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Speaker 1: Fishbike's podcast.

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Speaker 2: I'm arm late in your host and I'm joined by

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Speaker 2: Adam mcinturf, the assistant director of scouting for twenty eighty Baseball.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be really fun today.

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Speaker 2: A lot of prospect analysis to talk about. Last time

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Speaker 2: I had you on, it was before the draft. We're

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Speaker 2: talking about guys that could potentially be selected by the Marlins. Now,

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Speaker 2: obviously we got to see all of these guys, these

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Speaker 2: young high school bats, you got to see them firsthand.

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Speaker 1: So thank you for being on today. I'm excited to

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Speaker 1: get going.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about the Greensboro guys, We're gonna talk

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Speaker 2: about the guys in the Yellis trade.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have a little bit of buyer sell.

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Speaker 2: On some prospects that had some good seasons, but whether

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Speaker 2: we think it's gonna stay or go. And so once again,

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Speaker 2: thank you for coming on, Adam.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my pleasure should be fun. It'step going.

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Speaker 1: It's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's been an interesting season so far in

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Speaker 2: pro ball for the Marlins. Of course, a lot of

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Speaker 2: people paying attention to the minor leagues, not much to

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Speaker 2: watch in the major leagues. A lot of prospects that

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Speaker 2: we've seen developed slowly here a farm system that went

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Speaker 2: from the basement of the league now to the middle

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Speaker 2: of the pack. I would say, you guys just put

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Speaker 2: out a pretty good recap of the entire season so

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Speaker 2: far for a lot of the Marlins top prospects, a

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Speaker 2: lot of guys you saw firsthand and your grades on them,

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Speaker 2: and we will have that linked in the article and

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Speaker 2: we will have it shared on our site where you

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Speaker 2: can check that out. But we'll be talking about a

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Speaker 2: lot of those guys. First and foremost Connor Scott, first

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Speaker 2: round pick, thirteenth overall. You saw him plenty this season. Obviously,

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Speaker 2: young eighteen years old, has a lot to figure out,

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Speaker 2: but he was rushed to single A just like Osiris

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Speaker 2: As you said in your rite up, what did you

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Speaker 2: see from Connor Scott? Could you see what the Marlins

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Speaker 2: saw in him from what you saw and what did

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Speaker 2: he really struggle with?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a good name of the three that you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: the three high school bats they took early in the

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Speaker 4: draft this year, Connor Scott, Oh, Cyrus Johnson, and Will Banfield.

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Speaker 4: Like you said, all three got pushed to Class A Greensboro,

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Speaker 4: which is, for those that don't know or don't follow

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Speaker 4: a player of this age and pro experience out of

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Speaker 4: both Complex Ball the GCL, but skipping over the New

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Speaker 4: York Penn League entirely where they have that affiliate in Batavia.

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Speaker 4: I still it's it's still Batavia, right, yes, for now, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I think it is. Yeah, all all these affiliates are

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Speaker 4: moving around this week, you know, so yeah, no, but

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Speaker 4: all all three struggled. But absolutely I saw the appeal

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Speaker 4: of all three. But with Scott, certainly it's a physical frame.

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Speaker 4: I'd say, you know, he's on the thinner side, but

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Speaker 3: He's certainly looks the part in center field.

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Speaker 4: Left handed hitter with loose hands at the plate, type

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Speaker 4: this stuff isn't you know, reason to raise the alarm

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Speaker 4: because he's eighteen. He was playing against high school pitchers,

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Speaker 4: and you know, it was a challenge, and he looked

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Speaker 3: I think you're looking at a guy. To wrap it

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Speaker 4: He's a player that you can see at least four

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Speaker 3: About with him.

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Speaker 4: I don't want to go on and on too much,

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Speaker 4: but I think that it requires projection. But absolutely you

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Speaker 2: So one of the things you guys do a really

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Speaker 2: good job of at twenty eighty baseball is providing really

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Speaker 2: good video of the plays that you're scouting for fans

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, why I saw that for sure.

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Speaker 2: So what was the point of rushing them to single

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Speaker 4: Old, yeah, no, it's true, and especially in the case

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Speaker 3: It was a bit of a head scratcher. I'm not

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Speaker 3: I think if you're a coach on this staff, you're

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Speaker 4: But yeah, it does from the outside seem like a

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Speaker 4: Whether that's really worth it when you consider there are

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I think it probably goes two ways.

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Speaker 4: And you know, that was the guy that hit the

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Speaker 4: So you know, to see Banfield, Johnson and Scott moved

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Speaker 2: And the thing with with Scott thought to wrap up Scott.

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Speaker 2: You see the tools there. He's a little awkward, but

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Speaker 3: Don't think he's as awkward as he looks.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, there's there's some there's some you know, bony

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Speaker 2: And you mentioned you could put up What you said

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Speaker 1: And do you think that that might have been the

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Speaker 4: And I think that's why you saw a guy like

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Speaker 4: I'm not surprised Scott went thirteen, and I think it's

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Speaker 4: Ultimately time will tell, but pushing three seventeen and eighteen

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Speaker 4: And in all three cases, I saw tools that stood

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I've actually gotten more excited about Scott as

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Speaker 4: Scott was to them the whole time, okay for Singer

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Speaker 4: Scott was they they were linked to Scott. I mean,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm mentally prepared for that pretty well, but I

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Speaker 1: But nonetheless, we have a lot of time to tell.

