1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:00,880 Speaker 1: Can't. 2 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 2: I am six forty. You're listening to the John Cobelt 3 00:00:03,720 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 2: podcast on the iHeartRadio app. We're here every day from 4 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: one till four, and after four o'clock we put out 5 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: the podcast same as the radio show case You missed stuff, 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 2: John Cobelt's show on demand on the iHeart app. Already 7 00:00:18,640 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 2: you've missed some good stuff. We had Kevin Kylie on. 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: He found out where millions, some of the millions of 9 00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 2: dollars went from the fire aid money that the musicians 10 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:33,280 Speaker 2: and celebrities raised. Yes, no, not all of it went 11 00:00:33,320 --> 00:00:38,880 Speaker 2: to UH fire victims a lot. Well, some of it 12 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:43,159 Speaker 2: went to fungus prevention. You know that, really some of 13 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: your fire went to fungus prevention. I'm not making this 14 00:00:49,000 --> 00:00:52,879 Speaker 2: up anyway. That's on the podcast so you can download 15 00:00:52,920 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: it after four o'clock. Now we turn to UH someone 16 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 2: who I've seen pop up on my xpeed more and more, 17 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 2: Amy Reikerts. She's an internet journalist, and you've heard now 18 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,280 Speaker 2: for the last couple of months all the fraud going 19 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 2: on in Minneapolis and Minnesota as a whole, the daycare fraud, 20 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 2: billions of dollars, potentially with the governor actively enabling all 21 00:01:26,319 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 2: this fraud. He didn't want to upset the Somalis. Looks 22 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: like there's some of this daycare fraud going on in 23 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 2: San Diego that Amy has discovered. Amy, how are you good? 24 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 3: Great to be here? 25 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: What did you find out in your research here? 26 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: Well, just like in Minnesota and Nick Shirley went to 27 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 3: those daycare centers and there were no kids there. I 28 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 3: started digging through state records and inspector report after inspector 29 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 3: report showed that there were no kids at these places. 30 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: It was in the state reports themselves. They had they 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 2: had sent oh, they had sent an inspector there and 32 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: the guy couldn't find anybody. 33 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 3: That's right, during normal business hours finding ghost daycares after care. Basically, 34 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,520 Speaker 3: what the reports look like is it'll tell you how 35 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 3: many children are enrolled and how many children were actually 36 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 3: there when the inspector showed up. And on many of 37 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: these occasions, what the inspector found was no students, but 38 00:02:29,000 --> 00:02:32,160 Speaker 3: the owners of the daycare had their child there and 39 00:02:32,200 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 3: that was it. 40 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:41,960 Speaker 2: One example is Shakuri Family Childcare and they found well, 41 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: first of all, the sleep logs were missing. I guess 42 00:02:44,560 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: that's that's where are they sleepover places or what are 43 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 2: sleep logs? Exactly? 44 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: Those are just for infants. Oh oh, they're supposed to 45 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:55,239 Speaker 3: check on infants every fifteen minutes. 46 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,960 Speaker 2: Oh okay, And so there was there was I guess 47 00:02:57,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: all the inspection lines were blank. 48 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, they were missing infant logs, sleep logs. They were 49 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 3: also missing actual enrollment forms for students that they were 50 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,480 Speaker 3: actually real, and they were missing sign up sheets and 51 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 3: emergency contact information for parents. It's pretty dad. 52 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, eight enrolled children, but none of them present during 53 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 2: the normal business hours. 54 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,760 Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you look at the potential for fraud 55 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: here with being subsidized by Gavin Newsom, Well, if you 56 00:03:34,160 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 3: run a daycare for eight kids and none of them 57 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: are there, but you're charging the government for their being 58 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 3: there but they're not, you could make one hundred thousand 59 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,640 Speaker 3: dollars a year of eight ghost kids. 60 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: Eight kids could bring you one hundred thousand dollars in 61 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:54,120 Speaker 2: state childcare money. 62 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: That's correct for full time care. 63 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 2: Because he's constantly caring on about how we need more 64 00:04:03,080 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 2: daycare money for working parents, we need more childcare funding, 65 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:11,000 Speaker 2: but the funding that they are sending out is being stolen. 66 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:19,880 Speaker 3: He wants to socialize childcare in California school's parent fleeing 67 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 3: California Right for a better life, and so enrollment is declining. 68 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: Basically wants to move into the childcare business. He wants 69 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: that money. He just basically wants to recycle that state 70 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 3: money and give it to his buddies. So that's his 71 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 3: whole plan. 72 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 2: Do you have a sense yet of how widespread this is, 73 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 2: like how many daycare centers are fake and how much 74 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 2: money it's costing the state. 75 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 3: So just in the past seventy two hours alone, just 76 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 3: going through report alphabetically. By the way, I'm not concentrating 77 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 3: on any particular ethnic group. It's all alphabetical. I would say, 78 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: so far twenty percent of the ones that I'm finding 79 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 3: are showing no kids in there. 80 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 2: Right, So you can see all the records online. This 81 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 2: is the states This is the state's record keeping. 82 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 3: Oh, we'll get this as of this morning, and this 83 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 3: came from the Governor's office. Several fields so that you 84 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,400 Speaker 3: can actually search as a member of the public have 85 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 3: been disabled. So he is protecting these ghost daycares. 86 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 2: Is that right, all of a sudden that the data 87 00:05:31,680 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: is not available. 88 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:34,360 Speaker 3: It's right? 89 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Wow, have you gone to any of these daycare 90 00:05:38,560 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 2: centers to see if they physically exist or if they're 91 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: empty like the ones in Minnesota. 