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Speaker 2: This is the Reform Sports Project, a podcast about restoring

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Speaker 2: healthy balance and perspective in all areas of sports through

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Speaker 2: education and advocacy. Hi, this is Nick Bonacor from the

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Speaker 2: Reform Sports Podcast. Today, I'm speaking with doctor Jeremy Allen,

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Speaker 2: team physician for the Chicago Bulls, Chicago White Sox, Chicago Dogs,

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Speaker 2: and Mount Carmel High School. Doctor Allen graduated from Rush

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Speaker 2: baseball pitcher and host of the podcast Doctor Friends, doctor

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Speaker 2: Allen and I discussed why over yours injuries are so

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Speaker 2: prevalent at the youth level, how parents can better prioritize

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Speaker 3: Here we go. I'm excited. Got another awesome guest. Man.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I'm playing in the big leagues with

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Speaker 3: this dude, doctor Jeremy Allen. What sport aren't you a

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Speaker 1: Which ones do I not take care of? I see

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Speaker 3: I mean, here the professional sports teams that you've been

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Speaker 1: be there for this part of it and them to

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Speaker 1: be okay with it and keep your spot. I think

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Speaker 1: what you said leading up to this, like your Devil's

438
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Speaker 1: advocate there, is super poignant and completely valid. I think

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Speaker 1: when kids get to about fourteen fifteen years old, so

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Speaker 1: they kind of like that lower high school level, I mean,

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Speaker 1: generally speaking, that's when it's recommended to really start specializing.

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Speaker 1: Three sport athletes are very very hard to find these days,

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Speaker 1: and to a certain extent, I think they were a

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Speaker 1: rare breed even when I was younger, and I'm sure

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Speaker 1: they were. When you to do three sports and to

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Speaker 1: do them well and to have the time to be

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Speaker 1: able to do that and not get injured as very

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Speaker 1: very difficult. And so if I have a seventeen year

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Speaker 1: old who's kind of year round playing one sport, I

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Speaker 1: don't tend to get too concerned about that. But it's

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Speaker 1: when I have my eleven year old who's playing one

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Speaker 1: sport year round and then comes in with an overuse

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Speaker 1: injury and is basically like, I can't take the time off,

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Speaker 1: you know, like they're not going to have a spot

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Speaker 1: on the team for me. When can I get back?

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Speaker 1: Like the coach needs me. I always hear the statement

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Speaker 1: of like the team needs him, and you're like, I know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I get these things. I played the sport.

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Speaker 1: I totally feel your emotions towards this, But the system

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Speaker 1: itself is prioritizing again getting back quickly and making sure

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Speaker 1: that you're in the competition and playing year round and

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Speaker 1: not thinking like this actually can have long term consequences,

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Speaker 1: like when my kid's twenty five years old, are they

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Speaker 1: gonna have a normal shoulder? And as an adult, like,

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Speaker 1: we need to be doing what's in the best interest

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Speaker 1: for our children. We try to do that with everything else.

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Speaker 1: So I want to hear the question more from parents.

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Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean don't ask the other questions. All

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Speaker 1: questions are good questions, but I want to start hearing

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Speaker 1: the questions more from parents of like, is there anything

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Speaker 1: at this point that if he continues or she continues

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Speaker 1: to do this sport or excuse me, continues to go

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Speaker 1: through this injury or gets back that when they're thirty

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Speaker 1: years old, they may have problems. You know, like that

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Speaker 1: kind of concept of thinking, because I think a lot

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Speaker 1: of the injuries we see in youth athletes, we just

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Speaker 1: assume that it's it's good, like they'll go away with

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Speaker 1: our kid and they'll never have it as they're older.

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Speaker 1: And I can tell you from my own experience. I

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Speaker 1: had one a spond oalysis when I was thirteen, which

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Speaker 1: is like that stress fracturing your low back. Baseball players

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Speaker 1: get it. Actually, most frequently I played baseball. I played

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Speaker 1: basketball in high school. I played baseball in college. I

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Speaker 1: did football for a year actually was the year I

485
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Speaker 1: was diagnosed with this fondalalysis. I played a bunch of sports,

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Speaker 1: so I was probably high risk for this and it

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Speaker 1: didn't cause me a lot of problems during the time.

