WEBVTT - The Dream 9

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<v Speaker 1>From Fudromidia and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm marian no

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<v Speaker 1>Josa Today the story of the Dream Nine, a group

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<v Speaker 1>of young undocumented activists who in twenty thirteen staged one

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<v Speaker 1>of the riskiest protests in the history of the immigration

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<v Speaker 1>rights movement in the United States. Welcome to Latino, USA.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Maria no Josa. For the so called Dreamers, undocumented

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<v Speaker 1>young people, life in the United States is a constant limbo.

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<v Speaker 1>They arrived in the United States as children and made

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<v Speaker 1>this country their only home, many times even unaware that

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<v Speaker 1>they were undocumented. Today, a lot of Dreamers are enrolled

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<v Speaker 1>in a program known as DHAKA, or Deferred Action for

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<v Speaker 1>Childhood Arrivals, which has allowed them to work, study, and

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<v Speaker 1>live in the United States dates with identification and less

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<v Speaker 1>fear of deportation. But in twenty seventeen, then President Donald

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<v Speaker 1>Trump tried to fulfill his campaign promise of rescinding the

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<v Speaker 1>DOCA program entirely program established by his predecessor, President Barack

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<v Speaker 1>Obama in twenty twelve, after the case reached the Supreme

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<v Speaker 1>Court in twenty twenty, Trump was unable to terminate the program. Then,

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one, President Joe Biden's administration renewed DACA,

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<v Speaker 1>but following that renewal, a Texas District court ruled that

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<v Speaker 1>DOCA was unconstitutional. In September of twenty twenty three, the

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<v Speaker 1>Texas Court found the program illegal once again, and while

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<v Speaker 1>advocates have tried to reverse this ruling, the Fifth Circuit

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<v Speaker 1>Court of Appeals has also deemed DOCA unlawful, so the

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<v Speaker 1>case could end up back at the Supreme Court. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>as Dreamers keep fighting to keep DOCA alive with legal challenges,

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<v Speaker 1>the program is allowed to continue. Well, we hear at

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<v Speaker 1>Latino USA wanted to revisit an episode that we originally

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<v Speaker 1>ran in the year twenty fifteen, just about a decade ago.

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<v Speaker 1>It's about a group of activists known as the Dream Nine,

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<v Speaker 1>and while the Dream Nine are not DACA recipients, we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to tell you why. Their story shows what's at

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<v Speaker 1>stake for a lot of young people who have grown

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<v Speaker 1>up in this country and continue to dream of a

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<v Speaker 1>life in the United States and now with a very

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<v Speaker 1>uncertain future.

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<v Speaker 2>Hirawan, this is Lisa bed I'm making this video from Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's going to sound a little crazy and

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest, I still can't believe that I'm here.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a YouTube video posted in the summer of

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen. In the video, Lisbette Matteo is looking straight

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<v Speaker 1>at the camera wearing a shirt that says the Dream

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<v Speaker 1>is Coming in big block letters.

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<v Speaker 3>I came to.

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<v Speaker 2>Tahaka knowing that the US govern might not allow.

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<v Speaker 4>Me to go back.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisbeth was brought to the US as a fourteen year

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<v Speaker 1>old kid without papers, which means that visiting Mexico leaving

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<v Speaker 1>the United States could put her at risk for never

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<v Speaker 1>being able to come back, to come back to her studies.

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<v Speaker 1>She was putting it all on the line, going to

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<v Speaker 1>Mexico for the first time in fifteen years to take

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<v Speaker 1>part in one of the most daring displays of activism

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<v Speaker 1>in over a generation, something that would take the immigration

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<v Speaker 1>debate to brand new territory, something called the Dream Nine.

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<v Speaker 1>The young immigrants known as the Dream Nine remain in nine,

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<v Speaker 1>if they've come to be known, were brought here as

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<v Speaker 1>childrenn as the Dream nine, or arrested last month after

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<v Speaker 1>crossing the border from Mexico. On July twenty second, twenty thirteen,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisbeth and eight other undocumented young people walked up to

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<v Speaker 1>immigration officers in Nogles, Arizona, asking for re entry into

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<v Speaker 1>the United States. The young activists formed a line, arms linked,

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<v Speaker 1>wearing their graduation caps and gowns, the unofficial symbol of

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<v Speaker 1>the Dreamer movement. They were asking for political asylum, but

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<v Speaker 1>the action landed all nine in an immigration detention center.

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<v Speaker 1>Today's show, we're spending our entire hour on the story

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<v Speaker 1>of the Dream Nine, basically a bunch of kids who

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<v Speaker 1>were willing to risk everything to make a very bold

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<v Speaker 1>political statement. Our producers Antonia Serejido, Marlon Bishop, and I

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<v Speaker 1>traveled across the country to interview members of the Dream Nine.

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<v Speaker 1>You'll be hearing from them throughout the episode.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey Maria, So our story starts not at the border,

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<v Speaker 5>not with Lizabeth, but many years before in Mexico City,

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<v Speaker 5>when it ten year old girl named Maria Ines Benice

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<v Speaker 5>boarded an airplane a stuffed animal cradled in her arms.

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<v Speaker 6>I bigly remember we landed in Texas like I had

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<v Speaker 6>three backpacks across my chest, a roly backpack in Trumpita's

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<v Speaker 6>my elephant.

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<v Speaker 1>Marine's parents were struggling in Mexico City.

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<v Speaker 5>Then her dad got an opportunity through a friend to

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<v Speaker 5>come to the States and work at a restaurant in

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<v Speaker 5>the Boston area.

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<v Speaker 1>They came on a tourist visa, but with intentions to stay.

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<v Speaker 1>Little Maria wasn't pleased.

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<v Speaker 6>But my mom asked me to give it a chance,

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<v Speaker 6>and I knew that the Backstor boys were from here,

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<v Speaker 6>so I was like, Okay, maybe I'll give it a try.

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<v Speaker 5>The family settled in Revere, a working class suburb of Boston.

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<v Speaker 5>At first, Marianez hated it.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody looks down at me because I'm in the bilingual class,

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<v Speaker 6>so I didn't like it.

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<v Speaker 1>But eventually, as kids do, Maria Nez adapted. She learned

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<v Speaker 1>English and started doing really well in school. Soon she

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<v Speaker 1>was on the honor roll, taking ap classes and she

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<v Speaker 1>had friends.

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<v Speaker 6>Now I can say this, I lived the golden era

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<v Speaker 6>of reggaeton.

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<v Speaker 7>So.

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<v Speaker 6>Back then it was cool to be Latino. Everybody wanted

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<v Speaker 6>to learn how to dance reggaeton and speak in Spanish

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<v Speaker 6>because like, oh my god, like you're speaking to each

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<v Speaker 6>other in another language that the adults don't understand, and

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<v Speaker 6>we were like mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 5>During this time, Maria had no idea that she was undocumented.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that by the time I hit eighth grade,

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<v Speaker 6>I already felt like, this is my country, this is

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<v Speaker 6>my language, and this is my friends.

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<v Speaker 5>So it was cool.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, my Regaton Golden era was cool.

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<v Speaker 1>When did things start to not be so cool?

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<v Speaker 6>So this would be junior year of high school.

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<v Speaker 5>Her dad lost his job and at the same time,

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<v Speaker 5>her mom became really sick and had to stop working.

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<v Speaker 5>Suddenly there wasn't any money coming into the household, and

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<v Speaker 5>I was like.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, Dad, well I want to get a job. I

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<v Speaker 6>want to help you guys out. But I've been looking

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<v Speaker 6>at places and they're asking me for my Social Security number.

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<v Speaker 8>That's when we had.

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<v Speaker 1>To talk money. I went down to East Boston and

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<v Speaker 1>bought a fake social Security card. Then she took those

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<v Speaker 1>fake papers to McDonald's and got an after school job

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<v Speaker 1>as a cashier.

