jeffrey Tube

1535
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,320
Speaker 1: and you can start masturbating.

1536
01:10:34,600 --> 01:10:38,840
Speaker 2: Uh, Luke. My point is this, Jake Paul responded with

1537
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:41,240
Speaker 2: you you saw what happened to the other Nate meaning

1538
01:10:41,320 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 2: Nate Robinson. Look, I know that Diaz brothers live in

1539
01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:48,800
Speaker 2: this alternate universe of you know, uh two o nine

1540
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,600
Speaker 2: and slapping shit, and I'm not surprised that effort. So like,

1541
01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:56,000
Speaker 2: in some ways they're not above this, but shouldn't they

1542
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,280
Speaker 2: be cooler than this to get involved with these guys?

1543
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 2: What is Nate Diaz doing trying to learn what.

1544
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: I mean, dude, in MMA fighters in general, you know,

1545
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:05,759
Speaker 1: it's not just about name, but it's like so common

1546
01:11:05,800 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 1: across the board. They operate on like they don't have

1547
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,160
Speaker 1: a dignity culture. They have an honor culture, and like

1548
01:11:11,240 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 1: what's the difference, right, I'm this is real, Like a

1549
01:11:13,800 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: dignity culture, like it doesn't matter what you say, I

1550
01:11:15,960 --> 01:11:19,080
Speaker 1: retain my dignity. But in an honor culture, if somebody

1551
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 1: insults you or says something insulting, they can take it

1552
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: from you, which means you have to go get it back.

1553
01:11:23,960 --> 01:11:26,360
Speaker 1: But dude, that's like, you know, I'll see you on

1554
01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: the OK Corral at noon and we'll draw swords and

1555
01:11:29,479 --> 01:11:32,000
Speaker 1: shit or you know, pistols or whatever. It's kind of

1556
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:34,559
Speaker 1: a primitive society and that's how they operate. They operate

1557
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,800
Speaker 1: on those like primitive notions about what it means to

1558
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:41,959
Speaker 1: have dignity, uh, and self worth and value in society

1559
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,559
Speaker 1: and so all you got to beat this by these trolls.

1560
01:11:44,600 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: It's like so fucking easy. It's we don't do it

1561
01:11:47,200 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 1: because we have to see these guys and they could

1562
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:51,080
Speaker 1: choke us half to death if they wanted to. But

1563
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:52,639
Speaker 1: if you're one of these other dogs and you don't

1564
01:11:52,640 --> 01:11:55,280
Speaker 1: ever have to see them. You can say wild shit

1565
01:11:55,479 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 1: and they will and it works. It's dumb, but it works.

1566
01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:02,560
Speaker 2: Is is this Nate though, waking up, opening up his

1567
01:12:02,680 --> 01:12:05,840
Speaker 2: Twitter account, seeing that Jake's trying to get himself linked

1568
01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:10,000
Speaker 2: with Connor, Nate thinking that's my money fight, that's my trilogy,

1569
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:12,760
Speaker 2: and then basically is this hits him saying Jake Paul,

1570
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:14,920
Speaker 2: you you're taking everything I worked for.

1571
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: This is the post Michael Johnson's speech. No, this is

1572
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: this is Nate just out there. I suspect anyway, this

1573
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:27,720
Speaker 1: is Nate just out there being like, hey, you know

1574
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: on site you have seen those ones and they not Nate,

1575
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:34,439
Speaker 1: but some other ones will misspell on meula.

1576
01:12:34,680 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah please, Well it didn't and it didn't end here,

1577
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:41,880
Speaker 2: as Nate brings in Logan Paul by saying, at Logan Paul,

1578
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 2: check this little ho before someone does wow, wow Luke

1579
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: uh Jake Paul then dropped a video that says, uh,

1580
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:55,000
Speaker 2: I at Nate Diaz, I already beat your boy up,

1581
01:12:55,120 --> 01:12:57,920
Speaker 2: come get your man's then you can get the smoke too.

1582
01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,360
Speaker 2: I'm not sure if he's talking about this. Why are

1583
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 2: they are they really? What is the Is this the

1584
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:04,880
Speaker 2: living room of a men, Luke, what world do we

1585
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:05,479
Speaker 2: live in here?

