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Speaker 1: do the most. All Right, So, it's been one hell

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Speaker 1: of a weekend. I don't know how you guys are feeling,

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Speaker 1: recharge and recalibrate, I also find myself filled with a

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Speaker 1: created a type of relative routine, right where you know,

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Speaker 1: hard for me to feel purposeless. So but I will say, my, my, my,

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Speaker 1: the news didn't slow. So what happened? Oh, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: A bunch of stupid fucking Trump supporters, right wingers and assholes,

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Speaker 1: um all gathered together and decided that they were going

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Speaker 1: to protest a virus. M hm, you heard me, right,

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Speaker 1: protest an actual fucking virus because the virus gives a fuck, right,

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Speaker 1: because the virus has some type of party affiliation, Because

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Speaker 1: the virus understands borders, because the virus understands your race,

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Speaker 1: to spread this thing that I have to give out

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Speaker 1: taken place, and of course with heavily armed white people

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Speaker 1: I say all of that, Why do I say that

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Speaker 1: Danielle watch difference as a mate that they were white.

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Speaker 1: It makes a lot of difference because I think here's

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Speaker 1: Their purposeful ignorance is putting people in harm's way. Signs

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Speaker 1: the list. Now you're gonna say to me Danielle. That

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Speaker 1: But you're choosing purposefully to put yourself in harm's way,

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Speaker 1: to Gavin Newsom, who's the governor of California, and in

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Speaker 1: particular his chief of staff and O'Leary. Many people don't

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Speaker 1: recognize this, but Anna Leary was one of the top

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Speaker 1: three in Hillary Clinton's campaign, and her specific areas of

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Speaker 1: expertise included family matters and matters concerning health in human services.

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Speaker 1: So in the Clinton campaign, she was the person who

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Speaker 1: was sort of charged with developing policy for whatever the

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Speaker 1: Clinton administration, if there was a Clinton administration, what their

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Speaker 1: pandemic response would be, and of course there wasn't a

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Speaker 1: Clinton administration. But now Ann O'Leary is the chief of

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Speaker 1: staff to Gavin USM. So I suspect that what we

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Speaker 1: are seeing in California looks a lot like what we

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Speaker 1: would have seen under a Clinton administration, because Anne is

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Speaker 1: really leading the charge and doing sort of the work

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Speaker 1: for Governor Gavin USM getting all of these ducks in

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Speaker 1: a row. And I think it's been really successful here

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Speaker 1: in California. We got here on the fourteenth and the

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Speaker 1: Sheltern Place Order went into effect shortly thereafter, and you know,

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Speaker 1: we've been in one place, but I don't think that

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Speaker 1: the hospitals have been quite as overwhelmed, certainly in the

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Speaker 1: Bay Area where we are, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've seen a sort of flattening of the curve over

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Speaker 1: the course of the month. I mean, it hasn't been easy,

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Speaker 1: and I know it's been really difficult on individuals who

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Speaker 1: haven't been able to work, and lots of people have

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Speaker 1: lost jobs, and I think the economic recovery is going

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Speaker 1: to be a difficult one. But in terms of preserving

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Speaker 1: life and health and safety, I think the work that

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Speaker 1: they've done here has been absolutely we first rate. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would have to say the same thing about New York,

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Speaker 1: and I know that it's the epicenter. I'm out here

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Speaker 1: on Long Island, as people know, I left Brooklyn the

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Speaker 1: beginning of March because my mother had emergency brain surgery,

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Speaker 1: and so I've actually I was out here probably two

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Speaker 1: weeks earlier then most people began their shelter in place.

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Speaker 1: But it has been the competency in leadership, I think

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Speaker 1: is what I have been able to rest easy on that.

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Speaker 1: Andrew Cuomo here in New York, Gavin Newsom in California,

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Speaker 1: they know what they're doing right. They have made it

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Speaker 1: clear that they care about the residence of their state.

