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Speaker 1: All right, here we go with a new edition up

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Speaker 1: between the Horns, always presented by your Southern California. Tell

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Speaker 1: you to dealers with Maurice Jones Drew and to Marco

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Speaker 1: far I'm JB.

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Speaker 2: Long.

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Speaker 1: Good to be back. Good to see you guys again.

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Speaker 1: Want to thank Kirsten Watson and Stuve Jackson. Yeah, Karen

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Speaker 1: Irwin and everyone who filled in around this show around

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Speaker 1: the holidays. Great to have them in. But I missed you.

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Speaker 2: Good and see fellas. Yes, good to be back. Man.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, it's after an l week, but it is what

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Speaker 3: it is. It's football. It happens.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, teams got to get right. We got to get right.

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Speaker 1: So we're back together.

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Speaker 2: I love it. There you go. Yes, this is like

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Speaker 2: the best time of the year. Actually it is. It is.

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Speaker 3: You know, did we say this last week? I know

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Speaker 3: it's a it's a coaching thing like football doesn't begin

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Speaker 3: until after Thanksgiving. Oh my god, boy, ain't that the truth?

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Speaker 3: Here we go because it is what I mean. This

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Speaker 3: is where you separate. This is where you know, good

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Speaker 3: teams go to great teams or the other way. Good

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Speaker 3: teams go the opposite way. This is where you have

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Speaker 3: to be tough. It gets cold, the weather changes. College

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Speaker 3: is just about over. School is just about over. This

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Speaker 3: is the pros, this is the pay league. This is

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Speaker 3: why it's so tough, and this is why you make

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Speaker 3: so much money in this league. It's tough from here.

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Speaker 3: So this is where football begins.

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Speaker 4: I think this is where you start to separate yourselves too. Like,

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Speaker 4: you know, the teams that are kind of bad, they

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Speaker 4: kind of tend to fall off a little bit. The

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Speaker 4: teams that are great, that want to be great and

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Speaker 4: are on a mission, they continue to get better each week,

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Speaker 4: and you start to see the separation. There's a lot

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Speaker 4: of teams though. There's a lot of parody in the

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Speaker 4: league though right now, which is it's like confusing, right,

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Speaker 4: there's so many like seven and six, six and six.

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Speaker 4: There's just so much going on, right, It's just like

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Speaker 4: and then this next month of the season, you're gonna

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Speaker 4: see teams that are six and six go to six

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Speaker 4: and ten or vice versa, and the teams that are

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Speaker 4: up there, I like the rams. It's time for you

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Speaker 4: to start to separate and really put some of your

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Speaker 4: best football there on tape.

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Speaker 1: Missed a chance to separate on Sunday, though, My goodness,

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Speaker 1: that was after Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: It was I think it was necessary though, and it.

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Speaker 1: Made that point right away, and I agreed with you

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Speaker 1: in real time, but each day that goes by, disagree.

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Speaker 2: No, it was necessary.

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Speaker 4: I think I would rather you would rather stumble in

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Speaker 4: late November than stumble in late December. And the reason

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Speaker 4: I say that is, yes, that was a winnable game. Yes,

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Speaker 4: that team, the Rams should have went. We saw all

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Speaker 4: the Rams fans there, which was awesome, and it was

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Speaker 4: it was it was just but.

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Speaker 2: It was just something. It just was weird.

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Speaker 4: I mean, we had told you about that stadium. It's

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Speaker 4: just a weird situation I had. I had flashbacks of

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Speaker 4: when I played in the Tsunami Bowl. It was just

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Speaker 4: it was just a weird time. And they had a

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Speaker 4: great game plan. They be in the Caroline, had a

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Speaker 4: great offensive game plan, They controlled the ball, they took

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Speaker 4: majority of the third quarter up.

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Speaker 2: And they executed. The Rams had an opportunity, fumbled it

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Speaker 4: But what that does is it forces you to lock

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Speaker 4: in and refocus on all the little things you did

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Speaker 4: during that six game winning.

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Speaker 3: It reminds you of how fast things can go away.

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Speaker 3: If you don't play your best game week in week out.

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Speaker 1: Do you think this team needed that reminder that?

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'll say this now, this is just my own

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Speaker 3: personal experience. This is going back to the embryo stage

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Speaker 3: of the Greatest Show on Turf. We lost a game

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Speaker 3: in Detroit that we should not have lost. We lost

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Speaker 3: of like that. We didn't play that well. It was

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Speaker 3: fluky at the end they beat us. We did in

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Speaker 3: Everything that we've been praising ourselves over could go away

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Speaker 3: if we don't play well, if we let these little

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Speaker 2: Now you know what I mean, that little moment.

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Speaker 3: That I don't want to say loss of focus, but

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Speaker 3: just when you let one get away, it happened. Now

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Speaker 3: there's your reminder. Let's button it up for the rest

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Speaker 4: I always tell people success can be a bad thing too, right,

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Speaker 4: A mask a lot of your issues, I thought, And

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Speaker 4: this is not a negative thing.

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Speaker 2: I thought.

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Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford took some chances. There was a pass play

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Speaker 2: When he threw that, I was like, Oh, that's that's

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Speaker 2: a risky throw, right.

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Speaker 4: But you've made You've made so many plays like that

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Speaker 2: Focusing on those type of things.

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Speaker 4: I thought, the pick, the tip pick, or the batted

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Speaker 4: started to see him become more aggressive as a quarterback

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Speaker 4: great play by the dB. We've seen him make that throw,

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Speaker 4: I got to get back to what we were doing beforehand.

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Speaker 4: I don't need to take as many chances. We don't

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Speaker 4: need to take as many chances in these situations. Defensively,

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Speaker 4: I think you have to be more consistent with stopping

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Speaker 4: the run and tighter coverage on third down. We always

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Speaker 4: talk about the loose covers that the Rams like to play.

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Speaker 4: That team attacked that loose coverage third and four, you

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Speaker 4: what are the holes that we saw leading up to

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Speaker 4: it's hard to be like this doesn't work right because

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Speaker 4: I rather it happened in November the last part of

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Speaker 4: week of January you know when you've had so much success.

