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Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton, with

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Speaker 1: it is interesting, I keep telling everybody, and this also

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Speaker 1: ties into Trump's hole. Well, I'm gonna have the House

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Speaker 1: investigate this. He's the commander in chief. He has real

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Speaker 1: time declassification authority, right, every administration, every president rather does

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Speaker 1: and that's just that's understood. That's not in dispute if

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Speaker 1: the president says it's unclassified and the public needs to know.

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Speaker 1: That is the law every president, every commander in chief. Right.

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Speaker 1: So he may have done that with New Yas, he

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Speaker 1: may not have, but it's still then raises the question

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Speaker 1: of absolutely I think we didn't know what happened here

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Speaker 1: because if he authorized Unius to go out and want

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Speaker 1: was this that Frankly, I'm not a lawyer, but that

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Speaker 1: looks like collusion with the share of the House committee

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Speaker 1: that is invested in possible presidential collusion with Moscow. This

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Speaker 1: gets very weird, very fast. Like the whole thing is

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Speaker 1: getting very weird, very fast. John, But can you deal

447
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Speaker 1: with the unmanned? So here's here's as I see it here,

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Speaker 1: and look, I'm a former CIA analysts, as you guys

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00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: all listening to I dealt with insurgency and uh, you

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Speaker 1: know more, you know, I didn't deal with the signal

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Speaker 1: side of things, signals intelligence. John is a former n

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Speaker 1: say or so that wasn't This is right in his wheelhouse.

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Speaker 1: So explained to me, Um what it is here when

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Speaker 1: he's talking about unmasking. It seems to be that what

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Speaker 1: they're saying is, look, there was some intelligence collection going

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Speaker 1: on and someone got into something that touched on on

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Speaker 1: some Trump associate or Trump himself or what you know,

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Speaker 1: We don't know, but something that just saying and then

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Speaker 1: somebody and this would have been or correct me if

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Speaker 1: I'm wrong, this would have then been, if not an

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Speaker 1: illegal step, certainly an unethical step decided to go through

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Speaker 1: the unmasked process for political point scoring is and if

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Speaker 1: what's Yas has said is true, and I have to

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Speaker 1: tell you that's a very big if ethics and laws

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Speaker 1: were violated here by the Emboma administration. But I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you, I'm very skeptical of what Mr Nunia said

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Speaker 1: because it might explain how this works. Give me a

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Speaker 1: minute here, Um, if n s A collects, you know,

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Speaker 1: intercepts information between a valid foreign intelligence target. Let's say,

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Speaker 1: you know, a a foreign terrorist operating in Yemen or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and there's some American what we call U S person

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Speaker 1: that is an American or someone legally resident United States

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Speaker 1: is calling up the foreign terrorist and yet well, and

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Speaker 1: of course that gets reported. The fact that you know,

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Speaker 1: someone's talking about a future terrorist operation was a known

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Speaker 1: say al Qaeda operative or whatever operative in Yemen, that

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Speaker 1: gets reported in a very limited distribution intelligence channels, let's

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Speaker 1: say the FBI, because they do their job, it's really

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Speaker 1: curious who that American is, right, they probably want to

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Speaker 1: figure out who that American is and perhaps set up

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Speaker 1: surveillance on that American. They turn around the n s

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Speaker 1: A and say, gosh, we really need to know who

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Speaker 1: that U S person is, and SABLES send a special

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Speaker 1: report to the FBI very limited distribution, identifying that American

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Speaker 1: person for the purposes of legal investigation and you know,

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Speaker 1: who knows, maybe prosecution if someone's violating our grass of

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Speaker 1: terrorism laws. To put this in your sort of counter

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Speaker 1: terrorism former world buck what you know, but this is

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Speaker 1: very limited distribution. What Nunion has has done is accused

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Speaker 1: of previous White House of basically treating unmasking as a

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Speaker 1: political game. I highly doubt that happened. But if that

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Speaker 1: did happen, that's a very very serious matter. Let's make

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Speaker 1: very clear that a lot of laws of rules were broken.