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<v Speaker 5>And this whole time, she had a plan finish high

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<v Speaker 5>school and go to college.

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<v Speaker 6>I was going to move to New York City and

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<v Speaker 6>go to Marymount Manhattan College, and I would watch Sex

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<v Speaker 6>and the City every night before going to sleep. I'm like, yes,

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<v Speaker 6>I am going to be this like independent, like strong

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<v Speaker 6>American woman. And I got it like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Maria and Ness didn't really understand how big of a

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<v Speaker 5>deal it was that she was undocumented. To her, it

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<v Speaker 5>just meant she had to go through a different process

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<v Speaker 5>to get a job, that's all. It finally dawned on

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<v Speaker 5>her when it was time to apply for college.

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<v Speaker 1>She went to meet with her guidance counselor to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about the application process, and the counselor told her she

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<v Speaker 1>needed a Social Security number in order to apply for

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<v Speaker 1>financial aid.

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<v Speaker 5>And then, in just a few words, the counselor destroyed

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<v Speaker 5>her world.

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<v Speaker 6>We're so sorry, Maria, it looks like college is not

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<v Speaker 6>going to be an option for you. And I was

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<v Speaker 6>really upset on my parents. Why didn't you tell me

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<v Speaker 6>this before? Why didn't you try to do something sooner?

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<v Speaker 8>Why? Why why didn't you do anything? And then I

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<v Speaker 8>called Mary Mount Manhattan. They were like, well, if you

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<v Speaker 8>have thirty six thousand dollars in your bank account showing

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<v Speaker 8>us that you're going to be able to pay for school,

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<v Speaker 8>then well we'll see you in the fall. If not,

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<v Speaker 8>let us know when you have that. And then out

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<v Speaker 8>of the blue, a teacher reach out to me.

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<v Speaker 1>A recruiter from Pine Manor College in the Boston area

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<v Speaker 1>was at the school and had scholarships available for undocumented students.

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<v Speaker 5>Shortly after, Maria Ynes and her dad went into the

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<v Speaker 5>financial aid office to talk about a plan for how

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<v Speaker 5>they could possibly pay for school.

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<v Speaker 6>My dad was just like looking at me, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was looking at my dad, and I was like, Dad,

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<v Speaker 6>I really want this, Like Dad, this is.

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<v Speaker 8>Such a good opportunity for me.

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<v Speaker 6>And we were on the campus, you know, so we

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<v Speaker 6>had seen the campus. I was like that, like, I

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<v Speaker 6>really want to go here. He's like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know, Mikha, let's see, let's see until I guess.

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<v Speaker 6>My dad just broke down and he didn't know what

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<v Speaker 6>to do, and he told the lady, listen, my family's undocumented.

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<v Speaker 6>It's really hard for me to pay all of this.

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<v Speaker 6>But if you won, I can come and clean bathrooms.

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<v Speaker 6>My wife and I can come and just do you know,

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<v Speaker 6>like clean or do whatever you want us to do.

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<v Speaker 6>We just want our daughter to come here.

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<v Speaker 1>The financial aid officer was really moved and offered Marie

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<v Speaker 1>Nis one of the biggest scholarships available at the school.

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<v Speaker 1>She started in the fall.

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<v Speaker 5>Maria Yes loved college, but after a year and a half,

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<v Speaker 5>her dad broke the news to her that they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 5>be able to pay for it anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Suddenly it felt like the walls were closing in on

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<v Speaker 1>the family. Marie Nis then brought up an idea to

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<v Speaker 1>her parents.

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<v Speaker 6>Why are we struggling to get by to survive. Why

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<v Speaker 6>don't we just go back to Mexico. Why don't we

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<v Speaker 6>go back. I'll try to make my sex in the

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<v Speaker 6>city in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>Soon the family was on a plane headed to Mexico City,

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<v Speaker 1>loaded down with suitcases.

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<v Speaker 6>Once more, as soon as I stepped out of that

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<v Speaker 6>airport and we were driving to my uncle's house, I

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<v Speaker 6>saw the houses in Mexico. I felt out of breath

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<v Speaker 6>and started crying, like I cried in the car and

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, Mom, what.

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<v Speaker 8>Do we do?

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<v Speaker 6>Look around? Where are we?

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<v Speaker 8>And she was just like, no, no, Mikai, it's okay.

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<v Speaker 5>Marianes found a job at a call center helping Americans

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<v Speaker 5>fix their WiFi over the phone. She was making very

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<v Speaker 5>little money. She and her parents were still struggling.

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<v Speaker 1>Things in Mexico kept getting worse. First, she was sexually

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<v Speaker 1>assaulted by one of the managers at work. Then at home,

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<v Speaker 1>a cousin's husband tried to molest her and afterwards he

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<v Speaker 1>was having people follow her around the city.

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<v Speaker 5>Maria Ess had hoped Mexico would feel like home, but

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<v Speaker 5>it didn't. She says she felt very afraid all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then she got a call.

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<v Speaker 5>It was from a friend back in Boston. She had

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<v Speaker 5>heard that some activists were planning something big at the

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<v Speaker 5>border to try and bring undocumented students like maria Es,

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<v Speaker 5>the so called dreamers, back into the United States. She

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<v Speaker 5>gave Marines a number to dial. A guy picked up.

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<v Speaker 6>He was like, Okay, I can't tell you much because

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<v Speaker 6>people's lives at a risk. Blow I can tell you

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<v Speaker 6>is that if you want to be part of this,

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<v Speaker 6>we're gonna try to bring you guys back home. You

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<v Speaker 6>need to be in Noga Les, Mexico tomorrow morning. And

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<v Speaker 6>I was like, holy crap, what am I going to

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<v Speaker 6>tell my mom?

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<v Speaker 1>It sounded crazy, but Marinez was miserable in Mexico. All

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted was to get back to the life she

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<v Speaker 1>had in the US.

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<v Speaker 5>That same day, the activist bought marian As a plane

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<v Speaker 5>ticket to travel to the border. She made an excuse

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<v Speaker 5>to get out of work and went home to say

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<v Speaker 5>goodbye to her family.

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<v Speaker 6>I had already spoken to my mom and the phone

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<v Speaker 6>about it, and she was like, you were insane. You're

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<v Speaker 6>crazy if you think I'm gonna let you go. So

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<v Speaker 6>I opened the door and my mom's sitting in the

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<v Speaker 6>living room and I'm like, Mom, I'm here. I came

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<v Speaker 6>home to say bye to you and to pack some

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<v Speaker 6>underwear because I'm doing this. And she was like, no,

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<v Speaker 6>you can't do this to me. You can't sleeff like that.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'm like, Mom, I love you, and I'm really sorry.

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<v Speaker 6>And I promised that if this doesn't work, I'll give

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<v Speaker 6>up on the US model, but you have to give

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<v Speaker 6>me this last chance. She's like, okay, all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn, and then she was off to the airport and

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<v Speaker 1>on her way to Nogales on the US Mexico border.

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<v Speaker 1>What she would find there, she had no idea. Coming

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<v Speaker 1>up on Latino USA and our piece that originally ran

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, we find out what awaits Marie Nez

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<v Speaker 1>at the border. Stay with us, Yes, welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>Latino USA. I'm Maria no Josa. We're going to continue

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<v Speaker 1>the story about the Dream Now, which is a group

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<v Speaker 1>of young undocumented activists who decided to push political buttons

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<v Speaker 1>by doing something no immigration activists had ever done before,

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<v Speaker 1>leaving the country in order to get purposely detained at

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<v Speaker 1>the border. And when we left off, one of the

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<v Speaker 1>Dream nine, Marie Nez Benice, had just told her parents

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<v Speaker 1>she was leaving to take part in this risky direct

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<v Speaker 1>action form of protest. So let's get back now to

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<v Speaker 1>our episode that originally aired in twenty fifteen.

