1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Reality with the King is hosted by me, Carlos King. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,239 Speaker 1: I'm an executive producer who have produced some of your 3 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: favorite shows from the Real Housewives in Atlanta, New Jersey 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: and my own creation, The Love and Marriage Franchise and 5 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: Bell Collective. Every episode, we recap reality television from the 6 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Real Housewives Franchise to The Bachelor or Selling Sunset, in 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: addition to celebrity guests, whether in the unscripted space or 8 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: scripted as well. Rain drives. On today's episode, Reality Crime Stories. 9 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: My co host Cotney Parker and I are back along 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: with our guests Josh Tyranny. Where tonight's topic is We 11 00:00:49,400 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: are ditting into the fact that ray J is suing 12 00:00:54,240 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: Kim Kardashian in addition to her mother, Chris jenn Her. 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:07,440 Speaker 1: This is a counter suit because Chris and Kim filed 14 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,679 Speaker 1: a lawsuit against ray J for defamation because ray J 15 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:18,759 Speaker 1: made the allegations that they were being investigated. So look, 16 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: we want to dive right into the story. How's it 17 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,679 Speaker 1: going Courtney and just Tearney? 18 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 2: Hey, Carlos, is that a wife beater. 19 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 3: Allowed to say that anymore? 20 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: Oh? 21 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: Yes, I can always tell how our episodes are going 22 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: to go. Based on your wardrobe. 23 00:01:42,760 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: Well, I feel like it's gonna go the way always go, 24 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: which is fun and informative. Right, you got I it's. 25 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 2: Given very adult tape. 26 00:01:56,560 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's definitely giving ray J. W Wait a minute, wait. 27 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Wait a minute, ain't that Brandy's brother? Yes, one of 28 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:14,119 Speaker 1: my favorite songs by ray J featuring the iconic, legendary 29 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 1: Little Kim. So, look, we have to dive into this 30 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: because Cortney and judge Tyranny. I mean, where do we begin? So, 31 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,639 Speaker 1: as we all know, look, ray J and Kim's pass 32 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: dates back to when they were dating before the reality 33 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: show Keeping Up with the Kardashians. At this time, I 34 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:41,080 Speaker 1: believe she was not only just known as Paris Hilton's friend, 35 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 1: but she also was known as Brandy's closet organizer. This 36 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: is this is like the early days of Kimberly Noel. 37 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,839 Speaker 1: We all know about the infamous sex tape that got released. 38 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: It propelled Kim to unforeseen hight. It made ray J 39 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: so of infamous. A lot of people saw what he's 40 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: taplele love. 41 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 3: Every day, and. 42 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: They were famous in other ways. And then I felt 43 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: like we all said, Okay, the jig is up. We 44 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: know what happened, and I think we all moved on 45 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,639 Speaker 1: and forgot about it, courtesy of the Kardashians being this 46 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: billion dollar empire. But recently all this has come to 47 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 1: a hit because on the Kardashians Hulu series What Happened 48 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: was in the premiere episode, Kim Kardashian, who at the 49 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: time was still married to Kanye West. She talked about 50 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 1: how they were allegedly allegedly more footage of his sex 51 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: tape and how people were threatening to re release it. 52 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,960 Speaker 1: Long story short, Kanye came to the rescue filmed an 53 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: episode saying he confiscated the footage and she had nothing 54 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: to worry about. Ray J then decided to go on 55 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: Instagram Live and say, look, all of this is lies. 56 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: This was a deal set up, not a scheme that 57 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: Tas set up, honey, And he's saying this was a 58 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: scheme that Chris Jenner set up, that they were all 59 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 1: in on the gig. They all got something out of it. 60 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: And as a married man who is awesome uncle and 61 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: a father of two that he's he doesn't want to 62 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: be seen as like this awful guy, which we were like, okay, understood, 63 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 1: But then ray J recently suggested that the Kardashians were 64 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,039 Speaker 1: going to be charged or are being charged allegedly with 65 00:04:43,320 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: racketeering charges, and that's when the Kardashians filed a lawsuit. 66 00:04:51,279 --> 00:04:55,359 Speaker 1: The sue claims that no such federal investigation exist and 67 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: that Brady's comments are part of a long running campaign 68 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: to exploit their fame, and now ray J com against 69 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: the Kardashians. He is saying that the defamation suit was 70 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:14,599 Speaker 1: fouled for a publicity power and punishment, and that the 71 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: pair violated an earlier six million dollar settlement agreement where 72 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: ray J is alleging that in that scene where Kanye 73 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: West alleged that he confiscated the tapes, ray J at 74 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,719 Speaker 1: the lawsuit and they settled for six million dollars and 75 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,960 Speaker 1: sent never to bring it up again. So this is 76 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: where we are. So, Courtney, where you going to begin 77 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 1: with this story? 78 00:05:42,520 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 3: Listen? I will give a really brief disclaimer. 79 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:53,800 Speaker 4: I know ray J personally, I was around met him 80 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,919 Speaker 4: in two thousand and five. Friends, we are friends, I 81 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 4: can honestly say that. And what I will say is 82 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 4: I don't know the ins and outs of this current settlement, 83 00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 4: this current lawsuit, but I will say ray J has 84 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 4: been saying the exact same story since I met him 85 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:23,359 Speaker 4: in two thousand and five. I know firsthand that the 86 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 4: truth never changes. And RAYJ, with respect to this incident, 87 00:06:28,720 --> 00:06:30,640 Speaker 4: the negotiation. 