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Speaker 1: From Fudromidia and PRX. It's Latino USA. I'm marian no

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Speaker 1: Josa Today the story of the Dream Nine, a group

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Speaker 1: of young undocumented activists who in twenty thirteen staged one

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Speaker 1: of the riskiest protests in the history of the immigration

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Speaker 1: rights movement in the United States. Welcome to Latino, USA.

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Speaker 1: I'm Maria no Josa. For the so called Dreamers, undocumented

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Speaker 1: young people, life in the United States is a constant limbo.

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Speaker 1: They arrived in the United States as children and made

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Speaker 1: this country their only home, many times even unaware that

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Speaker 1: they were undocumented. Today, a lot of Dreamers are enrolled

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Speaker 1: in a program known as DHAKA, or Deferred Action for

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Speaker 1: Childhood Arrivals, which has allowed them to work, study, and

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Speaker 1: live in the United States dates with identification and less

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Speaker 1: fear of deportation. But in twenty seventeen, then President Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump tried to fulfill his campaign promise of rescinding the

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Speaker 1: DOCA program entirely program established by his predecessor, President Barack

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Speaker 1: Obama in twenty twelve, after the case reached the Supreme

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Speaker 1: Court in twenty twenty, Trump was unable to terminate the program. Then,

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, President Joe Biden's administration renewed DACA,

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Speaker 1: but following that renewal, a Texas District court ruled that

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Speaker 1: DOCA was unconstitutional. In September of twenty twenty three, the

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Speaker 1: Texas Court found the program illegal once again, and while

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Speaker 1: advocates have tried to reverse this ruling, the Fifth Circuit

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Speaker 1: Court of Appeals has also deemed DOCA unlawful, so the

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Speaker 1: case could end up back at the Supreme Court. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: as Dreamers keep fighting to keep DOCA alive with legal challenges,

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Speaker 1: the program is allowed to continue. Well, we hear at

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Speaker 1: Latino USA wanted to revisit an episode that we originally

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Speaker 1: ran in the year twenty fifteen, just about a decade ago.

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Speaker 1: It's about a group of activists known as the Dream Nine,

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Speaker 1: and while the Dream Nine are not DACA recipients, we're

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Speaker 1: going to tell you why. Their story shows what's at

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Speaker 1: stake for a lot of young people who have grown

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Speaker 1: up in this country and continue to dream of a

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Speaker 1: life in the United States and now with a very

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Speaker 1: uncertain future.

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Speaker 2: Hirawan, this is Lisa bed I'm making this video from Mexico.

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Speaker 2: I know it's going to sound a little crazy and

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Speaker 2: to be honest, I still can't believe that I'm here.

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Speaker 1: This is a YouTube video posted in the summer of

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen. In the video, Lisbette Matteo is looking straight

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Speaker 1: at the camera wearing a shirt that says the Dream

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Speaker 1: is Coming in big block letters.

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Speaker 3: I came to.

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Speaker 2: Tahaka knowing that the US govern might not allow.

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Speaker 4: Me to go back.

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Speaker 1: Lisbeth was brought to the US as a fourteen year

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Speaker 1: old kid without papers, which means that visiting Mexico leaving

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Speaker 1: the United States could put her at risk for never

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Speaker 1: being able to come back, to come back to her studies.

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Speaker 1: She was putting it all on the line, going to

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Speaker 1: Mexico for the first time in fifteen years to take

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Speaker 1: part in one of the most daring displays of activism

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Speaker 1: in over a generation, something that would take the immigration

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Speaker 1: debate to brand new territory, something called the Dream Nine.

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Speaker 1: The young immigrants known as the Dream Nine remain in nine,

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Speaker 1: if they've come to be known, were brought here as

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Speaker 1: childrenn as the Dream nine, or arrested last month after

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Speaker 1: crossing the border from Mexico. On July twenty second, twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: Lisbeth and eight other undocumented young people walked up to

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Speaker 1: immigration officers in Nogles, Arizona, asking for re entry into

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Speaker 1: the United States. The young activists formed a line, arms linked,

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Speaker 1: wearing their graduation caps and gowns, the unofficial symbol of

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Speaker 1: the Dreamer movement. They were asking for political asylum, but

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Speaker 1: the action landed all nine in an immigration detention center.

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Speaker 1: Today's show, we're spending our entire hour on the story

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Speaker 1: of the Dream Nine, basically a bunch of kids who

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Speaker 1: were willing to risk everything to make a very bold

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Speaker 1: political statement. Our producers Antonia Serejido, Marlon Bishop, and I

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Speaker 1: traveled across the country to interview members of the Dream Nine.

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Speaker 1: You'll be hearing from them throughout the episode.

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Speaker 5: Hey Maria, So our story starts not at the border,

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Speaker 5: not with Lizabeth, but many years before in Mexico City,

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Speaker 5: when it ten year old girl named Maria Ines Benice

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Speaker 5: boarded an airplane a stuffed animal cradled in her arms.

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Speaker 6: I bigly remember we landed in Texas like I had

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Speaker 6: three backpacks across my chest, a roly backpack in Trumpita's

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Speaker 1: Marine's parents were struggling in Mexico City.

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Speaker 5: Then her dad got an opportunity through a friend to

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Speaker 1: They came on a tourist visa, but with intentions to stay.

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Speaker 1: Little Maria wasn't pleased.

