Speaker 1: Yeah. My name is Claim Nukeleman. This is a production
Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,
Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the
Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. All right, welcome
Speaker 1: to the bear Grease Render. Before I get into introductions,
Speaker 1: which I am going to do, I uh, I've got
Speaker 1: to I've got to admit we've got some major problems.
Speaker 1: Major problems. I still have grown men almost every day
Speaker 1: sending me pictures of panthers, of large black cats. I
Speaker 1: don't see what the problem is. When are you gonna
Speaker 1: stop ignoring the evidence? Listen, listen, listen. They send me
Speaker 1: pictures and like, don't say anything. It's like a picture
Speaker 1: and it's like clearly a real black large cat. And
Speaker 1: it's as if they're saying, Clay, do you not get
Speaker 1: it that there are such things as black panthers? Okay?
Speaker 1: What my point is I am I am highly aware
Speaker 1: that there are large black cats in the world. Okay.
Speaker 1: And if what I am saying is that there is
Speaker 1: no such thing as a black mountain line, you're saying,
Speaker 1: please stop. For the love of human No, I did.
Speaker 1: I actually did get a really good uh guy now
Speaker 1: this this I appreciate. A guy sent me a video
Speaker 1: yesterday and he gave no explanation. Was just a video
Speaker 1: on Instagram. It was his grandmother And I didn't, I
Speaker 1: didn't it was someone I didn't know. It was this picture.
Speaker 1: It was this video of this like perfect southern grandmother.
Speaker 1: And she's sweeping in her little kitchen and you know
Speaker 1: the decor in the house. You could have just walked
Speaker 1: in there, any one of us, and which has been like,
Speaker 1: this is my grandmother's house. Yeah, And and she is
Speaker 1: telling a story and clearly doesn't know she's being videoed,
Speaker 1: and she's telling a story about a black panther. I mean,
Speaker 1: just like, I mean, just giving this guy the what for,
Speaker 1: Just like your grandfather was he was hunting over here,
Speaker 1: and she's sweeping, She's got her back to the camp.
Speaker 1: She's sweeping and and a black panther walked out and
Speaker 1: she saw it. And I saw the tale of a
Speaker 1: black panther one time. And I mean she's just like,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no room for like was it true?
Speaker 1: Was it not? It was just like this is the truth. No,
Speaker 1: no explanation from the guy. He just sent me to
Speaker 1: pick this video of his grandmother as if to say,
Speaker 1: you wrong, Clayton calling my grandmother. And then I went
Speaker 1: to the guy's profile and shout out to him. Uh,
Speaker 1: he was from he was from East Tennessee. Appreciate I
Speaker 1: appreciated that a lot. No. Welcome to the burglary surrender.
Speaker 1: I've got uh, I've got to my left, Brent Reeves,
Speaker 1: who is going to give I'm gonna ask him to
Speaker 1: do something here in a minute. To his directory. To
Speaker 1: his left, Joshua Spillmaker. Josh Um there was the land
Speaker 1: Bridge is catching on shirt my own hat. Many people
Speaker 1: start hashtag can land Bridge. I'm I'm going to put
Speaker 1: a picture of Josh Spillmaker on my Instagram just to
Speaker 1: show you guys what I'm talking about. I'm getting a tattoo. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Josh's left is doctor Daniel Rupe. Welcome, Dr Rupe, good
Speaker 1: to be here, Good to see you. And hey back
Speaker 1: from where he was My dad, Gary newcom Good to
Speaker 1: see dad. Yeah. Dad has been known to almost daily
Speaker 1: send me videos of black feline. I think he understands
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about. Hey, we got a new we
Speaker 1: got a new guest on the render. This is exciting,
Speaker 1: This is exciting. News especially we have a new a
Speaker 1: new guest, and I want all of you to feel
Speaker 1: the pressure of this. Okay, man, this is becoming like chopped.
Speaker 1: There are don't see you know, you know where they
Speaker 1: lined up the chefs and like like they critiqued them
Speaker 1: and they and it's like chopped. Okay, and we're not
Speaker 1: gonna say you know who's not here today? Um, but
Speaker 1: no pressure whatsoever, you know what? This is really sad.
Speaker 1: The reason we have to limit the number of people
Speaker 1: in this room is because of technical issues. I've got
Speaker 1: six headsets. No I here's what exactly what I did.
Speaker 1: Because Josh and Malachi are like, uh, such good friends
Speaker 1: of mine. I even I messaged them both Daniel. I
Speaker 1: messaged them both on a on a on a message
Speaker 1: and said, hey, boys, I really want my my friend
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say his name yet to come to
Speaker 1: the render. Would one of you guys be willing to
Speaker 1: not come to graciously out? Do you know? The first
Speaker 1: test text message I got was Josh filmmakers saying it
Speaker 1: ain't gonna be me. I'm dead serious, he was like,
Speaker 1: and so actually sent him a meme of of h
Speaker 1: Dana Carvey doing doing the George Bush not gonna do it,
Speaker 1: and so Malick I picked up his phone like an
Speaker 1: hour later. It was like, well, okay, I guess I
Speaker 1: won't up. Yeah he was. Oh no, so our new
Speaker 1: guest is Forest Teeter name, what a name? Appreciate it? Yeah,
Speaker 1: no doubt my country singer, country singer. I'm glad you
Speaker 1: still have a mustache for us, because I have some
Speaker 1: serious I would if I could grow one. This is like,
Speaker 1: I feel kind of oppressed by this room right now.
Speaker 1: He and I. You know, I got something in common here,
Speaker 1: but the only clean shaving ones. I ain't got much
Speaker 1: to show here. Really, you're the only two that actually
Speaker 1: held real jobs in your life. Dude into it. Hey, okay,
Speaker 1: me and Forest have a very complicated web of relationship. Okay,
Speaker 1: because no, how old are you for us? I told
Speaker 1: him you were thirty? Really? Yeah? So we uh we
Speaker 1: met after I killed my first black bear. I sent
Speaker 1: him in bear from Uh. It was it was during
Speaker 1: the time when I was recruiting stories for for Arkansas
Speaker 1: Black Bear Association and this kid killed the spar and
Speaker 1: so I was like, hey, dude, would you like to
Speaker 1: write a story for you? I was in eleventh grade,
Speaker 1: and that was like I was like, man, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be famous. That's almost ten years ago, probably years ago. Okay,
Speaker 1: the story continues. So we become buddies because he writes
Speaker 1: this story, you know, just like kind of like social
Speaker 1: media buddies. And then you killed a big deer. He
Speaker 1: killed a hundred sixty in deer a pan of where
Speaker 1: that was, he killed a hundred sixty inches dear. I said, hey,
Speaker 1: how about we do a story on this deer? Now
Speaker 1: did you write this story? I did the story. Okay,
Speaker 1: So he comes up here and he brings his dad
Speaker 1: and we we have a great time and hit it off.
Speaker 1: About that time, I needed somebody to go with me
Speaker 1: to Idaho to film a mountain lion hunt. And so
Speaker 1: I didn't know you went on that trip I did.
Speaker 1: It was just it was just like the right moment.
