1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to ok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Home Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: last week was a week and it ended I kind 4 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: of tell you it ended with me waking up on 5 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: Friday morning to seeing Marjorie Taylor Green get her ass 6 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: handed to her by Representative Jasmine Crockett from Texas. And 7 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: here's what I will say, because folks have had a 8 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: lot of thoughts about the exchange that took place. That 9 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: began because Marjorie Taylor Green lauded a personal attack on 10 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: Representative Crockett about her eyelashes, and at the committee, Alexandria 11 00:01:07,360 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: Cassio Cortez said, directed to the chairman of the committee, 12 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: a Republican, that she needs to apologize because according to 13 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,479 Speaker 1: our rules, we're not allowed to attack each other personally. 14 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: And he said, nah, that's fine, right. So then Representative 15 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett, who is one of the fiercest members of 16 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: Congress when it comes to dressing motherfuckers all the way down, said, okay, 17 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 1: so we're allowed to make personal So when we're talking 18 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: about personal attacks, if somebody, if I were to refer 19 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:46,720 Speaker 1: to somebody in this body as a bleach blonde. I 20 00:01:46,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: don't know what she said, like bullshitter body, you know, 21 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: just I mean read her for filth and it was 22 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: and the alliteration was fire, Then what would happen? And 23 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,520 Speaker 1: you know, of course, then Marjory Taylor Green turns herself 24 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,680 Speaker 1: into the victim. Oh you're being hostile, you're being loud, 25 00:02:06,680 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: blah blah blah. So let me just pause right there 26 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: and say that anytime a white woman who attacks a 27 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,680 Speaker 1: black woman then wants to turn around and play victim 28 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 1: when that black woman then unleashes a bit of fire 29 00:02:21,240 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: that you can't fucking take, don't come for us and 30 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: tell us that, oh my god, the tone you're acting 31 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: out and doing all of these things, because that, my friend, 32 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: is nothing but racism. Because what we know is that 33 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: these motherfucking Karens who say hot shit cannot fucking take 34 00:02:38,280 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: it when it is delivered back to them. And so, 35 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: while I would prefer that our members of Congress do 36 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: not engage in name calling and rhetoric that is beneath 37 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 1: the office, I have said it before and I will 38 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 1: say it again. If Republicans want to go low, then 39 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,280 Speaker 1: let Democrats go to hell. Do you know what I'm saying, 40 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,920 Speaker 1: because this is what they can't take. They want to 41 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 1: say hot shit. They want to call Democrats everything but 42 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: a child of God. They want to say the Democrats 43 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: are pedophiles, that Democrats are groomers. They want to say 44 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 1: all of these things. But when you turn around, right, 45 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: when you turn the table around and then hold up 46 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,799 Speaker 1: a glaring mirror and a spotlight on them, then they 47 00:03:25,840 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: don't know how to fucking take it. And so Representative 48 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,240 Speaker 1: Jasmine Crockett brought the fucking heat to Marjory Taylor Green, 49 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: and she looked amazing doing so. So I got to 50 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: tell you, the devolving that we have seen that the 51 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: Republicans have done to our governing bodies is just astounding 52 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 1: to me. But to me, what Representative Crockett did is 53 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 1: what it does look like to be an adult in 54 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: the room. Because Republicans want to play bully, but they 55 00:04:01,160 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: don't know how to deal with a boss. And that's 56 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: exactly what she showed them. Marjorie Taylor Green then want 57 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: to find herself saying that she wants to debate AOC bitch. 58 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: You can't debate a first grader. Sit down coming up 59 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: on today's show, I'm very excited to welcome back my 60 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: friend and friend of the show, Jared Yate Sexton, who 61 00:04:23,839 --> 00:04:27,720 Speaker 1: is the author of The Midnight Kingdom, A History of Power, 62 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: Paranoia and the Coming Crisis. Jared and I, man, we 63 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,799 Speaker 1: never know where our conversations will go when we start 64 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: off with asking each other how we're doing as we 65 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: watch the fall of democracy the rise of fascism. But 66 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:46,359 Speaker 1: one of the things that we do tackle in this 67 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: episode is this idea of radicalization, right and what it 68 00:04:51,920 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 1: means to become radicalized. And I think that the conversation 69 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: gets incredibly rich. I could honestly speak to you, Jared, 70 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: all day, every day and I would feel better. So 71 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:12,200 Speaker 1: I hope that you guys enjoy our exchange coming up next, folks, 72 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: I am so excited to welcome back to wok af Daily. 