Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.
Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Getty.
Speaker 3: I do hope and believe that the vote today is
Speaker 3: a very strong signal to the markets, to investors, job creators, entrepreneurs,
Speaker 3: the people that make the economy run, that the Congress
Speaker 3: is going to get us on stout sound footing. And
Speaker 3: you can count on that and you can bet on it.
Speaker 3: And the auto I think today wud be a great
Speaker 3: day to buy stuff.
Speaker 4: Speaker Johnson, Congress is going to get us on sound footing. Well,
Speaker 4: that would be something we'd like to welcome to the
Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty show. Our old friend David Dructor, who've
Speaker 4: been talking to four years, who is now with The Dispatch.
Speaker 4: I hear him on a regular basis, senior writer at
Speaker 4: the Dispatch, on various TV appearances and Dispatch podcasts which
Speaker 4: I hear weekly. It says here David, when Drugger is
Speaker 4: not covering American politics for the Dispatch, he enjoys hanging
Speaker 4: out with this two boys.
Speaker 2: That's nice.
Speaker 4: That's what I do too. And listening to his wife's
Speaker 4: excellent taste in music. Did you write this?
Speaker 1: I did write it, But it's true.
Speaker 4: That's interesting that so she have a particularly good taste
Speaker 4: and you just sit in there, you sit down and
Speaker 4: listen to it in your make.
Speaker 1: Let's be clear, even if she have bad taste, she
Speaker 1: was sure run the music of the family I understand
Speaker 1: to have. But if she has to have extremely good
Speaker 1: taste of music.
Speaker 2: Oh cool. How old are your kids?
Speaker 1: Our oldest turns thirteen on Monday, and our youngest, our
Speaker 1: other boy, will be tennis a while.
Speaker 4: I have two boys in there, thirteen and fifteen, and
Speaker 4: I have just started into the whole teenage thing, which,
Speaker 4: like you've learned, as I learned with all of parenting,
Speaker 4: every phase is completely different and practically none of your
Speaker 4: skills from the last phase are of any use.
Speaker 1: This is one of the first things that I realized
Speaker 1: some years ago, was it just when you figure out
Speaker 1: how to do it right, they change and you have
Speaker 1: to learn all over again.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I know how to handle a baby, Okay, I know
Speaker 4: how to handle a toddler. Okay, I know how to
Speaker 4: handle a four year old, But then they're not that anymore,
Speaker 4: and so yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: I think you probably said.
Speaker 4: This last year. I know lots of pundits. Did man
Speaker 4: Trump gets elected? The biggest story first year? Get ready
Speaker 4: for this. It's going to be all about the Trump
Speaker 4: tax cuts and whether they're renewed or not. This is
Speaker 4: going to be the biggest political story in America. Everybody
Speaker 4: will be talking about it. Well, we haven't been talking
Speaker 4: about it because Trump has been doing so many different
Speaker 4: things doge and now tariffs and everything like that that
Speaker 4: get all the attention. We haven't been talking about this,
Speaker 4: but it's still been kind of burblin behind the scenes.
Speaker 4: Tell us where we are with all of this legislation, Well, I.
Speaker 1: Mean it gets kind of into the weeds. But in
Speaker 1: order to take advantage of this process called record faciliation,
Speaker 1: which is a limited legislative process in Congress that allows
Speaker 1: you to avoid a filibuster in the Senate, you have
Speaker 1: to get the House and the Senate to agree on
Speaker 1: what's called a budget resolution, which provides the contours of
Speaker 1: taxation and spending and spending cuts but doesn't sell any
Speaker 1: of the blanks. But first you have to get the
Speaker 1: two chambers to agree on the top line numbers. All right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna We're going to cut one hundred and five
Speaker 1: trillion in spending, I think is what's in this budget
Speaker 1: resolution that finally passed the House after passing the Senate.
Speaker 1: We're going to cut taxes of this much. I don't
Speaker 1: know all these numbers in my head, We're going to
Speaker 1: spend this much. And so then once you do that,
Speaker 1: then the committees you know the ways it means committee,
Speaker 1: Energy and Commerce, Committee or whatever you know in the Senate,
Speaker 1: the Finance Committee and whatever, all the committees of jurisdiction
Speaker 1: can then go about processing actual detailed legislation with all
Speaker 1: the numbers, and then you know the plan is, and
Speaker 1: this is how it's worked in the past. You know,
Speaker 1: you get to a point where the party that's running
Speaker 1: the reconciliation bill, because both parties have used this process,
Speaker 1: they agree and then they run votes, and then the
Speaker 1: opposition cries foul and then it passes. Now, you know,
Speaker 1: one of the things about reconciliation is you can't just
Speaker 1: do anything right, can't You can't just do any policy
Speaker 1: and have to have taxing and bending implications.
Speaker 2: Is there a judge on this, like somebody are paneled?
Speaker 1: Well, there's a part, there's a parliamentarian in the House
Speaker 1: and a parliamentarian in the Senate. Of course, the House
Speaker 1: in the Senate can overrule their parliamentarian to some degree.