Speaker 1: It was like, man, I bet, I bet Forest would
Speaker 1: like to go with me to film that mountaine. I was,
Speaker 1: I think a sophomore in college, so it it had
Speaker 1: been a while, uh so probably twenty years old something
Speaker 1: like that. I think I was more excited than you remember.
Speaker 1: I was like, for this, man, you read it. For this,
Speaker 1: like I'm so I'm so excited. He's like, and he
Speaker 1: remember he told me at one point he was like, man,
Speaker 1: I need you to weigh your expectations. Just a very
Speaker 1: you know, level headed thing to say, but I need
Speaker 1: you to weigh your expectations. A lot of factors, the
Speaker 1: snow and everything. It's like, all right, reel back, real
Speaker 1: it in, real it in, you know, but it was
Speaker 1: it was cool. It was so cool. Okay, we're moving
Speaker 1: forward now. So we go to Idaho and have a
Speaker 1: great time, and I killed a mountain line with a
Speaker 1: traditional bow. We made a film that's got like six
Speaker 1: hundred thousand views on Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel. You
Speaker 1: can check it out. So Forest filmed all that and
Speaker 1: it was a tough hunt. It was cold, and it
Speaker 1: was really neat. Okay, the story continues. He well, I'll
Speaker 1: come back to the tripod. Did you know I don't
Speaker 1: I bet you don't even remember this, or maybe you
Speaker 1: probably remember it. When I first had the idea of
Speaker 1: starting a podcast, I talked to you being on the
Speaker 1: podcast with me. He is the only person that's ever
Speaker 1: straight up stiff armed me on wanting to be a
Speaker 1: podcast partner. He didn't ask you to read a book.
Speaker 1: I wanted to believe me. I want to I had
Speaker 1: before I knew what podcasts were. Yeah, this would have
Speaker 1: been like it was years before. I was just like
Speaker 1: brainstorm and we talked about on the way to Idaho too.
Speaker 1: We talked yes, and so I was like, hey, let's
Speaker 1: let's start a podcast. Forest is like nope. I said,
Speaker 1: it was just like Malichi Nichols when I asked him
Speaker 1: if he wanted to be a partner in a boat
Speaker 1: and he was like nope. I remember when I actually
Speaker 1: started the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I was talking to
Speaker 1: just randomly talking to you about it on the phone,
Speaker 1: and you asked me what I was going to call it,
Speaker 1: and I said I wanted to call it the Bear
Speaker 1: Grease podcast years ago. Forest goes, now, you don't want
Speaker 1: to do that. Yeah you didn't know. I mean yes,
Speaker 1: but I really okay, you either just totally agreed with me.
Speaker 1: I vividly remember you going, you don't want to have
Speaker 1: to remark it yourself. I may have presented to you
Speaker 1: Bear Hunting Magazine or Bear Grease, and I vividly remember
Speaker 1: you going, now, you don't want to do that. But
Speaker 1: perhaps you were agreeing maybe something I had said, because
Speaker 1: and I went with Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. Hold just
Speaker 1: hold on, this is going somewhere, okay, because Bear Honey
Speaker 1: Magazine podcast was such direct branding. I remember you saying, now,
Speaker 1: you don't want to have to like convince people or
Speaker 1: tell them what bear Grease is if you're trying to
Speaker 1: promote a magazine. So it's like, let's just go straightforward marketing.
Speaker 1: This is the Bear Honey magazine podcast. We produced Bear
Speaker 1: Honey magazine. Okay. Because of that from this guy right here,
Speaker 1: the bear Grease name was preserved for such a time
Speaker 1: as this one time. The best dog name my family
Speaker 1: ever had. Okay, you know, I've got kids, family, wife,
Speaker 1: and like we talked about dogs. The best dog name
Speaker 1: that we ever had was we had the idea to
Speaker 1: name a dog Scout. Okay, we almost named our kids Scout,
Speaker 1: but we didn't. So I go drive fifteen hours to
Speaker 1: go get a plothhound and my family is like, we're
Speaker 1: naming this dog Scout, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 1: whoa whoa. We don't want to use the best name
Speaker 1: on a dog we know nothing about. Like, you can't
Speaker 1: name the dog until you see it. You understand it,
Speaker 1: And I was like, I don't want to use that
Speaker 1: name on a dog that is going to be an
Speaker 1: ill repute. Okay, we get the dog and the dog
Speaker 1: doesn't work out, the dog is no longer on Newcomb Farm,
Speaker 1: and he got the name Scout ruined. It are you
Speaker 1: with me? The dog the dog name is ruined. We
Speaker 1: can never go back and get that. That would have
Speaker 1: happened if Forest Teeter hadn't told me to not name
Speaker 1: my podcast Burgrease. Don't you see what I'm Okay, your
Speaker 1: best dog name is Cheater. What happened to Cheater? Well,
Speaker 1: I mean Cheater got stolen by some construction workers down Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, so so you you helped preserve the name
Speaker 1: Bargrease for such a time as this. You see, I'm
Speaker 1: so absolutely okay, all right, Forrest is in the navy.
Speaker 1: So Forest has now made something of himself. He doesn't
Speaker 1: just like follow around like people filming them. Forest. Uh, dude,
Speaker 1: you just went to tell us about being in the navy. Okay.
Speaker 1: So uh, I've relatively new to the Navy. I've been
Speaker 1: in two and a half years. I guess. I went
Speaker 1: to officer candidate school in July of September and uh
Speaker 1: native Arkansan is most y'all probably suspected. But when Tarkansas Tech,
Speaker 1: and uh yeah, I just kind of decided about halfway
Speaker 1: through college. Had had a good job, honestly, but it
Speaker 1: was kind of a Remember I was catching birds and
Speaker 1: just kind of all over the place. Not I'm like,
Speaker 1: where does this trajectory go? There definitely was a future there,
Speaker 1: but it's like I needed to look at something else
Speaker 1: and you know, explore my options, and uh always been
Speaker 1: interested in aviation, but decided I was just gonna send
Speaker 1: it on trying to be a pilot in the military.
Speaker 1: The Navy kind of had the lowest standards at the time,
Speaker 1: which is what I need, what I needed for myself,
Speaker 1: So I explored my options there got picked up in
Speaker 1: uh yeah, okay for you three over here, I'm pointing
Speaker 1: it Dan, Josh, and Brent. He's in the Navy and
Speaker 1: that's boats and stuff, but he flies the airplane. It's
Speaker 1: taking me a while to figure that out. And Clay
Speaker 1: still hasn't seen top Gun. By the way, I just
Speaker 1: want to throw that out there. So true story. So anyway,
Speaker 1: thanks to Gary Nuclem, he protected you from he detected
Speaker 1: you from scientology standards in the bank vault. So you
Speaker 1: fly like an incredible plane for the Navy, which is
Speaker 1: not a small thing. They don't just let anybody fly
Speaker 1: that thing, Dan, So tell us what you fly. So
Speaker 1: I played the six Mercury. It's a big seven h seven,
Speaker 1: big white plane. And basically the most pilots just when
Speaker 1: they're describing their plane till the color. Uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: unique in that most military aircraft are gray, I'll say that.