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Speaker 1: They have made it clear that they believe in science

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Speaker 1: and facts and that they will follow whatever guidelines are

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Speaker 1: put out in order to keep their people safe. And

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Speaker 1: you know, it is it feels different. And I know

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Speaker 1: that we've said this for quite some time, but for me,

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Speaker 1: I want to say that it feels different living in

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Speaker 1: feeling what it means to truly live in a blue

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Speaker 1: state in the midst of a global pandemic, when the

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Speaker 1: federal government is nowhere in sight. Do you feel that

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Speaker 1: way too? Well? I think it's actually a really interesting

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Speaker 1: point that you've made. You know, historically, for people who

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Speaker 1: care about civil rights, the federal government has always sort

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Speaker 1: of historically been a kind of white Knight, if you will.

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Speaker 1: You know, the Civil Rights Act of nineteen sixty four.

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Speaker 1: Federal courts and whatnot, and states have often been the

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Speaker 1: bad guys around some of these most pernicious civil rights issues,

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Speaker 1: or at least they've been framed as with bad guys.

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Speaker 1: I think with the Trump administration, even you know, before

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Speaker 1: this pandemic, but certainly when the Trump administration came into

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Speaker 1: effect in January twenty seventeen, I think you saw things

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Speaker 1: flip a little and this whole idea of federalism, which

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Speaker 1: you know, among left leaning peop people has often been

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Speaker 1: a dirty word. Federalism really became a kind of bomb

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Speaker 1: for the progressive soul. So, you know, you had state

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Speaker 1: governments in California taking steps to codify into state law

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Speaker 1: parts of federal law that the administration had rolled back.

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Speaker 1: So in California they codified portions of the Clean Air

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Speaker 1: Acts that the administration had rolled back. They took greater

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Speaker 1: steps for the protection of immigrant communities and undocumented persons,

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Speaker 1: and so you really saw the state building a civil

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Speaker 1: rights gap that traditionally we've seen the federal government takeover.

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Speaker 1: So I think the whole Trump administration has actually turned

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Speaker 1: the whole notion of our understanding of federalism, our understanding

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Speaker 1: of states, and the whole question of quote unquote states

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Speaker 1: rights has been turned on its ear. And it's been

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Speaker 1: really interesting to watch, and it's an especially interesting to

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Speaker 1: watch during a global pandemic of this scale, where you've

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Speaker 1: really seen state and local government stepping up in a

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Speaker 1: really important way. And you know, we should also shout

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Speaker 1: out Mayor London Breed of San Francisco, who has done

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Speaker 1: a really amazing job in dealing with this in her city,

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Speaker 1: a city that you know, like New York is has

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Speaker 1: a fair amount of density, not quite on the scale

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Speaker 1: of New York, but duns nonetheless and has a really large,

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Speaker 1: in sizeable housing, insecure population that has to be contended

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Speaker 1: with when you have a situation like this where a

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Speaker 1: highly contagious, potentially deadly virus is afoot. You know, I

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Speaker 1: think that what is evident to people who may not

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Speaker 1: be students of government right and the different rights and

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Speaker 1: responsibilities that the federal government has versus the states and localities,

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Speaker 1: is that essentially it feels in many ways that the

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Speaker 1: Trump at the Trump administration has thrown up their hands

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Speaker 1: and they've thrown the keys to those of governors and said, oh,

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Speaker 1: go out, go, go do this, and we'll be here

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Speaker 1: and we'll support you, but we're not going to actually

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Speaker 1: put any federal guidelines in place. What do you think,

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Speaker 1: how do you should say? How do you think that

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Speaker 1: this positions states moving forward? Because we have right now

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Speaker 1: in in the Northeast region, we have the governors working

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Speaker 1: regionally on the decision making process about how and when

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Speaker 1: things will reopen because they want to do it regionally

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Speaker 1: because it makes the most sense you have governors doing

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Speaker 1: that on the West where you are, but none of

