WEBVTT - Ep. 11: Bear Grease [Render] - Moonshiners and the Land Bridge

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. My name is Claim Nukeleman. This is a production

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<v Speaker 1>of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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<v Speaker 1>where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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<v Speaker 1>scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. All right, welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the bear Grease Render. Before I get into introductions,

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<v Speaker 1>which I am going to do, I uh, I've got

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<v Speaker 1>to I've got to admit we've got some major problems.

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<v Speaker 1>Major problems. I still have grown men almost every day

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<v Speaker 1>sending me pictures of panthers, of large black cats. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't see what the problem is. When are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>stop ignoring the evidence? Listen, listen, listen. They send me

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<v Speaker 1>pictures and like, don't say anything. It's like a picture

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<v Speaker 1>and it's like clearly a real black large cat. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's as if they're saying, Clay, do you not get

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<v Speaker 1>it that there are such things as black panthers? Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>What my point is I am I am highly aware

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<v Speaker 1>that there are large black cats in the world. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And if what I am saying is that there is

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<v Speaker 1>no such thing as a black mountain line, you're saying,

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<v Speaker 1>please stop. For the love of human No, I did.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually did get a really good uh guy now

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<v Speaker 1>this this I appreciate. A guy sent me a video

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<v Speaker 1>yesterday and he gave no explanation. Was just a video

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<v Speaker 1>on Instagram. It was his grandmother And I didn't, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't it was someone I didn't know. It was this picture.

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<v Speaker 1>It was this video of this like perfect southern grandmother.

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<v Speaker 1>And she's sweeping in her little kitchen and you know

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<v Speaker 1>the decor in the house. You could have just walked

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<v Speaker 1>in there, any one of us, and which has been like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is my grandmother's house. Yeah, And and she is

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<v Speaker 1>telling a story and clearly doesn't know she's being videoed,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's telling a story about a black panther. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>just like, I mean, just giving this guy the what for,

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<v Speaker 1>Just like your grandfather was he was hunting over here,

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<v Speaker 1>and she's sweeping, She's got her back to the camp.

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<v Speaker 1>She's sweeping and and a black panther walked out and

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<v Speaker 1>she saw it. And I saw the tale of a

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<v Speaker 1>black panther one time. And I mean she's just like,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's no room for like was it true?

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<v Speaker 1>Was it not? It was just like this is the truth. No,

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<v Speaker 1>no explanation from the guy. He just sent me to

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<v Speaker 1>pick this video of his grandmother as if to say,

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<v Speaker 1>you wrong, Clayton calling my grandmother. And then I went

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<v Speaker 1>to the guy's profile and shout out to him. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>he was from he was from East Tennessee. Appreciate I

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<v Speaker 1>appreciated that a lot. No. Welcome to the burglary surrender.

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<v Speaker 1>I've got uh, I've got to my left, Brent Reeves,

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<v Speaker 1>who is going to give I'm gonna ask him to

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<v Speaker 1>do something here in a minute. To his directory. To

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<v Speaker 1>his left, Joshua Spillmaker. Josh Um there was the land

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<v Speaker 1>Bridge is catching on shirt my own hat. Many people

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<v Speaker 1>start hashtag can land Bridge. I'm I'm going to put

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<v Speaker 1>a picture of Josh Spillmaker on my Instagram just to

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<v Speaker 1>show you guys what I'm talking about. I'm getting a tattoo. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Josh's left is doctor Daniel Rupe. Welcome, Dr Rupe, good

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<v Speaker 1>to be here, Good to see you. And hey back

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<v Speaker 1>from where he was My dad, Gary newcom Good to

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<v Speaker 1>see dad. Yeah. Dad has been known to almost daily

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<v Speaker 1>send me videos of black feline. I think he understands

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<v Speaker 1>what I'm talking about. Hey, we got a new we

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<v Speaker 1>got a new guest on the render. This is exciting,

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<v Speaker 1>This is exciting. News especially we have a new a

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<v Speaker 1>new guest, and I want all of you to feel

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<v Speaker 1>the pressure of this. Okay, man, this is becoming like chopped.

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<v Speaker 1>There are don't see you know, you know where they

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<v Speaker 1>lined up the chefs and like like they critiqued them

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<v Speaker 1>and they and it's like chopped. Okay, and we're not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna say you know who's not here today? Um, but

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<v Speaker 1>no pressure whatsoever, you know what? This is really sad.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason we have to limit the number of people

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<v Speaker 1>in this room is because of technical issues. I've got

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<v Speaker 1>six headsets. No I here's what exactly what I did.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Josh and Malachi are like, uh, such good friends

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<v Speaker 1>of mine. I even I messaged them both Daniel. I

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<v Speaker 1>messaged them both on a on a on a message

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<v Speaker 1>and said, hey, boys, I really want my my friend

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not gonna say his name yet to come to

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<v Speaker 1>the render. Would one of you guys be willing to

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<v Speaker 1>not come to graciously out? Do you know? The first

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<v Speaker 1>test text message I got was Josh filmmakers saying it

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<v Speaker 1>ain't gonna be me. I'm dead serious, he was like,

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<v Speaker 1>and so actually sent him a meme of of h

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<v Speaker 1>Dana Carvey doing doing the George Bush not gonna do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and so Malick I picked up his phone like an

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<v Speaker 1>hour later. It was like, well, okay, I guess I

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<v Speaker 1>won't up. Yeah he was. Oh no, so our new

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<v Speaker 1>guest is Forest Teeter name, what a name? Appreciate it? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt my country singer, country singer. I'm glad you

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<v Speaker 1>still have a mustache for us, because I have some

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<v Speaker 1>serious I would if I could grow one. This is like,

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<v Speaker 1>I feel kind of oppressed by this room right now.

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<v Speaker 1>He and I. You know, I got something in common here,

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<v Speaker 1>but the only clean shaving ones. I ain't got much

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<v Speaker 1>to show here. Really, you're the only two that actually

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<v Speaker 1>held real jobs in your life. Dude into it. Hey, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>me and Forest have a very complicated web of relationship. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>because no, how old are you for us? I told

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<v Speaker 1>him you were thirty? Really? Yeah? So we uh we

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<v Speaker 1>met after I killed my first black bear. I sent

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<v Speaker 1>him in bear from Uh. It was it was during

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<v Speaker 1>the time when I was recruiting stories for for Arkansas

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<v Speaker 1>Black Bear Association and this kid killed the spar and

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<v Speaker 1>so I was like, hey, dude, would you like to

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<v Speaker 1>write a story for you? I was in eleventh grade,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was like I was like, man, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be famous. That's almost ten years ago, probably years ago. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the story continues. So we become buddies because he writes

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<v Speaker 1>this story, you know, just like kind of like social

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<v Speaker 1>media buddies. And then you killed a big deer. He

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<v Speaker 1>killed a hundred sixty in deer a pan of where

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<v Speaker 1>that was, he killed a hundred sixty inches dear. I said, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>how about we do a story on this deer? Now

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<v Speaker 1>did you write this story? I did the story. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>So he comes up here and he brings his dad

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<v Speaker 1>and we we have a great time and hit it off.

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<v Speaker 1>About that time, I needed somebody to go with me

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<v Speaker 1>to Idaho to film a mountain lion hunt. And so

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know you went on that trip I did.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just it was just like the right moment.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like, man, I bet, I bet Forest would

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<v Speaker 1>like to go with me to film that mountaine. I was,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a sophomore in college, so it it had

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<v Speaker 1>been a while, uh so probably twenty years old something

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<v Speaker 1>like that. I think I was more excited than you remember.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, for this, man, you read it. For this,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm so I'm so excited. He's like, and he

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<v Speaker 1>remember he told me at one point he was like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I need you to weigh your expectations. Just a very

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<v Speaker 1>you know, level headed thing to say, but I need

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<v Speaker 1>you to weigh your expectations. A lot of factors, the

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<v Speaker 1>snow and everything. It's like, all right, reel back, real

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<v Speaker 1>it in, real it in, you know, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was cool. It was so cool. Okay, we're moving

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<v Speaker 1>forward now. So we go to Idaho and have a

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<v Speaker 1>great time, and I killed a mountain line with a

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<v Speaker 1>traditional bow. We made a film that's got like six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred thousand views on Bear Hunting Magazine YouTube channel. You

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<v Speaker 1>can check it out. So Forest filmed all that and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a tough hunt. It was cold, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was really neat. Okay, the story continues. He well, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>come back to the tripod. Did you know I don't

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<v Speaker 1>I bet you don't even remember this, or maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>probably remember it. When I first had the idea of

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<v Speaker 1>starting a podcast, I talked to you being on the

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<v Speaker 1>podcast with me. He is the only person that's ever

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<v Speaker 1>straight up stiff armed me on wanting to be a

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<v Speaker 1>podcast partner. He didn't ask you to read a book.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to believe me. I want to I had

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<v Speaker 1>before I knew what podcasts were. Yeah, this would have

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<v Speaker 1>been like it was years before. I was just like

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<v Speaker 1>brainstorm and we talked about on the way to Idaho too.