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Speaker 6: But my mom asked me to give it a chance,

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Speaker 5: The family settled in Revere, a working class suburb of Boston.

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Speaker 5: At first, Marianez hated it.

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Speaker 6: Everybody looks down at me because I'm in the bilingual class,

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Speaker 1: But eventually, as kids do, Maria Nez adapted. She learned

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Speaker 6: Now I can say this, I lived the golden era

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Speaker 6: of reggaeton.

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Speaker 7: So.

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Speaker 6: Back then it was cool to be Latino. Everybody wanted

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Speaker 6: to learn how to dance reggaeton and speak in Spanish

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Speaker 6: because like, oh my god, like you're speaking to each

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Speaker 6: other in another language that the adults don't understand, and

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Speaker 5: During this time, Maria had no idea that she was undocumented.

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Speaker 6: I think that by the time I hit eighth grade,

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Speaker 6: I already felt like, this is my country, this is

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Speaker 5: So it was cool.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, my Regaton Golden era was cool.

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Speaker 1: When did things start to not be so cool?

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Speaker 6: So this would be junior year of high school.

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Speaker 5: Her dad lost his job and at the same time,

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Speaker 5: her mom became really sick and had to stop working.

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Speaker 5: Suddenly there wasn't any money coming into the household, and

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Speaker 5: I was like.

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Speaker 6: Okay, Dad, well I want to get a job. I

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Speaker 6: want to help you guys out. But I've been looking

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Speaker 6: at places and they're asking me for my Social Security number.

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Speaker 8: That's when we had.

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Speaker 1: To talk money. I went down to East Boston and

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Speaker 1: bought a fake social Security card. Then she took those

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Speaker 1: fake papers to McDonald's and got an after school job

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Speaker 5: And this whole time, she had a plan finish high

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Speaker 6: I was going to move to New York City and

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Speaker 6: go to Marymount Manhattan College, and I would watch Sex

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Speaker 6: and the City every night before going to sleep. I'm like, yes,

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Speaker 6: I am going to be this like independent, like strong

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Speaker 5: Maria and Ness didn't really understand how big of a

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Speaker 5: just meant she had to go through a different process

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Speaker 5: to get a job, that's all. It finally dawned on

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Speaker 1: She went to meet with her guidance counselor to talk

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Speaker 5: And then, in just a few words, the counselor destroyed

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Speaker 6: We're so sorry, Maria, it looks like college is not

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Speaker 6: going to be an option for you. And I was

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Speaker 6: really upset on my parents. Why didn't you tell me

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Speaker 6: this before? Why didn't you try to do something sooner?

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Speaker 8: Why? Why why didn't you do anything? And then I

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Speaker 8: called Mary Mount Manhattan. They were like, well, if you

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Speaker 8: have thirty six thousand dollars in your bank account showing

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Speaker 8: us that you're going to be able to pay for school,

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Speaker 8: then well we'll see you in the fall. If not,

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Speaker 8: let us know when you have that. And then out

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Speaker 8: of the blue, a teacher reach out to me.

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Speaker 1: A recruiter from Pine Manor College in the Boston area

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Speaker 5: Shortly after, Maria Ynes and her dad went into the

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Speaker 5: financial aid office to talk about a plan for how

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Speaker 5: they could possibly pay for school.

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Speaker 6: My dad was just like looking at me, and I

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Speaker 6: was looking at my dad, and I was like, Dad,

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Speaker 6: I really want this, Like Dad, this is.

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Speaker 8: Such a good opportunity for me.

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Speaker 6: And we were on the campus, you know, so we

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Speaker 6: really want to go here. He's like, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know, Mikha, let's see, let's see until I guess.

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Speaker 6: My dad just broke down and he didn't know what

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Speaker 6: It's really hard for me to pay all of this.

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Speaker 6: But if you won, I can come and clean bathrooms.

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Speaker 6: My wife and I can come and just do you know,

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Speaker 6: like clean or do whatever you want us to do.

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Speaker 6: We just want our daughter to come here.

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Speaker 1: The financial aid officer was really moved and offered Marie

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Speaker 1: She started in the fall.

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Speaker 5: Maria Yes loved college, but after a year and a half,

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Speaker 1: Suddenly it felt like the walls were closing in on

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Speaker 6: Why are we struggling to get by to survive. Why

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Speaker 6: don't we just go back to Mexico. Why don't we

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Speaker 1: Soon the family was on a plane headed to Mexico City,

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Speaker 6: Once more, as soon as I stepped out of that

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Speaker 6: I was like, Mom, what.

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Speaker 8: Do we do?

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Speaker 6: Look around? Where are we?

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Speaker 8: And she was just like, no, no, Mikai, it's okay.

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Speaker 5: Marianes found a job at a call center helping Americans

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Speaker 1: Things in Mexico kept getting worse. First, she was sexually

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Speaker 1: assaulted by one of the managers at work. Then at home,

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Speaker 1: a cousin's husband tried to molest her and afterwards he

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Speaker 5: Maria Ess had hoped Mexico would feel like home, but

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Speaker 5: it didn't. She says she felt very afraid all the time.

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Speaker 1: And then she got a call.

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Speaker 5: It was from a friend back in Boston. She had

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Speaker 5: heard that some activists were planning something big at the

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Speaker 5: the so called dreamers, back into the United States. She

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Speaker 5: gave Marines a number to dial. A guy picked up.