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Speaker 2: And another guy you saw that's even younger than Scott

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Speaker 4: So he put a present thirty on him. But that

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Speaker 4: Something, Sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off. I

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Speaker 4: So Johnson absolutely fits that Bill Scott will be the

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Speaker 1: How good was he defensively?

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Speaker 3: So I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 4: I think the Marlins amateur scouting group deserves quite a

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Speaker 2: a game I loved pretty much everybody about its personality.

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00:22:09,320 --> 00:22:15,000
Speaker 2: He definitely had that, absolutely absolutely, and he had those

440
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:19,640
Speaker 2: those intangibles that made you feel really good about what

441
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 2: he could potentially do in a game like baseball, where

442
00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: it can get so difficult, especially in the minor leagues,

443
00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 2: or you feel like you're almost hitting the wall sometimes,

444
00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:29,159
Speaker 2: to have a guy like that that you can tell

445
00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 2: is mentally tough. He's going to put his head down

446
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,359
Speaker 2: and not shy away from anybody as an eighteen year

447
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,920
Speaker 2: old in pro ball, and that's something that I'm really

448
00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:38,280
Speaker 2: excited to see him develop as he goes on and

449
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 2: I think the three high school picks here to wrap

450
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,320
Speaker 2: it up, is pretty much a vote of confidence in

451
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,640
Speaker 2: gary denbo in the in the new emphasis on player

452
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:49,679
Speaker 2: development that we're seeing here. But we're going to continue

453
00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:52,840
Speaker 2: in Greensboro, but move on from these. From these draft

454
00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:55,400
Speaker 2: picks here, a guy that you've talked about a little

455
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 2: bit and done a little bit of a profile on,

456
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:01,879
Speaker 2: Edward Cabrera, kind of emerged on a nowhere international free agent,

457
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 2: obviously extremely volatile. You've tabbed him as high risk, but

458
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,120
Speaker 2: also you've tabbed him as a guy that's been a

459
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: pleasant surprise, high view, Oh, some good stuff. What can

460
00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 2: you tell us about Edward Cabrera and what do you

461
00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 2: think made him come out of nowhere and turn into

462
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,359
Speaker 2: somewhat of ay.

463
00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:24,720
Speaker 4: I think he's definitely a prospect we're talking about, and

464
00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 4: in terms of what had him come out of nowhere,

465
00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:30,480
Speaker 4: you know, you mentioned an emphasis on player development, something

466
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 4: I've definitely noticed watching a number of Marlins A philiates

467
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,040
Speaker 4: this year since the Jeter era, there there is a

468
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 4: tangible difference in the energy and focus on the developmental aspect,

469
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:43,240
Speaker 4: and I think you're going to see them start to

470
00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,560
Speaker 4: cultivate more out of this pipeline as a result.

471
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: Cabrera.

472
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: You know, I think guys with this body type and

473
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:53,400
Speaker 4: guys with this skill set, he's right at the age

474
00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 4: where they start to just get better. And I think

475
00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:02,080
Speaker 4: he's going from a skinny, athletic, lessent really maybe sixteen

476
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 4: seventeen year old, to a little bit more of a

477
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:10,359
Speaker 4: physically developed nineteen twenty year old, and with that comes

478
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 4: the gaines and stuff that probably, you know, we're expected,

479
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 4: And I know I've talked to some people from the organization.

480
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,399
Speaker 4: This guy's had fans in the order for a long time,

481
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 4: and I think that their Dominican folks were pretty well

482
00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 4: aware of the upside that he had, So I think

483
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 4: for people that have been around the player for a

484
00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 4: little bit longer, they aren't as surprised that he kind

485
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,280
Speaker 4: of broke out and showed the stuff he.

486
00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 3: Did this year as I was.

487
00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I didn't know much about him going

488
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 4: into this year, but like you said, I did tab

489
00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:45,239
Speaker 4: him as a pleasant surprise. He's your you know, your

490
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: typical hard throwing, projectable athletics six four six five type,

491
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 4: lean and wiry runs as fastball as high as ninety

492
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:56,680
Speaker 4: seven ninety eight miles an hour and sits in the

493
00:24:56,760 --> 00:25:00,719
Speaker 4: mid nineties with pretty lively armed side movement.

494
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 3: He's moved from a slider to a.

495
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 4: True curveball around the middle of this year, and it

496
00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 4: was a much much better pitch. That's both according to

497
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,800
Speaker 4: all their pitching coaches and frankly what I saw too.

498
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 4: But really the takeaway because I saw Cabrera early in

499
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,280
Speaker 4: the season, I saw him late. The takeaway from the

500
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 4: staff with Greensboro was how much of a better pitch

501
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 4: it was as a true curveball than a slider.

502
00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 3: He overthrows a.

503
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,920
Speaker 4: Change up like high eighties type, but that flash good

504
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 4: action even though he overthrows it.

505
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 3: I think that pitch is potential too.