92 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,760 Speaker 3: It's really shocking. Some of these places are in one 93 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 3: bedroom apartments, so you can imagine a place that's licensed 94 00:05:55,760 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 3: for eight kids in one bedroom. It's outrageous. Aren't in 95 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: a strip mall somewhere? 96 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 2: Seriously? So all you have to do is fill up 97 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: a form, give your home address, claim you have eight kids. Boom, 98 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 2: you've just made one hundred thousand dollars and you never 99 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,799 Speaker 2: have to care for a child for a single minute. 100 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 2: You just wait for the checks to come through the system. 101 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 3: And parents are in on it. By the way, there 102 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 3: was a federal case in San Diego last year where 103 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 3: a gentleman who is Somali. He was convicted of childcare 104 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 3: fraud and he's now serving twenty seven months. He has 105 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 3: to pay back three point seven million dollars and he 106 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 3: had an arrangement with parents where parents would give their 107 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 3: information to the childcare provider and in exchange, he would 108 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 3: give them a kickback. 109 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:53,400 Speaker 2: All right, So you've gone through a number of these 110 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: childcare centers online the state's records, and you say, so far, 111 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 2: you found about twenty percent don't have anybody on their paperwork. 112 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,119 Speaker 2: If you extrapolated how many daycare centers across the state 113 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 2: might be fake, you know, I. 114 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 3: Know at least there's four thousand of these centers here, 115 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 3: and the subject matter experts in the industry are telling 116 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: me that in San Diego County alone, we could be 117 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 3: talking about a potential for half a billion in fraud 118 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 3: in San Diego County alone, just right across the state. 119 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:31,559 Speaker 3: It's bad. 120 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 2: Well, I figure if they ran up nine billion dollars 121 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 2: in fraud just in Minnesota, that California would be easily 122 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:43,200 Speaker 2: in the hundreds of billions of dollars. So it doesn't 123 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,000 Speaker 2: surprise me that San Diego, a long, just in the 124 00:07:46,040 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: daycare sector might be a half a billion. Has anybody 125 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:54,040 Speaker 2: in government outside of disabling your access to the public records, 126 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: anybody in government gotten in contact with you try to 127 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 2: explain this. Have you talked to anybody who alleged is 128 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 2: running these scam operations? 129 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 3: So the non government organizations in county by county in California, 130 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,080 Speaker 3: they are hiding this information. So the money flow is 131 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: like this. California pays the subsidies to nonprofits at the 132 00:08:19,320 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: county level and then they are the ones that disperse 133 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 3: the funds to the childcare providers. And so these NGOs, 134 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: they have budgets that are in the hundreds of millions 135 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 3: of dollars and it's mostly from the government. And when 136 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 3: I asked for the records of how much they're paying 137 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: these places that I've found, they've told me to basically 138 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 3: go pound sand because I can't Public Record Act request 139 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 3: them because they're nonprofit. 140 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: Okay, So it's state money going to county agencies, county 141 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 2: government agencies, which in turns nonprofit send it to nonprofit agencies. 142 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 2: Or is it the state or is it the state 143 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 2: money going direct lead to the nonprofit agencies? 144 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 3: Correct? 145 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 2: It's that okay, state money to nonprofit agencies, and the 146 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: nonprofits say, get out of here. We don't have to 147 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 2: show you anything. We're not government. 148 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: Correct. 149 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: Pretty clever. I could see how it works. 150 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: That's how they do the homeless industrial complex too. 151 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 2: Oh, I know. 152 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 3: That's why auditors can't find any money because it's toes 153 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: through these nonprofits and you can't do a public records 154 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 3: a request. 155 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:30,559 Speaker 2: That's right, And that's where Newsom thirty seven billion dollars disappeared. 156 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 2: That's where the billions here in LA have disappeared into 157 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: these nonprofits that can't be policed and that you can't 158 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 2: access the records to. 159 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 3: And they want more money from us. 160 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all falling into place. Well, Amy Reikert, thank 161 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 2: you very much, great work, and if you find out 162 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:47,599 Speaker 2: more stuff let us know. 163 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,119 Speaker 3: Okay, Thanks Sean. 164 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 2: All right, we'll talk to you again. It's Amy Reikert, 165 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 2: who's an independent journalist down in San Diego. And I'm 166 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,680 Speaker 2: telling you the independent journalists are the ones finding out 167 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 2: all the truth. Finally, you don't need network news operations 168 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 2: with hundreds and hundreds of employees. Don't start sobbing when 169 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 2: they lay off hundreds at the major networks or at 170 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 2: the major newspapers. They never found any of this stuff. 171 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: Looking Nick Shirley up up in Minneapolis. By the way, 172 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 2: his reporting still stands. He found one hundred and ten 173 00:10:21,520 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 2: million dollars worth of fraud at Minnesota daycare centers in 174 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 2: one day. And all he did he had a rental 175 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 2: car and a phone and a selfie stick. One hundred 176 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 2: and ten million dollars in fraud. Must be must have 177 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: been right, because Tim Waltz dropped out of his re 178 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 2: election race and the San Diego stuff. This is interesting, 179 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 2: and then Newsom disables access to the records. Oh all right, 180 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: anybody at the traditional media outlet's interested in this story now? Huh? 181 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: All right? Maybe you guys are the car chase tonight 182 00:10:58,160 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 2: to run. 183 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 4: You're listening to you John Cobelt on demand from KFI 184 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 4: AM six forty. 