73 00:05:16,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: It's been a while. Author of The Midnight Kingdom, A 74 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: History of Power, Paranoia and the Coming Crisis, and the 75 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: host of the Muckbreaker podcast, Jared Yates Sexton, Friend, Thank you. 76 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: I'm going to start off with how I always start 77 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: off with how are you doing? 78 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: Man? These times are kicking ass, aren't they. I mean, 79 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 2: it is just it's you keep expecting maybe a day 80 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:51,640 Speaker 2: or two to go by without things getting worse and weirder, 81 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 2: Like it's there are moments of hope, They're like little 82 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 2: glimmers of inspiration. These are the times that try the salt. 83 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: That's the only other way to put it. I and again, 84 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 2: you know I said before we started recording, like it's 85 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 2: so good to see you, and yet we continue to 86 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:09,559 Speaker 2: have to document this. So yeah, it's good to be here. 87 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: That's how I feel these days, Like I jutt, but 88 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 1: right before I came on, I saw a meme that 89 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: said that we're more burnt out than we actually realize, right, 90 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,720 Speaker 1: And I think that when we do the math and 91 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:28,360 Speaker 1: realize that we've kind of been existing in this nightmare 92 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: since twenty fifteen, right like I dated twenty fifteen, Donald 93 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: Trump comes down that escalator. We are in twenty twenty 94 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: four and have not had a break since then, nine years, 95 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,960 Speaker 1: almost a decade long. And when we think about Jared, 96 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 1: the political norms that have just been eroded, the idea 97 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,239 Speaker 1: of law and order, common decency. When you look back 98 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 1: at twenty fifteen team to where we are now, could 99 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: your past self have even comprehended this moment, not even. 100 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 2: A little bit. I've spent a lot of time I'm 101 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: sure you have as well, not just dealing with what 102 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 2: happens on a day to day basis, because we have 103 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 2: to analyze it, we have to try and comment on 104 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,120 Speaker 2: it and put it into a framework for people. But 105 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 2: if you are not I don't know how I'll say this. 106 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: If you are not a grifter, and if you are 107 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 2: not an opportunist, and you're not a fascist, at this point, 108 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: you are constantly involved in not just trying to put 109 00:07:36,840 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: the framework of the world in order, but your own. 110 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 2: Because what happens every single day now, and I want 111 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 2: to be very clear about it, what we're dealing with 112 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 2: right now is not just a white supremacist, Christian nationalist, 113 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 2: anti democratic movement that we're fighting. We are dealing with 114 00:07:53,840 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 2: an abusive environment that is intentionally trying to grind us down. 115 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 2: You know, what we have to do constantly is we 116 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: have to search ourselves to understand where we're coming from, 117 00:08:07,920 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 2: what it is that we hold to be true, what 118 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: it is that we value, why we do the things 119 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 2: that we do. Quite frankly, because meanwhile, in the midst 120 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 2: of all of this, it's all commodified, all of it 121 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: is commodified right, like jobs, careers, products, you name it. 122 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 2: So what we have to do in order to not 123 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 2: just fight it is we also have to look within ourselves. 124 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 2: We're doing like eight or nine or ten different major 125 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 2: emotionally and energy draining jobs at once. And the unfortunate 126 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 2: truth is that that's where authoritarianism comes from, is what 127 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 2: it feeds on and what it systematically does. So no, I, 128 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,760 Speaker 2: I myself as a person, I've had to change completely 129 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 2: because the only other option is to just lean into 130 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 2: it and join it, you know. And it's not putting 131 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 2: an armband on. It's playing the role that this sick 132 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: society and sick movement wants you to play. And opposing 133 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 2: it means that you have to constantly, you have to change, 134 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: and you have to fight on all of these different landscapes. 