Speaker 1: You know, in two thousand and nine, when the Democrats
Speaker 1: lost their super majority in the Senate, there's sixty of
Speaker 1: vote because Scott Brown was elected to Kennedy who had
Speaker 1: passed away. It looked like Democrats may not be able
Speaker 1: to finish the process of passing the legislation that we
Speaker 1: call Obamacare, and instead they just basically stretched the limits
Speaker 1: of what reconciliation was able to do. Under Perry Reads leadership,
Speaker 1: he was the majority leader, and they passed it even
Speaker 1: though they didn't have sixty votes. And when you don't
Speaker 1: have sixty votes, all you need is fifty one or
Speaker 1: a simple majority. However that works out, the vice president
Speaker 1: can you be the tie breaking vote. So listen, I've
Speaker 1: always thought that they would get the reconciliation build on
Speaker 1: one way or the other, especially given Trump's standing in
Speaker 1: the Republican Party. But Trump, as he likes to do,
Speaker 1: finds other ways to sideline what should be his best
Speaker 1: and biggest story, and that's by his ill fated attempt
Speaker 1: to reshape global trade, which was never going to work
Speaker 1: out the way he wanted it to. Still won't work
Speaker 1: out the way he wants it to, and it has
Speaker 1: caused the market's pain. But when the markets have pain,
Speaker 1: you know, somebody who used to run a small business,
Speaker 1: I can tell you small businesses end up having pain
Speaker 1: because Main Street is inextricably linked to Wall Street. People
Speaker 1: may not think they're invested, but their pensions are, and
Speaker 1: you know, their four on one ks are, the retirement
Speaker 1: counts are, and people have pensions, they have retirement accounts.
Speaker 1: It also, you know, impacts treasury bonds, meaning you know
Speaker 1: the price of debt that the US government sells, and
Speaker 1: then that impacts interest rates. So even if you have
Speaker 1: no money in the market but you want a car
Speaker 1: loan or a mortgage for a home, I mean, there's
Speaker 1: just no way around it, right, There's no protection from
Speaker 1: this stuff. So that's why we haven't been talking about
Speaker 1: this because Trump decided he didn't want to talk about it.
Speaker 4: Right, Well, does he feel like it's to his advantage
Speaker 4: to not be talking about the whole renew and the
Speaker 4: taxes and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. But even for Trump, and sometimes
Speaker 1: it seems illogical, but you know he has his I mean,
Speaker 1: he wasn'tlected president twice, and he's a really good politician
Speaker 1: talking about how he's going to cut taxes for average Americans,
Speaker 1: which which is what is in this bill, right. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody focuses on the income tax cuts, but
Speaker 1: you know, the funny thing about the tax bill, right,
Speaker 1: what they want to do is sort of make the
Speaker 1: Trump tax cuts from the first term, right, pre bide
Speaker 1: and permanent. And Democrats did a really good job of
Speaker 1: convincing people these were all tax cuts for the rich,
Speaker 1: but actually a lot of middle class and lower class
Speaker 1: Americans receive tax benefits. Some people don't even pay income
Speaker 1: taxes anymore because of the first Trump tax bill and
Speaker 1: this new bill, you know, no taxes on tips, no
Speaker 1: taxes on Social Security income. I believe you want to
Speaker 1: put a measure in there that says, if you, you know,
Speaker 1: are financing an American made car, you can write off
Speaker 1: the interest. So there's all this stuff in there for
Speaker 1: regular people so called. And you know, people may complain
Speaker 1: about the capital gains cuts, but you know, cutting capital
Speaker 1: gains is really good for an investment, which means people
Speaker 1: can invest in things that resulted more jobs and you know,
Speaker 1: wealthy people buying products and things that middle class people
Speaker 1: are building. So I don't see why Trump wouldn't want
Speaker 1: to be talking about this. But he has always liked Paris,
Speaker 1: he has always believed. He doesn't believe many things, but
Speaker 1: he believes a few things. And this thing with trade
Speaker 1: he's believed going back to the nineteen.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've played the clips of him on Oprah or
Speaker 4: Letterman or wherever.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing is, you know, if anybody thought
Speaker 1: he wasn't going to do this, they were just silly,
Speaker 1: because all you have to do is listen to what
Speaker 1: he said and understand that if he was going to
Speaker 1: be re elected after everything that went on at the
Speaker 1: end of the first term and in the middle of
Speaker 1: the first and second term, exactly why was he going
Speaker 1: to show up and feel hesitant to do what he
Speaker 1: wanted to do?
Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't be if I was in That's what
Speaker 4: I've been talking about my whole life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's common sense. It's but a lot of
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of Republican donors and
Speaker 1: a lot of the people that supported him, and it
Speaker 1: makes sell us and I understand you know, totally makes
Speaker 1: sense him over eris, you know, on balance. But the
Speaker 1: idea that you didn't build in what he's done in
Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks or the past couple of months, really,
Speaker 1: that you didn't build into the price of admission what
Speaker 1: this might cost you. I mean, that just shows you
Speaker 1: that even people with money aren't always that bright.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I was gonna throw out as a trivia question earlier
Speaker 4: today just because it's extraordinary, how much has been going
Speaker 4: on in the last couple of months.