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<v Speaker 6>At first, it was sad saying bye to my family

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<v Speaker 6>because I didn't know what was going to happen. But

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<v Speaker 6>at the same time, I didn't think anything was going

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<v Speaker 6>to happen. I was like, I'm gonna go there. They're

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<v Speaker 6>going to say no to me, They're going to deport me.

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<v Speaker 6>I'll probably have a ten year ban and that's that.

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<v Speaker 6>But at least I tried.

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<v Speaker 1>Madia flew to the border town of Nogales, Mexico to

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<v Speaker 1>meet up with the rest of the group. Before crossing

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<v Speaker 1>into the United States.

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<v Speaker 6>I met Lulu, Lisbeth, and Marcos, which were the kids

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<v Speaker 6>that had come from the US to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu Martinez, Lisbeth, Matteo and Marcos Savedra. They were all

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<v Speaker 1>part of the National Immigrant Youth Alliance known as NIA.

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<v Speaker 1>NIA was the organization behind the Dream Nine. Like Mariegnez, Lulu,

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<v Speaker 1>Lisbeth and Marcos were undocumented, but unlike her, they had

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<v Speaker 1>voluntarily left the US and flown into Mexico just for

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<v Speaker 1>this action. In other words, while Marinez had already left

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<v Speaker 1>her life in the US behind, these activists had everything

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<v Speaker 1>to lose, their homes, their friends, their whole lives. In

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<v Speaker 1>the days leading up to the action, the Dream Nine

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<v Speaker 1>gathered in Novalis for a kind of activist boot camp.

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<v Speaker 1>They stayed together in a shelter and did all sorts

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<v Speaker 1>of trainings, what to say to the media, how to

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<v Speaker 1>interact with immigration officials.

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<v Speaker 6>Like we did this spiritual thing where everything was by candlelight,

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<v Speaker 6>and it was like, remember your ancestors, remember the people

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<v Speaker 6>that have fought for you to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>They even had a legal team to help them through

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<v Speaker 1>the process. The NIA members were excited. This was going

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<v Speaker 1>to be their biggest protest yet. Our producer Antonia sa

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<v Speaker 1>Rihido went to Los Angeles to visit with Lisbethe Matteo.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes I did, Hey Antonia, Hey Madia. So we heard

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<v Speaker 1>from Lisbet at the top of our show. She was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the very first members of the National Immigrant

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<v Speaker 1>Youth Alliance or NIA.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes.

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<v Speaker 7>And what struck me so much about Lizabeth in talking

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<v Speaker 7>to her is that she is the stone cold warrior.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean, she has never doubted a single decision she's

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<v Speaker 7>made in her life. Like she came out of the

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<v Speaker 7>womb self asshired.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, most kids play with like dolls and make

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<v Speaker 2>food or playing with things like that. I was paying

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<v Speaker 2>more like, Okay, I'm a doctor or I'm an attorney.

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<v Speaker 1>But to be those things, she needed to go to school,

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<v Speaker 1>and like Marie Anez, she struggled to find financing or

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<v Speaker 1>a job.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I became active and started organizing out of necessity,

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<v Speaker 2>not because I wanted. I don't think I ever had

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<v Speaker 2>that idea I want to change the world or I

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<v Speaker 2>want to make the world a better place. I think

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<v Speaker 2>I just I was really frustrated with my situation and

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<v Speaker 2>that of my family.

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<v Speaker 7>Lizabeth was one of the many young people who took

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<v Speaker 7>up organizing around twenty ten and what became known as

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<v Speaker 7>the Dreamer movement.

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<v Speaker 1>The term Dreamer comes from the Dream Act, a bill

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<v Speaker 1>that would help to create a pathway to legal status

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<v Speaker 1>for young people who were brought to the US as children.

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<v Speaker 9>Both the House and said it could begin debate this

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<v Speaker 9>week on legislation known here in Washington as the Dream Act.

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<v Speaker 9>The bill would create a path to citizenship for un.

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<v Speaker 1>Lisbeth was one of the millions of young people who

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<v Speaker 1>could have benefited from the bill.

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<v Speaker 2>I met a group of undocumented students that had been

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<v Speaker 2>organizing online.

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<v Speaker 7>One of those students was Mohammed ABDULLAHI.

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<v Speaker 2>When I'm Muhammed, who was the shyest person ever, but

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<v Speaker 2>he really grew out of his shell. He has all

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<v Speaker 2>these crazy ideas. That's sometimes I feel like he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>really realize that they're crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>Mohammed is also undocumented. He and his family are from Iran.

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<v Speaker 1>He told us he didn't know any other undocumented kids

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<v Speaker 1>growing up, so when he found out about the Dream Act,

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<v Speaker 1>he wanted to learn more, but his parents told him

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<v Speaker 1>that if he googled it, the government would deport them.

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<v Speaker 9>And so, of course, the first thing I did is

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<v Speaker 9>I googled the Dream Act, and I sort of found

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<v Speaker 9>out that there was other undocumented folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Immediately, Lisbeth and Muhammad found they had something in common.

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<v Speaker 1>They weren't afraid to sleep.

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<v Speaker 6>The next Mars and.

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<v Speaker 10>I'm Heatherawas we told you just moments ago. Protesters stirring

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<v Speaker 10>things up in downtown Tissan at this hour. This is

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<v Speaker 10>a live picture just outside Senator John McCain's office. Inside

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<v Speaker 10>five protesters, all reportedly illegal immigrants, are refusing to leave,

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<v Speaker 10>demanding that the Senator support the Dream Act.

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<v Speaker 7>In May of twenty ten, Lizbeth and Muhammad participated at

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<v Speaker 7>a sit in in Senator John McCain's office, wearing their

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<v Speaker 7>caps and gowns. Lizbeth and Muhammad were hopeful that the

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<v Speaker 7>organizing they were doing was going to lead to change.

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<v Speaker 1>There was momentum building in the Dreamer movement rallies in DC, Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>New York City.

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<v Speaker 11>I was a really incredible time. I think we were

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<v Speaker 11>meeting in documented US from other parts of the country.

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<v Speaker 7>This is Lulu Martinez, who also met Lizabeth and Muhammad

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<v Speaker 7>during this time.

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<v Speaker 11>The people that we had either started to be friends

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<v Speaker 11>with through social media or had no or knew about

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<v Speaker 11>by name, like, we were meeting them in person.

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<v Speaker 1>And finally, in December twenty ten, a huge victory born

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<v Speaker 1>of the activism, the Dream Act passed in the House.

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<v Speaker 4>On this vote, the yeas are two hundred and sixteen.

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<v Speaker 1>The nays are one hundred and ninety eight. The man

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<v Speaker 1>forgot him. But two days later, major blow for those

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<v Speaker 1>pushing for immigration reform for younger undocumented immigrants today, the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate voted against.

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<v Speaker 6>The Dream Act. It would have offered a path to citizens.

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<v Speaker 1>It failed in the Senate. The activists were devastated. Without

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<v Speaker 1>the Dream Act as a clear shared goal, the dreamer

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<v Speaker 1>movement began to s A lot of Dreamers were disillusioned,

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention, confused about what to do next. So

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<v Speaker 1>Lisbeth and Mohammad helped found the National Immigration Youth Alliance

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<v Speaker 1>or NIA, and they wanted to do things differently.

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<v Speaker 9>We were sort of naive about it in the sense

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<v Speaker 9>that we thought if only people heard our stories, then

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<v Speaker 9>they would Careen we sort of came to this joint

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<v Speaker 9>conclusion that things don't change because people hear stories. Things

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<v Speaker 9>change because people feel like they have no other choice

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<v Speaker 9>but to make something happen.

