1 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: me Tammy di Dario. Today's guest is the brilliant Emmy 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:15,560 Speaker 1: nominated actress and singer songwriter McKenna Grace. You may know 4 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:19,080 Speaker 1: McKenna from playing a younger version of Brie Larsen's Carol 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Danvers in Captain Marvel, or maybe you saw her playing 6 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: the preteen version of Kieran and Shipka's Sabrina in Netflix's 7 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: Chilling Adventures of Sabrina. Or maybe even as a young 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Tanya Harding in Itanya, which is personally one of my 9 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: favorite movies. So good, but get this. In twenty twenty one, 10 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 1: McKenna became one of the youngest ever actors in history 11 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: to receive an Emmy nomination recognizing her work as a 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 1: rebellious child bride in The Handmaid's Tale. And all of 13 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: this was accomplished before she turned seventeen. Yeah, she is 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 1: a total rock star. All right, Get your cozy sweaters, 15 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: your scarves, a big cup of hot tea light, your 16 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,840 Speaker 1: pumpkins ice candle or okay, maybe twenty of them like me. 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 1: Because her brand new five song EP called Autumn Leaves 18 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: is out now and we are diving in. McKenna is 19 00:01:12,360 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 1: vulnerable and open and really raw with her lyrics, and 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: we get to see a different side to her aside 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: that I, for one, I just I found so very relatable. 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: She writes from her heart and it is on full display, 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: and she leaves you wanting more, like twenty songs more 24 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:34,920 Speaker 1: because it is that good. So let's see if today 25 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: we can get McKenna to say something that she's never 26 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:43,080 Speaker 1: said before. McKenna, Grace, it is so nice to see you. 27 00:01:43,120 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: How are you today? O great? How are you? I 28 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: am so good. I'm really good because you put me 29 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: in all the fall vibes with your new ep, Thank You. 30 00:01:54,120 --> 00:01:54,720 Speaker 2: I'm trying. 31 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:57,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it is so good. It's such a 32 00:01:57,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: perfect time of year for you to come out with this. 33 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: Of course, it's called Autumn Leaves. It's a five song 34 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: EP for everybody listening out now. It's ethereal yet it's powerful. 35 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: It's stripped down yet it's cinematic. The instrumentals are just incredible. 36 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 1: So describe the overall feeling and vibe of Autumn Leaves 37 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: for me? 38 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:22,640 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I just really wanted to make it. 39 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 2: Thank you. That's such like a nice description. I don't know. 40 00:02:26,240 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 3: I just really wanted it to feel very I feel 41 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 3: like I'm moving into it. 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,400 Speaker 2: Well, I don't feel like I know. 43 00:02:32,480 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 3: I am moving into a different space with my music 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 3: versus kind of the pop punk EP that I first 45 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 3: came out with. And I think that I'm just wanting 46 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:45,240 Speaker 3: to kind of represent not anymore because I did write 47 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: this a little bit of time ago, but where I 48 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 3: was as a person at the time, and I want 49 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: to move into feeling cinematic and floey and my producer 50 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:57,600 Speaker 3: Cody will always get live strings on it, and I 51 00:02:57,600 --> 00:03:01,120 Speaker 3: think that it's so beautiful and and just I want 52 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: everything to feel really cinematic and like a story and 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:08,079 Speaker 3: like something that you know. I want it to make 54 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,959 Speaker 3: sense from start to finish, the EP, the story and 55 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: all the words and lyrics that I'm singing. 56 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:16,520 Speaker 2: So I don't know, I wanted it to feel really 57 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: fall and heartbreak. 58 00:03:18,240 --> 00:03:20,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well it certainly does. So how would you describe 59 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,959 Speaker 1: what you were going through in your life personally when 60 00:03:23,000 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: you wrote these songs, because it is a very very 61 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: personal look into who you are and what you've gone through. 62 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 2: It definitely is. 63 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: I mean, I wrote this about my first like actual heartbreak. 64 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: You know. It was the first time I ever felt 65 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 3: like I was in love, and now looking back, I'm like, 66 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: oh gosh, it was. It was pretty silly, And I 67 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: don't know. I'm the kind of person that holds onto 68 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 3: things for a long time. And I think that I 69 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: wrote this and a lot of other music I have 70 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 3: hopefully coming out at some point just kind of in 71 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 3: a place where I didn't get closure on the situation, 72 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: and I just felt like so sad and alone and 73 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: heartbroken for way too long, and so I don't know, 74 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 3: I just happened to channel it all into music. 75 00:04:08,160 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, heartbreak is definitely the major theme 76 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: throughout these these songs, but I would actually argue you 77 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,839 Speaker 1: walk away with a positive message after listening. Is that 78 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: something that you think as well? 79 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: A little bit. 80 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 3: My main thing was I feel like I got all 81 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 3: of my like little AnGR or biting songs out of 82 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 3: my system whenever I released my last EP, and I 83 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,000 Speaker 3: just felt really sad and I felt like I didn't 84 00:04:34,000 --> 00:04:37,159 Speaker 3: have really not that I ever want to say anything 85 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: bad about anyone, but anything like bad. 86 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 2: To say about this person. 