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Speaker 1: I got a lot of follow ups on those perceived issues,

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Speaker 1: whether or not they are issues moving in this final

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Speaker 1: closing stretch. But first, how good do you have to

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Speaker 1: be to turn it over three times in a loss

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Speaker 1: on the last day of the month and still be

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Speaker 1: named NFC Offensive Player of the Month like Matthew Stafford.

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Speaker 2: That tells you.

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Speaker 4: That tells you how good he was playing. Like, that's

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Speaker 4: what I'm saying. When you're playing, when you're playing the

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Speaker 4: way he was playing. Uh, And I still thought he

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Speaker 4: But that just tells you how good he was playing.

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Speaker 4: And that's what happens. Like I always tell people, I

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Speaker 4: I felt like I could walk on the water at times,

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Speaker 4: and I started doing things that were uncharacteristic, like you know,

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Speaker 4: it against let's say the Houston Texans and I get crushed, right,

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Speaker 4: Demko Ryans is right there right. So it's just like

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Speaker 4: those things remind you like, Okay, let me get back

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Speaker 2: And so that that's all I'm saying, is like it

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Speaker 4: Of getting back into who you were when you're you're

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Speaker 1: I think the m v P will be decided from

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Speaker 1: this day forward though, for all the consternation over who's

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Speaker 1: Matthew's gonna be MVP, I think easy.

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Speaker 2: I agree one, yes, absolutely. That's another thing.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm kind of glad that happened in Carolina because

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Speaker 3: if it's spurs on another great stretch, then so be it.

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Speaker 2: It would be worth it.

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Speaker 1: So I always go searching for a perspective, right to

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Speaker 1: Any would anyone signed that contract. Yes, and for Matthew

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Speaker 1: would have said, Okay, good things are gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: Since DeMarco retired as a Ram, nine and three starts

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Speaker 1: are better for the for the Rams. Four of them.

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Speaker 1: Really three under Sean mcvag including this.

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Speaker 2: I've been retired a while now. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I was trying to you know.

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Speaker 2: A little bit put out there, little sideway shot. I

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Speaker 3: But I mean, uh, look, this team and this quarterback

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Speaker 3: to be something special. This is what I mean about

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Speaker 3: losing and why I guess I'm encouraged by it. All

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Speaker 3: depends on how they take the field on Sunday, because

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Speaker 3: they're saying the right things. Even coach McVeigh said it.

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Speaker 3: It might have been his longest post game speech i've

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Speaker 3: heard him say in the locker room afterwards, talking about this,

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Speaker 3: how this is going to be a blessing in this guise.

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Speaker 2: I can't wait to get back to work.

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Speaker 3: If they take the field and go out and prove

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Speaker 3: it good, then it was all for the positive. But

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Speaker 3: for right now, coming off a loss, it does hurt

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Speaker 3: you as far as Standings go. It's a punishing loss,

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Speaker 3: but it doesn't have to end everything. I hope you

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Speaker 3: get motivated. It could be the carrot they needed, Like

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Speaker 3: you said, to take it to a whole new level.

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Speaker 2: And I agree with you, Mo.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there are some things that you think you're

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Speaker 3: You think you're doing everything that you need to do

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Speaker 1: I think that's exactly it. And I think it's what

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Speaker 3: That reminded me of every single loss ever had as

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Speaker 3: But it was still it was still an option for them,

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Speaker 3: Okay, slap me if I'm crazy. Not really, he reminds

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Speaker 1: He is activating his eligibles better than his predecessors.

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Speaker 2: I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's a broken record. That's what's going

441
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Speaker 4: to be for the next how manyver wigs. The Rams

442
00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,480
Speaker 4: play is stop the run, force him to throw the football. Defensively,

443
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Speaker 4: I would say I agree with you. I think that

444
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,359
Speaker 4: Jacoby Prissett has played so much football and has been

445
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Speaker 4: in so many systems that he knows coverages and what

446
00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,280
Speaker 4: things look, so he knows where he wants to go

447
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,040
Speaker 4: with the football. The problem is a lot of these

448
00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:06,720
Speaker 4: passes he's throwing they are fifteen twenty yards down the field,

449
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Speaker 4: so he has to hold on to it, which plays

450
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Speaker 4: in the rams favor on certain situations. If you can

451
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Speaker 4: stop the run and force these guys to get downfield,

452
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Speaker 4: play a little tighter coverage, make sure that they have

453
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Speaker 4: to go down the field, you'll get those sacks that

454
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Speaker 4: you're looking for in those pressures that you want. Again,

455
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Speaker 4: I just think a lot of teams you're game planning

456
00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 4: four set pressure, right, and I go back to Carolina

457
00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,120
Speaker 4: when you're taking a one step drop out of shotgun

458
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Speaker 4: on third and six, that's all because of the guys

459
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Speaker 4: in front of you. That has nothing to do with this, like, oh,

460
00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,600
Speaker 4: they're playing off coverage here, we're gonna run what I

461
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Speaker 4: don't know what the teams call it now, but dragon,

462
00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,040
Speaker 4: which is like drag slant.

463
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Speaker 2: Here we go ball out quick, right.

464
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Speaker 4: And so those are the things I don't when I

465
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Speaker 4: watch Arizona, they don't run that type of game. That's

466
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Speaker 4: not Their game is like quick game stuff like that.

467
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Speaker 4: They want to get twelve fifteen yard chunks down the field.

468
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Speaker 4: They like to throw curls, so you're more of a

469
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Speaker 4: three step dropout of gun, which gives your pass rush

470
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Speaker 4: and opportunity to get to the quarterback, especially if the

471
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Speaker 4: coverage is there.

472
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Speaker 2: And so.

473
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Speaker 4: I could see this game matching up, but it only

474
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Speaker 4: matches up if you if you shut down that run early.

