WEBVTT - Becoming Radicalized 0:00:11.760 --> 0:00:14.600 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:20.240 Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 0:00:21.200 --> 0:00:24.680 last week was a week and it ended I kind 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:30.200 of tell you it ended with me waking up on 0:00:30.680 --> 0:00:37.400 Friday morning to seeing Marjorie Taylor Green get her ass 0:00:37.400 --> 0:00:44.400 handed to her by Representative Jasmine Crockett from Texas. And 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.720 here's what I will say, because folks have had a 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:51.760 lot of thoughts about the exchange that took place. That 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:59.400 began because Marjorie Taylor Green lauded a personal attack on 0:00:59.520 --> 0:01:07.240 Representative Crockett about her eyelashes, and at the committee, Alexandria 0:01:07.360 --> 0:01:12.080 Cassio Cortez said, directed to the chairman of the committee, 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.399 a Republican, that she needs to apologize because according to 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.479 our rules, we're not allowed to attack each other personally. 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:26.280 And he said, nah, that's fine, right. So then Representative 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:31.039 Jasmine Crockett, who is one of the fiercest members of 0:01:31.080 --> 0:01:36.000 Congress when it comes to dressing motherfuckers all the way down, said, okay, 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.440 so we're allowed to make personal So when we're talking 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.119 about personal attacks, if somebody, if I were to refer 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:46.720 to somebody in this body as a bleach blonde. I 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:50.960 don't know what she said, like bullshitter body, you know, 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.560 just I mean read her for filth and it was 0:01:54.840 --> 0:01:59.760 and the alliteration was fire, Then what would happen? And 0:02:00.720 --> 0:02:03.520 you know, of course, then Marjory Taylor Green turns herself 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.680 into the victim. Oh you're being hostile, you're being loud, 0:02:06.680 --> 0:02:09.400 blah blah blah. So let me just pause right there 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:14.160 and say that anytime a white woman who attacks a 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:17.680 black woman then wants to turn around and play victim 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:21.160 when that black woman then unleashes a bit of fire 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:24.240 that you can't fucking take, don't come for us and 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:26.920 tell us that, oh my god, the tone you're acting 0:02:26.960 --> 0:02:29.639 out and doing all of these things, because that, my friend, 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:33.480 is nothing but racism. Because what we know is that 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.280 these motherfucking Karens who say hot shit cannot fucking take 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:41.040 it when it is delivered back to them. And so, 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:45.840 while I would prefer that our members of Congress do 0:02:46.000 --> 0:02:52.040 not engage in name calling and rhetoric that is beneath 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:55.320 the office, I have said it before and I will 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:59.040 say it again. If Republicans want to go low, then 0:02:59.120 --> 0:03:02.280 let Democrats go to hell. Do you know what I'm saying, 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:06.920 because this is what they can't take. They want to 0:03:07.000 --> 0:03:10.639 say hot shit. They want to call Democrats everything but 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:13.200 a child of God. They want to say the Democrats 0:03:13.240 --> 0:03:17.160 are pedophiles, that Democrats are groomers. They want to say 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.760 all of these things. But when you turn around, right, 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.640 when you turn the table around and then hold up 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.799 a glaring mirror and a spotlight on them, then they 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:28.760 don't know how to fucking take it. And so Representative 0:03:28.840 --> 0:03:32.240 Jasmine Crockett brought the fucking heat to Marjory Taylor Green, 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:37.520 and she looked amazing doing so. So I got to 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:42.520 tell you, the devolving that we have seen that the 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:49.120 Republicans have done to our governing bodies is just astounding 0:03:49.480 --> 0:03:55.520 to me. But to me, what Representative Crockett did is 0:03:55.560 --> 0:03:57.560 what it does look like to be an adult in 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.120 the room. Because Republicans want to play bully, but they 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:04.560 don't know how to deal with a boss. And that's 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:08.440 exactly what she showed them. Marjorie Taylor Green then want 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.760 to find herself saying that she wants to debate AOC bitch. 