185 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 2: John Cobelts Show. 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We just had 196 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,199 Speaker 2: on Amy Reiker, she's an internet journalist down in San Diego, 197 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 2: and just by going online and looking at state documentary, 198 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 2: they pay out millions and millions of dollars to fake 199 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 2: childcare companies who don't actually have children that they're caring for. 200 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 2: And you can tell you look at the forums that 201 00:12:13,120 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 2: are filled out, and if it's an infant childcare facility, 202 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 2: you have to fill out sleep logs. You have to 203 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 2: check on them every fifteen minutes, see how they're doing. Well. 204 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:31,319 Speaker 2: She looked at the logs like, here's one Shakuri Family Childcare. 205 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 2: There's nobody. There's nobody sleeping because there's nobody there, and 206 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 2: there was no inspections done well, there was no checks 207 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 2: done by the staff. Now the state inspectors found the violations. 208 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 2: Supposedly there were eight enarrelled children, but none of those 209 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,719 Speaker 2: children were present during normal business hours. And according to 210 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,439 Speaker 2: Amy Reikert, whoever's running that facility can make one hundred 211 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year for eight non existing children. This 212 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: is the Minneapolis situation all over again. And I mentioned 213 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 2: this is all over the state and all over the country. 214 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: But the fraud is especially prevalent when you have idiot 215 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 2: governors like Tim Waltz and Gavin Newsom. Now jd Vance 216 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: ran against Tim Waltz. You remember they had a vice 217 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: presidential debate, and he may be running against Gavin Newsom 218 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 2: for president. He went on Fox News Jesse Waters and 219 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: talked with Waters about how the Trump administration is going 220 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,640 Speaker 2: to go after Dosome now to investigate the fraud we 221 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 2: have here in California. 222 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 5: Gavin Newsom, he says, you guys want to come look 223 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 5: at California. 224 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: Bring it on. Yeah, well we will. 225 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 6: We appreciate that invitation, Gavin, and we are going to 226 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 6: accept that invitation because look, California, more than almost any 227 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:01,200 Speaker 6: other state, has been so glaring and obvious about the 228 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 6: fact that they're giving welfare benefits to illegal aliens, Like 229 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 6: that's not You go to the California Medicaid website and 230 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,440 Speaker 6: they will advertise that they are spending American tax dollars 231 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 6: to give medicaid to illegal aliens. You think there's not 232 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 6: fraud there, You think there are people who are creating 233 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 6: fraudulent doctors' offices, fraudulent payment schemes. 234 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: There are. 235 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 6: They're getting rich off of the generosity the American taxpayer. 236 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 6: The political corruption that enables it has got to stop. 237 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 6: And that's what we're focused on. 238 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: You want your money going for that, you're working all day, 239 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 2: you want to be you want your tax money. Bet 240 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 2: enough you get taxed, but maybe if you got something 241 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 2: back instead illegal alien healthcare. Except wait, the illegal aliens 242 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,080 Speaker 2: aren't even getting the money. It's going to fraudulent doctors 243 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: and fraudulent medical officers like this, these fraudulent childcare centers. 244 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 2: The illegal aliens aren't even getting your money. They're going 245 00:14:55,680 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: to the fraudsters, the middlemen. Isn't that a cack huh 246 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,120 Speaker 2: geez one thing that they steal your tax money, but 247 00:15:04,160 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: then they steal your tax money and spend it on 248 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: legal aliens. No, they steal your money and spend it 249 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 2: on fake nonprofits who are not servicing the illegal aliens. Wow, 250 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 2: that's three strikes right there. Then Vance went on when 251 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 2: Jesse Waters proposed a question, would you rather run against 252 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 2: Newsom or Kamala Harris? 253 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: Gavin and Kamala are on a collision course. 254 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:31,760 Speaker 2: Yes, who's going to win? 255 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 6: The dumbest candidate will probably win. 256 00:15:34,480 --> 00:15:35,680 Speaker 4: That's my guess with. 257 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: The Democratic Party. 258 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 6: I mean, look at the Democrats have a couple of 259 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 6: big issues, and one is that they lean so far 260 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 6: into wokeism that they can't see the obviousness of the fact, 261 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 6: which is that Kamala Harris is not qualified to be 262 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 6: president of. 263 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:48,600 Speaker 2: The United States. 264 00:15:48,760 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 6: That's why she got the vice presidential nomination. That's why 265 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:55,120 Speaker 6: she got the presidential nomination. This is who Kamala Harris 266 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 6: is now. The flip side is I think you have 267 00:15:57,200 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 6: a unbelievably corrupt and incompetent go and Gavin Newsom. The 268 00:16:01,840 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 6: fact that those are the two front runners just suggest 269 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 6: how deeply deranged the Democrat Party is. Let them fight 270 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 6: it out, We'll figure it out. 271 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 4: May the dumbest candidate win, the dumbest candidate. 