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Speaker 1: Lute force. If it doesn't work, you're just not using enough.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to soft web Radio Special Operations, Military Nails

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Speaker 1: and straight talk with the guys in the community.

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Speaker 2: Hey, welcome, welcome, Welcome to an episode of soft Rep Radio.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, rad and I am super stoked

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Speaker 2: to talk about my next guest. But first, I always

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Speaker 2: want to do something a little different. Usually I shout

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Speaker 2: out the credits after my show, but today I just

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Speaker 2: want to give my producer Anton just the front and center.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bro. I appreciate all you do to help

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Speaker 2: make this go up everywhere, and I just go and

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Speaker 2: tell people, you know, look up softw Rep Radio wherever

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Speaker 2: podcasts are and that's because of you, Brough. So Anton,

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Speaker 2: I want to give you a shout out. So when

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Speaker 2: you listen to this, bro for me, Brandon and everybody here,

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Speaker 2: thank you. And I also want to say thanks to

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Speaker 2: Brandon Webb for always letting me have the mic all right.

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Speaker 2: It's been years and years of working with you and

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Speaker 2: I really appreciate it, and I trust that the guests

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Speaker 2: enjoy having me here as well. So without further ado,

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Speaker 2: I have the one and only Don Man, author Navy

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Speaker 2: Seal former Navy Seal triathlete. I believe athlete. Is there

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Speaker 2: a father figure in there somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Probably he is a father.

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Speaker 2: All of the titles right, And I just want to

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Speaker 2: remind you your everyday neighbor is a father, is a coach,

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Speaker 2: is a possible Navy Seal. It is just a dude

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Speaker 2: next door to you who has a job like you,

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Speaker 2: who is an extreme athlete, who likes to put themselves

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Speaker 2: through Olympics style training, who liked to drownproof themselves. Tell

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Speaker 2: me about that. Don tell me about drownproofing yourself and

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Speaker 2: all the things that you've had to become this person today.

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Speaker 3: Well, Rad, thanks for having me on your show, and

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Speaker 3: it's good to meet you, and thanks for all you do. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, I was very fortunate because when I was

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Speaker 3: a young guy, teenager, I only had one goal and

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Speaker 3: that was to become a professional motocross racer. And that

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Speaker 3: lifestyle it was wild. We were reckless, We did everything wrong,

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Speaker 3: you know. But I trained hard to be a motorcycle racer,

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Speaker 3: which meant I did that instead of anything else they

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Speaker 3: should have been doing. I didn't do sports organized sports.

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Speaker 3: I didn't study, I didn't go to school. I did

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Speaker 3: everything else wrong. But I had this sense of patriotism

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Speaker 3: in me like your father. My father instilled it into

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Speaker 3: us when we were young guys, and my family, you

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Speaker 3: know, a brother and two sisters. He instilled listen to us

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Speaker 3: because when we were attacked, the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor,

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Speaker 3: he and his brothers, his two brothers, and his sister

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Speaker 3: all joined the military. And my grandparents had four stars

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Speaker 3: on their front door. And every time there's a serviceman killed,

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Speaker 3: or people killed in war, or something happened with the military,

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Speaker 3: he'd say a prayer. And so I grew up with

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Speaker 3: this great, great influence from my father. So I knew

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Speaker 3: I had energy. I knew I wanted to do something exciting,

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Speaker 3: maybe not as exciting as motorcycle racing, but hopefully as

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Speaker 3: exciting as that. And I knew I wanted to serve

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Speaker 3: our country. So when I found out about the Navy Seals,

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Speaker 3: it was everything and more that I could have dreamt for.

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Speaker 3: And if I hadn't found it, you know, my life

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Speaker 3: wouldn't be much at all, I'm sure. And I loved

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Speaker 3: finding out what the Seals were like. I liked finding

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Speaker 3: out how hardcore these guys were in the training they did.

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Speaker 3: And when I saw the video of them parachuting and

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Speaker 3: diving and shooting and running on the beach and just

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Speaker 3: doing all these calisthenics and drown proofing like you're saying,

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Speaker 3: I was thinking, there's nothing else in the world I

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Speaker 3: I've never found anything I would rather have done. And

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Speaker 3: I've stayed in the Sealed community since nineteen eighty one

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Speaker 3: till present, and it's for me. I was very, very

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Speaker 2: So you were still wearing like od greens in eighty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, that's right.

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Speaker 2: Is that right? Is that right? That legit stuff right there? Right?

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Speaker 2: I could just see it. Who do you have jungle boots?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Sure, yeah, jungle yeah.

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Speaker 2: Huh oh, that's that's a that's a good look. You know,

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Speaker 2: And you have these reenactors and they're just like, you know,

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Speaker 2: like a Kobe Bryant jersey. You just need the royalties.

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Speaker 3: Well, boy, I might so have some at home. If

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Speaker 2: Oh hey, you know, oh, I would frame it and

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Speaker 2: probably use it. Actually I would use it. I'd wear

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Speaker 2: it some old alice gear or something.

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Speaker 3: Exactly, Yeah, I mean exactly. I still have some of

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Speaker 3: my initial issue just for nostalgic purposes, you know.

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Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's good stuff. And it was just basically

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Speaker 2: everything that all the other enlisted personnel we're getting. You

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Speaker 2: right right, you know. And then so when you were

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Speaker 3: So when I first came in, it was late seventies,

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Speaker 3: marine Corps. So I chose the Marine Corps for the

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Speaker 3: physical fitness aspect of it, and I really really enjoyed

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Speaker 3: being with the Marines. And I was an athlete, and

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Speaker 3: All they did they sent me all over the world

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Speaker 3: one of the happiest days of my life. I finally

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Speaker 3: I visualized how hard it would be to do all

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Speaker 3: and BUDS wasn't easy at all, but every day it

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Speaker 2: No, I love it. I love it. I love the

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Speaker 2: visuals visualization, you know. I also like, if I'm going

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Speaker 2: into meetings, I will have multiple like conversations with myself

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Speaker 2: about what conversations could happen and transpire inside of said

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Speaker 2: meetings before I go in with these people. And then

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Speaker 2: I go in there and it's like, Okay, what are

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Speaker 2: you going a B or C in on me? You know? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Then and they go B and I'm like, oh, I've

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Speaker 2: So here we go and it's like I've already had that,

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Speaker 2: Like like when I go to an audition, for a movie,

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Speaker 2: without your paperwork. You got to just have that. I

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Speaker 3: It's just second time there. It's not you.