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Speaker 1: them are doing that going off of guidelines for the

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Speaker 1: federal government. How do you think that people now understand

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Speaker 1: the differences and how do you think that this will

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Speaker 1: change our governing moving forward. Well, maybe would be helpful

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Speaker 1: to just sort of really step back all the way

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Speaker 1: back to seventeen eighty seven when the Constitution was drafted

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Speaker 1: and ratified. I mean, the whole point of the Constitution

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Speaker 1: was that we had before Constitution, after the American Revolution,

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Speaker 1: this confederation of thirteen states, all of which we're sort

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Speaker 1: of a able to do whatever they wanted in their

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Speaker 1: own individual state government, but they couldn't actually solve really

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Speaker 1: large centralized problem. So they couldn't get a loan from

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Speaker 1: a foreign government because they couldn't work together. And so

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Speaker 1: that was part of what the Constitution was created to do,

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Speaker 1: create a kind of centralized government, but not make that

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Speaker 1: centralized government so powerful that it would absolutely overwhelm the

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Speaker 1: states and the people. So the Constitution is one of

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Speaker 1: limited government. And you hear originalists and libertarians talk about

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Speaker 1: this all the time, limited government, limited government, but it's

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Speaker 1: limited government is not the same as no federal government.

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Speaker 1: So there are limits on what the federal government can do,

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Speaker 1: but the coal point of a constitution is that the

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Speaker 1: federal government is there when a centralized response is necessary

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Speaker 1: and required, and that's certainly the situation here. And we

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Speaker 1: are dealing with a pandemic that is global in nature.

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Speaker 1: It requires a unified response and you need guidance from

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Speaker 1: the top, and that's exactly what the Constitution was trying

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Speaker 1: to create with a tripartite system of federal government with Congress,

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Speaker 1: the courts, and a president, all of whom could deal

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Speaker 1: with these larger centralized problems in a way that provided

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Speaker 1: guidance to the states. And we're missing that level of

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Speaker 1: government here. We have the states doing things, but again

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Speaker 1: doing very different things. So you as you say, you

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Speaker 1: have these regional contacts between the East coast states in California, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: and Washington. They're doing something regionally, but you also have Florida,

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Speaker 1: which Florida is going to Florida. They're Florida. Florida is

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Speaker 1: doing its own thing. Might not be a great thing.

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Speaker 1: Georgia has been doing its own thing, and so you

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Speaker 1: have these pockets and with a situation like this, you

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Speaker 1: actually do need a unified response that is coordinated and

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Speaker 1: intended to address the public health crisis. Okay, I mean,

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Speaker 1: we can't function as though we are fifty individual entity

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Speaker 1: but because there's so much mobility. But isn't that what

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Speaker 1: we're doing. Isn't that what this god administration has forced

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Speaker 1: us to do? When the President of the United States

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Speaker 1: tweets and says that governors have a responsibility to provide

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Speaker 1: for their people and to get things done, and oh,

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Speaker 1: we'll be here cheering you on. That's essentially what Trump

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Speaker 1: tweeted over the weekend. Oh, the federal government is here

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Speaker 1: for you, tweeting on, but we're not actually going to

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Speaker 1: intervene and provide any guidelines. So if the Constitution did

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Speaker 1: not set up a system where the president was the

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Speaker 1: cheerleader in chief, and you know, the president is supposed

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Speaker 1: to be the commander in chief, commanding. I mean, he's

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Speaker 1: talked about himself as a wartime president. If we're at

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Speaker 1: war with the coronavirus, then the direction really should come

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Speaker 1: from the top, and that's certainly what the Constitution was

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Speaker 1: imagined to do. For crises of this sword, where a

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Speaker 1: centralized response is necessary, then you need this and our

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Speaker 1: country is vast enormous individuals. Can you move from state

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Speaker 1: to state when you have that much mobility that many people,

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Speaker 1: You cannot leave it to individual state responses. There really