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.280 You can't debate a first grader. Sit down coming up 0:04:15.360 --> 0:04:20.120 on today's show, I'm very excited to welcome back my 0:04:20.320 --> 0:04:23.760 friend and friend of the show, Jared Yate Sexton, who 0:04:23.839 --> 0:04:27.720 is the author of The Midnight Kingdom, A History of Power, 0:04:27.880 --> 0:04:32.640 Paranoia and the Coming Crisis. Jared and I, man, we 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.799 never know where our conversations will go when we start 0:04:35.800 --> 0:04:39.240 off with asking each other how we're doing as we 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:44.279 watch the fall of democracy the rise of fascism. But 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:46.359 one of the things that we do tackle in this 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:51.800 episode is this idea of radicalization, right and what it 0:04:51.920 --> 0:04:56.440 means to become radicalized. And I think that the conversation 0:04:56.920 --> 0:05:00.440 gets incredibly rich. I could honestly speak to you, Jared, 0:05:00.839 --> 0:05:04.159 all day, every day and I would feel better. So 0:05:04.240 --> 0:05:12.200 I hope that you guys enjoy our exchange coming up next, folks, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:16.400 I am so excited to welcome back to wok af Daily. 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:21.200 It's been a while. Author of The Midnight Kingdom, A 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:25.640 History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis, and the 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:32.640 host of the Muckbreaker podcast, Jared Yates Sexton, Friend, Thank you. 0:05:33.120 --> 0:05:35.640 I'm going to start off with how I always start 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:37.440 off with how are you doing? 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:41.560 Man? These times are kicking ass, aren't they. I mean, 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:45.760 it is just it's you keep expecting maybe a day 0:05:45.880 --> 0:05:51.640 or two to go by without things getting worse and weirder, 0:05:52.040 --> 0:05:54.640 Like it's there are moments of hope, They're like little 0:05:54.680 --> 0:05:58.520 glimmers of inspiration. These are the times that try the salt. 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.560 That's the only other way to put it. I and again, 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.360 you know I said before we started recording, like it's 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.080 so good to see you, and yet we continue to 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:09.559 have to document this. So yeah, it's good to be here. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:12.680 That's how I feel these days, Like I jutt, but 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.159 right before I came on, I saw a meme that 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:20.080 said that we're more burnt out than we actually realize, right, 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:23.720 And I think that when we do the math and 0:06:23.839 --> 0:06:28.360 realize that we've kind of been existing in this nightmare 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:33.920 since twenty fifteen, right like I dated twenty fifteen, Donald 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:37.839 Trump comes down that escalator. We are in twenty twenty 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:43.760 four and have not had a break since then, nine years, 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:47.960 almost a decade long. And when we think about Jared, 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:53.920 the political norms that have just been eroded, the idea 0:06:53.920 --> 0:06:59.239 of law and order, common decency. When you look back 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:03.320 at twenty fifteen team to where we are now, could 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:09.640 your past self have even comprehended this moment, not even. 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:13.040 A little bit. I've spent a lot of time I'm 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:15.960 sure you have as well, not just dealing with what 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.200 happens on a day to day basis, because we have 0:07:18.240 --> 0:07:20.520 to analyze it, we have to try and comment on 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.120 it and put it into a framework for people. But 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:26.720 if you are not I don't know how I'll say this. 0:07:26.840 --> 0:07:29.080 If you are not a grifter, and if you are 0:07:29.080 --> 0:07:32.080 not an opportunist, and you're not a fascist, at this point, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:36.800 you are constantly involved in not just trying to put 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.560 the framework of the world in order, but your own. 0:07:40.280 --> 0:07:43.880 Because what happens every single day now, and I want 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.720 to be very clear about it, what we're dealing with 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:49.320 right now is not just a white supremacist, Christian nationalist, 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:53.560 anti democratic movement that we're fighting. We are dealing with 0:07:53.840 --> 0:08:01.440 an abusive environment that is intentionally trying to grind us down. 0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:03.840 You know, what we have to do constantly is we 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.560 have to search ourselves to understand where we're coming from, 0:08:07.920 --> 0:08:10.000 what it is that we hold to be true, what 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.400 it is that we value, why we do the things 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.040 that we do. Quite frankly, because meanwhile, in the midst 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:18.720 of all of this, it's all commodified, all of it 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:23.000 is commodified right, like jobs, careers, products, you name it. 0:08:23.640 --> 0:08:25.880 So what we have to do in order to not 0:08:26.040 --> 0:08:29.280 just fight it is we also have to look within ourselves. 0:08:29.360 --> 0:08:33.560 We're doing like eight or nine or ten different major 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:39.240 emotionally and energy draining jobs at once. And the unfortunate 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:43.960 truth is that that's where authoritarianism comes from, is what 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:48.240 it feeds on and what it systematically does. So no, I, 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:51.760 I myself as a person, I've had to change completely 0:08:52.120 --> 0:08:55.360 because the only other option is to just lean into 0:08:55.440 --> 0:08:58.280 it and join it, you know. And it's not putting 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:02.640 an armband on. It's playing the role that this sick 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.160 society and sick movement wants you to play. And opposing 0:09:06.200 --> 0:09:10.400 it means that you have to constantly, you have to change, 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:13.120 and you have to fight on all of these different landscapes. 0:09:13.160 --> 0:09:16.480 So no I who I was nine years ago much 0:09:16.559 --> 0:09:19.319 less I mean who I was a year ago. It 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:22.160 has to change. And that's one of the things that 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:24.280 I think is the most complicated about this. 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:34.120 I feel like over the last nine years, but particularly 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:38.480 I focus on probably the last five twenty nineteen kind 0:09:38.520 --> 0:09:42.400 of being the last sense of normalcy globally before we 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.640 headed into a global health pandemic where I think that 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:50.080 what was revealed to many who did not spend their 0:09:50.160 --> 0:09:54.760 careers kind of researching and understanding and analyzing the response 0:09:55.000 --> 0:09:59.560 stability of our government, right and see all of these 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:04.320 kind of holes in the systems of capitalism, right in 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.640 the idea of who is forced right into these essential 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:11.440 roles and who gets to stay home? Like I don't 0:10:11.440 --> 0:10:15.040 think we ever saw so clearly the discrepancies that we 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:20.720 have in our capitalistic, patriarchal, greedy system. How many women 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:23.360 had to drop out of the workforce in that time 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:27.400 frame in order to be the sole caretakers for their children. 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.560 And so I think about the ways in which I 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.480 have changed, right, the ways in which I have had 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:38.840 to adopt different routines of well being in order to 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:43.600 keep myself in a place of sanity right that I 0:10:43.679 --> 0:10:46.320 never had before. So when you say that you have 0:10:46.960 --> 0:10:50.560 had to change that this time, this era that we 0:10:50.600 --> 0:10:52.960 have lived in, has forced you to change, can you 0:10:53.040 --> 0:10:56.240 just unpack a little bit of what that means for us? 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:57.760 What have you done? 0:10:58.360 --> 0:10:59.920 I'll go ahead and try and give the spark now 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:03.480 version of this. You know, back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, 0:11:03.520 --> 0:11:07.120 I was documenting the rising threat of trump Ism. I 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.880 saw this, I knew that something was wrong, but like 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.360 a lot of people at the time, I didn't necessarily 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.839 have a larger framework. I thought he was going to 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:17.680 be rejected, you know. I thought, like, here is a 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:23.000 disgusting individual. He's cruel, awful and lacking, and he will 0:11:23.000 --> 0:11:25.319 be rejected and then we'll move on. And I thought 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:27.800 for a while he was an aberration. I thought this 0:11:27.960 --> 0:11:29.640 was a guy who came along. He just happened to 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:32.319 say the right things, you know, he just happened to 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.000 hit the right chords. And what I had to do 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:38.640 over time, and I'll be completely frank, I've become radicalized. 