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Speaker 1: If that happened, how do you think we how do

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Speaker 1: you think we got to the Flynn phone call? Because

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Speaker 1: people are tying all these things. I'm I'm not surprised

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Speaker 1: by that. And despite the House Republicans efforts on Monday

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Speaker 1: during the marathon testimony with f I FBI director Comedy

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Speaker 1: and ns A director Rogers to get them to sort

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Speaker 1: of point the finger at the Intelligent community, I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: sure that leak happened much closer to the powers circles

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Speaker 1: in d C. And that was a case where look,

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Speaker 1: i mean, if you're n s A and you've got

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Speaker 1: you know, the future National Spirit Advisor getting all chatty

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Speaker 1: with the Russian ambassador, that's that's a pretty exciting thing.

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Speaker 1: But that's also going to be in very limited channels

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Speaker 1: of report distribution. Someone leaked that. I'm very confident it

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Speaker 1: was an N s A or c I A, but

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Speaker 1: probably someone much closer to the White House. So what

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Speaker 1: what I want to ask you? And we're gonna actually

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Speaker 1: you know. John, Can we go to a break now

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Speaker 1: and take you on the other side so we can

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Speaker 1: all right, we're talking to We're talking to John Shindler, everybody.

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Speaker 1: He's a former n s A currently in a writer

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Speaker 1: for The New York Observer on intelligence and national security issues.

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Speaker 1: Observer dot com for his latest and John, Uh, stay

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Speaker 1: with us, team, We'll be right back. Welcome back, team.

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Speaker 1: We've got John Schindler on the line. He's a He's

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Speaker 1: a former n s A analyst and also counterintelligence officer.

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Speaker 1: He writes for The New York Observer. Go to observer

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Speaker 1: dot com for his latest must read analysis of national security. John,

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Speaker 1: We've got about five minutes and change here. I wanted

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Speaker 1: to get you on a few more things. We have

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Speaker 1: allegations about Manafort. Here's what Shawn's iSER had to say.

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Speaker 1: His representation of foreign clients is public and similar to

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Speaker 1: the work of Tony Podesta, a Clinton campaign fundraiser. His

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Speaker 1: brother John chared Hillary Clinton's campaign last year, not last decade.

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Speaker 1: Tony Podesta lobby against sanctions for Russia's largest bank, and

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Speaker 1: John Podesta, Clinton's campaign chair, sat on the board of

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Speaker 1: a Russian based energy company. This was something tied to

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Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton was the face of the failed Russia reset policy.

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Speaker 1: All right, so now we're going into Hillar. Now we're

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Speaker 1: going to All the Podesta stuff, by the way, is

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Speaker 1: true and worth people knowing. But tell talk to me

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Speaker 1: about this Maniford stuff for a minute. Yeah, I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I reported on some of the Podesta groups s charring

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Speaker 1: ties was Russia last year and and it's unpleasant stuff.

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Speaker 1: But the Manifort thing is just off the charts. This

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Speaker 1: is Paul Manaford, who the White House claims they hardly know,

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Speaker 1: but of course he's a long time GOP political operative.

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Speaker 1: He's known the President's is played in his seventies, and

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Speaker 1: he of course was the campaign manager for the pivotal

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Speaker 1: period when then candidate Trump became the Republican nominee, and

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Speaker 1: he had to step down in August on some of

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Speaker 1: his ties to Moscow became a little too obvious, so

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Speaker 1: many force a known guy. He was making between two

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Speaker 1: thousand six and two thousand nine or so ten million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year. Additionally, whatever else he was doing for

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Speaker 1: representing Putin's interests abroad and giving the Kremlin a better face.

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Speaker 1: This was arranged through a Kremlin plint oligarch named Oleg Deripaska,

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Speaker 1: well known Putin connected guy. This is super shady stuff. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and manafort is isn't a lot of trouble here? Because

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Speaker 1: this doesn't look good? And of course I only have

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Speaker 1: two questions. Did the President know that his campaign manager

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Speaker 1: was making ten million dollars a year carrying Putin's water?