272 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:17,000 Speaker 2: Win, that's fascinating. Who which one is dumber? I mean 273 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 2: he admitted to a nine to sixty SAT score, which 274 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: I went online. You go on, you go on like 275 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 2: chet GPT or something, and it estimated his IQ was 276 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 2: probably in the range of ninety three to ninety seven 277 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 2: based on that nine to sixty score. And I'll go 278 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: with ninety three just based on his governing California for 279 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,400 Speaker 2: seven years. He's a bum. If he's ninety three, What 280 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 2: do you think Kamala Harris is eighty six? I mean, 281 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 2: it's below average. The average range for IQ is like 282 00:16:54,920 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 2: ninety to one hundred and ten, and actually the dead 283 00:16:58,880 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 2: center of that is ninety seven on their scale but 284 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,600 Speaker 2: you get below ninety, that's considered below average. So Newsom 285 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,919 Speaker 2: is low average at ninety three. Kennill, is it smarter 286 00:17:11,080 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 2: than he is? You know, I think she's I think 287 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: she's stupider I do. I think she's at eighty six. 288 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 2: I mean maybe eighty No, not eighty eight, eighty six, 289 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 2: ninety three eighty six. That's like a bad basketball game, 290 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 2: isn't it. Or a good one from the nineties, I 291 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:32,679 Speaker 2: guess right? Yeah? Or a great defensive battle like they 292 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 2: used when they used to play defense. Yeah, all right, 293 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,119 Speaker 2: let's see. God, we got so much we're doing today. 294 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 2: What's next? Tell me what's next? Oh, Alex Stone, Yes, 295 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 2: and this is oh Nick Dick Reiner story about Alan Jackson, 296 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 2: the attorney dropping out. 297 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on Demand from KFI Am 298 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 4: six forty. 299 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 2: We're on every day from one until four o'clock. We 300 00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: have had a lot this first half of the show, 301 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: and if you missed it, you go to the podcast. 302 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 2: We are going to release it after four and it's 303 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,560 Speaker 2: John Cobelt on demand on the iHeart app and you 304 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:13,359 Speaker 2: can listen to everything that you missed. We are going 305 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 2: to talk now with Alex Stone ABC News. Nick Reiner's attorney, 306 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 2: Alan Jackson, defense attorney to celebrities, has won high profile cases, 307 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: and he took over Reiner's case and now he's gone, 308 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:33,160 Speaker 2: not saying why, and things are postponed for about six 309 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: weeks and Reiner is going to be reduced to a 310 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,959 Speaker 2: deputy public defender. Let's get Alex Stone ABC News explain 311 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:45,920 Speaker 2: what's going on, Alex Haylo John. Yeah, a lot of 312 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,800 Speaker 2: people want answers on this, and we're probably not going 313 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 2: to get a lot of answers because the judge put 314 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 2: a protective order in place yesterday. That makes it so 315 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 2: Alan Jackson can't really say. Nobody else is allowed to 316 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,040 Speaker 2: talk about it either. But as we're at the courthouse yesterday, 317 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: it was a surprise as we thought, well, here we go. 318 00:19:03,920 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 2: Already the arraignment had been delayed from before Christmas, so 319 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: Alan Jackson could get ready in on the case and 320 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,680 Speaker 2: decide how they were going to move forward and look 321 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 2: at some of the discovery. And a big name coming 322 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 2: in as you mentioned, you know, Karen Reid, she was acquitted. 323 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:24,119 Speaker 2: He represented her, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey that he is 324 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 2: the big deal attorney in the US right now, and 325 00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 2: then came in immediately went into the judges chambers yesterday 326 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 2: and then they came out and he said he was 327 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 2: withdrawing from the case. And there was a public defender 328 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 2: standing next to him, and he said she's going to 329 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:42,439 Speaker 2: be taken over and outside of court as all of 330 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 2: us reporters, we were all huddled around him. He told 331 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 2: us this, be very very clear about this. 332 00:19:46,840 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: My team and I remained deeply, deeply committed to Nick 333 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: Reiner and to his best interests. 334 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 2: But so John, he said, dude, to circumstances beyond his 335 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 2: control or Reiner's control, that he can know longer represent Rainer. Well, 336 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 2: what does that mean? So Reiner's going from one of 337 00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 2: the highest paid top lawyers in the contrary to now 338 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,040 Speaker 2: a public defender who is being assigned the case or 339 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 2: two public defenders. And Alan Jackson can't say and won't 340 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,439 Speaker 2: say why he is withdrawing, but because if he did, 341 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: he get in trouble. But he did say this. I 342 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 2: was surprised he went this far. 343 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: And you can take this to the bank. Is that 344 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,919 Speaker 1: pursue it to the laws of this state. Pursue it 345 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 1: to the law in California. Nick Reiner is not guilty 346 00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:34,880 Speaker 1: of murder print that print. 347 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: That, so, listening to the nuance, there not guilty under 348 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: the laws of California. So it seems like he is 349 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 2: saying that this is an insanity defense and that that's 350 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,400 Speaker 2: what we expected them to maybe come in with any way, 351 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,600 Speaker 2: or to eventually claim to change the plea and not 352 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,200 Speaker 2: guilty by reason of insanity. Who knows what a public 353 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 2: defender will do, but it seems like he's definitely pointing 354 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: toward that. So now that the public defender takes over, 355 00:20:59,720 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 2: she's that she had only been able to talk to 356 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: Reiner for about thirty seconds before they went into court yesterday. 357 00:21:04,680 --> 00:21:06,960 Speaker 2: She needs more time. It's going to be February twenty third. 358 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 2: At this point when he's arraigned. He remains in La 359 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 2: County Jail. But what happened and this is where now 360 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 2: you know a lot of reading the tea leaves and whatnot, 361 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: but a number of lawyers are saying this has all 362 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 2: the signs that the Rhiners' siblings don't want to pay 363 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 2: for their brother's defense now and maybe they never did, 364 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: and maybe it wasn't clear. I wouldn't because if he 365 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,920 Speaker 2: gets out, he'll come and kill me well, but also 366 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 2: just the anger over what he allegedly did here and 367 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: years of addiction and other things that the family had 368 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: tried to help him with, and now he's accused of 369 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 2: killing their parents. But what's unclear is was there ever 370 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 2: money that they were giving and that they were willing 371 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 2: to pay for? Yeah, one made Alan Jackson sign on 372 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:51,040 Speaker 2: for it. Don't they work out the financial terms beforehand? 