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Speaker 1: But in my twenty nine or excuse me, four days

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Speaker 1: before I turned thirty, I had a lumbar fusion L

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Speaker 1: fives one because of this old injury, and I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: go back and change my sports because of it, but

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Speaker 1: it did have long term consequences. So I think we

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Speaker 1: need to stop pretending that these injuries can't affect kids

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Speaker 1: when they're older and really start to talk about what

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Speaker 1: are the goals, like why are they in the sports

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Speaker 1: in the first place, What are we trying to get

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Speaker 1: out of it?

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Speaker 2: When we return Doctor Allen and I discussed the role

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Speaker 2: puberty plays and development and the joy of being part

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Speaker 2: of a team. Heading into the break, I wanted to

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Speaker 2: share an update with you from our friends at Team Snap,

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Speaker 2: who was having a busy summer with exciting announcement after

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Speaker 2: exciting announcement. As you may recall, we had Peter Francillis,

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Speaker 2: CEO of Team Snap on an earlier episode of this podcast,

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Speaker 2: and one of the areas we covered was how he

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Speaker 2: saw technology evolving within the youth sports industry. Last month,

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Speaker 2: Team Snap launch Team Snap for Business, its next generation

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Speaker 2: platform and an all in one solution for sports organizations. Now,

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Speaker 2: Team Snap is thrilled to announce the upcoming launch of

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Speaker 2: its brand new registration system, one of the most configurable,

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Speaker 2: cost effective, and intelligent ways to register players and staff.

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Speaker 2: Team Snap Registration was built on years of feedback from

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Speaker 2: the Team snap community, which includes over nineteen thousand organizations

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Speaker 2: and twenty five million users. In celebration of this launch,

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Speaker 2: Team Snap is inviting you to a live webinar on

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Speaker 2: Thursday July twenty seventh, one pm Eastern eleven am Mountain Time.

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Speaker 2: During the webinar, they will cover everything inside the brand

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Speaker 2: new Team Snap registration system, including some important new capabilities

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Speaker 2: like multiple installment options, advance logic, answer dependent add on fees,

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Speaker 2: and an intuitive setup wizard. Using the new team Snap registration,

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Speaker 2: you can effortlessly create forms, collect fees and documents, and

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Speaker 2: manage your programs with ease so you can keep your

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Speaker 2: energy focused on the thing you love, amateur sports. Head

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Speaker 2: to teamsnap dot com and sign up to save your

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Speaker 2: spot for the webinar that will be held on July

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Speaker 2: twenty seventh.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back where we left off, Doctor Alland and I

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Speaker 4: were about to talk about helping kids who are passionate

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Speaker 4: about working in sports explore career opportunities within the industry.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the age whatever, it was like fourteen years old,

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Speaker 4: and I can't help but automatically think about puberty around

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Speaker 4: that time roughly, you know.

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Speaker 3: Some a little earlier, some a little later, but generally

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Speaker 3: around that late middle school early high school time frame.

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Speaker 3: And we talk about late bloomers a lot, you know,

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Speaker 3: and people are such in a rush. I mean, there's

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Speaker 3: a term red shirt that when I was growing up,

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Speaker 3: that was the college term. Well now people actually say

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna red shirt my kid. They're like in seventh

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Speaker 3: grade like they're using the term holding their kid back

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Speaker 3: because they want to have that advantage specifically for sports.

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Speaker 3: Why do people need to make sure they understand that

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Speaker 3: puberty plays a role in development and you need to

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Speaker 3: not work worry about if your kid is the greatest

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Speaker 3: nine year old in the world, like and if they're small,

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Speaker 3: you know, or if they're big, like their bodies are

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Speaker 3: going to catch up. What should parents keep in mind

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Speaker 3: when it comes to keeping puberty in mind when their

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Speaker 3: kids may be small, and also if they need to

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Speaker 3: specialize as for why is it better to do it

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Speaker 3: after puberty.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that you were describing there that

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Speaker 1: to put it into like a singular sentence, is that

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Speaker 1: we often say kids are not just small adults. They

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Speaker 1: are physiologically different bodies, and so we can't treat them

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Speaker 1: the same. Meaning when somebody comes in with a specific

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Speaker 1: you know, their knee hurts and they're nine, it's not

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Speaker 1: as if they get the same problems that a twenty

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Speaker 1: seven year old gets. They have different physiology. They have

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Speaker 1: growth plates, which are are an area that takes on

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Speaker 1: a lot of load and is a high cell turnover

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Speaker 1: because they're getting bigger, and so when you talk about puberty.

