1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. 4 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 5 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 2: Yes? 6 00:00:16,560 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 7 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 8 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: Ready for a break? 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, and so much for that. 10 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 5: It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 11 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 5: with mbar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Nick Harris, and Derek Eagleton. 12 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,440 Speaker 6: It is Tuesday, December seventeenth, twenty twenty four, Season twenty, 13 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 6: episode number eighty seven. Welcome to the latest edition of 14 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 6: The Break. We are live from this WBC Mortgage Studios 15 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 6: at the Start, presented by lglg's the world's number one 16 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 6: O lead TV brand for eleven years accounting see why 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 6: at LG dot com Ford slash O lead EVO. Welcome 18 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,880 Speaker 6: to a Tuesday, Today's Big Picture Day. Today we'll hit 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,520 Speaker 6: different topics. In the opening segment, We're going to talk 20 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 6: a little bit about this defense, and I want to 21 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,440 Speaker 6: talk about Mike Zimmer in particular, talk about what we 22 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 6: think of him and where we think he is relative 23 00:01:11,600 --> 00:01:13,240 Speaker 6: to what we thought of him coming into this year. 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,440 Speaker 3: Questions today, I mentioned it yesterday. We were going to 25 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 3: talk about that, sorry man. 26 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 6: And then as Mike zimmern and then we will get 27 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 6: to that. And then in the second segment we will 28 00:01:26,360 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 6: go inside the brain and Brian brought us and he'll 29 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 6: have lots of questions. 30 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 2: One then will. 31 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 6: Not be about zimmer We'll talk about him in the 32 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 6: first segment, and then we'll try to take some questions. 33 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 6: You guys can hit me up on Twitter or your 34 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,440 Speaker 6: calls one eight eight eight five five two two nine seven, 35 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:42,919 Speaker 6: and we'll try to get some questions from you guys. 36 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 6: Uh and if you have any comments you want to 37 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 6: just talk to the crew here. We always love to 38 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 6: hear from you guys, so hit us up and we'll 39 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 6: see what we can do to engage you in the show. 40 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 6: Let's start first with the Cowboys defense real quick, before 41 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 6: we get into the conversation of Mike Zimmer, I do 42 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 6: want to at least spend a little time talking about Trayvon. 43 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:02,960 Speaker 3: What is the I guess it all kind of came 44 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 3: to a. 45 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 6: Head over the weekend where oh my god, he's not traveling. 46 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gonna probably be out for the rest of 47 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 3: the year. 48 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 6: What do we know about that and how it developed 49 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 6: into to the point to where it is now and 50 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 6: when can we expect to see him back on the field. 51 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 2: Yes. 52 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 7: So it is the same knee that he dealt with 53 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 7: last year, but there was the issue that he had 54 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 7: been battling most of the year was fluid in his 55 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:28,000 Speaker 7: knee and it it bothered him and it kept him 56 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:30,240 Speaker 7: out a couple of games, and then he goes and 57 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 7: plays what was it seventy something snaps against the Bengals. 58 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 7: They come in and he has a little bit of discomfort. 59 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 7: Early in the week, they do some testing and some imaging. 60 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 7: He's still limited in practice early on, and then Friday 61 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 7: is when they kind of come to the determination that 62 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 7: he's dealing with that chondrial issue, which. 63 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: Is the. 64 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 7: It's like the cartilage at the end of your bone 65 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,560 Speaker 7: and your knee. He's dealing with some issues there and 66 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 7: needs surgery to repair that injury. So I'm not a 67 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 7: doctor anything. I'm trying to communicate as best as I can. 68 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 7: But the recovery is looking like about eight months and 69 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 7: that would put him Stephen Jones has Yeah, Stephen Jones. 70 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 2: Says, I'm counting on my face, yeah, lsu. Yeah. 71 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 7: Stephen Jones would have has some confidence that he'll be 72 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 7: back by week one, but definitely looked at training camp 73 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 7: and was like, yeah, we might not have him at 74 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 7: camp this year. So yeah, that's definitely gonna be one 75 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,120 Speaker 7: that we will be tracking all off season and hopes 76 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 7: that he can make it for Week one. So we're 77 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 7: looking at him and Marven overshown already as potential missing 78 00:03:31,639 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 7: time in twenty twenty five and we haven't even ended 79 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 7: twenty twenty four yet. 80 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 6: So yeah, how concerning is it that someone like Treyvon 81 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,240 Speaker 6: is now going to miss the entire offseason because you 82 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 6: look at it, He's now. 83 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 3: Had last year, that's two years in a row. 84 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 6: Now he doesn't get the off season, won't have training 85 00:03:49,240 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 6: camp this year. And when you're trying to get to 86 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 6: a point where you kind of really the off season 87 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 6: is when you're preparing your body for the rigors of 88 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 6: NFL football, right, you're getting yourself ready. 89 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: How much does that concern you? 90 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:00,840 Speaker 2: It's huge. 91 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 8: It's huge because you know, you went through this all 92 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 8: of last year and there's so much unknown now that 93 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 8: it's one thing to have one injury, but to have 94 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 8: too And this man makes his living with his feet, 95 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,360 Speaker 8: his knees, his legs, I mean, that's what he makes 96 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 8: his living with and the fact that you've had now 97 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 8: two major surgeries on those legs. It doesn't doesn't bode well. 98 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 8: And especially when you're talking about cartilage injuries and bone 99 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 8: on bone situations, and you know, what's the next step. 100 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,839 Speaker 8: Is it always going to be completely Is it going 101 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 8: to be better? 102 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 2: Uh? 103 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 8: You know, you kind of feel like when you fix 104 00:04:41,240 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 8: the knee one time that things are going to be okay. 105 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,640 Speaker 8: But this is a this is a very significant injury. 106 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 8: And you know, initially you thought, okay, scope, clean it out, 107 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 8: that kind of thing. 108 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 2: No, No, this is a very very serious injury. 109 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 8: And you know then, I know, talking to trainers and 110 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,200 Speaker 8: doctors around the league, they've microfracture. 