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Speaker 2: First is exactly. You know. My wife and I we

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Speaker 2: the terrain park where there's features in like little rails

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Speaker 2: me out. I got to visualize it. As I'm going

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Speaker 2: I came up to it. I hit the pipe first

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Speaker 2: time ever, slid it off and landed it, and I

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Speaker 2: was like, okay, visualization. Yeah, sir, Yeah, a believer. I'm

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Speaker 3: Been the best place in the world for snowboarding.

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Speaker 2: That's right here in Utah. Actually, after this podcast, I'm

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Speaker 3: Good for you, Good for I love you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. We have about five hundred inches still

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Speaker 2: the last week last the season will end in about

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Speaker 3: Of June, and that's when the Great Mountain Bike Riding starts.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and they have that here. You can

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Speaker 2: hard part. Actually, I don't know. Down's pretty brutal too.

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Speaker 2: If you're not ready for that, it's kind of top

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Speaker 2: over dude. Yeah, yeah, it's legit now now with visualization

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Speaker 2: that you're very empowering with your words. You wrote like

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Speaker 2: motivational books and I think even wrote like the United

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Speaker 2: a Navy Seal Elite warriors. There seems to be somebody

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Speaker 2: who's always on a lot of the books with you

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Speaker 2: that I noticed, and his name's Ralph Pazzulo, And I

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Speaker 2: just want to kind of pull that out, you know, like,

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Speaker 2: how does Ralph and you come together? You have the

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Speaker 2: main dawn on there, right, and then you got Ralph

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Speaker 2: on a lot of different books.

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Speaker 3: Yep. So I'm working on book number twenty three rate now.

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Speaker 3: I've we've published twenty two books, and I did about

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Speaker 3: third with my buddy Ralph Pizzulu, and then the other

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Speaker 3: doing writing much much better with us a very good

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Speaker 3: co author, because I don't really enjoy being behind a

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Speaker 3: I liked the process. I just don't like typing it

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Speaker 3: all up, you know. So Ralph. When I met Ralph,

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Speaker 3: what a colorful guy he is. I mean, I called

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Speaker 3: him up, actually call up this person. And his name

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Speaker 3: was Thomas Sawyer, like Tom Sawyer, and he was the

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Speaker 3: together a book sort of like Forrest Gump, because Forrestcump,

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Speaker 3: I had to support our country. I just have it

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Speaker 3: in my heart. I mean, the country's in trouble. You

430
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Speaker 3: got to be there for it. It bothers me now

431
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,160
Speaker 3: a great deal that people don't see that anymore as

432
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Speaker 3: much as they did when I was growing up. You know, people,

433
00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:47,280
Speaker 3: it's well, the recruitment, the recruitment numbers say that out loud.

434
00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:49,879
Speaker 3: We can't get people in the military now. And the

435
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 3: ones we can get in a lot of them aren't

436
00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,080
Speaker 3: physically fit. A lot of them are overweight or not

437
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 3: in shape. And we're failing badly on all the numbers

438
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 3: trying to get into the military. Now, there was a

439
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 3: brief you know, the Marines were doing better than anybody

440
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: at one point. And then when the latest Top Gun

441
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 3: movie came out Maverick, I think it was called that

442
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 3: boosted up the sales. I mean the recruitment numbers of

443
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 3: the Navy. But the army's really low, and recruitment's really low,

444
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: and I you know, the big military says it's because

445
00:24:22,800 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 3: of COVID. I don't believe that. I think it started

446
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 3: with Benghazi on how you know, we had President Trump saying,

447
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 3: you touch one hair on any American's head, all hell

448
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:37,440
Speaker 3: is coming down on you. And our terrorist groups were

449
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: scared to death of Trump, and he had a plan

450
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Speaker 3: a slow withdrawal. We're going to keep and we're going

451
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Speaker 3: to keep the airstrip there, Bargain Airfield. We had air

452
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Speaker 3: support if we needed it. And then Biden made this promise,

453
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Speaker 3: I'm going to end the war, and he did, but

454
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 3: he just pulled everybody out. He gave everybody our weapons

455
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Speaker 3: which are being used against us.

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Speaker 2: Now with that said, I just remember the other day

457
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: General Millie was in front of Congress or whatnot, and

458
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:13,920
Speaker 2: he was being you know, asked about the equipment, right,

459
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 2: and he said that the person on the ground in

460
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 2: charge over there made sure that all American equipment was

461
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,600
Speaker 2: either destroyed or but what they got was the equipment

462
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 2: that was given to, you know, the Afghan Army. So

463
00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:30,960
Speaker 2: that was not it was it may have been American made,

464
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Speaker 2: but it was already Afghan Army equipment. And so that's

465
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Speaker 2: the equipment that they're mostly referencing. I think because Milly

466
00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 2: just came out the other day and talked about that

467
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Speaker 2: in a deposition, and then also to give a little

468
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: bit of a benefit to, you know, to Biden, the

469
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Speaker 2: president Biden is Donald Trump did sign the agreement like

470
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Speaker 2: December twenty second of pulling out of Afghanistan and even

471
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Speaker 2: invited the Taliban to like Camp David and too like

472
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Speaker 2: the White House, right, like holy cal Like I don't

473
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: know what that was thought process, right, but to kind

474
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Speaker 2: of just put it in perspective, I get it one

475
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Speaker 2: hundred percent. You know, I had friends who were like

476
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Speaker 2: going over there to try to get friends out of there,

477
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 2: you know, and things like that. It was I think

478
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Speaker 2: that was more of of the blender that was happening.

479
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,520
Speaker 2: Is like, what about our allies that were like, you know,

480
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Speaker 2: translators and people that helped us, that were promised that

481
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Speaker 2: they'd be taken care of. Where are those promises being

482
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Speaker 2: kept for them? Right? And I think I just have

483
00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: to I just want to put it in perspective because

484
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: it takes two to party at this situation. And I

485
00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:42,439
Speaker 2: know that Trump was out going out from the election,

486
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Speaker 2: and he signed that in December to say we're out if.

