WEBVTT - Listener Mail: Beware the Wheelers 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:05.360 Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind production of My 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:11.039 Heart Radio. Hey, welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind 0:00:11.320 --> 0:00:15.320 listener mail. My name is Robert Lamb and I'm Joe McCormick. Again. 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:17.320 It's Monday, the day of the week that we reback 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.080 some messages from the mail bag. Here. You know what 0:00:20.120 --> 0:00:23.400 we haven't mentioned in a while, our loyal mailbot, Carney. 0:00:23.960 --> 0:00:26.000 I don't know why we You know, we start to 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:28.360 take him for granted. Yeah, I mean, if he's he's 0:00:28.400 --> 0:00:31.280 functioning perfectly and he's not destroying all humans, then you 0:00:31.320 --> 0:00:33.680 don't notice he's there at all. That's the thing about technology. 0:00:33.920 --> 0:00:36.880 How about it, Carney, Have you yet decided that human 0:00:36.920 --> 0:00:40.800 beings are a virus? Much like Agent Smith in the Matrix? 0:00:42.040 --> 0:00:46.319 Ambiguous answer? Okay, um? I think maybe we should start 0:00:46.360 --> 0:00:49.159 off with some responses to the episode we did on 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:53.080 vacuum Airships. Let's see, Rob, do you want to do 0:00:53.120 --> 0:01:02.680 this one from longtime correspondent Jim in New Jersey? Oh yeah, yeah, 0:01:02.760 --> 0:01:05.319 Jim and New Jersey is great about chiming in, especially 0:01:05.520 --> 0:01:08.720 on on like physics and stuff, but also old timey 0:01:08.760 --> 0:01:13.080 sci fi as well. So Jim shares the following Robert, 0:01:13.120 --> 0:01:15.319 Joe and Seth. I think that null ships, which really 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:18.880 should be called null holes, exist on Earth, but just 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:22.560 not in the form you presented. I would propose that 0:01:22.720 --> 0:01:26.560 submarines are a type of null hole design. Their buoyancy 0:01:26.600 --> 0:01:29.759 and water is determined by the relative ratio of air 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.600 to sea water in their buoyancy tanks. In these conditions, 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.319 air would be like a vacuum relative to the surrounding 0:01:36.360 --> 0:01:39.640 sea water. Submarines can be subjected to the crushing pressure 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:42.360 of the surrounding fluid, as is seen in just about 0:01:42.400 --> 0:01:46.360 every submarine movie ever produced. If no airships were ever constructed, 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.120 I'd really be concerned with their integral structure. Any flaw 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.520 would make them susceptible to immediate crushing. The MythBusters demonstrated 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:57.560 this in their last season when they crushed a railroad 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.560 tanker car only by using air sure. It's implosion was 0:02:01.600 --> 0:02:04.120 one of the most impressive things I remember them doing. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.240 On the show Jim in New Jersey, Jim attaches a 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.359 link to a video. I couldn't tell if this was 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:13.680 actually from MythBusters. It didn't really look like it, but uh, 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.240 it was a clip of somebody pumping out Yeah, one 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.799 of those like you know sealed tankers you would see 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:24.480 being pulled on railroad tracks, and they had it hooked 0:02:24.520 --> 0:02:26.400 up to a big truck. I guess that truck was 0:02:26.440 --> 0:02:30.080 operating the vacuum pump. And it just it doesn't do 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.040 anything for a long time, because of course it's not 0:02:32.080 --> 0:02:34.360 a balloon. It's got a rigid outer shell, and it 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:37.320 just sits there and sits there and sits there, and 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:40.480 then suddenly, bam, it just smashes like somebody, like an 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:43.760 invisible foot from the sky stomped on it. Yeah, it 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:47.400 just squatches. That's pretty pretty impressive. That is the pressure 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:57.519 of the atmosphere, same force holding the Magdeburg hemispheres together. Okay, 0:02:57.960 --> 0:03:01.560 I'm gonna read a message about vac hume airships from Eric, 0:03:01.720 --> 0:03:06.040 who says, Hi, gentlemen, loved the void ships episode. I've 0:03:06.080 --> 0:03:09.639 long wondered about the feasibility of vacuum airships, and one 0:03:09.680 --> 0:03:12.120 thing that occurred to me is the possible use of 0:03:12.360 --> 0:03:17.600 evacuated aero gels. Aero gels are essentially a dried out 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.239 gel that retains its shape. They're estimated to be about 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:26.600 air inside lots of nanoscopic pores. A common example is 0:03:26.639 --> 0:03:31.040 silica aero gel, which is basically fluffy glass. I did 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:33.720 some math, and if we could evacuate the air from 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.960 silica aero gel and then somehow seal the surface so 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.560 air could not get back in, it would be capable 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.360 of floating at altitudes of up to four kilometers or 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:45.760 one point five miles. Its biggest problem would be its 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:50.160 compressive strength. Although aero gels are rigid, they're not all strong, 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:52.960 and larger aero gels may not be able to withstand 0:03:53.040 --> 0:03:57.160 sea level pressure, especially for larger vacuum aero gel balloons. 