111 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: You hear that. 112 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,159 Speaker 8: That's a scary thing when you start to talk about 113 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 8: what's the what's the next step or the potentially next step, 114 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 8: And you know, that's. 115 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:13,480 Speaker 2: Very few, very few if. 116 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,560 Speaker 8: Have dealt with that and come back and played at 117 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 8: a very very high level. Not to say it hasn't happened, 118 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,640 Speaker 8: it's just a it's a very very difficult thing to 119 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 8: deal with. 120 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: I mean, one key injury is already bad enough, and 121 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 4: then you start adding everybody else that's on that list, 122 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 4: including your quarterback like when because they're recovering from surgery 123 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,480 Speaker 4: and you still there's that unknown of how are they 124 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,279 Speaker 4: gonna look when they do come back from injury, because 125 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 4: most often than not, it takes multiple weeks for them 126 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 4: to get back and sometimes they don't even go back 127 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 4: to what they used to be. So it's gonna be 128 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 4: a very very challenging off season for the Cowboys as 129 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 4: they try to manage this roster and also try to 130 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 4: figure out that'll known of these guys, key players, what's 131 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 4: gonna happen with them, and how are you going to 132 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 4: address all these issues? 133 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 9: But man, for this secondary just a terrible, terrible hit. 134 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 4: Darn Bland. I think he's on track. He's been looking 135 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 4: good with his recovery, him coming back from injury, and 136 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 4: so far, so good. And we still don't know what's 137 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 4: gonna happen with Jordan. 138 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 9: Lewis as far as his future here with. 139 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 4: The Cowboys, and then now add this Trevon Digg's injury. 140 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 9: It really sucks for this team. 141 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 8: The positivity will be coming probably from the draft, but 142 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 8: I think they'll be going into training camp when we 143 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:41,560 Speaker 8: all get back on that train in July will be 144 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 8: I think there'll be a lot like Ambar's talking about 145 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 8: a lot more questions instead of sure, there'll be some 146 00:06:47,320 --> 00:06:50,720 Speaker 8: positivity about some of the players they got, and if 147 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,239 Speaker 8: they don't play in free agency, then it'll be like, well, okay, 148 00:06:54,240 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 8: where's this team at. You know, the Commanders look like 149 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 8: they're a better team. The Eagles clearly are the class 150 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,880 Speaker 8: of the division. You know, right now it's you and 151 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 8: the Giants that are kind of But I think the positivity, 152 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 8: just like she's talking about with all the injuries, not 153 00:07:09,640 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 8: just the Digs, but the the Dak injury. Uh, look 154 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 8: at you know, uh, look at the the situation. 155 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: With juan Ye, Thomas and Bell. 156 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 8: I mean, all these guys that you kind of counted on, uh, 157 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:22,880 Speaker 8: and then what guys. 158 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: You're gonna lose. 159 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 8: I think that I think teams are a extually. I 160 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 8: think the media fan base is probably going to take 161 00:07:29,040 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 8: a big step back and say, maybe this team isn't 162 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 8: as good going into the season as it was coming 163 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 8: into twenty twenty four. 164 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 4: Well, good thing is that there's still three games left 165 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 4: on the on the schedule, and with that you get 166 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 4: a chance to look at depth and the guys that you. 167 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 2: Currently do have in seeing depth all year. 168 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 4: We have, we have, but you get a different look 169 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 4: and more time to see real game situation. Again, it's 170 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 4: very hard to replicate real games. You know, you can't 171 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:00,760 Speaker 4: do that at practice. It just does not look the 172 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 4: same and it doesn't give you the same results that 173 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:07,880 Speaker 4: you're looking for. So it's just another opportunity to look 174 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:11,080 Speaker 4: at what you have in younger guys and in depth 175 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 4: to maybe give you a better idea of what you 176 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: can do or who you can keep during this offseason. 177 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 6: All right, when you look at the Cowboys defense right now, 178 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 6: we're going to we're gonna move a little bit, but 179 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 6: continue to talk a little bit about injuries as well. 180 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,240 Speaker 6: When you look at the Cowboys defense, how well they've played. 181 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:29,840 Speaker 6: I saw this morning Joyce Joseph Hoyd put it on Twitter. 182 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 6: I thought it was an interesting tweet. He said that 183 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:35,040 Speaker 6: to this point, Cowboys for the season are the twenty 184 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 6: sixth ranked defense relative to EPA per play allowed. Right 185 00:08:39,520 --> 00:08:41,199 Speaker 6: over the last four games. 186 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: They're fifth in the NFL. 187 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 6: A big difference obviously in the first four games, I 188 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:47,040 Speaker 6: mean in the last four games. Now, part of that 189 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:49,720 Speaker 6: you have to consider is the competition that they were 190 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 6: up against. Now, I will also say they played an 191 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 6: equally poor team in Week two in the Saints, and 192 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 6: the Saints kicked their butt, right, So you can say that. 193 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 6: But they've lost some bad teams this year too. They've 194 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 6: been equal opportunity providers there when it comes to giving losses. 195 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 6: But that all being said, they've played a lot of 196 00:09:07,840 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 6: this season without some of the key guys on defense Parsons, 197 00:09:10,600 --> 00:09:16,319 Speaker 6: d Law, Diggs, Bland, Overshown, Williams, Kneeland. All that being said, 198 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 6: how much do you how much difference do you give 199 00:09:19,160 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 6: Mike Zimmer and this defense when it comes to the 200 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 6: injuries and all the guys that they had to play 201 00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 6: without and having to kind of get his defense going 202 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 6: when you try to evaluate him as a as a 203 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 6: play caller for the season. 204 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 7: Yeah, if I look at everything after, I would say, 205 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 7: I don't know week seven, give or take, then yeah, 206 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 7: I think you can give some difference to that, and 207 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 7: you understand the challenges that he's been battling throughout the 208 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:45,239 Speaker 7: year as a coordinator. Because man, it's defensive end, it's linebacker, 209 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,560 Speaker 7: it's corner. I feel like the safety position might be 210 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 7: the only one that hasn't really had a lot of 211 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 7: a turnover this season because of injury. So I have 212 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 7: to give credit to Mike Zimmer because he's been dealing 213 00:09:57,360 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 7: with a lot of guys. And you look at Josh Butler, 214 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 7: how he was a the step up, Amantio Ro Warriers, 215 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:04,040 Speaker 7: had a couple of strong outings. Carl Lawson was a 216 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 7: guy that we didn't even think might make the team 217 00:10:06,160 --> 00:10:09,280 Speaker 7: out of training camp, and he's become a legitimate pass 218 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 7: rusher for them. So with what the pieces he's dealing 219 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 7: with over the course of the last few weeks, you 220 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 7: got to give credit to how he's put it together. 