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<v Speaker 7>That meant more direct actions, more sit ins, more hunger strikes,

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<v Speaker 7>and not taking politicians at their word.

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<v Speaker 1>In twenty twelve, two years after the Dream Act had failed,

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<v Speaker 1>feeling pressure to get something done, President Obama used his

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<v Speaker 1>executive powers to create DAKA deferred action for childhood arrivals.

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<v Speaker 7>And DACA was basically a diet version of the Dream Act.

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<v Speaker 7>It allowed undocumented youth to receive two year work and

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<v Speaker 7>stay in the US legally, but it wasn't a path

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<v Speaker 7>to permanent legal status for.

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<v Speaker 11>The all the undocumented youth and undocumented people that up

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<v Speaker 11>to this point had not been part of organizing efforts

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<v Speaker 11>or had not been able to find a good job,

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<v Speaker 11>that that was an opportunity for them. The rest of

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<v Speaker 11>us who were part of organizing, DOCA was just not gonna.

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<v Speaker 11>Was just not enough.

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<v Speaker 1>NIA wanted to go beyond DACA. They wanted to stop

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<v Speaker 1>all deportations, shut down all the detention centers, and challenged

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<v Speaker 1>the very notion that a border could keep them out.

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<v Speaker 9>I remember calling Elizabeth and just asking her if if

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<v Speaker 9>she was interested in doing something crazy, and she as

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<v Speaker 9>always says yes.

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<v Speaker 1>The organization was getting tweets and Facebook messages from young

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<v Speaker 1>people who had moved back to Mexico, like Mariaynes Benice,

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<v Speaker 1>but who would have qualified for DACA. Now they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to come.

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<v Speaker 7>Back, so they devised a plan. NIA members were going

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<v Speaker 7>to voluntarily leave the US, go to Mexico and come

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<v Speaker 7>back with these people.

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<v Speaker 1>They were going to walk up to immigration officers and

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<v Speaker 1>ask for asilum.

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<v Speaker 7>They would call it to bring Them Home campaign.

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<v Speaker 2>It was almost a joke. I mean, I think we

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<v Speaker 2>were just start talking about it. We didn't think it

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<v Speaker 2>was going to happen.

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<v Speaker 1>But once Lisbeth was on board, others followed, including Lulu.

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<v Speaker 11>On a personal level too, I just I really wanted

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<v Speaker 11>to know Mexico. I really wanted to go back and

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<v Speaker 11>see where my where my parents were from.

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<v Speaker 1>And before anyone could think twice, they were doing it.

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<v Speaker 11>Everything was just happening like one step at a time.

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<v Speaker 11>I was packing my bags, I was making my way

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<v Speaker 11>to the airport. I was on the plane. I landed

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<v Speaker 11>in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>They recorded videos from Mexico to generate a buzz around

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<v Speaker 1>the action.

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<v Speaker 3>My name is a New Martinez. And then here in Lastula,

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<v Speaker 3>in Mexico. I still can't believe that I'm here, and

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<v Speaker 3>part of you really really happy. I got to see

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<v Speaker 3>where I was born, I got to see where my

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<v Speaker 3>dad grew up, Mama, Papa, but Monad, I'm gonna come home.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna come home.

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<v Speaker 1>And so On July twenty second, twenty thirteen, the Dream

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<v Speaker 1>nine walked arm in arm up to the border and

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<v Speaker 1>demanded to be let back in.

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<v Speaker 11>And then it was just it was everything was really

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<v Speaker 11>fast and really surreal. We got into our caps and gowns.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was it was amazing. There were a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people, a lot of media, chanting and marching with us.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean there were like large pieces of equipment like

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<v Speaker 11>over us, like taking pictures, taking video.

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<v Speaker 2>One by one started making a cross to the photo

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<v Speaker 2>entry and so we're asked for our IDs, if we

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<v Speaker 2>had visa or some kind of permit to cross.

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<v Speaker 7>They were asked if they had documentation to enter the

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<v Speaker 7>United States, and they said no, and then they handed

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<v Speaker 7>in their asylum paperwork.

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<v Speaker 1>After many hours of intense questioning, they were loaded into

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<v Speaker 1>a van and driven a few hours north to their

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<v Speaker 1>new temporary home, the Eloyd Detention Center. Producer Marlon Bishop

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<v Speaker 1>and I had a chance to visit the detention center.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right, we did, and it's a sixteen hundred bed

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<v Speaker 5>facility located basically in the middle of nowhere, in a

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<v Speaker 5>small desert town midway between Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona. It's

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<v Speaker 5>exclusively used to detain immigrants, including asylum seekers.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the Dream Nine, and even though the people held

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<v Speaker 1>here are not violent criminals, it looks very much like

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<v Speaker 1>any other prison, the squat, concrete buildings, the razor wire fences,

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<v Speaker 1>except here there's no color, no life. The living quarters

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<v Speaker 1>are divided into pods, each with showers, a small living area,

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<v Speaker 1>and cells where the detainee sleep at night. The windows

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<v Speaker 1>are mostly blacked out.

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<v Speaker 5>When the Dream Nine arrived, the men and women were

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<v Speaker 5>separated and housed in different pods. They were given a

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<v Speaker 5>toothbrush and dark green jumpsuits to change into. Here's Lulu

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<v Speaker 5>and the smell.

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<v Speaker 11>I think the smell specifically, and the smell of the

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<v Speaker 11>pods was what stuck with me for a very long

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<v Speaker 11>time because it was this like nasty cleaning smell. I

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<v Speaker 11>don't know, I remember being really disgusted while being.

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<v Speaker 1>In there at CCA.

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<v Speaker 10>Do you Rolling Detention Center? This calumn is such a

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<v Speaker 10>true recording.

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<v Speaker 9>As on the chart.

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<v Speaker 6>Hi'm this is Maria, Maria. I'm fine. They showered us

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<v Speaker 6>and we've already been a friend the room and everyone's okay.

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<v Speaker 5>This is sound from a video posted by Nia. You

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<v Speaker 5>might recognize the voice. It's Maria Yez, the Dreamer from Boston.

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<v Speaker 5>Who we met earlier. NIA was taping conversations with members

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<v Speaker 5>of the Dream Nine while they were in detention. This

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<v Speaker 5>was taped the day the Dream Nine arrived at ELOI.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh see you soon, sure, yeah, fye, thank you, thank you,

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<v Speaker 6>thank you, bye.

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<v Speaker 12>Good bye.

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<v Speaker 1>The Dream Nine were thrust into the tedium of prison

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<v Speaker 1>life your time, meal time, sleep, repeat. When Mariaez first arrived,

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<v Speaker 1>she was in pretty high spirits.

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<v Speaker 6>I remember making jokes of all being shackled, and I

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<v Speaker 6>was like, look at this new jewelry. I'm rocking.

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<v Speaker 1>But that soon went away.

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<v Speaker 6>NIA just told us that we were going to be

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<v Speaker 6>the tame and then all of a sudden we find

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<v Speaker 6>ourselves when all of our belongings taken out, given uniforms

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<v Speaker 6>and put in a cell. We freaked out.

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<v Speaker 5>But NIA did have a plan on the outside. Mohammed

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<v Speaker 5>would keep the story in the press as long as possible.

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<v Speaker 9>So every single day for the two weeks they were there,

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<v Speaker 9>we would have folks from community, from Tucson or from

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<v Speaker 9>Phoenix come down and we would have protests there.

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<v Speaker 1>Nia also put pressure on politicians. Representative Luis Gutires of Chicago.