88 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 1: Of this. 89 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,839 Speaker 4: Not being released without anyone's knowledge, everyone knew. 90 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:39,480 Speaker 3: He's been saying the exact same thing. 91 00:06:40,880 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: And owning the exact same truth since two thousand and five. 92 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 4: So I will be biased in saying I believe ray J. 93 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 3: Out the gate. 94 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: I will believe I believe ray J, have always believed 95 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: ray J with respect to this. But that doesn't negate 96 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 4: the fact that there is two new lawsuits out here. 97 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 4: And Judge Tyranny is going to educate us on what 98 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 4: some of these terms mean, what some of the allegations 99 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 4: mean for people, and just give us a little history 100 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 4: on what these filings mean and how much of this 101 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 4: is actually something that we as audiences, that people that 102 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 4: love both of these people and these brands, what this 103 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 4: means for the state of what happens in the dark 104 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 4: coming to the really coming to the light. So, if 105 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 4: you don't mind, I love to kick it off with 106 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 4: my first question for Judge Tyranny. Okay, so if you can, 107 00:07:56,200 --> 00:07:59,720 Speaker 4: Judge Tyranny and we all know you're a famous disclaimer 108 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: about not being able to. 109 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: Talk about open cases. Both of these. 110 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 4: Are our charges that are claims that are open. But 111 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,040 Speaker 4: you can give us a little bit of an education 112 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 4: on what we're looking at, what we're hearing. 113 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 3: So with this being. 114 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 4: A allegation of defamation, what is what is kind of 115 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 4: required to prove a a RICO probe. 116 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 3: That's being allocated, that's being. 117 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 4: Alleged, like, what's what's what's the proper showing to include falsity, 118 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 4: fault and or damages? And and what are we looking 119 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 4: at when we hear things like ray j countersteing for RICO. 120 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 4: So again, it's very nice for me not to be 121 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:06,959 Speaker 4: the only person with a disclaimer this week, So rain Drops, 122 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 4: you can put your knife up when you're talking about me. 123 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 4: Courtney gave her disclaimer first, So. 124 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 3: I am glad that. 125 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:21,520 Speaker 4: Partie is sharing some of the heat this week. But yes, 126 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 4: as she said, as I say every week, I cannot 127 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 4: comment on any ongone legal matter and I cannot give 128 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 4: any legal advice. But what I can do and hope 129 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,719 Speaker 4: to do, is help for the public and the rain 130 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 4: Drops to understand better what is going on in different 131 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 4: legal lawsuits so that they have a better understanding of 132 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 4: the actual legal system. And when you speak of we'll 133 00:09:51,320 --> 00:09:52,959 Speaker 4: jump right into the defamation. 134 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: Let's start there because I know a lot of people 135 00:09:57,320 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: have questions about that I'm just. 136 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 4: Tyranny perfect, and so I think that it's very important 137 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 4: to understand that, you know, defamation isn't just about you 138 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 4: said something bad about someone, or they didn't lie, or 139 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 4: they lied, or you know you didn't like what they said. 140 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 2: There is four elements to defamation. First, you have to 141 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 2: actually make a statement that can be provable as false 142 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:27,480 Speaker 2: or true. 143 00:10:27,880 --> 00:10:33,359 Speaker 4: Second, you have to actually then prove that the statement 144 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 4: was actually done in a public form, meaning outside of 145 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 4: the two people involved. Thirdly, you actually have to have 146 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 4: caused some harm. And then, lastly, especially when we're dealing 147 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 4: with public figures, and this is very important, you actually 148 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 4: also have to show that it was done with malicious 149 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 4: intent or reckless disregard. So let me ask this question 150 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 4: because I'll say the stuff that you cannot say, and 151 00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 4: then Carlos, please chine in with what we know will 152 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:25,320 Speaker 4: be your thoughts. So, in this regard, Ray j countersuing 153 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 4: means that whatever settlement was reached, originally the fact that 154 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: she keeps bringing it back up and he's saying there 155 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 4: is no defamation because I actually have proof that these 156 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,840 Speaker 4: are lies courtesy of these text messages and all the 157 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 4: paper trail and paperwork that he alleges he has in 158 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 4: his possession, and because they keep doing it and bringing 159 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 4: it up on their reality shows, which is a huge 160 00:11:59,080 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 4: public platform. Arm doesn't matter where he is it that, 161 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:07,160 Speaker 4: it doesn't matter where they were at that point in 162 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 4: their life. It's where he is or he may be 163 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 4: feeling like he is now being the father of two, 164 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 4: having his own businesses and just not wanting to. 165 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:22,240 Speaker 3: Be brought back to that person that he. 166 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 4: Was when they were, you know, well in their twenties. 