373 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:51,479 Speaker 1: Well? 374 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: And then that we don't know. Did he come in 375 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 2: believing that there would be money coming in or did 376 00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 2: they cut off that money or is it not about money? 377 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 2: And there was some you know, under the laws of California, 378 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,360 Speaker 2: trying to prove insanity in this case could be difficult 379 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 2: for a number of reasons. I'll explain that. But did 380 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 2: he say, hey, you got to go guilty or make 381 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 2: a deal or something and Nick Reder say no, I'm 382 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,639 Speaker 2: not going to do that. Hard to tell, but based 383 00:22:16,680 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: on what he said that he stands behind him and 384 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: that he believes he is not guilty in the state 385 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,520 Speaker 2: of California, seems that they would have gone the insanity defense. 386 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 2: But we asked our legal analyst Dan Abrams. He says, 387 00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,200 Speaker 2: this has to be about money. 388 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 4: In this case. 389 00:22:30,480 --> 00:22:33,160 Speaker 5: When you go from one of the highest paid attorneys 390 00:22:33,200 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 5: in the country to a public defender, you have to 391 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 5: believe that in the end this was about money. 392 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,679 Speaker 2: It's how the public defender's office. They're getting read in 393 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 2: on the case right now and then they'll move forward. 394 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 2: So in California, to claim insanity, what they've got to show, 395 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 2: as it's been described to us by a number of attorneys, 396 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 2: is that the insanity predated the addiction and not the 397 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 2: addiction created the insanity. He had so many years of 398 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: a and we know in and out of services rehab, 399 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 2: I think seventeen times, and it was for a very 400 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,360 Speaker 2: long time that he went through that. There are some 401 00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 2: in the legal world who believe that's going to be 402 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 2: really tough under state law to show that the mental 403 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: health predated, even though we have LAPD callogues and whatnot 404 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: of calls going back to twenty nineteen. Doesn't say it's 405 00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 2: him that they're dealing with mental health. But let's just 406 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 2: say it is and assume that it was the calls 407 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,720 Speaker 2: to their home in Brentwood that had dealt with him 408 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,479 Speaker 2: being a mental health call. But that was twenty nineteen 409 00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 2: and the addiction went a lot longer than that. So 410 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 2: how do you prove, if you are Alan Jackson or 411 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: whoever it ends up being now in the end, the 412 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 2: public defender or somebody else, that the mental health predated 413 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 2: the addiction and the addiction didn't create the mental health. 414 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 2: The other part of it, I've talked to a number 415 00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:52,640 Speaker 2: of sources and prosecutors who made it pretty clear as well, 416 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,440 Speaker 2: but on the law enforcement side, that they believe that 417 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 2: what Nick Reiner allegedly did after the murders shows that 418 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 2: he knew right from wrong, and that he knew that 419 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: he had done something very bad, and that he was 420 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 2: not insane at the time. That they will argue that 421 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 2: he left the home, that he went and checked into 422 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 2: the hotel in Santa Monica, that he ditched the clothes, 423 00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 2: that he was over by usc that that shows that 424 00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:20,160 Speaker 2: he had the wherewithal to know that he had committed 425 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 2: a crime and was not insane in that moment. So 426 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:24,480 Speaker 2: these are all things that they're going to argue. And 427 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 2: unless there's a guilty plea or he makes a deal 428 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,679 Speaker 2: with prosecutors, that it will go to trial and a 429 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 2: jury could decide and would decide if he were to 430 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 2: claim not guilty by reason of insanity. If he really 431 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 2: was insane, if the jury agreed with him, he would 432 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 2: go to a mental health institution. If not, he would 433 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 2: go to prison. But there's a lot of ifs in 434 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 2: all of that. Can they show that it wasn't the 435 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,080 Speaker 2: addiction that created a mental health issue and then everything 436 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,600 Speaker 2: that he did after, allegedly after the murders. Yeah, I 437 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: don't know how they're going to prove that he was 438 00:24:55,800 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 2: insane in the moment. The only witnesses were killed, the 439 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 2: only ones who could describe what was going on in 440 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,440 Speaker 2: the house in the minutes or hours leading up to 441 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 2: the killing. You know, they're dead. Yeah, so we're not 442 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: ever going to know Brian party and then what people 443 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,280 Speaker 2: saw there and how he had been acting. And you 444 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: would think that they would bring up the drug addiction, 445 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: but as it's been described by a number of folks 446 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,360 Speaker 2: law enforcement to us, you can't use that as an excuse. Yeah, 447 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 2: if you got to let's say you got a duy 448 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: and you got into a crash and you said, well, 449 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,000 Speaker 2: I was drunk, it wasn't the it was the alcohol. 450 00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: You couldn't then claim that it wasn't your fault. So 451 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,119 Speaker 2: you can't say, well, you know, he had been on 452 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: drugs and that made him insane that the drugs would 453 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: make him guilty of murder at that point, So law 454 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: enforcement investigators truly believed that this was cold blooded murder. 