1 00:00:03,200 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mob Never told you. From how Supports 2 00:00:06,519 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: and I'm Kristin. And today is a very exciting day 4 00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 1: in the podcast. Ladies and gentlemen, we are kicking off 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:26,439 Speaker 1: our twenty fourteen summer series looking at Women in Exploration. Yeah, 6 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: and since this is our introductory episode, we wanted to 7 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: just offer an overview looking at what exploration actually is. 8 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: Because Caroline, exploration is not what I thought it was 9 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,920 Speaker 1: before we started reading about this, I assumed exploration was 10 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:49,400 Speaker 1: when people just go out into the wilderness and hike around, 11 00:00:49,479 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: or they climb mountains, or they go walk around the 12 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: snowy land. Yeah, but it's so much more than that. 13 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 1: I totally am on the Saint was on the same 14 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 1: page with you. I thought like, oh, well, exploration, it's 15 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: just any any old person who climbs a mountain or 16 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: goes into the woods or what have you to look around, 17 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: have a look around, a look see and and see 18 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 1: what's out there. But as we'll get into, like Kristen said, 19 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: there is so much more. There's so many more layers 20 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,640 Speaker 1: to what an explorer is versus maybe an adventure and 21 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: and the purposes of each that's right. Um, But since 22 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: we're focusing on women and exploration, we thought a good 23 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: place to kick off this discussion. I was talking about 24 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: how exploration has long been considered more of a masculine pursuit. 25 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: There was a paper we found called Conceptions of Victorian 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: Masculinity within Britain's Colonial Project in Egypt by Claire Anderson, 27 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 1: and she talks about this. She writes about how the 28 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: explorer's gaze has been generically and literally a man's gaze 29 00:01:51,800 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: because at that time she's writing about the Victorian era, 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: travel outside of Europe was mostly a male experience. By definition, 31 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: travel outside of the homeland was identified as masculine and 32 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: was carried out by heroic explorers. And then she goes 33 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:12,440 Speaker 1: on to talk about how ideologically and culturally our idea 34 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: of travel and exploration has often been the province of masculinity, 35 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: founded on designations of entitlement, autonomy, and agency and emblematized 36 00:02:23,639 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: by male members of the moneyed classes. That's a lot, right, 37 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: and and it's if you go back to the episode 38 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 1: that we did on Coffee, we kind of touched on 39 00:02:32,440 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 1: this in that episode, talking about how men were the 40 00:02:35,400 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: ones and a lot of times it was the upper class, 41 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: uh genteel gentleman who would go off and explore and 42 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: learn about this new hot beverage and and bring it 43 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: back and talk about their explorations. And so it very 44 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: much was considered a masculine thing, because why would women, 45 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,640 Speaker 1: with all of their heavy skirts and their need to 46 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: be in the home sphere, why would they be traveling 47 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: out especially alone. Yeah, there's some very real gendered not 48 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: just baggage but luggage with this idea of exploration and 49 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: what it means more broadly beyond just stepping out beyond 50 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: your own doorstep. But there were though, a number of 51 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:20,600 Speaker 1: women who violated those Victorian gender norms and set out 52 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: to explore. And one that we wanted to talk about 53 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: for a minute was Harriett Chalmers Adams, who was born 54 00:03:28,440 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: in California in eighteen seventy five. She was self taught, 55 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: kind of raised in the California Mountains and rode horseback 56 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: when she was an adult along the routes of Columbus 57 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: and the Spanish conquistadors because she was kind of obsessed 58 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,880 Speaker 1: with this idea of Spanish colonialism, and she ended up 59 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: founding the Society of Women Geographers. Yeah, and she was 60 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 1: actually inspired by her father, who was a Scottish engineer, 61 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 1: who took her on a trip throughout California on horseback 62 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: when girlfriend was eight years old. So she had it 63 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: instilled in her from a very young age. And I 64 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: love seeing how, even back then, how important it is 65 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,640 Speaker 1: for someone in a young girl's life to show her 66 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: the way literally