506
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 4: So you know, there's the standard issues with control and

507
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 4: command with a teenage hard thrower that you know that

508
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,200
Speaker 4: kind of is expected with this profile. But at the

509
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,480
Speaker 4: end of the day, this is a young arm that's

510
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 4: running up in the high nineties and flashing to a

511
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 4: speed pitches in misbats, and for that reason, he's you know,

512
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,959
Speaker 4: one of the highest ceiling arms in the system. I'd

513
00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 4: probably say certainly the highest ceiling arm in the low

514
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 4: miners that they have in the system right now, at

515
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:00,679
Speaker 4: least for me.

516
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:05,679
Speaker 1: And do you think.

517
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: Cabrera is a guy that could definitely project into a

518
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 2: starter or would he fall back.

519
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 4: Into kind of Yeah, that's a good call. I think

520
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 4: it's he'll have every chance to develop as a starter.

521
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:20,919
Speaker 4: I saw games he you know, was starting to make developments,

522
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,120
Speaker 4: repeating his delivery a little bit better, commanding his fastball

523
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,080
Speaker 4: a little bit better by season's end. But no, I

524
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 4: don't want to say he's a reliever for sure, But

525
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:34,119
Speaker 4: this type of pitcher, especially at this age, it's generally

526
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:37,639
Speaker 4: pretty variable profile. So I wouldn't say he's a slam

527
00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 4: dunk to be a starter, but it's big lead stuff,

528
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 4: and I do think this is a big lead arm

529
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 4: in some capacity and a guy that Marlin's prospect followers

530
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 4: should get to know for sure.

531
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 2: Another guy that flashed some impressive tools but also got

532
00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:59,360
Speaker 2: roughed up a little bit.

533
00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,200
Speaker 1: Is ever Rogers struck out as many as twelve in

534
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,719
Speaker 1: one outing. I mean that's not a fluke.

535
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: His strikeout numbers are great, averaged well over a strikeout

536
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: per inning. What do you think about Trevor Rodgers so

537
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,440
Speaker 2: far from his first pro season? From what you've seen

538
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 2: from him, and do you think that this is a

539
00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: guy that really looks like the first.

540
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:23,919
Speaker 1: Round pick that the Marlins took a chance.

541
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: I mean, you see why he went where he did

542
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 4: in the draft for sure, in terms of being a

543
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: lefty with that body type and the tantalizing stuff and

544
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 4: misbat ability, Like, yeah, i'd see I see why he

545
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:42,119
Speaker 4: went where he did in the draft. I saw him

546
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 4: a couple of times this year with Greensboro. Thankfully, you know,

547
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 4: they had a lot of talent coming through that roster

548
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 4: this year, so they were a nice watch in a

549
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 4: stack South Atlantic league this year. Actually, it was a

550
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 4: nice year in that league. But you know, Rogers was inconsistent.

551
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 4: He had time where he showed those flashes. As you mentioned,

552
00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,879
Speaker 4: it's a six foot five, six foot six lefty with

553
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 4: a tough slot to pick up on a lot of

554
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 4: moving parts coming at you. With the fastball that touched

555
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 4: you know ninety four, I I got him his eyes

556
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,600
Speaker 4: like ninety five. People say he was a little better

557
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 4: than that at best this year, but you know, let's

558
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 4: say he's he's a mid nineties lefty at best who

559
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 4: hides the ball, and you know it had had his

560
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,399
Speaker 4: moments with both the slider and change up. I was

561
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 4: actually surprised to find in my looks that the change

562
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 4: up looked a little bit more consistent in the head

563
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 4: of the slider.

564
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have expected that. But you know, I think

565
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 3: the future is bright for him.

566
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 4: He's a little he's he was a little bit old

567
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 4: for the class, like I think, despite being drafted from

568
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 4: high school in twenty seventeen, I think he's already like twenty.

569
00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:53,080
Speaker 4: But that's but that's still plenty young. I mean, we

570
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 4: shouldn't talk about twenty years old. That he's an old man.

571
00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 4: And he's the type of body that takes a couple

572
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 4: of years to grow into anyway, because he was so

573
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: big and dan and gangly coming out.

574
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 3: Of high school. So I don't know.

575
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 4: I think all in all, he's a bit of a

576
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 4: wait and see. But is he definitely a prospect? Absolutely.

577
00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:16,800
Speaker 4: I just think he is absolutely of the high risk,

578
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 4: high reward variety. I kind of been him in the

579
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 4: same category as an Edward Cabrera.

580
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: And do you think he's a guy that could ever

581
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: crack those topics.

582
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 3: I think they both could.

583
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 4: I think both of these guys have the potential to

584
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 4: land on the top one hundred and fifty prospects in

585
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Speaker 4: the game at some point before they get to the

586
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,280
Speaker 4: big leader. Sure, I don't think either of them will

587
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 4: be in the one twenty five for us, but I'll

588
00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 4: say if we built our top prospect list out to

589
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 4: maybe two fifty or three hundred, I do think they

590
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 4: would probably be in that tier. So they're they're high

591
00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 4: upside guys. Like I said, both profiles are pretty variable.

592
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 4: There's risk reward, but I think patients and the upside.

593
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 3: Could be worth waiting on.

594
00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:09,720
Speaker 4: So they're they're both names to follow, and as of now,

595
00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 4: they're synced up in their development. So it'll be nice

596
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 4: to see these two move together throughout the system. I

597
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 4: think they both probably start next year in Jupiter.