87 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm just sad and I can't 88 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 3: say anything to you because you aren't responding. So I 89 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 3: just feel like I should put everything I feel into. 90 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:48,080 Speaker 2: This music, you know. 91 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: And it's not it's negative emotions, but not negative exactly 92 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 3: towards you. It's just like, here's what you'll never say, 93 00:04:57,120 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 3: Here's how I'm feeling, and I know I have to 94 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 3: let go it. And it took me a while after 95 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 3: writing all of these songs to get that last song 96 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 3: of like I know that I have to let go. 97 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 3: All of this happened last fall and only kind of 98 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 3: later into the summer did I finally feel like, Okay, 99 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 3: I like really have got to. 100 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:17,120 Speaker 2: Let go of this. 101 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 3: It's silly and I've just far and so I finally did. 102 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 3: And it's just like it's nice to have that on there. 103 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,839 Speaker 3: As you know, I might not have closure on everything, 104 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:28,039 Speaker 3: but I can give myself my own like peace of 105 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 3: mind and closure and like you know what life goes on. 106 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and giving yourself your own peace of mind, I 107 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: think is the greatest gift. We've all been through experiences 108 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: where we want that closure and we don't necessarily always 109 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: get it, So to give it to yourself, I think 110 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 1: is one of the biggest gifts we can give right. 111 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, though I would love a little bit 112 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:51,679 Speaker 2: of closure. 113 00:05:53,240 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: You're like, well, I think it quite enough. 114 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, it was nice to finally be able 115 00:05:59,600 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 2: to write that. 116 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: Is there a song on this EP that was more 117 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,520 Speaker 1: difficult than the rest for you to write? 118 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: I don't know, probably midnight in London because that was 119 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: kind of like because I was writing it and I 120 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 3: was like, well, guys, I'm not over it, so I 121 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: don't want to say this, and They're like, yeah. 122 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: But you have to be. 123 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, fine, God, I'll write this and 124 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 3: I'll say it and I know I have to let go, 125 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 3: but I don't want. 126 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 2: To, you know. 127 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not easy to do. Is your 128 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: songwriting process super for anetic? Is it peaceful? Is it random? 129 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Do you wake up at four? I am like, oh, 130 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,039 Speaker 1: I have a thought. I mean, how do you put 131 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: together a body of work? 132 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 3: I mean, it definitely depends. It really really depends. I 133 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 3: mean the other night, my dad and I just took 134 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 3: a trip and we went to rock slash Metal festival 135 00:06:53,440 --> 00:06:56,480 Speaker 3: over the weekend and we had gotten back and both 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 3: of us were so tired. But I was just laying 137 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 3: up like in bed in this hotel, like just writing 138 00:07:02,640 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 3: and writing, and my dad was like, can you go 139 00:07:04,400 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 3: to bed? We have to get up in the morning 140 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,200 Speaker 3: and drive home. And I was like, no, I have 141 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 3: so many thoughts. 142 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 2: Like I can't go to bed. 143 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:10,400 Speaker 3: And I ended up getting to bed by like three, 144 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 3: And I have this really scrambled, big gold like paragraph 145 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 3: in my notes app at this point. But then other 146 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,320 Speaker 3: times I like to write on paper and I use 147 00:07:20,320 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 3: a lot of pinterest. I think it really depends on 148 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 3: what it is that I'm writing about. 149 00:07:24,800 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: And you're someone who likes to write about what you're going. 150 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 3: Through completely, I feel like I feel like it's I 151 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 3: can't write about something if it isn't how I'm feeling. 152 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: Because in my last ep, you know, I wrote about 153 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 3: heartbreak and breakups, but it was more just a way 154 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: because it was all entirely true to me, but saying 155 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 3: that it was a breakup of a relationship was easier 156 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 3: to convey in the music. But it was more of 157 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 3: like a breakup of a friendship, or maybe it was 158 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 3: a about a family member, maybe it was about this. 159 00:07:56,880 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 2: But everything that. 160 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: I'm feeling, I feel like I get annoying and songwriting 161 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 3: sessions sometimes because someone will suggest something and I'll be like, 162 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 3: I love that, and it's like such a good lyric, 163 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: but I feel like I can't sing that because that 164 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 3: didn't happen to me. And I don't want to be 165 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 3: lying about this situation that nobody will ever know who 166 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 3: this person is, nobody will ever know what this situation is. 167 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 3: But I feel like I'm like, I don't know. I 168 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 3: don't want to lie about them or about this, even 169 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 3: though it's not a lie, it's a lyric. 170 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 2: It's like I don't know. 171 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: It just doesn't feel right to me, and I feel 172 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 3: like I have to be as truthful as possible. 173 00:08:29,400 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 2: But it is different. 