and figuratively when it comes to anything 67 00:04:15,520 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: along the lines of exploration, stem if we're if we're 68 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: looking talking about more recent developments, but anyway, Yeah. She 69 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: She was one of four other women who founded the 70 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 1: Society of Women Geographers in nine and by the end 71 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,760 Speaker 1: of her life, Adams had visited every country with a 72 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: Spanish or Portuguese connection, in addition to all of the 73 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: other countries she visited to. Yeah. And Adams was known 74 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 1: as the foremost female explorer of her day, and one 75 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,359 Speaker 1: quote of hers that jumped out to us was her saying, 76 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: I've wondered why men have so absolutely monopolized the field 77 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 1: of exploration. Why did women never go to the Arctic 78 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: try for one pole or the other. I've never found 79 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: my sex and Hindrance never faced a difficulty with to 80 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: a woman as well as a man could not surmount, 81 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 1: never felt a fear of danger, never lacked courage to 82 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: protect myself. So Adam's clearly he was quite a tough woman. 83 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: But but it's interesting to hear her asking these questions 84 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: that I think some people still ask today. Yeah, as 85 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: my family would say, she's got a little bit of 86 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: that Scotch contrariness that we have in the urban family 87 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: as well. Um, but we should also talk about mountaineer 88 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: Annie Smith Peck. She is these self proclaimed if we 89 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 1: want to talk about self assured women out there in 90 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: this era, she has the self proclaimed queen of climbing 91 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: who in climbed twenty four thousand feet, which is higher 92 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 1: than any man or woman at the time. And Peck 93 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,919 Speaker 1: would probably qualify a little bit more as an adventurer 94 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: than and explorer, someone who's going out to collect information 95 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: about an unknown land and then bring it back. Her 96 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: thing was more scaling these mountains. And she was clearly 97 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:03,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of a feminist as well, because in 98 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:08,599 Speaker 1: nineteen eleven she climbed Peru's second highest peak and planted 99 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: a votes for women's side on its summit. Awesome. And 100 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: Caroline is sitting across from me fist pumping right now. 101 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: I mean, it's so awesome. And this woman even had 102 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 1: a peak in was Garan named after her. And she 103 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: also has an awesome quote that we wanted to share 104 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: talking about men and women going mountain climbing, being mountaineers 105 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: and what they wear when they go do this. She says, men, 106 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 1: as we all know, climbing knickerbockers. Women, on the contrary, 107 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,040 Speaker 1: will declare that a skirt is no hindrance to their locomotion. 108 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, cool, women can achieve things in 109 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 1: skirts do And then she's like, this is obviously absurd. 110 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,320 Speaker 1: For a woman in difficult mountaineering to waste her strength 111 00:06:50,360 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: and endanger her life with a skirt is foolish in 112 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: the extreme. So yeah, you could say that she's on 113 00:06:56,120 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: the whole dress reform bandwagon. Yeah. And just to round 114 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: out this trio of early women explorers and travelers examples, 115 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: we have Isabella Bird Bishop, who was the first woman 116 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: inducted into the Royal Geographical Society in eight and she 117 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 1: was one of the premier travel writers of her day 118 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:23,160 Speaker 1: and the author of A Lady's Life in the Rocky 119 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 1: Mountains and apparently it was a big deal when she 120 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,120 Speaker 1: was riding horseback through the Rockies that she did so 121 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: not side saddle but a stride. Uh huh. Nice talk 122 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: about I mean like these women in terms of even 123 00:07:36,440 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: just riding horsebacker stride or in pects case, wearing the 124 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: knickerbockers instead of address these women who were having to 125 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: violate gender norms over and over again in the name 126 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: of expanding their worlds and also expanding the public's world 127 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 1: right bringing back this information exactly showing that women can 128 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:58,960 Speaker 1: do it too, but not everybody was having it. Women 129 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 1: were typically exclude, for instance, from exploration in Antarctica, which 130 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: has been referred to as the most inconvenient boys club 131 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:10,000 