135 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 2: So no I who I was nine years ago much 136 00:09:16,559 --> 00:09:19,319 Speaker 2: less I mean who I was a year ago. It 137 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 2: has to change. And that's one of the things that 138 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: I think is the most complicated about this. 139 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:34,120 Speaker 1: I feel like over the last nine years, but particularly 140 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: I focus on probably the last five twenty nineteen kind 141 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: of being the last sense of normalcy globally before we 142 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: headed into a global health pandemic where I think that 143 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,080 Speaker 1: what was revealed to many who did not spend their 144 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: careers kind of researching and understanding and analyzing the response 145 00:09:55,000 --> 00:09:59,560 Speaker 1: stability of our government, right and see all of these 146 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:04,320 Speaker 1: kind of holes in the systems of capitalism, right in 147 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: the idea of who is forced right into these essential 148 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: roles and who gets to stay home? Like I don't 149 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: think we ever saw so clearly the discrepancies that we 150 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: have in our capitalistic, patriarchal, greedy system. How many women 151 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: had to drop out of the workforce in that time 152 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: frame in order to be the sole caretakers for their children. 153 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:30,560 Speaker 1: And so I think about the ways in which I 154 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: have changed, right, the ways in which I have had 155 00:10:33,520 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: to adopt different routines of well being in order to 156 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:43,600 Speaker 1: keep myself in a place of sanity right that I 157 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:46,320 Speaker 1: never had before. So when you say that you have 158 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,560 Speaker 1: had to change that this time, this era that we 159 00:10:50,600 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: have lived in, has forced you to change, can you 160 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: just unpack a little bit of what that means for us? 161 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: What have you done? 162 00:10:58,360 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: I'll go ahead and try and give the spark now 163 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,480 Speaker 2: version of this. You know, back in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, 164 00:11:03,520 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 2: I was documenting the rising threat of trump Ism. I 165 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: saw this, I knew that something was wrong, but like 166 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,360 Speaker 2: a lot of people at the time, I didn't necessarily 167 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: have a larger framework. I thought he was going to 168 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,680 Speaker 2: be rejected, you know. I thought, like, here is a 169 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: disgusting individual. He's cruel, awful and lacking, and he will 170 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,319 Speaker 2: be rejected and then we'll move on. And I thought 171 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 2: for a while he was an aberration. I thought this 172 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: was a guy who came along. He just happened to 173 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,319 Speaker 2: say the right things, you know, he just happened to 174 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 2: hit the right chords. And what I had to do 175 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 2: over time, and I'll be completely frank, I've become radicalized. 176 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,959 Speaker 2: I just can't because you have to be because, unfortunately, 177 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 2: to be an adult and to be an actual participant 178 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 2: in resisting authoritarianism and fascism, you have to take a 179 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 2: long view. You have to understand that this is a 180 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 2: train that has been coming for a long time, like 181 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 2: this goes back unfortunately, not just the founding of the 182 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 2: United States of America but centuries, and so all of 183 00:12:05,360 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: these things are constantly going through crisis. It's a lot 184 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:12,520 Speaker 2: easier to believe that Trump is a problem, that he 185 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,680 Speaker 2: is the issue that he's the disease as opposed to 186 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 2: a symptom, right. And what I've had to do is 187 00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 2: I've had to basically re educate myself on exactly what 188 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 2: came before him, what happened when he got here, and 189 00:12:26,840 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 2: what's been happening ever since. And I came to realize 190 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: that the reality that I thought I lived in was 191 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 2: a meticulously and painstakingly created fairy tale that went ahead 192 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 2: and preyed upon what I wanted to be true, what 193 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 2: other people wanted to be true. Also, by the way, 194 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 2: I need to make it clear as a white cisgender 195 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: man that you know, I was told to comfort me, 196 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,000 Speaker 2: you know, and what was told to comfort other people 197 00:12:56,120 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 2: like me like I have had to basically reorganize all that. 198 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 2: And I'll tell you the truth, Danielle. And this is 199 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 2: one of the reasons I like talking to you, because 200 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 2: I don't think you shy away from this larger picture. 