598
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:27,640
Speaker 2: With the Marlins pitching situation right now, Sandy Alcantaras started

599
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 2: to look pretty good. Jose Uraniaz started to hit his

600
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: stride a little bit, but he's probably not in their

601
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: Marlins long term plans.

602
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: Neither is Dan Strali. The Marlins don't really have that

603
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 1: many pitchers in their system.

604
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 2: Where you can look ahead and say, Okay, he's projects

605
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: to be in the rotation in a couple of years.

606
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 2: The Marlins can count on him to hopefully be in

607
00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 2: the rotation in a couple of years outside of Sandy

608
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 2: for the most part, Do you think Edward Cabrera and

609
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 2: Trevor Rodgers could potentially be two of those guys that

610
00:30:57,520 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: could anchor.

611
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 3: Down the Marlins.

612
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 4: I think he is that both guys absolute best case

613
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 4: ceiling is that type of picture. Yes, Historically speaking, is

614
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 4: there a significant likelihood that both of these pitchers wind

615
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,120
Speaker 4: up reaching their absolute best case scenario ceilings?

616
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 3: No, I mean, I think just.

617
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 4: Given the variability and attrition of pitching prospects, let alone

618
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 4: pitching prospects this far away and in the miners, you know,

619
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 4: I think it would be a little early to say that.

620
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 4: You know, Marlin's twenty twenty two rotation is anchored by

621
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 4: Trevor Rogers and Edward Carrera for sure, But by the

622
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 4: same token as you were saying, you know, we don't

623
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 4: have anybody saved for Elkintara that we can pencil in

624
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,719
Speaker 4: for sure, that's a prospect down the road in the rotation.

625
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 4: There really aren't many of those by the same token,

626
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 4: I mean, and especially with the landscape of pitching injuries

627
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 4: and kind of how that's starting to go. You really

628
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: don't get too many of those pitching prospects, and when

629
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 4: you do, you know they're they're the blue Chippers, They're

630
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 4: they're they're the few and far between. So I don't

631
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 4: think it's a knock on Rogers and Cabrera to say

632
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 4: there's some risk and say, you know, I wouldn't pencil

633
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 4: them in into the future rotation necessarily, but yeah, by

634
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 4: the same token, I think the upside for both of

635
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 4: them is a mid rotation starter, So you know, with

636
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,320
Speaker 4: with with all that said, obviously you keep your fingers

637
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: crossed and hope that they can both reach their ceilings

638
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: in the rotation.

639
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 2: Christian Yelich looks like an m VP right now. He's

640
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 2: my MVP pick. The Marlins obviously telts him away in

641
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 2: the offseason, and it was a really good return. I

642
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 2: still think it was a great return. But yeah, and

643
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 2: you would mentioned it was a good return. We can't

644
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: judge one season. We can't judge a trade return on

645
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: one season here, but I do want to ask you

646
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:02,959
Speaker 2: about some of these guys and what your interpretation is

647
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 2: after seeing them in one season so far in the

648
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Marlin system. Of course, we're going to start with most

649
00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 2: would say the centerpiece of the deal. You could argue

650
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 2: it was Brinson, or you could argue it was Monty Harrison.

651
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 2: I think it's Manti Harrison. I think he has the

652
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: highest ceiling. He also led all of the Marlins organization

653
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: and strikeouts this past season, but definitely showed his athleticism,

654
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 2: showed his power, hit walk off home runs. He hit

655
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: home runs as far as anyone in the organization. Obviously,

656
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 2: the strikeouts are a big problem. Is this something that

657
00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 2: you think he can cut down on or he.

658
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 3: Will always be a high volume strikeout.

659
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 4: But I don't think that, you know, what you asked

660
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 4: was mutually exclusive. I don't think that he can't get better.

661
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:55,600
Speaker 4: I think he can get better. I just think he

662
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 4: will always to some degree be a hot and cold

663
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 4: and miss guy. But by the same token, our senior evaluator,

664
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 4: John Ashlman just turned in his report on Monni Harrison

665
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,240
Speaker 4: is and it's featured in the piece that you just mentioned.

666
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,120
Speaker 3: Something that John points.

667
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: Out the elite athleticism that allows dynamic speed and defensive

668
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 4: contributions from like you know, in the New Age war standpoint,

669
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 4: from a wins of replacement standpoint that's going to provide

670
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 4: consistent base running defensive value.

671
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 3: And Mani is a guy.

672
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 4: Like you said that as the raw power that's going

673
00:34:33,080 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: to run into twenty or twenty five balls a year.

674
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 4: He just is like this is one of the most

675
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 4: gifted athletes, pure athletes that I've ever seen play baseball.

676
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,600
Speaker 4: It doesn't mean he's the best baseball player is going

677
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 4: to be, but in terms of pure athleticism like this,

678
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:49,360
Speaker 4: this dude's up there with Byron Buckston in terms.

679
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 3: Of just being unique. He's a little bit bigger than Buckston.

680
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 4: What makes Mani so unique is he's like a linebacker

681
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 4: that can run like the centerfielder and has power like this.

682
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 4: But you know, so there's a lot of selling points.

683
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,879
Speaker 4: I love this type of player, you know, this type

684
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 4: of high ceiling, high reward type of guy. I think

685
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:10,840
Speaker 4: this is where you get your All Stars if you

686
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 4: want to be a World Series contender.