475
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Speaker 4: Because the Cardinals passing game doesn't seem like the quick

476
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Speaker 4: game that we saw. Now, let me say this before

477
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Speaker 4: I go anywhere else. I don't want people jump on me.

478
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Speaker 4: The Cardinals are the Panthers pass game to look like

479
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Speaker 4: this either for a couple of weeks before they played.

480
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Speaker 1: So don't try and figure out what the Carolina Panthers

481
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Speaker 1: are like. That's a fool's Errand oh my god, they're

482
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Speaker 1: very confusing. They make God on the wrong day.

483
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Speaker 4: Well, no, I think it's it's very similarly what they

484
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Speaker 4: did to the Packers and when they went to Green

485
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Speaker 4: Bays to New Orleans is what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Oh, no, no question, and probably will Yeah.

487
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Speaker 1: Quick question about Arizona before I forget who takes the

488
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Speaker 1: first snap of twenty twenty six for the Arizona Cardinals,

489
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Speaker 1: Kyler Murray or anyone else walking the planet?

490
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Speaker 2: Who's the coach? Both anyone else walking the planet?

491
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Speaker 1: You think it's over?

492
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Speaker 2: I do. There's too much money for it to be over. Man,

493
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Speaker 2: Who's who's gonna take that contract on? I don't. I

494
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Speaker 2: don't know. But the one thing I.

495
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Speaker 1: Can say know if they change coaches, then it doesn't

496
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Speaker 1: matter if that coach isn't signing up exactly.

497
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Speaker 3: But if it's Gannon, then locked at the hit, let's go,

498
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Speaker 3: you might be back to him. But I do see

499
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Speaker 3: a lot more Marvin Harrison. You can't help but see

500
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:18,280
Speaker 3: Trey McBride. But with a standard pocket passer, uh, they

501
00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,560
Speaker 3: seem to get a whole lot better at receiver and

502
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Speaker 3: going down the field with Brissett in there. So I mean,

503
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Speaker 3: whoever makes decisions there that's got to stand out. But

504
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Speaker 3: I'll tell you this, here's the other side of it.

505
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Speaker 3: Kyler Murray wouldn't take that many sacks, So there's the

506
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Speaker 3: other side, and he probably gets out of that that

507
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Speaker 3: sack that Brissett just ran himself into.

508
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Speaker 2: So, and they're still losing a ton of games.

509
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Speaker 1: But the way they're losing is I mean, owen seven

510
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Speaker 1: in games decided by four points or fire. I don't

511
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Speaker 1: know that I've ever seen anything like that.

512
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Speaker 2: I think the Chiefs are right there in that situation

513
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Speaker 2: right now.

514
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Speaker 1: They're playing the wrong season in the wrong division. That's

515
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Speaker 1: what Arizona's doing.

516
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Speaker 3: I think every one of their losses they could have

517
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Speaker 3: won the game. And that's that's said. That's maddening.

518
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Speaker 1: Yeah there, But to wake up call for a team

519
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Speaker 1: that's coming off one of those losses and going to

520
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Speaker 1: Arizona and has to play the Cardinals twice in these

521
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Speaker 1: final five weeks, no doubt. Yes, sir, what about that

522
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Speaker 1: guy Kalays Campbell's he's still playing?

523
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Speaker 4: You know, Kalais he does such a good job of

524
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Speaker 4: picking when he's in choosing when he wants to rush right,

525
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Speaker 4: I'll dare you. And but I'm not. But it's not

526
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Speaker 4: a negative thing. It's a smart thing, like I'm not

527
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Speaker 4: gonna waste these rushes.

528
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Speaker 2: Are you kidding me?

529
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Speaker 4: Now we get into a where I think you're gonna

530
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Speaker 4: hold the ball. I'm gonna give you all I got.

531
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Speaker 4: But he's smart he's a vet. He's gonna lean on you,

532
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Speaker 4: he's gonna do all this stuff. He's gonna play, he's

533
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Speaker 4: gonna run the games. And then when he gets a

534
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Speaker 4: chance to rush, when the opportunity fits, that's when he's

535
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Speaker 4: gonna rush. And you look at you look at the tape,

536
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Speaker 4: like when he wants to rush, he'll get back there.

537
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Speaker 4: But most of the time he's running games or he's

538
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Speaker 4: like kind of doing what Derek Brown did early on,

539
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Speaker 4: waiting to see to bat the ball down and then

540
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Speaker 4: eventually he'll rush. And that and that that's the that's

541
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Speaker 4: the only hard part about the game within the game,

542
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Speaker 4: which we saw last week is when Derek Brown rushed,

543
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Speaker 4: he had a sack fumble. I guess just like like

544
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Speaker 4: so it's like which one do you want?

545
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Speaker 3: Well, coming off a game where you threw a or

546
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Speaker 3: you had to pick that bounced off somebody, and then

547
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Speaker 3: you go to a guy that's even bigger.

548
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is what he does.

549
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Speaker 3: I do worry about his football, IQ because just like

550
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Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford, who's seen more football than Kalayis Campbell, you

551
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 3: know what I mean, everybody's schemes. He gets into your line,

552
00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:26,360
Speaker 3: calls so he may not be able to dominate physically,

553
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 3: but his knowledge can watch out for this. He's going

554
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Speaker 3: to this. This is what this check means. And plus,

555
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Speaker 3: like you said, when he does turn it on. He's

556
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Speaker 3: one of the few bigs what I mean by bigs,

557
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Speaker 3: the tall guys that actually uses his size.

558
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Speaker 2: Oh my god, you know what I mean.

559
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Speaker 3: Like when he gets that four body lean and gets

560
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Speaker 3: you away from him, he can walk you right back

561
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 3: to the quarterback. May not get a sack, but it's

562
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Speaker 3: hard to throw when your guard is sitting in your lap,

563
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Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Or your tackle is so

564
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Speaker 3: so much of a leader, and Buddha Baker's out there.

565
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Speaker 3: We still haven't figured out how to put a cap

566
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Speaker 3: on Buddha Baker.

567
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Speaker 2: No one has.