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<v Speaker 3>Speaker I asked unanimous consent to insert this letter to

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<v Speaker 3>the President of the United States asking for the release

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<v Speaker 3>of the Dream Nine held in detention in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 5>Meanwhile, on the inside, the Dream Nine would agitate however

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<v Speaker 5>they could and collect information about the detention center from

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<v Speaker 5>other detainees.

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<v Speaker 1>Marieynez and the rest of the Dream Nine women were

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<v Speaker 1>housed in a pod with about ten other people, older women,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly mothers, who had taken the trip across the desert,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were separated from the rest of the population.

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<v Speaker 6>Being in contact with the other detainees the other women,

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<v Speaker 6>listening to their stories made me see the bigger picture,

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<v Speaker 6>made me realize that this is bigger than myself.

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<v Speaker 5>Maria Ines had never been an activist before, but she

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<v Speaker 5>decided she wanted to find a way to help the women.

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<v Speaker 11>Lulu joined her, so Maria Anes and I decided, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 11>we're going to do it. We're going to encourage them

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<v Speaker 11>to fight their cases, and we're going to give them

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<v Speaker 11>this hotline to the attorneys that are working in our case.

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<v Speaker 6>We literally spend the whole night writing the same number

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<v Speaker 6>over and over again, and the little pieces of paper

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<v Speaker 6>so we could like hand them out to the women.

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<v Speaker 5>The dining hall was the area where they had contact

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<v Speaker 5>with the largest number of other detainees. So one day

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<v Speaker 5>during meal time, Marieez stood up on a stool in

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<v Speaker 5>the middle of the dining hall and gave kind of

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<v Speaker 5>a speech.

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<v Speaker 6>And I started telling the women, you know, there's a

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<v Speaker 6>lot of people that care about us, there's a whole

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<v Speaker 6>legal team that wants to support you, but we need

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<v Speaker 6>to hear your voices, we need to know your cases.

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<v Speaker 6>I know you're scared, I know people are intimidating you,

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<v Speaker 6>but we're here, and that's all I said. And then

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<v Speaker 6>people started hitting on the tables and just chanting, and

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<v Speaker 6>then I was like, well, might as we'll do it too,

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<v Speaker 6>So I started chanting with them.

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<v Speaker 11>And then they're calling for other people to come there

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<v Speaker 11>thro their like walkie.

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<v Speaker 6>Talkie, and that's when the guards pulled Lulu at me

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<v Speaker 6>off the chairs and took us out of the cafeteria.

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<v Speaker 6>And they were really mad, and they were like, you're

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<v Speaker 6>gonna regret do wind this.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, you're gonna get in a lot of trouble, and

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<v Speaker 11>like we're like.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, well, what's the worst they can do.

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<v Speaker 1>As punishment, Mariaz and Lulu were taken into a different

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<v Speaker 1>pod and given bright orange jumpsuits in place of the

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<v Speaker 1>green ones they were wearing. At first. The new colors

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<v Speaker 1>signified they were classified as dangerous detainees. After all, in

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<v Speaker 1>the detention center's view, these women had just tried to

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<v Speaker 1>start a riot.

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<v Speaker 5>They were kept in separate cells, alone, and not allowed

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<v Speaker 5>to communicate with anybody. They described this experience as solitary confinement.

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<v Speaker 5>De Tension center officials call it disciplinary segregation.

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<v Speaker 6>The first day was fine. The second day, I was

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<v Speaker 6>starting to feel numb, and I remember thinking of just

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<v Speaker 6>turning on the faucet and letting the hot water run

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<v Speaker 6>and use like leaving my hand there and feeling like

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<v Speaker 6>this thing of the hot water, to at least feel something.

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<v Speaker 1>Lulu was kept right next door to Marie Anez, but

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<v Speaker 1>that didn't make things easier.

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<v Speaker 6>They would give us spatten food, spoiled milk, so you

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<v Speaker 6>would be really hungry, and all I would do is

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<v Speaker 6>just lay in my bed and think about food and

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<v Speaker 6>not even think about how it would taste. This just

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<v Speaker 6>like the texture of food, the color of food, the smell.

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<v Speaker 5>On the third day, Maria Ynez told the guards that

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<v Speaker 5>she was feeling suicidal.

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<v Speaker 6>There was a guard that would pass by like every

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<v Speaker 6>two hours, and I told her that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 6>hurt myself and that I was really afraid in that

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<v Speaker 6>I wanted to talk to my mom.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, she said it to try to convince them

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<v Speaker 1>to let her call her mom.

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<v Speaker 6>But then when I knew there was no way out,

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<v Speaker 6>then it just became a reality.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that the first time in your life that you

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<v Speaker 1>had said or thought that you wanted to hurt yourself.

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<v Speaker 6>I was just afraid. I was twenty one. I just

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to come back home.

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<v Speaker 1>And the only thing that mad Yinez could do in

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<v Speaker 1>solitary all day long was to read the Harry Potter

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<v Speaker 1>books she had taken out from the detention center library.

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<v Speaker 6>Harry Potter, Help me not kill myself.

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<v Speaker 5>That was all I had.

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<v Speaker 6>And that was also all I had when I was

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<v Speaker 6>growing up and I had to learn English so I

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<v Speaker 6>would stop getting bullied. So it was like a nice

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<v Speaker 6>reminder of home. I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>Why are you apologizing, Mamita.

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<v Speaker 13>Because I'm an Estic Warrior? Estic Warriors don't cry.

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<v Speaker 1>On Latino Usa. Will the Dream nine get out of detention?

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<v Speaker 1>Stay with us?

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<v Speaker 12>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Latino USA. I'm Maria no Josa Today

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<v Speaker 1>with producers Antonia, Serejilo, and Marlon Bishop. When we left off,

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<v Speaker 1>a group of undocumented student activists called the Dream Nine

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<v Speaker 1>were being held at a detention facility in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 7>Here's Antonia, So Maria Nis and Lulu were placed in

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<v Speaker 7>solitary confinement, and Madiais was struggling with daily thoughts of suicide.

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<v Speaker 7>They had no idea when they'd be let go, and

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<v Speaker 7>they were losing hope quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside Nia, the activist group that organized the action was

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<v Speaker 1>making calls for their release.

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<v Speaker 7>Lulu says it came out of nowhere. Guard took her

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<v Speaker 7>out of her cell and into a room with the

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<v Speaker 7>other Dream Nine women.

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<v Speaker 11>We changed back into our clothes and then we were

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<v Speaker 11>driven about an hour outside of Eloi, and then we

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<v Speaker 11>were released in a parking lot, a random parking lot.

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<v Speaker 7>So called Dream Nine walking out two weeks later wearing

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<v Speaker 7>the same graduation gowns they wore with.

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<v Speaker 11>The way in which we were released was really weird.

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<v Speaker 11>We weren't sure if that was the regular process for

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<v Speaker 11>people being released, but it was also kind of incredible.

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<v Speaker 7>Asylum seekers are generally kept in detention for a few months,

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<v Speaker 7>some are kept for years. The Dream Nine spent a

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<v Speaker 7>total of seventeen days behind bars. Some believe the Obama

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<v Speaker 7>administration wanted to get them out to avoid the story

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<v Speaker 7>from blowing up.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because this whole thing was going on while the

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<v Speaker 1>debate on comprehensive immigration reform was raging in Congress.

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<v Speaker 7>The Senate passed a bill that would have provided a

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<v Speaker 7>path to legalization for immigrants, but it wasn't clear if

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<v Speaker 7>the House was even going to put the bill up

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<v Speaker 7>for a vote.

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<v Speaker 1>Some felt that the Dream Nine were stirring the pot

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<v Speaker 1>at a bad time.

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<v Speaker 14>Well, I support the Dream Nine.

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<v Speaker 5>I support their passion, their commitment to immigration reform.

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<v Speaker 4>That wasn't my issue.