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<v Speaker 1>We talked yes, and so I was like, hey, let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's start a podcast. Forest is like nope. I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it was just like Malichi Nichols when I asked him

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<v Speaker 1>if he wanted to be a partner in a boat

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<v Speaker 1>and he was like nope. I remember when I actually

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<v Speaker 1>started the Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. I was talking to

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<v Speaker 1>just randomly talking to you about it on the phone,

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<v Speaker 1>and you asked me what I was going to call it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I said I wanted to call it the Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease podcast years ago. Forest goes, now, you don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to do that. Yeah you didn't know. I mean yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but I really okay, you either just totally agreed with me.

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<v Speaker 1>I vividly remember you going, you don't want to have

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<v Speaker 1>to remark it yourself. I may have presented to you

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<v Speaker 1>Bear Hunting Magazine or Bear Grease, and I vividly remember

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<v Speaker 1>you going, now, you don't want to do that. But

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps you were agreeing maybe something I had said, because

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<v Speaker 1>and I went with Bear Hunting Magazine podcast. Hold just

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<v Speaker 1>hold on, this is going somewhere, okay, because Bear Honey

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<v Speaker 1>Magazine podcast was such direct branding. I remember you saying, now,

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<v Speaker 1>you don't want to have to like convince people or

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<v Speaker 1>tell them what bear Grease is if you're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>promote a magazine. So it's like, let's just go straightforward marketing.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Bear Honey magazine podcast. We produced Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Honey magazine. Okay. Because of that from this guy right here,

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<v Speaker 1>the bear Grease name was preserved for such a time

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<v Speaker 1>as this one time. The best dog name my family

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<v Speaker 1>ever had. Okay, you know, I've got kids, family, wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and like we talked about dogs. The best dog name

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<v Speaker 1>that we ever had was we had the idea to

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<v Speaker 1>name a dog Scout. Okay, we almost named our kids Scout,

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<v Speaker 1>but we didn't. So I go drive fifteen hours to

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<v Speaker 1>go get a plothhound and my family is like, we're

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<v Speaker 1>naming this dog Scout, and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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<v Speaker 1>whoa whoa. We don't want to use the best name

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<v Speaker 1>on a dog we know nothing about. Like, you can't

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<v Speaker 1>name the dog until you see it. You understand it,

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I don't want to use that

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<v Speaker 1>name on a dog that is going to be an

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<v Speaker 1>ill repute. Okay, we get the dog and the dog

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't work out, the dog is no longer on Newcomb Farm,

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<v Speaker 1>and he got the name Scout ruined. It are you

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<v Speaker 1>with me? The dog the dog name is ruined. We

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<v Speaker 1>can never go back and get that. That would have

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<v Speaker 1>happened if Forest Teeter hadn't told me to not name

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<v Speaker 1>my podcast Burgrease. Don't you see what I'm Okay, your

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<v Speaker 1>best dog name is Cheater. What happened to Cheater? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Cheater got stolen by some construction workers down Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well yeah, so so you you helped preserve the name

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<v Speaker 1>Bargrease for such a time as this. You see, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>so absolutely okay, all right, Forrest is in the navy.

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<v Speaker 1>So Forest has now made something of himself. He doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>just like follow around like people filming them. Forest. Uh, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>you just went to tell us about being in the navy. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>So uh, I've relatively new to the Navy. I've been

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<v Speaker 1>in two and a half years. I guess. I went

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<v Speaker 1>to officer candidate school in July of September and uh

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<v Speaker 1>native Arkansan is most y'all probably suspected. But when Tarkansas Tech,

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<v Speaker 1>and uh yeah, I just kind of decided about halfway

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<v Speaker 1>through college. Had had a good job, honestly, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of a Remember I was catching birds and

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of all over the place. Not I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>where does this trajectory go? There definitely was a future there,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's like I needed to look at something else

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, explore my options, and uh always been

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<v Speaker 1>interested in aviation, but decided I was just gonna send

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<v Speaker 1>it on trying to be a pilot in the military.

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<v Speaker 1>The Navy kind of had the lowest standards at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>which is what I need, what I needed for myself,

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<v Speaker 1>So I explored my options there got picked up in

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<v Speaker 1>uh yeah, okay for you three over here, I'm pointing

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<v Speaker 1>it Dan, Josh, and Brent. He's in the Navy and

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<v Speaker 1>that's boats and stuff, but he flies the airplane. It's

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<v Speaker 1>taking me a while to figure that out. And Clay

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<v Speaker 1>still hasn't seen top Gun. By the way, I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to throw that out there. So true story. So anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks to Gary Nuclem, he protected you from he detected

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<v Speaker 1>you from scientology standards in the bank vault. So you

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<v Speaker 1>fly like an incredible plane for the Navy, which is

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<v Speaker 1>not a small thing. They don't just let anybody fly

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<v Speaker 1>that thing, Dan, So tell us what you fly. So

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<v Speaker 1>I played the six Mercury. It's a big seven h seven,

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<v Speaker 1>big white plane. And basically the most pilots just when

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<v Speaker 1>they're describing their plane till the color. Uh, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>unique in that most military aircraft are gray, I'll say that.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's uh, basically a relay aircraft who talk to

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<v Speaker 1>the nuclear submarines that are under the water in case

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<v Speaker 1>we have missiles inbound. We can kind of provide that

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<v Speaker 1>last line of defense for the United States. So we're

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<v Speaker 1>not operating over anywhere outside of the United States. Really,

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<v Speaker 1>how many pilots fly that one plane? I think we have. Well, no,

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<v Speaker 1>like like in a plane like anywhere, to walk out

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<v Speaker 1>on the airstrip and take it up in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>would you have to have another pilot with you? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's multipilot aircraft, so generally have three on

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<v Speaker 1>board and uh, that's gonna be pilot Copott and then

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<v Speaker 1>one who can kind of change out. That's pretty impressive. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>and the other thing, this guy's a heck of a hunter, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>no doubt, good Hunter. Thank good Hunter. We're gonna have

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<v Speaker 1>Forest play some music later. Okay. We got a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of very generous comments about the rendition, most slow Foot

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<v Speaker 1>last Dad, you weren't here saying, oh, man, I to

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<v Speaker 1>you it was impressive. Yeah, yeah, especially the guy on

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<v Speaker 1>the cowbell that cow bell I had. I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>one the only like musical correction that I had was

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<v Speaker 1>on the cowbell. Somebody was like, the dude on the

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<v Speaker 1>cowbell needs to get on and then I started listening

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<v Speaker 1>to it and I was like, yeah, he's right. At

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<v Speaker 1>one point in the song, I realized I was daydreaming.

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<v Speaker 1>I had to bring it back. Oh wow. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>what we're gonna do on this podcast is we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about moonshine, NASCAR, and bear hunting the Bear Grease

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<v Speaker 1>podcast that just came out. But before we do that,

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<v Speaker 1>I totally skipped over every time I introduced all you guys,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to like give just like a little nugget

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<v Speaker 1>of information, and so Brent I got there's a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of stories that I had to order, okay, just like

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<v Speaker 1>special order stories. Okay, so Brent Reeves, tell me about

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about your dad. Then, uh, the coon dog

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<v Speaker 1>they used to borrow, you borrow in air quotes. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>when my dad and my uncle. My dad passed away,

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<v Speaker 1>and now my uncle's still here, so I had to

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<v Speaker 1>reassure him, and I tell this story that the Statute

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<v Speaker 1>of Limitations is out on dog mapping. But this is

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<v Speaker 1>my dad. This This would have been in the mid fifties.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad was probably twelve or thirteen years old, and

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle, Jimmy Ray would would have been he's a

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<v Speaker 1>few years younger. And they loved the coon hunt. And

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<v Speaker 1>there was a man lived down the road who had

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<v Speaker 1>a good coon dog. He also had a good job

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<v Speaker 1>and so instead of coon hunting all night, he would work,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, he were he he go to bed early

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<v Speaker 1>here Colliday and go to bed early, and he'd hunts

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<v Speaker 1>some on the weekends. But he had a real good dog,

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<v Speaker 1>and apparently my dad and uncle thought that dog was

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<v Speaker 1>going to waste just laying out laying out there in

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<v Speaker 1>the yard. Coon hads were pretty valuable during that time too,

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<v Speaker 1>and they would go hunting with this man. But they

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<v Speaker 1>treat a coon and killed a coon that man gets

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<v Speaker 1>it's his dog. You know, he's shooting it there just

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<v Speaker 1>the little boys going with him. So you couldn't expect

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<v Speaker 1>him to give him a coon ads and you probably

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't have expected him steal a dog during the week,

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<v Speaker 1>but that's what they started doing. They would slip up

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<v Speaker 1>there after after he went to bed, and old dog

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<v Speaker 1>was tied up on the chain in the backyard. And

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<v Speaker 1>you said there was a night light, you could see him, said,

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<v Speaker 1>the old dog had to sit up. He would look

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<v Speaker 1>at them. They'd slip up there and they'd hide the

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<v Speaker 1>edge of the woods and they take turns. One of

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<v Speaker 1>them would go up there and take the collar off

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<v Speaker 1>the dog put the collar back just the way it

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<v Speaker 1>was like the dog has slipped the collar. The dog

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<v Speaker 1>would follow him. They go out in the woods, they tree,

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<v Speaker 1>they go coon hunting. They got tired, they go back

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<v Speaker 1>home and they just let the dog go and he

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<v Speaker 1>would go back and get in that and get in

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<v Speaker 1>the dog house. The next morning, man wake up, go

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<v Speaker 1>out there and feed his dog. He's laying in the

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<v Speaker 1>house and there's the collar he is hooked back just

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<v Speaker 1>like it was. He's slipping that collar. You know this

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<v Speaker 1>dad come dog. He said they did that for a week,

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<v Speaker 1>but every other night they did that. The last night

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<v Speaker 1>they went up there to do it, probably the third

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<v Speaker 1>or fourth time, he said, I send my little brother

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<v Speaker 1>up there. My uncle listen Dad telling the story, saying,

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<v Speaker 1>little brother goes up there, and he crawls up there

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<v Speaker 1>to cut the dog loose, and he comes crawling back

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<v Speaker 1>real fast. And that's I thought. Maybe the man who

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<v Speaker 1>woke up was coming outside, and he said, what's wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, we don't. We don't hunted this dog to death.