455 00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,880 Speaker 2: The prosecutors say that is what they're going to prove. 456 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 2: We'll see what the public defender. We're on every day 457 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 2: from one until four o'clock. We have had a lot 458 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:57,119 Speaker 2: this first half of the show, and if you missed it, 459 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: you go to the podcast. We are going to release 460 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:02,920 Speaker 2: an four and it's John Cobelt on demand on the 461 00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 2: iHeart app and you can listen to everything that you missed. 462 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 2: We are going to talk now with Alex Stone ABC News. 463 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:16,800 Speaker 2: Nick Reiner's attorney, Alan Jackson, defense attorney to celebrities, has 464 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 2: won high profile cases, and he took over Reiner's case 465 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:26,199 Speaker 2: and now he's gone, not saying why, and things are 466 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,879 Speaker 2: postponed for about six weeks and Reiner is going to 467 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:34,720 Speaker 2: be reduced to a deputy public defender. Let's get Alex 468 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 2: Stone ABC News. Explain what's going on, Alex Taylor, John, Yeah, 469 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 2: a lot of people want answers on this, and we're 470 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,520 Speaker 2: probably not going to get a lot of answers. Because 471 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,359 Speaker 2: the judge put a protective order in place yesterday that 472 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 2: makes it so Alan Jackson can't really say. Nobody else 473 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 2: is allowed to talk about it either. But as we're 474 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 2: at the courthouse yesterday, it was a surprise as we thought, well, 475 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 2: here we go. Already the arraignment had been delayed from 476 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 2: before Christmas, so Alan Jackson could get ready in on 477 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 2: the case and decide how they were going to move 478 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,359 Speaker 2: forward and look at some of the discovery. And a 479 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,920 Speaker 2: big name coming in as you mentioned, you know, Karen Reid, 480 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 2: she was acquitted. He represented her, Harvey Weinstein, Kevin Spacey 481 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,439 Speaker 2: that he is the big deal attorney in the US 482 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 2: right now, and then came in immediately went into the 483 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: judges chambers yesterday and then they came out and he 484 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,439 Speaker 2: said he was withdrawing from the case and there was 485 00:27:30,520 --> 00:27:32,879 Speaker 2: a public defender standing next to him and he said 486 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: she's going to be taken over and outside of court 487 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 2: as all of us reporters, we were all huddled around him. 488 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 2: He told us this, be very very clear about this. 489 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: My team and I remained deeply, deeply committed to Nick 490 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: Reiner and to his best interests, but. 491 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,360 Speaker 2: So John, he said, dude, to circumstances beyond his control 492 00:27:52,520 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 2: or Reiner's control, that he can no longer represent Iner. 493 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,120 Speaker 2: Well what does that mean? So Riner's going from one 494 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:02,000 Speaker 2: of the highest paid top lawyers in the contrary to 495 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: now a public defender who is being assigned the case 496 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 2: or two public defenders. And Alan Jackson can't say and 497 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 2: won't say why he is withdrawing, but because if he did, 498 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,199 Speaker 2: he get in trouble. But he did say this, I 499 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:15,200 Speaker 2: was surprised he went this far. 500 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: And you can take this to the bank. Is that 501 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: pursue it to the laws of this state. Pursue it 502 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:25,600 Speaker 1: to the law in California. Nick Reiner is not guilty 503 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: of murder print. 504 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 2: That print that, So, listening to the nuance there not 505 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 2: guilty under the laws of California. So it seems like 506 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 2: he is saying that this is an insanity defense and 507 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,040 Speaker 2: that that's what we expected them to maybe come in 508 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 2: with any way, or to eventually claim to change the 509 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 2: plea and not guilty by reason of insanity. Who knows 510 00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 2: what a public defender will do, but it seems like 511 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: he's definitely pointing toward that. So now the public defender 512 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 2: takes over She said that she had only been able 513 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 2: to talk to Reiner for about thirty seconds before they 514 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 2: went into court yesterday. She needs more time February twenty third. 515 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: At this point, when he's arraigned, he remains in La 516 00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: County jail. But what happened and this is where now 517 00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 2: you know a lot of reading the tea leaves and whatnot, 518 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: but a number of lawyers are saying this has all 519 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: the signs that the Rhiners' siblings don't want to pay 520 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,520 Speaker 2: for their brothers defense now, and maybe they never did, 521 00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 2: and maybe it wasn't clear. I wouldn't because if he 522 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: gets out, he'll come and kill me. Well, but also 523 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,280 Speaker 2: just the anger over what he allegedly did here and 524 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: years of addiction and other things that the family had 525 00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,040 Speaker 2: tried to help him with, and now he's accused of 526 00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: killing their parents. But what's unclear is was there ever 527 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 2: money that they were giving and that they were willing 528 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 2: to pay for. Yeah, one made Alan Jackson sign on 529 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 2: for it. Don't they work out the financial terms beforehand? 530 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:45,720 Speaker 3: Well? 531 00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 2: And then that we don't know. Did he come in 532 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 2: believing that there would be money coming in or did 533 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:55,360 Speaker 2: they cut off that money or is it not about money, 534 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: and there was some You know, under the laws of California, 535 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,080 Speaker 2: trying to prove and seanity in this case could be 536 00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 2: difficult for a number of reasons. I'll explain that. But 537 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: did he say, hey, you got to go guilty or 538 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 2: make a deal or something and Nick Render say no, 539 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,480 Speaker 2: I'm not going to do that. Hard to tell. But 540 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 2: based on what he said that he stands behind him 541 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 2: and that he believes he is not guilty in the 542 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: state of California, seems that they would have gone the 543 00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,000 Speaker 2: insanity defense. But we asked our legal analyst, Dan Abrams. 