687
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 3: This is the type of tool set that impacts the

688
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 3: major league level.

689
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 4: But with that comes a lot of risk and how

690
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 4: much he's able to hit and how long it's going

691
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 4: to take.

692
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 3: I think those are valid questions.

693
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 4: I think some of the struggles that Marlins fans saw

694
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:30,320
Speaker 4: Lewis Brinson go through some of the ups and downs,

695
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 4: it wouldn't shock me if Monny dealt with some of

696
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 4: those same things. I think both of these two are

697
00:35:37,160 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: going to be a lot of fun to watch developing

698
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,839
Speaker 4: the outfield together for the Marlins in these next couple

699
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 4: of years. And if things go the right way, you know,

700
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:50,040
Speaker 4: the Marlins could really have two three win, three plus

701
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 4: win guys on their hands every year. But again, that's

702
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: a big gift because both Brinson and Harrison carry, you know,

703
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 4: that high risk, high rewards swing and miss profile.

704
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: It's really exciting between those two guys with how athletic

705
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 2: that outfield could potentially be. You mentioned how long. You

706
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,799
Speaker 2: kind of brought up my next question a little bit.

707
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 2: It's a difficult question to answer because it's obviously dependent

708
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: on his performance. But assuming Harrison improves slightly but not vastly,

709
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: what do you think his timeline is to get to

710
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,840
Speaker 2: the bigs If he's still hitting in the mid two hundreds.

711
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: But putting up that fifteen to twenty home run amount, as.

712
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: I think we're the big leagues at the absolute earliest,

713
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: probably this time next year. Would it shock me if

714
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 4: he's not ready by this time next year. No like this,

715
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: he could be a twenty twenty kid, and you could

716
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 4: argue that someone like him that needs as about as

717
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:57,680
Speaker 4: many reps as he can get in the minor leagues

718
00:36:57,719 --> 00:37:00,879
Speaker 4: in terms of just getting game of bats should wait

719
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 4: until twenty twenty from a service time and competitive windows standpoint.

720
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 4: So that's that's kind of what I No, there's there's

721
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: absolutely no reason.

722
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: And there's no reason for the Marlins to Russia.

723
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: It would not surprise me at all if he got

724
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 4: an entire season in Triple A next year.

725
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 2: And I wasn't really planning on talking about Brinson much,

726
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 2: but you mentioned that you gave him me kind of

727
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 2: your vote of confidence is do you think that he

728
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 2: can cut down on that site a little bit too?

729
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 2: I think he has a lot of the same present

730
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: issues as Harrison, But do.

731
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 4: You I'm confident at the very least, Lewis is the

732
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: type of guy that's going to put the work in.

733
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 4: He's an A plus guy off the field, He's a

734
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 4: terrific worker. He's a high character individual, and I know

735
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 4: that the intangibles are there to put the work in

736
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,160
Speaker 4: and make those changes. And he's the type of athlete

737
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: that I think that's entirely possible. I just think both

738
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 4: these guys, it might take a little bit longer. You

739
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: might see them quote kind of come out of the

740
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:08,839
Speaker 4: blue and maybe post some numbers after falling off the map,

741
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 4: like it would I guess what I was saying is,

742
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 4: it wouldn't shock me if both of these guys kind

743
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 4: of come on strong, not in their age twenty two,

744
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,120
Speaker 4: twenty three, twenty four seasons, but these are the types

745
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 4: of guys that blossom into a very productive player. But

746
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,680
Speaker 4: maybe age twenty five, twenty six, twenty.

747
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,200
Speaker 3: Seven, I don't know.

748
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 4: Time will tell, but that's that's kind of how they've

749
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 4: both always struck me.

750
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 2: Another intriguing piece that came over in that Yellich deal

751
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: eisen Diaz.

752
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: Looks really good in.

753
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,719
Speaker 2: Double A, high on base percentage, works really deep in

754
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: the counts, was able to get on base plenty, work

755
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 2: some walks, strikes out a fair amount, but flashes a

756
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: lot of power for the second base position.

757
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: Easily could hit.

758
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:02,600
Speaker 2: Fifteen fifteen home runs a year, which is which is

759
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 2: great at the second base position, and plays plays a

760
00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: good second base.

761
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 1: But he really struggled in triple A.

762
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,319
Speaker 2: Hit two oh five in his fifty plus games in

763
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: Triple A after getting promoted. Is that something that Mae

764
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 2: should be worried about. I know he's young, it's only

765
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: twenty one years old, but the struggle from Double A

766
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:24,080
Speaker 2: to Triple A is that something that that's alarming at all?

767
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:26,359
Speaker 3: A little bit? I mean, I think it's not going

768
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:27,879
Speaker 3: to be the day.

769
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 4: I think that there's he's always had some aggression in

770
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 4: his profile, some swing and miss and maybe trading some

771
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: trading some contact to get the power.

772
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: But there's good juice in the bat for a guy

773
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 3: that size. He's only about five to ten.

774
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,160
Speaker 4: But yeah, no, I I think of anything, it just

775
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 4: illuminates some of the things he still needs to work on.