0:03:57.520 --> 0:03:59.680 I don't know enough about material sites to try to 0:03:59.680 --> 0:04:03.440 calcul the performance of an aero gel at different atmospheric pressures, 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:06.280 but it's a fun idea, and maybe, like all the 0:04:06.320 --> 0:04:08.720 other problems in the world, this one will be solved 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:13.200 by graphine or carbon nanotubes all the best. Eric that's right, 0:04:13.240 --> 0:04:15.600 we can always kick the aero gel can down the 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:20.280 road to the graphine and nanotubes, for sure. I feel 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:23.560 like I've seen fewer articles about this in recent years. 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:26.840 There was a period of time. Oh I don't know, 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:30.680 I'm gonna say, like two thousand eleven to two thousand 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.160 thirteen or fourteen or so. We're essentially every science or 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:38.280 engineering article I read ended with well, we can't do 0:04:38.320 --> 0:04:42.279 this now, but maybe with graphine or carbon nanotubes. Yeah, yeah, 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.360 I mean you still see it with with any kind 0:04:44.400 --> 0:04:48.839 of discussion that involves the limitations of modern day materials 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.880 or structures. Inevitably that's going to come up, and for 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:53.880 good reason. But yeah, I think you're right. There was 0:04:53.920 --> 0:04:56.800 a time about ten years ago where it seemed like 0:04:56.839 --> 0:04:59.839 it was everywhere the science headlines were just crazy for nanotubes. 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:08.640 All right, here's one from Evan. Evan writes in and says, hey, dudes, 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.159 I always love listening to your show and learning along 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:14.280 with them. One of my favorite episodes was the Lesser 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.400 of two crab Claws series. But as I was listening 0:05:17.440 --> 0:05:20.440 to your recent episode about vacuum airships, I couldn't help 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.960 but be reminded of a scene in the original Willy 0:05:23.040 --> 0:05:26.040 Wonka and the Chocolate Factory movie. I'm not sure if 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:28.760 it features in the Tim Burton one, where Charlie and 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:32.480 Grandpa Joe sneak a sample of fizzylifting drink and are 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:35.160 almost chopped up by the fans in the ceiling. They 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.800 finally discovered the solution to stop floating, and to get 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:41.159 down is to burp slowly expelling gas, and each time 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:43.440 they sink a little lower until they are safe on 0:05:43.480 --> 0:05:45.919 the ground. As you went through all the different attempts 0:05:46.000 --> 0:05:48.360 people came up with to create these null ships, I 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:50.600 couldn't help but think of this scene and the comparisons 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:53.320 it drew. Again, thanks for all you do. Love the show. 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.720 Evan chopped up by the fans. That's a little more 0:05:56.800 --> 0:06:01.600 gory than I recall Wonka being. Oh yeah, yeah, they 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.440 were floating. I mean they didn't get chopped up, but 0:06:03.480 --> 0:06:07.080 they were floating up towards the obvious chopping peril of 0:06:07.360 --> 0:06:10.240 fan on the ceiling. I mean, death is real. In 0:06:10.279 --> 0:06:13.400 the Walker Verse, it was implied chopping. There was the 0:06:13.440 --> 0:06:17.360 suggestion that chopping would occur, right, But I mean we 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:21.640 we established in in the Wonka verse here that terrible 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:24.760 things canon will happen to children. So it's it's for 0:06:24.800 --> 0:06:27.440 some reason. It's a film where the threat feels very 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:32.080 real and Charlie and Grandpa are breaking the rules. Oh 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.680 are they? I remember Charlie and Grandpa always doing good 0:06:35.720 --> 0:06:37.840 while it was the other kids who were doing bad. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.080 I mean, the kids did bad too, but you might 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:42.039 remember at the end, this is the whole, remember the 0:06:42.040 --> 0:06:46.720 whole wonka um rant about you get nothing anyway, this 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.800 was this was part of it. Okay, great weird film. 0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:51.680 It's certainly one we could We could come back and 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:53.480 look at on weird. Howse sent him in the future. 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:56.520 You mean the old one. You cannot make me watch 0:06:56.600 --> 0:07:00.160 the Tim Burton one. I saw it. I don't over 0:07:00.320 --> 0:07:02.560 much about it, but I mean the original and it's 0:07:02.720 --> 0:07:10.800 is golden. Yes, okay. How about a couple of messages 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:16.280 about whistling. Uh. This first one comes from Duncan. Duncan says, Hi, 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:18.960 I've loved your deep dive into whistling. I had no 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.000 idea it was such a large subject. In the third episode, 0:07:22.040 --> 0:07:24.680 you talked about the use of whistling from the audience 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:28.240 as a negative display in ancient debates, and mentioned the 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:31.480 modern day British theater. Although this is more a cultural 0:07:31.600 --> 0:07:35.280 memory as audiences in the UK don't really do this anymore. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:38.520 I thought i'd share that the French rugby team have 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:42.800 to contend with quote the bird, a whistled display of 0:07:42.840 --> 0:07:46.600 disappointment in turgid play from their own fans when not 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.080 performing well. This is in wide use across France today. 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.600 Keep up the good work, all the best, Duncan, Duncan. 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:55.720 I tried to look this up and find an example, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:57.480 and I could not, But maybe I didn't know what 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:00.800 the right search terms were. But I believe you interesting, 0:08:05.920 --> 0:08:07.960 all right. This one comes to us from Mark hawdy 0:08:08.080 --> 0:08:10.720 All in part three of the Whistling series, there was 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:13.160 a discussion of the audience in a theater whistling at 0:08:13.160 --> 0:08:16.120 the at a performance that they didn't like. And if 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:18.040 I recall I listened to it a few days ago, 0:08:18.480 --> 0:08:21.600 you segued into Sailor's superstitions about whistling. I think there 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:24.520 may be some overlap between the two. There's a superstition 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.720 in the theater about whistling backstage. I asked around during 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:29.640 a show. I'm a musician that does a lot of 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.680 work in theaters here in Atlanta as to where this 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.640 particular superstition came from. And the only answer that was 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:38.679 given with any confidence is the surprisingly practical. And this 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.440 explanation is purely anecdotal, so take it with a grain 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:44.840 of salt. Many of the curtains, scrims, and other set 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:48.079 pieces are flown in from the loft using cables. Now 0:08:48.120 --> 0:08:50.640 these cables are steel cables with easy to use locks 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:53.440 and counterweights. But before that there were ropes that had 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.440 to be weighted and tied to secure them. Sailors were 0:08:56.440 --> 0:08:59.080 accustomed to running around in high places and working with 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:01.520 stout ropes and not unts, so when not at sea, 0:09:01.640 --> 0:09:03.839 the theater was a good place to find work. How 0:09:03.840 --> 0:09:07.360 do they communicate it? See whistling, which if it's even 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.800 audible to the audience, would not interfere with the dialogue. Thus, 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:13.800 if you whistle backstage, you risk telling the stage crew 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:16.520 to do something that could be embarrassing in the show, 0:09:16.600 --> 0:09:20.439 catastrophic or even deadly, like any old cartoon that involves 0:09:20.440 --> 0:09:24.040 a sand bag dropped on someone's head. My hypothesis is 0:09:24.080 --> 0:09:27.240 that the audiences of old new this then perhaps an 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:30.320 audience whistling is an attempt to spook a superstitious actor, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.960 cause some technical mayhem, or even to do harm to 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:36.719 the folks on stage. Just a bit of speculation, but 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:39.840 seems plausible. Thanks for the great shows, topics and movies, 0:09:39.960 --> 0:09:43.200 Mark Well Mark, I'm of two minds about this. On 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:45.360 one hand, I am taking this with a grain of salt. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.320 I'm not sure, but it's a beautiful story. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:54.520 I I like these possible connections. Um, it certainly changes 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:59.320 the um the the flavor of whistling at someone on 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.959 a stage of what you're ultimately trying to do is 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.319 get a chandelier dropped on their head. Yeah, or make 0:10:04.360 --> 0:10:07.640 the sets start lifting off the ground or something. Yeah. Yeah, 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:09.920 I mean nobody wants to hear you know, your favorite 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.800 musician do any new material, but you don't want stuff 0:10:12.840 --> 0:10:15.000 to fall on them. Oh, I was just taken to 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:18.360 a to a moment I lived through. I remember when 0:10:18.640 --> 0:10:23.040 Art Garfunkel was doing an outdoor festival show in Chattanooga, Tennessee, 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.440 and uh and he announced to a crowd of many 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:28.400 thousands that he was going to do a song off 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:31.000 his new album, and everyone at once got up to 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:35.840 get a beer. There exceptions to this rule, but but 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:38.960 it does seem to see a common occurrence with especially 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:50.160 older performers. Okay, I think it's time for some weird 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:53.679 house cinema messages. And we got so many emails about 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.560 return to OZ we are not going to be able 0:10:55.600 --> 0:10:58.200 to do them all today. Maybe we'll feature more OZ 0:10:58.200 --> 0:11:01.160 in the in the next episode, but let's do a 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.240 selection at least. First message I've got lined up here 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:09.480 is from Brian. Brian says, when I saw Return to 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:13.000 Oz in my podcast feed, I had a visceral reaction 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:16.880 and a chill ran down my spine. I was transported 0:11:16.880 --> 0:11:19.640 back to nineteen eighty six, when as a five year 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.400 old boy, I was subjected to a home viewing with 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.040 my older sister. I'm not sure if I watched it 0:11:25.120 --> 0:11:27.280 more than once over my childhood years, but I could 0:11:27.320 --> 0:11:31.439 clearly picture each segment you discussed, and I recalled those 0:11:31.480 --> 0:11:35.120 scenes as I had originally experienced them through a haze 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:38.960 of confused horror. I suspect if I watched it today, I, 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:42.320 like you would appreciate the weirdness, the beautiful production design, 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:46.400 and the creativity involved. However, I was not prepared for 0:11:46.440 --> 0:11:49.880 any of it as a child. The Wheeler specifically gave 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.480 me nightmares for months, if not years. Mom b and 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.360 her hallway of severed heads were also a bit much. 0:11:56.600 --> 0:11:59.920 In summary, it thoroughly messed me up. I remember late 0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.880 are in my preteen and teenage years having memories of 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:06.640 these scenes, but as they were during pre internet times, 0:12:06.640 --> 0:12:10.040 I wasn't sure what movie, if any, they had come from. 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:13.160 I remember that feeling Brian, I believe I finally stumbled 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.520 back upon it during college in the late nineties and 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.600 was gladdened and relieved to learn I hadn't simply dreamed 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:22.440 the whole thing up a surreal, trippy experience. Thanks for 0:12:22.480 --> 0:12:26.040 the memories, Brian, Ah, that's good. Yeah. I enjoyed hearing 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.000 from everybody out there who had memories of having seen 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:34.040 the film and also specific childhood memories that could attest 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:38.439 to the the dark tones and the sense of fear 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:46.000 and the picture. Now one of my favorites came from 0:12:46.120 --> 0:12:49.200 a listener, Shana. Shana writes then and says, Okay, weird 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:51.520 emailing you guys two weeks in a row, but ah, 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.640 you covered one of my favorite movies of all time. 