568
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Speaker 4: I feel like he just does. I feel like he's

569
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Speaker 4: more of like a Troy Paul. He sees something, he

570
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 4: just takes a shot. Yeah, sometimes he hits. He's probably

571
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Speaker 4: eighty production, equal tolerance. You keep making plays, do what

572
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Speaker 4: you want.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it feels like there's three of him out there.

574
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Speaker 1: Whenever we play the Cardinals, him.

575
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Speaker 2: Come he's playing. Why is he on the line of scrimmage?

576
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Speaker 2: They're in covered through and there's no deep safety. Yeah,

577
00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 2: he's making a sack.

578
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Speaker 3: None of that made him play ninety yards down that

579
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Speaker 3: when you started on the line of scrimmage.

580
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Speaker 2: Unbelievable.

581
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Speaker 1: I know what I wanted to ask you, Maurice Demark.

582
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Speaker 1: We get on this too. But the roller coaster that

583
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Speaker 1: I have ridden with our fan base over the last

584
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Speaker 1: few weeks with respect to the running game, here's like

585
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Speaker 1: a small sample size. We went from Kiren can't secure it,

586
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Speaker 1: go to Blake to then Kiren's on a heater, or

587
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Speaker 1: why are they playing Blake to now they're both ripping

588
00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: off chunk plays, but they're doing it in different ways.

589
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 1: So the other thing I'll set you up on is

590
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Speaker 1: I remember when he was drafted, I was guilty of

591
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Speaker 1: saying other people were too. Oh, the Rams have a type,

592
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 1: They've got Kyen two point zero, but the way they're

593
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Speaker 1: running them now, they don't look anything alike. They have

594
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Speaker 1: a type, yeah, but their running style completely different.

595
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Speaker 4: And I think the Rams you're seeing some similar runs

596
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 4: where they'll both run outside zone, they'll both run duo inside.

597
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 4: But you'll see some runs that Blake will only run

598
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Speaker 4: right And I think he really jumped out on the

599
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,840
Speaker 4: scene against Carolina with that, to me, it was that

600
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 4: big run where he ran down the middle then.

601
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Speaker 2: Broke out right. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

602
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,239
Speaker 4: He had to run through the smoke right, broke through

603
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 4: an arm tackle, shook the safety, went out right, and

604
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,119
Speaker 4: then you saw the burst right. And so to me,

605
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 4: getting those two guys going with Kiren's ability to maneuver

606
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Speaker 4: in short spaces, we saw getting Carolina making people missing

607
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 4: the whole getting skinny doing those things. Having both of

608
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Speaker 4: those guys go, and we saw the way they were

609
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Speaker 4: able to run from what the eight yard line, the

610
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Speaker 4: six yard line all the way down. I don't know

611
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Speaker 4: if they scored it. I don't remember if they scored

612
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 4: a touchdown or not on that drive, but to run

613
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Speaker 4: all the way down and do that.

614
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Speaker 2: The fourth court, so that was a touchdown. Yeah.

615
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,280
Speaker 4: And so to me, that is, uh, that's scary for defenses,

616
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 4: right because now I have a two headed monster that

617
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,320
Speaker 4: can go again. It reminds me when I was with

618
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 4: Fred Taylor very sick. We ran the same places. We

619
00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 4: had different running souves, and those run plays may be

620
00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 4: called the same for me, but they're gonna my running

621
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Speaker 4: soule is gonna make it look different.

622
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Speaker 2: Totally different. And that's the same with Blake and Kyron.

623
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Speaker 4: They're getting called the same plays, but their running stud

624
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 4: it makes it look completely different.

625
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 3: The vision is different. Like watching Blake Korm run. This

626
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 3: is so funny. You guys ever caught a fastball barehanded

627
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: when it's cold outside, That's what it looks like when

628
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:33,600
Speaker 3: he's running.

629
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Speaker 2: This is the last guy you want to be in

630
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,240
Speaker 2: front of. He runs for paint.

631
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Speaker 3: And when you think about later in the year, what's

632
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:42,680
Speaker 3: the one thing you were definitely not doing, Probably all

633
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: throughout the NFL, you're not tackling anybody in practice, right,

634
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 3: and then you got to tackle this guy on Sunday

635
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,280
Speaker 3: going a thousand miles an hour when the weather is cold.

636
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 3: He'll make you think twice. But I think his toughness

637
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,960
Speaker 3: around the goal line. And then Kyron Williams is invaluable

638
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 3: to this offense man because it's more than just carrying

639
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,160
Speaker 3: the football. Pass protection is stop notch and.

640
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,199
Speaker 2: His running by the goal line too is crazy. And

641
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,480
Speaker 2: what's the number one thing on this football team?

642
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:07,600
Speaker 1: Protect nine?

643
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Trust pick up.

644
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:14,040
Speaker 1: On that Xavior Smith career long pass. Yeah, even even

645
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 1: on the overload Blitz, didn't he get one?

646
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 2: Of the two picked the Yeah.

647
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I think the job for Stafford, this coaching

648
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:23,120
Speaker 3: staff and those two guys is you got to feed

649
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 3: them both because they're so important. And I think you're

650
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:27,840
Speaker 3: doing a good job striking a good balance. Yeah, because

651
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 3: both guys are getting the chance to do what they

652
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 3: do best.

653
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: Well.

654
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Speaker 1: I almost jumped in there because I think a percentage

655
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Speaker 1: of our audience was upset that McVeigh and the Rams

656
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: didn't lean more into their running game. But I think

657
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Speaker 1: when you're getting more than seven yards per play and

658
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Speaker 1: you only run into five third downs the whole day,

659
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what issue can take with the game

660
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: plan of the play calling.

661
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 2: I think it's just it was a weird game, and

662
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,840
Speaker 2: I think correct.

663
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: I mean you were carving them up, yeah, and you

664
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,919
Speaker 1: you throw two picks, one of which was bizarre, and

665
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 1: the strip sack comes after your only penalty of the

666
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 1: day on what probably should not have been a delay.

