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Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George

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Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty.

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Speaker 2: Armstrong and Getty and now he Armstrong and Getty.

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Speaker 3: I do hope and believe that the vote today is

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Speaker 3: a very strong signal to the markets, to investors, job creators, entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 3: the people that make the economy run, that the Congress

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Speaker 3: is going to get us on stout sound footing. And

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Speaker 3: you can count on that and you can bet on it.

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Speaker 3: And the auto I think today wud be a great

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Speaker 3: day to buy stuff.

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Speaker 4: Speaker Johnson, Congress is going to get us on sound footing. Well,

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Speaker 4: that would be something we'd like to welcome to the

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Speaker 4: Armstrong and Getty show. Our old friend David Dructor, who've

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Speaker 4: been talking to four years, who is now with The Dispatch.

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Speaker 4: I hear him on a regular basis, senior writer at

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Speaker 4: the Dispatch, on various TV appearances and Dispatch podcasts which

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Speaker 4: I hear weekly. It says here David, when Drugger is

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Speaker 4: not covering American politics for the Dispatch, he enjoys hanging

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Speaker 4: out with this two boys.

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Speaker 2: That's nice.

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Speaker 4: That's what I do too. And listening to his wife's

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Speaker 4: excellent taste in music. Did you write this?

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Speaker 1: I did write it, But it's true.

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Speaker 4: That's interesting that so she have a particularly good taste

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Speaker 4: and you just sit in there, you sit down and

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Speaker 4: listen to it in your make.

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Speaker 1: Let's be clear, even if she have bad taste, she

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Speaker 1: was sure run the music of the family I understand

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Speaker 1: to have. But if she has to have extremely good

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Speaker 1: taste of music.

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Speaker 2: Oh cool. How old are your kids?

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Speaker 1: Our oldest turns thirteen on Monday, and our youngest, our

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Speaker 1: other boy, will be tennis a while.

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Speaker 4: I have two boys in there, thirteen and fifteen, and

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Speaker 4: I have just started into the whole teenage thing, which,

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Speaker 4: like you've learned, as I learned with all of parenting,

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Speaker 4: every phase is completely different and practically none of your

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Speaker 4: skills from the last phase are of any use.

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Speaker 1: This is one of the first things that I realized

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Speaker 1: some years ago, was it just when you figure out

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Speaker 1: how to do it right, they change and you have

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Speaker 1: to learn all over again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I know how to handle a baby, Okay, I know

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Speaker 4: how to handle a toddler. Okay, I know how to

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Speaker 4: handle a four year old, But then they're not that anymore,

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Speaker 4: and so yeah, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: I think you probably said.

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Speaker 4: This last year. I know lots of pundits. Did man

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Speaker 4: Trump gets elected? The biggest story first year? Get ready

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Speaker 4: for this. It's going to be all about the Trump

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Speaker 4: tax cuts and whether they're renewed or not. This is

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Speaker 4: going to be the biggest political story in America. Everybody

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Speaker 4: will be talking about it. Well, we haven't been talking

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Speaker 4: about it because Trump has been doing so many different

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Speaker 4: things doge and now tariffs and everything like that that

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Speaker 4: get all the attention. We haven't been talking about this,

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Speaker 4: but it's still been kind of burblin behind the scenes.

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Speaker 4: Tell us where we are with all of this legislation, Well, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean it gets kind of into the weeds. But in

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Speaker 1: order to take advantage of this process called record faciliation,

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Speaker 1: which is a limited legislative process in Congress that allows

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Speaker 1: you to avoid a filibuster in the Senate, you have

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Speaker 1: to get the House and the Senate to agree on

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Speaker 1: what's called a budget resolution, which provides the contours of

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Speaker 1: taxation and spending and spending cuts but doesn't sell any

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Speaker 1: of the blanks. But first you have to get the

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Speaker 1: two chambers to agree on the top line numbers. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna We're going to cut one hundred and five

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Speaker 1: resolution that finally passed the House after passing the Senate.

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Speaker 1: We're going to cut taxes of this much. I don't

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Speaker 1: know all these numbers in my head, We're going to

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Speaker 1: spend this much. And so then once you do that,

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Speaker 1: then the committees you know the ways it means committee,

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Speaker 1: can then go about processing actual detailed legislation with all

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Speaker 1: the numbers, and then you know the plan is, and

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Speaker 1: this is how it's worked in the past. You know,

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Speaker 1: you get to a point where the party that's running

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Speaker 1: one of the things about reconciliation is you can't just

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Speaker 2: Is there a judge on this, like somebody are paneled?