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.959 I just can't because you have to be because, unfortunately, 0:11:43.320 --> 0:11:48.080 to be an adult and to be an actual participant 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:51.800 in resisting authoritarianism and fascism, you have to take a 0:11:51.840 --> 0:11:54.720 long view. You have to understand that this is a 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:58.200 train that has been coming for a long time, like 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.280 this goes back unfortunately, not just the founding of the 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:05.320 United States of America but centuries, and so all of 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.760 these things are constantly going through crisis. It's a lot 0:12:08.880 --> 0:12:12.520 easier to believe that Trump is a problem, that he 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:15.680 is the issue that he's the disease as opposed to 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.480 a symptom, right. And what I've had to do is 0:12:18.600 --> 0:12:23.080 I've had to basically re educate myself on exactly what 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:26.800 came before him, what happened when he got here, and 0:12:26.840 --> 0:12:30.920 what's been happening ever since. And I came to realize 0:12:31.320 --> 0:12:34.480 that the reality that I thought I lived in was 0:12:34.600 --> 0:12:41.800 a meticulously and painstakingly created fairy tale that went ahead 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:45.199 and preyed upon what I wanted to be true, what 0:12:45.280 --> 0:12:47.160 other people wanted to be true. Also, by the way, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:49.960 I need to make it clear as a white cisgender 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:53.400 man that you know, I was told to comfort me, 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:56.000 you know, and what was told to comfort other people 0:12:56.120 --> 0:13:00.280 like me like I have had to basically reorganize all that. 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:02.959 And I'll tell you the truth, Danielle. And this is 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:04.959 one of the reasons I like talking to you, because 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:08.079 I don't think you shy away from this larger picture. 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:12.839 The truth is, it's really overwhelming to understand that this 0:13:12.920 --> 0:13:16.319 is more more than elections. It's more than the twenty 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:20.600 four hour news cycle. This is a larger existential crisis 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:23.840 that existed before I got here. And quite frankly, even 0:13:23.840 --> 0:13:27.280 if we win this battle, it will exist beyond me. Yep. 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:32.680 This is an existential question about who human beings are, 0:13:32.880 --> 0:13:36.040 what we should be, what we could be. And I've 0:13:36.080 --> 0:13:40.200 had to really deconstruct and reconstruct and sort of change 0:13:40.280 --> 0:13:43.840 everything about myself, and it has made me more strident 0:13:44.120 --> 0:13:46.600 about what I think we should be doing and where 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.120 we should be going. It has been a complete transformation. 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.559 And I think that the word radicalization, right, we need 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:57.840 to reclaim that as not being something that is rooted 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.079 in terrorism, right, which which is the way, Oh, people 0:14:01.120 --> 0:14:05.840 have become radicalized and so they join these different militant 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:09.880 structures that are about you know, subjugation, oppression, and violence. 0:14:10.240 --> 0:14:12.520 That what it means, I think when you're saying, because 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:14.080 I feel the same way. And I actually had this 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:18.600 conversation with Wajahat Ali on my other show Democracy Ish, 0:14:18.679 --> 0:14:22.800 where we were both saying, there's no way right and 0:14:23.240 --> 0:14:27.000 I will look at the suffering that we are seeing 0:14:27.080 --> 0:14:30.560 right now in Gaza. I will look at what the 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:34.520 United States is not only complicit in, but is funding 0:14:34.920 --> 0:14:39.160 is regularly providing a green light and a blank check 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:43.240 for a genocide, and say that there is absolutely no 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:47.520 way that you look at those videos and pictures and 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.760 think to yourself that America is okay, right, that you 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:57.880 look at how we have formulated our pr version of 0:14:57.960 --> 0:15:01.880 who we are on the global right as the arbiters 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:07.080 of democracy, right, as the standard bears of truth and 0:15:07.280 --> 0:15:11.360 morality in the world. And then see what is happening 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:15.760 and these young people on these college campuses marching and 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:20.200 building encampments and saying, wait a minute, we've been fed alive, 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:23.880 like we're not the crazy ones. You guys have been 0:15:23.920 --> 0:15:30.400 gas lighting us. Yes, right, we've been pledging allegiance blindly right, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:36.040 being indoctrinated from primary school about who the United States is. 