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Speaker 1: The biggest changes that are happening during puberty is people

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Speaker 1: are getting taller, and they tend to get a bigger boy.

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Speaker 1: And then in addition to that, puberty also tends to

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Speaker 1: correlate with the time in which they tend to be

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Speaker 1: significantly ramping up the hours that they're playing a given

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Speaker 1: sport and the intensity that they're doing it. And so

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Speaker 1: the vast majority of injuries that we see, you know,

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Speaker 1: puberty can start anywhere between nine and fourteen or fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and you know, the injuries that we see in this

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Speaker 1: age group tend to be correlative with somebody who used

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Speaker 1: to have, you know, a shorter nine year old body

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Speaker 1: and is now a foot taller than they used to be.

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Speaker 1: In addition to that, they tend to be carrying more

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Speaker 1: pounds than they used to be. And then they also

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Speaker 1: tend to be increasing the hours that they tend to

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Speaker 1: be And you talked about load management already earlier. Well,

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Speaker 1: that you've just increased your load and frequency of load dramatically.

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Speaker 1: And the one thing that they haven't gotten rid of

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Speaker 1: is their growth plates. There's still a youth body. They're

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Speaker 1: not a grown up body. So when I see somebody

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Speaker 1: who has Let's see, we've brought up the spond olysis

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Speaker 1: quite a bit like that lumbar stress fracture that is

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Speaker 1: most common in adolescence between eleven and fourteen, and it's

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Speaker 1: exactly for that reason. It's because they start playing their

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Speaker 1: sport a ton the fulcrum that they use, meaning that

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Speaker 1: their lumbar spine is getting longer, the body's getting bigger,

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Speaker 1: and you combine those two factors and they get this

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Speaker 1: problem significantly more frequently. Baseball players, which you feature a

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Speaker 1: lot on your show, Baseball is a situation where usually

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Speaker 1: between the ages of like eleven and fourteen, they tend

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Speaker 1: to end up pitching a lot more than they ever

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Speaker 1: used to, throwing harder than they used to. They tend

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Speaker 1: to start adding other pitches that they weren't, you know,

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Speaker 1: necessarily throwing before. And again you're talking about somebody who

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Speaker 1: was now a foot taller. So if you think about

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Speaker 1: the biomechanics of throwing and the amount of torque that

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Speaker 1: you're trying to create both from standing up and then

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Speaker 1: coming down and delivering the ball, in addition to the

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Speaker 1: weight behind the ball, so all of those things change,

602
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Speaker 1: the mechanics and change the overall forces, and so it

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Speaker 1: all leads to increased load and if it's not done

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Speaker 1: with purpose, meaning let's do you know, four games on

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Speaker 1: Saturday and three games on Sunday and then we'll practice

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Speaker 1: during the week and you know, repeat it as you

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Speaker 1: know every time you're going to start to see kids

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Speaker 1: start to break down.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of flipped a script a little. How did

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Speaker 3: you use your sport experience? Like how did it get

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Speaker 3: you into, you know, being a sports physician? I mean, like,

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Speaker 3: how did one lead to the other?

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Speaker 1: I love sports man. This is why this is so

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Speaker 1: emotional and like such a passion for me, because sports

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Speaker 1: are amazing. I mean I would assume a lot of

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Speaker 1: people listening to your show, and you included Nick, just

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Speaker 1: absolutely love sports. And I think sometimes when we talk

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Speaker 1: about these topics in terms of trying to improve youth sports,

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Speaker 1: I think the tendency is sometimes for people to assume

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Speaker 1: that we just don't like them and that they should

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Speaker 1: go away, And it's like the complete.

