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Speaker 6: to a Tuesday, Today's Big Picture Day. Today we'll hit
Speaker 6: different topics. In the opening segment, We're going to talk
Speaker 6: a little bit about this defense, and I want to
Speaker 6: talk about Mike Zimmer in particular, talk about what we
Speaker 6: think of him and where we think he is relative
Speaker 6: to what we thought of him coming into this year.
Speaker 3: Questions today, I mentioned it yesterday. We were going to
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Speaker 6: And then as Mike zimmern and then we will get
Speaker 6: to that. And then in the second segment we will
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Speaker 6: have lots of questions.
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Speaker 6: Let's start first with the Cowboys defense real quick, before
Speaker 6: we get into the conversation of Mike Zimmer, I do
Speaker 6: want to at least spend a little time talking about Trayvon.
Speaker 3: What is the I guess it all kind of came
Speaker 3: to a.
Speaker 6: Head over the weekend where oh my god, he's not traveling.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna probably be out for the rest of
Speaker 3: the year.
Speaker 6: What do we know about that and how it developed
Speaker 6: into to the point to where it is now and
Speaker 6: when can we expect to see him back on the field.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 7: So it is the same knee that he dealt with
Speaker 7: last year, but there was the issue that he had
Speaker 7: been battling most of the year was fluid in his
Speaker 7: knee and it it bothered him and it kept him
Speaker 7: out a couple of games, and then he goes and
Speaker 7: plays what was it seventy something snaps against the Bengals.
Speaker 7: They come in and he has a little bit of discomfort.
Speaker 7: Early in the week, they do some testing and some imaging.
Speaker 7: He's still limited in practice early on, and then Friday
Speaker 7: is when they kind of come to the determination that
Speaker 7: he's dealing with that chondrial issue, which.
Speaker 2: Is the.
Speaker 7: It's like the cartilage at the end of your bone
Speaker 7: and your knee. He's dealing with some issues there and
Speaker 7: needs surgery to repair that injury. So I'm not a
Speaker 7: doctor anything. I'm trying to communicate as best as I can.
Speaker 7: But the recovery is looking like about eight months and
Speaker 7: that would put him Stephen Jones has Yeah, Stephen Jones.
Speaker 2: Says, I'm counting on my face, yeah, lsu. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Stephen Jones would have has some confidence that he'll be
Speaker 7: back by week one, but definitely looked at training camp
Speaker 7: and was like, yeah, we might not have him at
Speaker 7: camp this year. So yeah, that's definitely gonna be one
Speaker 7: that we will be tracking all off season and hopes
Speaker 7: that he can make it for Week one. So we're
Speaker 7: looking at him and Marven overshown already as potential missing
Speaker 7: time in twenty twenty five and we haven't even ended
Speaker 7: twenty twenty four yet.
Speaker 6: So yeah, how concerning is it that someone like Treyvon
Speaker 6: is now going to miss the entire offseason because you
Speaker 6: look at it, He's now.
Speaker 3: Had last year, that's two years in a row.
Speaker 6: Now he doesn't get the off season, won't have training
Speaker 6: camp this year. And when you're trying to get to
Speaker 6: a point where you kind of really the off season
Speaker 6: is when you're preparing your body for the rigors of
Speaker 6: NFL football, right, you're getting yourself ready.
Speaker 3: How much does that concern you?
Speaker 2: It's huge.
Speaker 8: It's huge because you know, you went through this all
Speaker 8: of last year and there's so much unknown now that
Speaker 8: it's one thing to have one injury, but to have
Speaker 8: too And this man makes his living with his feet,
Speaker 8: his knees, his legs, I mean, that's what he makes
Speaker 8: his living with and the fact that you've had now
Speaker 8: two major surgeries on those legs. It doesn't doesn't bode well.
Speaker 8: And especially when you're talking about cartilage injuries and bone
Speaker 8: on bone situations, and you know, what's the next step.
Speaker 8: Is it always going to be completely Is it going
Speaker 8: to be better?
Speaker 2: Uh?
Speaker 8: You know, you kind of feel like when you fix
Speaker 8: the knee one time that things are going to be okay.
Speaker 8: But this is a this is a very significant injury.
Speaker 8: And you know, initially you thought, okay, scope, clean it out,
Speaker 8: that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: No, No, this is a very very serious injury.
Speaker 8: And you know then, I know, talking to trainers and
Speaker 8: doctors around the league, they've microfracture.
Speaker 2: You hear that.
Speaker 8: That's a scary thing when you start to talk about
Speaker 8: what's the what's the next step or the potentially next step,
Speaker 8: And you know, that's.
Speaker 2: Very few, very few if.
Speaker 8: Have dealt with that and come back and played at
Speaker 8: a very very high level. Not to say it hasn't happened,
Speaker 8: it's just a it's a very very difficult thing to
Speaker 8: deal with.
Speaker 4: I mean, one key injury is already bad enough, and
Speaker 4: then you start adding everybody else that's on that list,
Speaker 4: including your quarterback like when because they're recovering from surgery
Speaker 4: and you still there's that unknown of how are they
Speaker 4: gonna look when they do come back from injury, because
Speaker 4: most often than not, it takes multiple weeks for them
Speaker 4: to get back and sometimes they don't even go back
Speaker 4: to what they used to be. So it's gonna be
Speaker 4: a very very challenging off season for the Cowboys as
Speaker 4: they try to manage this roster and also try to
Speaker 4: figure out that'll known of these guys, key players, what's
Speaker 4: gonna happen with them, and how are you going to
Speaker 4: address all these issues?
Speaker 9: But man, for this secondary just a terrible, terrible hit.
Speaker 4: Darn Bland. I think he's on track. He's been looking
Speaker 4: good with his recovery, him coming back from injury, and
Speaker 4: so far, so good. And we still don't know what's
Speaker 4: gonna happen with Jordan.
