1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Welcome to the new episode of The Giant Subtle Podcast, 2 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: live from the NFL Combine, Indianapolis. I am John schmlcol So, 3 00:00:05,519 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: brought to you by a w S, proud sponsor of 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,040 Speaker 1: the New York Football Giants. I'm John sch melcol We're 5 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: joined by front of the program Jordan Reid. Big Time 6 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 1: over to ESPN. Now, Man, congratulations on the new gig. Man. Absolutely, 7 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: I'm excited to be there. I work with great people, 8 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 1: todm Mill and Matt who we just brought back this 9 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:22,639 Speaker 1: year too. Just working with great people. I'm happy to 10 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: be there. And you know, we're in the arena back 11 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, So I'm just happy to be here. Yeah, 12 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: we had Matt on at the Senior Bowl down and mobile. 13 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: Great dude, Matt Miller. Do you have to do actually, 14 00:00:31,120 --> 00:00:34,159 Speaker 1: give you like pads to separate McShane Kuyper so you 15 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: can keep them separated. How does that work? I just 16 00:00:36,200 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: try to make sure it's a stay in between both 17 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: of them, just keep them from ripping each other's heads. Also, 18 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,880 Speaker 1: But they're two great guys there, you know, big guys 19 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,720 Speaker 1: in the industry, guys I grew up looking at and watching, 20 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: so it's a pleasure to call them co workers and colleagues. Now, 21 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 1: of course, Jordan started out the Draft Network and we've 22 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:53,640 Speaker 1: had him on before when he was with them, and 23 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: all your colleagues are blowing. I'm man, you got Ban 24 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 1: over at the ragar. Trevor has gone over to PFF. 25 00:00:58,360 --> 00:00:59,800 Speaker 1: It's it's really good to see what you guys doing. 26 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: So to say, it's kind of like looking at the 27 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: old photo of the ninety two dream team with the 28 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 1: Draft Network. But yeah, we we we had great people. 29 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,800 Speaker 1: We had great camaraderie when we were there, and we 30 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:12,200 Speaker 1: had great chemistry. It's just so great to see everybody 31 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: flourishing now. No, really, it's good to see and you 32 00:01:14,120 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: guys do great work. So let's start here. Um, we're 33 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 1: talking on Wednesday. This morning, we had the quarterbacks, wide 34 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: receivers and tight end address the media. I like to 35 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,880 Speaker 1: put eyes on these guys up close, just so I 36 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: can almost make physical comparisons, right, like, I know what 37 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: in enough A wide receiver looks like, I know what enough? 38 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 1: You know tight end looks like. Any takeaways from these 39 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: pressures as much as what they said as as to 40 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: kind of how they present themselves physically, Yeah, well I 41 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 1: think with the quarterbacks, you always want to get a 42 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: good feel for them, especially this is one of our 43 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: few opportunities to actually get to know the person, ask 44 00:01:44,319 --> 00:01:46,960 Speaker 1: them questions about their background, some things that happened throughout 45 00:01:47,000 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: the year. And it's not just us as NFL teams too, 46 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,840 Speaker 1: Especially with the situation and the times that we're living 47 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: in right now, you don't get as many campus visits 48 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 1: as we normally do, so for gms and some evaluators, 49 00:01:57,640 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: this is the first opportunity to get to know the person. 50 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 1: And I kind of compared it to speed dating with 51 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: all of these meetia just because you're trying to meet 52 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: with sixty guys in fifteen minutes. So just imagine that 53 00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: trying to meet that many people in that little bit 54 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: of time. So you want to make sure you get 55 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: in all your questions, you try to understand the person 56 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 1: a little bit more, just because you're already gonna have 57 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:16,360 Speaker 1: your gray for them as far as when they have 58 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: their helmet on, but when they have their helmet off, 59 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: what am I getting myself into? Especially for a quarterback, 60 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 1: that's essential. Obviously, being a good quarterback and being good 61 00:02:25,360 --> 00:02:27,680 Speaker 1: on the field is most important, but you also have 62 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: to be able to carry the weight of being at 63 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: the quarterback, and there's so much more responsibility than just 64 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: being good at the position. Leader, media, guys rally behind you, 65 00:02:39,240 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: knowing how to deal with your teammates right keeping. You know, 66 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: wide receivers are tough to keep happy. Sometimes you know 67 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:45,840 Speaker 1: that then, and it's it's it's just it's it's a 68 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: really tough It's really still