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Speaker 3: Opposite, complete opposite.

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Speaker 1: They're probably the best thing in a young kid's life.

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Speaker 1: They just have been changed in a way that is

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Speaker 1: not making it the best thing in the kid's life. Anymore.

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Speaker 1: And so when I was when I played sports and

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Speaker 1: played baseball through college, I didn't know what I wanted

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Speaker 1: to do when I was done. But I went to

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Speaker 1: a liberal arts education and I really enjoyed the sciences,

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Speaker 1: and I did a year of research actually on like

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Speaker 1: well surprised only at that time. I actually did some

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Speaker 1: many bowl of virus research, which was not the hot

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Speaker 1: topic back at that time. Nobody cared and a bowla

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Speaker 1: actually became popular recently, and so everybody thinks that's cool research,

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Speaker 1: and I was, like, nobody cared when I was doing it.

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Speaker 1: But I did that for a year and one of

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Speaker 1: the things that I noticed about it was I really

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Speaker 1: just didn't like being in a lab by myself. I'm

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Speaker 1: a very extroverted person and I wanted to talk to people.

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Speaker 1: And so I noticed that I could go and be

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Speaker 1: a doctor and talk to people and influence people's lives,

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Speaker 1: and so I applied to medical school got into medical school.

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Speaker 1: I did not know that sports medicine existed at that time,

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Speaker 1: and that's probably a little bit naive on my part

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Speaker 1: because I played at sport and had injury like I

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Speaker 1: frequently had bicepsendinitis, and I think I saw a doctor

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Speaker 1: for it, so I should have assumed that there were

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Speaker 1: sports medicine physicians, but it never really clicked that that

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Speaker 1: was like I assume that was just like a side

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Speaker 1: gig that person did. But when I found out there

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Speaker 1: sports medicine. I went to medical school at University Medical

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Speaker 1: Center in Chicago, which has like the number five orthopedic

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Speaker 1: department in the country, and I still work there, so

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Speaker 1: I guess I'm touting that. But the when I got there,

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Speaker 1: we did a lot of they did a lot of

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Speaker 1: orthopedic work, and I got to work with some of

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Speaker 1: my mentors here who were taking care of teams and

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Speaker 1: working with athletes, and it just was this perfect hybrid

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Speaker 1: of being able to work with people and do medicine

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Speaker 1: but also do something I'm very passionate about, which is

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Speaker 1: the athlete. And one of the other things I really

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Speaker 1: loved about it was, you know, not every patient who

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Speaker 1: came to see me was necessarily really sick. You know,

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Speaker 1: Like I think sometimes in medicine you can have jobs

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Speaker 1: where almost everybody seeing you is like really really sick,

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Speaker 1: and like the whole goal is just to get them

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Speaker 1: back to, you know, feeling okay and I like that

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Speaker 1: some of my job consists of people who aren't necessarily

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Speaker 1: like sick, but people who aren't performing up to the

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Speaker 1: level they want to be. Yeah, so it's a nice

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Speaker 1: combination of kind of handling both of those things. And

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Speaker 1: so I translated that into being a sports medicine physician.

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Speaker 1: I like to say, it's my way of still being

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Speaker 1: a part of the team without like the shoulder pain

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Speaker 1: of throwing a baseball. And so I get to be

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Speaker 1: in locker rooms and be around athletes, and I get

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Speaker 1: to kind of be a part of that whole. Anybody

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Speaker 1: who's been a part of a sports team knows how

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Speaker 1: good that feels to be a part of a team.

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Speaker 1: And so I get to share the emotions of wins

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Speaker 1: and losses, and I don't know more or less have

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Speaker 1: conversations of competition, and it's great. It's the best job

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Speaker 1: I could have possibly imagined that I had no idea

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Speaker 1: existed until I was actually in medical school.