Speaker 2: How long has Trump been president?
Speaker 4: Today is day eighty two, eighty two days he's been president,
Speaker 4: and it seems like it's been years of stories and reporting.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: David Drucker of The Dispatch here, Hey, you said you
Speaker 4: were you were a small business owner.
Speaker 2: What was your business?
Speaker 1: Yeah, this goes back thirty years ago. But my my
Speaker 1: family owned a sales and marketing firm, and we also
Speaker 1: manufactured window covering like vertical blinds.
Speaker 2: And shade and things like that.
Speaker 1: And I was a part owner along with them. It
Speaker 1: was a very small firm. We didn't have a lot
Speaker 1: of investment capital, really have any investment capital. I wasn't
Speaker 1: really very I made so many mistakes that after about
Speaker 1: seven years of doing it and not doing that well,
Speaker 1: I finally figured out how to not make mistakes anymore.
Speaker 1: And then I started to think about whether I wanted
Speaker 1: to do that thing for the next forty years, and
Speaker 1: I devided I did not. My parents' side of the
Speaker 1: business has always the very successful side. My side was
Speaker 1: the manufacturing side, light manufacturing, distribution, things like that. But
Speaker 1: because of that, I understand the impact of government regulations.
Speaker 1: I understand inventory and waste, and competition from overseas and competition,
Speaker 1: domestic competition, you know all of that, and you know
Speaker 1: it helps inform I think.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm amazed by uh.
Speaker 4: I've always had so much respect and awe for people
Speaker 4: who start a small business and then run it and
Speaker 4: make a success out of it and everything you got
Speaker 4: to pour into it.
Speaker 2: It's just amazing.
Speaker 1: It is, it really is. And those are probably the
Speaker 1: people I still admire most are people that do that.
Speaker 1: I love to read about how they went from nothing
Speaker 1: to something. And you know, I you know, especially people
Speaker 1: you know that are not And this is, by the way,
Speaker 1: there's a there. Every kind of success I think is
Speaker 1: a great success, but people that that just didn't have
Speaker 1: any investment capital because the industry, you know, it was
Speaker 1: too competitive or it's just not the kind of industry
Speaker 1: that creates that sort of feed and you have to
Speaker 1: you know, beg barrow and steal to get it started.
Speaker 1: And and there's such a talent for running a business.
Speaker 1: There's a talent in managing people. And you can take
Speaker 1: all the business classes in the world and it really
Speaker 1: does help to at least understand profit and loss and
Speaker 1: and all of that. But this other stuff, it's like
Speaker 1: an art form.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Absolutely, Yeah, I'm amazingly impressed. And that's cool that you
Speaker 4: did that. I understand now where you're coming from on
Speaker 4: some of the things you talk about and write about, Hey,
Speaker 4: we got to take we gotta be done because we're
Speaker 4: up against our break. But just as quickly as you can.
Speaker 4: Do you think most of the Trump tax cuts from
Speaker 4: the first term do become permanent?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I do. I mean I think they'll get reconciliation in
Speaker 1: one way or the other. Yeah, they might have to.
Speaker 1: It may not work out exactly the way they want,
Speaker 1: but they'll they'll they'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: Cool. Well, thank you, David Drucker. Enjoy those boys and
Speaker 2: your wife's music.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 4: We got a lot more on the way of different stripes.
Speaker 4: I want to get back to the New York Times
Speaker 4: story that I brought you last hour. If you don't
Speaker 4: know what it is, stick around. I can't tell you
Speaker 4: a short version of it because it's too disgusting and
Speaker 4: that would be unfair. But that's on the way, among
Speaker 4: other things, stay right here, get over.
Speaker 6: This week released an annual list of items customers left
Speaker 6: behind in their cars, and there's some incredible stuff of
Speaker 6: Some of the belonging these passengers left in their ubers
Speaker 6: include a madeqan head had a chainsaw, a ghost trap
Speaker 6: from Ghostbusters.
Speaker 2: Shrek ears, a urinal.
Speaker 6: Someone left a bottle of fresh breast milk, which I
Speaker 6: have two questions for that.
Speaker 2: How do they know his breast milk?
Speaker 6: And more concerningly, how did they know what was fresh?
Speaker 4: A chainsaw, a mannequin head? Maybe those two things went together.
Speaker 2: Not sure.
Speaker 4: So I started into this story last hour, didn't have
Speaker 4: time to get a.
Speaker 2: Few more of the details. So I'm going to try
Speaker 2: to do that now.