667
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 1: But there you have it, it wasn't a play calling

668
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 1: to me, And this is what I'll say this too,

669
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 1: is as someone who split the backfield, I love this

670
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,440
Speaker 1: series for series because Kiroen gets the first series, Blake

671
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 1: gets the second one. If you love it. When you

672
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: were splitting it, I.

673
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: Didn't, But now as as an older person, as a

674
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 4: more mature Maurice, I love it because what I remember,

675
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: I remember vividly if Fred were to break off a

676
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 4: running get tired, I would come in right and give

677
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 4: him a two or three play blow, and then he'd

678
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 4: come back in and do his thing, and so and

679
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 4: then vice versa on the other side. And when you

680
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 4: have two guys that get you can run your way

681
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: into the playoffs. And then again, if you look at

682
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 4: all the teams over the last couple of years that

683
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 4: went to the Super Bowl, they had great even can

684
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 4: see last year had a strong running game that helped

685
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 4: them get.

686
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: There, obviously Philly last year.

687
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,719
Speaker 4: Right, And so you want that when the Rams went

688
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,119
Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, what do they have two running backs

689
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,120
Speaker 4: that get tote the rock ran them through the playoffs?

690
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 2: Right, That's what you want.

691
00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:00,159
Speaker 4: And so it sets up the play action passed to

692
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 4: all that thing and another party does What does it

693
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 4: do for the defense?

694
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 3: You can run the football, you get to rest and

695
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 3: get ready. Absolutely you control the game.

696
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: And everything's crazy about their Super Bowl run is they

697
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: were not two dimensional. They had one way to beat you,

698
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: and it was a really really good way, and they

699
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: got there in some special moments. But I think what

700
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: they have now that I appreciate even coming off a loss,

701
00:28:18,359 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 1: is margin for air, because they can beat you in

702
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: lots of different ways. The defense can win you a game.

703
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: The running games can win you a game. Clearly, your

704
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 1: quarterback in your passing game can win you lots of games. Now,

705
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: when that margin for air is dried up by by

706
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: an inability to get off the grass on defense and

707
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: three giveaways, it goes sideways. But the last time we

708
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: have to see a game.

709
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 2: By three with the game in your hands, it wasn't

710
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: like it was.

711
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 3: Be honest, when when when Fred Taylor's out there ripping,

712
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 3: you're not really like mad, You're just kind of jealous.

713
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm like, yo, let me get some of this.

714
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: It's sweet out here. They're sweet. I gotta get some.

715
00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 2: I'll tell you.

716
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 4: We're playing in Denver, and I know this is all.

717
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 4: We're playing in Denver, and I remember Fred. He got

718
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 4: hit and they thought he had a concussion, so he

719
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 4: went out, and when he went out, your boy started

720
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 4: going crazy.

721
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,320
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah. I looked to the side and my dog

722
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 2: was back on the side doing high knees. I was like, oh.

723
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 2: He was like, is it good. I was like, oh yeah,

724
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: you come get you something, right, I come get you.

725
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: So he's like, oh it is, but get out. I

726
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 2: gotta give you. Like that's what it's like. Don't leave

727
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: the sidelines.

728
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm sure they're both loving their circumstances

729
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: because the way this passing offense is going, you're getting

730
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: favorable box counts. And then look at the way the

731
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 1: offensive line, the tight ends, and the receivers are competing on

732
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: that blocking surface. Like there's a reason why they're grading

733
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: out so well in the running game.

734
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: Uh remember it.

735
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: It was a couple of weeks ago with Kobe Parkinson

736
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,520
Speaker 3: taking over as the in line tight end. He has

737
00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 3: accepted that role, rooting guys out, being the point of

738
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,959
Speaker 3: attack guy and smart knowing when to let go so

739
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 3: to speak, you know what I mean, and not draw

740
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 3: the holding call. He's gotten so much better and then

741
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 3: he's still a threat tight ends. Everybody up front getting

742
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,520
Speaker 3: the right guy for the most part has been great

743
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: and the vision by the backs has been af So

744
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 3: I agree with you one hundred percent. You were absolutely

745
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,240
Speaker 3: pounding the daylights you have nothing to be ashamed of.

746
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 3: The only thing you need to clean up the takeaways.

747
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: If you cleaned up the takeaways, you win that game

748
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: in a walk. And the whole situation is different. And

749
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 3: it's all based on running the football and the guys

750
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 3: are blocking.

751
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: Takeaways count like a fourth down stop.

752
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: Yes, takeaway. I have to give you credit.

753
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: You talked about Kobe Parks and coming from Seattle, how

754
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,600
Speaker 4: he was great it as one of the top run blockers.

755
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: I was like, Ah, he's more of a receiving threat

756
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 4: from Stanford. That's kind of what I saw him as.

757
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 4: But you're right, he's accepted that role and you've really

758
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 4: seen him take on that edge and he's not allowing penetration,

759
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 4: which the most important thing. He's keeping the line of

760
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 4: the line of scrimmage flat so the running back can

761
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 4: make movest job.

762
00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,240
Speaker 2: And that's what you're looking for. Obviously that was Tyler

763
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:41,880
Speaker 2: Higbey's thing.

764
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 4: But he's really, like you said, I think he's accepted

765
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 4: that role and it really he's it's I want to

766
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 4: say he shocked me, but I'm excited that he's accepted

767
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 4: that role and he's doing a much better job than

768
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 4: he did last year for sure.

769
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Speaking of tight ends, you know what got overlooked because

770
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,080
Speaker 1: Puka had such an outrageous catch the one that Tiefer

771
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: almost had at the sideline.

772
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: Man, no, he call it was just out of bounds,

773
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 2: That's what I mean. He caught it. He made sure

774
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: to let you know. Still I caught it.

775
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: I still think he sets the rams ceiling, oh this year,

776
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: or he elevates the ceiling. The ceilings already way up

777
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: in the attic, but I think he can take it

778
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 1: to that next level.

