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Speaker 1: of music where these women are are what what I

428
00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,440
Speaker 1: was referring to. I don't know if you're saying that too. Yes,

429
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: these female rappers are getting after it, but they're talking

430
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: just as reckless as y'all talked at one point in time,

431
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:09,119
Speaker 1: and it's with intention and and maybe it started a

432
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: little Kim maybe before then, right, But my point is

433
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: is that it's very much this empowering anthem that takes away, um,

434
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,320
Speaker 1: the stigma that says you can call me a whole,

435
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,200
Speaker 1: the stigma that says you I'm a whole. If I

436
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: decide to get it, how I live right or or yes,

437
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: the word used incessantly in a very endearing way. Um,

438
00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,240
Speaker 1: I still credit you with that. But I am watching

439
00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: I'm watching these women, and I'm all like, oh, she

440
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,639
Speaker 1: she's like, I want this money, you better give it

441
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 1: to me. If you ain't got no money, I ain't

442
00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,879
Speaker 1: trying to hear you. Like back in the day, that's unheard.

443
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 1: You're not allowed to say that because you can't be

444
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,680
Speaker 1: a gold digger. So everything that we've been listening to

445
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 1: with male hip hop and all of the derogatory terms,

446
00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,360
Speaker 1: these women are like, no, that's right, all of those

447
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: some bread some dope male rapper stood at the table

448
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: one too many times listening to a song that said

449
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,760
Speaker 1: it ain't tricking if you got it. Uh, you know

450
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna do this for me, and we're gonna do

451
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: this on my times. Yeah, you're gonna buy it, but

452
00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: not on that little she said this, this is how

453
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 1: it goes. And you know nick Nicki Minaj, you know

454
00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: she's she's Nicki Minaj. But I give it to a

455
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: little kid, like a little I feel like little Kim's

456
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: doing it before very inappropriately, and we were like, how

457
00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 1: dare you? And then you're like Blazer, pioneering Little Kim

458
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: Foxy Brown. They blaze that trail. You know when we

459
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: do let a female all she's got to be sort

460
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 1: of regal and she has to be respectable. And and

461
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 1: they was like a like a like a you know

462
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 1: what we have to do, pay the bills, press fassbard

463
00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: breast bass hard breastpass hard back in the moment, every champion,

464
00:25:57,800 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 1: and every champion has to be a chap We gotta

465
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 1: champion and carry Chappion and carry chappiyon Chappion and carry

466
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: Chappion and carry Chappi and sports and then the team

467
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:11,479
Speaker 1: making make it work. Very Chappion and Carrie Chappi used

468
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,080
Speaker 1: to be a champion, the champion. They carry Chappi and

469
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: the Chappi and they carry Chappi and they carry Chappi

470
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 1: and then make it work. Welcome back, y'all too short.

471
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: I want to go back because you said something. I

472
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 1: want to buy education because this is for educational purposes

473
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 1: only mm hmm. Comes from pimp, the pimp culture, the

474
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: pimp life. My friend was here a moment ago and

475
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: she immediately identified you as pimp daddy, right, I know,

476
00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: but she was just like he's a true O G

477
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,160
Speaker 1: pimp Like she says that to me all the time,

478
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: like she was like, he's our O G pimp whatever

479
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:50,199
Speaker 1: that not in not in the way that you are,

480
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So it's the pam game.

481
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 1: It's from Oakland. Tell me about that. Tell me about

482
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 1: what that means. Oakland was a city at one time

483
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,159
Speaker 1: that was like the vice where you go for your

484
00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: vices in the Bay The Bay Area has millions of

485
00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 1: people and there are places you go, but then Oakland

486
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: was that city that people knew, like you go there

487
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: at the party. We had clubs that were like fun. Uh.

488
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: And you know we had right next door to us

489
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: is the is the Alameda Navy Naval Base that was

490
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:37,680
Speaker 1: right next door to Oakland. Alameda is a city. Next

491
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: door to Oakland, we had Oakland Army Base, which was

492
00:27:42,400 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 1: like West Oakland is in in Oakland was and then

493
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: right up the street we had the Travis Air Force Base.

494
00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,439
Speaker 1: So you got all these military guys, you got all

495
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: these um people from around the city and the suburbs

496
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,600
Speaker 1: that need to go somewhere to get their vices on

497
00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,200
Speaker 1: which I don't think I need to name the vices,

498
00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: but it's the things you do when you go out

499
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: in the party, and you know, then you go back

500
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: to where you're from and act like you didn't do it.

501
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: You know, people would come to Oakland to get that thing.