Speaker 1: in the world, and a lot of this is because 132 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: funding tended to come from scientific and military organizations, which 133 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: they themselves, of course, excluded women. So men provide the funding, 134 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 1: men received the funding, and then to top it off, 135 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: The Esteemed Explorers Club, which was founded in nineteen o four, 136 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 1: remained all male for seventy seven years and finally gender 137 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 1: desegregated in nineteen eighty one, and its first female members 138 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: included Sylvia Earl, Diane Fosse, Rita Matthews, Anna Roosevelt, and 139 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 1: Katherine Sullivan, which are names that will probably pop up 140 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 1: over the next few weeks as we dig deeper into 141 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: notable female explorers. And in two thousand, the Explorers Club 142 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: elected its first female president, Fania L. Rose. And it's 143 00:08:56,440 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: funny on their website they have the timeline of the 144 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: Explorers Club and at the very bottom of the web 145 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:08,400 Speaker 1: page talking given going through their history, they say, and 146 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: then finally in the eighties, we brought in our newest 147 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: group of explorers, who, of course or women. But then 148 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: you go back to you know, Isabella Bird who was 149 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: being inducted into the Royal Geographical Society in what was 150 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: that the eighteen sixties, and it was clear they were 151 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,480 Speaker 1: kind of trying to cover their tracks a little bit, 152 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: being like, oh, yeah, oh, yes, since women had never 153 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 1: been out of the house before, there are there, there 154 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:38,719 Speaker 1: are new members. But yeah, so so let's look at 155 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: some of the incredible firsts that women have achieved in exploration, 156 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: because they have been everywhere from the sky space uh 157 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: and and a little bit below in zeppelin's depending on 158 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: what sort of vessel they're traveling, and all the way 159 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: to the bottom of the ocean and everywhere in between. 160 00:09:54,840 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: So let's talk about that. Yeah, because the question of well, 161 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 1: where have women explorers been every where? So take for instance, 162 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,959 Speaker 1: Christina Channelska Liskowitz, who was the first woman to sail 163 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,160 Speaker 1: solo around the world, starting and ending at the Canary 164 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 1: Islands in nineteen seventies six. Yeah, and then you have 165 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:19,880 Speaker 1: a woman who has all the names Grace Marguerite, Hey, Drummond, 166 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: Hay or we'll just call her Lady Drummonday if you 167 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: want to. But anyway, she's a crackajack reporter and the 168 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: first woman to fly around the world, which she did 169 00:10:29,160 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: buy zeppelin in And if you Google image search this woman, 170 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: which I highly recommend, there are pictures of her because 171 00:10:39,000 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 1: she not only was this amazing explorer, but she was 172 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: also quite a fancy lady. She's also very beautiful. She 173 00:10:45,960 --> 00:10:50,199 Speaker 1: also donned as incredible like leather and fleece coat, so 174 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 1: very much. She was very much dressed for the role 175 00:10:52,320 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: of explorer. She's also in an ad for Lucky Strike 176 00:10:56,559 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: cigarettes with the quote above her saying something, I'll smoke 177 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:03,840 Speaker 1: a Lucky instead of eating sweets. So there's some ba 178 00:11:03,880 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: advertising trivia there for you, Lady Drummond. Hey, my goodness, 179 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: She's also two of this early type of female journalists 180 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: who traveled a lot. It was a big deal. Nellie Bligh, 181 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: whom we'll talk about in an upcoming episode, is sort 182 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: of her predecessor in the sense of being a journalist 183 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 1: who really made her name not just through her writing 184 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: but also through her traveling. Uh. And then moving on though, 185 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: we have Annie London Berry kop Chovsky, who was the 186 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:40,440 Speaker 1: first woman to bicycle around the world, and she similarly 187 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: was a writer like Lady Drummond Hey and a self 188 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 1: described new woman, which I think some of this her 189 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: self politicizing had to do with the fact that she 190 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 1: bicycled around the world, because one of her quotes, in 191 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,800 Speaker 1: a similar vein as what we quoted from Harriet Chalmers 192 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:01,880 Speaker 1: Adams a few minutes ago, was about how she can 193 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:04,520 Speaker 1: do anything that a guy can do. She said, I'm 194 00:12:04,559 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: a new woman if by that it means that I 195 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: think that I can I'm capable of doing whatever a 196 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: man is capable of doing. Awesome on a bicycle especially, 197 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 1: we need to make like a trading cards series, don't 198 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 1: you think with all of these women on them and 199 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 1: their quotes. Yeah, I would totally get one of those 200 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: baseball card books and collect them. Um. Anyway, we also 201 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: have a Junko Taipei, who is the first woman to 202 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: reach the summit of Everest, which she did in nineteen 203 00:12:32,160 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: seventy five. And don't worry, we will be providing pool 204 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: anymore mountaineering information in a future episode for this series, 205 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,720 Speaker 1: So just hold tight. And one thing to remember too 206 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: about exploration is that it doesn't just take place on Earth, 207 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: but it also includes exploration in space. So we have 208 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:55,600 Speaker 1: to give a nod to Russian Valentina Tereshkova, who was 209 00:12:55,679 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 1: the first woman in space. We got up there in 210 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty three. And you know earlier we mentioned that 211 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: women were excluded from Arctic missions. Well, Live Arniston became 212 00:13:10,440 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: the first woman to make it to the South Pole alone. 213 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: Can you imagine being at the South Pole alone? I 214 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: bet it's so quiet? Yeah, except I mean, like except 215 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: for polar bears. I guess seven or and as uh oh, 216 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: Santa's at the North Pole. Yeah mind. I was about 217 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: to say, well, maybe the South Pole is his vacation home. Yeah, 218 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: maybe so maybe? Okay. Well, then there's also Fiona Campbell, 219 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,360 Speaker 1: who became the first woman to walk around the world 220 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:43,920 Speaker 1: from nineteen eighty three to yeah, well it took her 221 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,040 Speaker 1: eleven years because she was on foot. That takes a while. 222 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: That would take quite a while, eleven years to be precise. 223 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: But the thing about it is she almost walked around 224 00:13:55,400 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: the world. She later came out and confessed that she 225 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,280 Speaker 1: fibbed about sucking a thousand of those miles because it 226 00:14:02,320 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: turns out she was pregnant and so walking was a 227 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,600 Speaker 1: bit difficult. And then she later went and had an 228 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,839 Speaker 1: abortion while she was doing this journey, and people were 229 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: really awful to her about the whole thing, and she 230 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:19,520 Speaker 1: sort of dropped out of public life after that. So 231 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:24,119 Speaker 1: more of a very fraught story of a female adventurer. 232 00:14:24,200 --> 00:14:26,680 Speaker 1: And again, Campbell is an example of one who would 233 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: be more of an adventurer than an explorer, because when 234 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: we think about exploration today, it has a lot to 235 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: do with stem fields, or science, technology, engineering, and math. 236 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,920 Speaker 1: And one woman who really stresses this connection between exploration 237 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: and the stem fields is the very impressive Milbury Poke, 238 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: who founded and is the director emeritus of the group 239 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: Wings World Quest, which works really hard to raise money 240 00:14:57,000 --> 00:15:01,000 Speaker 1: for women explorers and get their story out there. Because 241 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 1: she talks about the importance of basically different viewpoints, and 242 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: how you have to have women involved to get sort 243 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: of all of the information that could possibly help humanity, right, 244 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: and that requires exploration, going outside of labs and getting 245 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: into the natural world and collecting samples, bringing some of 246 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: those samples back to labs, reporting from the field. And 247 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: she went on Bloomberg not too long ago to talk 248 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:34,880 Speaker 1: about wings World Quest, and she mentioned how people tend 249 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: to think of exploration as being about big geographical continents 250 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: or undiscovered tribes, but actually exploration is about everything from 251 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: the infinitesimal to the universe. Yeah, And so she talks 252 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: about how when you look at magazines like Science News, 253 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: that they're publishing all of these discoveries across a vast 254 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: range of topics, and so she says it's very important 255 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: that we look and listen to explorers because they are 256 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: the people on the forefront making the discoveries that help 257 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: the rest of us make informed decisions about how we 258 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: go forward. And so that being said, how important it 259 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: is then that women be included