487
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Speaker 3: You recall yep, and he had a timeline and the

488
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,560
Speaker 3: timeline was working. We didn't lose one person. We didn't

489
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Speaker 3: lose a person, right, And then you know, now the interpreters,

490
00:26:56,320 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 3: translators who helped us that we left back there, we're

491
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 3: getting reports they're going door to door finding these guys

492
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,200
Speaker 3: and ladies and cutting out their tongues. I mean, you

493
00:27:07,560 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: don't hear that on our news, but that they they don't.

494
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: We we have short memory span here in the US,

495
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 3: but they don't. They don't. Those people helped the enemy,

496
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,239
Speaker 3: they helped the Infidel, and they were left behind. They

497
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:25,119
Speaker 3: don't protection anymore. They're going door to door slicing up

498
00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 3: their tongues.

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Speaker 2: And they just came out saying that they're going to

500
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Speaker 2: stone women, you know. And the Taliban Cambat came back

501
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 2: out and said, you know this is going to happen.

502
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 2: You're going to understand that and this, that and the other.

503
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,199
Speaker 2: You better obey all the laws that they want in

504
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 2: place over there. It's it's it's it's so cowboy, you know,

505
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 2: it's so wild West over there. You know, it's it's

506
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,640
Speaker 2: there's no real You got one faction that doesn't even

507
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: recognize the word Afghanistan and they live there. You got

508
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: another faction that recognizes the word Afghanistan because it's a

509
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 2: word that they understand. And you've got all these different

510
00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 2: you know, tribes and people who don't even they just

511
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: want to heard their animals and like live their life

512
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Speaker 2: in this rough land.

513
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Speaker 3: You know that's true, because that's how I see it

514
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 3: in all those countries everywhere, Hamas, Israel, Russia, Yemen, Somalia,

515
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,800
Speaker 3: you know, Ukraine. Kids, the kids they're just innocent. The

516
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,879
Speaker 3: mothers really just want to take care of them. However,

517
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 3: the enemy. And I've heard this from the guy who

518
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:31,960
Speaker 3: personally cut off Daniel Pearl's head, and he's also the

519
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 3: guy who worked with Bin Laden and bombed us on

520
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: nine to eleven.

521
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Speaker 2: Okay, he's the New York Times reporter that you're talking

522
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: about or the Washington Post. Right, Daniel Pearl, yes, right?

523
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Speaker 2: Who was.

524
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Speaker 3: So Khalid Sheikh Muhammad we call it kasm. He was

525
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 3: captured and he admitted to you know, destroying the buildings

526
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Speaker 3: and hitting us on nine to eleven Kosm. We had

527
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Speaker 3: him in captivity and and the doctor who was interviewing him,

528
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,719
Speaker 3: and this I'm not giving away a secret right now

529
00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,640
Speaker 3: because this is all open source now. And the doctor's

530
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: a very good friend of mine. And he was interviewing

531
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Speaker 3: him and he was saying, so why women and children

532
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Speaker 3: they're innocent? That how could you you hit us at

533
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,640
Speaker 3: nine to eleven? Kill three thousand people. I mean, don't

534
00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 3: you feel a lot of those people were Muslims. Don't

535
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: you feel bad about killing the Muslims? KSM smiled. He said, no, no,

536
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: if we can kill many Infidel and some Muslims get

537
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Speaker 3: killed along the way, that's okay with us. That's okay

538
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:37,160
Speaker 3: with Allah, That's okay with us. And then the doctor

539
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 3: I won't say his name, but he's a very best

540
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 3: human being you could imagine, you know, a patriot. You know,

541
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 3: they call him the torture doctor on the left. But

542
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 3: he stopped we think the agency feels he stopped two

543
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 3: hundred lives from being lost from interviews and interrogations. He's

544
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 3: done with KSM alone. So KSM like smiled. And then

545
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,160
Speaker 3: he said. The doctor said, well, what about the women

546
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 3: you're killing? I mean, these are young girls and women.

547
00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 3: KSM smile. He goes, no, no, they support the Infidel.

548
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 3: We kill them early. They don't support the Infidel. So

549
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: what about all these little kids, boys and girls running

550
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 3: around so they grew up. They either support the Infidel

551
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: or they're the Infidel who's our enemy. We kill them too.

552
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 3: And he smiled. And then the subject turned about assassinations

553
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 3: and beheading people and then KSM said, it was like

554
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: when I killed Daniel Pearl and everyone, and this is

555
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 3: before we knew who killed them. Everyone looked at him, like,

556
00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 3: you killed Daniel Pearl. He said, oh yeah. So the

557
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: doctor runs over to the computer writes back to DC headquarters,

558
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 3: said KSM just submitted to killing Daniel Pearl. They said, well,

559
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 3: ask him how he did it, because we have some

560
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,880
Speaker 3: photos of just his arm and everything. Have him do

561
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 3: that movement, the movement as if we had the knife,

562
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 3: and they sent the pictures back. And then the doctor said,

563
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: was it hard to kill him and kiss him? Smile

564
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 3: his no, no, no, I cut through the arteries. It

565
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 3: was messy when I cut those voice boxes, scream and started.

566
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 3: It was only hard getting through his spine. And he said, oh,

567
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 3: you can't even tell if he is joking or if

568
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 3: he's a play on words. Was it hard to do it?

569
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 3: So that's the enemy, And that's the enemy who's going

570
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 3: around going door to door cutting the tongues out of people.

571
00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 3: But that's also the enemy that promised Trump we won't

572
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: touch a hair, and anybody said, as we know, all

573
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: hell will come down on us because of what you

574
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 3: just told us. They were scared to death with Biden.

575
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 3: They know there's you know, it's the words mean nothing.

576
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 3: And when that day happened, I believe that's what happened

577
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 3: with our recruiting efforts. When people saw that the military

578
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: just just being left left there and being killed, thirteen

579
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 3: of them, I think it was that day they were

580
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: killed and then leaving all the people who supported us.