221 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 7: From a defensive coordinator and a play color standpoint, Yeah, I. 222 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 4: Give him tons of credit and a lot of respect 223 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 4: because even though we talked about it yesterday, Brian mentioned 224 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 4: the whole you know, would have been good for him 225 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 4: to have everybody buy into his new system, a new 226 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:36,480 Speaker 4: scheme earlier on to potentially win you some of this game. 227 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: You got to look at it the other way too, 228 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 4: looking at all the injuries, all the things that he's 229 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 4: had to battle through, but also with the season, how 230 00:10:44,640 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: he was going and how it's been going. How do 231 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 4: you keep players motivated and wanting to go out there 232 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 4: and compete and not give up and not throw in 233 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,840 Speaker 4: the towel and say hey whatever. And I think you've 234 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:59,720 Speaker 4: seen that with this defense over the last few weeks, 235 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 4: that they are actually going out there putting in the 236 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: effort and playing at a high level or at least 237 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 4: the highest that you can possibly give in the situation. 238 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 4: So to that, I think it can be very challenging 239 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 4: just keeping guys wanting to still put in the time 240 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:21,439 Speaker 4: during the week in preparation and then go out there 241 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 4: on Sunday and fight and battle and do what they 242 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 4: need to do to take care of the game and 243 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 4: help their off. And so I think I've I mentioned 244 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 4: it yesterday. At first I was skeptical because of some 245 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,320 Speaker 4: of the results, but as the week went on, I'm 246 00:11:38,440 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 4: very impressed and I would not mind him coming back 247 00:11:41,520 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 4: and being here again with the Cowboys. 248 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 8: Jump ahead ran, Yeah, no, I it's it is one 249 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 8: of my favorite new things. And kind of falling in 250 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 8: love with these numbers and looking at numbers and stuff. 251 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 2: Yeah it was. 252 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 8: I never was, but I was looking at overthecap dot 253 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 8: com and they talk about contract and stuff, and you 254 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 8: mentioned about Carl Lawson. Carl Lawson's playing like a player 255 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 8: that's like over thirteen million dollars in value, fourteen million dollars. 256 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 8: He's playing like a fourteen million dollar year position player 257 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 8: and he's making a million dollars, you know, And so 258 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,280 Speaker 8: you know here he is, he's playing thirteen million dollars 259 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 8: over value of what the player of How you determine 260 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,959 Speaker 8: his you know, how you determine what he's doing. 261 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 2: And that's super impressive to me that. 262 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 8: But you are getting guys that are playing now whatever 263 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 8: we were I'm used to seeing. And I've always talked 264 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:34,840 Speaker 8: about the OSA falloff. 265 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 2: We haven't seen the OSA falloff. 266 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,960 Speaker 8: You know, you're getting some guys that are You're getting 267 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 8: to Carl Lawson, who man, we were sitting there at 268 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 8: training camp and they just kept throwing names that, it 269 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 8: names that, it names that, and they finally hit it right, 270 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 8: and we're all worried about Carl Lawson. 271 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: I know I was. 272 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 8: You know, I'm like, well, Carl Lawson playing the run well, Well, 273 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 8: he's playing the pass and the run well for you 274 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 8: right now. 275 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 2: So Zim deserves a lot of career. I tell you where. 276 00:12:58,000 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 2: I really do. 277 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 8: Like Zim and and I've been with him, known him 278 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:04,720 Speaker 8: a long time. I think that he's done a better 279 00:13:04,880 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 8: job than And one of my questions was about him 280 00:13:07,080 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 8: and dan Quinn, So this is how I'll answer this question. 281 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 2: Then. The thing that I like about Mike is I. 282 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 8: Think he knows how to match his guys up against 283 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,760 Speaker 8: their weakest opponents. I think he's kind of figured out 284 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:25,719 Speaker 8: how to How many times have we seen and this 285 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 8: is really no disrespect to dan Quinn, but how many 286 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 8: times have we seen Micah Parsons taking rushes against Trent 287 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 8: Williams of the forty nine ers or Lane Johnson to 288 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,439 Speaker 8: the Philadelphia Eagles And you're just like going, man, you're 289 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:39,080 Speaker 8: beating your head. 290 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 2: It's this is a wash, this is good verse good. 291 00:13:42,080 --> 00:13:44,199 Speaker 2: You know, Zim has kind. 292 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 8: Of figured out how to get his really good players 293 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 8: on their bad players. And I appreciate that, you know, 294 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 8: because that's what to me when you go out and 295 00:13:53,200 --> 00:13:55,280 Speaker 8: you advance scout and you look at it and you're thinking, 296 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 8: what's this all about? Teams trying to hide their bad players. 297 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,840 Speaker 8: Mike finds your bad player and takes advantage of that. 298 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 8: And that's what I appreciate about him the most, and 299 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:11,959 Speaker 8: that he's he's taken guys like Parsons osa Lawson, Wilson, 300 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 8: whatever he has to do, He's found ways to attack Lewis, 301 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 8: attack these offenses by just some of the matchups. 302 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: I think that's where I want to give him a 303 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 2: lot of credit. 304 00:14:23,280 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, I feel like dan Quinn at times last year 305 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 7: got better at that because we saw Michael Parsons lined 306 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 7: up over zero tech many times, lind up over center 307 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 7: at zero tech many times, we saw him moving around 308 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 7: quite a bit. I agree with you, but I think 309 00:14:35,800 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 7: dan Quinn did get a little bit better at that 310 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 7: last year specifically. 311 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just to me, it's I see it. 312 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 8: Maybe it's because of Parsons, but I see it with 313 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 8: all his players, you know, I see it. And maybe 314 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:52,160 Speaker 8: some of the things that's helped Osa not be Week 315 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 8: fourteen go away Osa could be his contract that he's 316 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 8: trying to get, maybe better conditioning, maybe the fact that like, 317 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 8: oh wait a minute, he's he's going against their their 318 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 8: their fifth best offensive lineman. You know, I don't know 319 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 8: if we always saw that, but I respect what you're saying. 320 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: I will tell you this. 321 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 6: The one thing that I'm keeping an eye on that 322 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:18,480 Speaker 6: I think I like more about Zimmer is it feels 323 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,200 Speaker 6: like at this point he may have finally solved the 324 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 6: enigma that has been the running defense for the Dallas Cowboys. 