Speaker 9: Lewis as far as his future here with.
Speaker 4: The Cowboys, and then now add this Trevon Digg's injury.
Speaker 9: It really sucks for this team.
Speaker 8: The positivity will be coming probably from the draft, but
Speaker 8: I think they'll be going into training camp when we
Speaker 8: all get back on that train in July will be
Speaker 8: I think there'll be a lot like Ambar's talking about
Speaker 8: a lot more questions instead of sure, there'll be some
Speaker 8: positivity about some of the players they got, and if
Speaker 8: they don't play in free agency, then it'll be like, well, okay,
Speaker 8: where's this team at. You know, the Commanders look like
Speaker 8: they're a better team. The Eagles clearly are the class
Speaker 8: of the division. You know, right now it's you and
Speaker 8: the Giants that are kind of But I think the positivity,
Speaker 8: just like she's talking about with all the injuries, not
Speaker 8: just the Digs, but the the Dak injury. Uh, look
Speaker 8: at you know, uh, look at the the situation.
Speaker 2: With juan Ye, Thomas and Bell.
Speaker 8: I mean, all these guys that you kind of counted on, uh,
Speaker 8: and then what guys.
Speaker 2: You're gonna lose.
Speaker 8: I think that I think teams are a extually. I
Speaker 8: think the media fan base is probably going to take
Speaker 8: a big step back and say, maybe this team isn't
Speaker 8: as good going into the season as it was coming
Speaker 8: into twenty twenty four.
Speaker 4: Well, good thing is that there's still three games left
Speaker 4: on the on the schedule, and with that you get
Speaker 4: a chance to look at depth and the guys that you.
Speaker 2: Currently do have in seeing depth all year.
Speaker 4: We have, we have, but you get a different look
Speaker 4: and more time to see real game situation. Again, it's
Speaker 4: very hard to replicate real games. You know, you can't
Speaker 4: do that at practice. It just does not look the
Speaker 4: same and it doesn't give you the same results that
Speaker 4: you're looking for. So it's just another opportunity to look
Speaker 4: at what you have in younger guys and in depth
Speaker 4: to maybe give you a better idea of what you
Speaker 4: can do or who you can keep during this offseason.
Speaker 6: All right, when you look at the Cowboys defense right now,
Speaker 6: we're going to we're gonna move a little bit, but
Speaker 6: continue to talk a little bit about injuries as well.
Speaker 6: When you look at the Cowboys defense, how well they've played.
Speaker 6: I saw this morning Joyce Joseph Hoyd put it on Twitter.
Speaker 6: I thought it was an interesting tweet. He said that
Speaker 6: to this point, Cowboys for the season are the twenty
Speaker 6: sixth ranked defense relative to EPA per play allowed. Right
Speaker 6: over the last four games.
Speaker 3: They're fifth in the NFL.
Speaker 6: A big difference obviously in the first four games, I
Speaker 6: mean in the last four games. Now, part of that
Speaker 6: you have to consider is the competition that they were
Speaker 6: up against. Now, I will also say they played an
Speaker 6: equally poor team in Week two in the Saints, and
Speaker 6: the Saints kicked their butt, right, So you can say that.
Speaker 6: But they've lost some bad teams this year too. They've
Speaker 6: been equal opportunity providers there when it comes to giving losses.
Speaker 6: But that all being said, they've played a lot of
Speaker 6: this season without some of the key guys on defense Parsons,
Speaker 6: d Law, Diggs, Bland, Overshown, Williams, Kneeland. All that being said,
Speaker 6: how much do you how much difference do you give
Speaker 6: Mike Zimmer and this defense when it comes to the
Speaker 6: injuries and all the guys that they had to play
Speaker 6: without and having to kind of get his defense going
Speaker 6: when you try to evaluate him as a as a
Speaker 6: play caller for the season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, if I look at everything after, I would say,
Speaker 7: I don't know week seven, give or take, then yeah,
Speaker 7: I think you can give some difference to that, and
Speaker 7: you understand the challenges that he's been battling throughout the
Speaker 7: year as a coordinator. Because man, it's defensive end, it's linebacker,
Speaker 7: it's corner. I feel like the safety position might be
Speaker 7: the only one that hasn't really had a lot of
Speaker 7: a turnover this season because of injury. So I have
Speaker 7: to give credit to Mike Zimmer because he's been dealing
Speaker 7: with a lot of guys. And you look at Josh Butler,
Speaker 7: how he was a the step up, Amantio Ro Warriers,
Speaker 7: had a couple of strong outings. Carl Lawson was a
Speaker 7: guy that we didn't even think might make the team
Speaker 7: out of training camp, and he's become a legitimate pass
Speaker 7: rusher for them. So with what the pieces he's dealing
Speaker 7: with over the course of the last few weeks, you
Speaker 7: got to give credit to how he's put it together.
Speaker 7: From a defensive coordinator and a play color standpoint, Yeah, I.
Speaker 4: Give him tons of credit and a lot of respect
Speaker 4: because even though we talked about it yesterday, Brian mentioned
Speaker 4: the whole you know, would have been good for him
Speaker 4: to have everybody buy into his new system, a new
Speaker 4: scheme earlier on to potentially win you some of this game.
Speaker 4: You got to look at it the other way too,
Speaker 4: looking at all the injuries, all the things that he's
Speaker 4: had to battle through, but also with the season, how
Speaker 4: he was going and how it's been going. How do
Speaker 4: you keep players motivated and wanting to go out there
Speaker 4: and compete and not give up and not throw in
Speaker 4: the towel and say hey whatever. And I think you've
Speaker 4: seen that with this defense over the last few weeks,
Speaker 4: that they are actually going out there putting in the
Speaker 4: effort and playing at a high level or at least
Speaker 4: the highest that you can possibly give in the situation.