581
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,080
Speaker 3: We've never done that to anybody before. We We've always

582
00:32:08,120 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: had to leave no man behind. And we that just

583
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 3: just for a political promise, that deal, that that promise

584
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 3: was broken. To anybody who's worked with the American troops

585
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 3: or were American troops. We just got on the planes

586
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 3: and left out of there. And the billions of dollars

587
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 3: we left no those those those have been fined in

588
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 3: swap meets all over the Middle East selling to the enemy.

589
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 2: And I would imagine there's I would imagine, you know,

590
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 2: it's there was a twenty some year war in Afghanistan

591
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: where you know, it was back and forth. So I

592
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: bet a lot of equipment does show up on you know,

593
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: that black one.

594
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the new equipment we just purchased for him.

595
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 3: And if they when they added it all up everything,

596
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: the air support, everything that we gave them. It would

597
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 3: have been the sixth largest military in the world. They

598
00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 3: could have formed with it that we gave to him.

599
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 2: Well, do you mean like the talent that the that

600
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: the Northern Alliance and that the Afghan Army already was

601
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: given already, Right, That's what I'm talking about.

602
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: Was we just left a lot of a brand new stone.

603
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: Well, Bargram Air Base was Russian. Right, it wasn't even

604
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: an American base. It was a Russian base. Right, we

605
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: had control of Bargain. I've been there many times. Right, No,

606
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 2: and I'm not doubting that, but I'm saying that in

607
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:26,880
Speaker 2: in in monopoly world, it was Russian and the Americans

608
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: took it over to mobilize. So it's not like we

609
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 2: invested in that tarmac kind of you know, but not really.

610
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,280
Speaker 2: It was already a building that it was already some

611
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: structures where there was like Russian building still, right.

612
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was old, but it was a we had

613
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: air base in the Middle East. Yeah, big money for

614
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 3: they allowed us. They they they were happy, they didn't

615
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 3: mind that we were there. We had our air support,

616
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: so we could we could have overhead support for any

617
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 3: of the troops on the ground, and that was those

618
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 3: people were pulled out before the troops on the ground

619
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 3: were pulled out. And that was a big military mistake.

620
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 2: And Mili, it was just a lot, It was just

621
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 2: a lot. It was just a mistake to even agree

622
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: to pull out, you know in the beginning. You know,

623
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if former President Trump wants to

624
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 2: you know, sign agreements, because he's literally he has to

625
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 2: give the playbook to the new guy, and he wouldn't

626
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: even do that. So he's still drafting plays in the

627
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 2: playbook that we're supposed to go to the new guy.

628
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: But the new guy couldn't even get the playbook. So

629
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 2: it's like he's just signing away stuff and just leaving

630
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 2: it in this mess, which he even is recorded saying,

631
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: I want to leave as much as I can for

632
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:45,799
Speaker 2: Biden to deal with.

633
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, he did say that, But it wasn't like a

634
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: playbook do D Department of Defense. Yeah, yeah, I had

635
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 3: the playbook, and you know, I know, Biden turned everything

636
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: around that Trump put. He turned all all around the border,

637
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: everything he stopped and reversed course, but for the DoD,

638
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,640
Speaker 3: for the military. When he tried to reverse course there

639
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,920
Speaker 3: you have four stars and three stars fighting it. But

640
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:16,879
Speaker 3: they are still like correct what you just said. They

641
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 3: are like the commander in charge Biden can say stop,

642
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 3: go a different direction. But the d D put together

643
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 3: the playboar if they had it all right.

644
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Speaker 2: And there was a general I interviewed once and he

645
00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 2: was transitioning George Bush to Barack Obama. And he was

646
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:38,799
Speaker 2: in the middle of the two different you know, one

647
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 2: Republican side, one Democrat. But he was the general that

648
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 2: was transitioning and he said, you know, it was really

649
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 2: like they wrote everything out like these are the most

650
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 2: thirty important topics that the president needs to have in

651
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 2: his lap, right, And he was the guy that was

652
00:35:51,239 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: giving that to Barack Obama. And I said, how did

653
00:35:54,280 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: you manage that transition from Bush? He's like, well, we

654
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 2: already knew that Bush wasn't going to be president, so

655
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: we had this document, this playbook kind of thing put together,

656
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 2: and then I had to get that to the new

657
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 2: administration so they knew these are what is super important, sir.

658
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,280
Speaker 2: And I said, how did you maintain the sir aspect

659
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 2: of transitioning? He said, rad when we sit down as

660
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: the military at the Pentagon, it says US Marines, US Army,

661
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 2: US Navy, US Air Force. So we understand what we're

662
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: in it for. We're not in it for that, you know,

663
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: politician style rhetoric. Whatever. So he was like because he

664
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 2: transitioned from one to the other and stayed in a

665
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: position and continued on and was very successful three star general.

666
00:36:38,600 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 2: And you know, I just that's what I thought would

667
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: have been. Also, that's kind of what should have happened, right,

668
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: it should have been this transition like these are really important.

669
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:51,040
Speaker 2: You should focus on this. Congratulations on the job. But

670
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 2: it was very much back and forth. We've lived through

671
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 2: what's still ongoing with that former administration.

672
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 3: It is, and you know, and I don't want to

673
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: just pick on one president over the other, but I

674
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: can't say, you know, we've been together as a country

675
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 3: for over two hundred and fifty years, right, I mean,

676
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 3: I would say the first two hundred years we were

677
00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 3: doing pretty well. But Republican and Democrat go back and forth,

678
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 3: back and forth, doesn't matter. You know, my favorite, the

679
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 3: president I look up to the most since I've been alive,

680
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 3: is Ronald Reagan. But regardless of that, Republican Democrat, Reagan,

681
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 3: Carter Clinton, Obama, Bush, Bush, whoever you pick. Since Vietnam,

682
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 3: I'm very, very disappointed and these big policy blenders we've

683
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 3: been making because we talked about Vietnam early on. You know,

684
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,200
Speaker 3: we lost fIF over fifty eight thousand people in ten years,

685
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 3: we walk out and we lose the war, like, oh,

686
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 3: I guess we made a mistake there. But then you know,

687
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 3: we've done it since then numerous times we didn't have

688
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: understand We did it in Iraq. Now we've been putting

689
00:38:03,360 --> 00:38:06,319
Speaker 3: all this money in Ukraine and another bill was just

690
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 3: passed and now we're going to keep that war going.