174 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 3: Sometimes I write songs through a character's perspective or for 175 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: a film about the film or things like that, But 176 00:08:37,920 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 3: whenever I'm writing for my own personal stories, I always 177 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 3: get really specific in things that I reference or mention, 178 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 3: and it's just kind of things that only like I 179 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 3: would know, or only other people in that situation would know, 180 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: and it's just like, I don't know. 181 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 2: It just makes it extra like special listening back to it. 182 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: Well, I think that's the magic of your work is 183 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,440 Speaker 1: it's so visual. And you know you mentioned Midnight in 184 00:09:01,480 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: London and I love that. I loved that song for 185 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: so many reasons, but I could really see every single 186 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,960 Speaker 1: frame of that song like playing out like a movie, 187 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:13,160 Speaker 1: and I thought it's I thought the message was incredible 188 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 1: as well, just about having to let go and the 189 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: importance of having to let go? Is that something throughout 190 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,319 Speaker 1: your life that was a hard lesson for you to learn? 191 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: I don't even think that I've learned that lesson. 192 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 3: Still like I wrote that song, but I still like 193 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: I'm the type of person it's I feel like I 194 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 3: really touched on it in my song November. 195 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: I'm just the person I don't let go of things. 196 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: I don't know I have like I'm looking at this 197 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: little trinket shelf in front of me. That is another 198 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 3: example that it's just like I see things and I 199 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,280 Speaker 3: create emotional attachments to them, and then it's just like, oh, well, 200 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 3: now I can't watch this movie without thinking of a person, 201 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:48,320 Speaker 3: and it's like, what can I do? 202 00:09:49,080 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 2: You know, It's just like, I don't know, I just 203 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 2: hold on to things for way too long. 204 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 3: I'm not great at letting things go, but I'm definitely 205 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 3: I'm trying. 206 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 1: But you know what, I don't know if it's a 207 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: bad thing to be able to let certain things go. 208 00:10:02,080 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: I'm the same way. I attach such emotional meaning to 209 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 1: so many things, like stupid things. I'll have something on 210 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: a shelf for like ten years, and my husband will 211 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 1: be like, do you really need that? And I'm like, yes, 212 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: because in nineteen ninety eight and one day I had 213 00:10:15,400 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: lunch with somebody who gave it to me. Like it's 214 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: so crazy the things I attach meaning to, But I 215 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:21,480 Speaker 1: don't know if it's always a bad thing. 216 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: I think that it's important to let go of things 217 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:27,160 Speaker 3: that are not healthy to you anymore. But to me, 218 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 3: everything that I've experienced with a person or just in 219 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 3: my life is important and it carries some sort of 220 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 3: meaning or value. And I've like, even if I don't 221 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 3: talk to a person anymore, or even if they like 222 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 3: really hurt me or I don't like them, or even 223 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 3: if everything ended happily, but I can't let go of it. 224 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:50,440 Speaker 3: I still think that it's important to not have regrets 225 00:10:50,480 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 3: about things that hurt you, because it's just like it 226 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 3: happened and you. 227 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,040 Speaker 2: Learned a lesson and it made me who I am. 228 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 3: Like there's so many things in my life that I 229 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:03,160 Speaker 3: feel like I would regret if I wasn't a songwriter 230 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:05,319 Speaker 3: and I did not see how it changed the way 231 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:07,439 Speaker 3: I write, or how it changed the way that I think, 232 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: or how it changed the way that I like interact 233 00:11:09,600 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 3: with the world around me. I just think that it's 234 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 3: important to hold on to little things at least. 235 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: When you brought up November earlier, there was a line 236 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 1: in that song that I was just heartbroken hearing because 237 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 1: I feel like, again, it's so relatable, and that line 238 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 1: was I'm so tired of being patient, always waiting for 239 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: something that never lasts. What were you going through when 240 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 1: you wrote that? 241 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 2: I mean, that's just me. 242 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:47,640 Speaker 3: I'm very, very very much a hopeless romantic, but like 243 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 3: everything anything, everything romantically is very important to me. Like 244 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 3: I don't take it lightly, even as silly as going 245 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 3: on a day or kissing someone, Like to me, it's 246 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 3: still like a big deal. It's like, oh my god, 247 00:12:01,840 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 3: that's like massive to me. 248 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. 249 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 3: It's just like I love love so so much, and 250 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 3: I so badly want to be in love, but I 251 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 3: also never want to rush it. But I'm like, oh, 252 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:14,560 Speaker 3: but when am I gonna fall in love? But I 253 00:12:14,600 --> 00:12:17,199 Speaker 3: need to wait. But if something comes along, like I 254 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: wouldn't be opposed to it, but also it might not 255 00:12:19,200 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 3: be you know, like I'm just. 256 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:21,160 Speaker 2: Always all over the place. 257 00:12:21,480 --> 00:12:24,200 Speaker 3: I'm always like I can't wait to fall in love someday, 258 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 3: but then it feels like I don't know, it's like 259 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 3: it never lasts and I'm just so sad. And then 260 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 3: I feel like the line either before or after that 261 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 3: is like telling myself, this too shall pass. And that's 262 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:38,640 Speaker 3: what my mom always says to me. That's like, that's 263 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:40,920 Speaker 3: my mom thing, is that my mom's always like. 264 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: This too shall pass, like you'll makeet through this and 265 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: X y Z and so it's just like a little 266 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 2: personal motto. 267 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: So you were totally a hopeless romantic. 268 00:12:51,520 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: Completely. 