167 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 4: Is that where why he's seeking defamation? Is that what 168 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 4: he is considering defaming towards him? 169 00:12:38,520 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: This is reality with the King, and I'm Carlos King. 170 00:12:41,800 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: Let's get back into the show. So the thing is 171 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 1: this based on the history of it, Well, what I 172 00:12:49,000 --> 00:12:51,599 Speaker 1: feel like is going on is this, and I do 173 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: you want to understand the legalities of the situation from 174 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: a blanket standpoint of when a sex tape is involved 175 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: and what I stand a release of a sex tape 176 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: being legalized by both parties. So according to you answer 177 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: your question, ray J is saying, look, we made this 178 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: sex tape together. It was consent. I did not go 179 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: behind your back to release this. I wasn't this creepy 180 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: guy that submitted this to Vivid Entertainment right like, we 181 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 1: were both consenting adults having this relationship on camera. Ray 182 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 1: J has alleged that during this process of the sex 183 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: tape being released, ray J is alleging that, look, we 184 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: both got paid out of this. He is alleging that 185 00:13:51,200 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 1: Chris Jenner said I watched it. He's a legend she 186 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: watched it. He's alleging that Chris, in addition to I 187 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:07,560 Speaker 1: believe other people said we need reshoots because allegedly they 188 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: didn't like how Kim looked in the in the in 189 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: the iteration of the first video, he's a last thing, 190 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: that they did reshoots, and that after the reshoots were 191 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: done and they tried to like sell that I sell that, 192 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,320 Speaker 1: but package it. Rey J is alleging that they said, 193 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: let's go with the first one. Let's go with the 194 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:33,280 Speaker 1: first one. Juste tyranny from my understanding, from a legal standpoint, 195 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: or any tape, whether it's sex tape, a tape of 196 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: me and my friends having brunch okay out a restaurant. 197 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:54,640 Speaker 1: If a major corporation, a distribution entity called Vivid Entertainment, Okay, 198 00:14:55,600 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: is releasing it in exchange for pay. Right, the sex 199 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: tape was made available. It wasn't like things you see 200 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: on Twitter that you're not supposed to watch, but you 201 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,800 Speaker 1: watch it anyway and you record it because it's going 202 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: to be taken down. No, this was distributed for release 203 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:22,040 Speaker 1: in exchange for compensation from the consumer. In order for 204 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,120 Speaker 1: that to happen. What we are realizing now that we're older, 205 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: is you can't release a sex tape of two people 206 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:35,960 Speaker 1: without their release without their consent. Right that way, he's 207 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: a legend. He's like, are you guys crazy? This was 208 00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:45,480 Speaker 1: not in the legal situation because the company who distributed 209 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: the sexy could have went to jail. So, just from 210 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 1: a legal standpoint, is that true that in order for 211 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 1: something to be released of his magnitude for worldwide in perpetuity, 212 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: you need the consenting release of both parties. 213 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 4: So I will say that in general when anytime you 214 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 4: are dealing with let's just go with IP content in 215 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 4: any form. You both have worked on television reality or drama, 216 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 4: and you know that in each one of those situations, 217 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 4: even when you have guests who are. 218 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 2: Not recurring stars, you get a release. 219 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 4: And so those are things that companies generally are going 220 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: to always do to make sure that they are protected 221 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 4: and that. 222 00:16:34,520 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 2: They have no liability. 223 00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 4: I think we also have to talk about contractual agreements. Yeah, 224 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,600 Speaker 4: and so there would have had to have probably been 225 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 4: in place, not probably an agreement in place between. 226 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: Both parties, and then those parties and the distribution company 227 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: and so. 228 00:16:59,800 --> 00:16:59,840 Speaker 1: On. 229 00:17:00,240 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 4: You negotiate consenting adults, negotiate agreements and terms. Then that 230 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:11,639 Speaker 4: is really what a court is going to review to 231 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 4: determine if there has been a breach of that contract, right, Yeah, 232 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,640 Speaker 4: and so yes, we can take you know, anytime we're 233 00:17:21,680 --> 00:17:25,439 Speaker 4: dealing with reality TV and celebrities, there's a lot that 234 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 4: goes on in the public. There are a lot of 235 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: public statements, there's a lot of gossip and father that 236 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:33,720 Speaker 4: goes on and on and on. But remember, in a court, 237 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 4: we're always going to look at the evidence. It's going 238 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 4: to start with the documents and it is going to 239 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 4: finish with any authenticated evidence, not just simply going over 240 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 4: text messages. Or screenshots or headlines, and so I think 241 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,600 Speaker 4: that when the audience thinks about this, they need to 242 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 4: realize that the legal documents are really going to control 243 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 4: the narrative in a courtroom. 244 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 3: Got it. 245 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,800 Speaker 4: So, one of the things that I've read from just 246 00:18:09,960 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 4: ray Ja's filing from November twenty twenty five, he's saying 247 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 4: that he is claiming breach of a contract based on 248 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 4: the alleged twenty twenty three settlement with a no discussion 249 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: provision and payment term. He cites references on the Hulu 250 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 4: show as a breach and he wants one hundred million 251 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: dollars settlement to remedy it. He's saying that there is 252 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 4: a breach of a settlement that was that came about. 