779
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: What I what I love seeing from him is when

780
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 4: he they're in that thirteen personnel and he's at wide

781
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 4: receiver right right, was that like sixty five sixty six

782
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 4: standing out there like that's a tight end That it's

783
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 4: someone a corner is going to have to have to

784
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 4: eventually cover down the field.

785
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,360
Speaker 3: You know what else is scary? Arizona does that and

786
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 3: they have McBride. Yeah, yeah, that that's that's pretty scary.

787
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: He's a problem. What was the word you standings? I

788
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 1: think right another way of saying it. There's one on

789
00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: the topic that shall not be mentioned. Cardinals outside of

790
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: this studio, in this facility.

791
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 2: He's talking cardinals.

792
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: I want to talk about it.

793
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,160
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. You know I love this.

794
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: So here's one way to jump into this. I'm going

795
00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 1: to give you the contenders and their remaining schedule, and

796
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,240
Speaker 1: I want you to tell me how many wins they

797
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 1: finish with, because that'll dictate how many of these final

798
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 1: five the Rams have to win. But let me open

799
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: the conversation this way. Who should the Rams be rooting for?

800
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: Between the Bears and the Packers this week?

801
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 2: Oh, the Packers, root for the Packers. For the Packers.

802
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: Knock the Bears off off the number one, off the

803
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 4: number one. I know, I know, people, I'm living the now. Guy,

804
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 4: I don't care about the future. Let us get back

805
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 4: to number one.

806
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: I want. I want to control. I want to control everything,

807
00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 2: like I don't want. I don't want.

808
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: Serious saying that we only need one favor. Yeah, just

809
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: go ahead and do the sooner you can get it,

810
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: get it?

811
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,200
Speaker 2: Yeah.

812
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 4: And then the reason I say that is when we

813
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 4: can control things, I'm a control Yeah.

814
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 2: Let me, let me let me yeah.

815
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 4: Yeah.

816
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: But the Bears are nine to three. Here's their remaining schedule. Okay,

817
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 1: so from nine wins, how many they finished with at

818
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: Green Bay home and home against green Bay, Green Bay, Cleveland,

819
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: Green Bay at San Francisco home against the Lions. How

820
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: many of those final five do they win?

821
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: Who knows?

822
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 1: Green Bay, Cleveland, Green Bay at San Francisco Detroit.

823
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 2: Tell three. I say they get three of those.

824
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: You think they do three? Okay, I'll take the under

825
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: on three.

826
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: Really you think they get two.

827
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: What's wild about where we are is the Bears could

828
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: be the one seed and I would not be surprised.

829
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: Or they could tumble all the way out of the

830
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: picture and I would not be surprised.

831
00:33:14,600 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 3: That I agree with because I'm still not sure. I mean, okay,

832
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 3: I'll put you down for twelve. You think twelve, I

833
00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 3: think they get twelve.

834
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 2: This one.

835
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 4: They're running the football at a rate no doubt, and

836
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 4: as much as you know this is gonna hurt me,

837
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 4: I'll take twelve. Jonah Jackson is doing I was afraid

838
00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 4: you're gonna mention God, And.

839
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,920
Speaker 2: Again he was Johnson.

840
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: He wasn't healthy here, but oh my god. Yeah, like

841
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 4: what they're doing there is crazy.

842
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 1: Uh, let me go to the Let me go to

843
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: the Packers next. Just because we're talking about them, so

844
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: Chicago twice. They also go at Denver home to Baltimore

845
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: at Minnesota. Packers are eight three and one of those five?

846
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:58,640
Speaker 1: How many do they win? Chicago twice, at Denver, Baltimore

847
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 1: and at Minnesota.

848
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: Tough, Minnesota.

849
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,240
Speaker 4: I say they're gonna split. They're gonna split with Chicago. Okay,

850
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 4: they're gonna lose to Denver.

851
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: It's at Denver, right at Denvern, Baltimore and Minnesota that

852
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: you're at Minnesota. Okay, that's ten.

853
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: And then Baltimore's depends on what lamar you get.

854
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put him down for eleven eleven Okay. Eagles

855
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,840
Speaker 1: Monday Night football at so Far against the Chargers.

856
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 4: Oh, that's a dub, which is crazy because this guy

857
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 4: is not gonna play.

858
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 2: He's not gonna.

859
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 1: Play Las Vegas. Okay, two games against Washington Division games

860
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: and at Buffalo.

861
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,760
Speaker 3: So they're gonna win four of those. Yes, that puts

862
00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 3: them at twelve and five.

863
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: Twelve and five, okay, Okay, so there's another twelve win team.

864
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 1: I'm sure this is great YouTube television, but.

865
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:50,319
Speaker 2: They're doing the same thing.

866
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 1: If you've made it this far, we're almost done. Seattle.

867
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: Here's another fun one.

868
00:34:57,360 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 2: Change the look on my face.

869
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: Seattle at Atlanta. It's kind of the no bad outcomes

870
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 1: here from the Rams. But can we agree it's time

871
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 1: to table April of twenty twenty six and focus on

872
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 1: the here and now.

873
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 2: Yes, you can. You need Atlanta.

874
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: This is the one time I'm rooting for Seattle because

875
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: then the only reason is because I want to get

876
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 4: like a top five.

877
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for Atlanta. Braheen. Come on, I want a

878
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 2: top five pick.

879
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 1: You're on your You're on an island.

880
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 2: Take it. Come on, Atlanta.

881
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:24,839
Speaker 1: You already got a good pick.

882
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 2: It's already going to be good. What happened?

883
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: What happened to mister control over?

884
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 2: I said, that's why I can you control of the season? Yeah?

885
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: I do, because we get to play them. I get

886
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 2: a chance to control it.

887
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,919
Speaker 1: I see I thought he would.

888
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: Yeah.

889
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 1: Okay, anyways, Atlanta home to Indy.

890
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 2: Who knows Indy, Indy, Indy could be the one.

891
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:51,040
Speaker 1: Okay, Thursday Night football against the Rams at Carolina at

892
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: San Francisco to finish line win team Falcons, Colts, Rams, Panthers, Niners.