Speaker 1: So it's uh, basically a relay aircraft who talk to
Speaker 1: the nuclear submarines that are under the water in case
Speaker 1: we have missiles inbound. We can kind of provide that
Speaker 1: last line of defense for the United States. So we're
Speaker 1: not operating over anywhere outside of the United States. Really,
Speaker 1: how many pilots fly that one plane? I think we have. Well, no,
Speaker 1: like like in a plane like anywhere, to walk out
Speaker 1: on the airstrip and take it up in the air,
Speaker 1: would you have to have another pilot with you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's multipilot aircraft, so generally have three on
Speaker 1: board and uh, that's gonna be pilot Copott and then
Speaker 1: one who can kind of change out. That's pretty impressive. Hey,
Speaker 1: and the other thing, this guy's a heck of a hunter, Like,
Speaker 1: no doubt, good Hunter. Thank good Hunter. We're gonna have
Speaker 1: Forest play some music later. Okay. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of very generous comments about the rendition, most slow Foot
Speaker 1: last Dad, you weren't here saying, oh, man, I to
Speaker 1: you it was impressive. Yeah, yeah, especially the guy on
Speaker 1: the cowbell that cow bell I had. I actually had
Speaker 1: one the only like musical correction that I had was
Speaker 1: on the cowbell. Somebody was like, the dude on the
Speaker 1: cowbell needs to get on and then I started listening
Speaker 1: to it and I was like, yeah, he's right. At
Speaker 1: one point in the song, I realized I was daydreaming.
Speaker 1: I had to bring it back. Oh wow. Okay, So
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do on this podcast is we're gonna
Speaker 1: talk about moonshine, NASCAR, and bear hunting the Bear Grease
Speaker 1: podcast that just came out. But before we do that,
Speaker 1: I totally skipped over every time I introduced all you guys,
Speaker 1: I want to like give just like a little nugget
Speaker 1: of information, and so Brent I got there's a couple
Speaker 1: of stories that I had to order, okay, just like
Speaker 1: special order stories. Okay, so Brent Reeves, tell me about
Speaker 1: tell me about your dad. Then, uh, the coon dog
Speaker 1: they used to borrow, you borrow in air quotes. Um,
Speaker 1: when my dad and my uncle. My dad passed away,
Speaker 1: and now my uncle's still here, so I had to
Speaker 1: reassure him, and I tell this story that the Statute
Speaker 1: of Limitations is out on dog mapping. But this is
Speaker 1: my dad. This This would have been in the mid fifties.
Speaker 1: My dad was probably twelve or thirteen years old, and
Speaker 1: my uncle, Jimmy Ray would would have been he's a
Speaker 1: few years younger. And they loved the coon hunt. And
Speaker 1: there was a man lived down the road who had
Speaker 1: a good coon dog. He also had a good job
Speaker 1: and so instead of coon hunting all night, he would work,
Speaker 1: you know, he were he he go to bed early
Speaker 1: here Colliday and go to bed early, and he'd hunts
Speaker 1: some on the weekends. But he had a real good dog,
Speaker 1: and apparently my dad and uncle thought that dog was
Speaker 1: going to waste just laying out laying out there in
Speaker 1: the yard. Coon hads were pretty valuable during that time too,
Speaker 1: and they would go hunting with this man. But they
Speaker 1: treat a coon and killed a coon that man gets
Speaker 1: it's his dog. You know, he's shooting it there just
Speaker 1: the little boys going with him. So you couldn't expect
Speaker 1: him to give him a coon ads and you probably
Speaker 1: wouldn't have expected him steal a dog during the week,
Speaker 1: but that's what they started doing. They would slip up
Speaker 1: there after after he went to bed, and old dog
Speaker 1: was tied up on the chain in the backyard. And
Speaker 1: you said there was a night light, you could see him, said,
Speaker 1: the old dog had to sit up. He would look
Speaker 1: at them. They'd slip up there and they'd hide the
Speaker 1: edge of the woods and they take turns. One of
Speaker 1: them would go up there and take the collar off
Speaker 1: the dog put the collar back just the way it
Speaker 1: was like the dog has slipped the collar. The dog
Speaker 1: would follow him. They go out in the woods, they tree,
Speaker 1: they go coon hunting. They got tired, they go back
Speaker 1: home and they just let the dog go and he
Speaker 1: would go back and get in that and get in
Speaker 1: the dog house. The next morning, man wake up, go
Speaker 1: out there and feed his dog. He's laying in the
Speaker 1: house and there's the collar he is hooked back just
Speaker 1: like it was. He's slipping that collar. You know this
Speaker 1: dad come dog. He said they did that for a week,
Speaker 1: but every other night they did that. The last night
Speaker 1: they went up there to do it, probably the third
Speaker 1: or fourth time, he said, I send my little brother
Speaker 1: up there. My uncle listen Dad telling the story, saying,
Speaker 1: little brother goes up there, and he crawls up there
Speaker 1: to cut the dog loose, and he comes crawling back
Speaker 1: real fast. And that's I thought. Maybe the man who
Speaker 1: woke up was coming outside, and he said, what's wrong.
Speaker 1: He said, we don't. We don't hunted this dog to death.
Speaker 1: And he said, well, you means he can't. We don't
Speaker 1: made him sick, he can't breathe. He said, he's just hot,
Speaker 1: he's got pneumonia, he's coughing. And that's how I go
Speaker 1: up there and fix it, you know. So he crawls
Speaker 1: up there and said closer he got, the more we
Speaker 1: could hear that dog. He was struggling to breathe, and're like,
Speaker 1: what in the world we have towards this DOGA we
Speaker 1: have broke this dog. But but he crawled up there
Speaker 1: to get a better look. And that collar was so
Speaker 1: tight on that dog. He said, if they would have
Speaker 1: took him that night, he don't think he would have
Speaker 1: been able to swallow and get a drag of water
Speaker 1: the next the next night, so that the guy, the
Speaker 1: man was tighten in that collar up every night that
Speaker 1: dog was sleeping and senting it down one and after
Speaker 1: the sent down, so they if I recall, it was
Speaker 1: a blue tick, it was a shocker. It was a
Speaker 1: blue tick. Man. That's great. Perfect, Hey, now for the
Speaker 1: uh y'all, y'all like these introductory stories. Yes, this is great.
Speaker 1: And I didn't even tell the real story about Forest
Speaker 1: losing my tripod on the side of the mountain of Odaho.
Speaker 1: That's the main thing that I've ribbed Forest about since
Speaker 1: twenty for half a decade. So okay, listen, here's a
Speaker 1: treasure hunt for you. If somebody can go bring me
Speaker 1: back my tripod, they get a spot on the Bear
Speaker 1: Grease Friender, no doubt right there. If you if you
Speaker 1: can find and I would identify it and I would
Speaker 1: just be honest about it. If you can tell me
Speaker 1: on a map where that was. And this excludes everybody
Speaker 1: who was involved in the hunt because there was a
Speaker 1: houndsman involved. I will fly you to Arkansas to be
Speaker 1: on the Bear Grease podcast. If you can return that
Speaker 1: tripod to me. We we treat this lyon and we
Speaker 1: come off the mountain. There was a terrible hike up,
Speaker 1: took two hours to hike up, and we come out
Speaker 1: well after dark. We're like walking in the dark. We
Speaker 1: didn't have flashlights. When we get back down to the truck.