253 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: In twenty twenty three. So we do know that. 254 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 4: There have been legal settlements that have been reached. So 255 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:53,640 Speaker 4: I just wanted to make sure we saw this sound 256 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 4: and break it down for the audience. 257 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:55,320 Speaker 3: Okay. 258 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 4: In two thousand and five, for the ip in question, 259 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 4: there was a negotiated contract, yep. 260 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 2: Okay. 261 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:09,639 Speaker 4: Then we moved to twenty twenty three, and you are 262 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 4: saying that there is another new negotiated contract. Then we 263 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 4: moved to twenty twenty five, and you were saying one 264 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 4: of the parties has alleged a breach of that twenty 265 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 4: twenty three agreement. So I think it's very essential for 266 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,159 Speaker 4: us to understand that the two thousand and five and 267 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 4: the twenty and twenty three agreements are separate, or they 268 00:19:34,359 --> 00:19:42,000 Speaker 4: could be an extension. But in order to revise any contract, 269 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 4: you do need the mutual agreement of both parties, and 270 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 4: in general, you're going to have to exchange something of 271 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:51,320 Speaker 4: value again. 272 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 2: In order for the new contract to be valid. 273 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 4: Otherwise the terms of the original contract would still stand. 274 00:20:05,800 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 4: And again we don't know or I don't know especially 275 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 4: any of the terms from two thousand and five or 276 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 4: twenty twenty three to know if it was two separate 277 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,639 Speaker 4: contracts or simply an amendment. 278 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:25,560 Speaker 2: Okay, because it is the same subject matter, right, This. 279 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 1: This is the thing that I do find interesting, And 280 00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: this isn't a legal question, but obviously Judge hearing, if 281 00:20:32,880 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: you want to search yourself on the legalities of this, 282 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: please feel free. Well, it's fascinating about this because when 283 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: you when you sort of sit back, you know, I 284 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: am one of the biggest Kim Kardashian fans in the 285 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: world like I'm Carlos with a ka sometimes with that 286 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: being said, because my lafetime is king too. But with 287 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:58,359 Speaker 1: that being said, one thing that I've always said is, look, 288 00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: there's other celebrities who had a sex tape, even her 289 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 1: predecessor Paris hillt right the post Kim Kardashian arrows meet 290 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 1: me files from Love and Hip Hop Atlanta. One thing 291 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: about according not too much. One thing about that's my 292 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 1: friend and I love her. 293 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:21,680 Speaker 2: Friend, and I love her as well. 294 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 4: Thank you to put that sex tape in the same 295 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:31,920 Speaker 4: bracket this. Come on, talk about that, Orehanna, another flanger 296 00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 4: I've seen neither. 297 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,879 Speaker 3: I can't. I can't. 298 00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:43,000 Speaker 4: I've seen them all. 299 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 1: A legal term, we plead the fifth. Now what that 300 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: One thing that I do find fascinating is the fact that, look, 301 00:21:57,000 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: she has a mass, this billion dollar brand, and I 302 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:05,480 Speaker 1: do believe she's a hard worker. I don't believe it's luck. 303 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: I don't believe in luck. I do believe in hard 304 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: work meets preparation plus obviously and foremost God's plan. I 305 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 1: think all of that equal success, right God first, a 306 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:25,359 Speaker 1: great work, ethic and preparation, honey, with equal success in 307 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 1: any fields that you have and you can't deny that 308 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: this woman has achieved that, not only for herself, but 309 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:35,640 Speaker 1: for her familyly. She is the she is the currency 310 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 1: that has provided this empire of wealth for her family, 311 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,399 Speaker 1: right like she should be on the family crest, like 312 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 1: it should be her pictures saying because of this woman, 313 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: we are all able. Do you know what I mean? 314 00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: With that being said for her? You said, what, Yes, 315 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:04,640 Speaker 1: that's what I believe. Now with that being said, though, 316 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:08,959 Speaker 1: this is the part that I will never understand. I 317 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: feel like all of us has forgotten about the sex 318 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: tape because she has done so much. Ray j has said. 319 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 1: This is what ray Je said. Ragjie said, Look, I'm 320 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: moved on with my life. Princess loves my wife. It's strange. 