325 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 6: Now we're gonna find out these next three weeks, because 326 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,920 Speaker 6: you got some teams coming in here who can run 327 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 6: the ball, particularly when you play Philly. We're gonna find 328 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 6: out how good this run defense is. 329 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 2: Right. 330 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 6: But I will say this, I so far, I look 331 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 6: at what they did, and I know these were bad teams, 332 00:15:37,960 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 6: not the Giants so much from the standpoint of what 333 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 6: I'm talking about with rushing. 334 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 3: But Carolina has a really good rushing attack. That runner 335 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 3: really good. 336 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 2: That's how they been competitive year. 337 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 6: He is a really good runner, and he's run against 338 00:15:48,640 --> 00:15:50,560 Speaker 6: some good defense in this league and run well. 339 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: Cowboys held in the thirty something yards. 340 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think right now that's the part where if 341 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 6: I'm trying to compare the two I look at the 342 00:15:57,760 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 6: run defense and I say, man, finally, maybe somebody has 343 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 6: solved this run defense problem that has been kind of 344 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 6: popping its head up really for the last several years. 345 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 6: It's been this ongoing thing of you get to this 346 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 6: week and just you cannot figure out how to stop 347 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 6: the run. And I think that might actually Zimmer might 348 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 6: be onto. 349 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:16,080 Speaker 7: Something Dallas is fifth in the NFL over the last 350 00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,520 Speaker 7: three weeks and rushing yards allowed per game eighty three 351 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 7: point three, So. 352 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:20,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, they're doing quite well. 353 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 4: You've started to see a little bit more discipline just 354 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 4: from the defense as opposed to last year. I feel 355 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: like that kind of started taking a drop off with 356 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: discipline overall and penalties. Not to say that they've played 357 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: a completely clean game at all, but you see guys 358 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: just tackling better, running better, being more on their assignment 359 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 4: and do what they need to do. And again, I 360 00:16:45,400 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: love Dan Quinn and I think he was very very 361 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 4: well respected by everyone here and the players in the organization, 362 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 4: but there's something different about what Zimmer has been able 363 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 4: to implement in the whole defense. 364 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:58,640 Speaker 9: And also not. 365 00:16:58,680 --> 00:17:04,000 Speaker 4: To make Mica Parsons like he's the I mean, I 366 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 4: know there's a lot of debate there, but I guess 367 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say, when you get a guy 368 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 4: like him to respect you and buy in. And again, 369 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 4: I'm not trying to make Micah like the biggest diva 370 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:19,480 Speaker 4: in the world or anything like that, but it helps. 371 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 4: It helps when you have a guy like him buy 372 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 4: into what you're selling and everyone kind of follows, and 373 00:17:27,320 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 4: it's just he just made it better than what it 374 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 4: was last year. And there were things that dan Quinn 375 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 4: was able to do also, and again he didn't have 376 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,439 Speaker 4: to deal with as many injuries. And I think with 377 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 4: the turnovers, that's something that you're starting to see in 378 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 4: these last few weeks where it was lacking this year, 379 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 4: but now it's starting to pick over and you see 380 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,439 Speaker 4: the kind of things that they're practicing out there and 381 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 4: just reflecting back to the field in the game. 382 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, we will. 383 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 6: Now we have to move on to a much more 384 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 6: complex question, which we'll have to say for another time 385 00:17:57,480 --> 00:18:00,119 Speaker 6: about Mike McCarthy whether he gets that same difference with 386 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 6: regardless of the injuries. 387 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: We'll have that. 388 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 6: Conversation at some point. 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You 456 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 7: look at what he's done to help sustate drives for 457 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,600 Speaker 7: Cooper Rush. I think he's been more of a benefit 458 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 7: to Cooper Rush than Ceedee Lamb has been. And that's 459 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:30,639 Speaker 7: no discredit to Ceede Lamb. It's more of a credit 460 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 7: to Rico Dowdell winning the time and possesion battle against 461 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 7: teams that run the ball really well in Carolina, you know, 462 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 7: keeping that offense off the field from Cincinnati. You know, 463 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 7: you're one, you know, executed block pun away from winning 464 00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 7: that game because of being able to win the time 465 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 7: position battle and stand front. 466 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: So I'd have to give Zrego Dawdell. 467 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 7: He's he's been great over these last few weeks and 468 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:51,359 Speaker 7: it's helping us overall off. 469 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 8: And Bergarcia currently the most important offensive player CD Lamb 470 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 8: or Rico. 471 00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:05,439 Speaker 4: Daddle currently us like this weekend currently defined currently. I 472 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:09,679 Speaker 4: don't like this question because well that's the that's the 473 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 4: point of it, right, Okay, hold on, let me process this. 474 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,679 Speaker 2: I currently process this. Please. 475 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 4: I would like to say, uh, fine, I'll go with 476 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 4: the running game. I'll go with Rico because, and this 477 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 4: is taken into account that Cooper Rush through three touchdown 478 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,680 Speaker 4: passes to three different targets. So because initially my thought 479 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 4: is like, okay, what do you have at receiver. Really, 480 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,520 Speaker 4: what have you been producing there? Not a whole lot. 481 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 9: But then also now that. 482 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,959 Speaker 4: It's kind of opening things up, is due to reco 483 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,240 Speaker 4: down and moving the chains through the running game. So 484 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 4: as of right now, in this moment, in this second, 485 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 4: I'll go with Rico, what. 486 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 9: Are you looking at me like that for? Is it CD? CD? 487 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:04,920 Speaker 3: Like it's CD. 488 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 6: I'll I'll take you back to this game, right, Cowboys 489 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 6: offense kind of been floundering a. 490 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,399 Speaker 3: Little bit after and then what happened? 491 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 6: What happened there was there was a there was one drive, 492 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 6: the first scoring drive. 493 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:15,840 Speaker 2: What happened? 494 00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 3: Third down? Three times on that drive? Three times CD 495 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 3: CD CD. That's the difference. 496 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: Saying this whole season yes, yes, no no no no 497 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 4: no no no no no no. 498 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,640 Speaker 6: What you have to realize, what you have to realize, 499 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 6: what you have to realize is on this team. Okay, 500 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 6: to put it to you like this take away CD, 501 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 6: you think Rico's getting much on the ground? 