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Speaker 6: He was like, Okay, I can't tell you much because

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Speaker 6: people's lives at a risk. Blow I can tell you

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Speaker 6: is that if you want to be part of this,

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Speaker 6: we're gonna try to bring you guys back home. You

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Speaker 6: need to be in Noga Les, Mexico tomorrow morning. And

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Speaker 6: I was like, holy crap, what am I going to

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Speaker 1: It sounded crazy, but Marinez was miserable in Mexico. All

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Speaker 6: At first, it was sad saying bye to my family

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Speaker 1: Madia flew to the border town of Nogales, Mexico to

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Speaker 6: I met Lulu, Lisbeth, and Marcos, which were the kids

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Speaker 1: Lulu Martinez, Lisbeth, Matteo and Marcos Savedra. They were all

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Speaker 1: NIA was the organization behind the Dream Nine. Like Mariegnez, Lulu,

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Speaker 6: Like we did this spiritual thing where everything was by candlelight,

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Speaker 1: They even had a legal team to help them through

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Speaker 1: Yes I did, Hey Antonia, Hey Madia. So we heard

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Speaker 7: And what struck me so much about Lizabeth in talking

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Speaker 2: I think I became active and started organizing out of necessity,

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Speaker 7: Lizabeth was one of the many young people who took

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Speaker 1: The term Dreamer comes from the Dream Act, a bill

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Speaker 9: Both the House and said it could begin debate this

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Speaker 9: The bill would create a path to citizenship for un.

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Speaker 1: Lisbeth was one of the millions of young people who

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Speaker 2: I met a group of undocumented students that had been

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Speaker 7: One of those students was Mohammed ABDULLAHI.

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Speaker 2: When I'm Muhammed, who was the shyest person ever, but

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Speaker 10: I'm Heatherawas we told you just moments ago. Protesters stirring

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Speaker 7: In May of twenty ten, Lizbeth and Muhammad participated at

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Speaker 1: There was momentum building in the Dreamer movement rallies in DC, Chicago,

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Speaker 11: The people that we had either started to be friends

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Speaker 1: And finally, in December twenty ten, a huge victory born

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Speaker 6: The Dream Act. It would have offered a path to citizens.

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Speaker 1: It failed in the Senate. The activists were devastated. Without

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Speaker 7: That meant more direct actions, more sit ins, more hunger strikes,

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Speaker 1: In twenty twelve, two years after the Dream Act had failed,

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Speaker 7: And DACA was basically a diet version of the Dream Act.

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Speaker 1: NIA wanted to go beyond DACA. They wanted to stop

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Speaker 9: I remember calling Elizabeth and just asking her if if

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Speaker 1: The organization was getting tweets and Facebook messages from young

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Speaker 1: And before anyone could think twice, they were doing it.

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Speaker 1: And so On July twenty second, twenty thirteen, the Dream

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Speaker 1: new temporary home, the Eloyd Detention Center. Producer Marlon Bishop

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Speaker 1: and I had a chance to visit the detention center.

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Speaker 5: That's right, we did, and it's a sixteen hundred bed

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Speaker 5: facility located basically in the middle of nowhere, in a

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Speaker 5: small desert town midway between Phoenix and Tucson, Arizona. It's

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Speaker 5: exclusively used to detain immigrants, including asylum seekers.

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Speaker 1: Like the Dream Nine, and even though the people held

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Speaker 1: here are not violent criminals, it looks very much like

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Speaker 1: any other prison, the squat, concrete buildings, the razor wire fences,

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Speaker 1: except here there's no color, no life. The living quarters

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Speaker 1: are divided into pods, each with showers, a small living area,

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Speaker 1: and cells where the detainee sleep at night. The windows

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Speaker 1: are mostly blacked out.

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Speaker 5: When the Dream Nine arrived, the men and women were

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Speaker 5: separated and housed in different pods. They were given a

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Speaker 5: toothbrush and dark green jumpsuits to change into. Here's Lulu

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Speaker 5: and the smell.

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Speaker 11: I think the smell specifically, and the smell of the

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Speaker 11: pods was what stuck with me for a very long

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Speaker 11: time because it was this like nasty cleaning smell. I

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Speaker 11: don't know, I remember being really disgusted while being.

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Speaker 1: In there at CCA.

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Speaker 10: Do you Rolling Detention Center? This calumn is such a

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Speaker 10: true recording.

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Speaker 9: As on the chart.

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Speaker 6: Hi'm this is Maria, Maria. I'm fine. They showered us

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Speaker 6: and we've already been a friend the room and everyone's okay.

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Speaker 5: This is sound from a video posted by Nia. You

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Speaker 5: might recognize the voice. It's Maria Yez, the Dreamer from Boston.

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Speaker 5: Who we met earlier. NIA was taping conversations with members

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Speaker 5: of the Dream Nine while they were in detention. This

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Speaker 5: was taped the day the Dream Nine arrived at ELOI.

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Speaker 6: Oh see you soon, sure, yeah, fye, thank you, thank you,

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Speaker 6: thank you, bye.

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Speaker 12: Good bye.

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Speaker 1: The Dream Nine were thrust into the tedium of prison

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Speaker 1: life your time, meal time, sleep, repeat. When Mariaez first arrived,

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Speaker 1: she was in pretty high spirits.

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Speaker 6: I remember making jokes of all being shackled, and I

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Speaker 6: was like, look at this new jewelry. I'm rocking.

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Speaker 1: But that soon went away.