691
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: They are just getting slaughtered.

692
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 2: But do you think.

693
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:18,760
Speaker 3: They've lost the war? They've lost months ago and there's

694
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 3: no way they can win it. The Russians have all

695
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 3: this equipment and AMMO and artillery that they're producing twenty

696
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 3: four hours around the clock. They have a five to

697
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 3: one ratio of people waiting to go to war. They're

698
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 3: having people going men forties and fifties year old paying

699
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 3: for their own cardiac care or their own prosthetic care

700
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 3: so they can go back and fight the war. The

701
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 3: level of patriotism is sky high and.

702
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,399
Speaker 2: The same Let me let me ask you something, since

703
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: they just got their relief aid passed through, right, it

704
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,919
Speaker 2: just went through. But for like the last six months

705
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,959
Speaker 2: when it was supposed to really matter, it was being

706
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,279
Speaker 2: blocked in. You know, these politicians were blocking it for

707
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: whatever reasons. They were just damming up the process of

708
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: getting this money to aid Ukraine. But yet here it is,

709
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 2: they gave the money to aid Ukraine. So why didn't

710
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 2: they just give it in the first place, because they

711
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: waited six.

712
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 3: Months, yeah, and got nothing out of it, nothing politicized.

713
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 3: But the sixty one billion that's going to Ukraine, the

714
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 3: estimates are a third to two thirds won't make it there.

715
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 3: It'll make it to Lockheed, you know, general you know,

716
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: maythe on the big companies here, so a lot of

717
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: them go to produce weapons here and go right back

718
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 3: into our you know, money cycle here. And then when

719
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 3: it gets to Ukraine, which is the most corrupted country

720
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: in Europe, everybody knows that it really doesn't make it

721
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 3: out to the troops at all. And then speaking of

722
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 3: the troops, those that battlefront there, if you call it

723
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 3: a battle line anymore, it is so broken up and

724
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 3: that they can't get me to fight anymore. So they

725
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 3: just passed the loss so they can go throughout Europe

726
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: trying to find the Ukrainians who left the country, and

727
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 3: then dragging him back to Ukraine and said, you've got

728
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: to fight for our country. They're putting battalions of women

729
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 3: up front now because they don't have the men, and

730
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: Russia is just long lines of people wanting to go.

731
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:22,640
Speaker 2: I just this is I don't doubt that there's women fighting,

732
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 2: and I don't doubt that. And I just talked to

733
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: a gentleman who was in the trenches and he was

734
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 2: taking you know, story and article documentation for like Esquire magazine,

735
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: and he's a former marine recon and he's you know,

736
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:41,240
Speaker 2: probably in his thirties forties now, but he was talking

737
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: to the twenty year old saying, hey, how'd you get

738
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 2: your discipline? How did you how did you learn how

739
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,000
Speaker 2: to hold your weapon? You know, because he says, like

740
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 2: the fifty year old guy learned old Russian tactics. Now

741
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:52,719
Speaker 2: he's the older guy that's fighting in this Ukrainian Russian war,

742
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 2: but he wanted to know about these younger kids that

743
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: are in there, you know, with this capability. And he

744
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: watched this kid, he said he was just slip in

745
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 2: his rifle correctly. He just had his hand away. He

746
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 2: was holding it and he's like, how'd you learn that?

747
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, I don't know. He's like, no,

748
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 2: there's got to be more to it. How He's like

749
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 2: video games. He's like, I played a little video games.

750
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 2: He's like no. He's like, do you play war games

751
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: with airsoft guns? He's like yes. So before the war,

752
00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 2: before twenty twelve and like twenty sixteen, all these timeframes,

753
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 2: you know, they weren't really at war, so they were

754
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: playing airsoft all the time. And so all these young

755
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: kids had all this like you know, games on the

756
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 2: weekend that they were playing. And so here he is

757
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,239
Speaker 2: now taking whatever training that that helped instill in him,

758
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,280
Speaker 2: and he's in the trenches and he's getting a story

759
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: written about him, and that's in the story, you know.

760
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 2: And so I know they're fighting, they don't seem like

761
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 2: they think they're losing. Maybe that's just a morale boost,

762
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 2: you know. Maybe what the Ukrainian fighter is feeling is like,

763
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,959
Speaker 2: you know, from what I've talked to, is a sense

764
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 2: of pride about what they're standing up for. And maybe

765
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: they're not getting the full scoop from the trenches. You know,

766
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 2: maybe they're just like, this is what we're here for.

767
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: I'm here because my budd's fighting and his buddy's fighting,

768
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 2: and we're fighting together in these trenches, right because you know,

769
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 2: they just think they're doing the right thing for their country.

770
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: The other guy thinks he's doing the right thing for

771
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 2: his country. These ground level infantrymen who are just being

772
00:42:16,080 --> 00:42:18,839
Speaker 2: ordered to go to battle are just feeling like, this

773
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: is what I'm supposed to do. It's these high top

774
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 2: puppet masters up here right. Metallica writes songs about you know,

775
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 2: it's the puppet masters that are are the problem, Like

776
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 2: that's what it is.

777
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if you if anyone goes and looks

778
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 3: at the numbers, then I mean the Ukrainians they have.

779
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: The numbers are up over six hundred thousand who have

780
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: been killed and wounded right now we're talk Vietnam fifty

781
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,360
Speaker 3: eight thousand. They've lost ten times out over ten times

782
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 3: that the Russians can again five to one ratio as

783
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 3: far as fighters they have, plus the developing their own

784
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 3: amor and they have a long line of people who

785
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: want to fight. Ukrainians can't get people to fight anymore.

786
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 3: So many of them are wounded. It's hard to find

787
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 3: men in Ukraine anymore. Now Kiv is doing fine. Selensky

788
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 3: was so happy he got his money. But that the experts.

789
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 3: When you hear except for General Jack Keene, but when

790
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:29,640
Speaker 3: you hear other leaders in the world, world historians, other generals,

791
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: leaders from around the world, they all say the same thing.