502
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: And this is the story that was told to me

503
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: about somebody older than me. So you hear you have

504
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 1: this demand, and you have poverty, and you have under privilege,

505
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: and then it just becomes you know, the pimp culture

506
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 1: is a thing that thrived in many cities, and it

507
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,679
Speaker 1: was when you think about it, you try to picture

508
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 1: cars with too many accessories, dudes with suits that matched

509
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: the shoes, and every time you con the words right,

510
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,800
Speaker 1: that was an immage that was portrayed. But in reality,

511
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: all you had to do is provide the service. And

512
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't just the vices I talked about. Was not

513
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 1: just women, it was anything else you might want to

514
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: get to have the party and have fun. So a

515
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,880
Speaker 1: lot of dudes in Oakland like it was. If you're

516
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,240
Speaker 1: my age, I'll come out of hih school in four

517
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: If you're my age, I'm in high school in the

518
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 1: early eighties, and I see this anything you've seen in

519
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: a movie, and you're looking back and going the old

520
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: pimps looking at I saw that on the streets and

521
00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: before crack cocaine came into the neighborhoods. And if I

522
00:29:20,360 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: can talk like this a pimp, you can pimp and

523
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: a prostitute. We're very much respected. As they looked at

524
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: what they've droven, how they stepped out and they didn't.

525
00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: It wasn't like, oh, she's some crack hole, she's dirty. No,

526
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: it was like I'm wearing the best clothes and I

527
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: look good. It was like a fashion show. And because

528
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: of all the things I named to you before it

529
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: thrived in our area, it thrived, there was a big demand.

530
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: The entire bay is coming to you for these vices,

531
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: and and then in the culture, so then you get

532
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: the guys who they're really good at it. They're really

533
00:29:56,360 --> 00:29:59,160
Speaker 1: good at the imaging of it and the marketing of it,

534
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: and the card and matches, and then you know, it's

535
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: just whatever all the way down to the with the

536
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: girls are wearing and and the little things they do

537
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: just to make it like you know, it's a show.

538
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 1: It's entertainment outside of the actual work. Work, work is entertainment.

539
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: And I just took to that. I'm a little kid

540
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm out on the streets. We used to

541
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: go down to watch the show, like we're going to

542
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: play at the park, We're going down to San Pablo

543
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,480
Speaker 1: and we're gonna kick back and watch. Were like, we

544
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: can't get into action because we're not the guys and

545
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: the girls. They get out of here a little wait,

546
00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 1: like it's you know, on that body there. But we

547
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 1: out there just like watching. And I decided when I

548
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: started writing music, it just hit me one day, I'll

549
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: tell you what happened. I heard the song the message

550
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 1: Grandmaster Flash and Fish five the message and the message

551
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: gave me a visual of what was going on in

552
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: New York. I could see New York and I wasn't

553
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: even there. The song right now, you can picture the story,

554
00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: and I said, right then, and the first time I

555
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: heard the song, I said, I'm gonna tell the story

556
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: of Oakland. And that's when I started doing it. And

557
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: I just started looking at the streets and looking at

558
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:19,600
Speaker 1: the people and listening to what they say. And I

559
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 1: put it all the songs, and you know, I tried

560
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: to balance out what I did. Okay, you're saying these

561
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 1: things that are very negative in certain songs, Well, let's

562
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: do like two or three songs the counter that that

563
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 1: are very positive, and let's let's kind of always have

564
00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: a balance. People don't even notice, probably like the first

565
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 1: for major label albums that I did, when you put

566
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: the album on, I don't curse. I don't say one

567
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: curse word until maybe like thirty minutes into the each album.

568
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,520
Speaker 1: The reason that was is because back then it was

569
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 1: cassettes and uh in the mad life is too short,

570
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: short dugs in the house, short your pamp. All these

571
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: albums were designed so that if you play side A,

572
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,720
Speaker 1: it's clean. If you flip it over in play side

573
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 1: BE it comes, it becomes extremely explicit. And I saved

574
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: many a kid from getting the askedhip him with that,

575
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: because the kids back in the day were like Grandma

576
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: will pop in the room and say what you're listening to?

577
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 1: When I just flipp the cassette and like it's too

578
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: short and luck people, I thought I heard. I thought

579
00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I heard because like well and that yeah, and back

580
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: in the day, cursing was unheard of. Now if you're

581
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: not cursing, it seems it seems bizarre. And I just

582
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: I figured, if I'm gonna bring light to this pimp culture,

583
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: and my image is gonna be a pimp. I have

584
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: to like personally, I have to personally save myself and

585
00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 1: out for conversations like this, for when I'm with my

586
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: auntie and my mother and they saying that hell was

587
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 1: you saying on that song and then that kind of

588
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I listen to this song the ghetto, Auntie,

589
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: I ain't just make freaky tails. And then she goes, oh, yeah, okay, okay, okay.

590
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: Was that with intention? Though when you did it, you

591
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: said you purposely did it, but the intention behind it rather,

592
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: it's probably the question was so that you appealed to

593
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: a broader audience, so that you didn't seem disrespectful to women,

594
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: so that people knew your versatility. What was the intent?

595
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Simple in that it was because I was reporting Oakland

596
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: to you, and all of that is open. Oakland ain't

597
00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: just a pimp and a hole. Old Oakland is every

598
00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: song to show every road listen to it. That's what

599
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: That's what the spectrum is. I'm looking at the city

600
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: like an artist. If an artist whose visual is feeding

601
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: off a city, you're gonna keep seeing that city in

602
00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: that art well as a musical artist. I was feeding

603
00:33:56,120 --> 00:34:00,080
Speaker 1: off the city and you the music. I feel like

604
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Too Short because I know where

605
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: the songs came from. Like I really know that I

606
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: would be sitting in a room playing dominoes with the

607
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: homies and I'm going do Do Do Do Do Do.