in those discoveries, because 260 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: I mean, we've talked about this in terms of the workplace, 261 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,240 Speaker 1: in terms of politics and world leadership. That if you 262 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: don't have the viewpoint of half of the population. Everybody suffers, right, 263 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: And this is also why we are making the distinction 264 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: between explorers and adventurers, because, as Caroline and I both 265 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: admitted at the top of the podcast, we, like probably 266 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 1: a lot of other people, imagine explores more along the 267 00:16:40,840 --> 00:16:45,400 Speaker 1: lines of Tunko Taipei, whose mission was to climb to 268 00:16:45,440 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: the top of Mount Everest and climb back down, not 269 00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: so much in the sense of exploration, for the purpose 270 00:16:52,680 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 1: of broadening our knowledge of STEM. And Pulp talked about 271 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: too how it's a challenge for her and wings World 272 00:17:01,520 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 1: Quest to not just make that connection between exploration and STEM, 273 00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 1: but then from there make the connection between STEM and women, 274 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: because she says, a lot of times, we probably don't 275 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 1: think about women as explorers, going back to that first 276 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: quote that we tossed out the top of the podcast 277 00:17:19,720 --> 00:17:23,520 Speaker 1: about how exploration has long been considered this masculine pursuit, 278 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: but there's also this underlying connection of we also don't 279 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,920 Speaker 1: think of women as scientists. So if we don't think 280 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: of women as scientists, then of course we're not going 281 00:17:34,320 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: to think of them as these explorers who are going 282 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,439 Speaker 1: out in the field to collect that scientific data. And 283 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: then circling back to when we were talking about Harriet 284 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: Chalmers Adams, who we talked about her father was an 285 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 1: engineer who inspired her love of exploration, took her on 286 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,240 Speaker 1: those horseback adventures, and how important it is to have 287 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 1: someone in a young girl's life, whether it is the 288 00:17:55,640 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 1: nineteenth century or whether it's the twenty first century. Polpe 289 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:02,200 Speaker 1: talks about how portant it is to both get these 290 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 1: women out in the field as explorers and to fund 291 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: their explorations because they can then serve as role models 292 00:18:07,680 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: to young girls. And she says, really to everybody, because 293 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 1: it's my belief that everybody's an explorer. Well, and the 294 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: big thing she was hammering home to was the fact 295 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,080 Speaker 1: that they have a flag that the explorers take out 296 00:18:19,160 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: with them, and she says that the flag is important 297 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 1: because it's the symbol of women going into the field 298 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 1: to make a discovery, or under the ocean, under the 299 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 1: ocean that's in the ocean, and there's a picture of 300 00:18:32,720 --> 00:18:36,920 Speaker 1: one of the Wings World Quest explorers with the dragging 301 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: the flag underwater as they swim. Yeah, and I mean 302 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:42,680 Speaker 1: that ends up going back to Annie smith Peck, who 303 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: you know, put that flag on top of the mountain 304 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: and Peru saying votes for women. So it's important to 305 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: get that image out there in people's minds. And it's 306 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 1: not just Wings World Quest who is out there supporting 307 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 1: women explorers. There's also the National Geographic Young Explorers Grant, 308 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: which if go to their web page, I was pleasantly 309 00:19:02,880 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 1: surprised to see a broad representation of women explorers that 310 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: they are funding. There's also the Explorers Club, finally gender 311 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: de segregated in nineteen eighty one, that does offer grants 312 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: for high school students through doctorate students in addition to 313 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: early post stoc explorers. Because what can also be challenging 314 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: speaking of doctorate students is that a lot of explorers 315 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: seem to be self taught, and if you aren't under 316 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,840 Speaker 1: the umbrella of some kind of academic organization and are 317 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,480 Speaker 1: able to get funding that way, someone might go for 318 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:41,679 Speaker 1: a corporate sponsorship. So you can get companies which have 319 00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:47,400 Speaker 1: in the past sponsored explorers giving them equipment, such as Rolex, 320 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 1: Polar Tech, Gore, and land Rover, which really that combination 321 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,679 Speaker 1: just makes it sound like someone's going on a super 322 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 1: lux safari fancistic explorations. But these are the kinds of 323 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: companies so that make tough, high end goods that can 324 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: withstand harsh conditions. So if you are, like say a 325 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: Live Arniston, the first woman to make it to the 326 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: South Pole alone, hopefully you're gonna go with rock solid 327 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: equipment like GPS and radios and hopefully podcast machines. Caroline, 328 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: that's right up with a crank, Yeah, maybe a flashlight 329 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 1: attack a podcast victrola to keep you company in the wild. 330 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: But I mean, speaking of Live Arniston, her bff and 331 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: Bancroft has started the and Bancroft and Bancroft Foundation, which 332 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 1: is granted specific to Minnesota, but it actually funds a 333 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:44,879 Speaker 1: lot of awesome exploration adventures for young girls, So it's 334 00:20:44,920 --> 00:20:49,040 Speaker 1: sort of to encourage them to pursue this field. And 335 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't have anything else really to list there, 336 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 1: because there's not a whole lot of women's specific exploration 337 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 1: funding groups out there. Well. I think it is partially 338 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: because of the public perception of what an explorer is. 339 00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:07,840 Speaker 1: I think that we forget that there are still modern 340 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: day explorers whose livelihood is doing this kind of work, 341 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,840 Speaker 1: and I think that we don't at least you know, again, myself. 342 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,480 Speaker 1: I didn't hadn't made the connection between exploration and the 343 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,960 Speaker 1: stem fields we talk about so much. But there are 344 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: so many modern day female explorer role models for girls 345 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,240 Speaker 1: and other women to look up to. And if we 346 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: want to talk about literally looking up, let's talk about 347 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:38,160 Speaker 1: a couple of space explorers. There's Katie Coleman, who has 348 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: logged more than four thousand, three hundred thirty hours in 349 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 1: space aboard the Space Shuttle Columbia and the International Space Station. 350 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 1: And May Jimmison, who was the first African American woman 351 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: astronaut who actually left NASA in and she and Coleman 352 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: are now working together to promote space exploration and based travel. 353 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: And Caroline and I may or may not have seen 354 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: them speak at a conference earlier in and it was 355 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 1: very exciting to see those explorers on stage talking And 356 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: we may or may not have been sitting next to 357 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: them for half of the day not realizing who they were, 358 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:17,199 Speaker 1: and totally geeked out when they got on stage and 359 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,919 Speaker 1: we realized who had been our seat mates for a 360 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 1: couple hours. Um, but yeah, we really, we really wanted 361 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: to highlight a couple of names. For you. Looking at 362 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: everything from the bottom of the ocean two, outer space, 363 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,959 Speaker 1: just to prove as if we had to, but just 364 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: to prove to you that there are so many women 365 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: out there at every level of exploration. So if you 366 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 1: look at ecology, there's someone like Grace Gobo who's an 367 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: ethnobotanist working to preserve natural plant remedies and habitats in Tanzania. 368 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: So she's researching plants for you know, maybe people who 369 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: don't have access to drugs pharmaceuticals and who need the 370 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: healing powers of plants in their native countries. And then 371 00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:59,160 Speaker 1: if we look at one of the fields that young 372 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 1: Caroline wanted to enter as a as a small person 373 00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: who imagined herself to be Indiana Jones, we've got to 374 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: look at paleontology, and we have to talk about the 375 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,719 Speaker 1: amazing Sue Hendrickson, who she's not only a paleontologist, she's 376 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 1: also a marine archaeologist, I mean m b D. So 377 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,959 Speaker 1: she has found everything from shipwrecks with treasure to ancient 378 00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:25,760 Speaker 1: sunken cities to the world's largest and most complete Trannosaurus 379 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: Rex skeleton in nineteen ninety oh and also Hendrickson never 380 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: went to college. She was one of those many Explorers 381 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: who was completely self taught, as in a self taught 382 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: fossil hunter, marine archaeologist, adventurer, and explorer. In other words, 383 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: it sounds like Sue Hendrickson has kind of the coolest 384 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,840 Speaker 1: life ever. I think so, I think that's safe to say, 385 00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:51,119 Speaker 1: but I mean, speaking of the ocean, we also have 386 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,400 Speaker 1: to talk about Sylvia Earle, who her biography is ginormous. 