the toughest position to scout, 69 00:02:48,200 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: and I think at all sports. Yeah, and it's so 70 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:52,800 Speaker 1: important in football, is not excuse me, quarterback is not 71 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: only the most important position in football, but in all 72 00:02:54,880 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 1: the sports too. And if you don't have any idea 73 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: about football, you know what the quarterback is and what 74 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 1: it in sales. So I think for the Giants, though, 75 00:03:01,240 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: it's a little bit different, just because you have to 76 00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: add in the media part of it. It's because it's 77 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 1: a big market. You have to be able to have 78 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: that type of personality and being able to soak all 79 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,560 Speaker 1: that stuff in and being able to handle just because 80 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 1: with quarterbacks, when you play good, you're gonna get criticized. 81 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: When you play bad, you're gonna get criticized too. So 82 00:03:17,080 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: that's the great thing about playing the position. Absolutely. All right, 83 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about some of the guys that we're 84 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: gonna keep on here for the Giants at five and seven. 85 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 1: Probably not in the market for a quarterback, given that 86 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: Jones is on Daniel Jones last year of his contract, 87 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: and frankly, the quarterback landscapes not great this offseason, right, 88 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 1: Are you gonna find a better option in the draft? 89 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: You gotta find a better option in free agency? Probably not. 90 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: You give him a shot, see what he is, and 91 00:03:36,800 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 1: then you make a decision on him after the year. So, 92 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 1: who are some of the guys for the Giants at 93 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: five and seven that you think realistically could be there 94 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: that would be the best value meet needs situation for them. Well, 95 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: I think for the Giants, they have to figure out 96 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: a way to address the trenches, whether it's offensive for 97 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,120 Speaker 1: defensive line, they need some help at edge rusher. And 98 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: then also there's some positions along the offensive line, specifically 99 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: offensive tackle. It's opposite. You know, Angie Thomas came along 100 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: really well in a nice season. I thought, you know, 101 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: it was a little bit rough as a rookie, was 102 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 1: a bit of an adjustment period for him, but I 103 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: thought he settled in nicely last year, so you can 104 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: pretty much pencil him in obviously as the left tackle 105 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 1: of the future moving forward, but I think right tackle 106 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: is a position that they could address. Whether it's a 107 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: Kima Kandu from n C State, Evan Neil may possibly 108 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 1: be there, depending on what happens with that. Crazier things 109 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 1: have happened in the NFL Draft, but also Charles Cross 110 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: from Mississippi State, and the great thing for the Giants 111 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: is that they have two picks inside of the top seven, 112 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: So I think addressing those trenches is the way to go. 113 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: How much of a drop for you personally and your 114 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:42,000 Speaker 1: evaluation is there between Neil and Aquana, who's most people 115 00:04:42,040 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: seem to have as there one two and maybe both 116 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: gone on the top four to Charles Cross at as 117 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 1: your number three. I don't think it's significant, honestly, just 118 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: because I think those three are kind of in that 119 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: top tier on their own, and then you're getting to 120 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 1: those second tier guys that you know, Trevor Pennings and 121 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: guys like that. So I think with those three, it 122 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: kind of just depends on which one you may watch 123 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: last that may be the one that you like the most. 124 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: So I think Joe Shane and his staff and the 125 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: scouting a crew that he's brought over from Buffalo and 126 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,600 Speaker 1: everywhere else. I think they have a huge task on 127 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: their hand as far as picking that five and seven. 