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Speaker 1: of the bear Grease podcast called The bear Grease Render,

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Speaker 1: where we render down, dive deeper, and looked behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes of the actual bear Grease podcast. All right, welcome

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Speaker 1: to the bear Grease Render. Before I get into introductions,

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Speaker 1: which I am going to do, I uh, I've got

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Speaker 1: Major problems. I still have grown men almost every day

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Speaker 1: sending me pictures of panthers, of large black cats. I

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Speaker 1: appreciated that a lot. No. Welcome to the burglary surrender.

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Speaker 1: his left, Joshua Spillmaker. Josh Um there was the land

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Speaker 1: prison for murder that says he killed a bunch of elk.

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00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: The game warden, who's still a game warden, goes and says, well,

426
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 1: I'd like to interview. The guy goes, and this is again.

427
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: This is years later, maybe decades later. The guy, the

428
00:25:53,880 --> 00:25:56,640
Speaker 1: game warden is sitting across from this murderer and says,

429
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,919
Speaker 1: tell me about your elk, and the guy just starts

430
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 1: laying out all the places he killed elk. And this

431
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: this game warden knows that this is the guy he

432
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Speaker 1: was after for all those years. He doesn't tell him.

433
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: The guy then says, one of your boys almost got killed.

434
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know he said he said it.

435
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,360
Speaker 1: He said, basically, I spared one of your boys lives

436
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: one night back and he told where it was. And

437
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,640
Speaker 1: the guy goes, tell me more, and he says, I've

438
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 1: gotten a game board and started chasing me down the road.

439
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,200
Speaker 1: Came to a why I went through the mud hole

440
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,199
Speaker 1: because I knew that the guy would be able to

441
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: tell that I went through the mud hole. He went

442
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: through the mud hole, turned his truck into the woods,

443
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: got out and had an oozy and he was shooting

444
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 1: those elk with an oozy. And he said, I got

445
00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: behind a bush about five ft after that mud hole,

446
00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:55,640
Speaker 1: and I was sitting there and when he and when

447
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: that officer came to the mud hole, I was gonna

448
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: just mow him down. Wow. And the game warden is

449
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 1: the one who was in the truck. It's setting there

450
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: interviewing the guy. And uh, and he never told him.

451
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: He never he never said it was me, but uh,

452
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 1: it was. It's just a hair raising, didn't him. Wait,

453
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: he didn't to the mud hole, and this trained game

454
00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:29,880
Speaker 1: warden clearly he perceived that no car had driven through

455
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,440
Speaker 1: the mud so he turned around and went the other way.

456
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: But if it was anyway, it appeared to me he

457
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,720
Speaker 1: was close enough to shoot you. Well, just the way

458
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: it worked out, like the guy was gonna just wait

459
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 1: until he came right past him and just shoot him.

460
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 1: Was that same grandma that was sweeping the floor. It

461
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: was the guy from East Tennesse. So that's the kind

462
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 1: of stories that are on. That's just one of them.

463
00:27:56,440 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: And there's like the firefighters almost getting killed with fires

464
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: coming in on them, people getting saved from drowning, lots

465
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: of hypothermia stories. Wild hypothermia is like, you ain't gonna

466
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 1: get one of them stories from in here today. It's

467
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 1: a little warm, and the hypothermia stories are like really wild. Um,

468
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: people do start doing crazy stuff like terminal I've heard

469
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Steve talk about terminal burrowing. When people get hyper hypothermia,

470
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,439
Speaker 1: they feel like they can dig into the ground and

471
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: just ball up, and they end up basically digging their

472
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 1: own grave. And there's a story about a man who

473
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: did that but survived. But so camp fire stories meet.

474
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: I always remember, the only thing that you get anxious

475
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:54,960
Speaker 1: about is drowning. Yeah, it's you had a close call once, Yeah,

476
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: I did. The only thing I ever hear you talk

477
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: about with like year in reverence, like I don't want

478
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 1: to get in that because it's fast moving water. Man.

479
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: I'll tell that story another day. Yeah. Hey, what do

480
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:23,479
Speaker 1: y'all think of Episode two? I think it's stepped up.

481
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: You know, the previous ones are probably a five and

482
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 1: a half. We're looking we're probably might even be hitting

483
00:29:28,600 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: sixth territory. Now. It was pretty it was pretty racy.