776
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 4: Like I mentioned earlier, senior evaluator John Ashlman saw plenty

777
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 4: of Diaz this year in the Southern League, and that's

778
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: just basically what he came back with was saying that

779
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: the tool the hitter there and this guy's got good

780
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 4: pop for a second basement, but by the same token,

781
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: he trades a little bit of that hit tool to

782
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 4: get to some of that power, and there's some over

783
00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,120
Speaker 4: aggression and swing and miss that someone probably won't ever

784
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:15,400
Speaker 4: come out of the profile.

785
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 2: But Diaz does look pretty developed as a guy that

786
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 2: projects the big leagues, and I think he's going to

787
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:31,160
Speaker 2: be the second baseman of the future. What do you

788
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: think his timeline is, Because before the triple A stint,

789
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 2: I easily could have seen him in the bigs as

790
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: soon as next season. I still think there's a chance, obviously,

791
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 2: if he's sitting the ball next year. Is that ambitious

792
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: to think that he could be in the major leagues

793
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 2: next season?

794
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it might be a little ambitious to

795
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:53,960
Speaker 4: say on April first to see the starting second basement,

796
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,520
Speaker 4: but by this time next year, No, I think that

797
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 4: borrowing something unforeseen.

798
00:40:59,160 --> 00:41:01,680
Speaker 3: I think Das probably should be up next year.

799
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: I mean, and in some ways I think that he

800
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 4: is more polished than like Amani Harrison, and of those two,

801
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 4: he should probably get there first. Doesn't necessarily make the

802
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: better player in the long run, but I think he's

803
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 4: a little bit closer and his tool set probably translates

804
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 4: a little bit more immediately to the major league level.

805
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: It's fascinating that the Marlins could potentially get three starters

806
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: from this deal, another another guy potentially four if Jordan

807
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 2: the Mmoto continues to look strong in his pitching outings

808
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues.

809
00:41:40,840 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 1: So yeah, Yelich might win an MVP, but yeah, I

810
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: mean it's it's risky.

811
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 4: We can argue about whether or not they should have

812
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 4: traded Yelich given his age, the amount of role he

813
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 4: had left and stuff like that.

814
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 3: That's a fair question.

815
00:41:54,920 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 4: What I don't think is a fair question is whether

816
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 4: or not this was a good trade package. For all

817
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:01,720
Speaker 4: the reasons you mentioned, this was an excellent trade package,

818
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 4: and the Brewers understood that they had to part with

819
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: talent to get talent. It looks like that's just what

820
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: happened here for both sides.

821
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: And we're going to go into this kind of final

822
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 2: final part here where we're talking about the buyer sell.

823
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 2: We get a lot of questions about overachieving guys, whether

824
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 2: they should get excited about them or whether it's just

825
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 2: a little bit of a fluke, because we do see

826
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: in the minor leagues guys get hot and then they'll

827
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 2: fall off the face of the earth, and something that

828
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 2: we want to hope it doesn't happen to some of

829
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: these guys. But one of the first ones that one

830
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 2: of the first guys I wanted to talk about fourteenth

831
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: rounder Brady Pucket, a guy you've seen play a little bit,

832
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 2: definitely overachieved, had a really good year. What did you

833
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 2: see from Pucket? Do you think that there's something there's

834
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: something there.

835
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 1: I guess.

836
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:00,719
Speaker 3: I'm someone the buyers here. I feel like this is

837
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: around the horn, Brady Pucket.

838
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 4: I'm buying on Brady Puckett as a maybe as a

839
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: role forty or forty five, like long long man's swingman's

840
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,840
Speaker 4: spot cup starter type. I think he had a great

841
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 4: first full pro season. I think the area of stout

842
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 4: deserves a lot of credit. This guy was a fourteenth rounder.

843
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: He's like six seven or six eight, and he throws

844
00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 4: a ton of stripes pounds downhill with fringy stuff. But

845
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 4: I think the height in it, stension play everything up.

846
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 4: So yeah, I'm I'm I'm buying him as a guy.

847
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 4: I think he's a big leader. I don't know if

848
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,080
Speaker 4: he's a big leader of consequence, but I'm I'm buying

849
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 4: him as a big leader down the road.

850
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:47,799
Speaker 3: Yeah.

851
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: Okay, so you built that projection there.

852
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

853
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 2: Another guy, lazarro Alonso, older guy, he had a he

854
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: looks really good. I mean he hit a lot of

855
00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 2: you hit for for average, you hit for some.

856
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:07,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm selling on this. I'm gonna pass.

857
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: I'm gonna pass on Alondo, big guy, big left handed,

858
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 4: raw power, hits the ball a mile at five o'clock

859
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 4: and bat in practice, But I don't see the hit

860
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 4: tool and you know on base ability against better pitching

861
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 4: for that to translate.

862
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:23,360
Speaker 3: So I'm selling.

863
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 2: Jeff Brigham, guy overachieved, got himself to the big leagues,

864
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,880
Speaker 2: is a pretty nice story. Looked got roughed up in

865
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,840
Speaker 2: his first downing in the bigs. Looks better in the

866
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 2: second outing. But I watched that entire start. Not to

867
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:49,040
Speaker 2: be a pessimist, but to me, it looks like he

868
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 2: got away with a lot.

869
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: I don't know if the stuff is there. Are you.