1586
01:13:06,680 --> 01:13:08,640
Speaker 1: Yeah? I mean, and just look at how bad this is.

1587
01:13:11,000 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 2: Ah, then Jake eds, uh so, who is this boy

1588
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 2: that he beat up? I really beat your boy up?

1589
01:13:17,200 --> 01:13:19,479
Speaker 1: What is this? In reference to who is? I don't know?

1590
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:21,599
Speaker 1: Who knows?

1591
01:13:22,200 --> 01:13:23,320
Speaker 2: Did he fight his weed dealer?

1592
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:23,680
Speaker 1: I mean? What?

1593
01:13:23,840 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 2: What?

1594
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:24,920
Speaker 1: Luke?

1595
01:13:24,960 --> 01:13:25,720
Speaker 2: Where? Where has?

1596
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:28,200
Speaker 1: It's like? I beat up your who is it?

1597
01:13:28,360 --> 01:13:28,400
Speaker 3: Was?

1598
01:13:28,439 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: It is that a j AGAs arm?

1599
01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:37,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. Oh, I know a m Yeah it's

1600
01:13:38,439 --> 01:13:40,880
Speaker 2: I know that this show doesn't have the best reputation

1601
01:13:41,040 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 2: of being, you know with They're saying Walter Cronkite ship Luke, Okay,

1602
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:47,840
Speaker 2: we are. We do talk about bulging packages. But this

1603
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:50,920
Speaker 2: moment right here, I feel we've done enough to know

1604
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:51,720
Speaker 2: we've done too much.

1605
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:55,280
Speaker 1: Okay, Luke, hold on? He beat up a m is

1606
01:13:55,439 --> 01:14:01,080
Speaker 1: legitimate at least was world class black belt and even

1607
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: wrestled collegiately at a pretty high level.

1608
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:07,800
Speaker 2: And yeah, but his boxing game in the living room

1609
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:09,960
Speaker 2: of a mansion. If you boxed me in the four

1610
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: yer of my mansion, though I got home home field advantage, you.

1611
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:16,000
Speaker 1: Know, well, he went to bellator and it's not gone

1612
01:14:16,200 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: necessarily to plan. So I don't really know if he's

1613
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:21,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what the state of his ability is.

1614
01:14:22,240 --> 01:14:24,519
Speaker 1: But if that's him getting worked over by Jake Paul,

1615
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,639
Speaker 1: then you know, just the world seass to makes sense.

1616
01:14:28,880 --> 01:14:30,760
Speaker 2: Well, dude, I'm sorry you don't want to give them

1617
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 2: any credit. They're big boys, though, these Paul brothers, and

1618
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:37,639
Speaker 2: they seem to be decently athletic for yes, the average citizen.

1619
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:40,599
Speaker 1: So even though the guy like, listen, the whole gimmick

1620
01:14:40,720 --> 01:14:44,400
Speaker 1: works on being underestimated. I get that right, because you're like, oh,

1621
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 1: Nate Robinson, Well, Nate Robinson was like a real athlete,

1622
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: and surely he must so they've got skills relative to

1623
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:55,760
Speaker 1: their lowest expectations. Okay, And that sounds like I'm still

1624
01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: not giving him credit, but I am right, because the

1625
01:14:57,760 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 1: gimmick works by being underestimated and then he goes there

1626
01:15:00,120 --> 01:15:02,800
Speaker 1: sleeps Nate Robinson like it was nothing. They are not

1627
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: total dummies, far from it, But you want me to

1628
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 1: take it seriously, you got to do something serious and

1629
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 1: beating up people who aren't boxers. It doesn't mean you

1630
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:14,240
Speaker 1: don't have any ability, but you don't have any ability

1631
01:15:14,280 --> 01:15:17,080
Speaker 1: worth celebrating. You can go make money off of it,

1632
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna take it seriously until you do

1633
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:22,080
Speaker 1: something worth taking seriously, and that's not worth being taken seriously.