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:39.200 And then when we ask you to actually reflect back 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.680 to us who you tell us that you are, you 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.160 tell us that we're crazy, that we know not what 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:49.200 we do or what we see. And so I think 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:53.920 that if you aren't bucking the gas lighting and screaming 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.120 at the top of your lungs and being radical because 0:15:58.160 --> 0:16:01.640 the idea apparently a freedom and liberal is a radical notion, 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.920 then you're not awake, you know. And I wonder in 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:11.480 this environment that we are seeing that we recognize that 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:17.200 whether or not Biden or Trump wins, I feel like 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:25.720 Jared that the next administration is really going to have 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:29.920 to figure out how to pull America back together again. 0:16:31.000 --> 0:16:33.200 And I don't know what that looks like. Do you 0:16:33.360 --> 0:16:36.040 have an idea of like what that looks like. 0:16:36.920 --> 0:16:39.760 Well, I want to say some things. And again this 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:42.080 was one of the reasons I was looking forward to 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.120 talking with you. I want to say some hard traits, 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:47.960 some uncomfortable things. Quite frankly, what is happening in Gaza 0:16:48.280 --> 0:16:54.880 is not just indescribable horror, but it is merely the 0:16:54.920 --> 0:16:58.960 most visible component of it. Right now, It's happening all 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:03.160 around the world that people are being exploited, people are 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:06.359 being used for slave labor, they are being oppressed, and 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:08.359 by the way, a lot of it has been done. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:10.320 And this is a hard truth. And this doesn't make 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:12.800 me comfortable. It doesn't make anybody comfortable. This is one 0:17:12.800 --> 0:17:15.719 of the reasons why it's easier to just say, you know, 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:21.240 the next election is everything, don't worry about anything besides it. Right, Listen, 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.720 what has happened with the United States of America, not 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:27.920 just in the beginning in which capitalism was completely based 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:31.720 on the subjugation of generations of people from the continent 0:17:31.760 --> 0:17:35.480 of Africa in order to build capitalistic wealth and build 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:37.800 up the society that we live in. Now. People don't 0:17:37.800 --> 0:17:39.199 want to talk about that. They want to hide it. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.399 They want to like obfuscated behind like fairy tales of 0:17:42.520 --> 0:17:47.560 national mythologies. Right, it has been since at least the 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:51.919 nineteen eighties into the nineties. For decades now, we have 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.320 been given a deal. The United States will live in 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.280 relative consumer comfort. We will be able to buy a 0:17:59.359 --> 0:18:01.800 ton of probert that are going to cost a lot 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.000 less than they should because we're going to find other people, 0:18:05.040 --> 0:18:10.960 particularly people in the Southern hemisphere, particularly people in other countries, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.400 people in places like China, you name it. They are 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:16.439 going to be worked to the point of death, or 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:18.359 they're going to be worked to death, and they're going 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.359 to be paid if they get paid at all, since 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:22.080 on the dollar. By the way, it's not even like 0:18:22.359 --> 0:18:24.520 men and women over the age of eighteen. We're talking 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.360 about children. Those people, they're going to have their resources stolen. 