608
00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: I'm kind of recording because they say the funniest ship

609
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: and the slickest ship and the craziest stories. And when

610
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,440
Speaker 1: I leave there, I'm probably gonna have something in my

611
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: head that's the the foundation of a song because they

612
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: because we laughed so much and it's just real life.

613
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:29,960
Speaker 1: Somebody come in and tell you a story about what

614
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: they just saw down the street, and I'm like, that

615
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: is a song that really happened, Like and so many

616
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: of my songs are stories I heard in Oakland and

617
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,360
Speaker 1: things I saw in open or things I just thought of,

618
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 1: thinking like what would be an Oakland scenario, and I

619
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,959
Speaker 1: just used it. Oakland has been like my music for music,

620
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,399
Speaker 1: Like when I lived in Atlanta, I was Atlanta based

621
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 1: in Atlantic for almost fifteen years. The entire time I

622
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: was in Atlanta, it was so easy for me to

623
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,759
Speaker 1: write songs because in my mind I have all this

624
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: Oakland that I can refer to and I'm just thinking,

625
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:04,480
Speaker 1: you know, and I go at the time, I was

626
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: traveling back back and forth a lot, but it was

627
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: just easy because I got the pen and paper in

628
00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: my hand, and I got nothing to say. Yeah, I

629
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: just think about OK. I could tell you a true

630
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: Story's kind of personal, but it's true. And I was

631
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: in the studio with notaries B I, G. And we're

632
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 1: making a song called um the world is filled with

633
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: Pimpson House. And on that song, Puffy comes on first,

634
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 1: and then the hook comes. It's Carl Thomas. Biggie comes on,

635
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 1: and then Carl Thomas back, and now it's my turn.

636
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: Now we had the studio, Carl Thomas has already done

637
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: his part. The hook was already on there. Ucky was

638
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: bringing us to the session to finish the song. That night,

639
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: Me and Big we're gonna record our vocals. Puffies verse

640
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: is already on there, so he's the first verse. He

641
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:09,200
Speaker 1: pushed black. Now it's too blank versus. Biggie goes in

642
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 1: the studio and like that, he lays the verse as

643
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 1: like classic mm hmm. Now everybody's laughing, smoking and they

644
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 1: look over at me. What you're gonna do? I didn't

645
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:29,280
Speaker 1: know what to do. I was like, I can't. Biggie

646
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,360
Speaker 1: didn't write his verse. He just sat around while everybody

647
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: was laughing and ship and went in there and said

648
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 1: I'm ready. And he just goes in there and wraps

649
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: his no Pin no pick some ship to him and

650
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: jay Z and they you know, they got all the

651
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: rappers with the no pen They started a no Pin ship.

652
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,320
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting there with a pen and paper that

653
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: I haven't written one word on, and I'm like, damn,

654
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 1: like I'm I'm I'm in New York. My backs up

655
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 1: against the walls pressure. So I got one person with me,

656
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,840
Speaker 1: my homie from Oakland, my homie p one person is

657
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 1: with me, and I I go confide to him and

658
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, damn, he just murdered that ship. He like.

659
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: I'm like, like, what the funk am I gonna do?

660
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 1: Like he said, listen to the song. The song says

661
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 1: the world is filled with pimps and hose. I'll just

662
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: tell you about those I know. M hm, that's what

663
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 1: the hook says. He said, neither one of them wrapped

664
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: about a pimp or a hole. Just do what the

665
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: song says, dude, I wrote the verse so fast after that,

666
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, shoot, I I got to tell you a

667
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: story about a pimp and a hold it. I know, ok.

668
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: And it just and I just easily just stepped into it.

669
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: And there's a little bit of truth to the story

670
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: I'm telling. There's a little bit of truth to the

671
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: stuff I'm talking at the end. And I got it

672
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: from Oakland. And and the reason why I say it's

673
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: a personal story because there's some people in that story.

674
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: They got mad at me. Really it's a true story. Wow,

675
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:09,919
Speaker 1: I would say, as we have it again, I didn't

676
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: name anybody's name, so that's yeah, they're kind of man okay.

677
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: As we have this conversation, um, I feel like you're

678
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: giving us And this is one thing I do love

679
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: about the people from the Bay You're giving us um

680
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: an anthology if you will, of hip hop from Oakland,

681
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: from the town from from the Bay Area. I'm giving

682
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: you a much smaller word than anthology. I'm giving you game.

683
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:39,919
Speaker 1: That's it in short, in short into short, um syllable word. Game.