1634
01:15:22,920 --> 01:15:25,400
Speaker 2: All right, Louke, let's move on here. There's been a

1635
01:15:25,479 --> 01:15:28,759
Speaker 2: growing feud between Tony Ferguson and Manager of the Stars

1636
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,000
Speaker 2: Ali Abdalaziz. That it goes back to last week before

1637
01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:36,200
Speaker 2: the Olivera fight, where Ali accused Tony and his management

1638
01:15:36,240 --> 01:15:39,240
Speaker 2: team of trying to poach Justin Gagee. So after Tony

1639
01:15:39,479 --> 01:15:43,639
Speaker 2: lost to Olivera, Ali tweeted out black belt versus white belt.

1640
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: A few days later, Tony has responded, Luke, I said

1641
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: the same thing about you and Habib at two nine,

1642
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:53,240
Speaker 2: Ali with a rat color belt to match his persona

1643
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:58,599
Speaker 2: back was glued to the Matt bish is high level defense.

1644
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 2: I don't know as this English anymore. Look hashtag first

1645
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 2: line of defense.

1646
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: Alright, I said the same thing about you and team

1647
01:16:07,000 --> 01:16:09,200
Speaker 1: could be at UFC two oh nine, Ali with the

1648
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,519
Speaker 1: rat color belt to match his persona back was glued

1649
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 1: to the Matt vicious high level self defense.

1650
01:16:20,280 --> 01:16:22,600
Speaker 2: How far have we fallen? Well? Ali quote tweeted it

1651
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,960
Speaker 2: and said you are irrelevant. Now you can say whatever

1652
01:16:25,040 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 2: you want. Nobody cares. I wish you good retirement. Ali.

1653
01:16:29,320 --> 01:16:32,160
Speaker 1: Keep he still stop stop stop stop Now, Allie speaks

1654
01:16:32,200 --> 01:16:33,920
Speaker 1: English as a second language. I'm not gonna beat him

1655
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:38,960
Speaker 1: up too bad. But he wrote, he wrote, you are irrelevant. Yeah,

1656
01:16:39,200 --> 01:16:40,800
Speaker 1: give him a break here, luc all right, I'm giving

1657
01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,519
Speaker 1: him a break, all right. He speaks in the second language.

1658
01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: Believe me, my mom spoke a secondly. I understand. I'm

1659
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:49,680
Speaker 1: just saying, okay, Luke, please then al all right, all right.

1660
01:16:50,479 --> 01:16:53,839
Speaker 2: Ali comes back with You're lucky you lost because Habib

1661
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,519
Speaker 2: cripple you. You know it, and now the whole world

1662
01:16:57,680 --> 01:17:00,080
Speaker 2: knows it. Ali's got one more for him. Luke, you

1663
01:17:00,200 --> 01:17:04,000
Speaker 2: are now gatekeeper, young upcoming talent to beat your ass

1664
01:17:04,240 --> 01:17:06,840
Speaker 2: like Islam Maaka chev banodii USh and all these other

1665
01:17:07,120 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: Ali fighters.

1666
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:09,800
Speaker 1: Luke, Damn, that's hard, sir.

1667
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 2: Can you rule on this?

1668
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:15,599
Speaker 1: Who wins? I got a role in favor of Ali Again,

1669
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,439
Speaker 1: it's not so much who is truthful. We don't really

1670
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 1: know about Tony. And in fact I went through the

1671
01:17:20,360 --> 01:17:21,960
Speaker 1: footage on Tony. There were some things in there I

1672
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 1: did like about his defense later in the fight. That

1673
01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:26,320
Speaker 1: sounds a little weird, but it actually is kind of true.

1674
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:30,000
Speaker 1: But I'll say this in terms of like the narrative

1675
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:34,560
Speaker 1: and how his competitors have. I mean, Tony's weirdness and

1676
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,559
Speaker 1: stick it really works quite well when you can't make

1677
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 1: sense of it. But he just keeps winning. I said,

1678
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson's the only guy in MMA, in the world

1679
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,040
Speaker 1: history who could use alchemy to actually make gold, right,

1680
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,760
Speaker 1: he could actually do that. And you know when you lose,

1681
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:52,000
Speaker 1: and you lose twice quite badly, that magic begins to

1682
01:17:52,040 --> 01:17:54,280
Speaker 1: go away, especially at thirty six now thirty seven. Soon

1683
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:56,880
Speaker 1: you know the competitors are just going to be out

1684
01:17:56,920 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: there ripping him to shreds. And that's exactly what happened.