Speaker 4: And as Byron new York said in the Washington Examiner,
Speaker 4: this is a story from the New York Times. The
Speaker 4: New York Times seems to be worried that subway necrophilia
Speaker 4: will make the city look bad. Necrophilia of courses people
Speaker 4: who for some reason like the idea of this is
Speaker 4: not for the kids or the queenish. Nope, having sex
Speaker 4: with a dead body, which I'm not as concerned about
Speaker 4: my corpse being defiled as some people are.
Speaker 2: Once I'm dead, do whatever you want with me, I
Speaker 2: don't care.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's up to you, but I don't feel
Speaker 4: like it has anything to do with my life anyhow.
Speaker 4: It's weird to want to do that. The living person
Speaker 4: is the focus. That's where my concern is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I'm about to sneeze. Oh oh oh, no, okay,
Speaker 2: went away.
Speaker 4: Police seek man who they say violated a corpse on
Speaker 4: the R train. And it's got a picture of the subway,
Speaker 4: so you know what the subway looks like. New York
Speaker 4: subways have been the subject of debate, with politicians using
Speaker 4: them to paint the city is out of control and
Speaker 4: dangerous to residents and visitors.
Speaker 2: And then you have this story.
Speaker 4: The police were searching on Thursday for a man investigators
Speaker 4: believe violated a dead man Wednesday night on a train
Speaker 4: in a Manhattan subway station. According to an internal police document,
Speaker 4: the person who died, I guess you can die anywhere,
Speaker 4: But this guy got on the R train at eight
Speaker 4: o'clock at night. According to a law enforcement official with
Speaker 4: knowledge of the mas, he had watched the videos because
Speaker 4: they got cameras in all the subways. It was unclear
Speaker 4: when or how the person died. A man entered the
Speaker 4: same empty train car at around eleven. Within forty five minutes,
Speaker 4: the man saw the dead man, then began to rummage
Speaker 4: through his pockets. Then the man began to have sex
Speaker 4: with the body. According to the video and the official documents,
Speaker 4: the sexual acts were captured on surveillance cameras inside the
Speaker 4: train car. Soon after, the man got off the train
Speaker 4: and fled. Well that was good luck for me, wasn't it,
Speaker 4: he thought, and got off the train. The police on
Speaker 4: Thursday released images of the man. He had a goateee man.
Speaker 4: Never trust somebody of the goates, Oh boy, carrying a
Speaker 4: black backpack and wearing a yellow hooded sweatshirt, a black
Speaker 4: puffer jacket and a blue Dodgers baseball cap.
Speaker 2: Dodgers fans, Yeah, i'd see.
Speaker 4: I shouldn't say that, I know a couple of Dodgers
Speaker 4: fans who would punch me in the face for that joke.
Speaker 2: This is the part I like.
Speaker 4: The episode occurred as New York City subways had become
Speaker 4: the subject of a national debate about poor governance. Bah
Speaker 4: blah blah blah. So again, the New York Times seems
Speaker 4: to think that people dying on the trail, if you
Speaker 4: die on the train by accident, somebody is gonna sex
Speaker 4: up your dead body. They think that's a bad look
Speaker 4: for the subway system, and they're concerned about that.
Speaker 2: Let's the ripple effects. Now, let's just copycat crimes. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, what are the chance that you wouldn't
Speaker 4: think there'd be one in a million chants that this
Speaker 4: could happen, that you would come across a human being
Speaker 4: who wouldn't think, oh my god, is that person okay?
Speaker 4: You know, go try to wake them up, figure out
Speaker 4: their dead immediately, call nine to one one or first stop.
Speaker 4: You're screaming to the you know, some official, I've got
Speaker 4: a dead bit. No you think, all right, yeah, this
Speaker 4: guy sprinted in the opposite direction from what you just described. Wow,
Speaker 4: I hope they catch a guy and interview him that's
Speaker 4: so crazy, and you got you gotta lock him up.
Speaker 2: Well I was gonna say lock him up forever, but well,
Speaker 2: they've made contact with his brother, so they're on their way.
Speaker 2: They figured out who his brother is. Yeah, apparently this
Speaker 2: guy's identifying the.
Speaker 4: Did his brother know that his sibling was a corpse
Speaker 4: blanker story?
Speaker 5: Dickens, Yeah, Armstrong and Geeddy.
Speaker 7: Sanctuary cities are sanctuary for criminals, bottom line, that's who
Speaker 7: we're concentrating on, arresting the priorities public safety threads and
Speaker 7: national security threads. For any elected official to tell his
Speaker 7: police officers not to help us remove public safety treads
Speaker 7: from his community, which he's responsible for, is just sickening.
Speaker 2: So we're going to keep doing it.
Speaker 4: You probably recognize the voice of Tom Holman there and
Speaker 4: talking about sanctuary cities. Trump had a tweet or truth
Speaker 4: that he put out yesterday that he's coming after sanctuary
Speaker 4: city's going to cut the federal funding. I'm sure that
Speaker 4: will be challenged. It'll get to the Supreme Court finally,
Speaker 4: I hope. But it's another one of those issues that
Speaker 4: the Democratic Party seems to be on the wrong side of.