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, well, you means he can't. We don't

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<v Speaker 1>made him sick, he can't breathe. He said, he's just hot,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got pneumonia, he's coughing. And that's how I go

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<v Speaker 1>up there and fix it, you know. So he crawls

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<v Speaker 1>up there and said closer he got, the more we

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<v Speaker 1>could hear that dog. He was struggling to breathe, and're like,

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<v Speaker 1>what in the world we have towards this DOGA we

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<v Speaker 1>have broke this dog. But but he crawled up there

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<v Speaker 1>to get a better look. And that collar was so

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<v Speaker 1>tight on that dog. He said, if they would have

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<v Speaker 1>took him that night, he don't think he would have

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<v Speaker 1>been able to swallow and get a drag of water

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<v Speaker 1>the next the next night, so that the guy, the

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<v Speaker 1>man was tighten in that collar up every night that

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<v Speaker 1>dog was sleeping and senting it down one and after

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<v Speaker 1>the sent down, so they if I recall, it was

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<v Speaker 1>a blue tick, it was a shocker. It was a

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<v Speaker 1>blue tick. Man. That's great. Perfect, Hey, now for the

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<v Speaker 1>uh y'all, y'all like these introductory stories. Yes, this is great.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't even tell the real story about Forest

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<v Speaker 1>losing my tripod on the side of the mountain of Odaho.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the main thing that I've ribbed Forest about since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty for half a decade. So okay, listen, here's a

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<v Speaker 1>treasure hunt for you. If somebody can go bring me

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<v Speaker 1>back my tripod, they get a spot on the Bear

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<v Speaker 1>Grease Friender, no doubt right there. If you if you

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<v Speaker 1>can find and I would identify it and I would

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<v Speaker 1>just be honest about it. If you can tell me

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<v Speaker 1>on a map where that was. And this excludes everybody

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<v Speaker 1>who was involved in the hunt because there was a

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<v Speaker 1>houndsman involved. I will fly you to Arkansas to be

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<v Speaker 1>on the Bear Grease podcast. If you can return that

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<v Speaker 1>tripod to me. We we treat this lyon and we

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<v Speaker 1>come off the mountain. There was a terrible hike up,

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<v Speaker 1>took two hours to hike up, and we come out

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<v Speaker 1>well after dark. We're like walking in the dark. We

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have flashlights. When we get back down to the truck.

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<v Speaker 1>And the next day I'm like forces my cameraman, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>where's the tripod And he's like, you had it and

0:21:56.800 --> 0:21:58.479
<v Speaker 1>I'm like, no, I didn't have it for us. This

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<v Speaker 1>is your job. So the tripod is still probably standing

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<v Speaker 1>up on three loves so at the base of a

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<v Speaker 1>big old fir tree that at one time had a

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<v Speaker 1>line on it. Um. Yeahs got fired. He never amatted

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<v Speaker 1>to anything. Yet does he still paid? Melay took a

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<v Speaker 1>net loss on that me a check like a d

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<v Speaker 1>all right, yep, yep, um, I do have to Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>Meat Eater just came out with a Campfire Stories audio book.

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<v Speaker 1>If you like stories like you just heard man, they

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<v Speaker 1>went all out. It's a six hour audio book called

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<v Speaker 1>Campfire Stories from Meat Eater. You can buy it anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>you buy audio books. Random House is the one that

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<v Speaker 1>officially published it, but basically, in all the Travels of

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<v Speaker 1>Meat Eater. They gathered up lots of stories. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's like ten or fifteen or

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<v Speaker 1>twenty stories. They have the person that the story happened

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<v Speaker 1>to eld the story. People are like super excited about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So as of July, you can buy that book anywhere

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<v Speaker 1>you buy audio books. You know, it's an audio books,

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<v Speaker 1>So check that out met your camp fire Stories and

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<v Speaker 1>you can also find that on the meat eator dot

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<v Speaker 1>com where they have their books. It's pretty cool. There's

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<v Speaker 1>one story. I'll give you a teaser for one story,

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<v Speaker 1>and I heard this story directly from uh what it

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<v Speaker 1>is from Steve Ronella. He's the one that recruited the story.

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<v Speaker 1>But this is the way that it went is somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>out west in one of the southwestern states, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a poaching deal where a bunch of elk we're getting

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<v Speaker 1>killed and they were being shot with small caliber rifles

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<v Speaker 1>and not recovered, just like just like shooting an elk

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<v Speaker 1>and just leaving it. This happened a lot, and so

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<v Speaker 1>they called in the New Mexico Game and Fish to

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<v Speaker 1>come in and they did all this investigation and finally

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<v Speaker 1>they felt like they had a pin on the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who was doing it. They didn't know who he was.

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<v Speaker 1>They just knew like what kind of truck he drove

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<v Speaker 1>and stuff. This game warden is out one night and

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<v Speaker 1>he encounters the poacher and they get in a road race,

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<v Speaker 1>just an absolute road race. Wherever they're at. It's New Mexico, Arizona.

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<v Speaker 1>The poacher gets out ahead of him and just disappears,

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<v Speaker 1>just out runs the game warden. The game warden comes

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<v Speaker 1>to a y in the road and he has to

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<v Speaker 1>make a decision on which way the poacher went. The

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<v Speaker 1>game warden pulls into this why and there's a big

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<v Speaker 1>mud hole, and from his truck, he decides that a

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<v Speaker 1>car has not been through that mud hole. So he

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<v Speaker 1>pulled up to the mud hole, and then he decides

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<v Speaker 1>that a car hadn't been there, so he backs out

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<v Speaker 1>and he takes the left fork. End of story. They

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<v Speaker 1>never catch the guy. Ever. Fifteen years later, some some

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<v Speaker 1>extended period of time later, a guy gets arrested for

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<v Speaker 1>like a streak of murders. Perhaps it was just one

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<v Speaker 1>or two murders, but a guy gets arrested for murder

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<v Speaker 1>and they've got him in the interrogation room and he

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<v Speaker 1>just starts spilling his guts about all the stuff he's

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<v Speaker 1>ever done bad. And he tells the investigator that he

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<v Speaker 1>killed a bunch of elk and he used to just

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<v Speaker 1>shoot him and leave him lay like a bunch of elk.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is recorded that this man said this. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>they go ahead and contact the game and fish and say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a guy here that's about to go to

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<v Speaker 1>prison for murder that says he killed a bunch of elk.

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<v Speaker 1>The game warden, who's still a game warden, goes and says, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to interview. The guy goes, and this is again.

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<v Speaker 1>This is years later, maybe decades later. The guy, the

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<v Speaker 1>game warden is sitting across from this murderer and says,

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<v Speaker 1>tell me about your elk, and the guy just starts

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<v Speaker 1>laying out all the places he killed elk. And this

0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:05.399
<v Speaker 1>this game warden knows that this is the guy he

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<v Speaker 1>was after for all those years. He doesn't tell him.

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<v Speaker 1>The guy then says, one of your boys almost got killed.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I don't know he said he said it.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, basically, I spared one of your boys lives

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<v Speaker 1>one night back and he told where it was. And

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<v Speaker 1>the guy goes, tell me more, and he says, I've

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<v Speaker 1>gotten a game board and started chasing me down the road.

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<v Speaker 1>Came to a why I went through the mud hole

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<v Speaker 1>because I knew that the guy would be able to

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<v Speaker 1>tell that I went through the mud hole. He went

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<v Speaker 1>through the mud hole, turned his truck into the woods,

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<v Speaker 1>got out and had an oozy and he was shooting

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<v Speaker 1>those elk with an oozy. And he said, I got

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<v Speaker 1>behind a bush about five ft after that mud hole,

0:26:53.480 --> 0:26:55.640
<v Speaker 1>and I was sitting there and when he and when

0:26:55.720 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 1>that officer came to the mud hole, I was gonna

0:26:58.320 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>just mow him down. Wow. And the game warden is

0:27:03.880 --> 0:27:06.400
<v Speaker 1>the one who was in the truck. It's setting there

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>interviewing the guy. And uh, and he never told him.