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Speaker 3: And aside from your experience and experts tease and you know,

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Speaker 3: rehabilitation and just being a physician, I really wanted to

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Speaker 3: have you on to highlight your career path because you know,

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Speaker 3: ninety three percent of high school athletes don't go on

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Speaker 3: to play in college. Right, Only seven percent of high

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Speaker 3: school athletes go to play in college at some level,

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Speaker 3: but like less than one percent make a quote unquote living,

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Speaker 3: you know, playing sports. But there are so many doors

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Speaker 3: that can open up, so many relationships, so many professions,

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Speaker 3: so many ways to take your sport experience and make

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Speaker 3: a living doing it in some way, shape or form.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's so important. Like, I'm sure somewhere

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Speaker 3: along the way there was a relationship that you had

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Speaker 3: through sports that may have kicked the door open for you. Like,

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Speaker 3: do you still have any mentors to this day that

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Speaker 3: we're from your ear? Any coaches that stand out to

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Speaker 3: you that you know you have as an athlete that

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Speaker 3: you stay in touch with.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny, I don't know if I actually

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Speaker 1: stay in touch with any of my I stay in

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Speaker 1: touch with my dad. He coached me a few times.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I don't know if I stay in

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Speaker 1: touch with any of my coaches per se in that

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Speaker 1: sort of mentor way. But what I will tell you

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Speaker 1: is that the coaches played a huge role in my

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Speaker 1: growth and development. I think, you know, the atmosphere that

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Speaker 1: I was was raised in was very very supportive, and

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Speaker 1: I think when it came to having coaches, I think

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Speaker 1: it was a nice external figure to kind of deal

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Speaker 1: with hardship and deal with something that wasn't like, you know,

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Speaker 1: unconditional love per se, right, And not to say that

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Speaker 1: I didn't have supportive coaches, but I think you know,

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Speaker 1: you're you're spending a lot of time, you know, trying

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Speaker 1: to impress your coach or trying to have them say

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Speaker 1: that you did a good job, and that made a

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Speaker 1: big impact on my work ethic. I also think that

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Speaker 1: that's the vulnerable state of a child athlete though, where

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Speaker 1: a coach plays such a big role there that you

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Speaker 1: know it can obviously have negative impacts. My mind worked

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Speaker 1: out for me in my my regard. It's funny you

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Speaker 1: asked me for positives and the only two things I

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Speaker 1: could think of were negatives, which is really terrible. But

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Speaker 1: I do remember when I was like in youth basketball,

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Speaker 1: when I was like eight years old, I got like

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Speaker 1: knocked over and it hurt, and I got a and

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Speaker 1: I was crying, and I remember the coach saying to

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Speaker 1: my face, like you will never cry again, something like that,

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Speaker 1: And I remember not really crying much after that, so

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Speaker 1: that's not necessarily a good thing. And then I also

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Speaker 1: remember when I was in high school, I had a

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Speaker 1: baseball coach who hated walks and basically would just like

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Speaker 1: yell anytime somebody would walk, and like when I'm going

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Speaker 1: to base on balls, hell and he would just yell

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Speaker 1: that from the sidelines. So those are the two things

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Speaker 1: I remember from my coaches. A lot of my mentorship

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Speaker 1: going into this role came actually through doctors. But one

741
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Speaker 1: of the things I'll tell you actually extrapolating on that

742
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Speaker 1: for a second, when I read personal statements from people

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Speaker 1: who are applying into medical school or to do this job,

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Speaker 1: so many of them start with I was injured, Like

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Speaker 1: I had this injury, and then I worked with this

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Speaker 1: doctor and it made a huge role on me, and

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Speaker 1: I wanted to go into sports medicine where I worked

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Speaker 1: with this physical therapist, and that's why I wanted to

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Speaker 1: be a physical therapist. And I've actually had a few

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Speaker 1: of my athletes that I've treated reach back out to me.

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Speaker 1: It really ages me too, because like I treated them

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Speaker 1: and they were like eleven, and now they're in college

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Speaker 1: and or they're getting older and they're like, I really

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Speaker 1: want to go into sports medicine. It was because of

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Speaker 1: the time we spent together. Can I I shadow and

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Speaker 1: I've had some of them come and actually spend time

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Speaker 1: with me in clinic.

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Speaker 3: That's super cool.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so I hate that the reason we were

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Speaker 1: connected was because they were injured in the first place.