1685
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,720
Speaker 1: So you know, you could say what you want about Tony,

1686
01:18:03,720 --> 01:18:05,000
Speaker 1: you could say what you want about Ali, but I

1687
01:18:05,040 --> 01:18:07,439
Speaker 1: think Ali wins this exchange, unfortunately for Luca.

1688
01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 2: Back to real sports. Do you think Tony should move

1689
01:18:09,880 --> 01:18:10,800
Speaker 2: up to welterw.

1690
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,160
Speaker 1: No, I mean he could. He has the power to

1691
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 1: crack up there. The way cut is not the issue.

1692
01:18:15,479 --> 01:18:17,240
Speaker 1: He acknowledged he had a little bit of fire missing

1693
01:18:17,439 --> 01:18:18,560
Speaker 1: be you see, you know what I noticed in the

1694
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:21,599
Speaker 1: second and third round. In the first round, I think

1695
01:18:22,120 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: and I'll say even I did this a little bit.

1696
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,479
Speaker 1: I don't want to say he wasn't missing a step,

1697
01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:29,320
Speaker 1: because he even acknowledged he was missing a step. And

1698
01:18:29,360 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 1: did you notice even said the warm up didn't feel right.

1699
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 1: And I noticed how he wasn't doing this, and he

1700
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:36,680
Speaker 1: wasn't doing the level change as Buffer introduced him. You know,

1701
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,519
Speaker 1: there was something a little bit missing from the fire.

1702
01:18:38,600 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 1: But if you watch the second and it took it.

1703
01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,760
Speaker 1: The third rounds, he does get taken down because some

1704
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:45,599
Speaker 1: of the same mistakes he was making. Olavera just knew

1705
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:49,160
Speaker 1: exactly what to do. But on the ground, the choice

1706
01:18:49,200 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: to get stacked and go north south like that, it

1707
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:53,439
Speaker 1: actually kept him from being ground and pounded the whole time.

1708
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 1: He tried to lock up a quick dars. It wasn't

1709
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: very close, but he was at least like trying. He

1710
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,439
Speaker 1: almost got to his feet by coming around the back.

1711
01:19:00,600 --> 01:19:03,040
Speaker 1: It was just the Olivera caught it. Like the first

1712
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:05,280
Speaker 1: two rounds to me were dominant and the third round

1713
01:19:05,520 --> 01:19:07,839
Speaker 1: looked dominant, and I certainly he won it. I mean, Olivera,

1714
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: you know easy ten to nine, But I don't know, like, uh,

1715
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 1: I think you need to have concerns about where Tony

1716
01:19:14,040 --> 01:19:17,639
Speaker 1: was relative to his peak. I'm not ready to close

1717
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 1: the door on him, as this is the guy who

1718
01:19:19,320 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: can't fix necessarily what went wrong was a bad beating

1719
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: he took that the warm up didn't work. If if

1720
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 1: certain fighters we see say that they perform better without

1721
01:19:27,640 --> 01:19:29,679
Speaker 1: the crowd, you're gonna hear some fighters say they would

1722
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:31,280
Speaker 1: have performed better with one that I don't think that's

1723
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,639
Speaker 1: a crazy thought to make. I'm just pointing out people

1724
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,360
Speaker 1: are like, oh, he's irrelevant. Now, well, okay on Twitter,

1725
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 1: that sounds great and you'll win it for social justice Wednesdays.

1726
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:42,519
Speaker 1: I would be a little bit careful about closing the

1727
01:19:42,520 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 1: book on Tony Ferguson. I still think he's got a

1728
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:46,639
Speaker 1: little bit of lifelft in him, assuming he can round

1729
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 1: the corner to the problems that he's sort of currently

1730
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 1: currently facing with. But I don't think they're all together permanent.

1731
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 2: It's fair, It's very fair, sober point, Luke. I'll give

1732
01:19:55,080 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 2: you that credit. All right, Let's move on to fan

1733
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:02,160
Speaker 2: submissions of the week. Loub you know that we open

1734
01:20:02,280 --> 01:20:05,439
Speaker 2: up the email account Warning Combat at gmail dot com.