Speaker 4: So to that, I think it can be very challenging
Speaker 4: just keeping guys wanting to still put in the time
Speaker 4: during the week in preparation and then go out there
Speaker 4: on Sunday and fight and battle and do what they
Speaker 4: need to do to take care of the game and
Speaker 4: help their off. And so I think I've I mentioned
Speaker 4: it yesterday. At first I was skeptical because of some
Speaker 4: of the results, but as the week went on, I'm
Speaker 4: very impressed and I would not mind him coming back
Speaker 4: and being here again with the Cowboys.
Speaker 8: Jump ahead ran, Yeah, no, I it's it is one
Speaker 8: of my favorite new things. And kind of falling in
Speaker 8: love with these numbers and looking at numbers and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah it was.
Speaker 8: I never was, but I was looking at overthecap dot
Speaker 8: com and they talk about contract and stuff, and you
Speaker 8: mentioned about Carl Lawson. Carl Lawson's playing like a player
Speaker 8: that's like over thirteen million dollars in value, fourteen million dollars.
Speaker 8: He's playing like a fourteen million dollar year position player
Speaker 8: and he's making a million dollars, you know, And so
Speaker 8: you know here he is, he's playing thirteen million dollars
Speaker 8: over value of what the player of How you determine
Speaker 8: his you know, how you determine what he's doing.
Speaker 2: And that's super impressive to me that.
Speaker 8: But you are getting guys that are playing now whatever
Speaker 8: we were I'm used to seeing. And I've always talked
Speaker 8: about the OSA falloff.
Speaker 2: We haven't seen the OSA falloff.
Speaker 8: You know, you're getting some guys that are You're getting
Speaker 8: to Carl Lawson, who man, we were sitting there at
Speaker 8: training camp and they just kept throwing names that, it
Speaker 8: names that, it names that, and they finally hit it right,
Speaker 8: and we're all worried about Carl Lawson.
Speaker 2: I know I was.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm like, well, Carl Lawson playing the run well, Well,
Speaker 8: he's playing the pass and the run well for you
Speaker 8: right now.
Speaker 2: So Zim deserves a lot of career. I tell you where.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 8: Like Zim and and I've been with him, known him
Speaker 8: a long time. I think that he's done a better
Speaker 8: job than And one of my questions was about him
Speaker 8: and dan Quinn, So this is how I'll answer this question.
Speaker 2: Then. The thing that I like about Mike is I.
Speaker 8: Think he knows how to match his guys up against
Speaker 8: their weakest opponents. I think he's kind of figured out
Speaker 8: how to How many times have we seen and this
Speaker 8: is really no disrespect to dan Quinn, but how many
Speaker 8: times have we seen Micah Parsons taking rushes against Trent
Speaker 8: Williams of the forty nine ers or Lane Johnson to
Speaker 8: the Philadelphia Eagles And you're just like going, man, you're
Speaker 8: beating your head.
Speaker 2: It's this is a wash, this is good verse good.
Speaker 2: You know, Zim has kind.
Speaker 8: Of figured out how to get his really good players
Speaker 8: on their bad players. And I appreciate that, you know,
Speaker 8: because that's what to me when you go out and
Speaker 8: you advance scout and you look at it and you're thinking,
Speaker 8: what's this all about? Teams trying to hide their bad players.
Speaker 8: Mike finds your bad player and takes advantage of that.
Speaker 8: And that's what I appreciate about him the most, and
Speaker 8: that he's he's taken guys like Parsons osa Lawson, Wilson,
Speaker 8: whatever he has to do, He's found ways to attack Lewis,
Speaker 8: attack these offenses by just some of the matchups.
Speaker 2: I think that's where I want to give him a
Speaker 2: lot of credit.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like dan Quinn at times last year
Speaker 7: got better at that because we saw Michael Parsons lined
Speaker 7: up over zero tech many times, lind up over center
Speaker 7: at zero tech many times, we saw him moving around
Speaker 7: quite a bit. I agree with you, but I think
Speaker 7: dan Quinn did get a little bit better at that
Speaker 7: last year specifically.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just to me, it's I see it.
Speaker 8: Maybe it's because of Parsons, but I see it with
Speaker 8: all his players, you know, I see it. And maybe
Speaker 8: some of the things that's helped Osa not be Week
Speaker 8: fourteen go away Osa could be his contract that he's
Speaker 8: trying to get, maybe better conditioning, maybe the fact that like,
Speaker 8: oh wait a minute, he's he's going against their their
Speaker 8: their fifth best offensive lineman. You know, I don't know
Speaker 8: if we always saw that, but I respect what you're saying.
Speaker 3: I will tell you this.
Speaker 6: The one thing that I'm keeping an eye on that
Speaker 6: I think I like more about Zimmer is it feels
Speaker 6: like at this point he may have finally solved the
Speaker 6: enigma that has been the running defense for the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 6: Now we're gonna find out these next three weeks, because
Speaker 6: you got some teams coming in here who can run
Speaker 6: the ball, particularly when you play Philly. We're gonna find
Speaker 6: out how good this run defense is.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 6: But I will say this, I so far, I look
Speaker 6: at what they did, and I know these were bad teams,
Speaker 6: not the Giants so much from the standpoint of what
Speaker 6: I'm talking about with rushing.
Speaker 3: But Carolina has a really good rushing attack. That runner
Speaker 3: really good.
Speaker 2: That's how they been competitive year.
Speaker 6: He is a really good runner, and he's run against
Speaker 6: some good defense in this league and run well.
Speaker 3: Cowboys held in the thirty something yards.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think right now that's the part where if
Speaker 6: I'm trying to compare the two I look at the
Speaker 6: run defense and I say, man, finally, maybe somebody has
Speaker 6: solved this run defense problem that has been kind of
Speaker 6: popping its head up really for the last several years.