321 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 1: I'll be it my wife, I got two kids, I'm 322 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: a loving hip hop and every single reality show on 323 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: Zoos and in the world. He has a mass money 324 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: for himself, honey. And at the end of the day, 325 00:23:34,520 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 1: my sister is Brandy. So Braggant writes brother in life, Well, 326 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: he is saying that a lot of people are like 327 00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: ray J's points made. Chris Jenner was on The James 328 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 1: Cordon Show and she had a lie Detective Test segment 329 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 1: and they asked her in this lie detective test segment, 330 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: is it true that you were behind the release of 331 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: chem sex tape? She said no, The lo detective test 332 00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 1: said she's telling the truth. Ray J was pissed about 333 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,119 Speaker 1: that because once again he's like, I'm not a liar. 334 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,760 Speaker 1: So that was that was sort of like strike what 335 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: And again you're sort of like why even ask the question? No, 336 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,800 Speaker 1: we don't care. I feel like no one cares. Then 337 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,959 Speaker 1: it was the Kardashian's premiere episode where Kanye came to 338 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: save the day. It was sort of like, I don't 339 00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: need this as a storyline. I really see what happened 340 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: between you and Kanye in terms of the destruction of 341 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: your marriage. Ray J once again was like he acted 342 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 1: out because AJ then went as far as to do 343 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:40,639 Speaker 1: an independent interview a legend racketeering. Do you guys and 344 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: again it's not a legal question, but do you guys see? Okay, 345 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 1: we now understand that ray J did not come out 346 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: of nowhere and proclaim this. But and when I say 347 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,760 Speaker 1: proclaimed this meaning his innocence, but do we think ray 348 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 1: J went too far the racketeering charges? Because I think 349 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 1: and this while we'll bring you in judge. If they 350 00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: were charged with racketeering charges, I'm assuming that'll be public record. 351 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: So we talked about this before, but just again for 352 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:16,720 Speaker 2: a moment. 353 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 4: Of clarity, that's understanding with reco charges there are phases. 354 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 4: So during a rego charge, there's an investigative phase. There 355 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 4: is a phase where you actually decide if you're going 356 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:32,080 Speaker 4: to present to the grand jury, and then there is 357 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:37,560 Speaker 4: a phase where you're going to actually indict and charge. 358 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 4: And so throughout this journey you could start off as 359 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 4: a person of interest and by the time they get 360 00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 4: to the grand jury, you are a targeted person, meaning 361 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 4: we are looking to see if there are criminal charges 362 00:25:55,200 --> 00:26:00,800 Speaker 4: that may be filed against you. Again, without knowing any 363 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:07,320 Speaker 4: of the facts or being in ray J's brain, there's 364 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 4: no way for the public to know what he may 365 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:18,120 Speaker 4: or may not know, which is again, I'm assuming why 366 00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 4: the plain of file they lawsuit to begin with. And 367 00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:31,160 Speaker 4: ray J answered and said his response, but that's why 368 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: you cannot use public relations or PR strategies to discuss cases. 369 00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 4: You have to follow the facts and let these things 370 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 4: unfold in court. 371 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:48,400 Speaker 2: And I understand that people love hypotheticals because they play well, 372 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 2: what in the media. 373 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,040 Speaker 4: But I will say that social media is very, very loud, 374 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 4: but the courtroom is much quieter. 375 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:03,120 Speaker 1: Oh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, 376 00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: hold on. This is what Oprah Winfrey calls not a 377 00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: drop mic but a light bulb moment. 378 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,119 Speaker 3: Yes, I love that. 379 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: One more time. 380 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 4: Social media is very loud, but the courtroom is very quiet. H. 381 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 4: The courtroom is going to follow the evidence, and each 382 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 4: party is going to be able to do so. I 383 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 4: do think to be able to present the facts of 384 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 4: their case in a courtroom, I do think that it's 385 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,239 Speaker 4: worth mentioning mentioning the anti slap laws, yes, which are 386 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,320 Speaker 4: in place to make sure early on for a judge 387 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:56,440 Speaker 4: in any lawsuit. 388 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 2: And I've said this before. Anybody can file a. 389 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,879 Speaker 4: Lawsuit, but when we're talking about a defamation lawsuit, the 390 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 4: anti slap laws and statutes were put in place to 391 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 4: make sure that people are not filing lawsuits to silence others. 392 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 4: And so there may be a motion presented in court 393 00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,919 Speaker 4: where a judge is going to have to review early 394 00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 4: on the merits of the case to say, is this case. 395 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 2: Factually meyrit with factual. 396 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: Accusations that can move forward on the merits or is 397 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 4: this an attempt to silence someone? 398 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: So it's not a. 399 00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 4: Determination of who's right or who's wrong, or who did 400 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,880 Speaker 4: this or who did that, And especially when you're dealing 401 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 4: with public figures, it's just to say, Okay, let's make 402 00:28:55,280 --> 00:29:00,000 Speaker 4: sure everyone is playing by the rules. Can you elaborate 403 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 4: a little bit more on what the anti slap law 404 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 4: actually is for some of us as when I read 405 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 4: that yesterday and while doing the research on this, I 406 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: was like, Okay, what does that really mean and how 407 00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 4: does it protect? 408 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,000 Speaker 3: Who does it protect? 409 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 2: Per se? 410 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 4: It protects the public because again, is to make sure 411 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 4: that people do not file frivolous lawsuits. And if a 412 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 4: judge determines that you file this lawsuit based on the 413 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:43,280 Speaker 4: merits or the elements of the anti slap then they 414 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 4: can award the other party attorneys feats. 415 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 3: Okay. 416 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: So but the whole, the whole. 