0:18:28.440 --> 0:18:29.919 And by the way, we're going to go ahead and 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:33.840 destroy the environment while we're at it. That deal gave 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.560 us things like the iPhone, which allow us to scroll 0:18:36.840 --> 0:18:40.040 and not really pay attention to what's going on. That's 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:42.920 the deal. The problem is this, and this is another 0:18:42.960 --> 0:18:46.359 hard truth. The reason we're talking about this is because 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.000 it turned out the deal didn't last that long. We 0:18:49.040 --> 0:18:50.960 are now in a place where the United States of 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.840 America is starting to feel some of the pressures that 0:18:54.000 --> 0:18:57.680 other places in the world have felt. The authoritarianism that 0:18:57.920 --> 0:19:01.080 made all of that possible has come home. And that's 0:19:02.000 --> 0:19:06.639 inevitably what happens because capitalism doesn't stop. It always has 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.040 to have more profits, it always has to grow. So 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:12.200 as a result, people are starting to look around. They're saying, 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.960 this shit is not reasonable, it's wrong, and we need 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:18.680 to change it. We need to have something that looks 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:23.560 different than this, and unfortunately we are facing a time 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.480 of choosing what is that different thing going to look like? 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:28.840 And there are two options, to be honest with you. 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:32.719 One is that the authoritarianism grows and that the people 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:34.960 like us who would talk about this the student and 0:19:35.000 --> 0:19:36.600 by the way, the students are getting a first hand 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.760 education in this. They are out there practicing their rights, 0:19:39.840 --> 0:19:41.760 they're saying what's right and wrong, and what are they 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:46.240 getting in return. They're getting brutalized, they're getting bloodied, they're 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.720 getting attacked, and they're being slandered. Let's tell the truth 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:52.040 about that. By the way, for a country that supposedly 0:19:52.080 --> 0:19:55.199 thinks that children are a future and all this bullshit, no, 0:19:55.800 --> 0:19:59.040 we want children to be exploited and shut up about 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.720 it and get in life line and go along with everything. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.720 And by the way, they are our conscience. They have 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:08.240 not had the idealism beaten out of them. We're watching 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.680 it right now an attempt to beat it out of them. 0:20:10.720 --> 0:20:14.080 And what happens is they get radicalized. They realize, oh 0:20:14.080 --> 0:20:16.440 my god, like everything that I thought was going on 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:18.919 is now happening. So I have to stand against this. 0:20:19.400 --> 0:20:22.120 So it either gets worse and we either move into 0:20:22.119 --> 0:20:24.400 a police state where, by the way, we are going 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:26.280 to be treated the same way that we have treated 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.320 so called second and third world citizens. Yep, that's what's 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:32.400 happening right now. And by the way, for everybody who 0:20:32.640 --> 0:20:35.080 I want Americans who are listening to this, think about 0:20:35.080 --> 0:20:38.760 for something for a second, think about every apocalyptic entertainment 0:20:38.800 --> 0:20:41.600 that you've ever enjoyed, whether it's a movie, television show, 0:20:41.680 --> 0:20:45.080 or book. The conditions that Americans are subjected to are 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.160 what happens to second and third world people today. The 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.320 fear is that it's going to be visited on you, 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.400 and it is being visited on you. The only way 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.440 we get out of this is we make common cause 0:20:56.440 --> 0:20:59.080 with the oppressed people around the world, whether it's gossens, 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.720 whether it's be who are being exploited in slave labor, 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.680 or whether it's the people who are having their resources 0:21:04.680 --> 0:21:07.520 and rights taken from them. We either make common cause 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:10.120 with them and we make this change that you're talking about, 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.560 or we dive deeper into it. That's it. And by 0:21:13.560 --> 0:21:16.680 the way, I need to say this because the thing 0:21:16.760 --> 0:21:19.760 that isn't being said and all this needs said. This 0:21:19.840 --> 0:21:21.639 doesn't mean that you go out and you vote for 0:21:21.680 --> 0:21:25.560 Donald Trump because somehow or another, like you're tired of 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.760 Biden or whatever. You need to realize and be an 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:31.720 adult about how politics works in this country. You need 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.119 to understand that we currently have a system that is 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:40.199 speeding to the right into straight white supremacists, neo fascism. 