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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Man, Welcome back to Coast to Coast, George Nori with you,

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Speaker 2: Mark Ireland with us first time guest is the assister

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Speaker 2: of Helping Parents Heal Now. That's an organization with more

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Speaker 2: than twenty four thousand members that assist bereeve parents worldwide.

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Speaker 2: He has participated in mediumship research studies conducted by the

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Speaker 2: University of Arizona at the University of Virginia and currently

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Speaker 2: operates a medium certification program, which we'll talk about as well.

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Speaker 2: His book is called The Persistence of the Soul. Mark

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the program.

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Speaker 3: Hey George, it's great to be here.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, and under unfortunately very sad circumstances,

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Speaker 2: if you would, if it's not too painful, if you

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Speaker 2: could tell us what happened.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely so, I guess as a precursor to my story

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Speaker 3: of what brought me back into my father's realm. My

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Speaker 3: dad was a pretty prominent psychic and medium who practiced

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Speaker 3: mainly in the nineteen sixty, seventies and eighties and eventually

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Speaker 3: became a counselor to May West. Amanda Blake, David Jansen

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Speaker 3: some other Hollywood celebrity types. And I even have a

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Speaker 3: handwritten note from Mamie Eisenhower written to him in nineteen

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Speaker 3: fifty six when he married my mom.

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Speaker 2: So you would have been a regular on this program

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Speaker 2: had we been around them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, he was ahead of his time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 3: I grew up with that father, and I saw not

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Speaker 3: only the psychic stuff, but that, you know, the spirit

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Speaker 3: messages coming through at times with great specificity, first in

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Speaker 3: the last names details. So even as a kid, I

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Speaker 3: saw this and I had a confidence say, man, there

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Speaker 3: really is more than just this, you know, there is

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Speaker 3: another realm beyond this. Growing up with that, it gave

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Speaker 3: me a level of confidence. But I took my own path.

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Speaker 3: You know how many of us really want to be

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Speaker 3: our parent, right, So I went to college, got a degree,

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Speaker 3: got married at a pretty young age, and had a

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Speaker 3: couple of kids. To fast forward, my eighteen year old son,

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Speaker 3: my younger of my two sons, Brandon, was hiking in

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Speaker 3: the mountains. They're going to go for a hike in

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Speaker 3: the mountains behind our Scottsdale, Arizona home at the time,

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Speaker 3: and that the other day I just had this kind

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Speaker 3: of bad feeling and almost like a premonition that he

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Speaker 3: shouldn't go, but I couldn't talk him out of it.

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Speaker 3: And he was eighteen, and his last words to me

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Speaker 3: were going Dad, So he went on his HI. My

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Speaker 3: wife and I were across town for most of the day.

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Speaker 3: I get a call later in the day from the boys,

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Speaker 3: actually from my older son who intercepted a call from

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Speaker 3: the other boys on the mountain who are with brand

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Speaker 3: and they said he was having trouble passing out and

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Speaker 3: so on. So they asked me to call nine one one,

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Speaker 3: which I did, and we rushed back. By the time

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Speaker 3: we got there, there's a horde of spectators and ambulance,

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Speaker 3: fire truck and a helicopter came down and a short

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Speaker 3: time we learned that our son had passed. We didn't

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Speaker 3: know the cause of definitially that all I could get

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Speaker 3: told me that, you know, Brandon had reported that his

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Speaker 3: and then I guess he vomited shortly there after that,

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Speaker 3: and then he says, I have to lay down, and

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Speaker 3: he laid down and didn't wake up again. So that's

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Speaker 3: really kind of what led me, you know, to get

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Speaker 3: a different perspective.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, did he go into atrial fibrillation or something.

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Speaker 3: So here's what happened. We didn't get an autopsy report

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Speaker 3: for about a week. But at this point in time,

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Speaker 3: but I had an uncle who was still alive with

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Speaker 3: if you can get any kind of message or connection,

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. And I was Three days later,

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Speaker 3: But this morning I was doing my meditation. It is

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Speaker 3: and that he wanted you to know you're the best

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Speaker 3: parents he ever could have had. But what he gave

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Speaker 3: He said, your dad said Brandon's death was caused by

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Speaker 3: a lack of oxton and his bloodstin' and it caused

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Speaker 3: his heart to fail. So the autopsy was conducted. A

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Speaker 3: day or two later, I got a call from that

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Speaker 3: by a severe asthma attack that causes blood oxygen levels

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Speaker 3: to drop, leading to cardiac arrest. So my uncle essentially

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Speaker 2: And this led you on your path.