0:27:12.800 --> 0:27:16.440
<v Speaker 1>He never he never said it was me, but uh,

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 1>it was. It's just a hair raising, didn't him. Wait,

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:25.080
<v Speaker 1>he didn't to the mud hole, and this trained game

0:27:25.119 --> 0:27:29.880
<v Speaker 1>warden clearly he perceived that no car had driven through

0:27:29.920 --> 0:27:32.440
<v Speaker 1>the mud so he turned around and went the other way.

0:27:32.760 --> 0:27:34.800
<v Speaker 1>But if it was anyway, it appeared to me he

0:27:34.840 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 1>was close enough to shoot you. Well, just the way

0:27:36.760 --> 0:27:39.119
<v Speaker 1>it worked out, like the guy was gonna just wait

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:41.840
<v Speaker 1>until he came right past him and just shoot him.

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Was that same grandma that was sweeping the floor. It

0:27:48.320 --> 0:27:54.640
<v Speaker 1>was the guy from East Tennesse. So that's the kind

0:27:54.640 --> 0:27:56.440
<v Speaker 1>of stories that are on. That's just one of them.

0:27:56.440 --> 0:28:00.440
<v Speaker 1>And there's like the firefighters almost getting killed with fires

0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 1>coming in on them, people getting saved from drowning, lots

0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:09.480
<v Speaker 1>of hypothermia stories. Wild hypothermia is like, you ain't gonna

0:28:09.480 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 1>get one of them stories from in here today. It's

0:28:11.800 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>a little warm, and the hypothermia stories are like really wild. Um,

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:26.280
<v Speaker 1>people do start doing crazy stuff like terminal I've heard

0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 1>Steve talk about terminal burrowing. When people get hyper hypothermia,

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:33.439
<v Speaker 1>they feel like they can dig into the ground and

0:28:33.520 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 1>just ball up, and they end up basically digging their

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:40.040
<v Speaker 1>own grave. And there's a story about a man who

0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:43.400
<v Speaker 1>did that but survived. But so camp fire stories meet.

0:28:44.400 --> 0:28:48.880
<v Speaker 1>I always remember, the only thing that you get anxious

0:28:48.880 --> 0:28:54.960
<v Speaker 1>about is drowning. Yeah, it's you had a close call once, Yeah,

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I did. The only thing I ever hear you talk

0:28:58.560 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 1>about with like year in reverence, like I don't want

0:29:01.560 --> 0:29:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to get in that because it's fast moving water. Man.

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>I'll tell that story another day. Yeah. Hey, what do

0:29:19.760 --> 0:29:23.479
<v Speaker 1>y'all think of Episode two? I think it's stepped up.

0:29:23.480 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, the previous ones are probably a five and

0:29:25.280 --> 0:29:28.560
<v Speaker 1>a half. We're looking we're probably might even be hitting

0:29:28.600 --> 0:29:33.120
<v Speaker 1>sixth territory. Now. It was pretty it was pretty racy.

0:29:33.160 --> 0:29:36.880
<v Speaker 1>I have to say, yeah, yeah, i'd label that one

0:29:36.960 --> 0:29:40.160
<v Speaker 1>is p G. Yeah. Hey, I don't I don't know

0:29:40.200 --> 0:29:42.600
<v Speaker 1>if anybody caught it, and I don't necessarily want to

0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:44.360
<v Speaker 1>bring attention to it. Did any of you guys hear

0:29:44.640 --> 0:29:47.840
<v Speaker 1>a word that typically wouldn't be said in my podcast?

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:51.720
<v Speaker 1>Did you catch it? I don't think so. If Gary

0:29:51.760 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't catch it, that's all I care about to this day. I'm,

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:56.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, a grown man. All I care about is

0:29:56.680 --> 0:30:01.320
<v Speaker 1>my dad not hearing somebody cuts Oh really, I didn't

0:30:01.320 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>hear it, you man. My squirrel dogs gott a squirrel

0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.760
<v Speaker 1>treat out here. Can y'all hear em barking? Nobody heard

0:30:08.840 --> 0:30:12.640
<v Speaker 1>Mr Roy Clark call his dog? Oh, I did hear

0:30:12.640 --> 0:30:19.240
<v Speaker 1>that classic name? But that I mean in that context

0:30:20.440 --> 0:30:23.960
<v Speaker 1>it absolutely is okay, So y'all didn't even I don't

0:30:23.960 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 1>even think about do you say jip jip jip in

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:34.840
<v Speaker 1>the terms he used. I mean that that word has

0:30:34.880 --> 0:30:38.800
<v Speaker 1>been prostituted from that to be Oh. Yeah, yeah, no,

0:30:38.920 --> 0:30:41.000
<v Speaker 1>it's it's I didn't have any problems, but when I

0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.280
<v Speaker 1>let Misty listen to it, she was like, oh, you

0:30:43.360 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 1>get a little because I really do. I have boys.

0:30:47.840 --> 0:30:50.160
<v Speaker 1>We have gained the trust of people that let their

0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:52.880
<v Speaker 1>kids listen to our podcasts, and that's something I take

0:30:53.000 --> 0:30:56.920
<v Speaker 1>very serious. Um. At the same time, like the podcast

0:30:57.000 --> 0:31:00.480
<v Speaker 1>is not necessarily like four kids. I mean, and I

0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:03.400
<v Speaker 1>gotta get this dog to be quiet. That could be

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 1>of the best discussion dog market. Yeah, we've got to

0:31:09.000 --> 0:31:12.440
<v Speaker 1>get that dog shut up. Um No, I take it

0:31:12.560 --> 0:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>very serious that people can. I mean, I hear it

0:31:16.000 --> 0:31:17.600
<v Speaker 1>all the time, and that's what I wanted that That's

0:31:17.680 --> 0:31:20.800
<v Speaker 1>that's been my issue with some other things I listened to,

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 1>is like I gotta be careful with the kids in

0:31:22.520 --> 0:31:24.520
<v Speaker 1>the car because I just don't want them to hear

0:31:24.640 --> 0:31:28.600
<v Speaker 1>foul language or anything. And so but it makes my day.

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:31.080
<v Speaker 1>It makes it like if I go to Roy Clark's house,

0:31:31.440 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>I want to hear him. I want to hear him

0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 1>say that when he's talking about his dogs. Makes my day. Why,

0:31:37.400 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>I just I just like it. He just he just

0:31:41.920 --> 0:31:44.400
<v Speaker 1>said it without skipping a beat. That I was like, oh, yeah,

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 1>that's normal. Yeah, absolutely normal. I just wondered if anybody

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:52.120
<v Speaker 1>caught that. No, what highlight Josh of the podcast. Yeah,

0:31:52.720 --> 0:31:55.720
<v Speaker 1>so that the second part moonshine, NASCAR bear hunting, it

0:31:55.840 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>was kind of racy. It was racy, and I actually

0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't know all that about Now Scar, I thought that

0:32:00.840 --> 0:32:06.280
<v Speaker 1>was terribly interesting. I'm trying to outrun the fuzz. Yeah,

0:32:06.320 --> 0:32:09.000
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, and then and then the part

0:32:09.040 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>at the end, I don't know if you know, the

0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.960
<v Speaker 1>whole snake handling thing. Oh, that was pretty wild. Yeah,

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>that you know, you hear a lot about that, and uh,

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:23.200
<v Speaker 1>just to to have that around people's culture, like there

0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.800
<v Speaker 1>were certain groups of people that that was completely normal,

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:29.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, to the to this day. Yeah. Now, he

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:32.000
<v Speaker 1>said that that started in the twentieth century, early twentieth

0:32:32.040 --> 0:32:35.760
<v Speaker 1>Is that what you said? Early nineteen I want to

0:32:35.760 --> 0:32:39.200
<v Speaker 1>say that the most of it started in the early

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:43.160
<v Speaker 1>nineteen hundreds. No, that's a purely American thing that elsewhere. No,

0:32:43.400 --> 0:32:46.360
<v Speaker 1>that's what he said. He said, snake handling and churches

0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:50.280
<v Speaker 1>for you know, ceremony is like new Dan. How did

0:32:50.280 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 1>I handle that? Because listen, I did not want to,

0:32:53.680 --> 0:32:56.360
<v Speaker 1>like I said it on the podcast, like I strongly

0:32:56.400 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 1>believe in religious freedom, and uh so I wasn't like

0:33:01.240 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>trying to say these people are crazy. I mean, man,

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 1>yeah so. But but at the same time, I've been

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>highly aware of not stereotyping people are painting a picture

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.120
<v Speaker 1>that is untrue because that's really easy to do. So

0:33:16.200 --> 0:33:20.000
<v Speaker 1>on both podcasts, if you recall, I said, hey, I

0:33:20.040 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 1>want you to know that Appalachia is a very diverse

0:33:24.000 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 1>number one, it's not all white people. Number Two, it's

0:33:27.240 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>a very modern part of the country. It's not like

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.520
<v Speaker 1>everybody lives in like the log cabin. I mean, you know.