484
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: I have to say, yeah, yeah, i'd label that one

485
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 1: is p G. Yeah. Hey, I don't I don't know

486
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: if anybody caught it, and I don't necessarily want to

487
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 1: bring attention to it. Did any of you guys hear

488
00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 1: a word that typically wouldn't be said in my podcast?

489
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 1: Did you catch it? I don't think so. If Gary

490
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: didn't catch it, that's all I care about to this day. I'm,

491
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 1: you know, a grown man. All I care about is

492
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 1: my dad not hearing somebody cuts Oh really, I didn't

493
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: hear it, you man. My squirrel dogs gott a squirrel

494
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: treat out here. Can y'all hear em barking? Nobody heard

495
00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: Mr Roy Clark call his dog? Oh, I did hear

496
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 1: that classic name? But that I mean in that context

497
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: it absolutely is okay, So y'all didn't even I don't

498
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: even think about do you say jip jip jip in

499
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 1: the terms he used. I mean that that word has

500
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: been prostituted from that to be Oh. Yeah, yeah, no,

501
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: it's it's I didn't have any problems, but when I

502
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 1: let Misty listen to it, she was like, oh, you

503
00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: get a little because I really do. I have boys.

504
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: We have gained the trust of people that let their

505
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: kids listen to our podcasts, and that's something I take

506
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: very serious. Um. At the same time, like the podcast

507
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: is not necessarily like four kids. I mean, and I

508
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 1: gotta get this dog to be quiet. That could be

509
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 1: of the best discussion dog market. Yeah, we've got to

510
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 1: get that dog shut up. Um No, I take it

511
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: very serious that people can. I mean, I hear it

512
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 1: all the time, and that's what I wanted that That's

513
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: that's been my issue with some other things I listened to,

514
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: is like I gotta be careful with the kids in

515
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: the car because I just don't want them to hear

516
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: foul language or anything. And so but it makes my day.

517
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 1: It makes it like if I go to Roy Clark's house,

518
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: I want to hear him. I want to hear him

519
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 1: say that when he's talking about his dogs. Makes my day. Why,

520
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: I just I just like it. He just he just

521
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 1: said it without skipping a beat. That I was like, oh, yeah,

522
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 1: that's normal. Yeah, absolutely normal. I just wondered if anybody

523
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: caught that. No, what highlight Josh of the podcast. Yeah,

524
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 1: so that the second part moonshine, NASCAR bear hunting, it

525
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: was kind of racy. It was racy, and I actually

526
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 1: didn't know all that about Now Scar, I thought that

527
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: was terribly interesting. I'm trying to outrun the fuzz. Yeah,

528
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, and then and then the part

529
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: at the end, I don't know if you know, the

530
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 1: whole snake handling thing. Oh, that was pretty wild. Yeah,

531
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: that you know, you hear a lot about that, and uh,

532
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: just to to have that around people's culture, like there

533
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 1: were certain groups of people that that was completely normal,

534
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: you know, to the to this day. Yeah. Now, he

535
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 1: said that that started in the twentieth century, early twentieth

536
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,760
Speaker 1: Is that what you said? Early nineteen I want to

537
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: say that the most of it started in the early

538
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: nineteen hundreds. No, that's a purely American thing that elsewhere. No,

539
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: that's what he said. He said, snake handling and churches

540
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: for you know, ceremony is like new Dan. How did

541
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: I handle that? Because listen, I did not want to,

542
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 1: like I said it on the podcast, like I strongly

543
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: believe in religious freedom, and uh so I wasn't like

544
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:04,040
Speaker 1: trying to say these people are crazy. I mean, man,

545
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 1: yeah so. But but at the same time, I've been

546
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: highly aware of not stereotyping people are painting a picture

547
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: that is untrue because that's really easy to do. So

548
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: on both podcasts, if you recall, I said, hey, I

549
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,840
Speaker 1: want you to know that Appalachia is a very diverse

550
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: number one, it's not all white people. Number Two, it's

551
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 1: a very modern part of the country. It's not like

552
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: everybody lives in like the log cabin. I mean, you know.