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Speaker 1: Well, there's a part, there's a parliamentarian in the House

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Speaker 1: in the Senate can overrule their parliamentarian to some degree.

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Speaker 1: You know, in two thousand and nine, when the Democrats

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Speaker 1: can you be the tie breaking vote. So listen, I've

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Speaker 1: always thought that they would get the reconciliation build on

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Speaker 1: the Republican Party. But Trump, as he likes to do,

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Speaker 1: finds other ways to sideline what should be his best

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Speaker 1: out the way he wanted it to. Still won't work

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Speaker 1: out the way he wants it to, and it has

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Speaker 1: caused the market's pain. But when the markets have pain,

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Speaker 1: you know, somebody who used to run a small business,

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Speaker 1: because Main Street is inextricably linked to Wall Street. People

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Speaker 1: may not think they're invested, but their pensions are, and

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Speaker 1: It also, you know, impacts treasury bonds, meaning you know

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Speaker 1: then that impacts interest rates. So even if you have

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Speaker 1: just no way around it, right, There's no protection from

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Speaker 1: this stuff. So that's why we haven't been talking about

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Speaker 1: this because Trump decided he didn't want to talk about it.

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Speaker 4: Right, Well, does he feel like it's to his advantage

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Speaker 4: to not be talking about the whole renew and the

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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. But even for Trump, and sometimes

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Speaker 1: it seems illogical, but you know he has his I mean,

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Speaker 1: talking about how he's going to cut taxes for average Americans,

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Speaker 1: which which is what is in this bill, right. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and permanent. And Democrats did a really good job of

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Speaker 1: Americans receive tax benefits. Some people don't even pay income

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Speaker 1: this new bill, you know, no taxes on tips, no

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Speaker 1: taxes on Social Security income. I believe you want to

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Speaker 1: put a measure in there that says, if you, you know,

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Speaker 1: the interest. So there's all this stuff in there for

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Speaker 1: about the capital gains cuts, but you know, cutting capital

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Speaker 1: can invest in things that resulted more jobs and you know,

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Speaker 1: to be talking about this. But he has always liked Paris,

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Speaker 1: he has always believed. He doesn't believe many things, but

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Speaker 1: he believes a few things. And this thing with trade

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we've played the clips of him on Oprah or

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And the thing is, you know, if anybody thought

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Speaker 1: because all you have to do is listen to what

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Speaker 4: Well, I wouldn't be if I was in That's what

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Speaker 4: I've been talking about my whole life.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's common sense. It's but a lot of

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Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of Republican donors and

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Speaker 1: idea that you didn't build in what he's done in

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Speaker 1: the past couple of weeks or the past couple of months, really,

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: How long has Trump been president?

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Speaker 4: Today is day eighty two, eighty two days he's been president,

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Speaker 4: and it seems like it's been years of stories and reporting.

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Speaker 4: David Drucker of The Dispatch here, Hey, you said you

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Speaker 4: were you were a small business owner.

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Speaker 2: What was your business?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this goes back thirty years ago. But my my

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Speaker 1: And I was a part owner along with them. It

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Speaker 1: the manufacturing side, light manufacturing, distribution, things like that. But

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Speaker 1: because of that, I understand the impact of government regulations.

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Speaker 1: I understand inventory and waste, and competition from overseas and competition,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure I'm amazed by uh.

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Speaker 4: I've always had so much respect and awe for people

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Speaker 2: It's just amazing.

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Speaker 1: It is, it really is. And those are probably the

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Speaker 2: Hey Jack, thanks for having me again and speaking to DeSantis.

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Speaker 4: And this is where I want to go with Gavin

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Speaker 4: And the reason that the reason that I played the

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Speaker 4: So you're the perfect person to ask this because you've

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Speaker 4: you got the general election play, but you got to

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Speaker 4: get the nomination in a party that you saw how

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Speaker 4: everybody came after Gavin when in that first episode of

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Speaker 4: his podcast, he kind of he didn't even make a

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Speaker 4: bold statement, He just kind of hinted that maybe he

444
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Speaker 4: wasn't all in on dudes participating in girls' sports and

445
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Speaker 4: he got killed by the left.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he did get killed by the left, and he

447
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Speaker 5: got killed by a lot of activist groups on the left,

448
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Speaker 5: as well as activist members of the left who make

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Speaker 5: up a disproportionate percentage of participants in Democratic primaries when

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Speaker 5: we begin to get to the voting around twenty twenty eight,

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Speaker 5: obviously a long time between now and the start of

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty eight, so a lot can change. But I

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Speaker 5: do think that this is always the challenge in American

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Speaker 5: politics of how do you navigate between getting through a

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Speaker 5: primary and winning a general election? To your point, the

456
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Speaker 5: dynamics are really different in one electorate versus another.