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Speaker 6: NIA just told us that we were going to be

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Speaker 6: the tame and then all of a sudden we find

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Speaker 6: ourselves when all of our belongings taken out, given uniforms

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Speaker 6: and put in a cell. We freaked out.

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Speaker 5: But NIA did have a plan on the outside. Mohammed

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Speaker 5: would keep the story in the press as long as possible.

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Speaker 9: So every single day for the two weeks they were there,

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Speaker 9: we would have folks from community, from Tucson or from

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Speaker 9: Phoenix come down and we would have protests there.

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Speaker 1: Nia also put pressure on politicians. Representative Luis Gutires of Chicago.

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Speaker 3: Speaker I asked unanimous consent to insert this letter to

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Speaker 3: the President of the United States asking for the release

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Speaker 3: of the Dream Nine held in detention in Arizona.

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Speaker 5: Meanwhile, on the inside, the Dream Nine would agitate however

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Speaker 5: they could and collect information about the detention center from

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Speaker 5: other detainees.

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Speaker 1: Marieynez and the rest of the Dream Nine women were

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Speaker 1: housed in a pod with about ten other people, older women,

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Speaker 1: mostly mothers, who had taken the trip across the desert,

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Speaker 1: but they were separated from the rest of the population.

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Speaker 6: Being in contact with the other detainees the other women,

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Speaker 6: listening to their stories made me see the bigger picture,

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Speaker 6: made me realize that this is bigger than myself.

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Speaker 5: Maria Ines had never been an activist before, but she

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Speaker 5: decided she wanted to find a way to help the women.

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Speaker 11: Lulu joined her, so Maria Anes and I decided, like, yeah,

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Speaker 11: we're going to do it. We're going to encourage them

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Speaker 11: to fight their cases, and we're going to give them

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Speaker 11: this hotline to the attorneys that are working in our case.

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Speaker 6: We literally spend the whole night writing the same number

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Speaker 6: over and over again, and the little pieces of paper

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Speaker 6: so we could like hand them out to the women.

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Speaker 5: The dining hall was the area where they had contact

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Speaker 5: with the largest number of other detainees. So one day

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Speaker 5: during meal time, Marieez stood up on a stool in

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Speaker 5: the middle of the dining hall and gave kind of

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Speaker 5: a speech.

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Speaker 6: And I started telling the women, you know, there's a

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Speaker 6: lot of people that care about us, there's a whole

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Speaker 6: legal team that wants to support you, but we need

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Speaker 6: to hear your voices, we need to know your cases.

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Speaker 6: I know you're scared, I know people are intimidating you,

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Speaker 6: but we're here, and that's all I said. And then

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Speaker 6: people started hitting on the tables and just chanting, and

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Speaker 6: then I was like, well, might as we'll do it too,

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Speaker 6: So I started chanting with them.

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Speaker 11: And then they're calling for other people to come there

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Speaker 11: thro their like walkie.

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Speaker 6: Talkie, and that's when the guards pulled Lulu at me

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Speaker 6: off the chairs and took us out of the cafeteria.

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Speaker 6: And they were really mad, and they were like, you're

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Speaker 6: gonna regret do wind this.

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Speaker 11: Yeah, you're gonna get in a lot of trouble, and

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Speaker 11: like we're like.

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Speaker 6: Okay, well, what's the worst they can do.

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Speaker 1: As punishment, Mariaz and Lulu were taken into a different

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Speaker 1: pod and given bright orange jumpsuits in place of the

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Speaker 1: green ones they were wearing. At first. The new colors

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Speaker 1: signified they were classified as dangerous detainees. After all, in

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Speaker 1: the detention center's view, these women had just tried to

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Speaker 1: start a riot.

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Speaker 5: They were kept in separate cells, alone, and not allowed

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Speaker 5: to communicate with anybody. They described this experience as solitary confinement.

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Speaker 5: De Tension center officials call it disciplinary segregation.

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Speaker 6: The first day was fine. The second day, I was

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Speaker 6: starting to feel numb, and I remember thinking of just

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Speaker 6: turning on the faucet and letting the hot water run

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Speaker 6: and use like leaving my hand there and feeling like

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Speaker 6: this thing of the hot water, to at least feel something.

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Speaker 1: Lulu was kept right next door to Marie Anez, but

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Speaker 1: that didn't make things easier.

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Speaker 6: They would give us spatten food, spoiled milk, so you

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Speaker 6: would be really hungry, and all I would do is

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Speaker 6: just lay in my bed and think about food and

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Speaker 6: not even think about how it would taste. This just

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Speaker 6: like the texture of food, the color of food, the smell.

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Speaker 5: On the third day, Maria Ynez told the guards that

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Speaker 5: she was feeling suicidal.

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Speaker 6: There was a guard that would pass by like every

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Speaker 6: two hours, and I told her that I wanted to

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Speaker 6: hurt myself and that I was really afraid in that

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Speaker 6: I wanted to talk to my mom.

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Speaker 1: At first, she said it to try to convince them

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Speaker 1: to let her call her mom.

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Speaker 6: But then when I knew there was no way out,

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Speaker 6: then it just became a reality.

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Speaker 1: Was that the first time in your life that you

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Speaker 1: had said or thought that you wanted to hurt yourself.

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Speaker 6: I was just afraid. I was twenty one. I just

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Speaker 6: wanted to come back home.