0:33:33.680 --> 0:33:36.120
<v Speaker 1>On the first one, I said, there's there's swanky coffee

0:33:36.160 --> 0:33:38.840
<v Speaker 1>shops and targets, Supercenter. I was trying to think of

0:33:38.840 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the most like urban things I could think of. But

0:33:41.920 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 1>but so I didn't want to stereotype the snake handling

0:33:44.760 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 1>churches definitely as a stereotype, but I was very interested

0:33:48.400 --> 0:33:49.680
<v Speaker 1>in that. So I talked to him, how did how

0:33:49.680 --> 0:33:52.240
<v Speaker 1>did I do? I thought you handled it great. I mean,

0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a place to say this is happening

0:33:56.360 --> 0:33:59.920
<v Speaker 1>and kind of why it's happening without necessarily making a

0:34:00.080 --> 0:34:03.479
<v Speaker 1>judgment call on it. But as you're exploring their culture

0:34:03.520 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 1>and talking about different things. That's a especially people closely

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:08.880
<v Speaker 1>tied to the land. So much of what they do

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.840
<v Speaker 1>is physical, tangible activities. They don't just sit around coffee

0:34:12.840 --> 0:34:15.920
<v Speaker 1>shops and talk about their feelings. They're harvest and tobacco

0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.359
<v Speaker 1>or their bear hunting, or they're doing whatever, and this

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:25.160
<v Speaker 1>is another material manifestation of their culture in church. Um, well,

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:27.279
<v Speaker 1>if it's a yeah part of it, I mean want

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.360
<v Speaker 1>to skip over something that's yeah, that's there. And the

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.880
<v Speaker 1>other thing. I do think that it's been I do

0:34:34.000 --> 0:34:38.240
<v Speaker 1>think there were times when that was probably more authentically

0:34:38.320 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 1>done and then some of this new stuff and I've

0:34:41.000 --> 0:34:43.880
<v Speaker 1>not I've seen small documentaries on it, and it's just

0:34:44.080 --> 0:34:46.879
<v Speaker 1>to me, it's just clear that this is since like

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to look sensational, and I mean, I think

0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:53.279
<v Speaker 1>we have the right to at least say what we

0:34:53.360 --> 0:34:56.359
<v Speaker 1>think as I and so that I didn't. I didn't

0:34:56.360 --> 0:34:59.479
<v Speaker 1>want to foster that, like, but at the same time,

0:34:59.520 --> 0:35:03.680
<v Speaker 1>there was parts of it that were that were pretty interesting.

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:08.080
<v Speaker 1>At some point that probably started with some form of

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:11.000
<v Speaker 1>it's hard to imagine, but like kind of good or

0:35:11.160 --> 0:35:15.600
<v Speaker 1>even neutral intentions, and then it became you know, a

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of people are gonna, Dad, did you ever hear

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:21.520
<v Speaker 1>about snake Hamlin churches everywhere? Did you ever? Did they ever?

0:35:22.040 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Did you ever know that to be done? And the

0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:28.799
<v Speaker 1>in Arkansas? No, no, no, only on documentaries that you

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:33.000
<v Speaker 1>see on TV, and uh, very intriguing. And the thing

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.680
<v Speaker 1>that intrigued me, if I understood it right, was people

0:35:36.760 --> 0:35:40.480
<v Speaker 1>that would go document the stuff sometimes would get caught

0:35:40.560 --> 0:35:44.160
<v Speaker 1>up in that movement and I'm like, going, you gotta

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:50.920
<v Speaker 1>be kidding me. So there is tremendous power in this activity,

0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:56.440
<v Speaker 1>be whatever power it comes from. I mean it captivated

0:35:56.640 --> 0:36:00.839
<v Speaker 1>educated people kind of like a Stockholm syndrome. You know,

0:36:00.880 --> 0:36:04.600
<v Speaker 1>where you do you when you identify with your kidnappers

0:36:04.760 --> 0:36:06.839
<v Speaker 1>if you were there for such a long period of time,

0:36:06.920 --> 0:36:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Like Patty Hurst is a famous example of that. She

0:36:10.080 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 1>was kidnapped by some faction. Uh. Grant's a granddaughter to

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:20.400
<v Speaker 1>the hearst fortunate thing and she was with him so long,

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:26.439
<v Speaker 1>uh that she started helping him rob Banks like deal

0:36:26.480 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>me in boys. I mean, well, I mean you see

0:36:29.560 --> 0:36:33.640
<v Speaker 1>it everywhere also that you know people are it's almost

0:36:33.680 --> 0:36:35.920
<v Speaker 1>like a high they get from doing things that are

0:36:35.960 --> 0:36:38.840
<v Speaker 1>life threatening. Sky divers and all that kind of stuff.

0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I think it people experience that sensation of of encountering

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:48.400
<v Speaker 1>a life threatening situation and walking away in scathe. The

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 1>old saying is you never live until you almost die,

0:36:52.600 --> 0:36:59.440
<v Speaker 1>and I think Tim McGraw said that, but I mean

0:36:59.560 --> 0:37:04.799
<v Speaker 1>I have on that to Yeah, Yeah, it does make

0:37:04.800 --> 0:37:06.680
<v Speaker 1>sense because you've got a group of people. They're meeting

0:37:06.840 --> 0:37:09.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm you know, I'm assuming weekly, they're doing it in person.

0:37:09.440 --> 0:37:12.840
<v Speaker 1>It's a big group. They're engaged in a tangible physical activity.

0:37:13.200 --> 0:37:17.520
<v Speaker 1>There's risk involved, but it happens in a socially sanctioned

0:37:17.960 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>and kind of approved way, at least in their community.

0:37:22.040 --> 0:37:25.719
<v Speaker 1>Just those factors right there. A lot of people in

0:37:25.760 --> 0:37:28.439
<v Speaker 1>a in an urban setting are not going to have that,

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, they're they're going what they're that for them

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 1>is they're going to work and they're just doing it

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.600
<v Speaker 1>to get paid. You know, maybe they enjoy their job,

0:37:37.239 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 1>but you can you can see the draw even though

0:37:40.280 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 1>you know you personally and I think, I'm I'm never

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.759
<v Speaker 1>gonna do that, nor would I feel the need to

0:37:44.960 --> 0:37:49.080
<v Speaker 1>or condone it, but kind of socially, the mechanics make

0:37:49.160 --> 0:37:51.640
<v Speaker 1>sense of it for us. What stood out to you

0:37:51.640 --> 0:37:54.880
<v Speaker 1>about it? Um, I guess part of what you said

0:37:54.920 --> 0:37:57.440
<v Speaker 1>about not not not necessarily Snike Canon. We can go

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.960
<v Speaker 1>on just the podcast in general. Probably the thing that

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 1>that I really took note of the most, or I

0:38:03.120 --> 0:38:05.719
<v Speaker 1>guess what kind of made me question myself and my

0:38:05.719 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 1>own beliefs, was the part number one about the metaphor

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 1>that your family made about Hey, if your kids were

0:38:11.800 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>dealing meth, would you, you know, be beholding to these

0:38:14.280 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 1>people that honorable to to protect those people and to

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 1>not doul them. Ountain That kind of thing really stood

0:38:19.960 --> 0:38:22.279
<v Speaker 1>up to me because it puts an interesting question number one,

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:28.200
<v Speaker 1>if obviously legal doesn't necessarily equal moral or ethical for

0:38:28.239 --> 0:38:31.440
<v Speaker 1>that matter. So people that don't really have good opportunities

0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.120
<v Speaker 1>to make money for their family, I mean, who's to

0:38:33.160 --> 0:38:35.160
<v Speaker 1>say that any of us in that situation, Hey, we

0:38:35.200 --> 0:38:37.680
<v Speaker 1>gotta put food on the table. Are we gonna run moonshine?

0:38:37.719 --> 0:38:40.200
<v Speaker 1>Are we gonna do things that we normally wouldn't? Because

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.160
<v Speaker 1>when it comes down to it, you have responsibilities to

0:38:42.200 --> 0:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>your family, and uh, you know, it's hard to say

0:38:45.480 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>without being in that situation what you do, but it

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:50.759
<v Speaker 1>definitely kind of can pull you two different directions. So

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:57.840
<v Speaker 1>what y'all think about my grandpa's story? I want to

0:38:57.880 --> 0:39:00.319
<v Speaker 1>ask that about Houston. Yeah, go ahead, No, No, what

0:39:00.360 --> 0:39:02.000
<v Speaker 1>we can say, Well, you just that you mentioned that,

0:39:02.040 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>you know that it wasn't uncommon. We have an extended

0:39:06.719 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 1>family member who would have UH in the thirties when

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>he got caught UM. He went to the federal penitentiary

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 1>in New Jersey. And it's kind of a funny story

0:39:19.040 --> 0:39:21.960
<v Speaker 1>how he got caught while he went to prison for

0:39:23.280 --> 0:39:27.880
<v Speaker 1>um for making moonshine. The reason he got caught was

0:39:27.920 --> 0:39:31.840
<v Speaker 1>a pair of overalls. And this guy was like like,

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>this guy was like, Carl lewis Man, we're trying to

0:39:35.360 --> 0:39:41.239
<v Speaker 1>we're trying overall sponsorship. Gets overalls, will sponsor this podcast

0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:46.920
<v Speaker 1>more overalls than you ever knew you could make. You cannot.