1735
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:07,760
Speaker 2: You can also DM me at any point on my

1736
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:12,040
Speaker 2: social channels sending your submissions. I promise not to tap,

1737
01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:14,240
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, Let's go with the first one. I

1738
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: wanted to tap on this picture because it's awkward as shit,

1739
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:20,120
Speaker 2: but I got sent it by three different ones of

1740
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,600
Speaker 2: our passionate listeners. Andrew Fisk and Dylan are two of

1741
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:26,559
Speaker 2: the guys in here, and one of them as a girlfriend,

1742
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,519
Speaker 2: and Emma Clair Doherty Doherty, they all send me this

1743
01:20:30,840 --> 01:20:34,000
Speaker 2: try tip on tip, Luke. It's awkward as crap. It

1744
01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:37,240
Speaker 2: makes me cringe, but shout out to their loyalty.

1745
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:49,719
Speaker 1: Who's making their deblator debut next month. Jesus Christ.

1746
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean the you know, three males can take their

1747
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 2: shirt off, put their hand through their fly.

1748
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,920
Speaker 1: And in a way, did they do this for us

1749
01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: or is this just a random shot of dudes doing things?

1750
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:04,280
Speaker 2: They did this for us, and they invaded my d

1751
01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:06,240
Speaker 2: ms and I respect game, okay.

1752
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: And when they when they blew each other after this,

1753
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 1: did they send you those pics and videos? So this

1754
01:21:16,760 --> 01:21:19,639
Speaker 1: is what have you seen that meme? How it started,

1755
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 1: how it's going.

1756
01:21:25,720 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, look, this is why they make crystal meth. Okay, Luke,

1757
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 2: let's get out of this.

1758
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 1: Okay. It's like I thought. It's like I thought, who

1759
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:35,640
Speaker 1: was the guy from Tiger King?

1760
01:21:35,760 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 2: What was his name?

1761
01:21:36,840 --> 01:21:40,120
Speaker 1: Joe Joe Exotics, Like I thought, is all these Joe

1762
01:21:40,160 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 1: Exotics new husbands? What happened here?

1763
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:46,799
Speaker 2: All right? Hey, shout out to Julian Valdez. Could be Julian,

1764
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 2: Not sure, but Luke, he has purchased the fine green

1765
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:53,160
Speaker 2: sweatshirt that that you often wear, and my wife has

1766
01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:55,320
Speaker 2: stolen from me. Looking good on, Julian.

1767
01:21:55,360 --> 01:21:59,799
Speaker 1: Shout great on Julian, and the metal signs a little dated, Julian,

1768
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:01,599
Speaker 1: but the sweatshirt is not good friend.

1769
01:22:02,280 --> 01:22:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, Julian, big time fan, I'm sure, Luke of Ramstein,

1770
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:10,240
Speaker 2: so shout out yeah, yeah, all right, shine, Yeah, that

1771
01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,519
Speaker 2: probably looks good under a trench coat. Luke. Let's go

1772
01:22:12,600 --> 01:22:16,759
Speaker 2: over to Andreas D. Thompson, who creates this meme comparing

1773
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,800
Speaker 2: Morning Combat to the world of Winnie the Pool, Luke,

1774
01:22:20,040 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 2: because you called me the Winnie the Pooh of conspirators, right,

1775
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:27,880
Speaker 2: so the the bubble above Winnie said, says, Luke, what

1776
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 2: do you say we touched tips this episode. I'm no

1777
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,920
Speaker 2: Roco Safreddi, but I think the fans want to see this.

1778
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:36,280
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you? Luke's response as e or is

1779
01:22:36,360 --> 01:22:38,600
Speaker 2: I can't. I have another job to get to, you

1780
01:22:38,840 --> 01:22:40,000
Speaker 2: uncultured swine.

1781
01:22:41,600 --> 01:22:44,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've never seen a conspiracy theorist as happy as you.

1782
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,599
Speaker 1: You're a happy guy. You know, it's a great thing

1783
01:22:46,640 --> 01:22:49,280
Speaker 1: to see. And yet you think, you know there's a

1784
01:22:50,120 --> 01:22:51,599
Speaker 1: well you know, I don't want to throw under the bus,

1785
01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:53,800
Speaker 1: but you have some weird conspiracy theories and you know,

1786
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:56,479
Speaker 1: normally those people are paranoid, angry.

1787
01:22:56,720 --> 01:22:56,920
Speaker 3: Not you.