684
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: You gotta hit me with your big words. I know

685
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 1: you went to school carry I might give a damn

686
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,279
Speaker 1: about your big gass words. Game ry game take your

687
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: big words and get out of here. Um. But it

688
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: is that, and it's fascinating to me, and so I

689
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to I want you to describe Northern California

690
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: hip hop versus South Southern California hip hop. But for

691
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: that matter, gangster rap versus what you did like there

692
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: is growing up here. There's a significant difference. I think, yeah,

693
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 1: it's um. Every city has its heartbeat in the rap

694
00:39:19,080 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 1: music that comes from there. The hip hop that comes

695
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: from Chicago has a very Chicago vibe, as does Detroit,

696
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: as does Houston, as does Miami, as does Atlanta. And

697
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 1: a lot of people outside of California listen to songs

698
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,880
Speaker 1: that come from Southern California rappers and songs that come

699
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 1: from Northern California rappers and they say that's West Coast

700
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: and I say to them, that's an l A song

701
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 1: And they say, what does that mean, And I'm like, yeah,

702
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: it's different than the base song. They're like, I don't

703
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,320
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about. West Coast's West Coast and

704
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, if you're from there, you kind of

705
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: know that it's different. So for one, people from outside

706
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 1: of our side of the world, they don't get the

707
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: gift of you can get in a car and go

708
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 1: from New York to Washington, d C. Faster than you

709
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: can from l A to Oakland. And they don't understand

710
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 1: that going in that car from New York to d C,

711
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: you just went through how many cities Philly? Oh yeah,

712
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: probably depending, Yeah, you're right, that's several Jersey I don't know.

713
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: Go on. So I'm saying you you you hit a

714
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: lot of little baby cultures before you get there, and

715
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: that's like, that's how far apart we are. And I

716
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 1: don't think they Yeah, and and it's um we like

717
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 1: like a big brother little brother, like first cousins or

718
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:52,680
Speaker 1: something related. I was gonna say distant cousins, but related.

719
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but you're right, I don't know what.

720
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: But from I've seen people from l A touch their

721
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,439
Speaker 1: foot on the ground in open California for the first

722
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:07,879
Speaker 1: time and go where am I correct? Am I in California?

723
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: Where it's correct? It is a culture shot that is

724
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: that much different. And then you know, looks wise, the

725
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 1: water and the bridges and then the hairstyles. You know,

726
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: l A, l A women are like what you bury

727
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 1: girls doing what y'all hair. Come on, now, I don't know,

728
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let my thing. No, I was gonna say.

729
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 1: I was gonna say the women that I know from

730
00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: the Bay all have their own hair, the very natural.

731
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: They're very laid back, or that's their their appearance in

732
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 1: which they choose to give the bad bad but they

733
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: just give a l A is a bit more, you know,

734
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 1: a little more sceny. But but when I listen, I

735
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: clearly know the difference because I grew up in southern California.

736
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: But if I'm listening, I'm hearing gigster app versus another

737
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: type of story that you just talked about. I'm just

738
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 1: giving you the history of where I'm from. There's a

739
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,319
Speaker 1: lot of blue and red in there. The blue and red,

740
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: you know, references of neighborhoods and gangs. There's a certain

741
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 1: little beat. Um. I don't necessarily want to just say

742
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: the g punk and just say it's death from Dr

743
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 1: Dre anything that, but there's a certain beat because you

744
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: can hear like some iced tea songs and a lot

745
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: of a lot of Southern California rappers like King T.

746
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people that did that sound.

747
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: DJ Quick and and you know, I love the evolution

748
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:44,879
Speaker 1: of L A rap because if you know certain little references,

749
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 1: there's a lot of references in there. If they don't

750
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 1: something some kind of boldly say and it's um it's

751
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: a hidden language that a lot of people listen to

752
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,279
Speaker 1: the music and memorize the words and still don't know

753
00:42:57,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: the true meaning of what they're saying to each other

754
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: and what they're talking about. When little little references that

755
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: only like gang related or on the street culture related

756
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 1: and like Dayton's, Like remember, everybody don't know what Dayton's are.

757
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,160
Speaker 1: They don't know the type of rim that when NWA

758
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 1: would always be like cruising down the street in my

759
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,600
Speaker 1: six fart right, it's like I feel like that' said

760
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 1: l A thing with like rims. I know that you

761
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: might have had that there, but it felt very that

762
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: beat that that famili like going down Crenshaw like on

763
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,800
Speaker 1: a Sunday and it was all the three wheel motions,

764
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:34,399
Speaker 1: all that talking about the low riders in hip hop.

765
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: L A Rappers put the low riders in the videos

766
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: from day one, and they've represented the low riders from

767
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:48,520
Speaker 1: day one in the Bay Low Riders. When Hydraulics is

768
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: Mexican culture. Mm hmm. Not it's not black culture. And

769
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,840
Speaker 1: even though some of us had ventured over and dabbled,

770
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: it's really not. It doesn't really mix. Like we we

771
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,320
Speaker 1: meet up up north, like when we go to a

772
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: car show or something, the Mexicans of the low Riders,

773
00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 1: the black dudes, we were having like high performance and

774
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: like different kind of old schools, same old school love,

775
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: but just fix them up different. We meet up because

776
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,359
Speaker 1: we all go for the booming sound system and it's

777
00:44:15,680 --> 00:44:18,520
Speaker 1: it's the same, but we're not really into like hydraulics

778
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: and stuff. And then as as Northern California rappers, we

779
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 1: respect that, but you don't see um, a lot of

780
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: North can rappers like hitting switches that never no, no,

781
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: it's it's totally that's a difference. Um yeah, I mean

782
00:44:37,160 --> 00:44:42,880
Speaker 1: the same thing. The slang is like dremally different. Use

783
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: we and we use different words and we um and

784
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: we uh. It's different. I don't know, it's just different.