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Speaker 1: does need to be a coordinated plan of action, which

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Speaker 1: is why you have those states banding together. But again

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Speaker 1: you're just getting these regional contacts what we need as

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Speaker 1: a nationalized response. So here we are. We're in, um

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Speaker 1: the hunger games. Um, we're in some form of Lord

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Speaker 1: of the Rings or all running for the cornucopia looking

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Speaker 1: for the correct or if you're if you're old like

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Speaker 1: me and you understand the eighties, there was an amazing

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Speaker 1: eighties teen movie Um that was was it Band of

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Speaker 1: the Hand? Yes, yes, you've got me. I mean, I'm

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Speaker 1: a culture I will send it to you, but I

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Speaker 1: will tell you this that like this is. I mean,

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Speaker 1: Trump has literally sent set up a Lord of the

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Speaker 1: Flies government right to each his own. We're all going

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Speaker 1: to govern on our own. We're all going to have

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Speaker 1: our own own policies and programs and how we close

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Speaker 1: down our borders as the United States of the I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. I don't know. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: there are beaches open in Florida and people are going

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Speaker 1: down there on vacation. How they don't get back into

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Speaker 1: New York I don't know and spread the virus. I

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Speaker 1: have no idea. But what I do want to talk

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Speaker 1: to you about is the fact that the President over

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Speaker 1: the past several days has been tweeting out liberation clauses

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Speaker 1: or applauses for his red state folks and shaming or

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Speaker 1: trying to shame Blue states into liberating their states, meaning

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Speaker 1: to relinquish the COVID nineteen restrictions that were put in

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Speaker 1: place so that people don't die. But this government has

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Speaker 1: a different idea. I guess that Republics have shifted their

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Speaker 1: pro life sensibilities. I have no idea what what I

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Speaker 1: mean legally, Melissa, aside from sane, aside from just what

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Speaker 1: is sane and what is absolutely insane. It's insane to

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Speaker 1: me that there are right wing Republicans that are protesting

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Speaker 1: a virus. I find that bat shit doesn't even begin

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Speaker 1: to express But that is happening. But the President is

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Speaker 1: also egging this on in a very real way, and

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Speaker 1: people are following his marching orders. What if any legal

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Speaker 1: responsibility does he have. Well, so, first again, let the

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Speaker 1: whole rhetoric of liberation, the idea analogizing the individuals who

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Speaker 1: are protesting these chiltern place orders as modern days don't

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Speaker 1: don't even let me don't don't don't even let me

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Speaker 1: go there. Today, it seems that that seems really hyperbolic

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Speaker 1: and again sort of misses the very real differences between

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Speaker 1: the things that civil rights warriors were protesting against on

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Speaker 1: what's happening now. In terms of the legality of this situation,

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Speaker 1: it's really important to remember that states and state officials

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Speaker 1: have the authority, under the police power that all states

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Speaker 1: have to legislate or to enact orders and policies for

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Speaker 1: the purpose of advancing and promoting the general welfare of

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Speaker 1: their citizens and health and safety. And this takes lots

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Speaker 1: of different forms. So the requirement that children attend school,

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Speaker 1: so compulsory schooling, laws, laws that require vaccinations, all of

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Speaker 1: these things are things that the states do that impede

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Speaker 1: and intrude upon our liberty all of the time. Laws

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Speaker 1: that restrict marriage to those who are adults or those

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Speaker 1: who are not related to one another. All of these

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Speaker 1: are things that are permissibly within the state's ability to

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Speaker 1: do under its police power, that have not been found

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Speaker 1: to run a foul of the Constitution. The Constitution is

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Speaker 1: not a suicide pact. Liberty is not a license to

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Speaker 1: go and do whatever you want and in danger as

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Speaker 1: many people as you want. So when states put these

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Speaker 1: shelter in place orders in place, it's to do so

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Speaker 1: to keep their residents safe, and that's totally within their

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Speaker 1: constitutional authority to do. Now, there may be certain limits,

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Speaker 1: like they may not be able to do them indefinitely.