553
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: On the first one, I said, there's there's swanky coffee

554
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: shops and targets, Supercenter. I was trying to think of

555
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: the most like urban things I could think of. But

556
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,680
Speaker 1: but so I didn't want to stereotype the snake handling

557
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 1: churches definitely as a stereotype, but I was very interested

558
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 1: in that. So I talked to him, how did how

559
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 1: did I do? I thought you handled it great. I mean,

560
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: I think there's a place to say this is happening

561
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: and kind of why it's happening without necessarily making a

562
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,479
Speaker 1: judgment call on it. But as you're exploring their culture

563
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: and talking about different things. That's a especially people closely

564
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: tied to the land. So much of what they do

565
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 1: is physical, tangible activities. They don't just sit around coffee

566
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: shops and talk about their feelings. They're harvest and tobacco

567
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: or their bear hunting, or they're doing whatever, and this

568
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 1: is another material manifestation of their culture in church. Um, well,

569
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,279
Speaker 1: if it's a yeah part of it, I mean want

570
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: to skip over something that's yeah, that's there. And the

571
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: other thing. I do think that it's been I do

572
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:38,240
Speaker 1: think there were times when that was probably more authentically

573
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: done and then some of this new stuff and I've

574
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,880
Speaker 1: not I've seen small documentaries on it, and it's just

575
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: to me, it's just clear that this is since like

576
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: they're trying to look sensational, and I mean, I think

577
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: we have the right to at least say what we

578
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: think as I and so that I didn't. I didn't

579
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 1: want to foster that, like, but at the same time,

580
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: there was parts of it that were that were pretty interesting.

581
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: At some point that probably started with some form of

582
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine, but like kind of good or

583
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 1: even neutral intentions, and then it became you know, a

584
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:17,359
Speaker 1: lot of people are gonna, Dad, did you ever hear

585
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 1: about snake Hamlin churches everywhere? Did you ever? Did they ever?

586
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: Did you ever know that to be done? And the

587
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: in Arkansas? No, no, no, only on documentaries that you

588
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: see on TV, and uh, very intriguing. And the thing

589
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: that intrigued me, if I understood it right, was people

590
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: that would go document the stuff sometimes would get caught

591
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 1: up in that movement and I'm like, going, you gotta

592
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: be kidding me. So there is tremendous power in this activity,

593
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: be whatever power it comes from. I mean it captivated

594
00:35:56,640 --> 00:36:00,839
Speaker 1: educated people kind of like a Stockholm syndrome. You know,

595
00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 1: where you do you when you identify with your kidnappers

596
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,839
Speaker 1: if you were there for such a long period of time,

597
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 1: Like Patty Hurst is a famous example of that. She

598
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: was kidnapped by some faction. Uh. Grant's a granddaughter to

599
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 1: the hearst fortunate thing and she was with him so long,

600
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: uh that she started helping him rob Banks like deal

601
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: me in boys. I mean, well, I mean you see

602
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: it everywhere also that you know people are it's almost

603
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:35,920
Speaker 1: like a high they get from doing things that are

604
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,840
Speaker 1: life threatening. Sky divers and all that kind of stuff.

605
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: I think it people experience that sensation of of encountering

606
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: a life threatening situation and walking away in scathe. The

607
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 1: old saying is you never live until you almost die,

608
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 1: and I think Tim McGraw said that, but I mean

609
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,799
Speaker 1: I have on that to Yeah, Yeah, it does make

610
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: sense because you've got a group of people. They're meeting

611
00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm assuming weekly, they're doing it in person.

612
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 1: It's a big group. They're engaged in a tangible physical activity.

613
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 1: There's risk involved, but it happens in a socially sanctioned

614
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: and kind of approved way, at least in their community.

615
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: Just those factors right there. A lot of people in

616
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,439
Speaker 1: a in an urban setting are not going to have that,

617
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,960
Speaker 1: you know, they're they're going what they're that for them

618
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 1: is they're going to work and they're just doing it

619
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:36,600
Speaker 1: to get paid. You know, maybe they enjoy their job,

620
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: but you can you can see the draw even though

621
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: you know you personally and I think, I'm I'm never

622
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: gonna do that, nor would I feel the need to

623
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:49,080
Speaker 1: or condone it, but kind of socially, the mechanics make

624
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: sense of it for us. What stood out to you

625
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:54,880
Speaker 1: about it? Um, I guess part of what you said

626
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 1: about not not not necessarily Snike Canon. We can go

627
00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: on just the podcast in general. Probably the thing that

628
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,120
Speaker 1: that I really took note of the most, or I

629
00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: guess what kind of made me question myself and my

630
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: own beliefs, was the part number one about the metaphor

631
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: that your family made about Hey, if your kids were

632
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: dealing meth, would you, you know, be beholding to these

633
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: people that honorable to to protect those people and to

634
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: not doul them. Ountain That kind of thing really stood

635
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 1: up to me because it puts an interesting question number one,

636
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 1: if obviously legal doesn't necessarily equal moral or ethical for

637
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,440
Speaker 1: that matter. So people that don't really have good opportunities

638
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: to make money for their family, I mean, who's to

639
00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 1: say that any of us in that situation, Hey, we

640
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: gotta put food on the table. Are we gonna run moonshine?