785
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: It's different, and and it's so different that as soon

786
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 1: as you hear a song to this day, so you know,

787
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: us older cats, we don't really instantly identify everything new

788
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: and hip hop. It's not like instant Oh oh yeah,

789
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:09,000
Speaker 1: that's that's so and so you know, so I'm not

790
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: even really trying to most of the time. I wasn't

791
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: even really trying to do that back in the day.

792
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 1: I just listen to music, but I like it. I

793
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: like it. I don't, I don't, but I can still

794
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 1: to this day listen and I'm listening. I'm like, my

795
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: dj um he's really like in everything. So he's like

796
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: he got the files on everything. He got everybody, you know,

797
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 1: every song. So he'll be playing, should be riding in

798
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,880
Speaker 1: the car, you know, out on the road doing shows

799
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: or something, and I'm like I'm listening. I'm like, I'm like,

800
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: we're homing from you from l A and like yeah,

801
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: I'm like I could hear it. And I'm like another song,

802
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,839
Speaker 1: come on, I'm like, who's at a new little honey?

803
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 1: Like yeah, he knew like from the bank where he

804
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: had from the Bay. I can hear everything he's saying.

805
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: It's certain way he talks in a certain lingo he

806
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 1: uses is from the Bay. And then the production, the

807
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 1: way the beat sounds. We crossed the line and kind

808
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 1: of bite each other's styles from time to time, but

809
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 1: he still could tell if you pay, Like, if people

810
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: really gave it a chance, you could tell. So I

811
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: think even I was like, you use the female reference,

812
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: the guide reference. I can tell a dude from the

813
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: Bay versus a dude from l A, like right away.

814
00:46:12,920 --> 00:46:15,960
Speaker 1: You know how we move, how we talk, how we think,

815
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,759
Speaker 1: what we think is important. You know what I mean?

816
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: Area male rappers are stuck on reminding you that we

817
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,600
Speaker 1: are not going to trick on you. M They've got

818
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 1: so many ways to refer to I ain't tricking, I

819
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:34,319
Speaker 1: ain't tricking that. We love to say we're not triggering. Um.

820
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: L A rappers always slipped that little gang culture. They

821
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: always throw a little reference, oh good, Like you wouldn't

822
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:45,480
Speaker 1: even know what good. You know what that means if

823
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: you're not from the culture. Yeah, I okay, So I

824
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: asked you this because there was a debate happening. Now

825
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,440
Speaker 1: I get your opinion on it was someone left out

826
00:46:55,920 --> 00:47:00,120
Speaker 1: in the super Bowl and the super Bowl performance the

827
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: old hip hop, which I thought really felt very South Central,

828
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: very gangster rappidsh to me right, and Dre's affiliates that

829
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: really did good. The game had an album that's sold

830
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,799
Speaker 1: five million copies, the first one, but you know game,

831
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: you like to step on toes and lots, So I

832
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know where him and Dre are

833
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 1: in the love and and you know love and hip

834
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: hop fan? Do you think he Do you think he

835
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: should have been there? Because that's where I was going

836
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 1: The conversation is where's the game? He should have at

837
00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 1: least had one. No, Uh, well, you said if somebody

838
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 1: weren't there? Who wasn't I said the game because he

839
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: had a five times platinum album that Dr Drake produced.

840
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 1: But I think that maybe Dre was just going on

841
00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: I don't know relationships. I don't know, man, I don't know.

842
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:48,880
Speaker 1: I don't know where they're staying. So yeah, no, and

843
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: then I don't want to get into relationships that that's that.

844
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 1: But I had a little moment with um Quickie with

845
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 1: like the dog Pound or that's what I'm saying. Did

846
00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 1: you feel like and what correct? I'm like, wait, do

847
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: we miss the dog Pound? Was Dads and Corrupt supposed

848
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,239
Speaker 1: to be there? Do we want do we think the

849
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 1: game should have been there? Is there another Is there

850
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 1: somebody else who was quintessential to this hip hop game

851
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,719
Speaker 1: that Dre has affiliations with that should have actually been

852
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:17,719
Speaker 1: there to represent l A. The most that I hear

853
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 1: consistently is dog Pound and the game. Yeah, but hesistently

854
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: he could have. I mean, Dre has so many classics.

855
00:48:28,200 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: He could have did a whole halftime concert that was

856
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 1: thirty minutes and we would have loved it, you know.

857
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: So I think he dealt with it the way with

858
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 1: how much time he got, it was perfect. Um. The

859
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 1: next tier of guys that didn't make it, it just

860
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 1: I mean, just look who you didn't make the cut with.

861
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: You know fIF here. You know what I'm saying, you

862
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 1: can't know the game. The game went on, I am

863
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: athlete and said, which is another podcast that Brandon Marshall,

864
00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: former NFL player, has I said he felt left out

865
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: and it hurt his feelings. But you're right, like who

866
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,640
Speaker 1: he Dre? You know, he's at the top, he's on

867
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,320
Speaker 1: my rushmore so he had so many like you do

868
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: have to make I'm sure that was the conversation who

869
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: who won't make it? But I was thinking that too.