502 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 2: Yes, How if. 503 00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 6: Defenses say we don't have to worry about CD, lamb, 504 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,360 Speaker 6: how are they going to run the ball. I don't 505 00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 6: think this is not a dominant offensive line. This is 506 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,119 Speaker 6: a good offensive line. When they play at their best, 507 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 6: They're not dominant. So if defenses say we're gonna put 508 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 6: eight guys in the box, we're not worried about any 509 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,240 Speaker 6: anybody on the back, and we're gonna man up across 510 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:01,639 Speaker 6: the board. 511 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 3: How do you think they're gonna run the ball? 512 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 7: There have been some first down opportunities where CD has 513 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 7: been off the field in recent weeks, Bear and Rico 514 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 7: has been able to produce. That's that's what comes to 515 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 7: mind when I think about that and talking about Okay, 516 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 7: Rico wouldn't have any opportunities off CD is on the field. 517 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 7: I do see where you're coming from in that sense, 518 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 7: but I disagree. I'm not saying I'm not saying more 519 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:24,880 Speaker 7: of an upfront situation with this offensive line. Truthfully, it's 520 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,000 Speaker 7: because of the offensive line. I'm saying Rico dwell in 521 00:24:27,040 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 7: this instance. I think they would still be able to 522 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 7: pay lanes with the way that they are. 523 00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 3: Blocking against an eight man front regularly. Yeah, I don't 524 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 3: think I don't get yards. 525 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 2: I don't think that. 526 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 6: I don't think they would consistently do that over a game. 527 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 6: And I get what you're saying, A player or two whenever, 528 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 6: when when one may be on the field and. 529 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 3: The others off that's fine. 530 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 6: I think if a defense goes into a game knowing 531 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 6: we don't have to deal with ceedee lamb, it changes 532 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 6: how they look at the Dallas Cowboys offense. 533 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 3: At that point they're like, guess what, we're gonna man 534 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 3: up and Cooper rush. 535 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 6: If you're good enough with these receivers to be able 536 00:24:56,720 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 6: to beat us in man coverage, great, go for it. 537 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, we're not going 538 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,000 Speaker 3: to let you run. 539 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:03,600 Speaker 6: And I think if they said we're not going to 540 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:05,119 Speaker 6: let you run, they would stop that. 541 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 7: I think it's. 542 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:10,800 Speaker 4: Okay looking at both you're taking CD all day like 543 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 4: if you gotta yes absolutely currently currently yes absolutely. 544 00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:17,360 Speaker 9: But the point is it just goes back to. 545 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 2: You being able to. 546 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 4: Okay, Brian, you know what you're doing, and you started, 547 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 4: but the point does know But the point goes back 548 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 4: to right now, what's happening with the game. The the 549 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 4: reason why you've been able to start doing a few 550 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 4: little things offensively is because you started running the ball. 551 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 4: And it doesn't go back to rica I'm saying, just 552 00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 4: the ability to run the ball. 553 00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 6: Obviously see commitment to comment, commitment to it right, and 554 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:52,119 Speaker 6: I agree with that, but my point still remains. In 555 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 6: the NFL, as is the case in the NBA, as 556 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 6: is the case in Major League Baseball. 557 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 3: Players matter. When you have great. 558 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,680 Speaker 6: Players, it affects how the other team has to deal 559 00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,080 Speaker 6: with you. And and right now, you look at this 560 00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 6: offense right now, just currently constituted, how many great players 561 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 6: are on this offense? 562 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,159 Speaker 3: Not good players, great players are on this offense. What 563 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:12,760 Speaker 3: who is he? 564 00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:13,360 Speaker 2: CD Lamb? 565 00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 3: You're right, I'll take the left guard. 566 00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:18,920 Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll take the left I'm not to discredit cd 567 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 7: Lamb because he he would easily be number two and. 568 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 3: A second thinking how can I then you get my 569 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 3: guy touches. 570 00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 7: But he is a great player, absolutely, And we're looking 571 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 7: at the totality of it, like you said, we're taking 572 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,840 Speaker 7: cdee Lamb. But if we're talking about right now, specifically 573 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 7: looking at these last three weeks, looking at the impact 574 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,959 Speaker 7: that Rico Dawdell has made for this offense as compared 575 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000 Speaker 7: to the impact that Cede Lamb has made to this 576 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,680 Speaker 7: offense throughout the year. Even what we can even look 577 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 7: at these last three weeks too, I would take doubtell. 578 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 7: I mean it's it's like Dowdell Lamb everyone else. 579 00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:56,080 Speaker 3: I mean fair, but I would flip those two and 580 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 3: I think Dawdle's up there. 581 00:26:57,280 --> 00:26:59,119 Speaker 6: And don't get me wrong, I think Dabdall has played 582 00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,400 Speaker 6: a role really well this year, or at least when 583 00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,280 Speaker 6: they wanted to use him like that. And I'm as 584 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 6: big of me and Brian said back during training camp, 585 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 6: we both were agreed, if they give him the ball, 586 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,239 Speaker 6: if they're willing to commit to him, he's more than 587 00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 6: enough at the. 588 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:15,639 Speaker 2: Running back twelve hundred yards, yeah right now. And you 589 00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: kind of gave us sat where he right now? 590 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 3: Like where's he's eight eighty? 591 00:27:21,359 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 2: Well yeah, but yeah, twenty yards. 592 00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 4: He's had couple of weeks ago when they were not 593 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 4: running the ball doing nothing, you say CD. 594 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:36,679 Speaker 3: Look, CD is still the centerpiece of this offense. 595 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 6: They needed to commit to running the ball because when 596 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 6: they run the ball, when they're committed to running the ball, 597 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 6: it creates opportunities for CD to do what he does 598 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 6: because now defenses have to at least be respectful of 599 00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 6: the fact that Dallas will run the ball. When they 600 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,399 Speaker 6: weren't running the ball then there was it was just 601 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 6: basically like we can take CD away and they're not 602 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 6: going to do anything. 603 00:27:53,760 --> 00:28:00,320 Speaker 4: Else, You're not wrong, and I agree, but currently out 604 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 4: one answer is slightly better than the other, and that's 605 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 4: mine and Nick's answer. 606 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:05,960 Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. 