417 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 4: Goal is to make sure that I am not trying 418 00:29:55,080 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 4: to use a lawsuit to intimidate you to silence you. 419 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,120 Speaker 4: And I think it's also clear to know that this 420 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 4: is a state by state law. Okay, So this is 421 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 4: that there's no federal anti slap law. God that is 422 00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:22,680 Speaker 4: a state law, but depending on the state, some federal 423 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 4: curtains will allow. 424 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 2: You to present that argument. 425 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:36,840 Speaker 4: In this respect, the more power that a person like 426 00:30:36,840 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 4: a Kim Kardashian has, it could potentially it could potentially 427 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 4: work against her, especially if ray J is claiming that 428 00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 4: she keeps doing all of this as a publicity ploy, 429 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,360 Speaker 4: as a ploy for publicity, and it's it's interesting the 430 00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,520 Speaker 4: timing of all of this. And again I'm not alleging 431 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:07,479 Speaker 4: that she is at fault for doing this, but I 432 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,960 Speaker 4: can say just given the track record and history of 433 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:16,880 Speaker 4: just her, like I provided for us, even in our research, 434 00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 4: there was a timeline of events surrounding Kim and this 435 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 4: you know, this sex tape and it there have been 436 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:34,560 Speaker 4: lots of allegations of and claims that are conveniently positioned. 437 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:36,400 Speaker 3: On both sides. 438 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,480 Speaker 4: Actually, so my question is, as she's gained more power, 439 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 4: more notoriety, and ray J has been very steady in 440 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,840 Speaker 4: his statements of, hey, we agree to do this thing 441 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:57,680 Speaker 4: way back when we have both. 442 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 3: Evolved in our own set on our own. 443 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 4: Separate paths, but we also agreed to just not talk 444 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 4: about it anymore. 445 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 3: Like we've all moved on. We should have moved on. 446 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 4: The more popular you become one party becomes, the more antagonizing. 447 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 4: It also becomes for somebody such as Ray J. So 448 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:26,000 Speaker 4: I like that these this anti slap is in place 449 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 4: to at least help us as the public and the 450 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 4: consumers of all of these stories, understand that you cannot 451 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 4: You should not file these claims for hype and then 452 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 4: settle quietly. You're loud with the accusations. You should be 453 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 4: equally loud. 454 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:52,720 Speaker 3: And accountable for what you put out there. 455 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that. 456 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 4: What you're saying focuses on the timing in the sense 457 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 4: of the courtroom and the legal system. 458 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: So again. 459 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 4: You have to focus on the timeline of when all 460 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 4: of this happened, when the alleged breach happened, and the courts. 461 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 2: Are also going to consider. 462 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 4: Who actually had the authority to release. 463 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 2: Old footage new footage, stop. 464 00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:45,440 Speaker 4: It from entering into the marketplace, continuing to let it 465 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 4: move forward. Is it new in the sense of its 466 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 4: newly released but it's still old footage, or is it 467 00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 4: new something. 468 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 2: That was said recently? 469 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 4: So when you speak of timing, I understand what you're saying, 470 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 4: but every time I hear you say it, I think 471 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 4: about the timing of the facts of the case, and 472 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 4: that is what's going to play out in a courtroom 473 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 4: to decide if there is actually a breach in this 474 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,799 Speaker 4: case to begin with, if there's actually a defamation, and 475 00:34:18,920 --> 00:34:24,720 Speaker 4: if there's actually a privacy of some expectation of any 476 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 4: part of this saga. 477 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 3: Carlos, I have. 478 00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 4: A question for you, because I don't know if you've 479 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 4: watched All's Fair to Kardashian's new show that fighting viciously 480 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:49,960 Speaker 4: and ferociously for all things women, these kinds of scenarios 481 00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 4: play out on those on the show, similar situations have 482 00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:57,800 Speaker 4: been playing out. 483 00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 3: Do you think and I know the rain drops. 484 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 4: I love asking questions for the rain drops because that 485 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,280 Speaker 4: in that sense we think alike like the the messy 486 00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 4: middle questions. I'm gonna ask you, Carlos, do you think 487 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:20,279 Speaker 4: that the timing the terrible ratings that this has that 488 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,279 Speaker 4: they've been getting, They've been getting a lot of I 489 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,280 Speaker 4: like the show personally, I'm in I'm in for All's 490 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:30,400 Speaker 4: Fair and the fashion of it all. But because it 491 00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:35,799 Speaker 4: has been getting a lot of negative, negative, negative reviews, 492 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 4: do you think that them filing this lawsuit, the Kardashian's 493 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:45,440 Speaker 4: filing this lawsuit. Now Kim filing the lawsuit now has 494 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 4: any bearing. 