201 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 2: The truth is, it's really overwhelming to understand that this 202 00:13:12,920 --> 00:13:16,319 Speaker 2: is more more than elections. It's more than the twenty 203 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 2: four hour news cycle. This is a larger existential crisis 204 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,840 Speaker 2: that existed before I got here. And quite frankly, even 205 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 2: if we win this battle, it will exist beyond me. Yep. 206 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: This is an existential question about who human beings are, 207 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: what we should be, what we could be. And I've 208 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 2: had to really deconstruct and reconstruct and sort of change 209 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 2: everything about myself, and it has made me more strident 210 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: about what I think we should be doing and where 211 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: we should be going. It has been a complete transformation. 212 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:53,559 Speaker 1: And I think that the word radicalization, right, we need 213 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 1: to reclaim that as not being something that is rooted 214 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,079 Speaker 1: in terrorism, right, which which is the way, Oh, people 215 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: have become radicalized and so they join these different militant 216 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: structures that are about you know, subjugation, oppression, and violence. 217 00:14:10,240 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: That what it means, I think when you're saying, because 218 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:14,080 Speaker 1: I feel the same way. And I actually had this 219 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: conversation with Wajahat Ali on my other show Democracy Ish, 220 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: where we were both saying, there's no way right and 221 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: I will look at the suffering that we are seeing 222 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: right now in Gaza. I will look at what the 223 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:34,520 Speaker 1: United States is not only complicit in, but is funding 224 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 1: is regularly providing a green light and a blank check 225 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: for a genocide, and say that there is absolutely no 226 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: way that you look at those videos and pictures and 227 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 1: think to yourself that America is okay, right, that you 228 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: look at how we have formulated our pr version of 229 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: who we are on the global right as the arbiters 230 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:07,080 Speaker 1: of democracy, right, as the standard bears of truth and 231 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: morality in the world. And then see what is happening 232 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:15,760 Speaker 1: and these young people on these college campuses marching and 233 00:15:15,800 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 1: building encampments and saying, wait a minute, we've been fed alive, 234 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:23,880 Speaker 1: like we're not the crazy ones. You guys have been 235 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: gas lighting us. Yes, right, we've been pledging allegiance blindly right, 236 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 1: being indoctrinated from primary school about who the United States is. 237 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 1: And then when we ask you to actually reflect back 238 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: to us who you tell us that you are, you 239 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 1: tell us that we're crazy, that we know not what 240 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:49,200 Speaker 1: we do or what we see. And so I think 241 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: that if you aren't bucking the gas lighting and screaming 242 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 1: at the top of your lungs and being radical because 243 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: the idea apparently a freedom and liberal is a radical notion, 244 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: then you're not awake, you know. And I wonder in 245 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: this environment that we are seeing that we recognize that 246 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:17,200 Speaker 1: whether or not Biden or Trump wins, I feel like 247 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: Jared that the next administration is really going to have 248 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: to figure out how to pull America back together again. 249 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: And I don't know what that looks like. Do you 250 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: have an idea of like what that looks like. 251 00:16:36,920 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: Well, I want to say some things. And again this 252 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 2: was one of the reasons I was looking forward to 253 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: talking with you. I want to say some hard traits, 254 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,960 Speaker 2: some uncomfortable things. Quite frankly, what is happening in Gaza 255 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 2: is not just indescribable horror, but it is merely the 256 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 2: most visible component of it. Right now, It's happening all 257 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 2: around the world that people are being exploited, people are 258 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 2: being used for slave labor, they are being oppressed, and 259 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 2: by the way, a lot of it has been done. 260 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 2: And this is a hard truth. And this doesn't make 261 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 2: me comfortable. It doesn't make anybody comfortable. This is one 262 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 2: of the reasons why it's easier to just say, you know, 263 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: the next election is everything, don't worry about anything besides it. Right, Listen, 264 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 2: what has happened with the United States of America, not 265 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 2: just in the beginning in which capitalism was completely based 266 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: on the subjugation of generations of people from the continent 267 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: of Africa in order to build capitalistic wealth and build 268 00:17:35,560 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: up the society that we live in. Now. People don't 269 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:39,199 