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:50.560
<v Speaker 1>You couldn't kiss this guy on foot. You couldn't catch

0:39:50.600 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 1>him on the more. Where did this? In South Arkansas

0:39:53.239 --> 0:40:01.759
<v Speaker 1>and Cleveland County, Panther Country. He was fast, they say

0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:05.040
<v Speaker 1>he was the fleet of foot. And the revenuers have

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:07.400
<v Speaker 1>tried to catch his cat two or three different times

0:40:08.000 --> 0:40:10.879
<v Speaker 1>and they could And you see that I just threw

0:40:10.920 --> 0:40:15.200
<v Speaker 1>that subliminal so subtle. They couldn't catch him. I mean

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>they'd get after him, he'd outrun. Of course, he knew

0:40:17.200 --> 0:40:19.400
<v Speaker 1>the woods and lay of the land. He just moved steel.

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.240
<v Speaker 1>And one morning they laid out there and he started.

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.840
<v Speaker 1>He was out there cooking, getting the fire gone, and

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 1>the old morning constitution hit and they literally caught him

0:40:30.560 --> 0:40:33.959
<v Speaker 1>with his overalls down. That's the only way they could

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>catch him. I thought you were gonna says, he couldn't

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.080
<v Speaker 1>get him up and get gone, And that's how they

0:40:47.120 --> 0:40:51.440
<v Speaker 1>called a footnote to that story. His job in the

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:55.520
<v Speaker 1>Federal Penitentiary in New Jersey wherever it was located, was

0:40:55.600 --> 0:40:58.720
<v Speaker 1>making moonshine for the warden and all the admin staff.

0:40:59.640 --> 0:41:02.879
<v Speaker 1>He had chickens and made whiskey in the in the aitentiary.

0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:10.040
<v Speaker 1>Wow wow, wow, Dad, Okay, I vividly that you heard

0:41:10.080 --> 0:41:13.880
<v Speaker 1>me tell the story. Now, we called so Houston Millsap

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>is my mother's father. So he died when I was

0:41:17.280 --> 0:41:19.279
<v Speaker 1>in the eighth grade, so that would have been like,

0:41:19.680 --> 0:41:21.880
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, mid nineties he died. So I have

0:41:22.120 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 1>real strong memories of we called him people people I

0:41:25.560 --> 0:41:28.680
<v Speaker 1>had I have, like you know, he was like I

0:41:28.719 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 1>have really vivid memories of him and and great memories

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:35.440
<v Speaker 1>of him. But he was always sick. He had a

0:41:35.480 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 1>stroke and he never was well my whole life. But

0:41:40.200 --> 0:41:46.799
<v Speaker 1>I vividly remember Dad telling me that, you know, Dad

0:41:46.840 --> 0:41:50.440
<v Speaker 1>was looking for something good to say about about old people,

0:41:50.640 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 1>and he would say he was honest to a fault.

0:41:52.680 --> 0:41:54.960
<v Speaker 1>What what do you remember about Houston? Well, I remember

0:41:54.960 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 1>a lot about him. I mean, uh, when I would

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>pick Judy up when I was in college. I remember

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:06.319
<v Speaker 1>one time I was barefooted and he he'd never let

0:42:06.320 --> 0:42:09.360
<v Speaker 1>me live that down. You're trying to marry my daughter.

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:14.920
<v Speaker 1>You ain't got shoes. Come on, man, Well people, I

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.480
<v Speaker 1>always admired him. I'll tell you to be honest with you.

0:42:17.880 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 1>He was. He had a few faults, like all of

0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 1>us do, but he was very honest. He didn't try

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:27.600
<v Speaker 1>to hide anything. He was up front. And when I

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 1>go back to a sixteen year old boy and some

0:42:31.440 --> 0:42:35.600
<v Speaker 1>of the stuff you've already talked about, forced alluded to

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.399
<v Speaker 1>it a little bit. But you know, if if you're

0:42:38.400 --> 0:42:42.640
<v Speaker 1>in a moonshine culture in your uncle's, your aunts, your dad,

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:46.080
<v Speaker 1>your mother, your I mean, you're gonna run moonshine. I

0:42:46.080 --> 0:42:48.040
<v Speaker 1>mean it's just that simple. I don't care if it's

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Billy Graham, He's gonna run some moonshine because it's it's

0:42:52.239 --> 0:42:56.920
<v Speaker 1>in your little culture that's okay, and and the penalty

0:42:57.000 --> 0:43:03.200
<v Speaker 1>is going to prison. You know. So anyway, he paul Um.

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 1>You know, the culture that he was raised up in

0:43:05.920 --> 0:43:10.240
<v Speaker 1>was you don't squill on anybody. You know. The culture

0:43:10.320 --> 0:43:12.759
<v Speaker 1>I was raised up in was don't get involved in

0:43:12.800 --> 0:43:16.200
<v Speaker 1>stuff that you gotta worry about you. So to me,

0:43:16.520 --> 0:43:18.799
<v Speaker 1>it's like a big deal. But you know, hey, I

0:43:18.840 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 1>was in this other little culture. So hey, he ain't

0:43:22.680 --> 0:43:25.400
<v Speaker 1>gonna squill. And I admired him for it. You know,

0:43:25.440 --> 0:43:27.799
<v Speaker 1>I forget this mess stuff you're talking about. I mean,

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>in his situation back then, it's you know, it's really

0:43:31.480 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 1>easy to go back thirty forty years and criticize people

0:43:34.880 --> 0:43:37.279
<v Speaker 1>the people doing to criticize, and if they were there,

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>they'd be doing the same stuff. Historical revision is what's

0:43:41.239 --> 0:43:43.920
<v Speaker 1>that's called. That's what it's called. Well people was a

0:43:43.960 --> 0:43:47.839
<v Speaker 1>fine man, tell you he had a fine family. And

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:51.759
<v Speaker 1>me mall was like the Queen of Queens. I mean,

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:56.280
<v Speaker 1>this lady was unbelievable. And for her to pick people,

0:43:56.480 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>and I mean so Natalie was like, yeah, you know,

0:44:03.160 --> 0:44:05.759
<v Speaker 1>I want to I want to justify why I said

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:11.200
<v Speaker 1>what I said. I stand by a dent of what

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:14.160
<v Speaker 1>you said, Like, I think it was honorable that he

0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:18.440
<v Speaker 1>didn't write them out. Both two women in my life

0:44:18.480 --> 0:44:22.280
<v Speaker 1>that are very influential told me the same story separately.

0:44:22.760 --> 0:44:25.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, my mom said, I understand. Mom said, hey,

0:44:26.080 --> 0:44:29.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know that that's something to be celebrated, and

0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:32.320
<v Speaker 1>and they were a little bit hesitant to me telling

0:44:32.320 --> 0:44:35.480
<v Speaker 1>the story, and uh, but I I just had to

0:44:35.480 --> 0:44:39.759
<v Speaker 1>tell the story, and uh, and I did take the

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:44.880
<v Speaker 1>most feedback that I got, specific feedback was people saying

0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that it wasn't fair to compare moonshine to meth. And

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:53.120
<v Speaker 1>I I'm a hundred percent on board with us because

0:44:53.600 --> 0:44:57.560
<v Speaker 1>because math has never been legal and and you know,

0:44:57.680 --> 0:45:00.600
<v Speaker 1>there was just a short period in human history but

0:45:00.640 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 1>where making liquor was illegal, you know, And so basically

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:09.920
<v Speaker 1>basically they're like clay, that's not apples to apples, because

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 1>meth is like, I mean, it's possible to you know,

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:18.600
<v Speaker 1>consume alcohol and be and not be a drug head.

0:45:19.080 --> 0:45:21.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean like, but if you're doing any kind of math,

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 1>you're in big trouble. So I get that. And I

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.080
<v Speaker 1>wasn't trying to make a heart. I was just trying

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:28.120
<v Speaker 1>to because that was a new thought to me. Yeah yeah,

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:30.839
<v Speaker 1>And you know, just because I'm saying it doesn't make

0:45:30.840 --> 0:45:32.840
<v Speaker 1>it right. That's just what I believe. And you're not

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:36.240
<v Speaker 1>gonna change my mind. Now. One other thing I wanted

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:40.040
<v Speaker 1>to say, and I did not have the opportunity when

0:45:40.120 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 1>when when Roy said, my dad, my grandpa, my uncle

0:45:48.200 --> 0:45:53.200
<v Speaker 1>and their friends stayed drunk all the time. I mean

0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:58.720
<v Speaker 1>that like, set me back. So you look at generations

0:45:58.760 --> 0:46:02.000
<v Speaker 1>of people. I had a guy to do this one

0:46:02.040 --> 0:46:05.440
<v Speaker 1>time for a group of people. He said, Uncle so

0:46:05.520 --> 0:46:09.120
<v Speaker 1>and so raised his family this way, and look what happened.