387 00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 1: This woman is the National Geographic Society Explorer in Residence. 388 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:01,960 Speaker 1: She's led more than one hundred expeditions, logged more than 389 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: seven thousand hours under water. She set a record for 390 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,680 Speaker 1: solo diving in one thousand meter depth. She's formerly the 391 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: chief scientist at Noah. She's the founder of the Deep 392 00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: Ocean Exploration and Research Inc. On and on and on. 393 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: This woman is incredible. And if her name sounds familiar, 394 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 1: it's because she was one of the first women admitted 395 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 1: to the Explorers Club when they started letting women in 396 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: the gates in ninety one. And two names that have 397 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,639 Speaker 1: also come up already in the podcast Live Arniston and 398 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: Ann Bancroft are sort of the two leading women of 399 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,720 Speaker 1: Arctic exploration these days. Together they were the first women 400 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: to ski across Antarctica in two thousand one, and they've 401 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: teamed up to establish Bancroft Arniston Explore, which is a 402 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:55,960 Speaker 1: for profit company dedicated to supporting and promoting women's expeditions. So, 403 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 1: I mean, how many different disciplines did we just took off? There? 404 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: We were talking about space, ecologe, paleontology, oceanography, and Arctic exploration. 405 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: I mean, clearly the ven diagram between stem and exploration 406 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: intersect so much. It encapsulates so much of our world, right, 407 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: And what's so great to see two is that so 408 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,880 Speaker 1: many people like Live Arniston an Am Bancroft, for instance, 409 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 1: are doing everything that they can to get other women 410 00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 1: and young girls interested in this stuff and to show 411 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: them that there's so much out there yet to explore. 412 00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: It's it reminds me of and I don't know if 413 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,919 Speaker 1: I've shared this before, but it reminds me of my 414 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,199 Speaker 1: freshman year roommate who when I told her that I 415 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: was thinking about majoring in archaeology, she told me that 416 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: why everything's already been found? Oh no, she needs to 417 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: talk to Milbury polk She needs to talk to Milbury Polke, 418 00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 1: And she could talk to any of these other women 419 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 1: who would poo poo that notion well, because that was 420 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: one of the questions that a bloom or host had 421 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 1: for Polk when she was talking about wings world, quest 422 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 1: basically asking what is left to explore, and her answer 423 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 1: was everything we can. We will never know everything there 424 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 1: is to know about the world and the universe, And 425 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: so I cheer every time there is a story in 426 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: the news about another species being found, another galaxy, another 427 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,680 Speaker 1: dinosaur skeleton, anything, another lost city, anything. I I think 428 00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 1: of my my old roommate, and I cheer a little 429 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,199 Speaker 1: bit well. And in terms of we, we've talked a 430 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:38,199 Speaker 1: lot too about the importance of visibility and when it 431 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: comes to girls, they not only have this roster of 432 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: female explorers, but there was a recent development from LEGO 433 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,760 Speaker 1: that they are coming out with this new line of 434 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: female scientists, which are also explorers in a way because 435 00:26:55,440 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: it's a trio of an astronomer, a paleontologist, and a chemist, 436 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: all of which do exploratory work. Yeah, and I love that. 437 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 1: The geochemist and LEGO enthusiast who submitted this proposal to LEGO, 438 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: Dr Ellen Kushman, said the motto of these scientists is clear, 439 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:19,760 Speaker 1: explore the world. And beyond, and so there you go. 440 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I love that. You know, Lego has been 441 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: doing a lot recently. We've talked about them before with 442 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: Lego friends, for instance, to encourage girls to play with 443 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: Legos developed their you know, sensory skills and all that stuff. Um, 444 00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: And so I love that Lego is getting into the 445 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: game with these mini fig explorers who, you know, say 446 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: what you will about pink or not, but you know 447 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 1: they're not pink. They look like all the rest of 448 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 1: the Lego minifigs. Yeah. Well, I hope that this kickoff 449 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,479 Speaker 1: episode is gotten folks excited about learning more about Women Explores, 450 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: because it's gotten me excited, Caroline. And for the next month, 451 