Speaker 2: want to talk about that. They want to hide it. 270 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:42,399 Speaker 2: They want to like obfuscated behind like fairy tales of 271 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 2: national mythologies. Right, it has been since at least the 272 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 2: nineteen eighties into the nineties. For decades now, we have 273 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 2: been given a deal. The United States will live in 274 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:59,280 Speaker 2: relative consumer comfort. We will be able to buy a 275 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 2: ton of probert that are going to cost a lot 276 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 2: less than they should because we're going to find other people, 277 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 2: particularly people in the Southern hemisphere, particularly people in other countries, 278 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 2: people in places like China, you name it. They are 279 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,439 Speaker 2: going to be worked to the point of death, or 280 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 2: they're going to be worked to death, and they're going 281 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,359 Speaker 2: to be paid if they get paid at all, since 282 00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 2: on the dollar. By the way, it's not even like 283 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: men and women over the age of eighteen. We're talking 284 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 2: about children. Those people, they're going to have their resources stolen. 285 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 2: And by the way, we're going to go ahead and 286 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: destroy the environment while we're at it. That deal gave 287 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: us things like the iPhone, which allow us to scroll 288 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 2: and not really pay attention to what's going on. That's 289 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,920 Speaker 2: the deal. The problem is this, and this is another 290 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:46,359 Speaker 2: hard truth. The reason we're talking about this is because 291 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: it turned out the deal didn't last that long. We 292 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: are now in a place where the United States of 293 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 2: America is starting to feel some of the pressures that 294 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:57,680 Speaker 2: other places in the world have felt. The authoritarianism that 295 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:01,080 Speaker 2: made all of that possible has come home. And that's 296 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 2: inevitably what happens because capitalism doesn't stop. It always has 297 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 2: to have more profits, it always has to grow. So 298 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: as a result, people are starting to look around. They're saying, 299 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 2: this shit is not reasonable, it's wrong, and we need 300 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: to change it. We need to have something that looks 301 00:19:18,840 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 2: different than this, and unfortunately we are facing a time 302 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 2: of choosing what is that different thing going to look like? 303 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:28,840 Speaker 2: And there are two options, to be honest with you. 304 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 2: One is that the authoritarianism grows and that the people 305 00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: like us who would talk about this the student and 306 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 2: by the way, the students are getting a first hand 307 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 2: education in this. They are out there practicing their rights, 308 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 2: they're saying what's right and wrong, and what are they 309 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: getting in return. They're getting brutalized, they're getting bloodied, they're 310 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: getting attacked, and they're being slandered. Let's tell the truth 311 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 2: about that. By the way, for a country that supposedly 312 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,199 Speaker 2: thinks that children are a future and all this bullshit, no, 313 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 2: we want children to be exploited and shut up about 314 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 2: it and get in life line and go along with everything. 315 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 2: And by the way, they are our conscience. They have 316 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: not had the idealism beaten out of them. We're watching 317 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: it right now an attempt to beat it out of them. 318 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,080 Speaker 2: And what happens is they get radicalized. They realize, oh 319 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,440 Speaker 2: my god, like everything that I thought was going on 320 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: is now happening. So I have to stand against this. 321 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: So it either gets worse and we either move into 322 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 2: a police state where, by the way, we are going 323 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 2: to be treated the same way that we have treated 324 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 2: so called second and third world citizens. Yep, that's what's 325 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,400 Speaker 2: happening right now. And by the way, for everybody who 326 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: I want Americans who are listening to this, think about 327 00:20:35,080 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 2: for something for a second, think about every apocalyptic entertainment 328 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 2: that you've ever enjoyed, whether it's a movie, television show, 329 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: or book. The conditions that Americans are subjected to are 330 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: what happens to second and third world people today. The 331 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 2: fear is that it's going to be visited on you, 332 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: and it is being visited on you. The only way 333 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,440 Speaker 2: we get out of this is we make common cause 334 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 2: with the oppressed people