607 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 7: We're gonna find out a lot about what the respect 608 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 7: that Rico Dawdle's starting to gain around the league going 609 00:28:12,359 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 7: into this week. I don't want to get ahead of 610 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,160 Speaker 7: Wednesday and Thursday. But this this Tampa Bay defense. They 611 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 7: stop the run. 612 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 2: Really well, but they can't stop bringing. 613 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 7: But they cannot stop the pass. So where do they 614 00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 7: dedicate their time to Do they load the box and say, hey, 615 00:28:25,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 7: you have to make CD Lamb beat us. Or do 616 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 7: they put a couple of guys on CD and say, 617 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,040 Speaker 7: hey you have to make Rego Dawdle beat us. And 618 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 7: I'd be curious to know what that looks like in 619 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 7: the first quarter. 620 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 6: On the point is you keep them off balanced by 621 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 6: doing different things. You move CD around, you see if 622 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,360 Speaker 6: maybe you can get down out of space, like there 623 00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 6: are things you can do to No matter which is 624 00:28:42,880 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 6: that decision they go with, you make it hard on 625 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,840 Speaker 6: them to make that decision because you're still moving guys 626 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 6: around doing different things. 627 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 3: So there's a way to defeat it. You know, if 628 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: Dallas can do it. 629 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. If Dallas can do it's question. Boy, 630 00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 2: that was a good than. 631 00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 3: That brain and Brian Brock got. 632 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: That one over. I got that one. 633 00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 3: Give me another one, all right. 634 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:04,520 Speaker 2: Derek. 635 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 8: Bigger impact on the future of this defense, Marshawn Kneeling 636 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,840 Speaker 8: or Mars Leafoul. 637 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 3: Mars that's pretty easy for me. 638 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,760 Speaker 6: I think what we saw this last week was my 639 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,160 Speaker 6: best hope for him. What I saw of him in 640 00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 6: college from the things I saw, was that he was 641 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 6: a playmaker. He was a guy who's always around the ball, 642 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 6: and this defense, in my opinion, that's one of the 643 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 6: things I think this defense has really lacked for even 644 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,800 Speaker 6: when they were pretty good under Quinn, they didn't really 645 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 6: have those playmaking linebackers. And you look across the NFL, 646 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,719 Speaker 6: and when you get great defenses, they don't just have 647 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 6: great pass rushers. They don't just have a great corner 648 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 6: or two. They also have somebody in the middle of 649 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 6: the defense that can make a difference, that can get 650 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 6: to the ball and knock the ball out, that can 651 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 6: create turnovers. And so what I'm most excited about right 652 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 6: now on this defense is the linebacker position. If overshown 653 00:29:54,080 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 6: comes back, and I think he will be and just 654 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 6: be just as good as he was before. And Maryus 655 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,800 Speaker 6: leafile there with him. I think Dallas is onto something 656 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 6: with those two linebackers. And we've seen when you've got 657 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 6: two of those guys, how great your defense. San Francisco. 658 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 6: I was thinking that Carolina here back when they had 659 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,200 Speaker 6: keik Ley and and what was the other guy's name? 660 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 8: The short uh, I'm gosh, Keiley. 661 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 3: He one Man of the Year, he won Man of 662 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 3: the Year, NFL Man of the Year. 663 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:27,640 Speaker 2: I know, Greg really small guy, the small line short linebacker. 664 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:30,719 Speaker 3: I have to look at it, but pay for them. 665 00:30:30,800 --> 00:30:34,560 Speaker 8: No, I'm like, I'm going way too far because I 666 00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,040 Speaker 8: I was going back to Sam Mills and guys like no, No, 667 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 8: it was it's like way too far back for there. 668 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 6: I see his face, Thomas Davis. That's what it was, 669 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,440 Speaker 6: Thomas Davis. Thomas Davis. But I thought that was a 670 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 6: good linebacker with Keiley and him. I thought they had 671 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 6: a really good tandem there. I think if you get 672 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 6: two really good linebackers, and if one of them is 673 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 6: special and one's really good, you can do some damage 674 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 6: in this league. And I think right now, I look 675 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 6: at those two and over showing and I think you 676 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 6: can get too maybe two great ones. 677 00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: And bar how about that Marshawn Kneelan or Marshleafel. 678 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 9: This one's easy. 679 00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:11,600 Speaker 4: I'm disappointed in you, Brian great first question that you 680 00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,600 Speaker 4: made it easy and I'm just kidding. 681 00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 9: Uh, well not, I'm not. 682 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 4: I love Maris like I absolutely love the guy. He 683 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: has been so great and it quickly took a shift 684 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 4: because going into training camp after the draft, Nielan was 685 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 4: the one that you're excited. 686 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 9: For looking for. 687 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,600 Speaker 4: Then he gets the injury and that kind of I mean, 688 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 4: it's sucked. But the moment that Marius got the opportunity, 689 00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 4: especially with overshown coming out, he did not miss a beat. 690 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,520 Speaker 4: And that's why you love. You love to have a 691 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 4: guy ready for the moment. And he was ready for 692 00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 4: the moment, took advantage of it. And you see the 693 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 4: in the way that he plays. You see the amount 694 00:31:58,880 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 4: of preparation that he he has done. You see him 695 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,960 Speaker 4: that he puts the work in his studies and he's 696 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 4: fast and not afraid to tackle. And like Derek said, 697 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,720 Speaker 4: and going back to what happened this weekend, him punching 698 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 4: that ball out, those are the kind of players that 699 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 4: you want, that you that don't only go and tackling 700 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 4: out the plays over like you go for the ball, 701 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,880 Speaker 4: be a what is it called ballhowker ballhawk? 702 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 7: Ball? 703 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, an eagle ball hawk that ball just. 704 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 2: Like that. 705 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 7: One time specially, you gotta be ready for it. 706 00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,560 Speaker 2: What do you got there? 707 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 7: Is this more so talking about the future or is 708 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 7: it talking about what we see impact. 709 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:40,120 Speaker 2: In the future of this defense? 710 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 3: Is there a difference? 711 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,719 Speaker 7: Yeah? I was if we're talking about the season the future, 712 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 7: future of the future. Yeah, I'm thinking back and forth 713 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:55,280 Speaker 7: here because we haven't seen what Marshawn Niland has can 714 00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,920 Speaker 7: do completely because he's he's been he hasn't been healthy 715 00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,360 Speaker 7: all year. 716 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: And I know what marsh sh Nieland. 