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<v Speaker 5>I took issue with the tactics.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, you saw that.

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<v Speaker 7>That's David Leopold, the former president of the American Immigration

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<v Speaker 7>Lawyers Association. He felt the Dream Nine could hurt efforts

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<v Speaker 7>to get immigration reform through Congress, that they made the

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<v Speaker 7>movement look too radical.

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<v Speaker 1>But from Lulu's perspective, allies suddenly became enemies.

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<v Speaker 11>It was really upsetting to see that actually we counted

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<v Speaker 11>on Latin far fewer people than what we thought.

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<v Speaker 1>But ultimately members of NIA were not going to wait

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<v Speaker 1>to see what Congress would decide they were actually going

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<v Speaker 1>to get people back into the US, and they had

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<v Speaker 1>already proven that they could do.

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<v Speaker 7>That, and this allowed NIA to dream bigger for their

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<v Speaker 7>next action. Now that the Dream nine had been released,

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<v Speaker 7>they decided to do the Dream thirty.

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<v Speaker 4>We're in graduation gowns.

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<v Speaker 1>Some thirty Mexican activists who were rised in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States walked across the Rio Bravo Bridge, crossing between Mexico

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<v Speaker 1>and the United States, and one of the Dream thirty

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<v Speaker 1>participants was a young woman named Marcella Espinosa Diegos, who

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<v Speaker 1>goes by Marseille. She wanted to return from Mexico to

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<v Speaker 1>her family in Chicago, where she grew up.

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<v Speaker 7>Lulu is also from Chicago, although the two had never met,

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<v Speaker 7>but as an organizer with NIA, Lulu spent a lot

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<v Speaker 7>of time on the phone with Marseille while she was

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<v Speaker 7>in detention.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the truth is, we thought that those conversations might

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<v Speaker 1>be deep political conversations for support, but in fact, Antonia,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're in detention and you're calling Lulu for some

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<v Speaker 1>source of support.

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<v Speaker 8>And talk about cats.

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<v Speaker 1>They talk about cats. The steaks are super high. She

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't know whether she's going to get out or get deported.

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<v Speaker 15>And then we would talk about like the perks of

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<v Speaker 15>bank a cat person, right like that we could recognize

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<v Speaker 15>like they're different meals, like the scratches, like literally like

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<v Speaker 15>the whole nine yards or like being cat people, and

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<v Speaker 15>that's what we would talk about during our extensive phone calls.

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<v Speaker 1>And they kind of fall for each other well I don't.

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<v Speaker 11>Know, maybe look and then it was like yeah, it.

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<v Speaker 15>Was like it was like it was like friendly flirting.

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<v Speaker 1>After Marse was finally released from the tension and got

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<v Speaker 1>back to Chicago, she and Lulu started dating and now

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<v Speaker 1>they're a couple. But five of the Dream thirty didn't

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<v Speaker 1>make it. They were refused asylum and deported.

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<v Speaker 7>But with that success rate, NIA members thought no even bigger,

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<v Speaker 7>and so they went all out for their third campaign,

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<v Speaker 7>the Dream one fifty.

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<v Speaker 1>This time it wasn't just about young students, it was

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<v Speaker 1>adults too.

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<v Speaker 7>But the Dream one fifty was much less successful than

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<v Speaker 7>the previous bring Them Home campaigns.

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<v Speaker 11>After the third campaign, there were a lot of bridges

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<v Speaker 11>that were burnt. I think it's a certain extent simple

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<v Speaker 11>auticians just didn't want to work with MO Specifically, NIA

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<v Speaker 11>gained a negative reputation.

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<v Speaker 1>The most public flame out was between NIA leader Mohammad

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<v Speaker 1>Abdulahi or MO and Congressman Louis Gutiris from Chicago. Guthiras

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<v Speaker 1>had been a major supporter and even spoke on the

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<v Speaker 1>floor of Congress on behalf of the Dream nine, but

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<v Speaker 1>during the Dream thirty, Gutirrez's office put out a statement

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<v Speaker 1>saying they would be cutting ties with NIA.

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<v Speaker 7>He accused NIA of being racist, putting young people in

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<v Speaker 7>harm's way, and even manipulating the families they work with.

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<v Speaker 1>NIA members shot back in their own statement, basically calling

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<v Speaker 1>Luis Gutiriz a sellout who doesn't actually care about Mexicans.

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<v Speaker 7>That he is the quote Moses of Latino's as long

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<v Speaker 7>as they are the humble kind that work in US kitchens.

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<v Speaker 7>But if they have a voice and challenge him, then

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<v Speaker 7>he stops caring. To this day, Mohammad really doesn't see

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<v Speaker 7>any problem with his tactics.

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<v Speaker 9>I don't consider any of the work that we've done

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<v Speaker 9>controversial myself as controversial, and I think the reality is

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<v Speaker 9>is that sometimes people are just not ready to understand.

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<v Speaker 7>After the Dream one fifty, with support for NIA petering out,

0:38:09.440 --> 0:38:11.200
<v Speaker 7>the campaigns ended and.

0:38:11.360 --> 0:38:14.000
<v Speaker 1>In the wake of the Dream Actions, the Dream nine,

0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:17.480
<v Speaker 1>the Dream thirty, and finally the Dream one fifty, there

0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.320
<v Speaker 1>was kind of a question mark about what just happened.

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<v Speaker 1>Was this good or bad for the immigrant rights movement? Marlon,

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<v Speaker 1>you spoke with somebody tied to the Dream nine.

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<v Speaker 5>That's right. I spoke with Margot Cohen, who was the

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<v Speaker 5>Dream nine's lawyer, and this is what she said.

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<v Speaker 12>We have never figured out a statutory scheme that deals

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<v Speaker 12>with the admission of non citizens in a way that

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<v Speaker 12>makes sense.

0:38:42.400 --> 0:38:46.360
<v Speaker 5>That's lawyeries for saying. Our immigration system has never functioned

0:38:46.400 --> 0:38:49.239
<v Speaker 5>in a way that's realistic. There have always been more

0:38:49.280 --> 0:38:51.200
<v Speaker 5>people who are living and working here than the official

0:38:51.280 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 5>rules have allowed for. Margo explains that once every generation,

0:38:54.760 --> 0:38:57.239
<v Speaker 5>the government has granted legal status to large numbers of

0:38:57.320 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 5>undocumented people what today is called amnesty. It happened in

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<v Speaker 5>forty eight and seventy six, and then finally the famous

0:39:03.520 --> 0:39:06.760
<v Speaker 5>Reagan Amnesty of nineteen eighty six, which gave two point

0:39:06.840 --> 0:39:08.920
<v Speaker 5>nine million people legal status.

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<v Speaker 12>Every generation, we have to regularize everybody, and we haven't

0:39:12.960 --> 0:39:15.719
<v Speaker 12>done it for now more than a generation, because the

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 12>last time we did it was in eighty six. So

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<v Speaker 12>this is the first time that we have US produced thinkers,

0:39:23.600 --> 0:39:26.680
<v Speaker 12>activists who just happened to not be American, but for

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:31.239
<v Speaker 12>all intents and purposes are Americans and think like Americans.

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:33.319
<v Speaker 12>Christian government like Americans.

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:37.040
<v Speaker 5>And Marco's point is that the Dreamers also protest like Americans.

0:39:37.200 --> 0:39:40.120
<v Speaker 5>They kind of feel entitled, as young Americans do, to

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<v Speaker 5>demand rights.

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<v Speaker 7>And if you talk to people who follow the immigration

0:39:43.560 --> 0:39:46.439
<v Speaker 7>debate closely, they'll tell you that the dreamer activists made

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<v Speaker 7>a big impact.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the only thing that's really happened in immigration

0:39:51.000 --> 0:39:53.960
<v Speaker 4>in the last few years has been because of their

0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 4>sit ins and because they're brazen tactics.