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Speaker 4: Can he get then, so all the polling shows Democrats

458
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Speaker 4: are crying out for like a moderate candidate, you know,

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Speaker 4: a left of center Democrat. Can can you get the

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Speaker 4: nomination in the current Democratic Party as that person just

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Speaker 4: you know, kind of like not having a name attached

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Speaker 4: to it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a million dollar question. I mean, can can

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Speaker 5: basically can you repeat what Joe Biden did? Because us

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Speaker 5: remember Joe Biden was sort of the moderate Democrat when

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Speaker 5: when he had hard to remember now twenty hard to remember.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's like ancient history, right, it was just

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Speaker 5: five years ago, you know, I don't know. I think

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Speaker 5: some of it's going to depend on on how the

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Speaker 5: midterms go in twenty six and the degree to which

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Speaker 5: there continues to be this overarching If the overarching narrative

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Speaker 5: in the Democratic Party continues to be let's define our

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Speaker 5: success by opposition to Donald Trump, I have a tough

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Speaker 5: time seeing how moderates do well in that in that setting.

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Speaker 5: The reason I bring up the midterm elections is because

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Speaker 5: I think if Democrats do reasonably well in the midterms,

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Speaker 5: and let's say reasonably well or better than expected, that

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Speaker 5: might relieve some of the pressure there will be to

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Speaker 5: have a more extreme left candidate. I think if they

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Speaker 5: don't do well for some reason in the midterms, it

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Speaker 5: is going to force this is a little bit ironic,

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Speaker 5: and this might be counterintuitive. I think it's going to

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Speaker 5: force the Democrat base even further left, and that is

484
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Speaker 5: going to be a problem if people are trying to

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Speaker 5: run the gamut by going through the middle. So I

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Speaker 5: mean these dynamics, I think there's a lot of things

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Speaker 5: in play. A lot of things are very very fluid

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Speaker 5: between now and then, but these are some of the

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Speaker 5: things I would watch out for, watch out for the

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Speaker 5: mid term performance. I'd watch out for how much of

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Speaker 5: that Democrat messaging continues to be anti Trump. And then

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Speaker 5: I would look and see what other politicians are doing.

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Speaker 5: Look at Gretchen and Whitmer. I don't know if you

494
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Speaker 5: guys talked about Greshen Whitmer, the governor of Michigan who

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Speaker 5: found herself in the Oval office earlier this week, and

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump actually praised her, and she actually had some

497
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Speaker 5: nice things to say about him that might tell you

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Speaker 5: a little bit about where the party is headed and

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Speaker 5: the degree to which it's leaders believe they have to

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Speaker 5: be more moderate.

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Speaker 4: Can i do three yes no questions, and then I'll

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Speaker 4: ask you like an essay question. Out of the yes

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Speaker 4: no questions, the first one Gavin Newsom going to run

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Speaker 4: for president yes or no?

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Speaker 2: Yes, okay. Kamala Harris going to run for president, yes

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Speaker 2: or no no. Kamala Harris going to run for governor

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Speaker 2: yes or no? Yes, okay.

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Speaker 4: So she's going to run for governor in California. New

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Speaker 4: York Times had a story the other day that wasn't

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Speaker 4: the greatest for Kamala Harris because it mentioned, for instance,

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Speaker 4: that big Wisconsin vote a week ago for the Supreme

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Speaker 4: Court justice, the state Supreme Court justice. They Wisconsin Democrats

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Speaker 4: didn't want her in the state in an election they

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Speaker 4: had to win.

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Speaker 2: That's painful. Where does that leave her?

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Speaker 5: Well, it leaves her in California, And that's why I

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Speaker 5: think that you know, she still has First of all,

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Speaker 5: in politics, the greatest gift you can have is that

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Speaker 5: people recognize your name. And we've seen that over and

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Speaker 5: over again. And you know, regardless of how people feel

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Speaker 5: about Kamala Harris, people recognize her name, certainly in California,

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Speaker 5: So she starts off with a huge intrinsic advantage in

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Speaker 5: that respect. I think the other question is, when you

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Speaker 5: are a sort of you know, washed up candidate, what

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Speaker 5: do you do right? I mean, do you It's not

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Speaker 5: like she's got some deep well of private sector experience

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Speaker 5: where she can go back to life and career in

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Speaker 5: the private sector. Naturally, the sort of thinking gravitates toward politics,

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Speaker 5: and so I would think that as she looks at California,

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Speaker 5: she sees a tremendous political opportunity here A because she

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Speaker 5: remains reasonably popular. B because everyone knows who she is

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Speaker 5: and see because can you name any of the other

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Speaker 5: Democrats who are running in that primary for governor? I mean,

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Speaker 5: you can probably do a jack Many of your listeners

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Speaker 5: can probably do it. But I'll tell you something. If

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Speaker 5: you go around California and you just show up at

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Speaker 5: the Safeway and you ask people, hey, uh elany Cunelacus,

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Speaker 5: they may say, hey, do I find her on Aisle five?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's just it's just not one of those

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Speaker 5: things where people have a huge amount of recognition. So

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Speaker 5: she can step into that contest, God, I just instantly

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Speaker 5: be competitive.