870
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: I was thinking that's left left out. I had left out.

871
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 1: I mean, why are you keeping it? And I was like,

872
00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: well is it? In my mind, I was like, well

873
00:49:31,160 --> 00:49:34,279
Speaker 1: is it just southern California. Just but I'm like, no,

874
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 1: because Eminem was there, right, fifty was there. So I'm

875
00:49:37,440 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: all like, I don't understand. Excu forty have a group

876
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:45,439
Speaker 1: called out Westmore, so it makes it right, I cub

877
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: and forty all said to Snoop, Uh, why do you

878
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: ain't bringing out Westmore to super boat ice Cube? Right?

879
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: And I know there there Beef his legendary, but they're

880
00:49:55,600 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 1: still the same, right is Cuban dre our homies made

881
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:02,520
Speaker 1: made a movie together called straight Out Accounting their Homeless.

882
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: So then why wasn't he there? I'm just saying it.

883
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: It was the the what he put together was a

884
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 1: dope show. What he could have did was it could

885
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,839
Speaker 1: have been a lot more, you know, but he did

886
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: it good. I enjoyed it. I just had to have

887
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: to ask you that question. I want to get your

888
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,359
Speaker 1: take on it. Now. That's the that's the right. It's

889
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,799
Speaker 1: like a top five. When you create a top five,

890
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,800
Speaker 1: you always got to leave somebody out. That's in sports.

891
00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: In our world, if you want to start an argument,

892
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 1: you do the geneer conversation of giving me your top five. Yeah,

893
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 1: because um ary, no such thing. Why because when you

894
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 1: start going make me a list, you gotta account for

895
00:50:47,680 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: a lot of of variables that could have, would have

896
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 1: should have from year to year, era to error, regional region, rules, regulations.

897
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 1: It's just too many things to factor in. And then

898
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 1: you can't tell me that you know like them, Like

899
00:51:07,640 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: Rolling Stone keeps doing these long ass lists of like

900
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,719
Speaker 1: Be's albums best. I'm like, who is the judge? Like

901
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 1: that's always that's always a question too, where just lists

902
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: come from? Because this ain't my list. It's not my list.

903
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: So lists irritate people and it makes you mad because

904
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: you're right, you don't count. You're like, well, what do

905
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: you mean when we say top five, or even if

906
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: we say Lebron versus m J Right, somebody will be like,

907
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,239
Speaker 1: well what about this? And he had that and they

908
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: played differently, or they did this differently, or he only

909
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:38,920
Speaker 1: had this many chips. That's the answer. The answer is

910
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: how many chips do you have that determines who's the goat?

911
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,359
Speaker 1: And I agree with you, like, you can't, you can't.

912
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: Everyone everyone is that that list will be subjective. So

913
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: with that being said, I'm gonna start how I began this.

914
00:51:52,760 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: I'm gonna if I'm gonna pick up where I began

915
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 1: this conversation and talking about the evolution of one too short.

916
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:04,719
Speaker 1: You have eighties, nineties, two thousand's, two tens, two twenties,

917
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:08,919
Speaker 1: still thriving, still moving, and I had and I asked

918
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,760
Speaker 1: the forty this too. What is it You talk about

919
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:16,359
Speaker 1: the industry evolving and understanding, but as are you? Why

920
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: why are they just now? Not even just? But if

921
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: we look look are you performing uh a Golden State

922
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: Warriors game? Why is it just now? Right? I think, um,

923
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 1: in the case of me and forty and even you know,

924
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:38,120
Speaker 1: guys like Slip Slipping and Cube, we're icons now we're

925
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 1: no longer recording artists. And no matter how many shows

926
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 1: we do, on how many future problems we put out,

927
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 1: icon status is locked in. It's locked in. And when

928
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,640
Speaker 1: you take your icons and you talk about I mean,

929
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 1: we can go down the list of athletes and entertainers

930
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,359
Speaker 1: who we get of icon status. You're in your latest hit,

931
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: no longer matters, You're my guy forever. Mm hm. A

932
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of them don't do iconic things after they received

933
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,319
Speaker 1: icon status. Like you get your status and that's your

934
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:17,560
Speaker 1: body of work, that's it. That's how many home runs

935
00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:19,840
Speaker 1: you hit. That's how many chips you on. That's how

936
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: many fights you want, That's how many your icon. But

937
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:26,919
Speaker 1: we're the kind of icons who keep building on, keep going,

938
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: keep going. I'm still doing shows, I'm still recording, you

939
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I'm not in the house sitting

940
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 1: on the porch and a rocking chair telling stories about

941
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: my first tour, not doing that. So I think you know,

942
00:53:40,120 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: guys like us, ice Cube is rich. He's in the

943
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:48,360
Speaker 1: studio songs, going on tour like you ain't gotta go

944
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:52,240
Speaker 1: on tour. He's doing it because he loves it. But literally,

945
00:53:52,560 --> 00:53:55,560
Speaker 1: ice Cube says, I'm having fun. We're in the middle

946
00:53:55,560 --> 00:53:57,640
Speaker 1: of a show on stage, crowd after He's like, this

947
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 1: is fun. So oh, I'm just saying, to be that age,

948
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,440
Speaker 1: to be that age and too to feel that way

949
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 1: about your craft. M h. I mean like you got

950
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: some time in basketball that if they weren't coaching, they

951
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: would be like miserable because they want to be a

952
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: part of the game. I've heard guys say just being commentators,

953
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,360
Speaker 1: like man, I just want to be in the building.