around the world, whether it's gossens, 335 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 2: whether it's be who are being exploited in slave labor, 336 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 2: or whether it's the people who are having their resources 337 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 2: and rights taken from them. We either make common cause 338 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,120 Speaker 2: with them and we make this change that you're talking about, 339 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: or we dive deeper into it. That's it. And by 340 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,680 Speaker 2: the way, I need to say this because the thing 341 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 2: that isn't being said and all this needs said. This 342 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: doesn't mean that you go out and you vote for 343 00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: Donald Trump because somehow or another, like you're tired of 344 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 2: Biden or whatever. You need to realize and be an 345 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 2: adult about how politics works in this country. You need 346 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: to understand that we currently have a system that is 347 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: speeding to the right into straight white supremacists, neo fascism. 348 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 2: You have one party that says, let's go faster. You 349 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,520 Speaker 2: have another party that's saying, well, we don't want that, 350 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 2: but we also can't make many changes and all of that. 351 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 2: There are alternatives between those two. We can have a 352 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 2: different world. We can have a world where those things change, 353 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: but it is not going to change by simply accepting 354 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 2: this and by just saying like, well, this isn't realistic 355 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 2: this conversation you're having and why because that's a softer 356 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,080 Speaker 2: abuse than the iron hand, than the rubber bullets, than 357 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,239 Speaker 2: the baton to the skull. It's a softer abuse. It's 358 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:14,640 Speaker 2: an enabling abuse. 359 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 1: Yep. 360 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 2: It's saying, well, I understand things are pretty screwed up 361 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 2: and maybe things need to be changed, but we need 362 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 2: to slow down and not be radical. No, we need 363 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: to let our ethics and our morality and our conscience 364 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 2: is free. We need to understand that this was never right. 365 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,760 Speaker 2: This was wrong way before us, it's wrong now, and 366 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be wrong in the future as long 367 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 2: as we find it, and we need to start having 368 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: serious conversations about that. 369 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,120 Speaker 1: You know. And I think too with regard to young 370 00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: people and basically telling them that you're not our future 371 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: to shut up, sit down, get in line, and do 372 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: what prior generations have done. The difference with Generation Z 373 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 1: and prior generations too, is that there isn't going to 374 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: be this softening of their principles as they get older, 375 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 1: because they have the creature comforts around them that then 376 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,479 Speaker 1: stifle them, make them stagnant. Right, they aren't going to 377 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 1: have the house and the picket fence and the car 378 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: and the safe job. Right, They're not going to get 379 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: those creature comforts that then turned people right from being 380 00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:24,840 Speaker 1: the radical protesters during the Vietnam era into the Reagan yuppie, 381 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,040 Speaker 1: greedy capitalists that they turned into as they became forty 382 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: and fifty and sixty years old. That's not going to 383 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,239 Speaker 1: happen because they are no longer have access to what 384 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 1: used to be called the American dream. They have been 385 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: economically terrorized from the time that they entered into secondary 386 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: education with leaving six deep six figures in debt. 387 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 2: I would also go ahead and ad something else that 388 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: they have been literally terrorized. This country has made a decision, 389 00:23:57,359 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 2: which is that profit matters over making sure that anybody 390 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 2: lives not just a life, but does anybody actually live 391 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: in safety. We have taken this generation, and I don't 392 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 2: think I don't think it's a surprise that this is 393 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 2: the generation that understands every time, every day that they 394 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: go to school, that they might very well be slaughtered. 395 00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 2: And by the way, they have a bunch of adults 396 00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 2: who haven't taken care of them. They already they know 397 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,919 Speaker 2: full and well. And this isn't just like the left 398 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 2: leaning ones. They all know that the climate is absolutely screwed. 399 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: They know that nobody's doing anything to take care of 400 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,120 Speaker 2: any of these things. And what happens when that occurs. 