893
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 2: I can see them winning two of the two two games.

894
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 1: So you think they're an eleven win team.

895
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: I think they're eleven win team.

896
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,080
Speaker 1: So you really aren't worried about the Seahawks.

897
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: It's hard to win in Seattle. Okay, I was gonna

898
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 2: say twelve.

899
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: Eleven point five. Yeah, okay, let's say whatever.

900
00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:16,839
Speaker 2: Let's go give them twelve, given twelve.

901
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 1: And then the last one before we talk about the Rams.

902
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 1: The team that's sitting on their couch with their feet up,

903
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: getting healthy.

904
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:24,640
Speaker 2: This is nothing to do.

905
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 1: The Niners have nine wins, they're on a bye. Here's

906
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 1: how they finish. Titans at home, win ten at Indy.

907
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 1: It depends, Okay, home to Chicago, home to Seattle.

908
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 3: See, I'll say zero to two in that. I think

909
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 3: I'll believe in Chicago and who was the other team?

910
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 3: And at Indy, So they're gonna I think they're gonna

911
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 3: lose to Indy and they'll lose the Seattle Seattle.

912
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: Yes, so you've got them as an eleven win, Yeah,

913
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: eleven and eleven and six, because.

914
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 2: You said who else they have? They they they're at home.

915
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: One of the Titans that's ten at Indie you had

916
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: as a loss. Yep, home to Chicago.

917
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 2: Yep, they'll win that one.

918
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: That's eleven home to Seattle, and.

919
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 3: They'll lose to Seattle. Corner and Bosa are still out

920
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 3: and they're not coming back. Okay, defensively, I think they've

921
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 3: done a great job staying alive. They've masked some yes,

922
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: stand alive.

923
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 1: The way that we just loosely map that out, you

924
00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: got a couple of eleven win teams and at least

925
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: three twelve win teams, So the Rams got to get

926
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:23,720
Speaker 1: to thirteen.

927
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 4: But what I what I believe is you you have

928
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,439
Speaker 4: control of some of these things, right, you have to win.

929
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,320
Speaker 4: You obviously have to win your games, but going to Seattle,

930
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 4: winning sweeping Seattle is going to be huge on a

931
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 4: Thursday night. I think Detroit's kind of a that's a

932
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 4: wonky game because you just don't know how Detroit's going

933
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 4: to show up. Are they going to be the giants Detroit?

934
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 1: Well, that's what's weird about the Rams schedule is on paper,

935
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: they have the best path, the easiest schedule. That's why

936
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 1: they're still the favorite to be the one seed is

937
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: because you just step back and you don't take any

938
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 1: of these factors into the equations. Like two games again,

939
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 1: it's the Cardinals who are already eliminated. A road game

940
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 1: against Atlanta probably will be eliminated by that point, and

941
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 1: then you got two big ones ones at home against Detroit,

942
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,840
Speaker 1: who knows what shape they'll be in, and then the

943
00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: rematch with Seattle, and they're comparing schedules like we just did,

944
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:15,279
Speaker 1: and they're saying the Rams will get it done in

945
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: the end.

946
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: I believe it.

947
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 4: But I like the control of we have to play Seattle,

948
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 4: that's what I like. That's where we can control that,

949
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: right Like now, Chicago have no control over what Chicago does.

950
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:29,760
Speaker 4: So I need you to get out of the way quickly.

951
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 4: Shout out to my dog Eric, the enemy.

952
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: I hate to do that.

953
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: Here's how I pose that to DeMarco. This is the

954
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 1: last thing I'll say. I'll let it go after this.

955
00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: And by the way, we're going to burn this tape

956
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: Arizona after it airs. If you had to go on

957
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 1: the road in the NFC playoffs, would you rather go

958
00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: to Soldier Field and face Caleb or go to Lambeau

959
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 1: and face Love and Micah Parsons and the Packers.

960
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, go ahead and give me a Soldier Field.

961
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,879
Speaker 1: So that's what I'm saying. My original question is who

962
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 1: are you rooting for this week? And in two weeks

963
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: or three weeks when they rematch one.

964
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 3: I'd rather have everybody kind of I don't want to

965
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 3: go anywhere. Yeah, actually start by beating the Cardinals.

966
00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,759
Speaker 1: This wasn't a choose your own adventure test.

967
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, if it would rather be.

968
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 4: We know what Green Bay's like, we know what were

969
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 4: Green Bay's like, and the cold that's not something that

970
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 4: I would want to do.

971
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: Here's a toast to Maurice and the Rams maintaining control.

972
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 2: Yes, sure, and the.

973
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 3: Way that everybody the beautiful city of Ala guys, Yes,

974
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 3: blessing in disguis.

975
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 2: We'll see if that holds.

976
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 1: Did I cut you off any final thoughts before I

977
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 1: send this away?

978
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 2: No? Just you know, some guys on offense we talked.

979
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 3: We didn't talk about X Smith, who was shown up big,

980
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 3: big time coming back off getting knocked out and then

981
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 3: coming back big and not just being a returner, being

982
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: a guy that contributes.

983
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: That felt like a preamble to the two two issue.

984
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:44,879
Speaker 1: Do you want to go there?

985
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: You know? I was surprised.

986
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 3: I thought tub was going to be back for Carolina

987
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 3: and that you you'd have to think those plays that

988
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,480
Speaker 3: went to X would probably go to Tou Tuo if

989
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 3: that was to.

990
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 2: To one of those hits the box.

991
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 3: That's just how I feel about his ability, So I

992
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 3: was surprised that's not being deployed.

993
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:02,439
Speaker 2: And one more thing about Emmanuel Forbes.

994
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: Let me make this point, and I'm not sure because

995
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 3: I don't know and we're still learning about him. I

996
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,840
Speaker 3: hope he's not playing looking over his shoulder because that

997
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 3: was the same week that Akello Witherspoon came back, and

998
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 3: also Darien Kendrick was in the building. So I hope

999
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: you're not thinking like, oh my goodness, and people tend

1000
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 3: to stiff up when there's new people around.