Speaker 4: A eighty twenty or seventy thirty issue, which brings me
Speaker 4: to wanting to talk to long Heat. He's a David
Speaker 4: and Diane Stephi Fellow at an American Public Policy Study
Speaker 4: Studies at the Hoover Institution and the Director of Domestic
Speaker 4: Policy Studies at Stanford University, Lana. He got more Republican
Speaker 4: votes a couple cycles ago when he ran for comptroller
Speaker 4: in California than any Republican in the entire country, including
Speaker 4: Ron DeSantis, which is amazing, Lanai. Welcome back to the
Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty Show.
Speaker 2: Hey Jack, thanks for having me again and speaking to DeSantis.
Speaker 4: And this is where I want to go with Gavin
Speaker 4: Newsom's prospects for running for president and my main question
Speaker 4: that I've had for quite a while now, and you
Speaker 4: might be the perfect person to answer it.
Speaker 2: But this headline right now.
Speaker 4: Florida teacher is first to be fired for using students
Speaker 4: preferred name without parents consent.
Speaker 2: In Florida, where they have a law the teacher.
Speaker 4: Can't call Jimmy Jane in class just because the student
Speaker 4: wants that without talking to the parents about it, the
Speaker 4: opposite of what the law is in California, where the
Speaker 4: schools are not allowed to contact the parents and I
Speaker 4: was just wondering, do you think Gavin Newsom can run
Speaker 4: for president being on the twenty side of an eighty
Speaker 4: twenty issue like this and many others.
Speaker 2: This is just one example.
Speaker 5: It is just one example. You're right. I think what
Speaker 5: will be interesting is Gavin Newsom's effort to reinvent himself.
Speaker 5: And the reason I say that is because if I
Speaker 5: don't know, Jack you have you listened to the guy's
Speaker 5: podcast or have you? I mean, all of this sort
Speaker 5: of effort to make himself into a reasonably minded, more
Speaker 5: moderate Democrat is interesting. It's politically expedient given the fact
Speaker 5: that the Democratic Party remains really without leadership. If you
Speaker 5: look at the structure as well as the nature of
Speaker 5: the different things that Democrats are saying, there really isn't
Speaker 5: a national leader. So you can't blame Gavin Newsom for
Speaker 5: trying to step into that vacuum. You know, I said
Speaker 5: recently on television that politics ab whoors a vacuum, and
Speaker 5: I think what you're seeing now are efforts on the
Speaker 5: parts of different Democrats to try and take that leadership mantle. Now.
Speaker 5: I don't know, frankly, how effective it will be. To me,
Speaker 5: it comes off as very disingenuous and somewhat comical the
Speaker 5: degree to which Gavin Newsom is trying to remake himself.
Speaker 5: Now that having been said, there is room for a
Speaker 5: more moderate Democrat, somebody who's governed divererning experience, and he's
Speaker 5: trying to fit that mold. Now, the question is whether
Speaker 5: his reinvention will be successful. But I think that's what
Speaker 5: he's trying to do, and he's trying to make people
Speaker 5: forget how many times to your point, precisely, he has
Speaker 5: been on the twenty percent side of the eighty twenty issue.
Speaker 5: And it's not just on this one, Jack, There's a
Speaker 5: whole bunch of ways, whether it's on extreme environmental policies,
Speaker 5: extreme policies to dampen business creation and job creation, policies,
Speaker 5: to put in place a socialist health care all of
Speaker 5: these ways well.
Speaker 4: And the reason that the reason that I played the
Speaker 4: sanctuary city clip to you, to combine those two things,
Speaker 4: the transition and the sanctuary city thing, he's way out
Speaker 4: of line with the American people.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean I think you know, in politics,
Speaker 5: one of the things you can be sure of is
Speaker 5: that people will be made a weird. Opponents will make
Speaker 5: people aware of your record, and I think that he can. Trial.
Speaker 5: He wants to rebuild himself and re architect himself, but
Speaker 5: you know, he is who he is. And it goes
Speaker 5: back to having been mayor of San Francisco all the
Speaker 5: time he's been governor until the last six months or
Speaker 5: last three months, when he's trying to cozy f to
Speaker 5: President Trump and to do various other things that make
Speaker 5: him seem more moderate. To me at least, I think
Speaker 5: it won't work. But I've seen weird things before in politics.
Speaker 5: Well you never, I guess.