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if I can live in

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Speaker 4: a state where Kamala Harris is a governor and Adam

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Speaker 4: Shift's one of the senators.

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Speaker 2: I just don't know if I can handle that. I

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Speaker 2: might have to start in Nevada.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say, you you're you're believe me, You're

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Speaker 5: not the only one. So I just I just think

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Speaker 5: that there is a I mean, let's be let's be

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Speaker 5: clear about this. That the pathway for her to become

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Speaker 5: governor of California, I think is a lot more reasonable

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Speaker 5: and and sort of easy to define than any other

554
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Speaker 5: political pathway she might have in the in the in

555
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Speaker 5: the near future. So we just have to be aware

556
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Speaker 5: of the fact that in the reality of politics, this

557
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Speaker 5: is a great opportunity for her.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know you're not the kind of person that

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Speaker 4: would answer this question. Really, but do you think she's dumb?

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Speaker 2: I mean, look, I'm not. That's more than I.

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Speaker 5: Don't.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't think it's I don't think it's you know, look,

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Speaker 5: people have, people are smart in different ways.

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Speaker 2: There you go, and and.

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Speaker 5: I think that, uh, she has had a reasonably successful

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Speaker 5: political career given what I believe to be relatively few accomplishments.

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Speaker 5: And that's not a reflection of your question. I understand

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Speaker 5: that you're you're asking a different question. I think it's

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Speaker 5: ultimately up for voters to assess that.

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Speaker 2: And and by the way, well, well I.

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Speaker 5: Was gonna say, I'm not sure how much it really matters, uh,

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Speaker 5: you know, whether whether whether you know one's intelligence in

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Speaker 5: the grand scheme of politics. I mean, we've got a

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Speaker 5: lot of people who are who are out there who

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Speaker 5: are doing public sector job, particularly elected officials, who you know,

577
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Speaker 5: we've seen some sharper tool of them.

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Speaker 4: The thing that angered me the most with her, and

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Speaker 4: you know, we're rehashing what is now ancient history. I

580
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Speaker 4: guess when she didn't take a stand in those final

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Speaker 4: days on do you think we should start locking up

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Speaker 4: criminals in California? That you know, what do you call them?

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Speaker 4: What's the word? You wouldn't we go out and vote

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Speaker 4: on an issue in California they don't have a numbers

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Speaker 4: prop referendum.

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Speaker 2: She wouldn't even.

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Speaker 4: Take a stand on one of our initiatives about locking

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Speaker 4: people up. What it was polling, it was gonna win

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Speaker 4: by you know, many, many many points, and it did,

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Speaker 4: and she wouldn't take a stand on that.

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Speaker 2: I thought, oh my.

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Speaker 5: God, well, Jack, that's a different issue that that. That

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Speaker 5: speaks to the fact that I think, and this was

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Speaker 5: a problem that I think her campaign had generally, is

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Speaker 5: I think they they tried to triangulate too much, right,

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Speaker 5: they tried to be they tried to thread too many Yeah.

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Speaker 4: God, you gotta take a take a position.

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Speaker 5: Listen. And by the way, the American people agreed with you,

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Speaker 5: because because they did not, they didn't particularly find her

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Speaker 5: campaign to be all that compelling. And I think one

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Speaker 5: of the reasons why is precisely because she would not

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Speaker 5: take a stand on even issues like should we criminalize

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Speaker 5: crime again in California. And if you can't even take

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Speaker 5: a stand on the issue like that, you know you're

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Speaker 5: going to have some problems politically.

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Speaker 4: And I think I would say I would say, man

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Speaker 4: the opposite of a profile and courage, LANEA.

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Speaker 7: Chen.

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Speaker 2: We always like your time.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Alani, Hey, Thanks Shack. Yeah, yeah, well that was.

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Speaker 4: It's not like I was, you know, a big Kamala

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Speaker 4: Harris fan before that, But to me, that was the

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Speaker 4: end of it. You don't have what it takes to

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Speaker 2: I don't know. If you've one of the most.