1001
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: I hope that's not the case. It is what it is.

1002
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 3: Give all credit to Carolina, but I hope that's not

1003
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 3: an issue. I hope chemistry was not. I hope chemistry

1004
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,439
Speaker 3: didn't affect his confidence because he was playing like Gangbusters

1005
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:34,840
Speaker 3: and I still think that guy's.

1006
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 4: There two things I'll say about Emmanuel Forbes. One, I

1007
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 4: like him better with off coverage than I do press.

1008
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,240
Speaker 4: That's how I give up both of those touchdowns playing

1009
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 4: press man. I think he's better with his eyes looking

1010
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 4: in and being able to see and then he can

1011
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 4: make plays on it once you get to him. I

1012
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 4: think if he's at the line of scrimmage. He's such

1013
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 4: a longer guy. He doesn't have the quick twitch of

1014
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 4: some of the other guys. I think that's how Coker

1015
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 4: got on top of him on the fade ball. And

1016
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,840
Speaker 4: then the other play was literally it was just like

1017
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: a foot race from one side of the field to

1018
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 4: the other and you're trying to be in trail position

1019
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: and it was a great throw.

1020
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:08,839
Speaker 2: So that those those don't bother.

1021
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,960
Speaker 1: Do you want to finish that? Earlier in the show,

1022
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: you said that the Rams pass rush isn't getting home

1023
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: because of the quick passing game, right, and so you

1024
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: got to alter your coverage tighten up a little to

1025
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: take that away. So there's a tension there between Hey,

1026
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:26,840
Speaker 1: we've got a corner that we prefer an off coverage.

1027
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 1: We don't want him in press man versus we don't

1028
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: want to give up those and that's be frustrated.

1029
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 2: You have to work through it.

1030
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 4: That's that's the game, right, That's that's that's the game

1031
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 4: within the game. How do you do we move them

1032
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 4: to four yards and playoff? Do we move them to

1033
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: five like or do you keep them at seven? And

1034
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: or do you put them at press right? And so

1035
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 4: that's the game. And then I will say I I

1036
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 4: the unsung heroes have to show.

1037
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:54,240
Speaker 2: Up down this stretch.

1038
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 1: Who's on that list for you?

1039
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Tight end?

1040
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: Davis Davis Allen that these I need to see him

1041
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 4: get back in the box right in the red zone.

1042
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 4: I think Blake Korum has to continue to go. That's

1043
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 4: the unsung hero to me. And then I think Jordan

1044
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,040
Speaker 4: Winnington needs to start playing more. And I think and

1045
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: the reason I say that is it's either him or

1046
00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 4: two to atwill is that that's a different type of

1047
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 4: burst than the other guys.

1048
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: Can I can I just hit the two two thing

1049
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: real quick. This is a different team and offense than

1050
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 1: the one that he was signed to and the one

1051
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:28,840
Speaker 1: that he started the year with. Like, who would have

1052
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: thought that we'd be sitting here post Thanksgiving talking about

1053
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,759
Speaker 1: the Rams rostering four tight ends, including one that they

1054
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 1: just picked up off the street last week, and leaning

1055
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: into twelve and thirteen personal identity, Like, that's not the

1056
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: schematic for which the Rams signed to. Yeah, so the

1057
00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: game has changed in that regard. And on top of that,

1058
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a role on teams x smith than

1059
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: others do. And you are carrying a bunch of defensive

1060
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: backs right now for a good reason. I think as

1061
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: you try and solve for that puzzle in the back

1062
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,080
Speaker 1: half of the schedule, so.

1063
00:42:58,160 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: I would still have him money. And that's why I

1064
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 3: say that speed plays. But that's why I say Jordan Winnington.

1065
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 4: He has not the same burst, but he has a

1066
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 4: burst different than the other guys you have out there.

1067
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 1: But are they going to give him Winnington's helmet?

1068
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I know it's a shame that you

1069
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 2: can't use that a builty.

1070
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, these problems resolve themselves on a week by week basis,

1071
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: and so there will come in time when there will

1072
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: be a helmet available for two two. I believe that.

1073
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 4: I just and when he gets it, he'll be five

1074
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 4: yards eight yards of separation on a comeback.

1075
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 2: Yes it'll be.

1076
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 4: But I just think those guys have to show up.

1077
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 4: And it brings me back to last year in the

1078
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 4: Division round against Philly, where he comes on the field

1079
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 4: runs a twenty yard comeback is by hisself catch the

1080
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 4: ball gets out of bound and goes out and then

1081
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 4: someone else comes in like that. Those type of players

1082
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 4: are going to have to start to show up here

1083
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 4: very quickly, as good as the offense is going, that's

1084
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 4: going to be those those guys that I named Davis

1085
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 4: Allen in the in the red tighte red area. Think

1086
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 4: he's gonna have to show up again like he's done.

1087
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 4: I think some of the catches that he's made have

1088
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,160
Speaker 4: been awesome. But I also believe like Blake korm is

1089
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 4: going to need to show up down the stretch and

1090
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 4: either you pick whichever third receiver you want out of

1091
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: Xavier Smith, Jordan Winnington or.

1092
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: To toat Wellmfield.

1093
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,640
Speaker 2: Mumfield as well.

1094
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 4: Someone is going to have to emerge as a guy

1095
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:13,720
Speaker 4: that we can consistently count.

1096
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:15,600
Speaker 3: We just went the whole show and didn't say DeVante

1097
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 3: or Puka.

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Speaker 4: Because you know, when you know those two are going

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Speaker 4: to do that thing like that's you know that they're

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Speaker 4: going to do the whole thing show. But someone else

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Speaker 4: is going to have to show up eventually down this stretch.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's break there and let's hope the next

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Speaker 1: time we do this it's on a winning note. The

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Speaker 1: Rams and the Cardinals twice in five weeks down the

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Speaker 1: stretch for Maurice Jones, Drew and to Marco far I'm

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Speaker 1: j B.

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Speaker 2: Long.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us for another edition Between the Horns,

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