954
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,719
Speaker 1: That's what I'm doing, what I'm doing. I don't want

955
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:32,520
Speaker 1: to be away from the game. That put that same

956
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,400
Speaker 1: phrase in too short, the same word I want to

957
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:38,439
Speaker 1: be in the building. I want to be around the game.

958
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,560
Speaker 1: Put that in too short, put in open California, put

959
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:45,800
Speaker 1: it in the pend. I just want to be in

960
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: the building. You know, I don't want to be around

961
00:54:47,680 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: the game. You know, it's the same thing. I ain't

962
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 1: nothing but a Hall of Fame NBA player. You know,

963
00:54:55,080 --> 00:54:57,959
Speaker 1: for sure, balls want to be rappers. Rappers wanna be baller.

964
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,520
Speaker 1: It's very equivalent, right that. The businesses very much the

965
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: same in that way. Um, I was an NBA player

966
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: and I ended up being a head coach. This is

967
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,839
Speaker 1: where I'm at now. I'll be happy. I'd be happy

968
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: to get out there practice with my guys and still

969
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 1: shoots moose and you know what I mean, it feels good.

970
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:19,359
Speaker 1: What NBA player is the equivalent of too short? Uh.

971
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:25,719
Speaker 1: Anybody who played those uh, you know Lebron seasons, Man,

972
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,480
Speaker 1: those seasons, I'm not I'm not. I'm not a Lebron type,

973
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: you know. Because he's like a hybrid human and we

974
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: probably gonna find out in the future that he was

975
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: the first prototype women half robot. Like he just didn't

976
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: tell us, but give me a name. I'm trying to

977
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 1: think that the career that you've had, who who reminds

978
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 1: you of you in terms of what you've been able

979
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: to accomplish and what they've been able to accomplishing sound

980
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: like a Vince Carter like you never have to be

981
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,160
Speaker 1: you don't gotta be m J. But every time you

982
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,800
Speaker 1: do it, they go oh. And every time you hanging

983
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:05,720
Speaker 1: that rim with that elbow, you look down at everybody

984
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: and say like, and you don't have to ever ever

985
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: walk in the room and tell people what you did,

986
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,920
Speaker 1: because there are other people are gonna talk about you

987
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:21,200
Speaker 1: and they already know. And then I've never seen Vince

988
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,320
Speaker 1: Carter brag ever, he don't need to. I'm brag on

989
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:30,560
Speaker 1: you don't need Yeah, So that's that's my kind of guy.

990
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:34,919
Speaker 1: How many seasons did he do? He did? Okay, Yeah,

991
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. That's like and and could have

992
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: still played again, could have continued to play. He's like,

993
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 1: it's just time I'm gonna do some TV now. Yeah.

994
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,480
Speaker 1: So that's my kind of guy. Yeah, I love that.

995
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: What do you have uh going? I know you mentioned

996
00:56:49,640 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 1: Mount Westmore. We know that's an iconic group. They can

997
00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:54,120
Speaker 1: check you guys out before you talked about it. I

998
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:56,759
Speaker 1: love the idea of y'all they're still being like, it's fine,

999
00:56:56,800 --> 00:57:00,160
Speaker 1: we're getting it. What about music for you? What are

1000
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,719
Speaker 1: you working on? Well? The quarantine was a beautiful thing

1001
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,520
Speaker 1: in terms of recording music. I recorded not only to

1002
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:09,000
Speaker 1: Mount Westmore albums. I also recorded two solo albums, and

1003
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: as we speak, my guys in the room two rooms

1004
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: over in the studio, master and album number two ALB

1005
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: number one is already ready and about to be released.

1006
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna drop the two albums really fast because I

1007
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: don't have this brand plan of spreading them out and

1008
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: doing I'm just it's like a now thing. Matt Westmore

1009
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:27,680
Speaker 1: is coming out. I'm gonna drop a couple of albums

1010
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:29,440
Speaker 1: before they is gonna drop some stuff, and we're just

1011
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 1: we're just making that statement like hip hop, who said

1012
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: I can't? Who told me I can't? You know what

1013
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I'm walking out in front of like sold

1014
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: out arenas and I'm thinking to myself, I did this

1015
00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,880
Speaker 1: when I was twenty mm hmm. I was twenty years old,

1016
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: like thirty six years ago, m hm, and I was

1017
00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:54,160
Speaker 1: doing the same thing. I was fourteen years old. I

1018
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 1: was on a microphone rapping next to the DJ, trying

1019
00:57:57,200 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 1: to rock the crowd. I'm still doing the same thing.

1020
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,880
Speaker 1: I'm rapping on stage the DJs right there, the same

1021
00:58:03,080 --> 00:58:06,480
Speaker 1: thing forty years later. So I'm out there looking at

1022
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 1: the crowd, going this is a blessing, like this is

1023
00:58:10,200 --> 00:58:14,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, I had enough of this a long time ago.