Speaker 1: And the next day I'm like forces my cameraman, I'm like,
Speaker 1: where's the tripod And he's like, you had it and
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, I didn't have it for us. This
Speaker 1: is your job. So the tripod is still probably standing
Speaker 1: up on three loves so at the base of a
Speaker 1: big old fir tree that at one time had a
Speaker 1: line on it. Um. Yeahs got fired. He never amatted
Speaker 1: to anything. Yet does he still paid? Melay took a
Speaker 1: net loss on that me a check like a d
Speaker 1: all right, yep, yep, um, I do have to Uh.
Speaker 1: Meat Eater just came out with a Campfire Stories audio book.
Speaker 1: If you like stories like you just heard man, they
Speaker 1: went all out. It's a six hour audio book called
Speaker 1: Campfire Stories from Meat Eater. You can buy it anywhere
Speaker 1: you buy audio books. Random House is the one that
Speaker 1: officially published it, but basically, in all the Travels of
Speaker 1: Meat Eater. They gathered up lots of stories. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's like ten or fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty stories. They have the person that the story happened
Speaker 1: to eld the story. People are like super excited about it.
Speaker 1: So as of July, you can buy that book anywhere
Speaker 1: you buy audio books. You know, it's an audio books,
Speaker 1: So check that out met your camp fire Stories and
Speaker 1: you can also find that on the meat eator dot
Speaker 1: com where they have their books. It's pretty cool. There's
Speaker 1: one story. I'll give you a teaser for one story,
Speaker 1: and I heard this story directly from uh what it
Speaker 1: is from Steve Ronella. He's the one that recruited the story.
Speaker 1: But this is the way that it went is somewhere
Speaker 1: out west in one of the southwestern states, there was
Speaker 1: a poaching deal where a bunch of elk we're getting
Speaker 1: killed and they were being shot with small caliber rifles
Speaker 1: and not recovered, just like just like shooting an elk
Speaker 1: and just leaving it. This happened a lot, and so
Speaker 1: they called in the New Mexico Game and Fish to
Speaker 1: come in and they did all this investigation and finally
Speaker 1: they felt like they had a pin on the guy
Speaker 1: who was doing it. They didn't know who he was.
Speaker 1: They just knew like what kind of truck he drove
Speaker 1: and stuff. This game warden is out one night and
Speaker 1: he encounters the poacher and they get in a road race,
Speaker 1: just an absolute road race. Wherever they're at. It's New Mexico, Arizona.
Speaker 1: The poacher gets out ahead of him and just disappears,
Speaker 1: just out runs the game warden. The game warden comes
Speaker 1: to a y in the road and he has to
Speaker 1: make a decision on which way the poacher went. The
Speaker 1: game warden pulls into this why and there's a big
Speaker 1: mud hole, and from his truck, he decides that a
Speaker 1: car has not been through that mud hole. So he
Speaker 1: pulled up to the mud hole, and then he decides
Speaker 1: that a car hadn't been there, so he backs out
Speaker 1: and he takes the left fork. End of story. They
Speaker 1: never catch the guy. Ever. Fifteen years later, some some
Speaker 1: extended period of time later, a guy gets arrested for
Speaker 1: like a streak of murders. Perhaps it was just one
Speaker 1: or two murders, but a guy gets arrested for murder
Speaker 1: and they've got him in the interrogation room and he
Speaker 1: just starts spilling his guts about all the stuff he's
Speaker 1: ever done bad. And he tells the investigator that he
Speaker 1: killed a bunch of elk and he used to just
Speaker 1: shoot him and leave him lay like a bunch of elk.
Speaker 1: So this is recorded that this man said this. Well,
Speaker 1: they go ahead and contact the game and fish and say, hey,
Speaker 1: we got a guy here that's about to go to
Speaker 1: prison for murder that says he killed a bunch of elk.
Speaker 1: The game warden, who's still a game warden, goes and says, well,
Speaker 1: I'd like to interview. The guy goes, and this is again.
Speaker 1: This is years later, maybe decades later. The guy, the
Speaker 1: game warden is sitting across from this murderer and says,
Speaker 1: tell me about your elk, and the guy just starts
Speaker 1: laying out all the places he killed elk. And this
Speaker 1: this game warden knows that this is the guy he
Speaker 1: was after for all those years. He doesn't tell him.
Speaker 1: The guy then says, one of your boys almost got killed.
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know he said he said it.
Speaker 1: He said, basically, I spared one of your boys lives
Speaker 1: one night back and he told where it was. And
Speaker 1: the guy goes, tell me more, and he says, I've
Speaker 1: gotten a game board and started chasing me down the road.
Speaker 1: Came to a why I went through the mud hole
Speaker 1: because I knew that the guy would be able to
Speaker 1: tell that I went through the mud hole. He went
Speaker 1: through the mud hole, turned his truck into the woods,
Speaker 1: got out and had an oozy and he was shooting
Speaker 1: those elk with an oozy. And he said, I got
Speaker 1: behind a bush about five ft after that mud hole,
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there and when he and when
Speaker 1: that officer came to the mud hole, I was gonna
Speaker 1: just mow him down. Wow. And the game warden is
Speaker 1: the one who was in the truck. It's setting there
Speaker 1: interviewing the guy. And uh, and he never told him.
Speaker 1: He never he never said it was me, but uh,
Speaker 1: it was. It's just a hair raising, didn't him. Wait,
Speaker 1: he didn't to the mud hole, and this trained game
Speaker 1: warden clearly he perceived that no car had driven through
Speaker 1: the mud so he turned around and went the other way.
Speaker 1: But if it was anyway, it appeared to me he
Speaker 1: was close enough to shoot you. Well, just the way
Speaker 1: it worked out, like the guy was gonna just wait
Speaker 1: until he came right past him and just shoot him.
Speaker 1: Was that same grandma that was sweeping the floor. It
Speaker 1: was the guy from East Tennesse. So that's the kind
Speaker 1: of stories that are on. That's just one of them.
Speaker 1: And there's like the firefighters almost getting killed with fires
Speaker 1: coming in on them, people getting saved from drowning, lots
Speaker 1: of hypothermia stories. Wild hypothermia is like, you ain't gonna
Speaker 1: get one of them stories from in here today. It's
Speaker 1: a little warm, and the hypothermia stories are like really wild. Um,
Speaker 1: people do start doing crazy stuff like terminal I've heard
Speaker 1: Steve talk about terminal burrowing. When people get hyper hypothermia,
Speaker 1: they feel like they can dig into the ground and
Speaker 1: just ball up, and they end up basically digging their
Speaker 1: own grave. And there's a story about a man who
Speaker 1: did that but survived. But so camp fire stories meet.
Speaker 1: I always remember, the only thing that you get anxious
Speaker 1: about is drowning. Yeah, it's you had a close call once, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I did. The only thing I ever hear you talk
Speaker 1: about with like year in reverence, like I don't want
Speaker 1: to get in that because it's fast moving water. Man.
Speaker 1: I'll tell that story another day. Yeah. Hey, what do
Speaker 1: y'all think of Episode two? I think it's stepped up.
Speaker 1: You know, the previous ones are probably a five and
Speaker 1: a half. We're looking we're probably might even be hitting
Speaker 1: sixth territory. Now. It was pretty it was pretty racy.