792
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 3: Ukraine lost a long time ago, and that's sixty one

793
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,359
Speaker 3: billion dollars. Whatever gets to the fighters after it goes

794
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 3: to this corrupt country and they hand out some to

795
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 3: some of the military and some to Selenski and some

796
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: to ray theon the money gets divided up. They don't

797
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 3: know what that money's going to do at all. They

798
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 3: don't have anything they can put it toward that's going

799
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,880
Speaker 3: to help other than more and more Ukrainians are going

800
00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,080
Speaker 3: to be slaughtered and killed.

801
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 2: Ask you who's who's more corrupt in this situation, Russia

802
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: or Ukraine.

803
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 3: They say, Russia is the second most corrupt country in

804
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: Europe after Ukraine. Yeah, oh yeah, it is.

805
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 2: Really. I didn't I never I have not heard that.

806
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 2: I mean I maybe heard it in like I don't know,

807
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 2: maybe I never paid attention to you know, uh it

808
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: But I've talked to so many folks. I never I

809
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: don't they don't put it in perspective. This is the

810
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 2: first time I've heard this.

811
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:28,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Ukraine's always been known to be the most

812
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 3: corrupt country there. But the thing is that was.

813
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,439
Speaker 2: The bread basket of the world as what yeah, oh.

814
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that it is and in Russia too, but Ukraine

815
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: probably more so. But the thing with Ukraine is when

816
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 3: they were attacked by Russia, all of us were in

817
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 3: support of Ukraine. I mean, in Russia do this up

818
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:54,879
Speaker 3: until alternative news got bigger and bigger, the networks that

819
00:44:55,040 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 3: aren't protected and guardrailed against being able to say other

820
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 3: sources of news coming in. And that's why the rest

821
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: of the world is questioning what we've been hearing all

822
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 3: these years. So, you know, twenty fourteen, of course, that's

823
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: when the war really started there. Okay, here's an example.

824
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 3: If somebody said to President Biden, Hey, President Biden, we're

825
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 3: just going to put fifty thousand folks on your Mexican border.

826
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 3: You don't mind, do you? Russian troops? It's no way

827
00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,280
Speaker 3: we would allow that. We did not allow. That happened

828
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,240
Speaker 3: during Cuban missile crisis. You know sixty three. You can't

829
00:45:34,280 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 3: have the enemy's troops on your border. So when the

830
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 3: Soviet Union broke apart in nineteen ninety one, State Department,

831
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 3: your State Department shook hands with was which was once

832
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 3: the Soviet Union. Now all those countries dismantled. Now all

833
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 3: that's left is Russia. And they said, I'll tell you

834
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:57,279
Speaker 3: why you let us put Germany back together. Let's tear

835
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:00,920
Speaker 3: it down that wall. Well, reunite Germany and all those

836
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 3: fourteen fifteen countries that make up the Soviet Union that

837
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,799
Speaker 3: are no longer Soviet Union. We won't try to get

838
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: them into NATO. We won't come one inch closer to

839
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 3: your border. Well, we've lied, We've taken fourteen of those countries,

840
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 3: made fourteen of them NATO. So Pultan, who's run the

841
00:46:17,800 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 3: country for twenty five years now, he's just saying, you

842
00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: can't keep doing that. You can't keep doing it. But

843
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: no matter what, you're not taking Ukraine that's got that

844
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,839
Speaker 3: thousand mile border, whatever it is, you're not coming on

845
00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:33,719
Speaker 3: my border. And we went on the fast track trying

846
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 3: to get Ukraine into NATO.

847
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:43,480
Speaker 2: And we have the Nucular Profilation Agreement. Though was the

848
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,799
Speaker 2: Ukraine dissolves its nuclear arms which it had, and it

849
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 2: would be recognized as its sovereign country by Russia. Was it.

850
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did turn into nuclear weapons, right. I don't

851
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 3: know if that's a bad thing or a good thing

852
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,040
Speaker 3: in the long run, but.

853
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: Well, they wanted to be a sovereign nation, you know.

854
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: I mean, look at Zelensky. He was an actor like Reagan.

855
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,760
Speaker 2: You like Reagan and Zelensky. Look, Zelensky was also an actor,

856
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 2: and he was just thrust it into a green sweater

857
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 2: combat wearing we.

858
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 3: Can do we we the US. We needed a guy

859
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 3: who would be yes, we'll do whatever you want. We

860
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,120
Speaker 3: needed a yes man in there. Selensky he very very

861
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 3: popular guy.

862
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that we're not involved in putting other

863
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 2: interim governments in You know, my father was a Green

864
00:47:32,200 --> 00:47:39,160
Speaker 2: Beret and they are mobile politicians. Okay, so I'm not

865
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: against those ideas. I just am saying this is what

866
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: i've You know, you've you've probably heard what I'm saying.

867
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,879
Speaker 3: Oh sure, sure, And and you know when Selensky came

868
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 3: in to tell you the truth when we when Russia

869
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 3: invaded Ukraine, Yeah, okay.

870
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,720
Speaker 2: Shut down the airliner, right, They shot down the civilian airliner.

871
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 3: True, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. They did some horrific things.

872
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 3: But when Selensky came in and he was attacked by Putin,

873
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 3: the world was all forced Selensky. The world was all formed,

874
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: like we got to run to his aid. And I

875
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 3: say the world, I mean mainly US and NATO, okay,

876
00:48:17,200 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: European Unions, nations. Uh so yeah, we all back in

877
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 3: the one. And then you know, then the corruption and

878
00:48:27,239 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 3: all the issue that starts emerging a little bit. We

879
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: all knew way before that it was the most corrupt

880
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 3: country in Europe. Some people say the world. I heard

881
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,800
Speaker 3: it compared to Mexico. I didn't know Mexico was that corrupt,

882
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: but I heard it recently that it's as corrupt or

883
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: more corrupt than Mexico. But anyways, regardless, countries are corrupt,

884
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 3: and they can say we're corrupt too.

885
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: Right yeah, right, right right, I mean, but.

886
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 3: Anyways, when Selensky came in, uh, he came in to

887
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 3: try to end corruption. That was part of his campaign,

888
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,840
Speaker 3: I will end the corruption here. And when he didn't,

889
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 3: people start going against him a bit, you know, a bit.