269 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 3: It's so bad that, like completely, and it ties into 270 00:12:55,040 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 3: me like always holding on the little like silly things 271 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 3: I I don't I love love. 272 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,040 Speaker 2: I love love. 273 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: Listen, there are worse things to love. So I'm a 274 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,640 Speaker 1: hopeless romantic too. I love it. I'm the guy that's 275 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: like watching a cheesy rom com crying his eyes out 276 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: because it's so beautiful. 277 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 3: I never thought of myself as somebody who like cried 278 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 3: in movies or anything like that until I just recently 279 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: started watching a bunch of rom coms and I'm like, wow, 280 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: I'm a baby. 281 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the same way. Do you have a favorite 282 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 1: rom com? Hmm? 283 00:13:29,320 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 3: I just watched How to Lose a Guy in ten 284 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:33,240 Speaker 3: Days Classics. 285 00:13:33,280 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 2: I just watched that. That was really that was really funny. 286 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: I thought that it was sweet. 287 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Have you watched The Holiday Holiday as Kate. 288 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 2: Winslet No, no, no, I haven't. 289 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: Okay, one of my all time favorites for everyone listening 290 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: pop in the Holiday? It will make you cry and 291 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: feel all the feels. 292 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I'll put it on my watch list. 293 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah you must so you know. Yes, there's a lot 294 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,959 Speaker 1: of heartbreaking your songs. But I imagine that you have 295 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: to stay optimistic to be able to keep the hope alive, 296 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:08,640 Speaker 1: to be able to want that love one day, to 297 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: still believe in it. Right, So how do you stay 298 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: optimistic when you do experience such heartbreak? 299 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. This is too shall pass. I just like. 300 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: I have a firm belief that all that is meant 301 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: to be like what happened, I am putting it in 302 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 3: God and. 303 00:14:27,280 --> 00:14:30,280 Speaker 2: The Universe's hands. You know, I. 304 00:14:31,960 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: Know that there's someone out there for me romantically, keeping 305 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 3: hope alive. I just know that someday, I don't know 306 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:40,200 Speaker 3: how I know, but I'm just like, someday, I know 307 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 3: that it'll happen. I don't know when it'll be who 308 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,520 Speaker 3: it'll be, and I hate having to sit around and wait, 309 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: but like, I don't know, there's some sort of plan 310 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 3: out there in the universe for something, and I feel 311 00:14:54,000 --> 00:14:56,840 Speaker 3: like I don't know. My fate is just like in 312 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: the universes and in God's hands, so there's nothing I 313 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: can do about it. I just have to wait and 314 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: see what happens, and until then I can write all 315 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 3: of my silly, little sad songs. 316 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,640 Speaker 1: Yes, and having that belief is so important. I think 317 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,360 Speaker 1: that listen, life is a crazy, messy, windy ride and 318 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:15,240 Speaker 1: we never know what's going to happen. And I think 319 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: that as long as you go through it knowing what 320 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: you want, knowing what you don't want, what you're willing 321 00:15:19,840 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: to not sacrifice on right and waiting for the right 322 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: thing is so important. And we have to go through 323 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: our heartbreaks and our messes to get to the crown jewels. 324 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 3: I like to say, yeah, it makes you who you are, 325 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 3: and I mean without all of the heartbreak, and all 326 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 3: of the messy things in life, you know, like how 327 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 3: are you ever going to learn what you want or 328 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: who you are or you know what you don't like 329 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: like or what you do like or all the things. 330 00:15:47,160 --> 00:15:47,840 Speaker 2: I mean everything. 331 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 3: It's like I said earlier, everything is just like a 332 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,360 Speaker 3: learning experience and I don't know everything's important. 333 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: And it's just like, yeah, and you just nailed it. 334 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:57,960 Speaker 1: Was I was in something in my young twenties that 335 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: was so wrong for me for a million reasons. Thank 336 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 1: god I went through that because now I know what 337 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: it is that works for me and that I wanted 338 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: and you know, I'm happily married and all the things. 339 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,400 Speaker 1: So yes, you have to go through your journey, and 340 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: it's all, it's all a part of it. I So 341 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 1: I felt so many different inspirations through your music through listening, 342 00:16:18,320 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 1: and I'm curious to hear from you. Who are your 343 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: biggest musical inspirations right now? 344 00:16:23,880 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: Lana Delray, I have like on my wall over here, 345 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 3: I have like a bunch of pictures of her. 346 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 2: I love Lana Delray. I don't know. I think that 347 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: she's so brilliant in the way that. 348 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:39,200 Speaker 3: She like is so old Hollywood and cool, but it's 349 00:16:39,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 3: like in a weird, darker modern way, which I think 350 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 3: is so rad because I don't know, Like I said, 351 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: I want to stay cinematic and very like old Hollywood 352 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:51,840 Speaker 3: is my favorite type of vibe, and so I don't 353 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 3: know that's right now. 354 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 2: But at the time of writing this EP, because. 355 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: It always jumps all over the place, it went from 356 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 3: like Letigra and Green Day and Nirvana. 357 00:17:03,840 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: To uh at the time, it was honestly just so 358 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:12,680 Speaker 2: many heartbreak songs. 