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Speaker 1: They may have to make some accommodations, as in the

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Speaker 1: case of vaccinations for those who have religious objections, and

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Speaker 1: that may be an issue, But it's not a suicide path.

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Speaker 1: Liberty is not a broad license to do whatever you like.

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Speaker 1: When the President tells individuals that they should flout the

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Speaker 1: requirements of their state governments that are in place or

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Speaker 1: health and safety measures, is he inciting rebellion? Possibly? Is

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Speaker 1: he likely to be taken to court for it? Improbable,

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Speaker 1: I think, But the optics of it, I think are

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Speaker 1: really poor. And again, you know, I think the President

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Speaker 1: and the GOP they are flagging and flogging this idea

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Speaker 1: of economic recovery, But I mean, I don't think people

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Speaker 1: are really thinking about this in long term yes, we

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Speaker 1: can reopen the economy. We can reopen these states. But

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Speaker 1: if people don't feel safe leaving their homes and going

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Speaker 1: into the gap or some other place of business, the

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Speaker 1: economy is not going to recover. I mean, we, like

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Speaker 1: I understand that this is a moment of incredible economic

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Speaker 1: crisis and stress. But reopening without a plan to reopen

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Speaker 1: safely seems like it will only exacerbate the anxieties that

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Speaker 1: people are feeling. It will not lead to an economic recovery.

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Speaker 1: It will probably lead to more stagnation. And so I

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Speaker 1: worry about this. You know, do I think the president

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Speaker 1: will be held liable for it? I mean, if the

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Speaker 1: president was held to account, you know, I think we

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Speaker 1: saw the impeachment trial that you know, it's likely that

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Speaker 1: he is found to be have done nothing wrong once again.

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Speaker 1: But the idea that state governors are imposing upon liberty

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Speaker 1: are shackling their residence, I just think that's really dangerous rhetoric.

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Speaker 1: And to be really clear, we don't know how broad

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Speaker 1: these protests are. Like in one account it was three

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Speaker 1: hundred people. There are probably three thousand people in the

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Speaker 1: same city who are sheltering in place and happy to

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Speaker 1: do so. Because they genuinely fear for themselves and their

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Speaker 1: children and other vulnerable members of their family. Where do

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Speaker 1: we go, Melissa? In all honesty, we have a wayward

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Speaker 1: precedent that doesn't believe in the constitution, that doesn't believe

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Speaker 1: in facts, that doesn't believe in science. We have governors

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Speaker 1: that are doing the best of their ability to fight

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Speaker 1: right and actually try and win bids for ventilators against

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Speaker 1: the federal government. Because again, that's the situation that's been

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Speaker 1: set up in Trump's America. Where do we go from here?

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Speaker 1: So I watched the news religiously, maybe obsessively in these days,

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Speaker 1: and I'm really grateful to the purfect coverage that we've

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Speaker 1: seen across the country on both network and cable news.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of it is focused on the public

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Speaker 1: health response to this, so lots of doctors, all of

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Speaker 1: which you are bringing really great information to the American people.

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Speaker 1: But the thing that I'm really interested in and that

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Speaker 1: I've been focused on, is like the emerging legal issues

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Speaker 1: that haven't really gotten a lot of traction and a

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Speaker 1: lot of coverage because we've been so focused on the

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Speaker 1: public health aspects of this crisis. But there are a

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Speaker 1: number of legal issues that we really need to keep

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Speaker 1: an eye on, and they go to these sort of

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Speaker 1: broader questions that you asked, and where do we go

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Speaker 1: from here? We were already seeing a crisis of democratic

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Speaker 1: institutions under the Trump administration well before this pandemic was

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Speaker 1: in place, and I think we've only seen the further

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Speaker 1: erosion of democratic institutions of The Wisconsin election is a

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Speaker 1: perfect example of this, and it's a harbinger of things

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Speaker 1: to come. What are we going to do in less

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Speaker 1: than seven months when we have to go to the

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Speaker 1: polls to vote in a presidential election and we have

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Speaker 1: no safeguards in place to either protect the vote or

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Speaker 1: to protect individuals who are forced to go out into

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Speaker 1: the streets in order to exercise what is a fundamental right.