128 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: But if I had to predict right now, I think 129 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: they would take one of those tackles. Whoever's left. I 130 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,680 Speaker 1: think two of those guys are gonna go inside the 131 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: top four, so they may have the pick of that 132 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: last one. So it'll be interesting to watch. It's also 133 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 1: that of what you're prioritized to, right, Like, if you 134 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:30,040 Speaker 1: want that grinded move people tackle, you're probably gonna take 135 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: a quantity, right If you want the gigantic guy that 136 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,680 Speaker 1: can do a little bit everything you want, even Neil. 137 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 1: If you want the pass protector, then you're gonna pick 138 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 1: Charles Cross. Yes, So it's just depending on the type 139 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:41,160 Speaker 1: of flavor that you like in the type of offense 140 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 1: that you're going to run. So we'll see. I think 141 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: Evan Neil is probably gonna be the number one overall pick. 142 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: That's just my prediction as of uh to Wednesday, Mark 143 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: second right now, So there there's some things that could 144 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,479 Speaker 1: go into play with that we're not going to see 145 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:55,599 Speaker 1: him at the combine. Unfortunately he's only doing interviews here, 146 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: so which is surprising, right, Everyone kind of thought he 147 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,760 Speaker 1: was gonna blow it up, but he did work out. Yeah. Yeah, 148 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: And it's a big opportunity for Kim Kwanu. And then 149 00:06:03,000 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: also Charles Cross to Charles Cross is supposed to everything 150 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 1: except the bench press. From what I've heard, that's good. 151 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: So yeah, we'll get to see him in some agilities 152 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 1: and um and some other events that he'll be participate 153 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: in the end. So being able to see those two guys, 154 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:16,880 Speaker 1: it's a huge opportunity for them with Neil not doing anything, 155 00:06:16,920 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: all right, You mentioned Edge also a need for the Giants, 156 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,839 Speaker 1: no question, Aidan Hutchinson. There's no way he's getting past 157 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 1: the lines at two right, Yeah. I mean if he does, 158 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: the Texans will take I can. I think when he 159 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: goes for his thirty visit, Dan Campbell will kind of 160 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: you know, lock him in the basement in Detroit and 161 00:06:34,080 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 1: not let it leave. Um. So the next guy then, who, 162 00:06:38,360 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: by the way, if you talk to people five months ago, 163 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: I thought he was the first guy, and that's cav 164 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: On Thibodeau from Oregon. People seem to be all over 165 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 1: the place on him. You know, once the season ends, 166 00:06:48,960 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: I try to catch up on these guys and the 167 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 1: way I try to get a fuel for him. I 168 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: watch all their positive plays. I want to see what 169 00:06:54,520 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: what does this player do well? And you watch cave 170 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: On Tiboy, you watch all was really good players, you're like, 171 00:06:58,640 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: holy cow, this guy's fantas plastic. But if you watch 172 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: full games and you watch him from game to game, 173 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: then I think you start seeing some of the inconsistencies. Right. So, 174 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: from what you've seen and from people you've talked to, 175 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 1: what are some of the concerns with Thibodeaux that have 176 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: knocked him kind of out of that sure thing top 177 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: three pick type of area. Well, it kind of has 178 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: a little bit of Daveon Clowney in him, and if 179 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: you remember when Clowney was coming out, he had a 180 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 1: lot of flash plays. But those plays in between are 181 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,000 Speaker 1: the ones that you really worry about. Um, I think 182 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: it's a little bit overblown as far as his lack 183 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: of effort and things like that. Didn't really see that 184 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 1: on sate He's been able to create constant pressure. I mean, 185 00:07:33,400 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: you can go watch the Cow game. I think that's 186 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: a great. Yeah, he had like eleven pressures in the 187 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: second half alone and that one. But the big worries 188 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: are you going to get that type of player consistently? 189 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: And I think that's where him and Aidan Hudginson differentiate 190 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 1: a little bit. With Hudginson, you know he's going to 191 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:49,560 Speaker 1: be all out. He's safer quarters. The floor is a 192 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: little bit higher with him, just because he's the type 193 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: of player is gonna work hard. You know, he's not 194 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: gonna be a complete bus just because of how hard 195 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: he works on every single play. But the upside with 196 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Cabone Tibeaux is something I think out ways, but it's 197 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: just a matter of is he eventually going to get there? 