0:21:40.760 --> 0:21:43.479 You have one party that says, let's go faster. You 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.520 have another party that's saying, well, we don't want that, 0:21:46.640 --> 0:21:49.800 but we also can't make many changes and all of that. 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.359 There are alternatives between those two. We can have a 0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.160 different world. We can have a world where those things change, 0:21:56.240 --> 0:21:59.640 but it is not going to change by simply accepting 0:21:59.720 --> 0:22:03.040 this and by just saying like, well, this isn't realistic 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:07.040 this conversation you're having and why because that's a softer 0:22:07.200 --> 0:22:10.080 abuse than the iron hand, than the rubber bullets, than 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:13.239 the baton to the skull. It's a softer abuse. It's 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:14.640 an enabling abuse. 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:15.000 Yep. 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:18.480 It's saying, well, I understand things are pretty screwed up 0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:21.000 and maybe things need to be changed, but we need 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:23.680 to slow down and not be radical. No, we need 0:22:23.720 --> 0:22:26.600 to let our ethics and our morality and our conscience 0:22:26.720 --> 0:22:29.520 is free. We need to understand that this was never right. 0:22:29.920 --> 0:22:32.760 This was wrong way before us, it's wrong now, and 0:22:32.760 --> 0:22:34.160 it's going to be wrong in the future as long 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:36.040 as we find it, and we need to start having 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:37.720 serious conversations about that. 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.120 You know. And I think too with regard to young 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.960 people and basically telling them that you're not our future 0:22:44.200 --> 0:22:47.480 to shut up, sit down, get in line, and do 0:22:47.680 --> 0:22:51.840 what prior generations have done. The difference with Generation Z 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:55.919 and prior generations too, is that there isn't going to 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:59.600 be this softening of their principles as they get older, 0:22:59.800 --> 0:23:03.360 because they have the creature comforts around them that then 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.479 stifle them, make them stagnant. Right, they aren't going to 0:23:07.840 --> 0:23:10.240 have the house and the picket fence and the car 0:23:10.560 --> 0:23:13.920 and the safe job. Right, They're not going to get 0:23:13.960 --> 0:23:18.280 those creature comforts that then turned people right from being 0:23:18.320 --> 0:23:24.840 the radical protesters during the Vietnam era into the Reagan yuppie, 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:29.040 greedy capitalists that they turned into as they became forty 0:23:29.080 --> 0:23:31.520 and fifty and sixty years old. That's not going to 0:23:31.600 --> 0:23:35.239 happen because they are no longer have access to what 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:39.080 used to be called the American dream. They have been 0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:44.760 economically terrorized from the time that they entered into secondary 0:23:44.880 --> 0:23:50.240 education with leaving six deep six figures in debt. 0:23:50.720 --> 0:23:52.800 I would also go ahead and ad something else that 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:57.000 they have been literally terrorized. This country has made a decision, 0:23:57.359 --> 0:24:01.480 which is that profit matters over making sure that anybody 0:24:01.520 --> 0:24:05.360 lives not just a life, but does anybody actually live 0:24:05.400 --> 0:24:09.080 in safety. We have taken this generation, and I don't 0:24:09.119 --> 0:24:11.840 think I don't think it's a surprise that this is 0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:14.800 the generation that understands every time, every day that they 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:18.320 go to school, that they might very well be slaughtered. 0:24:19.000 --> 0:24:20.919 And by the way, they have a bunch of adults 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:24.320 who haven't taken care of them. They already they know 0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.919 full and well. And this isn't just like the left 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:30.800 leaning ones. They all know that the climate is absolutely screwed. 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:34.000 They know that nobody's doing anything to take care of 0:24:34.040 --> 0:24:37.120 any of these things. And what happens when that occurs. 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:39.919