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Speaker 1: So that's a question that I think we need to

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Speaker 1: be focused on. Six months is not a long period

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Speaker 1: of time. States have to put measures in place that

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Speaker 1: will allow individuals to be able to exercise the right

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Speaker 1: to vote in a way that is safe for them,

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Speaker 1: so vote by mail, other options. This is all up

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Speaker 1: to the states. I mean, this is not a question

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Speaker 1: of federal law. The federal government, however, can allocate funds

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Speaker 1: to states in order to provide more polling places so

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Speaker 1: people can spread out, or to provide more workers, or

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Speaker 1: to redeploy voter booth employees to different places so that

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Speaker 1: you can deal with the different kinds of demand to

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Speaker 1: vote in certain different places. But we're not seeing that response,

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Speaker 1: and that's something I think we have to think about.

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Speaker 1: Congress has been really hard at work on these stimulus packages.

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Speaker 1: The administration has been working with Congress. We also need

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Speaker 1: to think about what is it going to mean to

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Speaker 1: vote in twenty twenty and how we're going to deal

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Speaker 1: with that. We have seen the erosion of other fundamental

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Speaker 1: rights throughout this country. So as these individuals are calling

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Speaker 1: for liberty from shelter and place orders, they have no

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Speaker 1: problem imposing on the liberty of women to choose to

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Speaker 1: have an abortion during this period. We've seen this in Texas,

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Speaker 1: we are seeing this in Tennessee. We see federal courts

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Speaker 1: going back and forth on this. If these states decide

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Speaker 1: that it is the time to reopen, is it also

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Speaker 1: the time to allow these procedures to continue. I think not.

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Speaker 1: In Texas is the first state to decide that it's

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Speaker 1: going to reopen, but it's governor said specifically that the

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Speaker 1: question of whether Texas women will be able to exercise

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Speaker 1: their right to choose an abortion will be a question

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Speaker 1: left up to the states. No one is really talking

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Speaker 1: about this outside of print media, like we're getting no

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Speaker 1: coverage of this on broadcast or cable news. And it's

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Speaker 1: a really important issue because this pandemic will be an opportunity,

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Speaker 1: there is coronavirus opportunism, the foot to further infringe upon

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Speaker 1: rights that other people don't want you to exercise, and

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Speaker 1: so the right to vote, these other fundamental rights, all

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Speaker 1: of these are really important to them. We're seeing lots

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Speaker 1: of discussion and many of these red states about whether

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Speaker 1: gunshops are essential businesses that should be remain open because

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Speaker 1: of the Second Amendment. That's a question we're not hearing

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Speaker 1: anything about, but it's a really important question in one

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Speaker 1: like whatever we decide during this moment of prices will

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Speaker 1: certainly have repercussions. For one, we are no longer in

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Speaker 1: a crisis, and we need to talk about that. So

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Speaker 1: we are making policy decisions in this moment of anxiety

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Speaker 1: and crisis, and we're not thinking about what the repercussions.