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<v Speaker 7>This is Cindy Gargamo, an immigration reporter for the La Times,

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<v Speaker 7>And looking back.

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<v Speaker 4>I think that you will see the dreamer movement as

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<v Speaker 4>instrumental in anything that really does happen.

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<v Speaker 1>And there are a lot of people who feel like

0:40:07.640 --> 0:40:10.799
<v Speaker 1>the Dreamers were able to make the issue more relatable

0:40:10.960 --> 0:40:13.520
<v Speaker 1>to non Latinos and non immigrants.

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<v Speaker 5>Exactly because it's kind of like this could be your son,

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:18.319
<v Speaker 5>this could be your daughter. You know, they're just like

0:40:18.360 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 5>all other Americans in a way, right.

0:40:20.160 --> 0:40:21.880
<v Speaker 7>But there's also a flip side to that, which I

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 7>talked about with Cindy. The one big critique within the

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:26.960
<v Speaker 7>immigrant rights movement of the Dreamers is that they created

0:40:26.960 --> 0:40:28.880
<v Speaker 7>a pretty narrow definition of who should be allowed to

0:40:28.920 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 7>stay in this country.

0:40:30.239 --> 0:40:34.160
<v Speaker 4>The activists really pushed this mold this like perfect child,

0:40:34.239 --> 0:40:37.759
<v Speaker 4>What a waste of a mind? Right, And because they

0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 4>really pushed this so hard, they left a whole contingent

0:40:41.320 --> 0:40:42.720
<v Speaker 4>of people behind.

0:40:42.640 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 7>People like mothers or families, or people with low level offenses.

0:40:46.080 --> 0:40:48.359
<v Speaker 7>I mean, the idea is either you're like the valedictorian

0:40:48.400 --> 0:40:49.799
<v Speaker 7>of a school, or you shouldn't be.

0:40:49.800 --> 0:40:50.320
<v Speaker 6>In the US.

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<v Speaker 1>The irony now is that Dreamers, these young people who

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 1>were able to achieve a kind of legal status through dhaka,

0:40:57.480 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>now they're worried that they might be targeted pecifically since

0:41:01.080 --> 0:41:05.080
<v Speaker 1>the government has their paperwork. But what about the Dream nine.

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<v Speaker 1>Was it effective?

0:41:07.200 --> 0:41:07.359
<v Speaker 3>Well?

0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 5>There were those who said no, this was radical, it

0:41:09.840 --> 0:41:11.960
<v Speaker 5>was poorly thought out, but there were a lot of

0:41:11.960 --> 0:41:14.960
<v Speaker 5>supporters as well. And Margot Cohen, who was the lawyer

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.400
<v Speaker 5>for the Dream nine, well, she says the action was

0:41:17.520 --> 0:41:19.360
<v Speaker 5>exactly what the movement needed at the time.

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<v Speaker 12>In a democracy, when you installed public policy, you have

0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 12>to ignite it, and that's what these young people, did

0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:28.960
<v Speaker 12>you know? And if you think you're just going to

0:41:29.040 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 12>sit back and it's going to come your way, well

0:41:31.000 --> 0:41:33.600
<v Speaker 12>I don't know where you live, because that's not the

0:41:33.600 --> 0:41:34.840
<v Speaker 12>way democracy works.

0:41:35.120 --> 0:41:37.760
<v Speaker 1>And if you ask Mohammed whether the Dream nine was effective,

0:41:37.960 --> 0:41:41.080
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't give a big lofty speech about immigration policy.

0:41:41.239 --> 0:41:44.200
<v Speaker 9>It delivered everything I was supposed to deliver because those

0:41:44.280 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 9>nine individuals who partook in it are now moving on

0:41:47.000 --> 0:41:47.680
<v Speaker 9>with their lives.

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:49.800
<v Speaker 5>And yes, it's true the Dream Nine are in the

0:41:49.880 --> 0:41:53.400
<v Speaker 5>United States, but their situations are really complicated.

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<v Speaker 11>I have my next merits hearing, which is when I

0:41:57.840 --> 0:42:01.919
<v Speaker 11>present like the arguments or my asylum case, and that's

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:04.720
<v Speaker 11>April twenty five, twenty eighteen.

0:42:05.320 --> 0:42:07.839
<v Speaker 1>So if Lulu hadn't left the country to take part

0:42:07.840 --> 0:42:10.480
<v Speaker 1>in the Dream Nine, she actually at this point would

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:12.680
<v Speaker 1>have been eligible for DAKA, which would have given her

0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:15.719
<v Speaker 1>permission to stay in the country. But instead, now she's

0:42:15.719 --> 0:42:18.280
<v Speaker 1>got a fight for her asylum case, and the chances

0:42:18.320 --> 0:42:20.360
<v Speaker 1>that she's going to get it they're not great.

0:42:20.560 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 5>Lulu's legal strategy now is to keep delaying her hearing

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 5>and hoping immigration reform happens someday in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>So was it worth it?

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<v Speaker 11>I would like to think that it was worth the

0:42:38.080 --> 0:42:41.440
<v Speaker 11>entire action. Was worth it to witness firsthand the conditions

0:42:41.440 --> 0:42:45.480
<v Speaker 11>of the detention center, to go back to Mexico to

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.439
<v Speaker 11>see my family. Yeah, I think it was worth it.

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<v Speaker 7>But at the same time, the experience kind of soured

0:42:51.600 --> 0:42:52.680
<v Speaker 7>her on activism.

0:42:53.239 --> 0:42:57.200
<v Speaker 11>I wouldn't consider myself an organizer anymore. I think after

0:42:57.239 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 11>I came back from Eloy, I had a lot of

0:43:00.200 --> 0:43:03.280
<v Speaker 11>processing to do. I didn't like how I was feeling,

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:06.040
<v Speaker 11>and I think at that point too, where I realized

0:43:06.120 --> 0:43:09.840
<v Speaker 11>how unhealthy organizing could be and I just could not

0:43:09.960 --> 0:43:11.160
<v Speaker 11>be on that path anymore.

0:43:11.960 --> 0:43:15.239
<v Speaker 1>And Lulu's not the only one. In fact, Lisbeth has

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.160
<v Speaker 1>also stepped back from her organizing work.

0:43:17.280 --> 0:43:19.000
<v Speaker 2>So I'm studying my third year of law school, so

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:21.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm just kinda concentrated on that for now and then

0:43:21.840 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 2>taking the bar and hopefully passing it the first time.

0:43:24.600 --> 0:43:28.000
<v Speaker 7>Muhammad is still working in immigration, but he's dialed it

0:43:28.040 --> 0:43:28.760
<v Speaker 7>down a lot.

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<v Speaker 9>There is nothing pleasurable about being an activist. I don't

0:43:33.040 --> 0:43:37.640
<v Speaker 9>enjoy being an organizer, being active in the immigrant world,

0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 9>and I wish I had never googled the Dream Act.

0:43:40.680 --> 0:43:44.240
<v Speaker 9>Part of the reason why there haven't been any great

0:43:44.280 --> 0:43:47.640
<v Speaker 9>wins in the immigrant rights movement in decades. Is because

0:43:47.960 --> 0:43:50.560
<v Speaker 9>people become active for a year, get really pumped up,

0:43:50.640 --> 0:43:54.160
<v Speaker 9>get really involved, get defeated, get beat up, and then

0:43:54.200 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 9>they move on.

0:43:55.960 --> 0:43:59.240
<v Speaker 7>These activists did this big thing, and now they feel

0:43:59.280 --> 0:44:01.160
<v Speaker 7>really defeated and discouraged.

0:44:01.560 --> 0:44:04.520
<v Speaker 1>But on the other hand, there's Maria Nis. So this

0:44:04.680 --> 0:44:05.239
<v Speaker 1>is Shirley As.