890
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 3: But right now Putin the world is back in putin

891
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: right now on this because he's not attacking civilian populations

892
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 3: kind of like Israel's doing in Hamas. He's not doing that.

893
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:23,399
Speaker 3: He's saying, Hey, I told you guys for years, you

894
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 3: can't bring NATO forces into Ukraine. You can't be on

895
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 3: my doorstep. Keep Ukraine neutral. That's all I'm asking.

896
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,240
Speaker 2: But who's he to say that? He's not the emperor,

897
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:36,759
Speaker 2: he's not that, he doesn't run the empire. He's just

898
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: a little man with a complex. Who's he to say?

899
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: Who is he to say that, don't come into the

900
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 2: Ukraine when it's not even his.

901
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 3: Well, if you turn it and look at Canada or

902
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 3: the Mexican border, yea, and China's going to go on

903
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 3: both borders. We would do our best to stop that too.

904
00:49:58,560 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 3: And if he was going to go on the border,

905
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 3: even though we don't say you, but we would not run.

906
00:50:04,640 --> 00:50:07,280
Speaker 2: But it's not it's it's not like okay, so true, true,

907
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 2: true kay. Us would not like that. Okay, However, that

908
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 2: has to be like Mexico doing that, right, because Russia

909
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:17,960
Speaker 2: would it have to be like Mexico coming to take

910
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:18,560
Speaker 2: Utah back.

911
00:50:20,280 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 3: Well, if Mexico sided with Russia or Mexico, which we which.

912
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: We took from Mexico, and so Mexico's could now Mexico's

913
00:50:27,160 --> 00:50:29,960
Speaker 2: president can say he's the emperor and he wants his

914
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 2: empire back in that regard.

915
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 3: And if we allowed that, we could be without a country.

916
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 2: And then I would be an insurgent. I mean, that's

917
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:40,960
Speaker 2: what I would be called.

918
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:43,239
Speaker 3: But that's because that's how the whole world has been

919
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:47,600
Speaker 3: working since one tell you it works, fire truck, bro.

920
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:50,640
Speaker 2: I'm just I want I just want a snowboard and

921
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,520
Speaker 2: hang out and surf and just like you know, know

922
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 2: that I am ready to box.

923
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:02,400
Speaker 3: You know, right, I I I am definitely not like

924
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 3: what you might think. I mean, my heart breaks for

925
00:51:05,719 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: the American Native Indians still what we did to them.

926
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 3: I mean it really really does. I mean when I

927
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 3: see what we did to them, it breaks my heart.

928
00:51:13,920 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 3: It was so wrong. And every aspect of the world, yes,

929
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 3: and but you know, and it's it's to me, our biggest,

930
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 3: biggest error we've ever made is people as Americans. You know,

931
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 3: what became Americans is what we did to Native Americans.

932
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: But then again, every country, every border of every country's

933
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: man made. And this is how this is how it's

934
00:51:38,719 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 3: all done. It's not to say it's.

935
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 2: Right right, otherwise Russia wuld go right back to Mongolia.

936
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, Russia, Russia right now, all this saying we've

937
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,600
Speaker 3: we've ripped up the peace deal that Putin's been trying

938
00:51:51,640 --> 00:51:55,400
Speaker 3: to have us sign. He wants peace with us, and

939
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 3: we keep saying, nope, We're going to let these Ukrainians die.

940
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 3: We're going to put them on the front lines because

941
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: Americans don't really care if Ukrainians die. Nobody really cares.

942
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: You don't see anybody anybody saying all these poor Ukrainians dying,

943
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 3: You don't. And six hundred thousand of them have died

944
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,200
Speaker 3: because we keep pouring this money in Ukraine. So Ukraine

945
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: will weaken our enemy is the reasonable, well.

946
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 2: And someone who's a Seal advanced trainer and understands what

947
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,439
Speaker 2: these young men which are who coming through, these twenty

948
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,880
Speaker 2: year old, thirty year old guys are going off to

949
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 2: do more than anyone is what you know, right, And

950
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 2: so you know we have the number one military, the

951
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 2: number one you know, special operations community in the world,

952
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 2: hands down and that and these young men, you've looked

953
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:48,319
Speaker 2: them in the eyes, they've crossed your path on their

954
00:52:48,320 --> 00:52:52,360
Speaker 2: way out to other destinations that you know they're just

955
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: going to be asked to go and take care of.

956
00:52:54,640 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 2: And and for you to have been so involved in

957
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 2: that Rubik's Cube of naval special warfare for so many years,

958
00:53:03,320 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 2: it's just such a great honor to have a back

959
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: and forth conversation with you where we can show others

960
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 2: that you don't have to know each other to have

961
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 2: a candid, casual, respectful conversation with one another. We can

962
00:53:18,640 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 2: still break bread, we can still have conversations. We don't

963
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 2: have to beat each other's throats. You don't have to

964
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:26,040
Speaker 2: waive a flag. You have to wave one flag, and

965
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: that's just the American flag, okay. And and you know,

966
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:31,520
Speaker 2: you don't have to tell anybody who you want to

967
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:34,360
Speaker 2: vote for. You can just go vote and you should.

968
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:36,479
Speaker 2: And I just encourage that. And I also encourage people

969
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 2: just go to the recruiter and talk to one and

970
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,520
Speaker 2: see if they can step into a career in the military,

971
00:53:41,560 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 2: because you know, the seals, like the Green Berets are

972
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 2: one for every hundred will make it, you know, so

973
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 2: if they don't, you still need to be there to

974
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 2: support them because they're badass and they need that. So

975
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 2: I think you're a badass and I just want to

976
00:53:57,239 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 2: say that to you. Don like just like that, dude.

977
00:54:00,800 --> 00:54:03,000
Speaker 3: You know, I appreciate that. Rad thank you, and I

978
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 3: really appreciate all you do as well. But you know,

979
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 3: I like what RFK Junior said. And he was talked to,

980
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,360
Speaker 3: he was asking he was being asked the same issue.

981
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 3: He just brought up, like, it's great when people can talk.