00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 1: we're going to be highlighting, in three separate up episodes, 452 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 1: women who explore the land and the mountains, women who 453 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,400 Speaker 1: explore the oceans deep, and women who explore the Arctic 454 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: frozen lands. And we'll be digging deeper into the women 455 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,439 Speaker 1: both past and present who have made the significant and 456 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 1: trailblazing contributions to what we know about those geographical areas 457 00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 1: and those different ecologies. And so I think it's gonna 458 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 1: be a really fun summer. It's gonna be a good 459 00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: time and it makes me want to go get my 460 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: my knapsack and some trail mix and and hit the 461 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,800 Speaker 1: dusty trail. Yes, maybe get a magnifying glass sounds perfect, 462 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,760 Speaker 1: or one of those GPS machines. Indeed, maybe you can 463 00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: get Rolex to sponsor you perfect well. In the meantime, 464 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,960 Speaker 1: if there are any neat female explorers that we haven't 465 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,640 Speaker 1: mentioned that you would like to share with us, or 466 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,480 Speaker 1: if you are a stem explorer or just an adventurer 467 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: and not just an adventurer unad insurer, what you want 468 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,840 Speaker 1: to hear from you. Mom Stuff at how stuff works 469 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:06,440 Speaker 1: dot com is where you can email us photos of 470 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: amazing places that you have been are always welcome as well. 471 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: You can also tweet us a mom Stuff podcast or 472 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: messages on Facebook. And we got a couple of messages 473 00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: to share with you right now. Well, I have a 474 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 1: letter here from Erica. She's providing us some book recommendations 475 00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: for people interested in sort of getting an introduction to feminism, 476 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,640 Speaker 1: because we had read a letter from a young woman 477 00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 1: who wanted to get her cousin a book to introduce 478 00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: her to the idea of feminism that maybe wasn't in 479 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 1: your face or preachy, something that was easy for her 480 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: to relate to, and so Erica says, I would definitely 481 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:50,320 Speaker 1: recommend Full Frontal Feminism by Jessica Valenti to the viewer 482 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: who wrote in asking about feminist books. It is an 483 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 1: amazing book written fairly conversationally, so it's an easy read. 484 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: It made me laugh while still providing detailed and relevant 485 00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,760 Speaker 1: information of out modern feminism. So thanks for the recommendation, Erica. Well, 486 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: I gotta let her hear from Daniel about our episode 487 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 1: on gay weddings, which we should have called same sex weddings. 488 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 1: He writes, I listened to the Gay Weddings Tradition podcast 489 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 1: and wanted to tell you how much I appreciate y'all 490 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: taking the time to talk about this topic. I did 491 00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,480 Speaker 1: want to mention and you were pretty good about it, 492 00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: and I think just slipped in a few places that 493 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: calling it gay weddings is a bit cringe. E try 494 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 1: to stick with same sex weddings since gay people aren't 495 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 1: the only ones who are gaining the right to marry 496 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:36,600 Speaker 1: with these laws. For example, bisexuals and pan sexuals. A 497 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 1: wedding between two bisexuals who are the same gender isn't 498 00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 1: a gay wedding, same as a wedding between two bisexuals 499 00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,960 Speaker 1: of different genders. Isn't a straight wedding? You get me? Yeah, 500 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: we totally get you, Daniel. Um and he continues also 501 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: about straight couples standing in solidarity with same sex couples 502 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: and holding off on marriage. I think it's a sweet sentiment, 503 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,240 Speaker 1: but it really sours when they eventually give in and 504 00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: just marry. Anyway, I went to a wedding recently and 505 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: the couple decided to donate the money they would have 506 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 1: spent on things like extravagant decor and party favors towards 507 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: organizations that fight for marriage equality. I think the safest 508 00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200 Speaker 1: bet is to put your money where your mouth is. 509 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 1: If you support marriage equality, do something about it. They 510 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: also had as guests two of our friends who had 511 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: gotten married in another state since marriage equality hasn't made 512 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: it to Florida yet, and had them cut the cake 513 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 1: with them, which I thought was adorable. And yes, that 514 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 1: is adorable. 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