0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:06.400
<v Speaker 6>This is Shirley A.

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<v Speaker 1>Recently, Marlon Antonia and I went to Revere, Massachusetts to

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.600
<v Speaker 1>see how Maria Inis is doing these days. Ravera is

0:44:13.600 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>a suburb of Boston where Mariais grew up, and walking

0:44:17.239 --> 0:44:19.560
<v Speaker 1>around with her was like walking around with the mayor.

0:44:19.960 --> 0:44:21.680
<v Speaker 1>She seems to know everybody.

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<v Speaker 8>Hidja go in the WII office.

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<v Speaker 6>Okay, this is Maria Maria.

0:44:26.440 --> 0:44:27.399
<v Speaker 8>This is station Hi.

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:30.759
<v Speaker 6>Sure true, I will talk to you by.

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<v Speaker 5>When Maria Ni first got back to Boston, she had

0:44:34.000 --> 0:44:37.520
<v Speaker 5>a rough start, no money, crashing on couches, but she

0:44:37.600 --> 0:44:40.239
<v Speaker 5>did have a college scholarship, and now she's found a

0:44:40.320 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 5>job she really loves.

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 6>On the left, hidden behind this wall.

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<v Speaker 8>Is my office.

0:44:46.200 --> 0:44:50.000
<v Speaker 1>Maria Nis has a job as a community organizer working

0:44:50.040 --> 0:44:51.520
<v Speaker 1>with immigrant and refugee women.

0:44:52.680 --> 0:44:54.839
<v Speaker 7>Before she was part of the Dream nine. Maria Nis

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 7>wasn't very politically minded. She was just a girl who

0:44:57.560 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 7>wanted to go to college. But everything she went through

0:45:00.360 --> 0:45:03.279
<v Speaker 7>at the detention center gave her a new perspective and

0:45:03.360 --> 0:45:04.080
<v Speaker 7>a new purpose.

0:45:04.239 --> 0:45:08.479
<v Speaker 6>I think the main concept of fighting for was right,

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:13.319
<v Speaker 6>even if it means putting your life at risk. That's

0:45:13.320 --> 0:45:16.800
<v Speaker 6>something that I've learned from my country. That's something that

0:45:16.840 --> 0:45:18.879
<v Speaker 6>I've learned from the United States, and that's why I'm

0:45:18.880 --> 0:45:19.919
<v Speaker 6>doing the work that I'm doing.

0:45:20.239 --> 0:45:23.239
<v Speaker 5>But detension has left scars on Marius as well. She

0:45:23.280 --> 0:45:26.480
<v Speaker 5>still gets panic attacks. She's been diagnosed with PTSD.

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I asked marias the same question that I asked Lulu.

0:45:31.160 --> 0:45:34.640
<v Speaker 1>Was it all worth it? Leaving her family, the fear,

0:45:35.000 --> 0:45:37.680
<v Speaker 1>the solitary confinement, the panic.

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 6>Attacks, Everything I have right now would have not existed

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 6>if I would have not made that decision of going back.

0:45:43.880 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 6>And yes it's horrible, Yes I'm still digesting it and

0:45:49.040 --> 0:45:53.640
<v Speaker 6>fighting my demons, but I was meant to stand up

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.880
<v Speaker 6>in that cafeteria and give out those phone numbers, and

0:45:56.920 --> 0:45:58.359
<v Speaker 6>I won't ever take that back.

0:46:00.080 --> 0:46:02.360
<v Speaker 1>Is there a part of you that thinks back and says,

0:46:02.600 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 1>how could NIA have done that? How could they have

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:11.080
<v Speaker 1>involved you. A kid essentially didn't know a whole lot.

0:46:12.200 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 6>I don't blame them. We were all kids and we

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:22.040
<v Speaker 6>did what we thought was right. If I had lose

0:46:22.080 --> 0:46:25.680
<v Speaker 6>Weevo's that Muhammad had to do that, I think I

0:46:25.719 --> 0:46:27.600
<v Speaker 6>would have done that too.

0:46:27.840 --> 0:46:31.480
<v Speaker 1>Mariaeynez is moving forward in her life, but her future

0:46:31.480 --> 0:46:34.200
<v Speaker 1>in the United States still remains uncertain.

0:46:34.520 --> 0:46:37.040
<v Speaker 5>And that's true for all the Dreamers DAKA the Diet

0:46:37.120 --> 0:46:39.160
<v Speaker 5>version of the Dream Act we talked about that Obama

0:46:39.200 --> 0:46:42.319
<v Speaker 5>created by executive order. It's not a pathway to citizenship.

0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 5>It's temporary relief from deportation and a work permit. The

0:46:45.600 --> 0:46:47.480
<v Speaker 5>next president could get rid of it with the snap

0:46:47.520 --> 0:46:49.759
<v Speaker 5>of their fingers, just as Obama created it with the

0:46:49.800 --> 0:46:50.479
<v Speaker 5>snap of his.

0:46:50.920 --> 0:46:53.600
<v Speaker 7>And even if some version of the Dream Act passes

0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:56.840
<v Speaker 7>one day, it would not protect their parents. All the

0:46:56.880 --> 0:46:59.399
<v Speaker 7>Dreamers can do is have faith that somehow it will

0:46:59.400 --> 0:47:00.720
<v Speaker 7>all work out in the future.

0:47:01.320 --> 0:47:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Before we left Revere in Massachusetts, Marinis took us to

0:47:05.719 --> 0:47:06.400
<v Speaker 1>see something.

0:47:07.000 --> 0:47:10.880
<v Speaker 8>So the mural is it's kind of surely.

0:47:10.600 --> 0:47:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Have It's a mural where are you?

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:15.200
<v Speaker 6>I am all the way over here?

0:47:15.400 --> 0:47:19.920
<v Speaker 1>It's a panorama of Revere in Massachusetts. The stores, the

0:47:19.960 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 1>seashore in the distance, and the people that make up

0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the town.

0:47:23.640 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 6>Wait, so this is you graduating since they remember me

0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:29.080
<v Speaker 6>crossing the border. We're in my cap and gown. They

0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.120
<v Speaker 6>decided to drew me. We're in my cap and gown.

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:34.080
<v Speaker 6>So that's me reaching out to community and like just

0:47:34.160 --> 0:47:38.160
<v Speaker 6>advocating and talk about immigrants' rights. Now that I'm back

0:47:38.160 --> 0:47:41.000
<v Speaker 6>in Revere and I'm working and I'm doing the same

0:47:41.080 --> 0:47:43.719
<v Speaker 6>job that the mural is saying that I should be doing.

0:47:44.160 --> 0:47:47.960
<v Speaker 6>I feel proud coming every morning getting off from the

0:47:48.000 --> 0:47:51.800
<v Speaker 6>tea and having that remembrance every day of like, remember

0:47:51.840 --> 0:47:55.800
<v Speaker 6>why you're here, remember where you're back. How many people

0:47:55.840 --> 0:47:57.680
<v Speaker 6>can say that they're in a mural in the city

0:47:57.680 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 6>where they grew up.

0:48:04.120 --> 0:48:08.400
<v Speaker 1>For Maria Nis, Revere is home. The US is home.

0:48:08.840 --> 0:48:11.120
<v Speaker 1>It's where she wakes up every day and where she

0:48:11.320 --> 0:48:14.640
<v Speaker 1>dreams every night. But it's a home that as of now,

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 1>isn't sure it wants her there. When it will make

0:48:17.239 --> 0:48:21.359
<v Speaker 1>up its mind, nobody knows. For now, Maria Nis is

0:48:21.440 --> 0:48:41.680
<v Speaker 1>living in limbo, just like she always has. This episode

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