544 00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 2: He says, this has to be about money in this case. 545 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 5: When you go from one of the highest paid attorneys 546 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,800 Speaker 5: in the country to a public defender, you have to 547 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 5: believe that in the end this was about money. 548 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 2: To the public defender's office, they're getting read in on 549 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 2: the case right now and then they'll move forward. So 550 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:43,160 Speaker 2: in California to claim insanity, what they've got to show, 551 00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 2: as it's been described to us by a number of attorneys, 552 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 2: is that the insanity predated the addiction and not the 553 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: addiction created the insanity. He had so many years of 554 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: addiction and we know in and out of services rehab 555 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 2: I think seventeen times, and it was for a very 556 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 2: long time that he went through that. There are some 557 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 2: in the legal world who believe that's going to be 558 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 2: really tough under state law to show that the mental 559 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,560 Speaker 2: health predated even though we have LAPD callogues and whatnot 560 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 2: of calls going back to twenty nineteen. Doesn't say it's 561 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 2: him that they're dealing with mental health. But let's just 562 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: say it is and assume that it was the calls 563 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 2: to their home in Brentwood that had dealt with him 564 00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 2: being a mental health call. But that was twenty nineteen, 565 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:29,720 Speaker 2: and that the addiction went a lot longer than that. 566 00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 2: So how do you prove, if you are Alan Jackson 567 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,440 Speaker 2: or whoever it ends up being now in the end, 568 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:38,160 Speaker 2: the public defender or somebody else, that the mental health 569 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: predated the addiction and the addiction didn't create the mental health. 570 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: The other part of it. I've talked to a number 571 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: of sources and prosecutors who made it pretty clear as well, 572 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 2: but on the law enforcement side, that they believe that 573 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: what Nick Reiner allegedly did after the murders shows that 574 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 2: he knew right from wrong, and that he knew that 575 00:31:57,800 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: he had done something very bad and that he was 576 00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 2: not insane at the time. That they will argue that 577 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 2: he left the home, that he went and checked into 578 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 2: the hotel in Santa Monica, that he ditched the clothes, 579 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,600 Speaker 2: that he was over by usc that that shows that 580 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 2: he had the wherewithal to know that he had committed 581 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: a crime and was not insane in that moment. So 582 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 2: these are all things that they're going to argue, and 583 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: unless there's a guilty plea or he makes a deal 584 00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 2: with prosecutors that it will go to trial and a 585 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 2: jury could decide and would decide if he were to 586 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 2: claim not guilty by reason of insanity, if he really 587 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:32,920 Speaker 2: was insane, if the jury agreed with him, he would 588 00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 2: go to a mental health institution. If not, he would 589 00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,760 Speaker 2: go to prison. But there's a lot of ifs in 590 00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 2: all of that. Can they show that it wasn't the 591 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,280 Speaker 2: addiction that created a mental health issue and then everything 592 00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:47,880 Speaker 2: that he did after, allegedly after the murders, Yeah, I 593 00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 2: don't know how they're going to prove that he was 594 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: insane in the moment. The only witnesses were killed, the 595 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: only ones who could describe what was going on in 596 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: the house, in the minutes or hours leading up to 597 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: the kill. They're you know, they're dead. Yeah, So I'm 598 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,840 Speaker 2: sure we're not ever going to know Brian Party and 599 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 2: then what people saw there and how he had been acting, 600 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 2: and and you would think that they would bring up 601 00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:13,680 Speaker 2: the drug addiction. But as it's been described by a 602 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 2: number of folks in law enforcement to us of you 603 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: can't use that as an excuse. Yeah, if you got 604 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 2: to let's say you got a duy and you got 605 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: into a crash and you said, well, I was drunk, 606 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: it wasn't the it was the alcohol. You couldn't then 607 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,080 Speaker 2: claim that that it wasn't your fault. So you can't say, well, 608 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 2: you know, he had been on drugs and that made 609 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 2: him insane, that the drugs would make him guilty of 610 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 2: murder at that point. So law enforcement investigators truly believed 611 00:33:37,920 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: that this was cold blooded murder, and prosecutors say that 612 00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: is what they're going to prove. We'll see what the 613 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 2: public defenders. 614 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFI A 615 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 4: six forty. 616 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: I'm going to be on CNN Tonite in the ten 617 00:33:54,280 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: o'clock hour CNN tonight. Alex Michaelson. The story is, and 618 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: we're going to be talking about the ICE shooting in Minneapolis, 619 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: among other things. So tonight ten o'clock CNN, the story is, 620 00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 2: and beyond a panel with others, it's always entertaining. Now, 621 00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:24,880 Speaker 2: speaking of the Minneapolis shooting, two things you should know. 622 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 2: One is the ICE agent who shot Renee Good. He 623 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 2: had perhaps a traumatic incident just a year ago. Last year, 624 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,719 Speaker 2: he was dragged one hundred yards one hundred yard that 625 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 2: is the length of a football field by an illegal 626 00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 2: immigrant in Minnesota. His arm was trapped inside the vehicle 627 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,280 Speaker 2: during a traffic stop. It happened on June sevent teenth 628 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:07,320 Speaker 2: in Bloomington, and at the time, the governor Tim Waltz 629 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:13,560 Speaker 2: had called ICE agents the modern day Gestapo, and ICE 630 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 2: agents did a traffic stop on an illegal alien named 631 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 2: Roberto Carlos Munos from Guatemala. Long rap sheet, domestic assault, 632 00:35:25,120 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 2: sex crimes against an underage teenager. These are the people 633 00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 2: that Walls and Newsom protect. These are the people who 634 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:43,479 Speaker 2: get sanctuary. And then Walls and Newsom does this too. 635 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 2: They'll use phrases like gestop, gestapo. The activists, many of 636 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,200 Speaker 2: whom are getting government money. They're getting taxpayer paid grants 637 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 2: to do their nonprofit work. This is nonprofit work. Interfering 638 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:09,560 Speaker 2: with ICE agents, Well, they get whipped up into a frenzy. 