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.640 I have such a deep relationship with Return to Oz 0:12:56.679 --> 0:12:59.839 from many different stages in my life. I was a 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:03.199 baby and my mother took me to see this film 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:06.000 when I was a wee little child. It is actually 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:09.280 one of my earliest foundational memories because as soon as 0:13:09.400 --> 0:13:12.920 momby pulled off her head, I ran screaming from the 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:17.640 movie theater. I became a well established scaredy cat and 0:13:17.800 --> 0:13:20.360 also ran out of my friend's house crying during the 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:25.720 Dark Crystal and ampted this day traumatized by Grimlin's older brothers. Yes, 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.679 say no more on both those fronts, but especially on Gremlins, 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.479 which is among all of these films, I think especially 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:37.400 potentially traumatic because it is so uh miscalibrated as a film. 0:13:37.440 --> 0:13:39.440 It really doesn't know of it if it's trying to 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:44.160 be cute or um or grotesque or frightening. Is it 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:48.600 a kid's movie that also doesn't mind using a grizzly 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:53.240 scenario to spoil Santa for viewers. So it's it's it's 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:55.720 it's a weird film to to take in. It is. 0:13:55.760 --> 0:13:57.680 But you know what this makes me think, Rob, I 0:13:57.720 --> 0:14:00.640 think on weird house cinema, we should do ones too, 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:06.080 which is just up bonanza. Yeah, g two baby, um, 0:14:06.160 --> 0:14:08.480 well for Christmas we should do that with it. It's 0:14:08.520 --> 0:14:13.320 definitely in the movie, all right. Shana continues. I rediscovered 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:16.120 Returned to Oz in high school after falling in love 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:19.240 with Rouza Balk from the Craft The Return to Oz 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:22.680 DVD from My local Video store Rental Store Silver Screen 0:14:22.800 --> 0:14:26.800 Video r I p. Twenty nineteen Auto started with an 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:30.240 interview with Bog talking about her experiences on set watching 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.240 the film again with Surreal It was like having deja vu. 0:14:33.400 --> 0:14:35.200 I wouldn't have been able to tell you what was 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.160 going to happen, but as soon as I saw it, 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:41.600 I remembered cut to college where I'm studying TV film editing. 0:14:41.920 --> 0:14:45.200 In the Blink of an Eye by Walter Merch was required. 0:14:45.240 --> 0:14:48.560 Reading IMDb dot com was kind of new and discovering 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.600 this world famous editor directed that childhood trauma turned beloved 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:56.160 movie blew my Mind. I got married in twenty eleven 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.480 in a steampunk themed wedding. We had the privilege and 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:02.680 honor to have a robotic ring bear created by one 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:06.160 of the best humans who has ever lived, Grant Immahara. 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:11.040 When creating the head, Grant took inspiration from TikTok TikTok, 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:15.280 being the the cool automaton ian returned to Oz. I've 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:20.240 included two photos of Heisenborg as he was named, and 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:22.760 indeed here are the photos. Jip so his head is 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:26.320 a copper sphere with the with the big walrus mustache 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.960 or not walrus. What do you call that can handlebar mustache? Ah? Yeah, 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.480 I guess so. Yeah, it's a tiktoki kind of mustache 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.880 with a monocle a top hat. I think it's got 0:15:34.880 --> 0:15:37.800 a bow tie. Uh, TikTok didn't have a bow tie 0:15:37.840 --> 0:15:40.440 as far as I recall, but so this one is 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.760 more finely dressed. But maybe this is what TikTok would 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.360 look like if he was going to a wedding. Yeah, 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:47.640 and as we can see in the second photo it 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.360 it seems to be a fully functioning automaton. We see 0:15:50.400 --> 0:15:54.160 the tracks, we see the remote control that was used 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:58.040 to operate it. So yeah, kudos. I mean this, this 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:00.560 looks like a steampunk wedding that really went for it. 0:16:00.840 --> 0:16:03.040 They finish up here listening to you guys fall in 0:16:03.040 --> 0:16:05.600 love with this film made me so happy. Avon reviewing, 