Speaker 1: I have to say, yeah, yeah, i'd label that one
Speaker 1: is p G. Yeah. Hey, I don't I don't know
Speaker 1: if anybody caught it, and I don't necessarily want to
Speaker 1: bring attention to it. Did any of you guys hear
Speaker 1: a word that typically wouldn't be said in my podcast?
Speaker 1: Did you catch it? I don't think so. If Gary
Speaker 1: didn't catch it, that's all I care about to this day. I'm,
Speaker 1: you know, a grown man. All I care about is
Speaker 1: my dad not hearing somebody cuts Oh really, I didn't
Speaker 1: hear it, you man. My squirrel dogs gott a squirrel
Speaker 1: treat out here. Can y'all hear em barking? Nobody heard
Speaker 1: Mr Roy Clark call his dog? Oh, I did hear
Speaker 1: that classic name? But that I mean in that context
Speaker 1: it absolutely is okay, So y'all didn't even I don't
Speaker 1: even think about do you say jip jip jip in
Speaker 1: the terms he used. I mean that that word has
Speaker 1: been prostituted from that to be Oh. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's I didn't have any problems, but when I
Speaker 1: let Misty listen to it, she was like, oh, you
Speaker 1: get a little because I really do. I have boys.
Speaker 1: We have gained the trust of people that let their
Speaker 1: kids listen to our podcasts, and that's something I take
Speaker 1: very serious. Um. At the same time, like the podcast
Speaker 1: is not necessarily like four kids. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: gotta get this dog to be quiet. That could be
Speaker 1: of the best discussion dog market. Yeah, we've got to
Speaker 1: get that dog shut up. Um No, I take it
Speaker 1: very serious that people can. I mean, I hear it
Speaker 1: all the time, and that's what I wanted that That's
Speaker 1: that's been my issue with some other things I listened to,
Speaker 1: is like I gotta be careful with the kids in
Speaker 1: the car because I just don't want them to hear
Speaker 1: foul language or anything. And so but it makes my day.
Speaker 1: It makes it like if I go to Roy Clark's house,
Speaker 1: I want to hear him. I want to hear him
Speaker 1: say that when he's talking about his dogs. Makes my day. Why,
Speaker 1: I just I just like it. He just he just
Speaker 1: said it without skipping a beat. That I was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's normal. Yeah, absolutely normal. I just wondered if anybody
Speaker 1: caught that. No, what highlight Josh of the podcast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that the second part moonshine, NASCAR bear hunting, it
Speaker 1: was kind of racy. It was racy, and I actually
Speaker 1: didn't know all that about Now Scar, I thought that
Speaker 1: was terribly interesting. I'm trying to outrun the fuzz. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and then and then the part
Speaker 1: at the end, I don't know if you know, the
Speaker 1: whole snake handling thing. Oh, that was pretty wild. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that you know, you hear a lot about that, and uh,
Speaker 1: just to to have that around people's culture, like there
Speaker 1: were certain groups of people that that was completely normal,
Speaker 1: you know, to the to this day. Yeah. Now, he
Speaker 1: said that that started in the twentieth century, early twentieth
Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Early nineteen I want to
Speaker 1: say that the most of it started in the early
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. No, that's a purely American thing that elsewhere. No,
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He said, snake handling and churches
Speaker 1: for you know, ceremony is like new Dan. How did
Speaker 1: I handle that? Because listen, I did not want to,
Speaker 1: like I said it on the podcast, like I strongly
Speaker 1: believe in religious freedom, and uh so I wasn't like
Speaker 1: trying to say these people are crazy. I mean, man,
Speaker 1: yeah so. But but at the same time, I've been
Speaker 1: highly aware of not stereotyping people are painting a picture
Speaker 1: that is untrue because that's really easy to do. So
Speaker 1: on both podcasts, if you recall, I said, hey, I
Speaker 1: want you to know that Appalachia is a very diverse
Speaker 1: number one, it's not all white people. Number Two, it's
Speaker 1: a very modern part of the country. It's not like
Speaker 1: everybody lives in like the log cabin. I mean, you know.
Speaker 1: On the first one, I said, there's there's swanky coffee
Speaker 1: shops and targets, Supercenter. I was trying to think of
Speaker 1: the most like urban things I could think of. But
Speaker 1: but so I didn't want to stereotype the snake handling
Speaker 1: churches definitely as a stereotype, but I was very interested
Speaker 1: in that. So I talked to him, how did how
Speaker 1: did I do? I thought you handled it great. I mean,
Speaker 1: I think there's a place to say this is happening
Speaker 1: and kind of why it's happening without necessarily making a
Speaker 1: judgment call on it. But as you're exploring their culture
Speaker 1: and talking about different things. That's a especially people closely
Speaker 1: tied to the land. So much of what they do
Speaker 1: is physical, tangible activities. They don't just sit around coffee
Speaker 1: shops and talk about their feelings. They're harvest and tobacco
Speaker 1: or their bear hunting, or they're doing whatever, and this
Speaker 1: is another material manifestation of their culture in church. Um, well,
Speaker 1: if it's a yeah part of it, I mean want
Speaker 1: to skip over something that's yeah, that's there. And the
Speaker 1: other thing. I do think that it's been I do
Speaker 1: think there were times when that was probably more authentically
Speaker 1: done and then some of this new stuff and I've
Speaker 1: not I've seen small documentaries on it, and it's just
Speaker 1: to me, it's just clear that this is since like
Speaker 1: they're trying to look sensational, and I mean, I think
Speaker 1: we have the right to at least say what we
Speaker 1: think as I and so that I didn't. I didn't
Speaker 1: want to foster that, like, but at the same time,
Speaker 1: there was parts of it that were that were pretty interesting.
Speaker 1: At some point that probably started with some form of
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine, but like kind of good or
Speaker 1: even neutral intentions, and then it became you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna, Dad, did you ever hear
Speaker 1: about snake Hamlin churches everywhere? Did you ever? Did they ever?
Speaker 1: Did you ever know that to be done? And the
Speaker 1: in Arkansas? No, no, no, only on documentaries that you
Speaker 1: see on TV, and uh, very intriguing. And the thing
Speaker 1: that intrigued me, if I understood it right, was people
Speaker 1: that would go document the stuff sometimes would get caught
Speaker 1: up in that movement and I'm like, going, you gotta
Speaker 1: be kidding me. So there is tremendous power in this activity,
Speaker 1: be whatever power it comes from. I mean it captivated
Speaker 1: educated people kind of like a Stockholm syndrome. You know,
Speaker 1: where you do you when you identify with your kidnappers
Speaker 1: if you were there for such a long period of time,
Speaker 1: Like Patty Hurst is a famous example of that. She
Speaker 1: was kidnapped by some faction. Uh. Grant's a granddaughter to
Speaker 1: the hearst fortunate thing and she was with him so long,
Speaker 1: uh that she started helping him rob Banks like deal
Speaker 1: me in boys. I mean, well, I mean you see
Speaker 1: it everywhere also that you know people are it's almost
Speaker 1: like a high they get from doing things that are
Speaker 1: life threatening. Sky divers and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think it people experience that sensation of of encountering
Speaker 1: a life threatening situation and walking away in scathe. The
Speaker 1: old saying is you never live until you almost die,
Speaker 1: and I think Tim McGraw said that, but I mean
Speaker 1: I have on that to Yeah, Yeah, it does make
Speaker 1: sense because you've got a group of people. They're meeting
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm assuming weekly, they're doing it in person.