0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.040
<v Speaker 1>Uncle so and so did it this way, and look

0:46:12.080 --> 0:46:13.920
<v Speaker 1>what happened. And he drew it down he went through.

0:46:14.480 --> 0:46:20.640
<v Speaker 1>So most of the people in that group might have

0:46:20.840 --> 0:46:24.719
<v Speaker 1>followed the uncle dad. And then then you see this

0:46:24.840 --> 0:46:29.200
<v Speaker 1>destruction women's children, families. Then you've got guys like Roy

0:46:29.239 --> 0:46:32.160
<v Speaker 1>Clark that goes, hey, man, I don't want any part

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 1>of that. My grandmother would say, she would not let

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.759
<v Speaker 1>me look at this, right, She would not put a

0:46:40.000 --> 0:46:43.560
<v Speaker 1>thief in her mouth to steal her brains. My dad said,

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 1>is okay, let him run around in there a little bit,

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:57.080
<v Speaker 1>just don't take the handcuffs. So yeah, you carry. What

0:46:57.200 --> 0:47:01.160
<v Speaker 1>I really liked is that moment where Roy is and

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:04.439
<v Speaker 1>I can't remember the exact details, but he's talking uh

0:47:04.480 --> 0:47:07.439
<v Speaker 1>to you. But in the room is the grandson of

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 1>the the gentleman who wrote him the Valentine and said

0:47:12.200 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 1>and and from what I from what I got was

0:47:15.120 --> 0:47:19.040
<v Speaker 1>that the Roy in that moment looked over at that

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 1>grandson and basically affirmed him and said, this guy's a

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.080
<v Speaker 1>stand up guy no matter what. And that to me

0:47:26.360 --> 0:47:29.359
<v Speaker 1>is the embodiment of of what you're saying, Gary, which

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.520
<v Speaker 1>is like Roy decided he's going to do it different

0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:34.200
<v Speaker 1>and as he looked around at him and he saw

0:47:34.239 --> 0:47:37.319
<v Speaker 1>a man doing something right, man, I affirmed that and

0:47:37.520 --> 0:47:39.919
<v Speaker 1>that guy he's what did he say about he said?

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.840
<v Speaker 1>He he said that boy right there, I won't leave you.

0:47:43.880 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 1>And I loved him for it. And you know, think

0:47:47.920 --> 0:47:51.399
<v Speaker 1>about all those men who had left Roy, and he said,

0:47:51.440 --> 0:47:53.439
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to be that way. And then he's

0:47:53.440 --> 0:47:56.480
<v Speaker 1>now looking at the younger generations and saying yes to

0:47:56.560 --> 0:47:59.520
<v Speaker 1>that and and in it, you know, at the same

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:03.000
<v Speaker 1>time he's saying no to something else, which is I

0:48:03.040 --> 0:48:07.160
<v Speaker 1>think one of the things that I saw in Mr

0:48:07.360 --> 0:48:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Roy is that, um, you know, it really wasn't about

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:13.319
<v Speaker 1>the drinking or not drinking. He had an awareness of

0:48:13.520 --> 0:48:18.920
<v Speaker 1>patterns that he chose to steer clear of. He said,

0:48:18.680 --> 0:48:22.040
<v Speaker 1>I know, I know that that you know, and I

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:25.040
<v Speaker 1>really don't think and I know. For me, it's not

0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:28.480
<v Speaker 1>about drinking or not drinking, it's about understanding how the

0:48:28.560 --> 0:48:33.080
<v Speaker 1>patterns are and generation generational continuance. I believe someone can

0:48:33.280 --> 0:48:37.120
<v Speaker 1>can drink moderately and have great kids, but you have

0:48:37.200 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>to be aware. It really comes down to awareness. So

0:48:40.960 --> 0:48:44.600
<v Speaker 1>I appreciated the fact that because because he had to

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:48.040
<v Speaker 1>see something in them that he didn't want and adjust

0:48:48.120 --> 0:48:50.960
<v Speaker 1>his life according and in Mr Roy did something that's

0:48:51.040 --> 0:48:55.880
<v Speaker 1>very hard. He he broke something that was not common

0:48:55.960 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 1>for people to be able to break, like to be

0:48:58.000 --> 0:48:59.799
<v Speaker 1>able to have that kind of awareness and just do

0:48:59.840 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>it ninety degree turn. And hey, that's the reason that

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:06.600
<v Speaker 1>podcast is about Roy Clark. I had I had a

0:49:06.600 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 1>few one person particular that wrote me and and and

0:49:11.280 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 1>he missed the whole point of everything I was doing

0:49:14.920 --> 0:49:16.799
<v Speaker 1>because he tried to tell me that there were better

0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.120
<v Speaker 1>bear hunters than Roy Clark that I could have done

0:49:19.120 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 1>a podcast with. And I mean and I I took

0:49:23.360 --> 0:49:26.759
<v Speaker 1>liberty to like, smack the guy upside the head really did.

0:49:27.080 --> 0:49:30.200
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't somebody I knew it was like, because I

0:49:30.239 --> 0:49:42.400
<v Speaker 1>was just like, basically, I feel the liberty to highlight

0:49:42.480 --> 0:49:46.360
<v Speaker 1>like nobody's perfect. I mean like James Lawrence isn't perfect,

0:49:46.480 --> 0:49:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Roy Clark getting perfect, Gary nuclemtting perfect. But the people

0:49:49.800 --> 0:49:53.560
<v Speaker 1>that I highlight have some level of character and that

0:49:53.719 --> 0:50:07.279
<v Speaker 1>is something that I that I deeply value. Identified so

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:10.759
<v Speaker 1>much with what he was talking about and how emotion

0:50:11.080 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>emotionally got I was talking. I got a friend in England,

0:50:15.800 --> 0:50:20.800
<v Speaker 1>Adam Deane, that listens to the podcast. This guy has

0:50:20.840 --> 0:50:23.479
<v Speaker 1>such a passion for all the stuff that we do.

0:50:23.640 --> 0:50:27.319
<v Speaker 1>And there are no coons in the United Kingdom. There

0:50:27.360 --> 0:50:30.680
<v Speaker 1>ain't enough coon dogs in England to fill up that

0:50:30.760 --> 0:50:34.400
<v Speaker 1>dog pin right out there, but he absolutely loves it.

0:50:34.480 --> 0:50:37.319
<v Speaker 1>And he and I were talking the other day back

0:50:37.360 --> 0:50:39.520
<v Speaker 1>and forth, and he said, he said, you know, you

0:50:39.600 --> 0:50:43.200
<v Speaker 1>described coon hunting so eloquently to me, and I'm like, well,

0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:45.480
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna need to hear this back. What did I say?

0:50:45.960 --> 0:50:47.600
<v Speaker 1>He said, well, you told me that you know, coon

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:51.480
<v Speaker 1>hunting wasn't coon huntan wasn't at the tree. Coon hunting

0:50:51.560 --> 0:50:55.919
<v Speaker 1>was everything before and everything after and and he's right,

0:50:56.239 --> 0:50:58.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's it's me sitting out in the backyard

0:50:58.719 --> 0:51:01.680
<v Speaker 1>with my watching my coon dog and my little girl

0:51:01.760 --> 0:51:04.160
<v Speaker 1>run around the backyard, or my wife come home from

0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:06.719
<v Speaker 1>Texas Hill day with a bow tie for this dog

0:51:06.880 --> 0:51:11.520
<v Speaker 1>to wherever, and this dog is just that's the whole thing,

0:51:11.600 --> 0:51:13.839
<v Speaker 1>the whole embodiment of it. And that's what I got

0:51:13.840 --> 0:51:17.640
<v Speaker 1>out of Mr Roy's passion and how emotionally was about it. Man,

0:51:17.680 --> 0:51:20.719
<v Speaker 1>I get it. And if you get it, the guy

0:51:20.760 --> 0:51:23.120
<v Speaker 1>that wrote you the story or the roads that note

0:51:23.120 --> 0:51:25.640
<v Speaker 1>about there are better bear hunters out there. There may

0:51:25.760 --> 0:51:29.760
<v Speaker 1>be more successful in numbers of bear hunters out there, probably,

0:51:30.520 --> 0:51:34.239
<v Speaker 1>but they probably ain't no better one than that. And

0:51:33.760 --> 0:51:37.160
<v Speaker 1>he missed what I appreciated about Roy. So I went

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:40.839
<v Speaker 1>back from an old podcast like that. I took that

0:51:40.840 --> 0:51:46.879
<v Speaker 1>that conversation out of context and played it. And Roy

0:51:46.920 --> 0:51:51.560
<v Speaker 1>never gave a second thought to him breaking down into

0:51:51.600 --> 0:51:54.319
<v Speaker 1>tears in front of There were twenty people in that room.