1788
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:58,160
Speaker 1: You're all happy.

1789
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I've come terms, Luke. The Rothchilds are

1790
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,880
Speaker 2: here to stay. All right, Luke, we have another friend

1791
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: of Greek origin. His name is Tassos. He lives in Greece,

1792
01:23:07,640 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 2: and he created this Marilyn Monroe inspired MK meme Luke.

1793
01:23:14,600 --> 01:23:17,559
Speaker 2: Some like it hot, Nope, some like it Luke warm.

1794
01:23:17,800 --> 01:23:21,599
Speaker 2: And it's you in the Marilyn Monroe dress standing over

1795
01:23:21,760 --> 01:23:24,559
Speaker 2: the great as I check you out.

1796
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: That's awkward, Luke. Yeah. And your hand is also just

1797
01:23:28,840 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: you know, rubbing on all sorts of utterly despicable things.

1798
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:39,440
Speaker 2: All right, well, Luke, you mysteriously missed last week's episode

1799
01:23:39,479 --> 01:23:41,720
Speaker 2: in rashott Field In for you, Todd m has some

1800
01:23:41,960 --> 01:23:53,160
Speaker 2: insight about what you are actually doing. Luke, Okay, it's

1801
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,479
Speaker 2: set of Morning Combat. It's Morning Colonic and Luke, if

1802
01:23:56,520 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 2: you look at the oh of Mourning, that is definitely

1803
01:23:59,080 --> 01:24:05,200
Speaker 2: a sphincter that yeah, Luke, I will say this. And

1804
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 2: you know, our showtime colleague Brian Custer has always been

1805
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,599
Speaker 2: very up in front and saying, like, you know, get

1806
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:12,320
Speaker 2: your prostate checked. He had a scare with cancer and

1807
01:24:12,439 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, thank God he's been able to come out

1808
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,200
Speaker 2: on the other side. He looks great. He's fifty years old.

1809
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:21,040
Speaker 2: Me getting the prostate exam check on my fortieth check up, Luke,

1810
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:23,920
Speaker 2: was one of the darker days of my life. Yet

1811
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:27,720
Speaker 2: I would do that again right now on camera rather

1812
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: than have that Kavorkian lady tried to jam me up

1813
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:33,400
Speaker 2: my nose again like she did yesterday. Luke, what is

1814
01:24:33,479 --> 01:24:36,439
Speaker 2: it about your nasal passage and your brain and them

1815
01:24:36,520 --> 01:24:40,120
Speaker 2: sticking a plastic projectile that just makes me lose all

1816
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:41,160
Speaker 2: sort of manliness.

1817
01:24:41,240 --> 01:24:43,879
Speaker 1: And I had to go to the nose doctor yesterday

1818
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: and they didn't put a cotton swab at my nose,

1819
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: but they put a camera up there so they could

1820
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:51,560
Speaker 1: see all in it. It sucked. It's not awesome. It

1821
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,439
Speaker 1: does not feel It's not like it's super painful. It's

1822
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 1: more just it's unnerving.

1823
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:03,800
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I have My doctor is an Indian guy.

1824
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 2: We call him Doctor Ram and he always has the

1825
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:08,960
Speaker 2: best one liners Luke when it's my checkup time and

1826
01:25:08,960 --> 01:25:11,439
Speaker 2: I'm like, no prostate today. I did that once once

1827
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: a Decade's fine with me, and he's like, oh no,

1828
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that last time. I was hoping you

1829
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,720
Speaker 2: would say yes, and I guess he's trying to, you know,

1830
01:25:19,760 --> 01:25:20,439
Speaker 2: lighten the mood.

1831
01:25:20,560 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: Look, if you were going to go to medical school,

1832
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,519
Speaker 1: b see what kind of medical specialty would you get?

1833
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 1: Because how do you go? How do you go to

1834
01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:33,240
Speaker 1: medical school? And it's like, I'm gonna stick fingers in

1835
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,800
Speaker 1: the butts of men for the rest of my life

1836
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,280
Speaker 1: because that's what I want to do.

1837
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,960
Speaker 2: Well it pays well, Look it does pay well.

1838
01:25:41,080 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Okay, but about this. You could be a heart surgeon.