Speaker 1: It's a big group. They're engaged in a tangible physical activity.
Speaker 1: There's risk involved, but it happens in a socially sanctioned
Speaker 1: and kind of approved way, at least in their community.
Speaker 1: Just those factors right there. A lot of people in
Speaker 1: a in an urban setting are not going to have that,
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're going what they're that for them
Speaker 1: is they're going to work and they're just doing it
Speaker 1: to get paid. You know, maybe they enjoy their job,
Speaker 1: but you can you can see the draw even though
Speaker 1: you know you personally and I think, I'm I'm never
Speaker 1: gonna do that, nor would I feel the need to
Speaker 1: or condone it, but kind of socially, the mechanics make
Speaker 1: sense of it for us. What stood out to you
Speaker 1: about it? Um, I guess part of what you said
Speaker 1: about not not not necessarily Snike Canon. We can go
Speaker 1: on just the podcast in general. Probably the thing that
Speaker 1: that I really took note of the most, or I
Speaker 1: guess what kind of made me question myself and my
Speaker 1: own beliefs, was the part number one about the metaphor
Speaker 1: that your family made about Hey, if your kids were
Speaker 1: dealing meth, would you, you know, be beholding to these
Speaker 1: people that honorable to to protect those people and to
Speaker 1: not doul them. Ountain That kind of thing really stood
Speaker 1: up to me because it puts an interesting question number one,
Speaker 1: if obviously legal doesn't necessarily equal moral or ethical for
Speaker 1: that matter. So people that don't really have good opportunities
Speaker 1: to make money for their family, I mean, who's to
Speaker 1: say that any of us in that situation, Hey, we
Speaker 1: gotta put food on the table. Are we gonna run moonshine?
Speaker 1: Are we gonna do things that we normally wouldn't? Because
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, you have responsibilities to
Speaker 1: your family, and uh, you know, it's hard to say
Speaker 1: without being in that situation what you do, but it
Speaker 1: definitely kind of can pull you two different directions. So
Speaker 1: what y'all think about my grandpa's story? I want to
Speaker 1: ask that about Houston. Yeah, go ahead, No, No, what
Speaker 1: we can say, Well, you just that you mentioned that,
Speaker 1: you know that it wasn't uncommon. We have an extended
Speaker 1: family member who would have UH in the thirties when
Speaker 1: he got caught UM. He went to the federal penitentiary
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. And it's kind of a funny story
Speaker 1: how he got caught while he went to prison for
Speaker 1: um for making moonshine. The reason he got caught was
Speaker 1: a pair of overalls. And this guy was like like,
Speaker 1: this guy was like, Carl lewis Man, we're trying to
Speaker 1: we're trying overall sponsorship. Gets overalls, will sponsor this podcast
Speaker 1: more overalls than you ever knew you could make. You cannot.
Speaker 1: You couldn't kiss this guy on foot. You couldn't catch
Speaker 1: him on the more. Where did this? In South Arkansas
Speaker 1: and Cleveland County, Panther Country. He was fast, they say
Speaker 1: he was the fleet of foot. And the revenuers have
Speaker 1: tried to catch his cat two or three different times
Speaker 1: and they could And you see that I just threw
Speaker 1: that subliminal so subtle. They couldn't catch him. I mean
Speaker 1: they'd get after him, he'd outrun. Of course, he knew
Speaker 1: the woods and lay of the land. He just moved steel.
Speaker 1: And one morning they laid out there and he started.
Speaker 1: He was out there cooking, getting the fire gone, and
Speaker 1: the old morning constitution hit and they literally caught him
Speaker 1: with his overalls down. That's the only way they could
Speaker 1: catch him. I thought you were gonna says, he couldn't
Speaker 1: get him up and get gone, And that's how they
Speaker 1: called a footnote to that story. His job in the
Speaker 1: Federal Penitentiary in New Jersey wherever it was located, was
Speaker 1: making moonshine for the warden and all the admin staff.
Speaker 1: He had chickens and made whiskey in the in the aitentiary.
Speaker 1: Wow wow, wow, Dad, Okay, I vividly that you heard
Speaker 1: me tell the story. Now, we called so Houston Millsap
Speaker 1: is my mother's father. So he died when I was
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade, so that would have been like,
Speaker 1: I don't know, mid nineties he died. So I have
Speaker 1: real strong memories of we called him people people I
Speaker 1: had I have, like you know, he was like I
Speaker 1: have really vivid memories of him and and great memories
Speaker 1: of him. But he was always sick. He had a
Speaker 1: stroke and he never was well my whole life. But
Speaker 1: I vividly remember Dad telling me that, you know, Dad
Speaker 1: was looking for something good to say about about old people,
Speaker 1: and he would say he was honest to a fault.
Speaker 1: What what do you remember about Houston? Well, I remember
Speaker 1: a lot about him. I mean, uh, when I would
Speaker 1: pick Judy up when I was in college. I remember
Speaker 1: one time I was barefooted and he he'd never let
Speaker 1: me live that down. You're trying to marry my daughter.
Speaker 1: You ain't got shoes. Come on, man, Well people, I
Speaker 1: always admired him. I'll tell you to be honest with you.
Speaker 1: He was. He had a few faults, like all of
Speaker 1: us do, but he was very honest. He didn't try
Speaker 1: to hide anything. He was up front. And when I
Speaker 1: go back to a sixteen year old boy and some
Speaker 1: of the stuff you've already talked about, forced alluded to
Speaker 1: it a little bit. But you know, if if you're
Speaker 1: in a moonshine culture in your uncle's, your aunts, your dad,
Speaker 1: your mother, your I mean, you're gonna run moonshine. I
Speaker 1: mean it's just that simple. I don't care if it's
Speaker 1: Billy Graham, He's gonna run some moonshine because it's it's
Speaker 1: in your little culture that's okay, and and the penalty
Speaker 1: is going to prison. You know. So anyway, he paul Um.
Speaker 1: You know, the culture that he was raised up in
Speaker 1: was you don't squill on anybody. You know. The culture
Speaker 1: I was raised up in was don't get involved in
Speaker 1: stuff that you gotta worry about you. So to me,
Speaker 1: it's like a big deal. But you know, hey, I
Speaker 1: was in this other little culture. So hey, he ain't
Speaker 1: gonna squill. And I admired him for it. You know,
Speaker 1: I forget this mess stuff you're talking about. I mean,
Speaker 1: in his situation back then, it's you know, it's really
Speaker 1: easy to go back thirty forty years and criticize people
Speaker 1: the people doing to criticize, and if they were there,
Speaker 1: they'd be doing the same stuff. Historical revision is what's
Speaker 1: that's called. That's what it's called. Well people was a
Speaker 1: fine man, tell you he had a fine family. And
Speaker 1: me mall was like the Queen of Queens. I mean,
Speaker 1: this lady was unbelievable. And for her to pick people,
Speaker 1: and I mean so Natalie was like, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I want to I want to justify why I said
Speaker 1: what I said. I stand by a dent of what
Speaker 1: you said, Like, I think it was honorable that he
Speaker 1: didn't write them out. Both two women in my life
Speaker 1: that are very influential told me the same story separately.