641
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: Are we gonna do things that we normally wouldn't? Because

642
00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, you have responsibilities to

643
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 1: your family, and uh, you know, it's hard to say

644
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 1: without being in that situation what you do, but it

645
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: definitely kind of can pull you two different directions. So

646
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:57,840
Speaker 1: what y'all think about my grandpa's story? I want to

647
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,319
Speaker 1: ask that about Houston. Yeah, go ahead, No, No, what

648
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: we can say, Well, you just that you mentioned that,

649
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 1: you know that it wasn't uncommon. We have an extended

650
00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: family member who would have UH in the thirties when

651
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: he got caught UM. He went to the federal penitentiary

652
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,000
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. And it's kind of a funny story

653
00:39:19,040 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: how he got caught while he went to prison for

654
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: um for making moonshine. The reason he got caught was

655
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: a pair of overalls. And this guy was like like,

656
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,279
Speaker 1: this guy was like, Carl lewis Man, we're trying to

657
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: we're trying overall sponsorship. Gets overalls, will sponsor this podcast

658
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: more overalls than you ever knew you could make. You cannot.

659
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: You couldn't kiss this guy on foot. You couldn't catch

660
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,240
Speaker 1: him on the more. Where did this? In South Arkansas

661
00:39:53,239 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: and Cleveland County, Panther Country. He was fast, they say

662
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: he was the fleet of foot. And the revenuers have

663
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: tried to catch his cat two or three different times

664
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 1: and they could And you see that I just threw

665
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: that subliminal so subtle. They couldn't catch him. I mean

666
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: they'd get after him, he'd outrun. Of course, he knew

667
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: the woods and lay of the land. He just moved steel.

668
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,240
Speaker 1: And one morning they laid out there and he started.

669
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 1: He was out there cooking, getting the fire gone, and

670
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 1: the old morning constitution hit and they literally caught him

671
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,959
Speaker 1: with his overalls down. That's the only way they could

672
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: catch him. I thought you were gonna says, he couldn't

673
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 1: get him up and get gone, And that's how they

674
00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: called a footnote to that story. His job in the

675
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Federal Penitentiary in New Jersey wherever it was located, was

676
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,720
Speaker 1: making moonshine for the warden and all the admin staff.

677
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 1: He had chickens and made whiskey in the in the aitentiary.

678
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Wow wow, wow, Dad, Okay, I vividly that you heard

679
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: me tell the story. Now, we called so Houston Millsap

680
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: is my mother's father. So he died when I was

681
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: in the eighth grade, so that would have been like,

682
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:21,880
Speaker 1: I don't know, mid nineties he died. So I have

683
00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: real strong memories of we called him people people I

684
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: had I have, like you know, he was like I

685
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 1: have really vivid memories of him and and great memories

686
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: of him. But he was always sick. He had a

687
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,680
Speaker 1: stroke and he never was well my whole life. But

688
00:41:40,200 --> 00:41:46,799
Speaker 1: I vividly remember Dad telling me that, you know, Dad

689
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: was looking for something good to say about about old people,

690
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: and he would say he was honest to a fault.

691
00:41:52,680 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: What what do you remember about Houston? Well, I remember

692
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: a lot about him. I mean, uh, when I would

693
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: pick Judy up when I was in college. I remember

694
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 1: one time I was barefooted and he he'd never let

695
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,360
Speaker 1: me live that down. You're trying to marry my daughter.

696
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 1: You ain't got shoes. Come on, man, Well people, I

697
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,480
Speaker 1: always admired him. I'll tell you to be honest with you.