982
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,879
Speaker 3: It's great, like people have different opinions, can talk. And

983
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:22,560
Speaker 3: because this culture we have now is, oh, don't bring

984
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 3: up politics, don't talk about something going your safe zone

985
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,480
Speaker 3: if it's going to bother you or something. I mean,

986
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 3: it's kind of a strange thing. And RFK Jr. Was

987
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 3: asked that and I loved his answer, and he said, well, listen,

988
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,240
Speaker 3: I've got one hundred and fifteen people in my family

989
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,520
Speaker 3: and a lot of my relatives are strongly, strongly opposed

990
00:54:41,560 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 3: my views, my political views, and some of them oppose

991
00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,640
Speaker 3: it so much they go on the network on TV

992
00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:51,440
Speaker 3: channels and they bad mouthed me. But my uncle and

993
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: my father RFK and John FK John F. Kennedy, they

994
00:54:56,200 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 3: always told us when you can't talk and you stop talk,

995
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: and that's worse, learn to talk to one another. Just

996
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,080
Speaker 3: learn to talk to one another at Thanksgiving. We have

997
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:09,960
Speaker 3: different views from different sides of the table, but we

998
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 3: can all talk about it. And I just like, I

999
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: just wish we were a long ways from that in

1000
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: this country as we know.

1001
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,200
Speaker 2: Well, hopefully we could bring it full circle. Hopefully it's

1002
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 2: our conversation right now. That is the missing puzzle piece

1003
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 2: to everything. Just to be copasetic and kumbayab. But if

1004
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,800
Speaker 2: it's not, you know, I'm okay with being up trained,

1005
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:34,440
Speaker 2: you know, whether it's taking boxing classes or learning how

1006
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: to be a better marksman with my rifle or whatever

1007
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 2: the case is, better to be uptrained so I don't

1008
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,279
Speaker 2: have to use it. To be humble about.

1009
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 3: It, yeah yeah, you know, and not to sound like

1010
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:49,040
Speaker 3: some radical craze not thinking the world's going to end,

1011
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: because I'm not that. But I do strongly feel you know,

1012
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 3: we did drop the bomb twice, you know, and we

1013
00:55:56,880 --> 00:55:58,840
Speaker 3: ended the war in Japan, and maybe it saved a

1014
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 3: lot of lives. The thinking right now, but right now

1015
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:06,520
Speaker 3: we have nine countries with nuclear weapons, ten thousand nuclear

1016
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:09,480
Speaker 3: weapons now in this world, all pointing toward one another.

1017
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 3: We have a bunch of those NATO that used to

1018
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:16,800
Speaker 3: be the part of the Union European Union, and now

1019
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,799
Speaker 3: we have them there, and we also have them in

1020
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 3: the former war pack countries, and we have them facing Russia,

1021
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:27,920
Speaker 3: they have them facing us, and everybody's on edge. Everybody's

1022
00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:32,360
Speaker 3: on edge. And so to your point, I think this

1023
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 3: is the time to talk more because in the big picture,

1024
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:39,880
Speaker 3: this is the most dangerous day in the history of

1025
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: the world, and tomorrow is going to be more dangerous.

1026
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 3: And the people who are at those levels and who

1027
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:49,680
Speaker 3: have they're in position to talk to their counters and

1028
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,919
Speaker 3: other countries and even in our own country, different sides

1029
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 3: of the aisle. It's the time to do it more

1030
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 3: now than ever before, because we are who you know,

1031
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,399
Speaker 3: israel I ran one fatal mistake there.

1032
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: You know it already is it's already, It confuses lit.

1033
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 3: It is, it's and it's slid all over the world.

1034
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:14,400
Speaker 3: North Korea can't wait to jump in. Iran trying to

1035
00:57:14,440 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 3: stay out of the war because they have too much lose.

1036
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:20,480
Speaker 3: Russia doesn't want that war either. They Russia, China and

1037
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 3: Iran have too much to lose if they regional war

1038
00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 3: because there's money to be made with the oil and

1039
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:28,680
Speaker 3: everybody needs the oil regardless.

1040
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: Of and they have the most. They have one of

1041
00:57:29,840 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: the biggest oil reserves in the world in Iran.

1042
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,959
Speaker 3: To us, which we don't touch.

1043
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't even know. I don't even

1044
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,800
Speaker 2: want that conversation.

1045
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm with you, I'm with you.

1046
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: I just got to drive to work, that's all I know.

1047
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 2: I am an American, that's all I got to say. Okay,

1048
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: and I'm happy to be that here.

1049
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 3: Enjoy in life and snowboarding and living in the Peak

1050
00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 3: country and you and you could tell just by your

1051
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 3: words how much you love it and respect it. And

1052
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 3: then you're good American because you appreciate everything we have here.

1053
00:58:05,200 --> 00:58:08,200
Speaker 2: Every single thing, including you and all of those that

1054
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: you've helped, like I said, Rubik's Cube over your career

1055
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 2: to go off and do these things, you know, the

1056
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,840
Speaker 2: Brandon webs and the and the Latrell's and the Kyle's

1057
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Speaker 2: and everybody's learned about and all of the fame and

1058
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Speaker 2: you know, these guys going off and given their all. Yeah,

1059
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Speaker 2: you know. So, I just want to say so much

1060
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Speaker 2: thank you for being back on Soft Reap Radio. You're

1061
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Speaker 2: Navy Seal Survival Handbook for those that want to learn

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Speaker 2: how to survive like an elite warrior. To your co

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Speaker 2: author Ralph, you know your triathlete, combat motivated veteran, that's airborne, scuba,

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Speaker 2: quald and the whole nine yard. And you've been a great,

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Speaker 2: great guest on the show today, So thank you for

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Speaker 2: being here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, rad and thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 3: I look forward to the next time.

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Speaker 2: Well, with that said, on behalf of Brandon Web and

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Speaker 2: the whole crew that rows the boat here at soft

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Speaker 2: Rep Mafia, I want to say thank you. Go check

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Speaker 2: out our merch store that's full of all sorts of

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Speaker 2: branded goods and items that we love that you purchase

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Speaker 2: and tag us in on the internet. And also our

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Speaker 2: book club. Go check out the book club. We'll try

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Speaker 2: to get Don's books in there. And again on behalf

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Speaker 2: of down Man and myself, Rad I say peace.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to surf Rep Radia