495 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:51,799 Speaker 1: Eye You don't, No, And I'll say why because, in 496 00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: the words of just Tyranny, it's the timing of the facts. Yes, 497 00:35:54,920 --> 00:36:01,799 Speaker 1: Carlos King esquire. Yeah. The reason why I say that 498 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,839 Speaker 1: is because I look at the time he governed, right, 499 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:11,640 Speaker 1: So they the show All this fair came out October, 500 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,239 Speaker 1: No November, it was like two weeks ago. It came 501 00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: out two weeks ago. But yes, in October, though, is 502 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,840 Speaker 1: when Kim and Chris fault the defamation loss to against 503 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: ray j. So that happened October, which yes, yes, yeah, yes, 504 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,880 Speaker 1: is a month before the premiere. But we also have 505 00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,360 Speaker 1: to remember that what happened was in May of twenty 506 00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,160 Speaker 1: twenty five, is when he made these allegations, right as 507 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: he was featured in the TMZ documentary talking about the 508 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: federal case against Sean Puppy Combs where he did stay 509 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: and I quote, if you told me that the Kardashians 510 00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 1: was being charged for racketeering, I might believe it. And 511 00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: then you know, listen Courtney in May, quiet as a 512 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: church mouse. Nobody said Nate that right. It was then 513 00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: escalated in September of twenty twenty five during a live 514 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: stream where ray J alleged that he was working with 515 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,279 Speaker 1: federal authorities to build a racketeering case against Kim Kardashian 516 00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,760 Speaker 1: and Chris Jenner that was, in his worst worse than ditties. 517 00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: At the time, he presented no evidence. So then on 518 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: October first, right, so he doubled out on it in September. 519 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,440 Speaker 1: October first is when Kim Kardashian Chris Jenner filed the 520 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 1: defamation lawsuit against ray J in Los Angeles Superior Los 521 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: Angeles County Superior Course. So I don't think this has 522 00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,319 Speaker 1: anything to do with with the promotion of All's Fair. 523 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:56,400 Speaker 1: All's Fair. The ratings so far have been great, the 524 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: reviews have been terrible. But like you, I'm watching it. 525 00:37:59,200 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: I'm enjoying it. 526 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 3: I'm enjoying it. 527 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 1: I think I think if i'm if I'm Kim and Chris. 528 00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:13,279 Speaker 1: In May, you told TMZ in the documentary that if 529 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: we were charged with the racketeering, you would believe it. Okay, 530 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,840 Speaker 1: some might say, Okay, he tried it, let's move on, Like, 531 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:23,920 Speaker 1: let's move on it. 532 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 533 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:30,680 Speaker 1: Then June July August September, four months later, you go 534 00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: on live stream and you're saying you're working with federal authorities. 535 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:39,720 Speaker 1: Now it's like you could be messing up my Skimsdale brand. 536 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: My children have to see, like, Mami, are you being 537 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:47,080 Speaker 1: charged with the racketeering? So I think they have to 538 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,319 Speaker 1: do something to stop this from brewing, and right, can 539 00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: I just. 540 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:57,080 Speaker 4: Put a footnote into the elementary please, dude, just. 541 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,520 Speaker 2: One more time. We talked about it when we started. 542 00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:02,360 Speaker 2: But the one. 543 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:05,680 Speaker 4: You have to make a statement that can be proven 544 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 4: true or false. 545 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 2: It is not an opinion, okay, See, it has to 546 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:16,280 Speaker 2: be in the public form three. 547 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:24,120 Speaker 4: It actually has to be false. But remember there has 548 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:29,560 Speaker 4: to be harm. It can be financial or reputationally. 549 00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,280 Speaker 2: But there is another element. 550 00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:33,000 Speaker 3: When you are. 551 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:39,160 Speaker 4: Talking about a public figure. That person had to knowingly 552 00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 4: make a malicious statement with reckless disregard of the harmit 553 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:52,800 Speaker 4: with costs. Those are a lot of elements to prove, right. 554 00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 4: So again I want to restate that social media, the Internet, 555 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:07,880 Speaker 4: text messages, screenshots, SoundBite bites taken out of context is 556 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,400 Speaker 4: not evidence. 557 00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,920 Speaker 2: And it may not even be admitted as evidence in 558 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 2: a court. 559 00:40:15,520 --> 00:40:20,600 Speaker 4: It has to be authenticated as evidence by a judge 560 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 4: and allowed to be presented. 561 00:40:24,200 --> 00:40:28,160 Speaker 1: How was a judge able to authenticate the validity of 562 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: something like a text message. 563 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:35,879 Speaker 4: Well, it's not the judge that does that actually authenticates it. 564 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,759 Speaker 4: The judge makes the decision whether it is going to 565 00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 4: be admitted as authenticated evidence. The lawyers for each side 566 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 4: is going to put forward an argument of why it 567 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:49,240 Speaker 4: should be admitted. 568 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: Got it Okay? 569 00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,279 Speaker 4: Well, listen, even though she didn't pass the bar, she 570 00:40:57,040 --> 00:41:01,720 Speaker 4: is getting a lot of practice within her own personal 571 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,160 Speaker 4: life in dealing. 572 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,800 Speaker 2: With this madness. Courtney, shame. 573 00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,560 Speaker 1: Judge, Judge is Courtney. Of course it was shade. 574 00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 2: Delayed response. 