698
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 1: He was. He had a few faults, like all of

699
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 1: us do, but he was very honest. He didn't try

700
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: to hide anything. He was up front. And when I

701
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 1: go back to a sixteen year old boy and some

702
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 1: of the stuff you've already talked about, forced alluded to

703
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 1: it a little bit. But you know, if if you're

704
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 1: in a moonshine culture in your uncle's, your aunts, your dad,

705
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 1: your mother, your I mean, you're gonna run moonshine. I

706
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: mean it's just that simple. I don't care if it's

707
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: Billy Graham, He's gonna run some moonshine because it's it's

708
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: in your little culture that's okay, and and the penalty

709
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: is going to prison. You know. So anyway, he paul Um.

710
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: You know, the culture that he was raised up in

711
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: was you don't squill on anybody. You know. The culture

712
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 1: I was raised up in was don't get involved in

713
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: stuff that you gotta worry about you. So to me,

714
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 1: it's like a big deal. But you know, hey, I

715
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,680
Speaker 1: was in this other little culture. So hey, he ain't

716
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,400
Speaker 1: gonna squill. And I admired him for it. You know,

717
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,799
Speaker 1: I forget this mess stuff you're talking about. I mean,

718
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: in his situation back then, it's you know, it's really

719
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 1: easy to go back thirty forty years and criticize people

720
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: the people doing to criticize, and if they were there,

721
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: they'd be doing the same stuff. Historical revision is what's

722
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 1: that's called. That's what it's called. Well people was a

723
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,839
Speaker 1: fine man, tell you he had a fine family. And

724
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 1: me mall was like the Queen of Queens. I mean,

725
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 1: this lady was unbelievable. And for her to pick people,

726
00:43:56,480 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: and I mean so Natalie was like, yeah, you know,

727
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: I want to I want to justify why I said

728
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: what I said. I stand by a dent of what

729
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 1: you said, Like, I think it was honorable that he

730
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: didn't write them out. Both two women in my life

731
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,280
Speaker 1: that are very influential told me the same story separately.

732
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: You know, my mom said, I understand. Mom said, hey,

733
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that that's something to be celebrated, and

734
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: and they were a little bit hesitant to me telling

735
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 1: the story, and uh, but I I just had to

736
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:39,759
Speaker 1: tell the story, and uh, and I did take the

737
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 1: most feedback that I got, specific feedback was people saying

738
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: that it wasn't fair to compare moonshine to meth. And

739
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:53,120
Speaker 1: I I'm a hundred percent on board with us because

740
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,560
Speaker 1: because math has never been legal and and you know,

741
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,600
Speaker 1: there was just a short period in human history but

742
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: where making liquor was illegal, you know, And so basically

743
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: basically they're like clay, that's not apples to apples, because

744
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: meth is like, I mean, it's possible to you know,

745
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: consume alcohol and be and not be a drug head.

746
00:45:19,080 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: I mean like, but if you're doing any kind of math,

747
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: you're in big trouble. So I get that. And I

748
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: wasn't trying to make a heart. I was just trying

749
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,120
Speaker 1: to because that was a new thought to me. Yeah yeah,

750
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: And you know, just because I'm saying it doesn't make

751
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 1: it right. That's just what I believe. And you're not

752
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: gonna change my mind. Now. One other thing I wanted

753
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,040
Speaker 1: to say, and I did not have the opportunity when

754
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: when when Roy said, my dad, my grandpa, my uncle

755
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: and their friends stayed drunk all the time. I mean

756
00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:58,720
Speaker 1: that like, set me back. So you look at generations

757
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 1: of people. I had a guy to do this one

758
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 1: time for a group of people. He said, Uncle so

759
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 1: and so raised his family this way, and look what happened.

760
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: Uncle so and so did it this way, and look

761
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 1: what happened. And he drew it down he went through.

762
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: So most of the people in that group might have

763
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: followed the uncle dad. And then then you see this

764
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: destruction women's children, families. Then you've got guys like Roy

765
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 1: Clark that goes, hey, man, I don't want any part

766
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 1: of that. My grandmother would say, she would not let

767
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 1: me look at this, right, She would not put a

768
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: thief in her mouth to steal her brains. My dad said,

769
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,040
Speaker 1: is okay, let him run around in there a little bit,

770
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: just don't take the handcuffs. So yeah, you carry. What

771
00:46:57,200 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: I really liked is that moment where Roy is and

772
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact details, but he's talking uh

773
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,439
Speaker 1: to you. But in the room is the grandson of

774
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: the the gentleman who wrote him the Valentine and said

775
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:15,080
Speaker 1: and and from what I from what I got was

776
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:19,040
Speaker 1: that the Roy in that moment looked over at that

777
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: grandson and basically affirmed him and said, this guy's a

778
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: stand up guy no matter what. And that to me

779
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:29,359
Speaker 1: is the embodiment of of what you're saying, Gary, which

780
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,520
Speaker 1: is like Roy decided he's going to do it different

781
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: and as he looked around at him and he saw

782
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 1: a man doing something right, man, I affirmed that and

783
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,919
Speaker 1: that guy he's what did he say about he said?