1839
01:25:43,760 --> 01:25:46,440
Speaker 1: You could be dude. A buddy of mine's a radiologist.

1840
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:51,439
Speaker 1: He makes stupid money. You can't believe how much money

1841
01:25:51,479 --> 01:25:53,559
Speaker 1: he makes. All you gotta do is look at fucking

1842
01:25:53,800 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: X rays. Fuck that. I would do that.

1843
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I want I want to I want to

1844
01:25:58,720 --> 01:26:02,680
Speaker 2: tickle prostates. Yeah, morning, kolonk in the house. Let's move

1845
01:26:02,720 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 2: on to the next one. Look, this comes from the

1846
01:26:04,439 --> 01:26:09,200
Speaker 2: Inconsolable Cat, who quotes and says, I painted these with

1847
01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:13,519
Speaker 2: ink and fingers and rags and colored in photoshop. Look,

1848
01:26:13,560 --> 01:26:14,480
Speaker 2: this is brilliant.

1849
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 1: It's pretty good. I look like Carl Marx.

1850
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 2: I look like I just ate a cake without hands,

1851
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 2: just put my face like right in it. Right.

1852
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: No, you know what you look like? You look like

1853
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,280
Speaker 1: Christian Bale in the scene from American Psycho when he's

1854
01:26:31,320 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 1: like banging that chicken there's like blood splattering everywhere or whatever.

1855
01:26:34,439 --> 01:26:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's very scary. Look, thank you for that image.

1856
01:26:37,200 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 2: All right, Wow, we have some very talented folks here.

1857
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:42,479
Speaker 2: Shout out to the Inconsolable Cat. This one.

1858
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:44,599
Speaker 1: I'm doing a bit, but it's quite good.

1859
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 2: All right, let's bring back tod M. He's been on

1860
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:49,040
Speaker 2: a rollt I mean, we talk about dick Alls, we

1861
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 2: talk about webscream. How about tot M with this? He

1862
01:26:54,479 --> 01:26:57,880
Speaker 2: he's he's got. He put up a tweet for Mario

1863
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:00,920
Speaker 2: but made it a fake tweet. The tweet says Uel

1864
01:27:01,000 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 2: Romero is headed to Bellatore, but Luke deeper down on

1865
01:27:05,360 --> 01:27:07,880
Speaker 2: the tweet he took some of the jokes you made

1866
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:11,120
Speaker 2: in last week's show. Schlumber McGee and Apple sauce fuck

1867
01:27:11,200 --> 01:27:16,719
Speaker 2: face have been cut from Bellatore, Schlubber, Trashpanda finger painting,

1868
01:27:16,760 --> 01:27:20,599
Speaker 2: Gorilla McGee is three and seven, Apple sauce pale grinch

1869
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,960
Speaker 2: mouth breather fuck faces two and nineteen. It's reference, Luke,

1870
01:27:24,040 --> 01:27:27,680
Speaker 2: to your uh, to your beloved fake fighters that you

1871
01:27:27,800 --> 01:27:30,640
Speaker 2: often mentioned here. And it's my face on top of

1872
01:27:30,760 --> 01:27:34,280
Speaker 2: Apple sauce McGee, I think, and you on top of

1873
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:39,040
Speaker 2: schlubber McGee, apple sauce fuck face whatever?

1874
01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: What about you got it?

1875
01:27:44,280 --> 01:27:44,519
Speaker 4: Dude?

1876
01:27:44,640 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 1: That is legitimately, that is legitimately hysterical. Oh my god,

1877
01:27:51,160 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: I mean these bodies are these The one on the

1878
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 1: right is what is that Augusto Sakai?

1879
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:57,519
Speaker 2: It could be yeah, yeah, it could be. I have

1880
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:58,040
Speaker 2: no idea.

1881
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 1: The guy I feel like that one on the left

1882
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:02,519
Speaker 1: would the Jesus tattoo? Who's the one on the left?

1883
01:28:03,479 --> 01:28:14,599
Speaker 1: Gaff all right, dude, that is so funny, so fun.

1884
01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:17,439
Speaker 2: Look the depths of of meta that these that these

1885
01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,280
Speaker 2: viewers can get into. Look what these jokes are fantastic.