575 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:25,120 Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. But no, listen, it's one 576 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:29,040 Speaker 1: of those things where this is ongoing. And again I 577 00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: just go back to it's so wild because you know, 578 00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:42,400 Speaker 1: this all happened so many moons ago, and I just 579 00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 1: feel like we, as you know, the audience, we sort 580 00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 1: of I feel like, listen, it goes to show you, 581 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,120 Speaker 1: you know, beyond the work that she has done. And 582 00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:57,879 Speaker 1: so it has right Jah, I'm not gonna say her 583 00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 1: by herself, Rank we we love he forgot about it 584 00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 1: because this all has happened Judge Terry in two thousand 585 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:11,720 Speaker 1: and seven, So to know that almost twenty years ago 586 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: we are dealing with. This is wild to me, but 587 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,279 Speaker 1: you know, I want to make sure that I, you know, 588 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 1: say this legal note. The judge will be proud of 589 00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:26,200 Speaker 1: me for doing this. As of today, the legal battle 590 00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: is ongoing. A lawyer for Kardashian Jenner has dismissed ray 591 00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:38,160 Speaker 1: J's counter suit as a frivolous and raveling distraction, and 592 00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:45,160 Speaker 1: both sides are now formally engage in litigation. The court 593 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:49,600 Speaker 1: will need to determine the validity of both the defamation 594 00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:55,000 Speaker 1: and breach of contract claims as the case proceeds. 595 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,400 Speaker 4: And again, I want to go back to the timeline 596 00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,479 Speaker 4: because I know that you mentioned has happened so long ago, right, 597 00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 4: But Courtney mentioned that there was a new contract that 598 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 4: was negotiated in twenty twenty three. 599 00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:13,000 Speaker 2: That's not that long ago. 600 00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 1: Well, and just so I'm clear the contract that was 601 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,680 Speaker 1: allegedly negotiate, because this is ray J's plan, was it 602 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: was a settlement for him saying he was the fame 603 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 1: on the Kardashians. Because I want to make sure holds. 604 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 1: I want to make sure I say exactly what he 605 00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: alleged that was said on the show. One second, because 606 00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: it was it was it was a word that they 607 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,839 Speaker 1: used on the show, and I want to make sure 608 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:54,120 Speaker 1: that I'd say exactly what he is saying he heard 609 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:55,680 Speaker 1: or what they said on the show. 610 00:43:56,040 --> 00:44:00,600 Speaker 4: Which may would violate the no discussion provision. And based 611 00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 4: off of that settlement, what did they say? 612 00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:11,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm doing my research now, okayfession. 613 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 4: Has confidentiality clauses in contracts that prevents people from speaking 614 00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:23,239 Speaker 4: about the matter. And again, generally, if you have a 615 00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,719 Speaker 4: breach a contract, there's going to generally be some kind 616 00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:32,240 Speaker 4: of monetary damages involved if you have been ruled. 617 00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:34,080 Speaker 2: To actually breach that contract. 618 00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:39,960 Speaker 4: Not often, but sometimes there can be punitive damages awarded. 619 00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:43,840 Speaker 2: Again, but the conduct would have had to be a greecious. 620 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,360 Speaker 1: Yes, So this is what it was on the Kardashian 621 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:51,280 Speaker 1: episode that aired April twenty twenty two. On the show, 622 00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:56,160 Speaker 1: it his complained. The complaint claims that Kardashian said ray 623 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:59,440 Speaker 1: J gave their leak sex tape which he knows he 624 00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: never present as to his former manager, and that he 625 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:06,560 Speaker 1: sexually assaulted her while she was asleep. 626 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 3: Oh and there was a settlement. 627 00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,239 Speaker 4: Yeah, so then, j Okay, So that states may involved 628 00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,880 Speaker 4: civil and criminal allegations. 629 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:22,000 Speaker 1: Yes, so ray J and this is all in the 630 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,560 Speaker 1: this is all public record, ray J states that he 631 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,920 Speaker 1: messaged Kardashian on Instagram in April twenty twenty two to 632 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,080 Speaker 1: confront her about the remarks made about him on The 633 00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:36,520 Speaker 1: Kardashians Kardashian This is, according to him, He's alleging that 634 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: Kardashian begged him to go along with yet another false 635 00:45:39,360 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: story that she wanted to run on the show, that 636 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,600 Speaker 1: they were working with Vivid to remove the sex tape 637 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:49,439 Speaker 1: from the Internet, and then when ray J subsequently sued 638 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: Kardashian Jenna over the statements, the trio reached a settlement 639 00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,880 Speaker 1: in April twenty twenty three. Per the following According to 640 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,720 Speaker 1: the cross complaint, kardashianer and their production company allegedly agreed 641 00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:06,239 Speaker 1: to pay ray J six million dollars to ensure that 642 00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: no further mention or public reference to the sex tape 643 00:46:09,680 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 1: is mentioned on The Kardashians, and any further disparagement entitles 644 00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:18,280 Speaker 1: ray J two one million dollars in liquid ted damages. 645 00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: So this will be ongoing. Listen, this is this is 646 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,399 Speaker 1: like Courney said, this seems like an episode all fair 647 00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:34,439 Speaker 1: which rain droft. You can catch on Hulu every Tuesday night. 648 00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:39,120 Speaker 1: Just Tarranny Courtney Parker Corney Parker says she'll be watching. 649 00:46:39,280 --> 00:46:43,799 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I will say it as we lead, just 650 00:46:43,840 --> 00:46:47,279 Speaker 4: because you guys loved it so much. Just remember that 651 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:51,000 Speaker 4: the courtroom is quiet in social media because the courtroom 652 00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,400 Speaker 4: is where the real decisions will be made. 653 00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:58,160 Speaker 1: Amen, herey here we all right, rain drop. That's another 654 00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:03,160 Speaker 1: episode Reality Crime Stories, and we'll see you next time 655 00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:10,200 Speaker 1: with another one. Reality with the King is executive produced 656 00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:14,640 Speaker 1: by me Carlos King, produced by Lizzie Nimitz, and a 657 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:18,879 Speaker 1: partnership with the Lack Effect Network. You can also find 658 00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:24,000 Speaker 1: us on my YouTube channel at the Carlos King Underscore