Speaker 6: It's been this ongoing thing of you get to this
Speaker 6: week and just you cannot figure out how to stop
Speaker 6: the run. And I think that might actually Zimmer might
Speaker 6: be onto.
Speaker 7: Something Dallas is fifth in the NFL over the last
Speaker 7: three weeks and rushing yards allowed per game eighty three
Speaker 7: point three, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing quite well.
Speaker 4: You've started to see a little bit more discipline just
Speaker 4: from the defense as opposed to last year. I feel
Speaker 4: like that kind of started taking a drop off with
Speaker 4: discipline overall and penalties. Not to say that they've played
Speaker 4: a completely clean game at all, but you see guys
Speaker 4: just tackling better, running better, being more on their assignment
Speaker 4: and do what they need to do. And again, I
Speaker 4: love Dan Quinn and I think he was very very
Speaker 4: well respected by everyone here and the players in the organization,
Speaker 4: but there's something different about what Zimmer has been able
Speaker 4: to implement in the whole defense.
Speaker 9: And also not.
Speaker 4: To make Mica Parsons like he's the I mean, I
Speaker 4: know there's a lot of debate there, but I guess
Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say, when you get a guy
Speaker 4: like him to respect you and buy in. And again,
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make Micah like the biggest diva
Speaker 4: in the world or anything like that, but it helps.
Speaker 4: It helps when you have a guy like him buy
Speaker 4: into what you're selling and everyone kind of follows, and
Speaker 4: it's just he just made it better than what it
Speaker 4: was last year. And there were things that dan Quinn
Speaker 4: was able to do also, and again he didn't have
Speaker 4: to deal with as many injuries. And I think with
Speaker 4: the turnovers, that's something that you're starting to see in
Speaker 4: these last few weeks where it was lacking this year,
Speaker 4: but now it's starting to pick over and you see
Speaker 4: the kind of things that they're practicing out there and
Speaker 4: just reflecting back to the field in the game.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we will.
Speaker 6: Now we have to move on to a much more
Speaker 6: complex question, which we'll have to say for another time
Speaker 6: about Mike McCarthy whether he gets that same difference with
Speaker 6: regardless of the injuries.
Speaker 2: We'll have that.
Speaker 6: Conversation at some point. We're gonna take our first pick
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Speaker 8: Appreciate that Nick Harris currently the most important offensive player
Speaker 8: CD lamb or Rico daddle.
Speaker 7: Uh Rico Dawdell. I would say currently for sure. You
Speaker 7: look at what he's done to help sustate drives for
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush. I think he's been more of a benefit
Speaker 7: to Cooper Rush than Ceedee Lamb has been. And that's
Speaker 7: no discredit to Ceede Lamb. It's more of a credit
Speaker 7: to Rico Dowdell winning the time and possesion battle against
Speaker 7: teams that run the ball really well in Carolina, you know,
Speaker 7: keeping that offense off the field from Cincinnati. You know,
Speaker 7: you're one, you know, executed block pun away from winning
Speaker 7: that game because of being able to win the time
Speaker 7: position battle and stand front.
Speaker 2: So I'd have to give Zrego Dawdell.
Speaker 7: He's he's been great over these last few weeks and
Speaker 7: it's helping us overall off.
Speaker 8: And Bergarcia currently the most important offensive player CD Lamb
Speaker 8: or Rico.
Speaker 4: Daddle currently us like this weekend currently defined currently. I
Speaker 4: don't like this question because well that's the that's the
Speaker 4: point of it, right, Okay, hold on, let me process this.
Speaker 2: I currently process this. Please.
Speaker 4: I would like to say, uh, fine, I'll go with
Speaker 4: the running game. I'll go with Rico because, and this
Speaker 4: is taken into account that Cooper Rush through three touchdown
Speaker 4: passes to three different targets. So because initially my thought
Speaker 4: is like, okay, what do you have at receiver. Really,
Speaker 4: what have you been producing there? Not a whole lot.
Speaker 9: But then also now that.
Speaker 4: It's kind of opening things up, is due to reco
Speaker 4: down and moving the chains through the running game. So
Speaker 4: as of right now, in this moment, in this second,
Speaker 4: I'll go with Rico, what.
Speaker 9: Are you looking at me like that for? Is it CD? CD?
Speaker 3: Like it's CD.
Speaker 6: I'll I'll take you back to this game, right, Cowboys
Speaker 6: offense kind of been floundering a.
Speaker 3: Little bit after and then what happened?
Speaker 6: What happened there was there was a there was one drive,
Speaker 6: the first scoring drive.
Speaker 2: What happened?
Speaker 3: Third down? Three times on that drive? Three times CD
Speaker 3: CD CD. That's the difference.
Speaker 4: Saying this whole season yes, yes, no no no no
Speaker 4: no no no no no no.
Speaker 6: What you have to realize, what you have to realize,
Speaker 6: what you have to realize is on this team. Okay,
Speaker 6: to put it to you like this take away CD,
Speaker 6: you think Rico's getting much on the ground?
Speaker 2: Yes, How if.
Speaker 6: Defenses say we don't have to worry about CD, lamb,
Speaker 6: how are they going to run the ball. I don't
Speaker 6: think this is not a dominant offensive line. This is
Speaker 6: a good offensive line. When they play at their best,
Speaker 6: They're not dominant. So if defenses say we're gonna put
Speaker 6: eight guys in the box, we're not worried about any
Speaker 6: anybody on the back, and we're gonna man up across
Speaker 6: the board.
Speaker 3: How do you think they're gonna run the ball?