359 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 3: I have like a whole, whole long long playlist here 360 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: it is, okay. I was listening to a lot of Miski, 361 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:25,040 Speaker 3: I was listening to a lot of Mac DeMarco and 362 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: Taylor Swift and Lord, a lot of all of your 363 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,960 Speaker 3: ego of course, and surprising I love the Lala Lamb soundtrack. 364 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: Oh it's beautiful. 365 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:37,239 Speaker 2: I don't know. 366 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 3: I think that that really like ties into wanting to 367 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,479 Speaker 3: feel cinematic in your music. 368 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, one hundred percent. And it's funny you brought up 369 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: Lana because she came into mind right away, and and 370 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: Taylor came to mind too. 371 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, So thank you. 372 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 1: Yeah for real, I just I And I'm such a 373 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:55,840 Speaker 1: fan of our work. I think you are part of 374 00:17:55,880 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: that that tribe now and releasing such moving and beautiful 375 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: and you keep saying the word cinematic, and I know 376 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: that's so important to you, and I truly feel like 377 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 1: that's what you came out with. So it's really cool, Like, 378 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 1: I are we gonna get some some music videos possibly? 379 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 2: I mean, that's nice. 380 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,280 Speaker 3: I have a lot of them written and I may 381 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 3: or may not be doing something this week, but who knows. 382 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: Who knows? 383 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: Fantastic because I mean, we've got to see this come 384 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: to life. It's it's made for a music video, so 385 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:34,120 Speaker 1: we will eagerly await that may or may not happening. 386 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:38,800 Speaker 1: We'll see what will happen. But it's evident you love music, 387 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: right and you also love acting. I know there's over 388 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: seventy credits to your name, but songwriting and music is 389 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:49,199 Speaker 1: such a different thing, I imagine for you. So what 390 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,359 Speaker 1: is it about music that fulfills you in a different 391 00:18:51,440 --> 00:18:53,479 Speaker 1: way than acting? 392 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 2: Acting? 393 00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,239 Speaker 3: To me is such it's really fulfilling, like playing a 394 00:18:59,280 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 3: deep character or getting to film emotional scenes or doing 395 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: something deep like that, or just playing any characters really fulfilling, 396 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:12,639 Speaker 3: like as an actress, and I love acting so much, 397 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 3: But then music is fulfilling in like a deeper personal way. 398 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: I don't know. 399 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 3: Music's music is my very public therapy, you know. It's 400 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:25,880 Speaker 3: just like I sit and I write, and I write, 401 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: and I write all of the time now, and I 402 00:19:29,320 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 3: can't stop because it's just my way to get all 403 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 3: of my emotions out and whether I put it out 404 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 3: there or not, you know, Like there's dozens of songs 405 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 3: that I've written just because it like benefited my own 406 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 3: mental health to just like write those things down and 407 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 3: say them out loud in the form of song, I suppose. 408 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 2: So it's just it's fulfilling in a different way. 409 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,920 Speaker 3: And it's nice to be able to share my own 410 00:19:51,960 --> 00:19:54,560 Speaker 3: stories as much as I love telling everybody else's and 411 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: getting to dive into different people. 412 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: It's I don't know. 413 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: I've been acting. I'm seven, and then I've been acting 414 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 3: for twelve years, so that's like a lot of my life. 415 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 3: And so I've been pretending to be other people and 416 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 3: learning how to like be younger versions of someone, or 417 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: how to play a different character, or like spending all 418 00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 3: night trying to figure out how to play a real 419 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 3: life person. And now I'm like figuring out who I 420 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:25,480 Speaker 3: am and so my songs, I feel like the mood 421 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 3: of the music is always all over the place, but 422 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 3: it's because I am too. 423 00:20:28,640 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 2: I don't know. 424 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 3: I'm finally just like growing into myself and figuring out like, Okay, 425 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 3: I have my own personality. I'm my own person like 426 00:20:35,800 --> 00:20:38,919 Speaker 3: who is that? And so I've been really figuring it 427 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 3: out and music has really. 428 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,199 Speaker 2: Been helping that. 429 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: Is being a singer songwriter easier or harder than playing 430 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:48,680 Speaker 1: a character? 431 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: I'd say it's it's probably easier because I'm a really 432 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,879 Speaker 3: emotional person. And I probably get that because I have 433 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 3: to be so open with my emotions and acting. 434 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 2: But I'm just a. 435 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 3: Very deeply emotional person and so it's very easy for 436 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: me to just like spill my guts all the time 437 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 3: whenever songwriting. But I'd say like whenever it comes to performing, 438 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:14,800 Speaker 3: doing a live performance is way scarier because you only 439 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 3: have one shot. 440 00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 1: Oh interesting, interesting, Even scarier than a camera like in 441 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: your face. 442 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, because at least with like the camera in my face, 443 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:28,440 Speaker 3: I have like thirty takes to do it. But I mean, 444 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: I don't know, there's just something about being on stage 445 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 3: and whenever you're acting, you know, of course there's a 446 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:39,480 Speaker 3: crew around you and whatnot. But there's just something different 447 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 3: about looking out at everybody and they're watching you, like 448 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: in that moment, and they're watching what you're doing, and 449 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 3: you have like one chance to do it, and you're like, well, 450 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,640 Speaker 3: pure goes nothing, and it's just so scary, but it's 451 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 3: really fun. 452 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:52,480 Speaker 1: Well that makes total sense. It's amazing that you can 453 00:21:52,520 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: do it all in all different avenues of creativity. Going 454 00:21:56,359 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: back to the EP for a minute. Autumn. Why Autumn? Autumn? 