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Speaker 1: And the only thing that mad Yinez could do in

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Speaker 1: solitary all day long was to read the Harry Potter

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Speaker 1: books she had taken out from the detention center library.

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Speaker 6: Harry Potter, Help me not kill myself.

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Speaker 5: That was all I had.

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Speaker 6: And that was also all I had when I was

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Speaker 6: growing up and I had to learn English so I

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Speaker 6: would stop getting bullied. So it was like a nice

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Speaker 6: reminder of home. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: Why are you apologizing, Mamita.

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Speaker 13: Because I'm an Estic Warrior? Estic Warriors don't cry.

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Speaker 1: On Latino Usa. Will the Dream nine get out of detention?

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Speaker 1: Stay with us?

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Speaker 12: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Latino USA. I'm Maria no Josa Today

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Speaker 1: with producers Antonia, Serejilo, and Marlon Bishop. When we left off,

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Speaker 1: a group of undocumented student activists called the Dream Nine

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Speaker 1: were being held at a detention facility in Arizona.

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Speaker 7: Here's Antonia, So Maria Nis and Lulu were placed in

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Speaker 7: solitary confinement, and Madiais was struggling with daily thoughts of suicide.

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Speaker 7: They had no idea when they'd be let go, and

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Speaker 7: they were losing hope quickly.

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Speaker 1: Outside Nia, the activist group that organized the action was

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Speaker 1: making calls for their release.

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Speaker 7: Lulu says it came out of nowhere. Guard took her

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Speaker 7: out of her cell and into a room with the

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Speaker 7: other Dream Nine women.

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Speaker 11: We changed back into our clothes and then we were

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Speaker 11: driven about an hour outside of Eloi, and then we

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Speaker 11: were released in a parking lot, a random parking lot.

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Speaker 7: So called Dream Nine walking out two weeks later wearing

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Speaker 7: the same graduation gowns they wore with.

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Speaker 11: The way in which we were released was really weird.

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Speaker 11: We weren't sure if that was the regular process for

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Speaker 11: people being released, but it was also kind of incredible.

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Speaker 7: Asylum seekers are generally kept in detention for a few months,

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Speaker 7: some are kept for years. The Dream Nine spent a

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Speaker 7: total of seventeen days behind bars. Some believe the Obama

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Speaker 7: administration wanted to get them out to avoid the story

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Speaker 7: from blowing up.

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Speaker 1: That's because this whole thing was going on while the

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Speaker 1: debate on comprehensive immigration reform was raging in Congress.

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Speaker 7: The Senate passed a bill that would have provided a

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Speaker 7: path to legalization for immigrants, but it wasn't clear if

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Speaker 7: the House was even going to put the bill up

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Speaker 7: for a vote.

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Speaker 1: Some felt that the Dream Nine were stirring the pot

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Speaker 1: at a bad time.

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Speaker 14: Well, I support the Dream Nine.

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Speaker 5: I support their passion, their commitment to immigration reform.

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Speaker 4: That wasn't my issue.

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Speaker 5: I took issue with the tactics.

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Speaker 6: You know, you saw that.

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Speaker 7: That's David Leopold, the former president of the American Immigration

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Speaker 7: Lawyers Association. He felt the Dream Nine could hurt efforts

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Speaker 7: to get immigration reform through Congress, that they made the

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Speaker 7: movement look too radical.

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Speaker 1: But from Lulu's perspective, allies suddenly became enemies.

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Speaker 11: It was really upsetting to see that actually we counted

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Speaker 11: on Latin far fewer people than what we thought.

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Speaker 1: But ultimately members of NIA were not going to wait

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Speaker 1: to see what Congress would decide they were actually going

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Speaker 1: to get people back into the US, and they had

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Speaker 1: already proven that they could do.

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Speaker 7: That, and this allowed NIA to dream bigger for their

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Speaker 7: next action. Now that the Dream nine had been released,

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Speaker 7: they decided to do the Dream thirty.

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Speaker 4: We're in graduation gowns.

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Speaker 1: Some thirty Mexican activists who were rised in the United

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Speaker 1: States walked across the Rio Bravo Bridge, crossing between Mexico

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Speaker 1: and the United States, and one of the Dream thirty

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Speaker 1: participants was a young woman named Marcella Espinosa Diegos, who

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Speaker 1: goes by Marseille. She wanted to return from Mexico to

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Speaker 1: her family in Chicago, where she grew up.

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Speaker 7: Lulu is also from Chicago, although the two had never met,

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Speaker 7: but as an organizer with NIA, Lulu spent a lot

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Speaker 7: of time on the phone with Marseille while she was

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Speaker 7: in detention.

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Speaker 1: Now the truth is, we thought that those conversations might

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Speaker 1: be deep political conversations for support, but in fact, Antonia,

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Speaker 1: so you're in detention and you're calling Lulu for some

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Speaker 1: source of support.

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Speaker 8: And talk about cats.

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Speaker 1: They talk about cats. The steaks are super high. She

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Speaker 1: doesn't know whether she's going to get out or get deported.

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Speaker 15: And then we would talk about like the perks of

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Speaker 15: bank a cat person, right like that we could recognize

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Speaker 15: like they're different meals, like the scratches, like literally like

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Speaker 15: the whole nine yards or like being cat people, and

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Speaker 15: that's what we would talk about during our extensive phone calls.

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Speaker 1: And they kind of fall for each other well I don't.