Speaker 1: You know, my mom said, I understand. Mom said, hey,
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's something to be celebrated, and
Speaker 1: and they were a little bit hesitant to me telling
Speaker 1: the story, and uh, but I I just had to
Speaker 1: tell the story, and uh, and I did take the
Speaker 1: most feedback that I got, specific feedback was people saying
Speaker 1: that it wasn't fair to compare moonshine to meth. And
Speaker 1: I I'm a hundred percent on board with us because
Speaker 1: because math has never been legal and and you know,
Speaker 1: there was just a short period in human history but
Speaker 1: where making liquor was illegal, you know, And so basically
Speaker 1: basically they're like clay, that's not apples to apples, because
Speaker 1: meth is like, I mean, it's possible to you know,
Speaker 1: consume alcohol and be and not be a drug head.
Speaker 1: I mean like, but if you're doing any kind of math,
Speaker 1: you're in big trouble. So I get that. And I
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to make a heart. I was just trying
Speaker 1: to because that was a new thought to me. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: And you know, just because I'm saying it doesn't make
Speaker 1: it right. That's just what I believe. And you're not
Speaker 1: gonna change my mind. Now. One other thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to say, and I did not have the opportunity when
Speaker 1: when when Roy said, my dad, my grandpa, my uncle
Speaker 1: and their friends stayed drunk all the time. I mean
Speaker 1: that like, set me back. So you look at generations
Speaker 1: of people. I had a guy to do this one
Speaker 1: time for a group of people. He said, Uncle so
Speaker 1: and so raised his family this way, and look what happened.
Speaker 1: Uncle so and so did it this way, and look
Speaker 1: what happened. And he drew it down he went through.
Speaker 1: So most of the people in that group might have
Speaker 1: followed the uncle dad. And then then you see this
Speaker 1: destruction women's children, families. Then you've got guys like Roy
Speaker 1: Clark that goes, hey, man, I don't want any part
Speaker 1: of that. My grandmother would say, she would not let
Speaker 1: me look at this, right, She would not put a
Speaker 1: thief in her mouth to steal her brains. My dad said,
Speaker 1: is okay, let him run around in there a little bit,
Speaker 1: just don't take the handcuffs. So yeah, you carry. What
Speaker 1: I really liked is that moment where Roy is and
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact details, but he's talking uh
Speaker 1: to you. But in the room is the grandson of
Speaker 1: the the gentleman who wrote him the Valentine and said
Speaker 1: and and from what I from what I got was
Speaker 1: that the Roy in that moment looked over at that
Speaker 1: grandson and basically affirmed him and said, this guy's a
Speaker 1: stand up guy no matter what. And that to me
Speaker 1: is the embodiment of of what you're saying, Gary, which
Speaker 1: is like Roy decided he's going to do it different
Speaker 1: and as he looked around at him and he saw
Speaker 1: a man doing something right, man, I affirmed that and
Speaker 1: that guy he's what did he say about he said?
Speaker 1: He he said that boy right there, I won't leave you.
Speaker 1: And I loved him for it. And you know, think
Speaker 1: about all those men who had left Roy, and he said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that way. And then he's
Speaker 1: now looking at the younger generations and saying yes to
Speaker 1: that and and in it, you know, at the same
Speaker 1: time he's saying no to something else, which is I
Speaker 1: think one of the things that I saw in Mr
Speaker 1: Roy is that, um, you know, it really wasn't about
Speaker 1: the drinking or not drinking. He had an awareness of
Speaker 1: patterns that he chose to steer clear of. He said,
Speaker 1: I know, I know that that you know, and I
Speaker 1: really don't think and I know. For me, it's not
Speaker 1: about drinking or not drinking, it's about understanding how the
Speaker 1: patterns are and generation generational continuance. I believe someone can
Speaker 1: can drink moderately and have great kids, but you have
Speaker 1: to be aware. It really comes down to awareness. So
Speaker 1: I appreciated the fact that because because he had to
Speaker 1: see something in them that he didn't want and adjust
Speaker 1: his life according and in Mr Roy did something that's
Speaker 1: very hard. He he broke something that was not common
Speaker 1: for people to be able to break, like to be
Speaker 1: able to have that kind of awareness and just do
Speaker 1: it ninety degree turn. And hey, that's the reason that
Speaker 1: podcast is about Roy Clark. I had I had a
Speaker 1: few one person particular that wrote me and and and
Speaker 1: he missed the whole point of everything I was doing
Speaker 1: because he tried to tell me that there were better
Speaker 1: bear hunters than Roy Clark that I could have done
Speaker 1: a podcast with. And I mean and I I took
Speaker 1: liberty to like, smack the guy upside the head really did.
Speaker 1: It wasn't somebody I knew it was like, because I
Speaker 1: was just like, basically, I feel the liberty to highlight
Speaker 1: like nobody's perfect. I mean like James Lawrence isn't perfect,
Speaker 1: Roy Clark getting perfect, Gary nuclemtting perfect. But the people
Speaker 1: that I highlight have some level of character and that
Speaker 1: is something that I that I deeply value. Identified so
Speaker 1: much with what he was talking about and how emotion
Speaker 1: emotionally got I was talking. I got a friend in England,
Speaker 1: Adam Deane, that listens to the podcast. This guy has
Speaker 1: such a passion for all the stuff that we do.
Speaker 1: And there are no coons in the United Kingdom. There
Speaker 1: ain't enough coon dogs in England to fill up that
Speaker 1: dog pin right out there, but he absolutely loves it.
Speaker 1: And he and I were talking the other day back
Speaker 1: and forth, and he said, he said, you know, you
Speaker 1: described coon hunting so eloquently to me, and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to hear this back. What did I say?
Speaker 1: He said, well, you told me that you know, coon
Speaker 1: hunting wasn't coon huntan wasn't at the tree. Coon hunting
Speaker 1: was everything before and everything after and and he's right,
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's me sitting out in the backyard
Speaker 1: with my watching my coon dog and my little girl
Speaker 1: run around the backyard, or my wife come home from
Speaker 1: Texas Hill day with a bow tie for this dog
Speaker 1: to wherever, and this dog is just that's the whole thing,
Speaker 1: the whole embodiment of it. And that's what I got
Speaker 1: out of Mr Roy's passion and how emotionally was about it. Man,
Speaker 1: I get it. And if you get it, the guy
Speaker 1: that wrote you the story or the roads that note
Speaker 1: about there are better bear hunters out there. There may
Speaker 1: be more successful in numbers of bear hunters out there, probably,
Speaker 1: but they probably ain't no better one than that. And
Speaker 1: he missed what I appreciated about Roy. So I went
Speaker 1: back from an old podcast like that. I took that
Speaker 1: that conversation out of context and played it. And Roy
Speaker 1: never gave a second thought to him breaking down into
Speaker 1: tears in front of There were twenty people in that room.