784
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: He he said that boy right there, I won't leave you.

785
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 1: And I loved him for it. And you know, think

786
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,399
Speaker 1: about all those men who had left Roy, and he said,

787
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: I don't want to be that way. And then he's

788
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: now looking at the younger generations and saying yes to

789
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: that and and in it, you know, at the same

790
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 1: time he's saying no to something else, which is I

791
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: think one of the things that I saw in Mr

792
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:10,080
Speaker 1: Roy is that, um, you know, it really wasn't about

793
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: the drinking or not drinking. He had an awareness of

794
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 1: patterns that he chose to steer clear of. He said,

795
00:48:18,680 --> 00:48:22,040
Speaker 1: I know, I know that that you know, and I

796
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: really don't think and I know. For me, it's not

797
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: about drinking or not drinking, it's about understanding how the

798
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 1: patterns are and generation generational continuance. I believe someone can

799
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,120
Speaker 1: can drink moderately and have great kids, but you have

800
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: to be aware. It really comes down to awareness. So

801
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:44,600
Speaker 1: I appreciated the fact that because because he had to

802
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: see something in them that he didn't want and adjust

803
00:48:48,120 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: his life according and in Mr Roy did something that's

804
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,880
Speaker 1: very hard. He he broke something that was not common

805
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: for people to be able to break, like to be

806
00:48:58,000 --> 00:48:59,799
Speaker 1: able to have that kind of awareness and just do

807
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: it ninety degree turn. And hey, that's the reason that

808
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: podcast is about Roy Clark. I had I had a

809
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: few one person particular that wrote me and and and

810
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: he missed the whole point of everything I was doing

811
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: because he tried to tell me that there were better

812
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 1: bear hunters than Roy Clark that I could have done

813
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: a podcast with. And I mean and I I took

814
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,759
Speaker 1: liberty to like, smack the guy upside the head really did.

815
00:49:27,080 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't somebody I knew it was like, because I

816
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:42,400
Speaker 1: was just like, basically, I feel the liberty to highlight

817
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 1: like nobody's perfect. I mean like James Lawrence isn't perfect,

818
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: Roy Clark getting perfect, Gary nuclemtting perfect. But the people

819
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: that I highlight have some level of character and that

820
00:49:53,719 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: is something that I that I deeply value. Identified so

821
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:10,759
Speaker 1: much with what he was talking about and how emotion

822
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: emotionally got I was talking. I got a friend in England,

823
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 1: Adam Deane, that listens to the podcast. This guy has

824
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,479
Speaker 1: such a passion for all the stuff that we do.

825
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: And there are no coons in the United Kingdom. There

826
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: ain't enough coon dogs in England to fill up that

827
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: dog pin right out there, but he absolutely loves it.

828
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,319
Speaker 1: And he and I were talking the other day back

829
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: and forth, and he said, he said, you know, you

830
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 1: described coon hunting so eloquently to me, and I'm like, well,

831
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need to hear this back. What did I say?

832
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 1: He said, well, you told me that you know, coon

833
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,480
Speaker 1: hunting wasn't coon huntan wasn't at the tree. Coon hunting

834
00:50:51,560 --> 00:50:55,919
Speaker 1: was everything before and everything after and and he's right,

835
00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's me sitting out in the backyard

836
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 1: with my watching my coon dog and my little girl

837
00:51:01,760 --> 00:51:04,160
Speaker 1: run around the backyard, or my wife come home from

838
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: Texas Hill day with a bow tie for this dog

839
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: to wherever, and this dog is just that's the whole thing,

840
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 1: the whole embodiment of it. And that's what I got

841
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: out of Mr Roy's passion and how emotionally was about it. Man,

842
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,719
Speaker 1: I get it. And if you get it, the guy

843
00:51:20,760 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: that wrote you the story or the roads that note

844
00:51:23,120 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: about there are better bear hunters out there. There may

845
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 1: be more successful in numbers of bear hunters out there, probably,

846
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: but they probably ain't no better one than that. And

847
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 1: he missed what I appreciated about Roy. So I went

848
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:40,839
Speaker 1: back from an old podcast like that. I took that

849
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: that conversation out of context and played it. And Roy

850
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 1: never gave a second thought to him breaking down into

851
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: tears in front of There were twenty people in that room.