Speaker 7: There have been some first down opportunities where CD has
Speaker 7: been off the field in recent weeks, Bear and Rico
Speaker 7: has been able to produce. That's that's what comes to
Speaker 7: mind when I think about that and talking about Okay,
Speaker 7: Rico wouldn't have any opportunities off CD is on the field.
Speaker 7: I do see where you're coming from in that sense,
Speaker 7: but I disagree. I'm not saying I'm not saying more
Speaker 7: of an upfront situation with this offensive line. Truthfully, it's
Speaker 7: because of the offensive line. I'm saying Rico dwell in
Speaker 7: this instance. I think they would still be able to
Speaker 7: pay lanes with the way that they are.
Speaker 3: Blocking against an eight man front regularly. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: think I don't get yards.
Speaker 2: I don't think that.
Speaker 6: I don't think they would consistently do that over a game.
Speaker 6: And I get what you're saying, A player or two whenever,
Speaker 6: when when one may be on the field and.
Speaker 3: The others off that's fine.
Speaker 6: I think if a defense goes into a game knowing
Speaker 6: we don't have to deal with ceedee lamb, it changes
Speaker 6: how they look at the Dallas Cowboys offense.
Speaker 3: At that point they're like, guess what, we're gonna man
Speaker 3: up and Cooper rush.
Speaker 6: If you're good enough with these receivers to be able
Speaker 6: to beat us in man coverage, great, go for it.
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we're not going
Speaker 3: to let you run.
Speaker 6: And I think if they said we're not going to
Speaker 6: let you run, they would stop that.
Speaker 7: I think it's.
Speaker 4: Okay looking at both you're taking CD all day like
Speaker 4: if you gotta yes absolutely currently currently yes absolutely.
Speaker 9: But the point is it just goes back to.
Speaker 2: You being able to.
Speaker 4: Okay, Brian, you know what you're doing, and you started,
Speaker 4: but the point does know But the point goes back
Speaker 4: to right now, what's happening with the game. The the
Speaker 4: reason why you've been able to start doing a few
Speaker 4: little things offensively is because you started running the ball.
Speaker 4: And it doesn't go back to rica I'm saying, just
Speaker 4: the ability to run the ball.
Speaker 6: Obviously see commitment to comment, commitment to it right, and
Speaker 6: I agree with that, but my point still remains. In
Speaker 6: the NFL, as is the case in the NBA, as
Speaker 6: is the case in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 3: Players matter. When you have great.
Speaker 6: Players, it affects how the other team has to deal
Speaker 6: with you. And and right now, you look at this
Speaker 6: offense right now, just currently constituted, how many great players
Speaker 6: are on this offense?
Speaker 3: Not good players, great players are on this offense. What
Speaker 3: who is he?
Speaker 2: CD Lamb?
Speaker 3: You're right, I'll take the left guard.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take the left I'm not to discredit cd
Speaker 7: Lamb because he he would easily be number two and.
Speaker 3: A second thinking how can I then you get my
Speaker 3: guy touches.
Speaker 7: But he is a great player, absolutely, And we're looking
Speaker 7: at the totality of it, like you said, we're taking
Speaker 7: cdee Lamb. But if we're talking about right now, specifically
Speaker 7: looking at these last three weeks, looking at the impact
Speaker 7: that Rico Dawdell has made for this offense as compared
Speaker 7: to the impact that Cede Lamb has made to this
Speaker 7: offense throughout the year. Even what we can even look
Speaker 7: at these last three weeks too, I would take doubtell.
Speaker 7: I mean it's it's like Dowdell Lamb everyone else.
Speaker 3: I mean fair, but I would flip those two and
Speaker 3: I think Dawdle's up there.
Speaker 6: And don't get me wrong, I think Dabdall has played
Speaker 6: a role really well this year, or at least when
Speaker 6: they wanted to use him like that. And I'm as
Speaker 6: big of me and Brian said back during training camp,
Speaker 6: we both were agreed, if they give him the ball,
Speaker 6: if they're willing to commit to him, he's more than
Speaker 6: enough at the.
Speaker 2: Running back twelve hundred yards, yeah right now. And you
Speaker 2: kind of gave us sat where he right now?
Speaker 3: Like where's he's eight eighty?
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but yeah, twenty yards.
Speaker 4: He's had couple of weeks ago when they were not
Speaker 4: running the ball doing nothing, you say CD.
Speaker 3: Look, CD is still the centerpiece of this offense.
Speaker 6: They needed to commit to running the ball because when
Speaker 6: they run the ball, when they're committed to running the ball,
Speaker 6: it creates opportunities for CD to do what he does
Speaker 6: because now defenses have to at least be respectful of
Speaker 6: the fact that Dallas will run the ball. When they
Speaker 6: weren't running the ball then there was it was just
Speaker 6: basically like we can take CD away and they're not
Speaker 6: going to do anything.
Speaker 4: Else, You're not wrong, and I agree, but currently out
Speaker 4: one answer is slightly better than the other, and that's
Speaker 4: mine and Nick's answer.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what.
Speaker 7: We're gonna find out a lot about what the respect
Speaker 7: that Rico Dawdle's starting to gain around the league going
Speaker 7: into this week. I don't want to get ahead of
Speaker 7: Wednesday and Thursday. But this this Tampa Bay defense. They
Speaker 7: stop the run.
Speaker 2: Really well, but they can't stop bringing.
Speaker 7: But they cannot stop the pass. So where do they
Speaker 7: dedicate their time to Do they load the box and say, hey,
Speaker 7: you have to make CD Lamb beat us. Or do
Speaker 7: they put a couple of guys on CD and say,
Speaker 7: hey you have to make Rego Dawdle beat us. And
Speaker 7: I'd be curious to know what that looks like in
Speaker 7: the first quarter.