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Speaker 1: Let the spillover into everyday, ordinary times will be but

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Speaker 1: there will surely be spillover and we need to think

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Speaker 1: about that. Melissa, Is there anything Is there any recourse

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Speaker 1: for the people right now? As the Trump administration continues

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Speaker 1: on their rubber baron path, as they continue to lie

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Speaker 1: to the public and put the public at risk, as

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Speaker 1: they continue to deny funding or give minimal funding to

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Speaker 1: states that are at the epicenter of this global pandemic,

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Speaker 1: what is it that that people can do? Because who

784
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Speaker 1: is rallying right now? They're literally protesting against a virus

785
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: in public that doesn't actually make sense. But for the

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Speaker 1: rest of us that are sane, is there a pathway

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Speaker 1: for us having our voices heard? Also, again, I think

788
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are making their voices heard in

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Speaker 1: quieter ways that we did lots of social media activity

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Speaker 1: around this. I think lots of people have been calling

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Speaker 1: in to their state representatives, to congress, their state representatives

792
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Speaker 1: of statehouses, the governors, like letting them know what they need.

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Speaker 1: We need to continue to do that. Yeah, I'm kind

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Speaker 1: of an optimist about all of these things, maybe a

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Speaker 1: hackeyed optimist, but I was really cheered to see the

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Speaker 1: response to the election in Wisconsin. It was a global pandemic,

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Speaker 1: dangerous virus foot and people were still lining up despite

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Speaker 1: the risk to make sure that their voices were heard.

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Speaker 1: And you know, if you're an African American living in

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Speaker 1: this country, that shouldn't surprise you, Like our ancestors died

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Speaker 1: to be able to have their voices heard, and you know,

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Speaker 1: I get it. And this was a moment that you know,

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Speaker 1: not quite like the civil rights movement, but again risking

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Speaker 1: your life and risking the possible contraction of a deadly

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Speaker 1: virus because it was so important for you to have

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Speaker 1: your voice heard in this state election and this primary,

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Speaker 1: this national primary election. And I hope that individuals take

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Speaker 1: that into account, like, how can we make our voices

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Speaker 1: heard now? We need to start advocating for protection so

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Speaker 1: that we will be able to make our voices heard

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Speaker 1: in November. So that to me is the most important issue.

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Speaker 1: How are we going to safeguard this election so that

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Speaker 1: everyone who wants to vote has the voice their voice heard.

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Speaker 1: And that's a non partisan issue. The GOP has lots

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Speaker 1: of elderly voters who realistically should not be going on

816
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Speaker 1: foot to the polls, They should be voting by mail.

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Speaker 1: So This is not a question of sort of getting

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Speaker 1: out Democratic voters of Republican voters. The right to vote

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Speaker 1: is for every American and we need to safeguard that

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Speaker 1: for every American regardless of how they will vote, and

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Speaker 1: when we do, will truly be living up to the

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Speaker 1: promise of this nation. Oh Melissa, Well, I hope that

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Speaker 1: we can tap into you on a weekly basis as

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Speaker 1: we navigate through this global pandemic to really understand what

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Speaker 1: we're missing here, because I feel like a lot is happening,

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Speaker 1: a lot is happening in this administration under the wire,

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Speaker 1: and because we're so focused and rightfully so, on the

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Speaker 1: coronavirus and it's spread, but we're missing a lot of

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Speaker 1: the legal and policy implications that are happening at this

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Speaker 1: current time that are going to be a part of

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Speaker 1: our new normal. So I'm delighted to be back as

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Speaker 1: often as will have me, and I'm happy to talk

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Speaker 1: about these things all day long. Remind people how to

834
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Speaker 1: find you, Melissa, so they can stay on top of

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Speaker 1: not only you're loyally insights, but that of the royal

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Speaker 1: family as well. So because that's one of you, that's

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Speaker 1: one of the things you love. My twitter feed is

838
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Speaker 1: an autumnalogam of constitutional law issues and royal family trivia.