198 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: He's just scratching the service of what I like to 199 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: call learning how to out athlete to people right now. 200 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: So he's just a superior athlete. That's how he's been 201 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 1: able to win. But I thought last year he was 202 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: able to string some moves together and show some sort 203 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 1: of a plan as a pass rusher, but it just 204 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: wasn't as consistent as you would like. So what it 205 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 1: comes down to is do you want to bet on 206 00:08:20,960 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: the upside with Thibodeau or do you want to go 207 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,920 Speaker 1: with the higher floor player in Hudginson. It would impress 208 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: me about Thibodeau. Like you watch Hutchinson, all of his 209 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: winds almost look the same. Right he goes out, he's 210 00:08:32,000 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: great with his hands, goes in with two hands, wins 211 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 1: of power, winds with effort, wins with his hand fighting. 212 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: You watch Tibodeau, though, you see him win with power. 213 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: You see him run with bull rush, you see him 214 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,439 Speaker 1: run with You see him do that old JPP move, 215 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: or it's just a long arm out and he pushes 216 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: the guy back and you see him went off the edge. 217 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: He's not like Chase Young, flexible, but he's explosive enough 218 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 1: to win on the edge. You watch all of Hutchinson's sacks. 219 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: He doesn't win with edge and ben with speed like once. 220 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 1: And this is the guy with a ton of production. 221 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 1: So I do think it's interesting that NFL teams that 222 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: usually value that elite bend and athleticism off the edge 223 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: seemed to be leaning towards the guy that wins more 224 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 1: with technique and power, you know what I mean. Yeah, 225 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 1: And the thing with Hudgerson is that what he does 226 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 1: is he'll run hard up the field and then he'll 227 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: cross back across the face of offensive tackles. That's been 228 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 1: a move that's been very prevalent for him, and it's 229 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: been consistent for him too, so it's understandable why he 230 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:27,680 Speaker 1: continues to go back to it. But that game against Georgia, 231 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: I think they sat aside on him a lot, and 232 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: they watched a lot of film on him. To Jamar saw, 233 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: you had a really good game against him, just because 234 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: he sat hard inside it didn't work. So I think 235 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: that's the big worry about Hudinson. If there was one 236 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: criticism criticism of him, excuse me, which just he needs 237 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: to add a little bit more moves to his repertoire 238 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: right now, which is great. I mean, that's fine. You 239 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: can work with that, just because you can always add 240 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 1: more moves. It's hard to instill or coach some of 241 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: those moves and two guys, But if you already have 242 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: a base or a surface of what you can build 243 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: on that foundation, I think that's what so intriguing about Hudson. 244 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 1: What do you think the depth of the offensive line 245 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:05,760 Speaker 1: in edge classes in this in this year towarding If 246 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: you don't get one of those guys at five or seven, 247 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 1: are you're finding good value Round two, round three, Yeah, 248 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:12,760 Speaker 1: I think this offensive type group is really loaded, and 249 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,920 Speaker 1: it's not just the top part in that first tier 250 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 1: with the KWANDU Neil and then also a Cross. I 251 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,000 Speaker 1: think there's some other guys in that second tier. I 252 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,400 Speaker 1: mentioned Trevior Penning a little bit earlier, but there's some 253 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: down the line developmental guys in that fourth, fifth, or 254 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,160 Speaker 1: even sixth round, seventh round. If you want to dive 255 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:27,959 Speaker 1: that deep into it, do you find that this is 256 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 1: a much deeper class because of the super seniors and 257 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: all that stuff. Yeah, I think so. And then with 258 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: COVID you have some guys that really were hesitant with 259 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: coming out, so the numbers are a little bit up. 260 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 1: And then what we have seen in years past. Do 261 00:10:37,880 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 1: you like the corners here as potential picks of five 262 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:41,960 Speaker 1: per cent? Are they good enough to warrant that type 263 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: of pack? Uh? That's a really good question. I think 264 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 1: they are just because of how important the position is. 265 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: And we still don't know what's gonna happen with James Bradberry. 266 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:52,839 Speaker 1: There's been some whispers about that, so you may need 267 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:56,559 Speaker 1: a corner um stingy. Unfortunately we're not able to see 268 00:10:56,640 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: him perform at the Combine on my sauce gardener. I 269 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: got an opportunity to see him live in person against E. 270 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: C U and he was phenomenal in that game, every 271 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: bit of six ft two and a half. No one 272 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: even throws at him at all. So whenever you can 273 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:13,360 Speaker 1: add a shutdown corner like that, you have to do it. Sting. 