Speaker 6: On the point is you keep them off balanced by
Speaker 6: doing different things. You move CD around, you see if
Speaker 6: maybe you can get down out of space, like there
Speaker 6: are things you can do to No matter which is
Speaker 6: that decision they go with, you make it hard on
Speaker 6: them to make that decision because you're still moving guys
Speaker 6: around doing different things.
Speaker 3: So there's a way to defeat it. You know, if
Speaker 3: Dallas can do it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. If Dallas can do it's question. Boy,
Speaker 2: that was a good than.
Speaker 3: That brain and Brian Brock got.
Speaker 2: That one over. I got that one.
Speaker 3: Give me another one, all right.
Speaker 2: Derek.
Speaker 8: Bigger impact on the future of this defense, Marshawn Kneeling
Speaker 8: or Mars Leafoul.
Speaker 3: Mars that's pretty easy for me.
Speaker 6: I think what we saw this last week was my
Speaker 6: best hope for him. What I saw of him in
Speaker 6: college from the things I saw, was that he was
Speaker 6: a playmaker. He was a guy who's always around the ball,
Speaker 6: and this defense, in my opinion, that's one of the
Speaker 6: things I think this defense has really lacked for even
Speaker 6: when they were pretty good under Quinn, they didn't really
Speaker 6: have those playmaking linebackers. And you look across the NFL,
Speaker 6: and when you get great defenses, they don't just have
Speaker 6: great pass rushers. They don't just have a great corner
Speaker 6: or two. They also have somebody in the middle of
Speaker 6: the defense that can make a difference, that can get
Speaker 6: to the ball and knock the ball out, that can
Speaker 6: create turnovers. And so what I'm most excited about right
Speaker 6: now on this defense is the linebacker position. If overshown
Speaker 6: comes back, and I think he will be and just
Speaker 6: be just as good as he was before. And Maryus
Speaker 6: leafile there with him. I think Dallas is onto something
Speaker 6: with those two linebackers. And we've seen when you've got
Speaker 6: two of those guys, how great your defense. San Francisco.
Speaker 6: I was thinking that Carolina here back when they had
Speaker 6: keik Ley and and what was the other guy's name?
Speaker 8: The short uh, I'm gosh, Keiley.
Speaker 3: He one Man of the Year, he won Man of
Speaker 3: the Year, NFL Man of the Year.
Speaker 2: I know, Greg really small guy, the small line short linebacker.
Speaker 3: I have to look at it, but pay for them.
Speaker 8: No, I'm like, I'm going way too far because I
Speaker 8: I was going back to Sam Mills and guys like no, No,
Speaker 8: it was it's like way too far back for there.
Speaker 6: I see his face, Thomas Davis. That's what it was,
Speaker 6: Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis. But I thought that was a
Speaker 6: good linebacker with Keiley and him. I thought they had
Speaker 6: a really good tandem there. I think if you get
Speaker 6: two really good linebackers, and if one of them is
Speaker 6: special and one's really good, you can do some damage
Speaker 6: in this league. And I think right now, I look
Speaker 6: at those two and over showing and I think you
Speaker 6: can get too maybe two great ones.
Speaker 2: And bar how about that Marshawn Kneelan or Marshleafel.
Speaker 9: This one's easy.
Speaker 4: I'm disappointed in you, Brian great first question that you
Speaker 4: made it easy and I'm just kidding.
Speaker 9: Uh, well not, I'm not.
Speaker 4: I love Maris like I absolutely love the guy. He
Speaker 4: has been so great and it quickly took a shift
Speaker 4: because going into training camp after the draft, Nielan was
Speaker 4: the one that you're excited.
Speaker 9: For looking for.
Speaker 4: Then he gets the injury and that kind of I mean,
Speaker 4: it's sucked. But the moment that Marius got the opportunity,
Speaker 4: especially with overshown coming out, he did not miss a beat.
Speaker 4: And that's why you love. You love to have a
Speaker 4: guy ready for the moment. And he was ready for
Speaker 4: the moment, took advantage of it. And you see the
Speaker 4: in the way that he plays. You see the amount
Speaker 4: of preparation that he he has done. You see him
Speaker 4: that he puts the work in his studies and he's
Speaker 4: fast and not afraid to tackle. And like Derek said,
Speaker 4: and going back to what happened this weekend, him punching
Speaker 4: that ball out, those are the kind of players that
Speaker 4: you want, that you that don't only go and tackling
Speaker 4: out the plays over like you go for the ball,
Speaker 4: be a what is it called ballhowker ballhawk?
Speaker 7: Ball?
Speaker 9: Yeah, an eagle ball hawk that ball just.
Speaker 2: Like that.
Speaker 7: One time specially, you gotta be ready for it.
Speaker 2: What do you got there?
Speaker 7: Is this more so talking about the future or is
Speaker 7: it talking about what we see impact.
Speaker 2: In the future of this defense?
Speaker 3: Is there a difference?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I was if we're talking about the season the future,
Speaker 7: future of the future. Yeah, I'm thinking back and forth
Speaker 7: here because we haven't seen what Marshawn Niland has can
Speaker 7: do completely because he's he's been he hasn't been healthy
Speaker 7: all year.
Speaker 2: And I know what marsh sh Nieland.
Speaker 7: Didn't as as a college player and what he can
Speaker 7: bring to the NFL. I feel like he hasn't gotten
Speaker 7: a fair shot at seeing that yet, whereas Mary's Leafel
Speaker 7: is now starting to get that complete opportunity.
Speaker 3: Okay, so so real quick, not to interrupt, but I
Speaker 3: want you to answer this.
Speaker 2: Are you interrupted part of it?
Speaker 3: You said you saw what he did in college.
Speaker 6: Explain for the folks out there what you mean by that,
Speaker 6: because that that's what you could expect as very best
Speaker 6: of him in the NFL.