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Speaker 1: But you can follow me at Cross and Murray on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: I am also a co host of the podcast Strict Scrutiny,

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Speaker 1: which concerns the Supreme Court and the legal culture that

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Speaker 1: surround it, and you can follow us at Strict Scrutiny

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Speaker 1: Underscore on Twitter as well. Thank you, Melissa, Thank you

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Speaker 1: great to be here. Donald Trump and the Trump administration

845
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 1: has not stopped robbing the American people blind. They have

846
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 1: not stopped breaking the law because we're in the midst

847
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Speaker 1: of a global pandemic. As a matter of fact, I

848
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Speaker 1: think that this has given them license to put their

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Speaker 1: foot fully on the gas. And what Melissa has said

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Speaker 1: and what we discussed is the fact that no one

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Speaker 1: is paying attention, right But how do you how do

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Speaker 1: you let me tell you something, A normal casual trip

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Speaker 1: to the grocery store has turned into a forty five

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Speaker 1: minute production. When you get home, the anxiety of going

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Speaker 1: in public, dawning latex gloves, putting on a mask, then

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Speaker 1: washing the groceries once you get them back in the house,

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Speaker 1: taking them out of the packaging, doing the most just

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Speaker 1: to keep yourself safe. So surely you're not paying attention

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Speaker 1: at every waking moment, because why it's anxiety inducing. I

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Speaker 1: wake up in the middle of the fucking night, like

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Speaker 1: many of you, and what do I grab? I grab

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Speaker 1: my phone and I start scrolling. What did I miss?

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Speaker 1: Is a world at an end? Right? What do I

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Speaker 1: not know? And these people, all they're doing is taking advantage.

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Speaker 1: They're taking advantage of our fear. They're taking advantage of

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Speaker 1: our panic, and they're doing the most. And if we

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Speaker 1: don't pay attention, then, frankly, after this, there won't be

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Speaker 1: a country left. You know the joke that I always

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Speaker 1: have with my co host on Democracy Issue, which if

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Speaker 1: you're not listening to you should be listening to as

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Speaker 1: well as PM mood. They're both free, download them, upload them,

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Speaker 1: share them, do the most. We at the end of

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Speaker 1: each democracy Issue we say, oh, we'll see you next week.

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Speaker 1: If there's a country. It started out as a joke,

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Speaker 1: it's actually not funny anymore, because that's why I'm waking

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Speaker 1: up in the middle of the night. Is there a country?

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Speaker 1: Did I fall asleep and in one thing and wake

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Speaker 1: up in Russia? Did I fall asleep in America and

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Speaker 1: wake up and Putin's Russia. I don't know. I do

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Speaker 1: know that we have states that are battling against the

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Speaker 1: federal government for ppees, and then the federal government is

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Speaker 1: sending out people to go confiscate those protective gear from states.

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Speaker 1: What the fuck kind of hunger games is this? We've

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Speaker 1: allowed this to go on for far too long. We

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Speaker 1: have a couple of months until the election. My dad

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Speaker 1: asked me, Danielle, do you think we're really going to

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Speaker 1: have an election in November? And I say to him,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. All of the lawyers, all of my friends,

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Speaker 1: they want to tell me that it would be impossible.

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Speaker 1: But there are lots of things that I thought would

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Speaker 1: be impossible that have now come to fruition. So impossible

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Speaker 1: not so much. It seems that if you're white, and

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Speaker 1: you're rich, and you're a man, you can do whatever

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Speaker 1: the fuck you want. It seems like that it's always

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Speaker 1: been that way, but now it's more in your face

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Speaker 1: with a fuck you attached to it. So the question

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Speaker 1: that we all need to be asking ourselves is what

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Speaker 1: are we going to do about it? Yes? I know

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Speaker 1: that we're down. Yes, I know that we're battling against

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Speaker 1: a lot. Yes, I know that all of those things

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Speaker 1: are happening at one time, and the question that I

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Speaker 1: still have to say to you is what are you

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Speaker 1: going to do about it? Because once you relinquish your power,

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Speaker 1: you give it to somebody else and there is no

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Speaker 1: telling what they will do with it. So remember who

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Speaker 1: is in control, and it is not them, It is you,

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Speaker 1: all right, folks. That is it for me today on

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Speaker 1: As always, Power to the people and to all people. Power.

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Speaker 1: Get woke and stay woke as fuck.