661
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 4: Not one of the most, by far, the most common

662
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 4: question Joe and I ever get if we're ever meeting

663
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 4: new anybody, How did you guys meet.

664
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 2: I don't know why that question is so prevalent, but

665
00:32:57,800 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 2: it is.

666
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 4: Anyway, what we started doing to get we worked at

667
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 4: competing radio stations. We started playing golf together because we

668
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,720
Speaker 4: were both golf fanatics and.

669
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 2: We were twenty five years old. Geez, that's a long time.

670
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:14,719
Speaker 4: Ago, and we played golf all the time. And then

671
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: we decided to put a radio show together, and we

672
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 4: started doing a fake radio show and recording it and

673
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: sending out tapes to radio stations. That's how we started,

674
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 4: but I didn't know that. Oh you didn't know that, Okay,

675
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 4: I felt like cool. I feel like I've told that

676
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: story so many times that it is boring to tell.

677
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: I haven't told it in the last couple of years

678
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:36,200
Speaker 2: because that's really I had no idea. That's awesome.

679
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, we worked at different radio stations. We were both

680
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,240
Speaker 4: on in the morning. I was on a music station,

681
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 4: he was on a well, we were both on music stations,

682
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 4: but he was on the news music station and I

683
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 4: was on just like a young person's music station. We're

684
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 4: twenty five years old. And they were dead end jobs,

685
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: very low paying dead end jobs. Yeah, I mean very

686
00:33:55,760 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: low paying.

687
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 2: And we uh.

688
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,240
Speaker 4: The first time I since you've never heard this story,

689
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 4: I'll tell it again. The first time I ever heard

690
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 4: him all my life. I was at a bar for

691
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 4: a trivia contest at night, and he was the MC

692
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 4: for the trivia contest. I think he did it for

693
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 4: extra money or free beer or something, because we're poor people.

694
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: And and and he would say funny things when he

695
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 4: was doing the trivia contest, and I thought, Wow, that

696
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 4: guy is really funny. And it kind of bothered me

697
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 4: that a guy that worked at another radio station was

698
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 4: funny because I thought I was the funny guy in

699
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 4: town and the fact that there was a different funny

700
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,720
Speaker 4: guy in town was bothered them to me guys anyway,

701
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 4: So I met him, and I mean like immediately that

702
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:39,880
Speaker 4: we found out we like to play golf, and we

703
00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,799
Speaker 4: started playing golf together, and that's we came up with

704
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 4: the idea. We both liked a lot of the same

705
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 4: radio shows that we grew up listening to out of Chicago.

706
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,239
Speaker 4: Even though he lived in Chicago, I didn't, but a

707
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,440
Speaker 4: very famous AM Chicago station, WLS, you could hear all

708
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 4: over the Midwest, and we listened to the same radio shows,

709
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 4: and so we had the same same style. And then

710
00:34:57,600 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: we would go into my radio station at night, because

711
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 4: you'd get fired for doing this.

712
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 2: You can't do.

713
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 4: This, you're looking for another job, and you're using the

714
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 4: station's equipment to record it. So we would wait until

715
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 4: after five o'clock and keep driving around the block until

716
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 4: we had seen everybody's cars leave the radio station. Okay,

717
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: the general manager is gone, now we can go in.

718
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: So we'd go into my radio station and we'd spend

719
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,720
Speaker 4: an hour pretending to a radio show with the songs

720
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 4: and everything, weather, just the whole thing, and then we

721
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 4: would cut up tapes and send them out and that's

722
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 4: how we got hired for a job that way.

723
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,959
Speaker 2: I love everything about that. That's so cool.

724
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 4: I was actually gonna talk about the golf thing because

725
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: I was obsessed with golf as a young man and

726
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 4: at some and this is the only time this has

727
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 4: ever happened to me in my life. I don't know

728
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: if this has ever happened to anybody else. Were you, like,

729
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 4: really into something and then all of a sudden you not.

730
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody's ever done that.

731
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: I was loved golf, obsessed.

732
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 4: With it, and then at some point I decided I

733
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 4: don't like this anymore and stopped. I don't know if

734
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: anybody's ever done that with cooking or playing a musical instrument.

735
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 4: I don't know what, but I just lost interest in

736
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 4: So Joe continues to be a golf avid golf fanatic,

737
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,760
Speaker 4: and I haven't had any interest in golf in decades

738
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 4: for some reason.

739
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 2: I don't even know why.

740
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 4: Oh, we got a lot more an hour three on

741
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 4: a bunch of different news topics that we should hit.

742
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 2: I hope you can stick around to that armstrong and

743
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: Getty