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00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,640
Speaker 11: Know, maybe look and then it was like yeah, it.

665
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 15: Was like it was like it was like friendly flirting.

666
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 1: After Marse was finally released from the tension and got

667
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 1: back to Chicago, she and Lulu started dating and now

668
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: they're a couple. But five of the Dream thirty didn't

669
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,320
Speaker 1: make it. They were refused asylum and deported.

670
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 7: But with that success rate, NIA members thought no even bigger,

671
00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 7: and so they went all out for their third campaign,

672
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 7: the Dream one fifty.

673
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: This time it wasn't just about young students, it was

674
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: adults too.

675
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 7: But the Dream one fifty was much less successful than

676
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 7: the previous bring Them Home campaigns.

677
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 11: After the third campaign, there were a lot of bridges

678
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,959
Speaker 11: that were burnt. I think it's a certain extent simple

679
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 11: auticians just didn't want to work with MO Specifically, NIA

680
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:08,319
Speaker 11: gained a negative reputation.

681
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: The most public flame out was between NIA leader Mohammad

682
00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: Abdulahi or MO and Congressman Louis Gutiris from Chicago. Guthiras

683
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: had been a major supporter and even spoke on the

684
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: floor of Congress on behalf of the Dream nine, but

685
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 1: during the Dream thirty, Gutirrez's office put out a statement

686
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:28,879
Speaker 1: saying they would be cutting ties with NIA.

687
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 7: He accused NIA of being racist, putting young people in

688
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:35,319
Speaker 7: harm's way, and even manipulating the families they work with.

689
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 1: NIA members shot back in their own statement, basically calling

690
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 1: Luis Gutiriz a sellout who doesn't actually care about Mexicans.

691
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,319
Speaker 7: That he is the quote Moses of Latino's as long

692
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,880
Speaker 7: as they are the humble kind that work in US kitchens.

693
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 7: But if they have a voice and challenge him, then

694
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 7: he stops caring. To this day, Mohammad really doesn't see

695
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 7: any problem with his tactics.

696
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 9: I don't consider any of the work that we've done

697
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 9: controversial myself as controversial, and I think the reality is

698
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 9: is that sometimes people are just not ready to understand.

699
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 7: After the Dream one fifty, with support for NIA petering out,

700
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 7: the campaigns ended and.

701
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 1: In the wake of the Dream Actions, the Dream nine,

702
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: the Dream thirty, and finally the Dream one fifty, there

703
00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,320
Speaker 1: was kind of a question mark about what just happened.

704
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,400
Speaker 1: Was this good or bad for the immigrant rights movement? Marlon,

705
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: you spoke with somebody tied to the Dream nine.

706
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 5: That's right. I spoke with Margot Cohen, who was the

707
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,399
Speaker 5: Dream nine's lawyer, and this is what she said.

708
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 12: We have never figured out a statutory scheme that deals

709
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 12: with the admission of non citizens in a way that

710
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 12: makes sense.

711
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 5: That's lawyeries for saying. Our immigration system has never functioned

712
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,239
Speaker 5: in a way that's realistic. There have always been more

713
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 5: people who are living and working here than the official

714
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 5: rules have allowed for. Margo explains that once every generation,

715
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 5: the government has granted legal status to large numbers of

716
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,960
Speaker 5: undocumented people what today is called amnesty. It happened in

717
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 5: forty eight and seventy six, and then finally the famous

718
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,760
Speaker 5: Reagan Amnesty of nineteen eighty six, which gave two point

719
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 5: nine million people legal status.

720
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 12: Every generation, we have to regularize everybody, and we haven't

721
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 12: done it for now more than a generation, because the

722
00:39:15,800 --> 00:39:18,160
Speaker 12: last time we did it was in eighty six. So

723
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,880
Speaker 12: this is the first time that we have US produced thinkers,

724
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 12: activists who just happened to not be American, but for

725
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:31,239
Speaker 12: all intents and purposes are Americans and think like Americans.

726
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,319
Speaker 12: Christian government like Americans.

727
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 5: And Marco's point is that the Dreamers also protest like Americans.

728
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 5: They kind of feel entitled, as young Americans do, to

729
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 5: demand rights.

730
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 7: And if you talk to people who follow the immigration

731
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,439
Speaker 7: debate closely, they'll tell you that the dreamer activists made

732
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 7: a big impact.

733
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 4: I mean, the only thing that's really happened in immigration

734
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 4: in the last few years has been because of their

735
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 4: sit ins and because they're brazen tactics.

736
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 7: This is Cindy Gargamo, an immigration reporter for the La Times,

737
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 7: And looking back.

738
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 4: I think that you will see the dreamer movement as

739
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: instrumental in anything that really does happen.

740
00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: And there are a lot of people who feel like

741
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 1: the Dreamers were able to make the issue more relatable

742
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: to non Latinos and non immigrants.

743
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 5: Exactly because it's kind of like this could be your son,

744
00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 5: this could be your daughter. You know, they're just like

745
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 5: all other Americans in a way, right.

746
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 7: But there's also a flip side to that, which I

747
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:24,160
Speaker 7: talked about with Cindy. The one big critique within the

748
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 7: immigrant rights movement of the Dreamers is that they created

749
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 7: a pretty narrow definition of who should be allowed to

750
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 7: stay in this country.

751
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 4: The activists really pushed this mold this like perfect child,

752
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 4: What a waste of a mind? Right, And because they

753
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 4: really pushed this so hard, they left a whole contingent

754
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 4: of people behind.