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.480 y'all will find more details and surprises. As always, thank 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.400 you so much for the content. If you end up 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:16.080 looking for more weird, dark Disney children's films, I recommend 0:16:16.160 --> 0:16:20.440 Escape to Which Mountain Vour. The music is fantastic and 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:24.200 it's just a super weird movie. Also available on Disney Plus. 0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:26.840 I've heard very good things about Escape to Which Mountain, 0:16:26.880 --> 0:16:29.680 but I've never seen it. I saw it as a kid, 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:34.360 and I don't remember the particulars of it other than 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:36.800 it was one of there were I think a couple 0:16:36.840 --> 0:16:39.320 of Disney films from this era that we're a little 0:16:39.840 --> 0:16:44.080 creepy and felt like they weren't quite meant for kids, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.200 even though I mean, clearly it was okay for kids 0:16:46.200 --> 0:16:48.840 to see them, but they felt a little dangerous seeing 0:16:48.840 --> 0:16:50.680 the trailers for them as a as a child. On 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:54.720 other Disney VHS tapes, this one had Donald Pleasants in 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:59.280 it all that. Oh yes, wait, they just they did 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.080 a remake this movie with with Wayne the Stone, didn't they. 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:04.760 Oh yeah, I think yeah. I don't know if the 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:10.440 Rock plays Donald Pleasants's role or or not. I don't know. 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.200 I assume he plays maybe the Eddie Albert role. But um, 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.360 but yeah, I did not see the Rock remake. Yeah, 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:17.520 I mean neither. Well, maybe I will check out the original. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.879 I feel like there was some other Disney film of 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:23.400 this era that was frightening looking in the trailers, something 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:27.960 with ghosts in it. Perhaps it had it had Hayley 0:17:28.000 --> 0:17:31.280 Mills in it, but I don't, I mean, it wouldn't Pollyanna, right, 0:17:31.320 --> 0:17:35.439 Pollyanna is not a ghost story. It's not the parent Trap. 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:38.400 I've never seen it. I don't know. Well, let's look 0:17:38.480 --> 0:17:41.000 up the Hailey Mills Philip Filmography. See, it might not 0:17:41.040 --> 0:17:43.200 have been Haley Mills. It might have been just another 0:17:43.280 --> 0:17:46.000 child actor that reminded me of her, But there was 0:17:46.080 --> 0:17:48.199 some other Disney film from this era that gave me 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:51.520 the creeps. And or maybe I'm just it's just like 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:54.879 a splinter memory of Escape from which Mountain? I don't know. Waiter, 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.960 are you thinking of Watcher in the World? I am 0:17:56.960 --> 0:17:59.840 thinking of Watcher in the Woods? Yes, eight film. Yes, 0:18:00.160 --> 0:18:03.679 that's the one. I should have known immediately. I was 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:06.800 wondering that one is one. Yeah, I just distinctly remember 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.840 being troubled by the trailers for that on other Disney 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:13.480 VHS tapes. And uh, yeah, I don't think I've ever 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:16.439 sat down and watched it as an adult, but I 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.000 have read about some of the like the stuff that 0:18:19.040 --> 0:18:20.679 got cut. There was something to do with like the 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:22.760 entity in the film, and they had a more frightening 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:24.760 vision of that entity that they were going to use. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:26.600 But then they had to they had to pull back 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.320 a little bit, and they had to remind everybody, no, 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:30.879 this is Disney, we can't we can't do do something 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:36.680 this dark and uh and ethereal Robert, stop right now 0:18:37.000 --> 0:18:39.480 and google Watcher in the woods. Monster. You need to 0:18:39.480 --> 0:18:42.400 see it. Oh god, yeah, this is this is terrifying. 