401 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 2: And by the way, I want to go ahead and say, 402 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 2: this isn't just a political or economic crisis. This is 403 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: a mental health crisis in a home where abuse is 404 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:48,120 Speaker 2: taking place. And I know this is someone who grew 405 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,320 Speaker 2: up in an abusive home. I know this from doing 406 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 2: the studies. This is very very clear. When the adults 407 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: are abusing the children, at some point or another stand 408 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 2: up and say, I don't know what's going on, but 409 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 2: this is wrong. And what do they get in return? 410 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 2: They get abuse to shut them up and to keep 411 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 2: them from speaking their truth, and they become socialized to 412 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 2: what has happened to them. They are rejecting that right now. 413 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,159 Speaker 2: These are children who have had to go through active 414 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 2: shooter drills, who have been told no one's coming to 415 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 2: save you. And eventually, when your back is against the wall, 416 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 2: you're told you don't have an economic future, you don't 417 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 2: have an environment in future, things are only going to 418 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 2: get worse. And every single day you need to think 419 00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 2: about the fact that life is fleeting. Was that breed desperation, 420 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 2: It breeds the idea I need to do something about this. 421 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 2: And when the cops go out and shoot them with 422 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 2: rubber bullets, they've been prepared for this their entire lives. 423 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:43,639 Speaker 2: They've been told every day of their lives to expect 424 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 2: bullets to be shot against them, in violence to be 425 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 2: visited upon them. And one of the things that we 426 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 2: have to realize, and it really really hurts to say this, 427 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 2: I'm forty two. I realized back in two thousand and 428 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,479 Speaker 2: three when I was protesting against the Iraq war, I 429 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,040 Speaker 2: still have so much idealism. I thought that if we 430 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 2: protested the right way, that the powerful people would hear 431 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 2: it and come to their senses. Yeah, and do you 432 00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 2: know what I learned. I learned that doesn't happen. I 433 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 2: looked up and by the way, this is another hard 434 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 2: truth and inconvenience. You know what happened in two thousand 435 00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:19,959 Speaker 2: and three. It was a bi partisan support for an 436 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:25,159 Speaker 2: illegal war to go after another country illegally and not 437 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:27,639 Speaker 2: just take out a dictator who, by the way, was 438 00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: an evil son of a bitch. It was to go 439 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 2: ahead and destroy the entirety of their civilization, ruin all 440 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 2: of their progress. Also, corporations could come in and absolutely 441 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: raid them and make profits off of rebuilding the society 442 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 2: that was unjustly destroyed. I thought that if I said 443 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 2: the right thing. I was a poet back then, Oh, 444 00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: if I write the right poem, all of a sudden, 445 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 2: it will make a difference. Right, if the right movie 446 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: has made, the right book is written, people will come 447 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 2: to their senses. And suddenly, when that doesn't happen, you 448 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:01,919 Speaker 2: look at the entire picture and you say, something is 449 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:05,440 Speaker 2: stridently wrong here and it's not going. And by the way, 450 00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 2: that spirit is what leads to social revolutions. That's what 451 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:12,879 Speaker 2: leads to the civil rights movement. It's a group of 452 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,879 Speaker 2: people who heard the stories of their parents and grandparents 453 00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,640 Speaker 2: that things were not changed, that people with power did 454 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 2: not come in and help them, and they realized, we 455 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,160 Speaker 2: have to be the ones to change this. What we're 456 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:27,160 Speaker 2: looking at right now is a generational war that is growing. 457 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: And it's always what happens. These young people are always 458 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,560 Speaker 2: the canaries in the coal mines. It's why the students 459 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: were the ones who said it, the lunch counters in 460 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 2: the South, it's why the students were the ones who 461 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 2: spoke out against the Vietnam War. That all of the 462 00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,719 Speaker 2: adults were like, you don't understand this, this is beyond you. 463 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,359 Speaker 2: And now we look back and we're like, wow, all 464 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 2: those people were correct, and this is another situation like that, 465 00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: And unfortunately the adults are reacting in the way that 466 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 2: adults always do, which is to say, either wait for 467 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 