755
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 7: People like mothers or families, or people with low level offenses.

756
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,359
Speaker 7: I mean, the idea is either you're like the valedictorian

757
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 7: of a school, or you shouldn't be.

758
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 6: In the US.

759
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:53,440
Speaker 1: The irony now is that Dreamers, these young people who

760
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 1: were able to achieve a kind of legal status through dhaka,

761
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 1: now they're worried that they might be targeted pecifically since

762
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: the government has their paperwork. But what about the Dream nine.

763
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:06,400
Speaker 1: Was it effective?

764
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 3: Well?

765
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 5: There were those who said no, this was radical, it

766
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 5: was poorly thought out, but there were a lot of

767
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 5: supporters as well. And Margot Cohen, who was the lawyer

768
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 5: for the Dream nine, well, she says the action was

769
00:41:17,520 --> 00:41:19,360
Speaker 5: exactly what the movement needed at the time.

770
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 12: In a democracy, when you installed public policy, you have

771
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 12: to ignite it, and that's what these young people, did

772
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 12: you know? And if you think you're just going to

773
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,839
Speaker 12: sit back and it's going to come your way, well

774
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 12: I don't know where you live, because that's not the

775
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 12: way democracy works.

776
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,760
Speaker 1: And if you ask Mohammed whether the Dream nine was effective,

777
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: he doesn't give a big lofty speech about immigration policy.

778
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 9: It delivered everything I was supposed to deliver because those

779
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 9: nine individuals who partook in it are now moving on

780
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 9: with their lives.

781
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 5: And yes, it's true the Dream Nine are in the

782
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 5: United States, but their situations are really complicated.

783
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 11: I have my next merits hearing, which is when I

784
00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:01,919
Speaker 11: present like the arguments or my asylum case, and that's

785
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 11: April twenty five, twenty eighteen.

786
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 1: So if Lulu hadn't left the country to take part

787
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: in the Dream Nine, she actually at this point would

788
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,680
Speaker 1: have been eligible for DAKA, which would have given her

789
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 1: permission to stay in the country. But instead, now she's

790
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,280
Speaker 1: got a fight for her asylum case, and the chances

791
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 1: that she's going to get it they're not great.

792
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 5: Lulu's legal strategy now is to keep delaying her hearing

793
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 5: and hoping immigration reform happens someday in the future.

794
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: So was it worth it?

795
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,880
Speaker 11: I would like to think that it was worth the

796
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 11: entire action. Was worth it to witness firsthand the conditions

797
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 11: of the detention center, to go back to Mexico to

798
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,439
Speaker 11: see my family. Yeah, I think it was worth it.

799
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 7: But at the same time, the experience kind of soured

800
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 7: her on activism.

801
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 11: I wouldn't consider myself an organizer anymore. I think after

802
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 11: I came back from Eloy, I had a lot of

803
00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,280
Speaker 11: processing to do. I didn't like how I was feeling,

804
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 11: and I think at that point too, where I realized

805
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 11: how unhealthy organizing could be and I just could not

806
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 11: be on that path anymore.

807
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 1: And Lulu's not the only one. In fact, Lisbeth has

808
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 1: also stepped back from her organizing work.

809
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: So I'm studying my third year of law school, so

810
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm just kinda concentrated on that for now and then

811
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: taking the bar and hopefully passing it the first time.

812
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 7: Muhammad is still working in immigration, but he's dialed it

813
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 7: down a lot.

814
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 9: There is nothing pleasurable about being an activist. I don't

815
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 9: enjoy being an organizer, being active in the immigrant world,

816
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 9: and I wish I had never googled the Dream Act.

817
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,240
Speaker 9: Part of the reason why there haven't been any great

818
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 9: wins in the immigrant rights movement in decades. Is because

819
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 9: people become active for a year, get really pumped up,

820
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 9: get really involved, get defeated, get beat up, and then

821
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 9: they move on.

822
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:59,240
Speaker 7: These activists did this big thing, and now they feel

823
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 7: really defeated and discouraged.

824
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 1: But on the other hand, there's Maria Nis. So this

825
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: is Shirley As.

826
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 6: This is Shirley A.

827
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 1: Recently, Marlon Antonia and I went to Revere, Massachusetts to

828
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: see how Maria Inis is doing these days. Ravera is

829
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: a suburb of Boston where Mariais grew up, and walking

830
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,560
Speaker 1: around with her was like walking around with the mayor.

831
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:21,680
Speaker 1: She seems to know everybody.

832
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,720
Speaker 8: Hidja go in the WII office.

833
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 6: Okay, this is Maria Maria.

834
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:27,399
Speaker 8: This is station Hi.

835
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,759
Speaker 6: Sure true, I will talk to you by.

836
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 5: When Maria Ni first got back to Boston, she had

837
00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 5: a rough start, no money, crashing on couches, but she

838
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,239
Speaker 5: did have a college scholarship, and now she's found a

839
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,480
Speaker 5: job she really loves.

840
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 6: On the left, hidden behind this wall.

841
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:45,880
Speaker 8: Is my office.

842
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: Maria Nis has a job as a community organizer working

843
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:51,520
Speaker 1: with immigrant and refugee women.