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:48.359 It's like a like a a fallen slime angel. And 0:18:48.720 --> 0:18:51.760 this is not the way that it appears in the movie, right, 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.360 this is that I don't remember. I remember there being 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.000 something scary in the movie, but this maybe this isn't 0:18:57.000 --> 0:18:58.960 it was this the cut one. I don't know. I 0:18:58.960 --> 0:19:01.320 can't sort it out right now. Well, the trailer was 0:19:01.359 --> 0:19:03.199 creepy that much. I remember you and you have like 0:19:03.200 --> 0:19:12.280 the weird girl with the blindfold on. Yeah, alright, let's 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:14.880 do at least one more return to OZ message. Let's 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.960 see how about this one from Athena, who said subject 0:19:19.000 --> 0:19:23.200 line returned to return to Oz Hi Robin Joe. When 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:25.639 I was in middle school, I remember a friend giving 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:28.359 me a play by play of everything that happened in 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.040 the movie returned to OZ with these wild, wide eyes, 0:19:32.480 --> 0:19:34.760 as if they had to tell me everything just to 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.199 get it out of their head. I didn't watch it 0:19:37.280 --> 0:19:39.399 for years. I read all the books when I was 0:19:39.440 --> 0:19:41.760 a teenager much later, and I could see how it 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:46.000 would be very disturbing. I would absolutely one recommended that 0:19:46.040 --> 0:19:48.840 you read at least the first three Wizard of Oz books. 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:51.760 They're very short. It won't take long. Uh. There was 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.040 so much more to the Wonderful Wizard of Oz than 0:19:54.080 --> 0:19:56.560 what happened in the thirty nine movie. There was a 0:19:56.600 --> 0:20:00.480 whole town of breakable porcelain people. There were people with 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:04.000 heads that shoot from their necks, etcetera. I'm not sure 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:05.840 if I even understand what that means, shoot like a 0:20:05.880 --> 0:20:09.520 bullet from their necks, like their heads are little rockets 0:20:09.520 --> 0:20:13.080 that take off. In the successive books, every time Dorothy 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:16.040 goes back to Oz, years have passed when only a 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.920 short amount of time has passed by in our world. Rob. 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.520 This may explain one of your son's questions about the movie, 0:20:23.680 --> 0:20:26.240 which is that if if that's true, maybe there's even 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.960 a reverse time lineup, which is why Dorothy is younger 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.160 in the sequel than she is in the original movie. 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:36.639 Nade Anyway, Athena says, I would say that Returned to 0:20:36.640 --> 0:20:38.840 Oz is very true to the spirit of the books. 0:20:39.119 --> 0:20:41.800 They are evocative of an early American idea of what 0:20:41.920 --> 0:20:45.040 foreign lands are like, and they are really quite scary 0:20:45.080 --> 0:20:47.159 in the best way possible. Thank you so much for 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.360 the great show, Athena. Yeah, I'm tempted to to pick 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:51.639 one up now. I was talking to a friend the 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.520 other day who'd read a bunch of them when when 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:56.880 they were a kid. I also think that there I agree, 0:20:57.000 --> 0:20:59.399 even not having read the books and just seeing the movies, 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:02.800 that there is some thing distinctly American about the kind 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:05.600 of fantasy in them, because like the Wizard, it turns out, 0:21:05.680 --> 0:21:09.879 essentially is a patent medicine salesman, like a huckster and 0:21:09.960 --> 0:21:15.400 Carnival Barker. It seems like a very American kind of choice. Yeah. Yeah, 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:17.480 And you know one thing that I thought was interesting 0:21:17.520 --> 0:21:19.960 really in in both the thirty nine Ods and in 0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:23.520 Return to Oz, there's also this sense of of the 0:21:23.560 --> 0:21:26.560 Emerald City that, uh that kind of reminds me of 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:31.000 some of the futuristic optimism concerning the nature of the 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:34.840 American city. Uh. That that I think is as president 0:21:34.840 --> 0:21:42.400 of the fiction here. All right, let's do one more 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.920 here from the oz bag. This is from Nathaniel. Nathaniel says, Hello, 0:21:46.000 --> 0:21:49.119 Robert and Joe. I was excited when Joe solicited calls 0:21:49.160 --> 0:21:52.199 for the best forest sets because I also love a 0:21:52.240 --> 0:21:56.040 good forest at peace, and my all time favorite, without 0:21:56.040 --> 0:21:59.720 any competition, is the queue for the Et Adventure ride 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.760 at Universal Studios, Florida. The ride itself is fine, and 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.080 against all odds, still appears to be open. However, the 0:22:07.119 --> 0:22:10.160 indoor queue for the ride was wonderful, winding through an 0:22:10.160 --> 0:22:13.920 air conditioned indoor forest. It was relatively quiet and dark, 0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:18.199 and there were sound effects throughout, possibly also an ominous soundtrack, 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.199 but I can't say if that's part of my memory 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.960