1024
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,560
Speaker 1: I had I had my more than my share, and

1025
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna get me more. I'm like, just wow, Wow,

1026
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: the music sounds good. I refused to make music that

1027
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: doesn't sound good. Even though hip hop does have its um,

1028
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 1: it does have its ages um. The older rappers don't

1029
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,200
Speaker 1: want to give respect to the younger rappers. But at

1030
00:58:37,240 --> 00:58:41,200
Speaker 1: the same time, the industry, the mainstream hip hop industry,

1031
00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 1: doesn't want to give any play the older artist, So

1032
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:46,440
Speaker 1: so that hate is all over the place, and the

1033
00:58:46,480 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 1: agism it's cool, it's it's it's all right with me

1034
00:58:49,440 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: because status, it doesn't matter what your last hit was.

1035
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 1: The phone never stopped ringing. UM. You're looking with the

1036
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 1: videos that have been going viral lately, the O g

1037
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 1: frat news that's step into two sharp blottal whistle. You

1038
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying and go viral. It's like your

1039
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:14,640
Speaker 1: places you it's solidified. Correct. You said several things right

1040
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 1: that I find super inspirational. That that in my mind,

1041
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, this is what's next. One was at

1042
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: the beginning, you were like, there was a dream that

1043
00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: didn't seem realize, so you did it on your own.

1044
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: That in itself is a bar that anyone who's listening

1045
00:59:27,320 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 1: should think about. It didn't seem like you wanted to

1046
00:59:29,720 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 1: help it. It was there, So I went in. I

1047
00:59:31,640 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: went out and got it. It didn't even reable by

1048
00:59:34,800 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: going and asking people for it. Yeah, so you went

1049
00:59:37,520 --> 00:59:39,880
Speaker 1: out and got it. I'm gonna do it myself. Then

1050
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna ask you for it. I won't let

1051
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: you determine my worth and my value. I'll figure that

1052
00:59:43,720 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: out on my own. Then it was the true story

1053
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: icon status, like I'm here and I'm still hustling, and

1054
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,880
Speaker 1: it is a fact, and the Vince Carter of I

1055
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: don't have to brag about it. You already know about it.

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Speaker 1: Someone will else will tell you about it Like that,

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Speaker 1: to me, in itself, is a beautiful thing. When you

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01:00:04,600 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: look back on your career and the career you currently

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01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:10,200
Speaker 1: have and what you still the possibilities that are endless.

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01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:13,040
Speaker 1: You in an ageless business that tries to tell you

1061
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: you can't, and you're still saying I can. I started hustling.

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01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna figure this out no matter what. So all

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01:00:19,120 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: of that for me, whether you knew it or not,

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01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,919
Speaker 1: really speaks to my spirit. I appreciate you. You've given

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Speaker 1: me more than enough time. And you know I'm a

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Speaker 1: huge fan. Not only and I say this to your face,

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01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:33,560
Speaker 1: but you're a solid human like you're not on any

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01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: other I'm just a good dude. I'm by myself, I wrote,

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: by myself. I'm hella easy. We want to sit and talk,

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:41,040
Speaker 1: you wanna have some lunch. Just a good human and

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01:00:41,080 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 1: there are very few people who have that, especially in

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Speaker 1: this business than you think industry. That is one of

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01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:54,160
Speaker 1: the main ingredients of longevity in the entertainment industry is

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01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,600
Speaker 1: the part where the people kind of miss and it's

1075
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: like you gotta be real, like you're gonna let you

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01:00:59,880 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 1: come me here and acting for ten and you know,

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01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: love you, love you. But when that little routine is

1078
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: not hot no more, it's like, see you just be yourself.

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Speaker 1: And Bill Bridges what you've done too Short, ladies and gentlemen.

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01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 1: Un Naked, I literally made this whole conversation about hip

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01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:17,040
Speaker 1: hop in the in the game the Game of hip

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01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:19,320
Speaker 1: Hop from Oakland, and you're like, um, I thought we

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01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: were talking about I was like, no, you gave me

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Speaker 1: education today. Thank you for joining us. I know you

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Speaker 1: have to go an you know, thank you, thank you,

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01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:38,680
Speaker 1: thank you. Um. I do love too Short. Hopefully he

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Speaker 1: will perform one day for me at a birthday party

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01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:44,520
Speaker 1: or a party in general. Private party though, because it's

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01:01:44,560 --> 01:01:47,760
Speaker 1: the type of music that everybody can't really be around.

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01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll do me a favor. Hook your girl up,

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Speaker 1: give me a discount anyway. UM, thank you guys for listening.

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Speaker 1: I really do appreciate it. And remember, please continue to

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01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,439
Speaker 1: talk about Griner. Please make sure that you know what's

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01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,920
Speaker 1: going on. You understand all sides. You understand it is

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01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,240
Speaker 1: extremely complicated, and whether she was right or whether she

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01:02:10,400 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 1: was wrong, the right thing to do is to bring

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Speaker 1: her back home. Thanks for listening to Naked. I appreciate y'all.