455 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: Oh? I love fall, Like I'm feeling so fall right now. 456 00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 3: I have like my best cup of tea, I have 457 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 3: my little like brown sweater on, I have like last 458 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:12,840 Speaker 3: night I had like two different fall candles. 459 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:16,120 Speaker 2: Going and two different corners of my room. I love fall. 460 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: It's my favorite season. I don't even know what else 461 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 2: to say. It's just perfect whenever it starts getting just 462 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 2: a little bit chilly and all the leaves turn, and. 463 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 3: Then you can start wearing sweaters without feeling like ashamed 464 00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 3: of yourself because I just love sweaters so much, and 465 00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,400 Speaker 3: I'll wear them during the summer, but then. 466 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 2: It's too hot and I'm dying. But I'm like, God, 467 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: but this is my favorite sweater. 468 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,240 Speaker 3: And it looks so good and so like I don't know, 469 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,640 Speaker 3: breaking out the tea, Halloween, scary movies all month, and 470 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:47,719 Speaker 3: then it's just it's also such a nice time for 471 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 3: anything romantic, and I don't know, there's always the worst 472 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 3: heartbreaking fall too. 473 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: I find I'm with you, and I don't want to 474 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: make this about me, but I did happen to wear 475 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:01,120 Speaker 1: my burgundy in your honor today in my Fall theme 476 00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: for you, so I love it. 477 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 2: I'm in my Fall theme for. 478 00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: You or Fall Twins. I love that. I'm a New 479 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 1: York City boy. I'm in New York right now. I'm 480 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: from the East Coast, so we really get fall. 481 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:13,880 Speaker 2: I love New York. 482 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: I write about it all the time in my EP 483 00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: and album I Love New York. 484 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a special city. Something else that came to 485 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 1: mind when I was listening to this, You know, you're 486 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: writing about people essentially or somebody. Do you ever worry 487 00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 1: about putting out your personal life and how that person 488 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 1: is going to view what you're saying? Like is there 489 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: a line you won't cross? Are you cognizant to change 490 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 1: certain things? Like? How is that process when there is 491 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 1: somebody else involved? As a songwriter. 492 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: It's terrifying because I get so specific and I'm saying 493 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 3: things that you know, like only I and this other 494 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 3: person will know. It's scary because I'm like, oh my god, 495 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,200 Speaker 3: everybody's going to know who I wrote this about. Everybody's 496 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 3: going to know this, but it's like nobody's going to know. 497 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:01,600 Speaker 3: It's just like it's nobody's gonna no except for us. 498 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 3: And so I was. I was frustrated in my last EP, 499 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 3: and I wrote a lot of things that weren't the nicest. 500 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: And so I did have some phone calls. 501 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: Uh. You know, I just feel like, man, I still 502 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 3: have a phone call to make in regards to this EP, 503 00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 3: and I'm not looking forward to it. But I feel 504 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: like it's important. Even though I feel like I'm not 505 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 3: saying anything wrong or bad, I'm just saying how I 506 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 3: felt and putting my emotions out there. I feel like 507 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,359 Speaker 3: it's only fair just to be like, hey, by the way, 508 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 3: I wrote a lot of music, but it's also because 509 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:41,359 Speaker 3: you broke my heart. 510 00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: But I wrote a lot of music and I'm putting 511 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:44,640 Speaker 2: it out there. 512 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,240 Speaker 3: And luckily, like from my last EP, you know, those 513 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 3: phone calls actually came a lot of good and now 514 00:24:51,920 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 3: this person that I was so upset with for so 515 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 3: long and who like I was like, felt like really 516 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:00,400 Speaker 3: hurt me or rogby you know, now we're like tight 517 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 3: and friends again and it's just like amazing, and I'm 518 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: like great, well, and now they make jokes all the 519 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 3: time about remember whenever you wrote that song about me, 520 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah, if you like are mean again, 521 00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: then I'll write more. But actually a really funny story 522 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 3: is that while I was recording what You'll Never Say, 523 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: like singing myself the apology that I never received, I 524 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,720 Speaker 3: got my first phone call from this person in over 525 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: like eight months, and I actually like have the take 526 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 3: of me like like a cold, dirty out of nowhere. 527 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 2: And so I was, I was singing this song and 528 00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 2: I have the take of me going, oh my god, 529 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 2: so and so is calling me. 530 00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 3: And then like my producer, who like has been there 531 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 3: through everything through whenever I was writing this Autumn Leaves 532 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 3: Love song to now finishing this heartbreak. 