639 00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 2: And that's you know, that's what happened in Minneapolis. That's 640 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,040 Speaker 2: what happens here. In this specific case case, it was 641 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:21,680 Speaker 2: the illegal alien himself who decided that, well, he doesn't 642 00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 2: have to respect this agent. He doesn't have to respect obviously, 643 00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 2: he doesn't respect the law. He came here illegally. He's 644 00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 2: got a long criminal history. So the ICE agent has 645 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 2: his arm I guess through the window of the car 646 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:44,240 Speaker 2: and the agent is dragged off one hundred yards. Maybe 647 00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 2: that played into his reaction. But Renee Good, who got 648 00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 2: shot yesterday, she's a piece of work. Now she's thirty 649 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 2: seven years old. She's on her third marriage, two men 650 00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,759 Speaker 2: and a woman. Imagine that, you get three marriages at 651 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 2: the age of thirty seven, two guys and a woman. 652 00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:07,840 Speaker 2: So you can tell she's not wrapped too tight. And 653 00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 2: she goes there to protest, and so you see the protesters, 654 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 2: they just stand there and they scream. Now, what you 655 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:20,239 Speaker 2: shouldn't do is interfere with the ICE agents. That's a 656 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 2: federal felony. To interfere with an ICE agent, and she 657 00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,160 Speaker 2: had her car blocking traffic for three minutes, and the 658 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:32,440 Speaker 2: ICE agent said, oh, enough of this, and they went 659 00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,440 Speaker 2: up to her. One came from the side, the other 660 00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 2: came from the front. And then she hits the gas 661 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 2: pedal kills the guy. Well, could have killed the guy. 662 00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:50,800 Speaker 2: Excuse me, she killed him first. I'm sorry getting my 663 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:58,000 Speaker 2: pronouns mixed up. She hit the gas, he kills her. 664 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,360 Speaker 2: I don't know what would you do if you had 665 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 2: a gun in your hand. You were in a stand 666 00:38:02,400 --> 00:38:06,480 Speaker 2: off and somebody hits the gas and the car comes 667 00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:08,319 Speaker 2: at you. You have a gun, what would you do. 668 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 2: I'd use it. I'd never never had a gun, But 669 00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 2: I'm just fantasizing here somebody's coming at me. Well, yeah, 670 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:22,839 Speaker 2: you're gonna shoot. He'd already had the window rolled up 671 00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,400 Speaker 2: on his arm and dragged one hundred feet. What is 672 00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 2: she doing. She's a mother of three and she's sitting 673 00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:37,239 Speaker 2: in a car protesting ice. That is a lunatic. Lunatics 674 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 2: get involved in these stories. I don't have any sympathy 675 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:44,320 Speaker 2: for her. You should have been home with your kids, 676 00:38:45,680 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 2: not sitting putting your car in the middle of a 677 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:52,040 Speaker 2: protest and ignoring the orders of police officers to get 678 00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 2: out right hit the gas head towards the cop. Wow, 679 00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,000 Speaker 2: maybe I'll go to him into firing at me. Maybe 680 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: they'll determine that was an illegal shot that the cop took. Well, 681 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,640 Speaker 2: you're still going to be dead, even if they found 682 00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:15,440 Speaker 2: him liable. Here, you're still dead. She had three children 683 00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,480 Speaker 2: fifteen year old daughter, twelve year old son with the 684 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:22,120 Speaker 2: first husband, six year old son from the second marriage. 685 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:29,239 Speaker 2: Then she ended up married to this woman. Now the 686 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:34,040 Speaker 2: woman was blaming herself for her wife's death. Renee Good, 687 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,040 Speaker 2: I made her come down here. It's my fault. They 688 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:42,120 Speaker 2: just shot my wife. Renee Good was just had described 689 00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,439 Speaker 2: herself as a poet and a writer and a wife 690 00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,879 Speaker 2: and a mom. A poet. Oh there's the headline, right, 691 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 2: poet shot to death by ice agent. Excellent? Uh oh. 692 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:59,279 Speaker 2: She also hosted a podcast with her second husband. I 693 00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 2: wonder if she got it any of the fire aid money. 694 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:10,680 Speaker 2: Is there anybody that does not host a podcast? Uh? 695 00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 2: All right, anyway, I'll be on CNN tonight with Alex 696 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 2: Michaelson on a panel to talk about the ice shooting 697 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 2: and who knows what else. When we come back. We 698 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 2: got Michael Monks. Oh Newsom State of the State address. 699 00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 2: It was predictably absurd. Oh my god, what is this? 700 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 2: Karen Bass is on television guy's roll tape on this 701 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:40,280 Speaker 2: it's are they talking about the Ice shooting? There she is? 702 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 2: She got TV for the Ice shooting. Yeah a CNN, 703 00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,040 Speaker 2: she's on TV for the Ice shooting. She go on 704 00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: TV yesterday about the Palisades fire. I didn't see her 705 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 2: at the Palisades Memorial. I didn't see her at the 706 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 2: Palisades They let us burn demonstration Deborah Mark live in 707 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,360 Speaker 2: the CAFI twenty four our newsroom. Hey, you've been listening 708 00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,960 Speaker 2: to The John Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear 709 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,680 Speaker 2: the show live on KFI AM six forty from one 710 00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,240 Speaker 2: to four pm every Monday through Friday, and of course, 711 00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,000 Speaker 2: anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app.