1886
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:23,519
Speaker 2: We close here with someone uh The guy's name is

1887
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:28,720
Speaker 2: Charlotte ask At Miska, Mosca Miska at Mosca misca. Uh.

1888
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,800
Speaker 2: He's come out with a poster for season three of

1889
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 2: Morning Break, Luke, A.

1890
01:28:35,080 --> 01:28:39,040
Speaker 1: Story about a bromance, fences, barbed wire, heavy lifting, and

1891
01:28:39,120 --> 01:28:43,560
Speaker 1: a homeless guy. I forget the reference here. What was

1892
01:28:43,600 --> 01:28:47,960
Speaker 1: the sniper reference that I made? Oh, the sniper tower

1893
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:50,840
Speaker 1: in the front yard gym, That's what it was. At

1894
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:51,599
Speaker 1: the barbed wire.

1895
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 2: And what show is this playing off of? This is great?

1896
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:57,759
Speaker 2: Well done on the poster. What show is this playing

1897
01:28:57,800 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 2: off of?

1898
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 1: Luke? I don't know. I don't know. Prison Break?

1899
01:29:04,240 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, Gaff believes it's the prison Break. Well

1900
01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:12,400
Speaker 2: done there, Moscow Miska. Okay, isn't that what what Mickey

1901
01:29:12,439 --> 01:29:12,880
Speaker 2: Mouse says?

1902
01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: Mosca Miska, Yeah, yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I used to have young kids. Yeah, Luke, all right, Louke,

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Speaker 2: that'll do it for our show this week, of course,

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Speaker 2: check me out Thursday night, NBC Sports Network, nine pm

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Speaker 2: Eastern when Ring City USA returns in Charles Conwell, Madi

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Speaker 2: ar Ashkeev in the main event, and Luke I'll be

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Speaker 2: on the Uh. I'll be the call and commentator along

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Speaker 2: with Showtime Sean Porter, along with current Batia at Ringside

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Speaker 2: and this week our play by play man Luke former

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Speaker 2: voice of the w E C. Todd Harris. So looking

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Speaker 2: forward to.

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Speaker 1: That, hey, and also he did PFL for a time, right.

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Speaker 2: I believe so, I believe that is correct. You could

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Speaker 2: be dead wrong, but I have to look it.

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Speaker 1: Up, Luke. Uh okay, all right, Well, don't for get

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Speaker 1: we are on social If you want to give Brian

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Speaker 1: and I a follow, you certainly can. We're on Morning

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Speaker 1: Combat on Twitter, Morning Combat on Instagram, and of course YouTube,

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Speaker 1: as well as Morning Coombat at gmail dot com. But

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Speaker 1: of course you can see if you want to give

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Speaker 1: us a follow, there plenty of places to do that.

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Speaker 1: If you want Showtime, you can get it for free

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Speaker 1: for a thirty day trial. If you like it, you

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Speaker 1: can keep it back. You can go and sit in

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Speaker 1: the corner and pee on yourself. If you want merch,

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Speaker 1: you can go to store dot show dot com. As

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Speaker 1: Brian Authenticated, you can catch them tomorrow on NBC Sports

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Speaker 1: on ring City. I believe a nine PM. I've lost

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Speaker 1: there's no audio of you, besure I even here nine

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Speaker 1: or at least I can't hear it. Anyway, nine pm.

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Speaker 4: I'm here.

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Speaker 2: Look, I'm I'm back.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, nine pm in the East. Start time. Also

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Speaker 1: live chat tomorrow three pm. Right here, and I'll set

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Speaker 1: everything up for Friday show. From there, we'll get to

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Speaker 1: the Canelo fight. We got a big UFC events, a preview,

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Speaker 1: We got a lot to get.

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Speaker 2: To Triple G. Yeah, Triple G's back. Showtime Box Saturday.

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Speaker 1: This a lot going on, Luke, huge, huge weekend in

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Speaker 1: combat sports. So we'll get you ready for all of it.

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Speaker 1: All right. That is Brian Campbell. I'm Luke Thomas. Thanks

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Speaker 1: to the folks at Malka. Don't get hit by any

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Speaker 1: more water balloons, and thanks to the good folks to

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Speaker 1: show time at CBS Sports. Until next time, may all

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Speaker 1: of your eggs be bagged.