533 00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 2: Epee uh you know, and we freaked out. 534 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 3: And then I kind of got the apology like semi 535 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 3: that semi that I never received, and it was like 536 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 3: crazy and I was like, that's such an insane story 537 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 3: to have now is that I'm singing myself the apology 538 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,399 Speaker 3: I never received, and then all of a sudden I kind. 539 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: Of got it. 540 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 3: And so it was just like so strange, and it 541 00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,159 Speaker 3: just like goes to show the universe works so weird, 542 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 3: Like I as soon as I finished this project, now 543 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,320 Speaker 3: it's like, I don't know. Everything's kind of like nice again, 544 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 3: and it's just like, I don't know, it's strange to 545 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 3: see how everything works. 546 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:34,879 Speaker 2: Yeah, and my heart break out of my system well. 547 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,360 Speaker 1: Right, and music's healing. I mean, that's why I think 548 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: it's such an important art form that we all need 549 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,760 Speaker 1: to have. And I'm such an avid music listener and 550 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what I would do without music, And 551 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: that's why it's one of the most important things in 552 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: the world. To you. What makes music so important? 553 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 3: I just connect so deeply, like emotionally with music, and it, 554 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 3: whether I'm writing it or listening to it, helps me 555 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,080 Speaker 3: process my emotion and it can even whenever I'm acting, 556 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 3: you know, it can really transport me to a place 557 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,800 Speaker 3: of very deep like emotions or sadness or anything. Like 558 00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,679 Speaker 3: I listen to music constantly whenever I'm playing a character 559 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,280 Speaker 3: to get me into that headspace or that world, especially. 560 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 2: With emotional scenes. 561 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: But I don't know, finding a song that's like that 562 00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,679 Speaker 3: is exactly how I feel. I'll listen to it until 563 00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 3: I can't anymore, you know, I don't know. I just 564 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 3: think that there's something also so special about music and 565 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: getting to see it live is so cool. Like I said, 566 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 3: over the weekend, I was with my dad at this 567 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 3: rock festival, which is so different than anything in regards 568 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 3: to this EP, but like just getting to see everybody 569 00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: like jump around together and like feel that emotion and 570 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: that vibe and everybody's so excited and hyped together. 571 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:53,359 Speaker 2: Like, I don't know, it's. 572 00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,440 Speaker 3: So cool that just some people on stage with these 573 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 3: silly little like stringed instruments can make people feel that 574 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,160 Speaker 3: and connect people in a way that they never would 575 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 3: have connected before. 576 00:28:06,840 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, it creates that sense of community, which I think 577 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 1: we all need more than ever, which is again one 578 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 1: of the brilliant things about music. When I look at 579 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,320 Speaker 1: you right now, you seem so light, you seem so excited, 580 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,199 Speaker 1: You seem like you did go through a lot of 581 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: tough things that you wrote about, but you came out 582 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,800 Speaker 1: on the other side. So McKenna I'm curious to know 583 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: if you could fill in this blank what you would say. 584 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 1: I am at a point in my life. 585 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: Where I'm at a point in my life where I'm 586 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:42,440 Speaker 2: you know what. 587 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,680 Speaker 3: I'm at a point in my life where I'm starting 588 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 3: to like like myself, which is nice. 589 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 2: It's a really nice feeling. 590 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,680 Speaker 3: I for so long, like I don't know, not to 591 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,440 Speaker 3: get all like sad or deever weird. 592 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: Oh please, so long, I just like, I don't. 593 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: Know, I didn't like myself for so long, like I 594 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 3: felt like there was something so like deeply wrong with me. 595 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: And now I'm like sitting here and I'm like, WHOA. 596 00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: I think I was just like a really like sad 597 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: teenager for a little bit, and now I'm like, I 598 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,600 Speaker 3: turned seventeen, and I've been really working on improving myself 599 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 3: and my body and my mental health. 600 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: And then I just like cleaned up my room and 601 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:30,280 Speaker 2: made it really. 602 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:35,280 Speaker 3: Like light and cleaner and less clottered, and I'm just 603 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 3: trying to, like, I don't know, breathe, and I'm just like, 604 00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:41,160 Speaker 3: I don't know, I'm starting to get to like a 605 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: positive place with myself, which I think is really nice 606 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,640 Speaker 3: because I'm like, oh, hey, I'm like, I'm feeling myself 607 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,920 Speaker 3: lately and it's really nice. 608 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 2: I'm just like, oh, I don't know, it's nice. 609 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: Good for you, Good for you. That self work is 610 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: something that I think we should never stop striving for. 611 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: And I love that you're at a place at seventeen 612 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: where you're starting to realize the importance of that and 613 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,800 Speaker 1: taking time to allow yourself to grow in all those 614 00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:07,840 Speaker 1: different ways that you just talked about. I think that's 615 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,280 Speaker 1: a really honest and cool answer. I usually wrap up 616 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,120 Speaker 1: my show by asking all of my guests, what is 617 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 1: one thing that they've never said before? But I feel 618 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: like that maybe is something you really haven't talked about before. 619 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,160 Speaker 1: Is that right? 