Speaker 4: So you're the perfect person to ask this because you've
Speaker 4: been involved in campaigns of Romney's campaign and he got
Speaker 4: the nomination Marco Rubio's campaign and he didn't get the
Speaker 4: nom You have to get the nomination first, And that's
Speaker 4: what I have to keep reminding myself is that you know,
Speaker 4: you got the general election play, but you got to
Speaker 4: get the nomination in a party that you saw how
Speaker 4: everybody came after Gavin when in that first episode of
Speaker 4: his podcast, he kind of he didn't even make a
Speaker 4: bold statement, He just kind of hinted that maybe he
Speaker 4: wasn't all in on dudes participating in girls' sports and
Speaker 4: he got killed by the left.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he did get killed by the left, and he
Speaker 5: got killed by a lot of activist groups on the left,
Speaker 5: as well as activist members of the left who make
Speaker 5: up a disproportionate percentage of participants in Democratic primaries when
Speaker 5: we begin to get to the voting around twenty twenty eight,
Speaker 5: obviously a long time between now and the start of
Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight, so a lot can change. But I
Speaker 5: do think that this is always the challenge in American
Speaker 5: politics of how do you navigate between getting through a
Speaker 5: primary and winning a general election? To your point, the
Speaker 5: dynamics are really different in one electorate versus another.
Speaker 4: Can he get then, so all the polling shows Democrats
Speaker 4: are crying out for like a moderate candidate, you know,
Speaker 4: a left of center Democrat. Can can you get the
Speaker 4: nomination in the current Democratic Party as that person just
Speaker 4: you know, kind of like not having a name attached
Speaker 4: to it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a million dollar question. I mean, can can
Speaker 5: basically can you repeat what Joe Biden did? Because us
Speaker 5: remember Joe Biden was sort of the moderate Democrat when
Speaker 5: when he had hard to remember now twenty hard to remember.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's like ancient history, right, it was just
Speaker 5: five years ago, you know, I don't know. I think
Speaker 5: some of it's going to depend on on how the
Speaker 5: midterms go in twenty six and the degree to which
Speaker 5: there continues to be this overarching If the overarching narrative
Speaker 5: in the Democratic Party continues to be let's define our
Speaker 5: success by opposition to Donald Trump, I have a tough
Speaker 5: time seeing how moderates do well in that in that setting.
Speaker 5: The reason I bring up the midterm elections is because
Speaker 5: I think if Democrats do reasonably well in the midterms,
Speaker 5: and let's say reasonably well or better than expected, that
Speaker 5: might relieve some of the pressure there will be to
Speaker 5: have a more extreme left candidate. I think if they
Speaker 5: don't do well for some reason in the midterms, it
Speaker 5: is going to force this is a little bit ironic,
Speaker 5: and this might be counterintuitive. I think it's going to
Speaker 5: force the Democrat base even further left, and that is
Speaker 5: going to be a problem if people are trying to
Speaker 5: run the gamut by going through the middle. So I
Speaker 5: mean these dynamics, I think there's a lot of things
Speaker 5: in play. A lot of things are very very fluid
Speaker 5: between now and then, but these are some of the
Speaker 5: things I would watch out for, watch out for the
Speaker 5: mid term performance. I'd watch out for how much of
Speaker 5: that Democrat messaging continues to be anti Trump. And then
Speaker 5: I would look and see what other politicians are doing.
Speaker 5: Look at Gretchen and Whitmer. I don't know if you
Speaker 5: guys talked about Greshen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan who
Speaker 5: found herself in the Oval office earlier this week, and
Speaker 5: Donald Trump actually praised her, and she actually had some
Speaker 5: nice things to say about him that might tell you
Speaker 5: a little bit about where the party is headed and
Speaker 5: the degree to which it's leaders believe they have to
Speaker 5: be more moderate.
Speaker 4: Can i do three yes no questions, and then I'll
Speaker 4: ask you like an essay question. Out of the yes
Speaker 4: no questions, the first one Gavin Newsom going to run
Speaker 4: for president yes or no?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay. Kamala Harris going to run for president, yes
Speaker 2: or no no. Kamala Harris going to run for governor
Speaker 2: yes or no? Yes, okay.
Speaker 4: So she's going to run for governor in California. New
Speaker 4: York Times had a story the other day that wasn't
Speaker 4: the greatest for Kamala Harris because it mentioned, for instance,
Speaker 4: that big Wisconsin vote a week ago for the Supreme
Speaker 4: Court justice, the state Supreme Court justice. They Wisconsin Democrats
Speaker 4: didn't want her in the state in an election they
Speaker 4: had to win.
Speaker 2: That's painful. Where does that leave her?
Speaker 5: Well, it leaves her in California, And that's why I
Speaker 5: think that you know, she still has First of all,
Speaker 5: in politics, the greatest gift you can have is that
Speaker 5: people recognize your name. And we've seen that over and
Speaker 5: over again. And you know, regardless of how people feel
Speaker 5: about Kamala Harris, people recognize her name, certainly in California,
Speaker 5: So she starts off with a huge intrinsic advantage in
Speaker 5: that respect. I think the other question is, when you
Speaker 5: are a sort of you know, washed up candidate, what
Speaker 5: do you do right? I mean, do you It's not
Speaker 5: like she's got some deep well of private sector experience
Speaker 5: where she can go back to life and career in
Speaker 5: the private sector. Naturally, the sort of thinking gravitates toward politics,
Speaker 5: and so I would think that as she looks at California,
Speaker 5: she sees a tremendous political opportunity here A because she
Speaker 5: remains reasonably popular. B because everyone knows who she is
Speaker 5: and see because can you name any of the other
Speaker 5: Democrats who are running in that primary for governor? I mean,
Speaker 5: you can probably do a jack Many of your listeners
Speaker 5: can probably do it. But I'll tell you something. If
Speaker 5: you go around California and you just show up at
Speaker 5: the Safeway and you ask people, hey, uh elany Cunelacus,
Speaker 5: they may say, hey, do I find her on Aisle five?
Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's just not one of those
Speaker 5: things where people have a huge amount of recognition. So
Speaker 5: she can step into that contest, God, I just instantly
Speaker 5: be competitive.
Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if I can live in
Speaker 4: a state where Kamala Harris is a governor and Adam
Speaker 4: Shift's one of the senators.
Speaker 2: I just don't know if I can handle that. I
Speaker 2: might have to start in Nevada.
Speaker 5: I was gonna say, you you're you're believe me, You're
Speaker 5: not the only one. So I just I just think
Speaker 5: that there is a I mean, let's be let's be
Speaker 5: clear about this. That the pathway for her to become
Speaker 5: governor of California, I think is a lot more reasonable
Speaker 5: and and sort of easy to define than any other
Speaker 5: political pathway she might have in the in the in
Speaker 5: the near future. So we just have to be aware
Speaker 5: of the fact that in the reality of politics, this
Speaker 5: is a great opportunity for her.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you're not the kind of person that
Speaker 4: would answer this question. Really, but do you think she's dumb?
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not. That's more than I.
Speaker 5: Don't.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't think it's I don't think it's you know, look,
Speaker 5: people have, people are smart in different ways.
Speaker 2: There you go, and and.
Speaker 5: I think that, uh, she has had a reasonably successful
Speaker 5: political career given what I believe to be relatively few accomplishments.
Speaker 5: And that's not a reflection of your question. I understand
Speaker 5: that you're you're asking a different question. I think it's
Speaker 5: ultimately up for voters to assess that.
Speaker 2: And and by the way, well, well I.
Speaker 5: Was gonna say, I'm not sure how much it really matters, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, whether whether whether you know one's intelligence in
Speaker 5: the grand scheme of politics. I mean, we've got a
Speaker 5: lot of people who are who are out there who
Speaker 5: are doing public sector job, particularly elected officials, who you know,
Speaker 5: we've seen some sharper tool of them.
Speaker 4: The thing that angered me the most with her, and
Speaker 4: you know, we're rehashing what is now ancient history. I
Speaker 4: guess when she didn't take a stand in those final
Speaker 4: days on do you think we should start locking up
Speaker 4: criminals in California? That you know, what do you call them?
Speaker 4: What's the word? You wouldn't we go out and vote
Speaker 4: on an issue in California they don't have a numbers
Speaker 4: prop referendum.
Speaker 2: She wouldn't even.
Speaker 4: Take a stand on one of our initiatives about locking
Speaker 4: people up. What it was polling, it was gonna win
Speaker 4: by you know, many, many many points, and it did,
Speaker 4: and she wouldn't take a stand on that.
Speaker 2: I thought, oh my.
Speaker 5: God, well, Jack, that's a different issue that that. That
Speaker 5: speaks to the fact that I think, and this was
Speaker 5: a problem that I think her campaign had generally, is
Speaker 5: I think they they tried to triangulate too much, right,
Speaker 5: they tried to be they tried to thread too many Yeah.
Speaker 4: God, you gotta take a take a position.
Speaker 5: Listen. And by the way, the American people agreed with you,
Speaker 5: because because they did not, they didn't particularly find her
Speaker 5: campaign to be all that compelling. And I think one
Speaker 5: of the reasons why is precisely because she would not
Speaker 5: take a stand on even issues like should we criminalize
Speaker 5: crime again in California. And if you can't even take
Speaker 5: a stand on the issue like that, you know you're
Speaker 5: going to have some problems politically.
Speaker 4: And I think I would say I would say, man
Speaker 4: the opposite of a profile and courage, LANEA.
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Speaker 2: We always like your time.
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Speaker 2: Thanks Alani, Hey, Thanks Shack. Yeah, yeah, well that was.
Speaker 4: It's not like I was, you know, a big Kamala
Speaker 4: Harris fan before that, But to me, that was the
Speaker 4: end of it. You don't have what it takes to
Speaker 4: be a politician. I mean, if you can't take a
Speaker 4: stand on a position like that, that in your own
Speaker 4: state is going to pass.
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Speaker 8: Master's favorite Rory McElroy racing his four year old daughter
Speaker 8: Poppy to the green Poppy who is just four on
Speaker 8: the night pole there attempting a difficult twenty five foot
Speaker 8: putt downhill.
Speaker 2: And she makes it.
Speaker 8: The crowd cheering, hugging dad Rory McInroy calling the contest
Speaker 8: always one of the best days of the year.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the Master's Golf Tournament, which is the biggest
Speaker 4: tournament they have every year in the world of golf.