Speaker 7: Yeah, whenever we were going talking on the Draft show
Speaker 7: about Marshaw Neeland compared him to a poor man so
Speaker 7: Marcus Lawrence, in the sense that he can seal the
Speaker 7: edge really well. He plays the run really well. He's big,
Speaker 7: he's physical, he can overpower undersized offensive tackles or even
Speaker 7: average sized offensive tackles and get to the quarterback. The
Speaker 7: sack numbers haven't really been there for him throughout his
Speaker 7: entire career, but he does have ability at just making
Speaker 7: life difficult for opposing quarterbacks. And but it's it's his
Speaker 7: strength in the run game that I think is really,
Speaker 7: uh really fun and and if you're looking at Mary's leafel,
Speaker 7: you also kind of see a well rounded player, but
Speaker 7: maybe with more so an emphasis on on the run
Speaker 7: game that we've seen in the NFL so far, him
Speaker 7: being able to fill running lanes and be a very
Speaker 7: decisive of doing that. I'm gonna I'm gonna say, Leo foul,
Speaker 7: but I am not discounting the fact that Neiland has health.
Speaker 7: Bro I'm not riding the fences.
Speaker 6: Such a good argument, and I wanted to go he
Speaker 6: wanted you to go.
Speaker 7: I am saying Leo fl but it made such a
Speaker 7: good argument for that is I'm giving neland a little
Speaker 7: bit more credit here.
Speaker 6: Okay, So Brian, let me ask you this question. Both
Speaker 6: of you, guys, Amber jump into here. Here's the question ceiling.
Speaker 6: Let's but let's see. Let's see you just said you
Speaker 6: compared him to a poor man's Tank Lawrence. Yeah, let's
Speaker 6: assume he becomes Tank Lawrence. Give me a comp for
Speaker 6: what you think based on what you've seen, on what
Speaker 6: you think marys Leaphile.
Speaker 3: Can become mmmm man because.
Speaker 6: You're giving him best case scenario. What's best case scenario
Speaker 6: for Marris Leophile?
Speaker 2: What did I come?
Speaker 7: I gotta look at what my convoys for him last
Speaker 7: year coming out?
Speaker 2: Can he be like if you're doing Cowboys?
Speaker 3: Anybody you give me?
Speaker 2: Could he be like Brady James? Maybe a or maybe more.
Speaker 7: Notice a little bit higher than Brads. Let me cook
Speaker 7: on this all right.
Speaker 6: Reason. The reason why is because I hear what you're
Speaker 6: saying about Tank, and I have a feeling if it's
Speaker 6: James comparison, if his career plays out exactly like like Tanks,
Speaker 6: I think Tank is very underrated because he doesn't have
Speaker 6: the sacks, and at defensive end you don't have the
Speaker 6: huge number of sacks, then you don't get the same
Speaker 6: level of respect. But if you're a linebacker that's a
Speaker 6: playmaking linebacker, you're going to have those splash plays.
Speaker 3: You're going to have those plays everybody.
Speaker 6: So in a lot of people's minds, if that's the case,
Speaker 6: Marris would be a higher ranked player than Eland would be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: See to me, I don't know, are we kind of
Speaker 8: is this the ceiling for Merris the way he's playing.
Speaker 9: I don't think this is a ceiling for him. What
Speaker 9: the heck the first year? Come on, what do you
Speaker 9: mean the ceiling?
Speaker 2: No? I mean sometimes players are they play at their
Speaker 2: best level.
Speaker 3: That's who they are when they come in, that's who
Speaker 3: they are.
Speaker 9: Na, I see a brighter future.
Speaker 4: Okay, the schemes, right, No, I think also it helps
Speaker 4: the scheme and like when you talk about having a guy.
Speaker 2: Like I think this guy is going to become a
Speaker 2: good pass rusher.
Speaker 3: But I don't anything. Oh yeah, I just wonder. I
Speaker 3: just wonder if Maris.
Speaker 6: If we're looking at Maris and we're gonna look up
Speaker 6: three years from now and you're looking at Merris and
Speaker 6: and and and uh demo and saying that is the
Speaker 6: best linebacker tandem in the NFL. And if you're doing that,
Speaker 6: I don't know if Neland's gonna be on that level. Gotcha,
Speaker 6: now here's gonna do. We're gonna take our final break.
Speaker 6: I love these questions so much. We're gonna do a
Speaker 6: double dose. We're gonna come back and I.
Speaker 2: Got I got one other question.
Speaker 6: We're gonna do that when we when we come back,
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Speaker 6: Back to the break, Ye, we'll continue inside the brand
Speaker 6: of Brian brought us.
Speaker 3: He's got one more question for us, Brian, what you.
Speaker 2: Got a G rank these offensive linemen and level of play?
Speaker 9: Hold on, let me pull up go ahead.
Speaker 2: And level of play? Guidon Smith.
Speaker 9: Bb are.
Speaker 2: Who am I gonna put it? Right? Card Hoffman Hoffman.
Speaker 2: I was kind of thinking maybe I'll put him. That
Speaker 2: was put.
Speaker 8: Hoffman and Steel, Guidon Smith, bbe, hoff and Steel them
Speaker 8: ranked them as a level of play.
Speaker 9: Okay, I'm talking about this season.
Speaker 7: Yeah, last year, I didn't know if we're talking about
Speaker 7: like career wise, the last.
Speaker 4: Couple of weeks almost said a bad word on there.
Speaker 9: All right, let me process this.
Speaker 4: I would go with Smith first, and then what I'm
Speaker 4: battling with is excitement versus looking at the whole year
Speaker 4: like what it's been. With that being said, I'm talking
Speaker 4: about Hoffmann specifically, just because he brings a different level
Speaker 4: of excitement that you're like, Okay, you've seen this type
Speaker 4: of aggressiveness that you kind of have lacked for a
Speaker 4: little bit. It's just something different to have in there.