620 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 2: I think so. 621 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 3: I think a lot of right now, like this entire 622 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,719 Speaker 3: interview and just kind of with this EP in general, 623 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 3: I'm talking about, you know, things I've never talked about 624 00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 3: it publicly, Like I don't know. As much as I 625 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 3: write about it, I don't I don't really talk about 626 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 3: my breakups or break up I'm singular, I don't really 627 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,160 Speaker 3: talk about like I don't know, I could feel so weird, 628 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 3: like talking about my personal life or like my emotions 629 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,640 Speaker 3: or like I don't know, but yeah, especially that, because 630 00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 3: I feel like it's just been such a thing for 631 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 3: me for such a long time. And you know, I 632 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,880 Speaker 3: have like a few songs out there about feeling into 633 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 3: here in myself, but I always, I always felt so 634 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 3: strange releasing something like that because I felt like I 635 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 3: didn't have like a moral of the story, or I 636 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: wasn't on the other side of it, and so I 637 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:11,920 Speaker 3: felt like it wasn't fair for me to put something 638 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,200 Speaker 3: out there that's like negative about myself but not know 639 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 3: like how to resolve that or how to fix it. 640 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 3: I go through things in life, but that's not who 641 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,520 Speaker 3: I am, you know. And now I'm starting to finally 642 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 3: realize that, because it's easy to say, like I'm just 643 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:28,400 Speaker 3: a sad person and that's who I am, and I 644 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 3: just don't like myself or. 645 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 2: I'm just this. But it's like I'm always, throughout my 646 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 2: life going to go through moments where where. 647 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: I probably hate myself or where I probably hate this, 648 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 3: or where I hate this or that, or where I'm 649 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: deeply sad or depressed. 650 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 2: But that's not gonna last forever. That's not who I am. 651 00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 3: It's not something that will actively take over my life, 652 00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,360 Speaker 3: like it's just bumps and phases along the road, and 653 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 3: then the rest of life is going to be life, 654 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: and whatever happens happens, and I'm gonna have so many 655 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: more adventures and I'm gonna. 656 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 2: Have ups and downs, but it just like it comes 657 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:01,800 Speaker 2: and goes. 658 00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,640 Speaker 3: And I think that it's nice to like I'm in 659 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 3: like a more positive area of that ride right now 660 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,400 Speaker 3: and I'm happy about it. Well. 661 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,720 Speaker 1: And that's what I loved about this conversation today and 662 00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: about your EP is You're normalizing feeling all the emotions, 663 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: and I think that's so important. You know, one of 664 00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,280 Speaker 1: the most irritating questions to me that I get asked 665 00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: or someone else might get asked, is, oh, you seem 666 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: really sad today. It's so unlike you Are you okay? 667 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: It's like, I'm allowed to be sad. I do have 668 00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: a sad side as well, like I'm not always going 669 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: to be happy. And I think that you talking about 670 00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: this and showing people that it's okay to feel what 671 00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: you feel and then pull out of it and carry 672 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:42,320 Speaker 1: on and not let it define you is such an 673 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: important message. And I hope you realize that through being 674 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: your honest self and through writing your truth you are 675 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: helping a lot of people feel seen. 676 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 2: I hope so. 677 00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 3: And I mean I'm saying this right now as if 678 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 3: I wasn't like crying in the shower last night to 679 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 3: Phoebe Bridgers, like I was so sad yesterday. 680 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 2: But now I'm just like, oh, I'm feeling good right now. 681 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 3: So it's like it's all over the place all the time, 682 00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 3: and I think that it's healthy and normal to feel that. 683 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:08,360 Speaker 2: But thank you. I try. 684 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's a great message to put out there. 685 00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: Autumn Leaves is out now. How can people stream download 686 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: all the things? 687 00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 3: All the things I don't know McKenna grace on like Spotify, 688 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 3: rable music, ramas on music or any of the things. 689 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 3: I have music videos on YouTube that I write myself 690 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 3: then I co direct them. 691 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: So all the things, all the things. Well, congratulations on 692 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,000 Speaker 1: this amazing ep. You heard it from Mechenna. Grab your fuzziest, 693 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: coziest blanket and a cup of tea and light some 694 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: pumpkin candles and I don't know, throw leaves around your 695 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 1: room and listen. 696 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 3: To this right absolutely yeah, the leaf throwing bit is 697 00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:46,520 Speaker 3: really important. 698 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: Just bring a vacuum, crucial, absolutely crucial. Thank you so much. Congratulations. 699 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 1: I look forward to hearing more from you when the 700 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: next round of inspiration hits. 701 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:01,200 Speaker 2: Thank you, it's already coming. There's too much good. 702 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,960 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you, thank you, and happy fall. Congratulations, 703 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:09,800 Speaker 1: thank you, Happy ball. I've never said this before. It 704 00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 1: is hosted by me, Tommy de Dario. This podcast is 705 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: executive produced by Andrew Puglisi at iHeartRadio and by me, Tommy, 706 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,400 Speaker 1: I've Never Said this before. It's part of the Elvis 707 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,759 Speaker 1: de Ram podcast network on iHeart Podcasts. For more, rate 708 00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 1: review and subscribe to our show and if you liked 709 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,880 Speaker 1: the episode, tell your friends until next time. I'm Tommy 710 00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:36,120 Speaker 1: de Dario and I hope this show encourages you to 711 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: say something that you've never said before.