274 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: How do you sort him out? You know, I went 275 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: back and I watched his freshman tape and if he 276 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: played like he did as a freshman the last two years, 277 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 1: for me, he's the first pick in the draft, like 278 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: he was that good, But he wasn't that guy the 279 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: last two years. So how do you sort that out? 280 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:27,840 Speaker 1: How do you think NFL teams are going to sort 281 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,480 Speaker 1: that stuff? It really depends on the medicals with him, 282 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: and obviously we don't have any access to that. There's 283 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: gonna be thirty two different opinions on him, just because 284 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: the thirty two different team doctors. But with him, your 285 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 1: best ability is your availability. You hear that a lot, 286 00:11:40,400 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: So I think a lot of coaches and evaluators may 287 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: ding him on that just because he hasn't been healthy. 288 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 1: He's been teen games over the past two years, which 289 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 1: is all excuse me, fifteen games over the past two years, 290 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: which is a ton. So I think with him, while 291 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 1: the talent is great, if you're not available to be 292 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 1: on the field, you just don't have any value. How 293 00:11:56,760 --> 00:11:58,720 Speaker 1: do you sort out that next group of pass rushers? 294 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: After tipot On Hutchins and you know, Carl Loft this, 295 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: you know Walker. You know they're not your traditional two 296 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,199 Speaker 1: hundred fifty five pound edge. You guys like they. You 297 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 1: know Walker almost played as an interior defensive lineman at Georgia, 298 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:13,400 Speaker 1: and Carl Loft this is two hundred seventy pounds. The 299 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: guy doesn't look like a bendy edge. So and then 300 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: you have a job who's the opposite right for one 301 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 1: year one there in a lot of production, but he 302 00:12:19,280 --> 00:12:21,600 Speaker 1: does have all that bending athleticism and all that stuff. 303 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: So how do you sort through that next group as 304 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: anyone else in that group? For you, there's so many 305 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: different shapes and sizes, John, I think that's what makes 306 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: this group so intriguing. You have a job who is 307 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: more of your strictly a pass rusher right now to 308 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: death struggle a little bit as far as holding at 309 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 1: the point of attack against the ruin you have Trayvon Walker, 310 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: who he's probably one of the more polarizing players in 311 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: this entire class, just because at Georgia they just didn't 312 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 1: let him rest a pass or play from a wide 313 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:48,959 Speaker 1: technique like you like, he's never lined up outside the 314 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: offensive tech. Yeah, but I mean you're gonna see he's 315 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:54,839 Speaker 1: gonna test off the He's gonna be a phenomenal tester 316 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: like that. Yeah, he's gonna have some freaky type numbers 317 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: that is gonna be hard for him the exit outside 318 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: of the top fifteen. So and then with Carl Loftus, 319 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 1: everybody wants to see the agilities with him. We know 320 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: we can win with power power, he can bull rush 321 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: and run through guys, But the agilities, how good can 322 00:13:10,000 --> 00:13:11,840 Speaker 1: he turned and been the corner. He's getting some Trey 323 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: Hendrickson type of comparisons, so, which I see, just see 324 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: that translating really well. How effort, But you just worry 325 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: about he didn't turn into the player he was until 326 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,439 Speaker 1: like two years ago. So I think with Carl Lift, 327 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: this is just the agilities that's really what's gonna be 328 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 1: hinging on his draft stop. Right at the top of 329 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: the second round, the boy a face the Kingsley, Ennic 330 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 1: bar Rays. You know, um, I'm trying to guy and 331 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: know a lot of people. Cameron Thomas, Thank you, Cameron Thomas. 