0:51:54.760 --> 0:51:57.399
<v Speaker 1>Like in the podcast, there were four guys that had

0:51:57.440 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 1>headsets on. There were twenty people. There was like a

0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:06.000
<v Speaker 1>live recording like neighbors, grandkids and they and and I

0:52:06.040 --> 0:52:09.600
<v Speaker 1>actually thought, you know, I wonder if Roy is gonna say, hey,

0:52:09.640 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>don't put that on there. That embarrassed me. It never

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.160
<v Speaker 1>occurred to him, like he just he just is what

0:52:18.239 --> 0:52:22.760
<v Speaker 1>he is. And that's that's powerful, especially in a culture

0:52:22.840 --> 0:52:26.160
<v Speaker 1>that defines manhood and all these false ways. I mean

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:28.960
<v Speaker 1>for a man, for a grown man to be able

0:52:28.960 --> 0:52:31.400
<v Speaker 1>to look across the room and call somebody out and

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:35.640
<v Speaker 1>break into tears and then immediately jump back into talking

0:52:35.680 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 1>about bear dogs. To me, that's where does that happen?

0:52:39.480 --> 0:52:43.399
<v Speaker 1>Emotion like, that's that's that's good. Well, that granted the

0:52:43.440 --> 0:52:45.600
<v Speaker 1>sun the guy that got on there and it said,

0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:48.640
<v Speaker 1>see how important it is to us. Put in that

0:52:48.719 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 1>same position, I could see that guy doing the same thing.

0:52:51.440 --> 0:52:54.319
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, we just scripted out for everybody in that

0:52:54.400 --> 0:52:56.719
<v Speaker 1>room that looked up to him that hey, this is

0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.600
<v Speaker 1>it's okay too. It's okay to cry, it's okay to

0:52:59.680 --> 0:53:04.360
<v Speaker 1>have to express affection for someone, and not just it's okay,

0:53:04.400 --> 0:53:07.919
<v Speaker 1>but as Roy Clark, I am a man, and this

0:53:07.960 --> 0:53:10.600
<v Speaker 1>is how you be a man. It's not just permit,

0:53:10.760 --> 0:53:12.719
<v Speaker 1>it's not okay you can do that, but if you're

0:53:12.719 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a man, this is how you be a man.

0:53:15.120 --> 0:53:17.319
<v Speaker 1>Another thing He said that it's similar to what you

0:53:17.360 --> 0:53:20.160
<v Speaker 1>know Gary about maybe the negative side to keep him

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:25.120
<v Speaker 1>people around, but I liked it anyway. He said, you know,

0:53:25.160 --> 0:53:27.960
<v Speaker 1>if this is a if you want to have, if

0:53:28.000 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>you want to make money, this is a terrible place

0:53:31.000 --> 0:53:33.480
<v Speaker 1>to live and do life. But if you want to

0:53:33.480 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>have a close family, and I'm paraphrasing what he said,

0:53:36.920 --> 0:53:39.080
<v Speaker 1>he said, I believe there's no better place in the world.

0:53:39.719 --> 0:53:42.840
<v Speaker 1>And I think just that value of he knows what's

0:53:42.880 --> 0:53:46.840
<v Speaker 1>important to him, and he goes about building his family

0:53:46.960 --> 0:53:50.520
<v Speaker 1>that way, and so he structured his life in particular

0:53:50.520 --> 0:53:54.200
<v Speaker 1>ways to make that happen. That's the that's the ninety

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:57.960
<v Speaker 1>degree turn from the popular culture, which is what you're

0:53:57.960 --> 0:54:01.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna you. You gotta get it an education, and you

0:54:01.760 --> 0:54:03.560
<v Speaker 1>gotta get a job, and you gotta get a two

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<v Speaker 1>car garage. And I mean I've got to I've got

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of education, but I still want to have

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<v Speaker 1>a family. You know, Well, it was Yeah, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that. I thought Dr Dr Pierce did a

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<v Speaker 1>good job of showing a balanced perspective. Dr Pierce has

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<v Speaker 1>a book called um Corn, Uh, what's it called? Corn

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<v Speaker 1>from a Corn from a Jar? Corn from a Jar?

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<v Speaker 1>And it's about moonshiners. And he says in the book

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<v Speaker 1>that his point was too humanize moonshiners, which was interesting

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<v Speaker 1>because I came into it not wanting to glorify it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to tell the story. And Uh, and

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<v Speaker 1>he I think he gave a really balanced, good view,

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<v Speaker 1>like you'd learned something listening to that. I thought he

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<v Speaker 1>did a good job. The NASCAR stuff was cool anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>The podcast to me, I mean, I loved it. What's

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<v Speaker 1>so cool about this is I'm I'm researching the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that I'm interested in. So like I could have made

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<v Speaker 1>that podcast and like nobody heard it and me just

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<v Speaker 1>listen to it, and I would have. I would have

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<v Speaker 1>loved it. It's like all all stuff, but I'm like

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<v Speaker 1>super interested in. But the big question is, would you

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this podcast The Render with these stories? Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>get your guitar out, all right, what are you gonna

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<v Speaker 1>what are you gonna sing? Us? Well, I hope my

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<v Speaker 1>guitar is still in tune, first of all. But I

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<v Speaker 1>picked a song that, uh has a lot of layers

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<v Speaker 1>here relative to what we talked about and just The

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<v Speaker 1>Render in general. This is a song written by Jimmy Driftwood,

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<v Speaker 1>recorded by Doc Watson, nineteen sixty six. All right, let's

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<v Speaker 1>hear what's it called. It's called Tennessee Stud. Oh, this

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be good round about eighteen twin. If I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't left Tennessee very much alive, I never would admit

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<v Speaker 1>it through the Arkansas. But if I hadn't been a

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<v Speaker 1>riding on the Tennessee stood, I had some trouble with

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<v Speaker 1>my sweethearts Paul, one of her brothers, was about out long,

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<v Speaker 1>so's some of your camera wrote her a letter by

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<v Speaker 1>my uncle, and I rode away on the Tennessee stood.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tennessee Stud was long and lean, the color of

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<v Speaker 1>the sun, and his eyes were green. He had the nerve,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had the blood, and the nevil was a

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<v Speaker 1>horse like the Tennessee Stud drifted on down into no

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<v Speaker 1>man's land, across that river called the Rio grand I

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<v Speaker 1>reached my horse with the spaniards full till I gotten

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<v Speaker 1>me a skin full of SimMan and gold. Me and

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<v Speaker 1>the gambler we couldn't agree, and we got in a

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<v Speaker 1>fight over Tennessee. We drew our guns, and he fell

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<v Speaker 1>with the night road away on the Tennessee. He stood

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color of the sun,

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<v Speaker 1>and his eyes were green. He had the nerve, and

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<v Speaker 1>he had the blood, and the never was a horse

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<v Speaker 1>like the Tennessee. He stood, guy, just launch him as

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<v Speaker 1>a man can be, dreaming of the girl in Tennessee.

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<v Speaker 1>The Tennessee studs green eyes turned blue because he was

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<v Speaker 1>a dreaming of a sweetheart too. We loped right back

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<v Speaker 1>across our innsas whipped her brother, and I whipped her palm.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, no relationship. I found that girl with the

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<v Speaker 1>golden hair, and she was riding on the Tennessee mayor

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<v Speaker 1>Tennessee burn. Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color

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<v Speaker 1>of the sun, and his eyes were green. He had

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<v Speaker 1>the nerve v and he had the blood, and the

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<v Speaker 1>never was a horse like the Tennessee. He stood stirrup

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<v Speaker 1>to stir up, in side by side across the mountains

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<v Speaker 1>and the valleys wide. We came to Big Muddy and

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<v Speaker 1>we fought the other flood on the Tennessee. There in

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<v Speaker 1>the Tennessee stud, pretty little baby on the cabin floor,

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<v Speaker 1>a little horse cool playing around the door. I love

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<v Speaker 1>that girl with the golden hair, and the Tennessee Studd

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<v Speaker 1>Love the Tennessee mayor. The Tennessee stud was long and lean,

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<v Speaker 1>the color of the sun, and his eyes were green.

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<v Speaker 1>He and the nerve van he had the blood and

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<v Speaker 1>then never was a horse like the Tennessee right on

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<v Speaker 1>the awesome. That's right, perfect, perfect, That is a heck

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<v Speaker 1>of a song. You know, so many layers grin from

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<v Speaker 1>ear to ear every time I hear Arkansas, and so

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I cannot help it. I'm like, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>When you told me pick one, how one of mine?

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I know, the one equines Arkansas. Tennessee's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to ram Arkansas. Well, hey, thanks a ton, guys,

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<v Speaker 1>Thank each and every one of you. This has been

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<v Speaker 1>a good render. And keep the wild places wild because

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<v Speaker 1>that's where the bears live and that's where we get beared. Groups.

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<v Speaker 1>I hear your best out hood, Josh. I feel so

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<v Speaker 1>bad going after Brent because that's a good I'm glad

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<v Speaker 1>going okay, yeah, okay, Gary, don't let me down for

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's good. That's I can do anything. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>best one yet, that's okay. Next time trying out next time,