Speaker 4: If you're into that, I'm not, but a lot of
Speaker 4: people are. And that's where Joe is. Actually, he's at
Speaker 4: the Master's Golf Tournament. And that was a four year
Speaker 4: old making a twenty five year yard putt, which if
Speaker 4: you're a golfer probably I don't know if that makes
Speaker 4: you happy or sick to your stomach.
Speaker 2: I don't know. If you've one of the most.
Speaker 4: Not one of the most, by far, the most common
Speaker 4: question Joe and I ever get if we're ever meeting
Speaker 4: new anybody, How did you guys meet.
Speaker 2: I don't know why that question is so prevalent, but
Speaker 2: it is.
Speaker 4: Anyway, what we started doing to get we worked at
Speaker 4: competing radio stations. We started playing golf together because we
Speaker 4: were both golf fanatics and.
Speaker 2: We were twenty five years old. Geez, that's a long time.
Speaker 4: Ago, and we played golf all the time. And then
Speaker 4: we decided to put a radio show together, and we
Speaker 4: started doing a fake radio show and recording it and
Speaker 4: sending out tapes to radio stations. That's how we started,
Speaker 4: but I didn't know that. Oh you didn't know that, Okay,
Speaker 4: I felt like cool. I feel like I've told that
Speaker 4: story so many times that it is boring to tell.
Speaker 2: I haven't told it in the last couple of years
Speaker 2: because that's really I had no idea. That's awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we worked at different radio stations. We were both
Speaker 4: on in the morning. I was on a music station,
Speaker 4: he was on a well, we were both on music stations,
Speaker 4: but he was on the news music station and I
Speaker 4: was on just like a young person's music station. We're
Speaker 4: twenty five years old. And they were dead end jobs,
Speaker 4: very low paying dead end jobs. Yeah, I mean very
Speaker 4: low paying.
Speaker 2: And we uh.
Speaker 4: The first time I since you've never heard this story,
Speaker 4: I'll tell it again. The first time I ever heard
Speaker 4: him all my life. I was at a bar for
Speaker 4: a trivia contest at night, and he was the MC
Speaker 4: for the trivia contest. I think he did it for
Speaker 4: extra money or free beer or something, because we're poor people.
Speaker 4: And and and he would say funny things when he
Speaker 4: was doing the trivia contest, and I thought, Wow, that
Speaker 4: guy is really funny. And it kind of bothered me
Speaker 4: that a guy that worked at another radio station was
Speaker 4: funny because I thought I was the funny guy in
Speaker 4: town and the fact that there was a different funny
Speaker 4: guy in town was bothered them to me guys anyway,
Speaker 4: So I met him, and I mean like immediately that
Speaker 4: we found out we like to play golf, and we
Speaker 4: started playing golf together, and that's we came up with
Speaker 4: the idea. We both liked a lot of the same
Speaker 4: radio shows that we grew up listening to out of Chicago.
Speaker 4: Even though he lived in Chicago, I didn't, but a
Speaker 4: very famous AM Chicago station, WLS, you could hear all
Speaker 4: over the Midwest, and we listened to the same radio shows,
Speaker 4: and so we had the same same style. And then
Speaker 4: we would go into my radio station at night, because
Speaker 4: you'd get fired for doing this.
Speaker 2: You can't do.
Speaker 4: This, you're looking for another job, and you're using the
Speaker 4: station's equipment to record it. So we would wait until
Speaker 4: after five o'clock and keep driving around the block until
Speaker 4: we had seen everybody's cars leave the radio station. Okay,
Speaker 4: the general manager is gone, now we can go in.
Speaker 4: So we'd go into my radio station and we'd spend
Speaker 4: an hour pretending to a radio show with the songs
Speaker 4: and everything, weather, just the whole thing, and then we
Speaker 4: would cut up tapes and send them out and that's
Speaker 4: how we got hired for a job that way.
Speaker 2: I love everything about that. That's so cool.
Speaker 4: I was actually gonna talk about the golf thing because
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with golf as a young man and
Speaker 4: at some and this is the only time this has
Speaker 4: ever happened to me in my life. I don't know
Speaker 4: if this has ever happened to anybody else. Were you, like,
Speaker 4: really into something and then all of a sudden you not.
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's ever done that.
Speaker 2: I was loved golf, obsessed.
Speaker 4: With it, and then at some point I decided I
Speaker 4: don't like this anymore and stopped. I don't know if
Speaker 4: anybody's ever done that with cooking or playing a musical instrument.
Speaker 4: I don't know what, but I just lost interest in
Speaker 4: So Joe continues to be a golf avid golf fanatic,
Speaker 4: and I haven't had any interest in golf in decades
Speaker 4: for some reason.
Speaker 2: I don't even know why.
Speaker 4: Oh, we got a lot more an hour three on
Speaker 4: a bunch of different news topics that we should hit.
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