852
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 1: Like in the podcast, there were four guys that had

853
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: headsets on. There were twenty people. There was like a

854
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: live recording like neighbors, grandkids and they and and I

855
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,600
Speaker 1: actually thought, you know, I wonder if Roy is gonna say, hey,

856
00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 1: don't put that on there. That embarrassed me. It never

857
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: occurred to him, like he just he just is what

858
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:22,760
Speaker 1: he is. And that's that's powerful, especially in a culture

859
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,160
Speaker 1: that defines manhood and all these false ways. I mean

860
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 1: for a man, for a grown man to be able

861
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,400
Speaker 1: to look across the room and call somebody out and

862
00:52:31,440 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: break into tears and then immediately jump back into talking

863
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: about bear dogs. To me, that's where does that happen?

864
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:43,399
Speaker 1: Emotion like, that's that's that's good. Well, that granted the

865
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: sun the guy that got on there and it said,

866
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: see how important it is to us. Put in that

867
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 1: same position, I could see that guy doing the same thing.

868
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we just scripted out for everybody in that

869
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 1: room that looked up to him that hey, this is

870
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 1: it's okay too. It's okay to cry, it's okay to

871
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:04,360
Speaker 1: have to express affection for someone, and not just it's okay,

872
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:07,919
Speaker 1: but as Roy Clark, I am a man, and this

873
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:10,600
Speaker 1: is how you be a man. It's not just permit,

874
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,719
Speaker 1: it's not okay you can do that, but if you're

875
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 1: gonna be a man, this is how you be a man.

876
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: Another thing He said that it's similar to what you

877
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: know Gary about maybe the negative side to keep him

878
00:53:20,880 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 1: people around, but I liked it anyway. He said, you know,

879
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: if this is a if you want to have, if

880
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,320
Speaker 1: you want to make money, this is a terrible place

881
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: to live and do life. But if you want to

882
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: have a close family, and I'm paraphrasing what he said,

883
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,080
Speaker 1: he said, I believe there's no better place in the world.

884
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,840
Speaker 1: And I think just that value of he knows what's

885
00:53:42,880 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 1: important to him, and he goes about building his family

886
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: that way, and so he structured his life in particular

887
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: ways to make that happen. That's the that's the ninety

888
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: degree turn from the popular culture, which is what you're

889
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: gonna you. You gotta get it an education, and you

890
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: gotta get a job, and you gotta get a two

891
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:07,000
Speaker 1: car garage. And I mean I've got to I've got

892
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: a ton of education, but I still want to have

893
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:14,400
Speaker 1: a family. You know, Well, it was Yeah, I thought

894
00:54:14,640 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: I thought that. I thought Dr Dr Pierce did a

895
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,359
Speaker 1: good job of showing a balanced perspective. Dr Pierce has

896
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: a book called um Corn, Uh, what's it called? Corn

897
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: from a Corn from a Jar? Corn from a Jar?

898
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: And it's about moonshiners. And he says in the book

899
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 1: that his point was too humanize moonshiners, which was interesting

900
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 1: because I came into it not wanting to glorify it.

901
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell the story. And Uh, and

902
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:48,240
Speaker 1: he I think he gave a really balanced, good view,

903
00:54:48,719 --> 00:54:51,400
Speaker 1: like you'd learned something listening to that. I thought he

904
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: did a good job. The NASCAR stuff was cool anyway.

905
00:54:55,480 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: The podcast to me, I mean, I loved it. What's

906
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:01,240
Speaker 1: so cool about this is I'm I'm researching the stuff

907
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: that I'm interested in. So like I could have made

908
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:05,600
Speaker 1: that podcast and like nobody heard it and me just

909
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 1: listen to it, and I would have. I would have

910
00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:10,279
Speaker 1: loved it. It's like all all stuff, but I'm like

911
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: super interested in. But the big question is, would you

912
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: listen to this podcast The Render with these stories? Of course,

913
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:21,959
Speaker 1: get your guitar out, all right, what are you gonna