717 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,080 Speaker 7: Didn't as as a college player and what he can 718 00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 7: bring to the NFL. I feel like he hasn't gotten 719 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 7: a fair shot at seeing that yet, whereas Mary's Leafel 720 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 7: is now starting to get that complete opportunity. 721 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 3: Okay, so so real quick, not to interrupt, but I 722 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 3: want you to answer this. 723 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 2: Are you interrupted part of it? 724 00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 3: You said you saw what he did in college. 725 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 6: Explain for the folks out there what you mean by that, 726 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 6: because that that's what you could expect as very best 727 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 6: of him in the NFL. 728 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, whenever we were going talking on the Draft show 729 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 7: about Marshaw Neeland compared him to a poor man so 730 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 7: Marcus Lawrence, in the sense that he can seal the 731 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 7: edge really well. He plays the run really well. He's big, 732 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:36,800 Speaker 7: he's physical, he can overpower undersized offensive tackles or even 733 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 7: average sized offensive tackles and get to the quarterback. The 734 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 7: sack numbers haven't really been there for him throughout his 735 00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,840 Speaker 7: entire career, but he does have ability at just making 736 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 7: life difficult for opposing quarterbacks. And but it's it's his 737 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 7: strength in the run game that I think is really, 738 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 7: uh really fun and and if you're looking at Mary's leafel, 739 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320 Speaker 7: you also kind of see a well rounded player, but 740 00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 7: maybe with more so an emphasis on on the run 741 00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,320 Speaker 7: game that we've seen in the NFL so far, him 742 00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 7: being able to fill running lanes and be a very 743 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,320 Speaker 7: decisive of doing that. I'm gonna I'm gonna say, Leo foul, 744 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 7: but I am not discounting the fact that Neiland has health. 745 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,520 Speaker 7: Bro I'm not riding the fences. 746 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,279 Speaker 6: Such a good argument, and I wanted to go he 747 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 6: wanted you to go. 748 00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,360 Speaker 7: I am saying Leo fl but it made such a 749 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 7: good argument for that is I'm giving neland a little 750 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 7: bit more credit here. 751 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,000 Speaker 6: Okay, So Brian, let me ask you this question. Both 752 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:29,040 Speaker 6: of you, guys, Amber jump into here. Here's the question ceiling. 753 00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:31,880 Speaker 6: Let's but let's see. Let's see you just said you 754 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 6: compared him to a poor man's Tank Lawrence. Yeah, let's 755 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,840 Speaker 6: assume he becomes Tank Lawrence. Give me a comp for 756 00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:39,839 Speaker 6: what you think based on what you've seen, on what 757 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,480 Speaker 6: you think marys Leaphile. 758 00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 3: Can become mmmm man because. 759 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,400 Speaker 6: You're giving him best case scenario. What's best case scenario 760 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:48,240 Speaker 6: for Marris Leophile? 761 00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:48,879 Speaker 2: What did I come? 762 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 7: I gotta look at what my convoys for him last 763 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 7: year coming out? 764 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,560 Speaker 2: Can he be like if you're doing Cowboys? 765 00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:55,560 Speaker 3: Anybody you give me? 766 00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:01,280 Speaker 2: Could he be like Brady James? Maybe a or maybe more. 767 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:07,479 Speaker 7: Notice a little bit higher than Brads. Let me cook 768 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 7: on this all right. 769 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 6: Reason. The reason why is because I hear what you're 770 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:15,160 Speaker 6: saying about Tank, and I have a feeling if it's 771 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 6: James comparison, if his career plays out exactly like like Tanks, 772 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:24,080 Speaker 6: I think Tank is very underrated because he doesn't have 773 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 6: the sacks, and at defensive end you don't have the 774 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:29,560 Speaker 6: huge number of sacks, then you don't get the same 775 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 6: level of respect. But if you're a linebacker that's a 776 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 6: playmaking linebacker, you're going to have those splash plays. 777 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 3: You're going to have those plays everybody. 778 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,600 Speaker 6: So in a lot of people's minds, if that's the case, 779 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 6: Marris would be a higher ranked player than Eland would be. 780 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:44,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 781 00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 8: See to me, I don't know, are we kind of 782 00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:50,720 Speaker 8: is this the ceiling for Merris the way he's playing. 783 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,880 Speaker 9: I don't think this is a ceiling for him. What 784 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:55,520 Speaker 9: the heck the first year? Come on, what do you 785 00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,280 Speaker 9: mean the ceiling? 786 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,440 Speaker 2: No? I mean sometimes players are they play at their 787 00:35:59,440 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 2: best level. 788 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 3: That's who they are when they come in, that's who 789 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 3: they are. 790 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 9: Na, I see a brighter future. 791 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:14,240 Speaker 4: Okay, the schemes, right, No, I think also it helps 792 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,360 Speaker 4: the scheme and like when you talk about having a guy. 793 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 2: Like I think this guy is going to become a 794 00:36:18,560 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 2: good pass rusher. 795 00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:22,880 Speaker 3: But I don't anything. Oh yeah, I just wonder. I 796 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 3: just wonder if Maris. 797 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,200 Speaker 6: If we're looking at Maris and we're gonna look up 798 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,959 Speaker 6: three years from now and you're looking at Merris and 799 00:36:29,960 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 6: and and and uh demo and saying that is the 800 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,080 Speaker 6: best linebacker tandem in the NFL. And if you're doing that, 801 00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 6: I don't know if Neland's gonna be on that level. Gotcha, 802 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,479 Speaker 6: now here's gonna do. We're gonna take our final break. 803 00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:43,319 Speaker 6: I love these questions so much. We're gonna do a 804 00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:44,600 Speaker 6: double dose. 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That 871 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:56,320 Speaker 2: was put. 872 00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 8: Hoffman and Steel, Guidon Smith, bbe, hoff and Steel them 873 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 8: ranked them as a level of play. 874 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:08,800 Speaker 9: Okay, I'm talking about this season. 875 00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:12,919 Speaker 7: Yeah, last year, I didn't know if we're talking about 876 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 7: like career wise, the last. 877 00:40:14,840 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 4: Couple of weeks almost said a bad word on there. 878 00:40:26,440 --> 00:40:27,839 Speaker 9: All right, let me process this. 879 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 4: I would go with Smith first, and then what I'm 880 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:41,680 Speaker 4: battling with is excitement versus looking at the whole year 881 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,399 Speaker 4: like what it's been. With that being said, I'm talking 882 00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:49,080 Speaker 4: about Hoffmann specifically, just because he brings a different level 883 00:40:49,080 --> 00:40:51,680 Speaker 4: of excitement that you're like, Okay, you've seen this type 884 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 4: of aggressiveness that you kind of have lacked for a 885 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 4: little bit. It's just something different to have in there. 886 00:40:57,400 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 4: But also sometimes I think about. 887 00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:01,560 Speaker 9: He's a little too aggressive. 888 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 4: It's like, Okay, calm down a little bit too But Smith, 889 00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with potentially bbe next, and then Hoffman Steel. 