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Speaker 1: But I think that's an example of finding interests outside

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Speaker 1: of sports that still involve sports. And one of the

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Speaker 1: most common things that I tell somebody who has an

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Speaker 1: injury that's going to keep them out for a while

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Speaker 1: is I want you still to go to practice. I

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Speaker 1: want you to still be involved with your friends. I

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Speaker 1: want you to talk to the coaches. I want you

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Speaker 1: to find roles on your team that don't involve you playing,

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Speaker 1: but that you still love doing with the sport, because

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Speaker 1: there's so many roles in sports that are not the

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Speaker 1: athlete that you could do when you're done with your career.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can coach, you can go into administration,

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Speaker 1: you can be a general manager, you can be a

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00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 1: law you can do some form of like agent type stuff.

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00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: You can go into pr you can go into marketing.

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Speaker 1: I mean the amount of people who work for a

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Speaker 1: professional organization or a college that deal with sports is crazy.

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Speaker 1: It takes up whole pages and you can do any

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Speaker 1: of those things. So go and take the time that

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Speaker 1: you're often injured actually see the sport from another perspective.

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Speaker 1: And it's fun because they come back four to six

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Speaker 1: weeks later and we're still working on things and they

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Speaker 1: tell me what they found. I should make them start

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00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 1: journaling it. Now that you think about it, I should

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Speaker 1: have them start journaling it. Thanks for the idea, Nick, dude.

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Speaker 3: I love that. I haven't laughed out loud like that

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Speaker 3: on one of these in a while. That was I

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Speaker 3: probably shouldn't have laughed at that because you said a

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Speaker 3: dude said you're going to go to baseball, help oor

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Speaker 3: ball for hell whatever it was. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, Doc,

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Speaker 3: Where could people find you? Where can they connect? I

792
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Speaker 3: know you're on Twitter, let us know everything and where

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00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: they could find your research and your podcast and all that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so Professionally, I work for Midwestrothpeedics at Russian Chicago

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Speaker 1: rush author dot com as our website. In terms of independently,

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Speaker 1: I am on Instagram Jeremy Allen MD at It's at

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Speaker 1: Jeremy Allen m D on Instagram I do have a podcast.

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Speaker 1: Nick mentioned. The podcast is called Your Doctor Friends. It's

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Speaker 1: me and my colleague, doctor Julie BRUNEI. We've been doing

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Speaker 1: this for about a year. We're answering all of the

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00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 1: questions you wish you could call our text your doctor Friend.

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00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: We were getting calls and texts about questions all the time,

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00:35:02,680 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: like what do I do with this? Or my son

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00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: has that or whatever, and I said we should just

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Speaker 1: be answering these on a podcast form. And you've been

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Speaker 1: living under a rock if you didn't know that. There's

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Speaker 1: a lot of medical misinformation out there. So we are

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Speaker 1: trying to answer questions approachably. It's fun, it has the

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00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:19,680
Speaker 1: explicit tag it's meant to be a good time, but

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Speaker 1: it also is evidence based. It's good information. We have

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Speaker 1: experts on from all over the country. I mean, we've

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Speaker 1: had some the world's premiere like gluten expert on recently,

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Speaker 1: we have people from the private sector. We had the

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Speaker 1: VP of science from whoop on, which is kind of cool.

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00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: So lots of different cool topics. So check us out

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00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 1: on anywhere you get podcasts. I think that's enough for

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Speaker 1: finding me.

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Speaker 3: Hell yeah, doctor Jeremy Man, I can't thank you for

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Speaker 3: coming on to love your energy. I'm going to start

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Speaker 3: listening to your pod too. I'll tell my wife because

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Speaker 3: she's definitely going to be when I tell her that

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Speaker 3: you're answering questions that people feel like, she's going to

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Speaker 3: be like, I'm in on that. So I appreciate it,

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Speaker 3: and it was great to connect with you. I appreciate

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Speaker 3: you taking the time to share with us.

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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed the time.

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Speaker 4: Nick.

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Speaker 1: Thanks.

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Speaker 2: That's doctor Jeremy Allen, primary care sports medicine physician. Thanks

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Speaker 2: for listening to the Reform Sports Project podcast. Dominick Bonacort

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Speaker 2: and Our goal is to restore a healthy balance and

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