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Speaker 3: It was probably the first step. Yeah, it led me

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Speaker 3: my dad's field. See. I was always proud of my dad,

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Speaker 3: things like that. But it's not like it was the

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that in a second. Mark. Did your

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Speaker 2: father try to force feed any of this towards you?

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Speaker 1: Not really.

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Speaker 3: I mean he always told people that he thought I

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Speaker 3: psychic too. Well. You know, now, I know everybody's psychic

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Speaker 3: to some degree. It's just how much you have of

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Speaker 3: or even are aware of it. But no, he never

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Speaker 3: forced me to do you know that. It was pretty

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Speaker 3: much he wanted me to be my own person and

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Speaker 3: take my own path. And even just before he passed,

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Speaker 3: I saw him like two weeks before he he told

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Speaker 2: Was your family related to the actress Jill Ireland by

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Speaker 3: No relation? North Cathy Ireland.

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Speaker 2: I bet you get that a lot, don't you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I used to, but I guess that they're not

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Speaker 2: Nobody remembers or anymore.

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Speaker 3: No, it's kind of a shame yeah. And part of

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Speaker 3: this too is, you know, has been enabled me to

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Speaker 3: kind of restore my dad's legacy to some degree, because

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Speaker 3: I think he's just unknown by a lot of folks,

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Speaker 3: but he was tremendously gifted and helped a lot of folks.

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Speaker 2: What have you learned about the afterlife?

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Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing. I mean, the first thing I

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Speaker 3: look at is what evidence sources do we have? Mediumship

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Speaker 3: know with that in dealing with mediums. I've actually know

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Speaker 3: could all speculate what it's like. My view of it is,

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Speaker 3: gravitates to the point of existence where you belong. And

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Speaker 3: I think there may be various planes, but in general terms,

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Speaker 3: NDE researchers how they describe things. And actually my dad

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Speaker 3: had some thoughts about it too that make it sound

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Speaker 3: like it's an environment, if you will, that exudes love

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Speaker 3: and compassion, acceptance, a deeper love than you can even

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Speaker 3: experience here on earth. But it's the sole purposes of

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Speaker 3: progression and to evolve, and that's why we come here

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Speaker 3: and go through some of this suffering that we do,

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Speaker 3: and some of it's not all suffering. But my thought

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Speaker 3: is we grow through that process, and this world maybe

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Speaker 3: for others and things like that, maybe this world stretches

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Speaker 3: you a bit more. Maybe it takes you refined your

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Speaker 2: You know, being here, What are some of the remarkable

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Speaker 2: things that have happened to you, mark that continue to

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Speaker 2: lead you to believe that this is the real thing.

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Speaker 3: There's been so many I'll just go back to right

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Speaker 3: after my son passed, but it was About a month later,

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Speaker 3: I was watching the NBC affiliate news station in Phoenix

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Speaker 3: first medium I saw in there was Alison Dubois, who

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Speaker 3: I thought, Wow, I'd love to be in that lab someday,

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Speaker 3: A little did I know both of those things would

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Speaker 3: called me and he says, hey, Mark, I know what

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Speaker 3: some of the affirmations that came through those readings were

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Speaker 3: My dad had a manuscript that was never published, and

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Speaker 3: also shared from my son happy twenty fifth anniversary, which

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Speaker 2: What do you say, Mark to people who don't believe

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Speaker 3: Only say so much. It depends on their perspective. If

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Speaker 3: And that's really this book that I've put out. It's

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Speaker 3: But somebody who's open minded, I can share evidence in

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Speaker 3: had an image of my son's face smiling, kind of

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Speaker 3: So what I had there was a message that I

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Speaker 3: It kind of conveyd you hate your Son's fine, he's

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Speaker 2: Was your first book called Soul.

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Speaker 3: Shift, That's correct, it was Soul Shift, and that was

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Speaker 3: But yes, that was the first book, and that was

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Speaker 3: very compelling. Well, we were going to take our son

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Speaker 3: Brandon was a bass player, and James is a musician.

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Speaker 3: But I was recording this song. While I was in

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Speaker 3: I said, okay, Brandon, what do you want? And he

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