332 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: How about that next group of the Leo layout from 333 00:13:40,440 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 1: Texas and M. I think he may might be a 334 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:45,120 Speaker 1: three technique on passing down. How do you soore through 335 00:13:45,160 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: that next group? Again, it's it's a lot of different flavors, 336 00:13:47,240 --> 00:13:48,840 Speaker 1: right and once again and stuff. It just depends on 337 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: your scheme you have the Marmin Leo it was more 338 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:52,680 Speaker 1: of your I think he's probably gonna have to transition 339 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 1: inside just because he doesn't bend overly great and he 340 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: just kind of played that position out of necessity at 341 00:13:57,640 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 1: Texas A and M. And he was a player that 342 00:13:59,559 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 1: was mocked the side of the top twenty coming into 343 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: the year even higher, but didn't have that big year 344 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: like everybody thought he was gonna have after having a 345 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: really good year. So there's some mixed opinions on if 346 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: he can be an edge guy in the three four 347 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: or if he can slide inside and play three technique 348 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: in a four three defense. So he's really an interesting one. 349 00:14:15,559 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: Cam Thomas, as you mentioned, from San Diego State, was 350 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: more of a high effort type of guy. He doesn't 351 00:14:19,600 --> 00:14:21,400 Speaker 1: really have a whole bunch of bend either, but wins 352 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: with refined technique and effort right now. And then there's 353 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: some plenty of others too that I like. D'Angelo Malone 354 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: from Western Kentucky was really he was really good there. 355 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: I like him a lot. Boy ma Fa who we've 356 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: seen this stock of skyrocket after having the great wik 357 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: of practice and then having two sacks in the Senior 358 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: Bowl game. The kid from Penn State right up, Yeah, 359 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 1: Arnold w Ketty, who's really raw right now, but you 360 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: see the flashes of I think from day one he's 361 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 1: gonna be a really good pass rusher, but it's just 362 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: a matter of him improving as far as holding up 363 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: and run defense at the point of attack. I don't 364 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: see the Giants using a pick five or seven on 365 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: a wide receiver, but as you know now Jordan's every 366 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: year there's like twelve wide receivers that are gonna be 367 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: good NFL starters. So who are the guys that you 368 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: particularly like that could be a day to pick, whether 369 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: top of the second round or third round, that you 370 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:07,880 Speaker 1: think maybe their value isn't as isn't as high as 371 00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: it should be based on your evaluation. So there's two 372 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:12,520 Speaker 1: guys I like right now as far as day two. 373 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: The first one is George Pickens from Georgia. I like 374 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: him a lot. He had a torn a c l Yeah, 375 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: just listen to him talk and how he battled back 376 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:22,440 Speaker 1: from that injury. Only played in four games I believe 377 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 1: it was last year. Came back to Georgia Tech game, 378 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: which was the last week of the season. But he 379 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,400 Speaker 1: played a big part in that national title run. And 380 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: with the Pickings, he's he's a little bit of a 381 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,520 Speaker 1: difficult projection, just because they had him running some different 382 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: type of routes and they really only threw the ball 383 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,240 Speaker 1: to him down the field. But I think there's a 384 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,240 Speaker 1: lot more meat on that bone with him, and I 385 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: think he's just scratching the service. Will only be twenty 386 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: one years always actually turns twenty one on Friday, so 387 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: a really, really young prospect. In The other is Jalen 388 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: Toilber from South Alabama. I was really impressed. He was 389 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 1: much better than what I saw on tape as far 390 00:15:52,520 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: as as far as excuse me, of explosiveness, strong hands, 391 00:15:55,760 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: and we know he has the production to back it up. 392 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: He was the go to option in that offense. Even 393 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 1: is you in this guy in of our shows yet? 394 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 1: But I'll ask you first. How about sky More? Yeah? 395 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: I watched him for a little bit at the podium today. 396 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: What a nice humble down. I've ran into him backstage? 397 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,800 Speaker 1: Is walking us? Oh excuse me, starting to get in 398 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: your way. I'm sorry. I'm like, you are like the 399 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: nicest kind ever. And then you watch his tape like 400 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: he just just opened all the time. Yeah, that's the 401 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: thing about him is he just understands how to get open. 402 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: He's not an overly fast guy down the field, but 403 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: he's just constantly winning rep after rep after rep. Really 404 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 1: really good at the line of scrimmage. I think he's 405 00:16:29,040 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: one of the better receivers as far as getting off 406 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: a press. Really strong hands too. So well, that was 407 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: where that number twenty four Jersey. So it's not easy. 408 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 1: It is easy, excuse me, for him to stand out 409 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: on the perimeter in that number. But he put up 410 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,320 Speaker 1: crazy numbers at Western Michigan, and we've seen the receivers 411 00:16:42,320 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 1: that they have produced in years pass. How about the 412 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: tight end class, I don't think that's a move in 413 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: the second round, even maybe late third or early fourth. 