870
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 4: Buy him as a player that can spend a full

871
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 4: season and on a major league roster at some point

872
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 4: in his career? Maybe you know this better than me.

873
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 4: Does he go into spring training next year with a

874
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 4: chance to compete for a rotation spot?

875
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think it's going to be an open

876
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:20,800
Speaker 2: race situation.

877
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say this definitely.

878
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 4: You know, I think if he's your five starter, you're

879
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 4: probably not a playoff club in terms of the quality

880
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 4: of your rotation, given how much pitching depth is generally

881
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 4: needed to get a team there these days. But I

882
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 4: do think, you know, maybe maybe same as Pucket, that

883
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 4: that same type of profile. Yeah, I think Brigham hangs

884
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 4: around the big leagues. I think he knows how to

885
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 4: compete and throws enough strikes that maybe he's a long

886
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 4: man or a spot starter for a better team.

887
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,759
Speaker 2: Another guy, Tommy Evel, just came over in a trade

888
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: at the deadline. It was a quarterback at USF picked

889
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 2: up baseball a little late.

890
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,280
Speaker 1: Now now he's a reliever. He looks good.

891
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 2: But it's a really intriguing story, and it's definitely it's

892
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 2: definitely questionable in some regard because on one end of

893
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: on one side of things, you know, he doesn't have

894
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: that many miles on his arm. He wasn't playing baseball

895
00:46:24,040 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 2: as much as probably most guys at his level were.

896
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: But on the flip side, he looks pretty developed for

897
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: for a guy that hasn't been pitching as long as

898
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: probably most of the most of his counterparts. He's kind

899
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:39,279
Speaker 2: of assumed that closer role.

900
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: He looks pretty good.

901
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: Probably in the major leagues.

902
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a that's a safe answer, and I'm gonna throw.

903
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: One more in here, because I.

904
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:02,760
Speaker 2: Didn't think about him until I started talking about deadline moves.

905
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 2: Bryce and Brigman hit really well with the Marlins. In

906
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: his seventeen games. He hit three thirty eight in Jupiter

907
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,760
Speaker 2: and he hit three ten and twelve games in Jacksonville,

908
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 2: hit three h four before the trade.

909
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 4: A big leader, gay guy though he did keep on performing,

910
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 4: keep on performing. I think he'll need probably a full

911
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 4: season of this type of performance at Double A or

912
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,840
Speaker 4: higher for me to buy him as a candidate to

913
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 4: be an everyday guy at the big league level. But yeah,

914
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 4: I think Grigman is going to be a big leader.

915
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,600
Speaker 4: I just think ultimately it might be a nice utility guy,

916
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:46,760
Speaker 4: but we'll see.

917
00:47:51,400 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 2: And the Marlins seem to do a pretty good job

918
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: of getting these these fringe type of prospects that end

919
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 2: up overachieving a little bit in becoming pretty good players

920
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: that could potentially be role players in the bigs, but

921
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:09,960
Speaker 2: none of them seem to be impact guys, and that's

922
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:13,359
Speaker 2: something that the Marlins need to improve upon. The farm

923
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: system is obviously vastly improved, but you said in your

924
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,920
Speaker 2: write up, which we will As I said, before have

925
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: linked for everyone listening to read that the Marlins obviously

926
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 2: don't have an elite system yet. I'm gonna put you

927
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 2: on the spot a little bit here. Do you think

928
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 2: that the Marlins need to be pressed a little bit

929
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: to try and add some prospects to their system in

930
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,759
Speaker 2: regards to maybe trading a JT.

931
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: Real Muto.

932
00:48:40,560 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 2: I know this conversation seems to come up pretty often.

933
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:45,440
Speaker 2: He looks like one of the best catchers, if not

934
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 2: the best catcher in the major leagues. But the Marlins

935
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 2: are still far from where they need to be as

936
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: a guy that's evaluated there pretty much almost their entire system.

937
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: Do you think that they need to trade a guy

938
00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 2: like real Muto?

939
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 4: They just internation you know, need to is kind of

940
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,959
Speaker 4: the way you phrase that. If I'm being nitpicky, there's

941
00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 4: there's some gray area. But you know, I think from

942
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:16,719
Speaker 4: a philosophical standpoint, what I've wandered from the outside is

943
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 4: I think if you you know, moving Stanton, I I

944
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,279
Speaker 4: understand that completely why they had to do that. I

945
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: think you can make the argument about whether they should

946
00:49:27,640 --> 00:49:31,400
Speaker 4: have moved Ozuna and Yelich, but I think that once.

947
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:36,280
Speaker 3: Those two go, like especially if you're.

948
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: Not gonna be able to extend real Mudo, and I

949
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 4: think the talk is that maybe the real Mudo camp

950
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 4: is a bit more amenable to that than they were

951
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 4: at the outset of the season.

952
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 3: My guess is that's something that you would know the

953
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: latest on more than me.

954
00:49:49,560 --> 00:49:52,239
Speaker 4: But unless you're able to lock him up, especially if

955
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:55,120
Speaker 4: you're not, you've already come down the road this far.

956
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 4: So I think it really doesn't make a lot of

957
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,879
Speaker 4: sense to not be able to lock up real Muto

958
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 4: hold onto the player after flipping or getting rid of

959
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 4: Ozuna and Yelich, you know, for the same reason. So

960
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 4: I'll kind of talk about, you know, whether whether there's

961
00:50:12,760 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 4: another influx of prospects added to this system or not.