Speaker 4: But also sometimes I think about.
Speaker 9: He's a little too aggressive.
Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, calm down a little bit too But Smith,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with potentially bbe next, and then Hoffman Steel.
Speaker 2: How about you, Derek.
Speaker 6: You know, ironically I did the exact same thing, and
Speaker 6: I was the only part I was a little bit
Speaker 6: torn on is I was torn between Guiding and Steel
Speaker 6: whether I thought Guiding was a bit better than Steel.
Speaker 6: But I think will push me on exactly. And I
Speaker 6: also think the last couple of weeks have kind of
Speaker 6: shape given me a little more towards Steele, Like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been pretty good.
Speaker 6: They made the change the right guard exactly, so it
Speaker 6: makes me wonder how much that was affecting his place.
Speaker 6: So I'm giving him a little bit more difference there.
Speaker 6: So that's kind of how it would go. Smith Bebe,
Speaker 6: Hoffman Steele.
Speaker 7: I also want to give credit to Steel in the
Speaker 7: run game. I feel like he's been he's been really
Speaker 7: strong in the You want to do that, yeah, I
Speaker 7: am sure this time I had the same order as well.
Speaker 7: I'd be going Smith, bb Hoffman Steel, Guiden is is guiding.
Speaker 8: The issue, like I say, is the with goe if
Speaker 8: he has not had not had the penalties, the holdings,
Speaker 8: the lining ups, the things like that.
Speaker 2: Would you give it more? Are you agree?
Speaker 7: He's also boom or bust at times though, where it's
Speaker 7: it's like he's great against Cleveland and then he has
Speaker 7: some severe breakdowns against uh trying to think of one
Speaker 7: off the top of my head where it was just
Speaker 7: a bad game for him, Yes, Saints is Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 7: may as well just go to the next week where
Speaker 7: it's just like, man, how did he allow that to happen?
Speaker 18: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: I thought Geydon was might sound weird, but I thought
Speaker 6: he was actually better than I expected him to be
Speaker 6: this year. I thought as bad as the penalties were,
Speaker 6: I thought they were gonna be even worse because in camp,
Speaker 6: literally it seemed like every rep.
Speaker 3: His hands are outside.
Speaker 6: I was like, he's gonna get flagged every play, Like
Speaker 6: literally every play he's gonna have a holding call.
Speaker 3: And it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 6: Like he had some penalties, it wasn't as bad as
Speaker 6: I thought it was going to be.
Speaker 3: And so I still have.
Speaker 6: Hope that he's going to be a really good NFL player.
Speaker 6: I wonder if it may be on the right side
Speaker 6: versus the left, but I still have hope he's going
Speaker 6: to be really good player. And then when you say
Speaker 6: talk about BB, I think BB, in my opinion, was
Speaker 6: every bit what I thought he was going to be,
Speaker 6: which is a really good player. So far as a rookie,
Speaker 6: the expectation for him is that now he's going to
Speaker 6: be competing as one of the better centers in the NFL.
Speaker 6: If they keep messing and they might move in the
Speaker 6: guard my expectations. If he moved guard, he probably just
Speaker 6: as good there. So either way, I think he's gonna
Speaker 6: be a really good player real quick.
Speaker 8: Just maybe yes or no answer. Were they wrong not
Speaker 8: starting Hoffman the whole.
Speaker 3: Year at center and putting BB at guard.
Speaker 8: Or BB being a swing guy or being the guard yeah,
Speaker 8: the backup guy?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you know, like he could have been. He
Speaker 2: could have been now the role that Hoffman hads.
Speaker 6: I don't know if I think that. I think BB's
Speaker 6: been fine, like I don't think BB was. I think
Speaker 6: BB has played well, So I think getting him reps
Speaker 6: as a rookie and he played well is a great thing.
Speaker 3: That's better.
Speaker 6: That's better for me than Hoffman being in there and
Speaker 6: maybe not seeing an appreciable difference between the two.
Speaker 8: It so, I wonder if hapman playing sixteen or seventeen
Speaker 8: weeks is a good thing?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Is hap been playing five weeks a good thing?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And wait, what are you getting?
Speaker 8: Well?
Speaker 2: He gets broken down? Got like he plays really really well.
Speaker 8: He's fresh for five six weeks, and then week seven,
Speaker 8: week eight he starts to get beat up and get war.
Speaker 2: Down and is not as effective.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well, I had to ask him last week. I was like,
Speaker 7: this is the first time in your prayer you've been
Speaker 7: able to stack.
Speaker 3: Nick's doing his job and that's what he does.
Speaker 7: I pushed my glasses. I asked him last week, you've
Speaker 7: been able to stack games for the first time of
Speaker 7: your career. Do you feel like you've gotten better over
Speaker 7: the course of these games? And he does feel like
Speaker 7: he's playing his best football right now and his body's good. No, No,
Speaker 7: you're right, seventeen games.
Speaker 2: I wonder if you wonder if what he would have
Speaker 2: been at center for seventeen games? Yeah, what do you have?
Speaker 2: Been broken down? You know that kind of thing.
Speaker 3: But I love what they got from BB.
Speaker 6: I think he's been a really good for them, and
Speaker 6: I think that that experience is in value.
Speaker 17: Was a rookie.
Speaker 2: All right, Thank you guys.
Speaker 3: All right, that was good stuff.
Speaker 2: Brian, I try, I try.
Speaker 8: It took me to week sixteen, but here we are.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you guys. Tomorrow, tomorrow we dive in.
Speaker 6: This is gonna be the gauntless of these three games.
Speaker 6: It starts with Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Tomorrow we'll start breaking
Speaker 6: down that team, that Tampa Bay offense versus the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 3: Until then, for Nick Harris, Brian brought us an Ambergarci.
Speaker 3: I'm Derek Eaglet, and.
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