414 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 1: But I feel like there's just so many of these 415 00:16:51,200 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: guys that can probably give you a little bit of 416 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,880 Speaker 1: everything in the running game in the past game. Who 417 00:16:54,880 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 1: are the guys you like from that kind of early fourth, 418 00:16:56,920 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 1: late third group. Yeah, so there's a bit of a cluster. 419 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 1: I think of Day two, Day three type of guys. 420 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:03,800 Speaker 1: Jamen Widermeyer from Texas and m who's kind of a 421 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: mixture of an inline guy you can flex him out. 422 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher did a really good job of utilizing him 423 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 1: in the red zone. I think over eight of his 424 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: touchdowns came inside the twenty yard line. So if you're 425 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: looking for that big, go up and get it type 426 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: of tight end, I think it can be that. He 427 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:18,919 Speaker 1: also blocked a lot. Yeah, yeah, he did. He improved 428 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: a lot over his past two years as a blocker. 429 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,560 Speaker 1: Jeremy Record from Ohio State who's called some steam here 430 00:17:23,640 --> 00:17:25,960 Speaker 1: lately too. And Trade McBride from Colorado State, who I 431 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,280 Speaker 1: think is the best after the catch tight end outside. 432 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,960 Speaker 1: Isaiah Likely from Coastal Carolina, who's more of your traditional 433 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,399 Speaker 1: if that you can flex out as a receiver. H 434 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: My colleague was down here, Paul Latino would be very 435 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 1: upset if I ask you about Ferguson the tight end 436 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 1: and the tight end he loves him. It was a 437 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:41,439 Speaker 1: little run down on Fergus. Yeah, I like Ferguson. He 438 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,199 Speaker 1: I think he improved tremendously as a blocker last year. 439 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: Go watch him against Michigan. I thought he competed a 440 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: lot with David Jabo and then also Aidan Hutchison. I 441 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 1: think he's an underrated receiver too, and they didn't use 442 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: them as far as a lot in the passing game, 443 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,400 Speaker 1: but they didn't let him run a lot of routes 444 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:57,360 Speaker 1: either too. He's one of those guys I think has 445 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 1: a lot more left in the tank as far as 446 00:17:59,200 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: a pass catching guy. We've mentioned linebackers yet on our programs. 447 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: Here at to combine Lloyd and Um the Kobe Dean 448 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 1: seemed to be the first two guys off the board. 449 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: Are they top ten players? Are they top fifteen players? 450 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: You know, I look at the Kobe Deane. You watch 451 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: his tape. The dude is a missile right Like, he 452 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 1: diagnoses quickly, he goes downhill, makes plays, blitzes, gets after 453 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 1: running backs. He's like two like, do you think he 454 00:18:22,600 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: can transition and be a good cover guy, which is 455 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: what he's gonna have to do in the NFL. How 456 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: do you see the kind of the top of the 457 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: linebacker class and kind of what comes after that. He's 458 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: one of those guys. Just gotta trust the tape just 459 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: because he's gonna come in at probably five ft eleven 460 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 1: and a half two hundred and twenty five pounds. He's 461 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,199 Speaker 1: gonna be one of those undersized guys. And if you 462 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: let them measurable sway you from the tape, I think 463 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:42,480 Speaker 1: you're doing him with disservice just because I mean he's 464 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 1: a mechanical engineer. That's the type of guy that you 465 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: want see mechanical A mechanical engineer, mechanical engineer major at Georgia. 466 00:18:49,240 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: So you know he's gonna come in with supreme smarts. 