Speaker 1: Like in the podcast, there were four guys that had
Speaker 1: headsets on. There were twenty people. There was like a
Speaker 1: live recording like neighbors, grandkids and they and and I
Speaker 1: actually thought, you know, I wonder if Roy is gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: don't put that on there. That embarrassed me. It never
Speaker 1: occurred to him, like he just he just is what
Speaker 1: he is. And that's that's powerful, especially in a culture
Speaker 1: that defines manhood and all these false ways. I mean
Speaker 1: for a man, for a grown man to be able
Speaker 1: to look across the room and call somebody out and
Speaker 1: break into tears and then immediately jump back into talking
Speaker 1: about bear dogs. To me, that's where does that happen?
Speaker 1: Emotion like, that's that's that's good. Well, that granted the
Speaker 1: sun the guy that got on there and it said,
Speaker 1: see how important it is to us. Put in that
Speaker 1: same position, I could see that guy doing the same thing.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we just scripted out for everybody in that
Speaker 1: room that looked up to him that hey, this is
Speaker 1: it's okay too. It's okay to cry, it's okay to
Speaker 1: have to express affection for someone, and not just it's okay,
Speaker 1: but as Roy Clark, I am a man, and this
Speaker 1: is how you be a man. It's not just permit,
Speaker 1: it's not okay you can do that, but if you're
Speaker 1: gonna be a man, this is how you be a man.
Speaker 1: Another thing He said that it's similar to what you
Speaker 1: know Gary about maybe the negative side to keep him
Speaker 1: people around, but I liked it anyway. He said, you know,
Speaker 1: if this is a if you want to have, if
Speaker 1: you want to make money, this is a terrible place
Speaker 1: to live and do life. But if you want to
Speaker 1: have a close family, and I'm paraphrasing what he said,
Speaker 1: he said, I believe there's no better place in the world.
Speaker 1: And I think just that value of he knows what's
Speaker 1: important to him, and he goes about building his family
Speaker 1: that way, and so he structured his life in particular
Speaker 1: ways to make that happen. That's the that's the ninety
Speaker 1: degree turn from the popular culture, which is what you're
Speaker 1: gonna you. You gotta get it an education, and you
Speaker 1: gotta get a job, and you gotta get a two
Speaker 1: car garage. And I mean I've got to I've got
Speaker 1: a ton of education, but I still want to have
Speaker 1: a family. You know, Well, it was Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought Dr Dr Pierce did a
Speaker 1: good job of showing a balanced perspective. Dr Pierce has
Speaker 1: a book called um Corn, Uh, what's it called? Corn
Speaker 1: from a Corn from a Jar? Corn from a Jar?
Speaker 1: And it's about moonshiners. And he says in the book
Speaker 1: that his point was too humanize moonshiners, which was interesting
Speaker 1: because I came into it not wanting to glorify it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell the story. And Uh, and
Speaker 1: he I think he gave a really balanced, good view,
Speaker 1: like you'd learned something listening to that. I thought he
Speaker 1: did a good job. The NASCAR stuff was cool anyway.
Speaker 1: The podcast to me, I mean, I loved it. What's
Speaker 1: so cool about this is I'm I'm researching the stuff
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in. So like I could have made
Speaker 1: that podcast and like nobody heard it and me just
Speaker 1: listen to it, and I would have. I would have
Speaker 1: loved it. It's like all all stuff, but I'm like
Speaker 1: super interested in. But the big question is, would you
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast The Render with these stories? Of course,
Speaker 1: get your guitar out, all right, what are you gonna
Speaker 1: what are you gonna sing? Us? Well, I hope my
Speaker 1: guitar is still in tune, first of all. But I
Speaker 1: picked a song that, uh has a lot of layers
Speaker 1: here relative to what we talked about and just The
Speaker 1: Render in general. This is a song written by Jimmy Driftwood,
Speaker 1: recorded by Doc Watson, nineteen sixty six. All right, let's
Speaker 1: hear what's it called. It's called Tennessee Stud. Oh, this
Speaker 1: is gonna be good round about eighteen twin. If I
Speaker 1: haven't left Tennessee very much alive, I never would admit
Speaker 1: it through the Arkansas. But if I hadn't been a
Speaker 1: riding on the Tennessee stood, I had some trouble with
Speaker 1: my sweethearts Paul, one of her brothers, was about out long,
Speaker 1: so's some of your camera wrote her a letter by
Speaker 1: my uncle, and I rode away on the Tennessee stood.
Speaker 1: The Tennessee Stud was long and lean, the color of
Speaker 1: the sun, and his eyes were green. He had the nerve,
Speaker 1: and he had the blood, and the nevil was a
Speaker 1: horse like the Tennessee Stud drifted on down into no
Speaker 1: man's land, across that river called the Rio grand I
Speaker 1: reached my horse with the spaniards full till I gotten
Speaker 1: me a skin full of SimMan and gold. Me and
Speaker 1: the gambler we couldn't agree, and we got in a
Speaker 1: fight over Tennessee. We drew our guns, and he fell
Speaker 1: with the night road away on the Tennessee. He stood
Speaker 1: Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color of the sun,
Speaker 1: and his eyes were green. He had the nerve, and
Speaker 1: he had the blood, and the never was a horse
Speaker 1: like the Tennessee. He stood, guy, just launch him as
Speaker 1: a man can be, dreaming of the girl in Tennessee.
Speaker 1: The Tennessee studs green eyes turned blue because he was
Speaker 1: a dreaming of a sweetheart too. We loped right back
Speaker 1: across our innsas whipped her brother, and I whipped her palm.
Speaker 1: That's right, no relationship. I found that girl with the
Speaker 1: golden hair, and she was riding on the Tennessee mayor
Speaker 1: Tennessee burn. Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color
Speaker 1: of the sun, and his eyes were green. He had
Speaker 1: the nerve v and he had the blood, and the
Speaker 1: never was a horse like the Tennessee. He stood stirrup
Speaker 1: to stir up, in side by side across the mountains
Speaker 1: and the valleys wide. We came to Big Muddy and
Speaker 1: we fought the other flood on the Tennessee. There in
Speaker 1: the Tennessee stud, pretty little baby on the cabin floor,
Speaker 1: a little horse cool playing around the door. I love
Speaker 1: that girl with the golden hair, and the Tennessee Studd
Speaker 1: Love the Tennessee mayor. The Tennessee stud was long and lean,
Speaker 1: the color of the sun, and his eyes were green.
Speaker 1: He and the nerve van he had the blood and
Speaker 1: then never was a horse like the Tennessee right on
Speaker 1: the awesome. That's right, perfect, perfect, That is a heck
Speaker 1: of a song. You know, so many layers grin from
Speaker 1: ear to ear every time I hear Arkansas, and so
Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot help it. I'm like, I love it.
Speaker 1: When you told me pick one, how one of mine?
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, the one equines Arkansas. Tennessee's
Speaker 1: hard to ram Arkansas. Well, hey, thanks a ton, guys,
Speaker 1: Thank each and every one of you. This has been
Speaker 1: a good render. And keep the wild places wild because
Speaker 1: that's where the bears live and that's where we get beared. Groups.
Speaker 1: I hear your best out hood, Josh. I feel so
Speaker 1: bad going after Brent because that's a good I'm glad
Speaker 1: going okay, yeah, okay, Gary, don't let me down for
Speaker 1: that's that's good. That's I can do anything. That's the
Speaker 1: best one yet, that's okay. Next time trying out next time,