890 00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:23,880 Speaker 2: How about you, Derek. 891 00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 6: You know, ironically I did the exact same thing, and 892 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 6: I was the only part I was a little bit 893 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 6: torn on is I was torn between Guiding and Steel 894 00:41:32,000 --> 00:41:34,920 Speaker 6: whether I thought Guiding was a bit better than Steel. 895 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 6: But I think will push me on exactly. And I 896 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,319 Speaker 6: also think the last couple of weeks have kind of 897 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:43,120 Speaker 6: shape given me a little more towards Steele, Like. 898 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's been pretty good. 899 00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 6: They made the change the right guard exactly, so it 900 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 6: makes me wonder how much that was affecting his place. 901 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:51,959 Speaker 6: So I'm giving him a little bit more difference there. 902 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,280 Speaker 6: So that's kind of how it would go. Smith Bebe, 903 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:55,400 Speaker 6: Hoffman Steele. 904 00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 7: I also want to give credit to Steel in the 905 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,480 Speaker 7: run game. I feel like he's been he's been really 906 00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,880 Speaker 7: strong in the You want to do that, yeah, I 907 00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 7: am sure this time I had the same order as well. 908 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:13,479 Speaker 7: I'd be going Smith, bb Hoffman Steel, Guiden is is guiding. 909 00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 8: The issue, like I say, is the with goe if 910 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 8: he has not had not had the penalties, the holdings, 911 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,440 Speaker 8: the lining ups, the things like that. 912 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:24,799 Speaker 2: Would you give it more? Are you agree? 913 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 7: He's also boom or bust at times though, where it's 914 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,600 Speaker 7: it's like he's great against Cleveland and then he has 915 00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,879 Speaker 7: some severe breakdowns against uh trying to think of one 916 00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 7: off the top of my head where it was just 917 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,239 Speaker 7: a bad game for him, Yes, Saints is Yeah, I mean, 918 00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:38,879 Speaker 7: may as well just go to the next week where 919 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:40,799 Speaker 7: it's just like, man, how did he allow that to happen? 920 00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:41,080 Speaker 18: Yeah? 921 00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. 922 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,919 Speaker 6: I thought Geydon was might sound weird, but I thought 923 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,400 Speaker 6: he was actually better than I expected him to be 924 00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 6: this year. I thought as bad as the penalties were, 925 00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:53,200 Speaker 6: I thought they were gonna be even worse because in camp, 926 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 6: literally it seemed like every rep. 927 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:55,520 Speaker 3: His hands are outside. 928 00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,239 Speaker 6: I was like, he's gonna get flagged every play, Like 929 00:42:57,400 --> 00:42:59,480 Speaker 6: literally every play he's gonna have a holding call. 930 00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 3: And it wasn't that bad. 931 00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 6: Like he had some penalties, it wasn't as bad as 932 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 6: I thought it was going to be. 933 00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,839 Speaker 3: And so I still have. 934 00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,760 Speaker 6: Hope that he's going to be a really good NFL player. 935 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 6: I wonder if it may be on the right side 936 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,480 Speaker 6: versus the left, but I still have hope he's going 937 00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:17,319 Speaker 6: to be really good player. And then when you say 938 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,080 Speaker 6: talk about BB, I think BB, in my opinion, was 939 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:21,800 Speaker 6: every bit what I thought he was going to be, 940 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,280 Speaker 6: which is a really good player. So far as a rookie, 941 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:26,400 Speaker 6: the expectation for him is that now he's going to 942 00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:29,840 Speaker 6: be competing as one of the better centers in the NFL. 943 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,279 Speaker 6: If they keep messing and they might move in the 944 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:33,480 Speaker 6: guard my expectations. If he moved guard, he probably just 945 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 6: as good there. So either way, I think he's gonna 946 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 6: be a really good player real quick. 947 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 8: Just maybe yes or no answer. Were they wrong not 948 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 8: starting Hoffman the whole. 949 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,360 Speaker 3: Year at center and putting BB at guard. 950 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,600 Speaker 8: Or BB being a swing guy or being the guard yeah, 951 00:43:46,640 --> 00:43:47,439 Speaker 8: the backup guy? 952 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 2: Mm hmm, you know, like he could have been. He 953 00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:51,719 Speaker 2: could have been now the role that Hoffman hads. 954 00:43:52,200 --> 00:43:53,880 Speaker 6: I don't know if I think that. I think BB's 955 00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,560 Speaker 6: been fine, like I don't think BB was. I think 956 00:43:56,560 --> 00:43:59,440 Speaker 6: BB has played well, So I think getting him reps 957 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:02,439 Speaker 6: as a rookie and he played well is a great thing. 958 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:03,080 Speaker 3: That's better. 959 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,520 Speaker 6: That's better for me than Hoffman being in there and 960 00:44:05,560 --> 00:44:08,040 Speaker 6: maybe not seeing an appreciable difference between the two. 961 00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 8: It so, I wonder if hapman playing sixteen or seventeen 962 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 8: weeks is a good thing? 963 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 2: Yeah? Is hap been playing five weeks a good thing? 964 00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:15,719 Speaker 9: Yeah? 965 00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:16,359 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. 966 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:17,560 Speaker 3: And wait, what are you getting? 967 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 8: Well? 968 00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 2: He gets broken down? Got like he plays really really well. 969 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 8: He's fresh for five six weeks, and then week seven, 970 00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:27,680 Speaker 8: week eight he starts to get beat up and get war. 971 00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 2: Down and is not as effective. 972 00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 3: Yeah. 973 00:44:29,640 --> 00:44:31,759 Speaker 7: Well, I had to ask him last week. I was like, 974 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 7: this is the first time in your prayer you've been 975 00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:34,160 Speaker 7: able to stack. 976 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:37,319 Speaker 3: Nick's doing his job and that's what he does. 977 00:44:38,280 --> 00:44:44,960 Speaker 7: I pushed my glasses. I asked him last week, you've 978 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,400 Speaker 7: been able to stack games for the first time of 979 00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 7: your career. Do you feel like you've gotten better over 980 00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,320 Speaker 7: the course of these games? And he does feel like 981 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 7: he's playing his best football right now and his body's good. No, No, 982 00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:53,520 Speaker 7: you're right, seventeen games. 983 00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:55,400 Speaker 2: I wonder if you wonder if what he would have 984 00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:58,000 Speaker 2: been at center for seventeen games? Yeah, what do you have? 985 00:44:58,040 --> 00:45:00,160 Speaker 2: Been broken down? You know that kind of thing. 986 00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:02,200 Speaker 3: But I love what they got from BB. 987 00:45:02,320 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 6: I think he's been a really good for them, and 988 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:05,839 Speaker 6: I think that that experience is in value. 989 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:06,359 Speaker 17: Was a rookie. 990 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:07,200 Speaker 2: All right, Thank you guys. 991 00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:08,240 Speaker 3: All right, that was good stuff. 992 00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 2: Brian, I try, I try. 993 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,359 Speaker 8: It took me to week sixteen, but here we are. 994 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 2: All right. 995 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,839 Speaker 3: We appreciate you guys. Tomorrow, tomorrow we dive in. 996 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:19,000 Speaker 6: This is gonna be the gauntless of these three games. 997 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 6: It starts with Tampa Bay Buccaneers. 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