914
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:24,640
Speaker 1: what are you gonna sing? Us? Well, I hope my

915
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: guitar is still in tune, first of all. But I

916
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:30,560
Speaker 1: picked a song that, uh has a lot of layers

917
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 1: here relative to what we talked about and just The

918
00:55:34,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: Render in general. This is a song written by Jimmy Driftwood,

919
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 1: recorded by Doc Watson, nineteen sixty six. All right, let's

920
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: hear what's it called. It's called Tennessee Stud. Oh, this

921
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:57,279
Speaker 1: is gonna be good round about eighteen twin. If I

922
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:03,479
Speaker 1: haven't left Tennessee very much alive, I never would admit

923
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:05,759
Speaker 1: it through the Arkansas. But if I hadn't been a

924
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 1: riding on the Tennessee stood, I had some trouble with

925
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 1: my sweethearts Paul, one of her brothers, was about out long,

926
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 1: so's some of your camera wrote her a letter by

927
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,320
Speaker 1: my uncle, and I rode away on the Tennessee stood.

928
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: The Tennessee Stud was long and lean, the color of

929
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,359
Speaker 1: the sun, and his eyes were green. He had the nerve,

930
00:56:36,520 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: and he had the blood, and the nevil was a

931
00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 1: horse like the Tennessee Stud drifted on down into no

932
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:51,800
Speaker 1: man's land, across that river called the Rio grand I

933
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:54,720
Speaker 1: reached my horse with the spaniards full till I gotten

934
00:56:54,760 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: me a skin full of SimMan and gold. Me and

935
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 1: the gambler we couldn't agree, and we got in a

936
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 1: fight over Tennessee. We drew our guns, and he fell

937
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 1: with the night road away on the Tennessee. He stood

938
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color of the sun,

939
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 1: and his eyes were green. He had the nerve, and

940
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,439
Speaker 1: he had the blood, and the never was a horse

941
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 1: like the Tennessee. He stood, guy, just launch him as

942
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: a man can be, dreaming of the girl in Tennessee.

943
00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: The Tennessee studs green eyes turned blue because he was

944
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: a dreaming of a sweetheart too. We loped right back

945
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: across our innsas whipped her brother, and I whipped her palm.

946
00:57:55,320 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 1: That's right, no relationship. I found that girl with the

947
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: golden hair, and she was riding on the Tennessee mayor

948
00:58:02,520 --> 00:58:08,760
Speaker 1: Tennessee burn. Tennessee stud was long and lean, the color

949
00:58:08,800 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: of the sun, and his eyes were green. He had

950
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:14,920
Speaker 1: the nerve v and he had the blood, and the

951
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:22,120
Speaker 1: never was a horse like the Tennessee. He stood stirrup

952
00:58:22,120 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 1: to stir up, in side by side across the mountains

953
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 1: and the valleys wide. We came to Big Muddy and

954
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,480
Speaker 1: we fought the other flood on the Tennessee. There in

955
00:58:32,520 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: the Tennessee stud, pretty little baby on the cabin floor,

956
00:58:40,280 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 1: a little horse cool playing around the door. I love

957
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: that girl with the golden hair, and the Tennessee Studd

958
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: Love the Tennessee mayor. The Tennessee stud was long and lean,

959
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 1: the color of the sun, and his eyes were green.

960
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,440
Speaker 1: He and the nerve van he had the blood and

961
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 1: then never was a horse like the Tennessee right on

962
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: the awesome. That's right, perfect, perfect, That is a heck

963
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,160
Speaker 1: of a song. You know, so many layers grin from

964
00:59:23,160 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: ear to ear every time I hear Arkansas, and so

965
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I cannot help it. I'm like, I love it.

966
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 1: When you told me pick one, how one of mine?

967
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: I was like, I know, the one equines Arkansas. Tennessee's

968
00:59:38,840 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: hard to ram Arkansas. Well, hey, thanks a ton, guys,

969
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: Thank each and every one of you. This has been

970
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: a good render. And keep the wild places wild because

971
00:59:49,880 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: that's where the bears live and that's where we get beared. Groups.

972
01:00:01,000 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I hear your best out hood, Josh. I feel so

973
01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: bad going after Brent because that's a good I'm glad

974
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: going okay, yeah, okay, Gary, don't let me down for

975
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: that's that's good. That's I can do anything. That's the

976
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:36,200
Speaker 1: best one yet, that's okay. Next time trying out next time,