844
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 7: Before she was part of the Dream nine. Maria Nis

845
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 7: wasn't very politically minded. She was just a girl who

846
00:44:57,560 --> 00:45:00,359
Speaker 7: wanted to go to college. But everything she went through

847
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 7: at the detention center gave her a new perspective and

848
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 7: a new purpose.

849
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,479
Speaker 6: I think the main concept of fighting for was right,

850
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 6: even if it means putting your life at risk. That's

851
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:16,800
Speaker 6: something that I've learned from my country. That's something that

852
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:18,879
Speaker 6: I've learned from the United States, and that's why I'm

853
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:19,919
Speaker 6: doing the work that I'm doing.

854
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 5: But detension has left scars on Marius as well. She

855
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:26,480
Speaker 5: still gets panic attacks. She's been diagnosed with PTSD.

856
00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: I asked marias the same question that I asked Lulu.

857
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:34,640
Speaker 1: Was it all worth it? Leaving her family, the fear,

858
00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: the solitary confinement, the panic.

859
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 6: Attacks, Everything I have right now would have not existed

860
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 6: if I would have not made that decision of going back.

861
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:48,480
Speaker 6: And yes it's horrible, Yes I'm still digesting it and

862
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,640
Speaker 6: fighting my demons, but I was meant to stand up

863
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 6: in that cafeteria and give out those phone numbers, and

864
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 6: I won't ever take that back.

865
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:02,360
Speaker 1: Is there a part of you that thinks back and says,

866
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:06,040
Speaker 1: how could NIA have done that? How could they have

867
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: involved you. A kid essentially didn't know a whole lot.

868
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 6: I don't blame them. We were all kids and we

869
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 6: did what we thought was right. If I had lose

870
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 6: Weevo's that Muhammad had to do that, I think I

871
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 6: would have done that too.

872
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: Mariaeynez is moving forward in her life, but her future

873
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: in the United States still remains uncertain.

874
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 5: And that's true for all the Dreamers DAKA the Diet

875
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 5: version of the Dream Act we talked about that Obama

876
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:42,319
Speaker 5: created by executive order. It's not a pathway to citizenship.

877
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 5: It's temporary relief from deportation and a work permit. The

878
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:47,480
Speaker 5: next president could get rid of it with the snap

879
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,759
Speaker 5: of their fingers, just as Obama created it with the

880
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:50,479
Speaker 5: snap of his.

881
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,600
Speaker 7: And even if some version of the Dream Act passes

882
00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:56,840
Speaker 7: one day, it would not protect their parents. All the

883
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 7: Dreamers can do is have faith that somehow it will

884
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:00,720
Speaker 7: all work out in the future.

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Speaker 1: Before we left Revere in Massachusetts, Marinis took us to

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Speaker 1: see something.

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Speaker 8: So the mural is it's kind of surely.

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Speaker 1: Have It's a mural where are you?

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Speaker 6: I am all the way over here?

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Speaker 1: It's a panorama of Revere in Massachusetts. The stores, the

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Speaker 1: seashore in the distance, and the people that make up

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Speaker 1: the town.

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Speaker 6: Wait, so this is you graduating since they remember me

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Speaker 6: crossing the border. We're in my cap and gown. They

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Speaker 6: decided to drew me. We're in my cap and gown.

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Speaker 6: So that's me reaching out to community and like just

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Speaker 6: advocating and talk about immigrants' rights. Now that I'm back

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Speaker 6: in Revere and I'm working and I'm doing the same

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Speaker 6: job that the mural is saying that I should be doing.

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Speaker 6: I feel proud coming every morning getting off from the

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Speaker 6: tea and having that remembrance every day of like, remember

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Speaker 6: why you're here, remember where you're back. How many people

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Speaker 6: can say that they're in a mural in the city

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Speaker 6: where they grew up.

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Speaker 1: For Maria Nis, Revere is home. The US is home.

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Speaker 1: It's where she wakes up every day and where she

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Speaker 1: dreams every night. But it's a home that as of now,

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Speaker 1: isn't sure it wants her there. When it will make

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Speaker 1: up its mind, nobody knows. For now, Maria Nis is

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Speaker 1: living in limbo, just like she always has. This episode

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Speaker 1: was produced by Antonie Rihido and Marlon Bishop. It was

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Speaker 1: edited by Lida Hartman and Daisi Rosadio. It was mixed

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Speaker 1: by Stephanie Lebau with engineering support from jj Krubin, and

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Speaker 1: our thoughts go out to the family of Lida Hartman,

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Speaker 1: who we sadly lost this year. The Latino USA eighteen

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Speaker 1: also includes Julia Caruso, Jessica Ellis, Victoria Stradra, Renaldo leanoz Junior,

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Speaker 1: Andrea Lopez Crusado, Luis Luna Rooni, mar Marquez, Marta Martinez,

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Speaker 1: Nor Saudi and Nancy Trujiro. Benilee Ramirez is our co

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Speaker 1: executive producer I'm your Host and co executive producer Marino Fossa.

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Speaker 1: Join us in on our next episode. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: I'll see you on all of our social media, especially

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. En acuerda dee asta approxima note bajas jao.

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Speaker 14: Latino USA is made possible in part by the Ford Foundation,

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Speaker 14: working with visionaries on the front lines of social change worldwide,

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Speaker 14: the John D. And Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, and funding

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Speaker 14: for Latino USA is Coverage of a culture of health

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Speaker 14: is made possible in part by a grant from the

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Speaker 14: Robert Wood Johnson Foundation.