962
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 4: It absolutely does depend on whether or not they flip

963
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 4: real Muto, because there's probably not another big leader that

964
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:27,560
Speaker 4: would yield the same type of return. But you know,

965
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: if you're asking me, what does this system need to

966
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 4: be a I don't know. I'm guessing you're asking like

967
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 4: a top five system, it probably needs an impact prospect.

968
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 4: I think there was a time I thought Mani Harrison

969
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:41,520
Speaker 4: could have been that guy. I think he's always going

970
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:44,480
Speaker 4: to be a top three prospect in this system. I

971
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 4: don't know if he's ever really gonna make enough contact

972
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 4: to be a true top twenty, top twenty five guy

973
00:50:51,640 --> 00:50:54,160
Speaker 4: in the game at any point such that he would

974
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 4: be considered a real like headline prospect that could push

975
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,920
Speaker 4: a system that has as much does the Marlins have

976
00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 4: into the top five.

977
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 3: But you know, so I know I'm giving Murky answers here.

978
00:51:07,440 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 4: I'll say though, that they're draft picks and where they're

979
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:13,880
Speaker 4: going to pick, and the international pool are going to have,

980
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:16,840
Speaker 4: and what ownership is stated as a newfound commitment to

981
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,360
Speaker 4: signing players in Latin America. I think this is a

982
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 4: system that's you know, probably in that maybe ninth to

983
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 4: twelfth overall range. We haven't ranked the systems yet. We're

984
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:30,040
Speaker 4: going to have that later this offseason at twenty eighty.

985
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 4: But you know, in order to move up, they're probably

986
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 4: gonna need, you know, one more Kaream of the crop

987
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,080
Speaker 4: type guy. But they're going to have the chance to

988
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 4: add that both in the draft and internationally. So we'll

989
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 4: see definitely a much better system, one that's on the

990
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,759
Speaker 4: upswing and one that's in the top half in the

991
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:51,319
Speaker 4: major leagues.

992
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:52,680
Speaker 3: For sure. A lot of depth.

993
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: And that the thing that you did mention.

994
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 2: The Marlins have set themselves up pretty well to make

995
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 2: some international moves.

996
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: Second most pool money only to the Orioles.

997
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:13,359
Speaker 2: And now as we've seen Victor Victor Mesa has been

998
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 2: cleared as a free agent. You got a couple other

999
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: guys that the Monds could potentially go after that he.

1000
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: Could be an impact guy.

1001
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: And of course, if they do well in the draft again,

1002
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:24,840
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the system could be a top

1003
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: top five to eight system. Any other content that we

1004
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 2: can expect from twenty eighty You mentioned having the top

1005
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 2: thirty or ranking the thirty systems. That's something that everyone

1006
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 2: loves to see. It's always exciting to see where your

1007
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:40,640
Speaker 2: team stacks up.

1008
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 1: You mentioned the Marlins are nine to twelve. That was

1009
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: going to be my next question.

1010
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, any other content prospects, video scouting coming days and

1011
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 5: player scouting spotlights every day at twenty eighty Baseball And

1012
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 5: to see all of our content, you should check.

1013
00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: Out our libraries for all those individually, But in terms

1014
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 4: of Marlins related content, like you've been kind enough to

1015
00:53:02,800 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 4: mention and linked to with this.

1016
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,320
Speaker 3: Podcast, we released a.

1017
00:53:07,160 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 4: Recap of the twenty eighteen season for a lot of

1018
00:53:09,360 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 4: the top prospects and shared all of the video and

1019
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 4: scouting content that we have from the organization. Later this offseason,

1020
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 4: we're going to have a top fifteen for every organ baseball,

1021
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,840
Speaker 4: have those ranked one to thirty, and then obviously have

1022
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:28,279
Speaker 4: our end of the year top one hundred and twenty

1023
00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: five prospects.

1024
00:53:29,239 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 3: So check us out.

1025
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:34,080
Speaker 4: It's twenty eighty baseball dot com. The Twitter handle is

1026
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:38,120
Speaker 4: twenty eighty ball and I am twenty eighty Adam two

1027
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 4: zero eight zero a d Am on Twitter. Thanks for reading.

1028
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: You beat me to it.

1029
00:53:51,080 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: I was about to just send your Twitter share your

1030
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,720
Speaker 2: Twitter handle right now because this is you. Guys really

1031
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,880
Speaker 2: do have probably the best video around on prospects. So

1032
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 2: if anyone listening really wants to see firsthand what these

1033
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:08,800
Speaker 2: guys look like, I mean, the twenty eighty ball is

1034
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: a place to go, Adam, It's always a pleasure to

1035
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 2: have you on. It's always so much fun to get

1036
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 2: your opinion on these guys. I don't think anybody follows specifically,

1037
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:19,359
Speaker 2: even the Greensboro guys.

1038
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:19,759
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1039
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: I'd be hard pressed to find someone that knows more

1040
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: about the Greensboro guys than Yeah, it's talking about him,

1041
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 2: and thank you. I'm sure we'll have you on in

1042
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: the near future. It's always a pleasure. Thank you so much,

1043
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 2: Adam