2: something to change. I promise you eventually will, or they 468 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: react with violence. And that's what we're looking at right now. 469 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:13,280 Speaker 1: I always appreciate you like beyond because you break down 470 00:28:13,560 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: in such a beautiful, articulate and passionate way every lie 471 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 1: that we have been told right, that has gotten us here, 472 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,479 Speaker 1: because I think that too often, because we're not a 473 00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 1: nation that believes in history, right, the truth of history 474 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:34,640 Speaker 1: and the lessons of history. People think that this just happened, right, 475 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: and we don't understand that this has been building. The 476 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:43,480 Speaker 1: collapse has been building for generations, and the writing has 477 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: been on the wall and it has just been ignored 478 00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 1: so that a few people could get even more wealthy 479 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: right off of the lies and subjugation and oppression that 480 00:28:55,840 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: we've just all wilfully shrugged at. 481 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 2: Well. And I, first of all, at the risk of 482 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 2: being overly sentimental, I want to say, I really appreciate you. 483 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,720 Speaker 2: This is a time and I hope that your listeners 484 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 2: look around and I want them to see that a 485 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 2: lot of the people they thought were their allies, a 486 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 2: lot of the people that they thought were on their side, 487 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: that they are chanting for young people to be brutalized. 488 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 2: They are saying, hey, you know, I don't like what's 489 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: going on in Gaza either, but like we really just 490 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 2: can't talk about it right now. On top of that, 491 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: like what is being exchanged is that a lot of 492 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 2: people who have let's call it what it is, middle 493 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,600 Speaker 2: class white collar jobs. Not a lot of power, right, 494 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 2: but like a little bit of comfort. Like people are 495 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 2: exchanging their morality and conscience for just shreds of what 496 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,480 Speaker 2: they deserve. They're doing again, it's a phone, it's having 497 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 2: a law, and it's being like one of the few 498 00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 2: people in America who can afford a house, or you know, 499 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,440 Speaker 2: it's to not have healthcare, it's to not have childcare, 500 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,960 Speaker 2: it's to look around and see the people that you 501 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 2: care about, or supposedly care about, being absolutely shredded by 502 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:12,280 Speaker 2: an oppressive system. We have to stop ransoming our morality 503 00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 2: and our conscience in this situation. We have to stand up. 504 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 2: It's ugly, it's not comfortable. It is it is really 505 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 2: really brutal, hard work. It's lonely, and that, by the way, 506 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: is one of the reasons I appreciate you. And I 507 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: find myself looking at other people of conscience, whether it's 508 00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 2: in the commentary space, or whether it's in the organizing space, 509 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 2: or what it is. This is not an easy time 510 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 2: to do what's right. I mean it is when you 511 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 2: lay your head down on the pillow, but when you're 512 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: out in the space, when you're watching day to day, 513 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: when you're when you're when you're absorbing all of this, 514 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: it's incredibly lonely. And I think if I can impress 515 00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 2: one thing on your listeners before we go, it's this, 516 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 2: that loneliness is real. But you're not alone. We are 517 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 2: surrounded by a lot of people who are more than 518 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 2: willing to jettison this stuff and more been willing to 519 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: countenance God knows how many children being destroyed right now 520 00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 2: around the world and like it is lonely, but you 521 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 2: are not alone. And I remain optimistic. But it's only 522 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: in living in that and sitting with it and being 523 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,280 Speaker 2: curious about it and acting on it. That's where we 524 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: find each other. And I think that now more than ever, 525 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:22,760 Speaker 2: we have to find each other and we have to 526 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,000 Speaker 2: push for something better. 527 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: H Jared, I can't thank you enough. I appreciate your 528 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 1: words so so very much. Thank you, thank you, thank 529 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,240 Speaker 1: you for making the time for woke AF and we're 530 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:36,720 Speaker 1: going to have you back on again soon. 531 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, Daniel. 532 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on woke 533 00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: A app as always Power to the people and to 534 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,440 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.