467 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: And just think about all the players that they had 468 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: on that defense last year. He was the nucleus of 469 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: it all outside of Jordan Davis. He was the one 470 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: that made the calls on the defense and relay the 471 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: messages and the cost to everybody. So that's the type 472 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: of player that you want in the middle. Now with him, 473 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,639 Speaker 1: he's never going to be one of those guys that 474 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 1: is an expertise at shedding blocks and all this other 475 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,360 Speaker 1: stuff just because he has a small frame. But he's 476 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 1: really good at moving around and working around, and he 477 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: gives you a lot of value as far as a 478 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,240 Speaker 1: blitzer too. I think that's an underrated part about his game. 479 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 1: And I think the best linebackers in the NFL are 480 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: the ones that make plays behind the line of scrimmage 481 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: as far as tackles for loss, and I think from 482 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:28,199 Speaker 1: day one he brings that. Now Lloyda converted safety, so 483 00:19:28,240 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: he's a little bit of a different guy, right, Yeah, 484 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: he is, and he's a really interesting one, more of 485 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:35,400 Speaker 1: your athletic, long rangey type of players six ft three, 486 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty five pounds around that range. He's 487 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: another one that they played at defensive end quite a 488 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: bit too, So you're gonna get some place behind the 489 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage with him. Really rangey and pass coverage too. 490 00:19:44,760 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: Has a really good feel of understanding coverages and routes 491 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: and then what's going on entering and exiting his own 492 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:51,959 Speaker 1: two and that comes from his days is a safety 493 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 1: being able to see the entire picture in front of 494 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: him as far as the first and the second levels. 495 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,160 Speaker 1: All right, two more questions for abroad? Is this gonna 496 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: be a deal with the Giants are not gonna be 497 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: able to find a trade target if they want to 498 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:03,600 Speaker 1: move out of five or seven? Is this going to 499 00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 1: be one of those years which just because of the 500 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: quarterback class, it's gonna be impossible. I will say this. 501 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: If they do make a trade, I think it's at 502 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: five as opposed to seven, just because with the Panthers six. Yeah, 503 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: they're a QB needy team. So if you want to 504 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: get the first quarterback on your board, you probably want 505 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 1: to do five as opposed to seven, assuming that the 506 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,879 Speaker 1: Panthers are going to take a quarterback. Okay, interesting, No, 507 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: you take one of two ways. Give me your deep 508 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,680 Speaker 1: sleeper in this draft. You're like pet Cat, the guy 509 00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: that you love and maybe not a lot of the 510 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: people do. And and and just give me an idea of 511 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: you know who some of those guys are really late 512 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 1: that you think teams are sleeping on. Yeah. So there's 513 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 1: one from Fayetville State University and he actually was at 514 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl's name is Joshua Williams. Joshua Williams. He 515 00:20:43,440 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: was awesome at the Senior Bowl and just getting to 516 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,400 Speaker 1: know Josh a little bit throughout the process. I wrote 517 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 1: a story on him a couple weeks ago. It was 518 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,720 Speaker 1: he's a player that has a track background, really athletic. 519 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: I think he came in about six ft two UM, 520 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: just over two hundred pounds, and I think you probably 521 00:20:57,480 --> 00:20:59,160 Speaker 1: can get him about the fourth of the fifth round, 522 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 1: depending on how test. But yeah, he's one player that 523 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: I think could come in right away that could be 524 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,439 Speaker 1: a depth filler initially early on. He's gonna come in. 525 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: He's gonna play every special teams all right. I think 526 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: he can probably come in and be your third or 527 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,680 Speaker 1: your fourth corner that eventually turns into your number two. 528 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: Awesome Jordan's and I've been asking everybody give me your 529 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: way too early. I'm not gonna hold you to it. 530 00:21:17,320 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: Predictions for the Giants at five and seven, So I'm 531 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: gonna go with who you put me on the spot? Um? 532 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,440 Speaker 1: At five, I think they're gonna go with I'm gonna 533 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: say I'm gonna go at Kim Kwanda from from NC States. 534 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 1: I don't make Giant fans happy. Yeah, i think they'll 535 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:37,640 Speaker 1: go him at five and then at seven I'm going 536 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: to go with I'm just say Devin Lleyd from Utah, 537 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 1: the linebacker. All right, so that is now I've asked 538 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,479 Speaker 1: three people this question. We have five different names at 539 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,679 Speaker 1: Quanto is the only one that you and Tony Pouline 540 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: repeated at. So you guys are on the same page. Jordan, 541 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: this is fun man. Always great to see you, dude, graduation. 542 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,919 Speaker 1: Check them out ESPN dot com. All his draft content 543 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,600 Speaker 1: is there anywhere else so they can in sub Georgia 544 00:22:00,680 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: Just ESPN dot com. 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