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Speaker 1: And if he didn't know, why the hell didn't know that? Um,

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Speaker 1: there's no way to make this look good. This is

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Speaker 1: this is really bad stuff, and it moves the whole

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Speaker 1: issue with Trump and the Russians a different level. We're

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Speaker 1: talking big money. Now. This isn't Trump change. This is

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Speaker 1: real money. And I maintained, as you know for a

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Speaker 1: long time that Trump's relationship with Moscow, although it involves intelligence,

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Speaker 1: is fundamentally about money and men forts become part of

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Speaker 1: that in a very public way. Right now, what do

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Speaker 1: you think happens here? John? Well? Um, you know, if

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Speaker 1: I'm Paul manaford a ten million dollars a year, you

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Speaker 1: can afford some really good lawyers. I'd certainly want to,

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Speaker 1: you know, start talking to Partner of Justice about a

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Speaker 1: deal because this, this isn't gonna be good for him.

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Speaker 1: The Ukrainian authorities won him sent back over there for

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Speaker 1: his illegal, illegal work for the former government there. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, Paul Manafort kind of got thrown under the

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Speaker 1: bus by the White House. Frankly this week on after

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Speaker 1: Monday's tobacco and on on Capitol Hill, Sean spites you

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Speaker 1: whom you put on basically implied like you know Paul Manafort.

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Speaker 1: I mean, we hardly know who's that. Uh. If I

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Speaker 1: were Paul Manaford and that handwashing being so public, I'd

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Speaker 1: be talking to Department of Justice. To be honest with you, John,

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Speaker 1: I mean, what is in your mind at this point?

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Speaker 1: What is the what is the best case scenario for

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration with all this Russia Thai stuff? What

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Speaker 1: is the worst case scenario? Actually? I think I think

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Speaker 1: honestly this firstally time, because what's our Nuniaz did today

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Speaker 1: was I'll be shocked if it wasn't coordinated with the

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Speaker 1: White House. I can't prove that, but I'd be shocked

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Speaker 1: if it wasn't. This was a counter attack on the

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Speaker 1: entire idea of a dispassionate investigation of whatever Trump's Russia

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Speaker 1: ties are, whatever that mysterious he is. And let me

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Speaker 1: say I fully favor and we know today we need

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Speaker 1: it after this debacle day. We need an independent, nonpartisan

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Speaker 1: investigation of that. But let's deal with that later. What

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Speaker 1: we now know is sufficiently troubling that the awkward questions

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Speaker 1: get asked. And what Nunias did today was either a

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Speaker 1: successful effort to kill off his own congressional committees investigation

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Speaker 1: of Trump's ties with Russia, which the FBI we now

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Speaker 1: know thanks DCTR Comy, is pursuing on its own, or

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Speaker 1: it will be the beginning of this getting really rough

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Speaker 1: for the Trump administration. Nunias was too obvious tied up

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Speaker 1: with I mean, on Monday, represent Nuniaz was constantly complaining

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Speaker 1: on camera about leaks of classified and yet today he

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Speaker 1: seems to have lead the whole a whole bunch of classified,

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Speaker 1: which looks very strange. Today was a big day. The

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Speaker 1: history books, when they get written, will show that today,

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Speaker 1: twenty to March to two thousand seventeen was a big day.

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Speaker 1: And where this is going? And I my hunch tells

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Speaker 1: me unless Team Trump starts coming clean fast, this isn't

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Speaker 1: going anywhere. Good for them. Okay, but give me what

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Speaker 1: is the Is there a scenario here where Manafort has

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Speaker 1: bad uh, you know, had some bad stuff going on overseas,

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Speaker 1: but it's really just Manafort and it's not and also

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Speaker 1: some bad judgment from go ahead. Well, yeah, it could

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Speaker 1: be Manafort, it could be Roger Stone, it could be

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Speaker 1: Mike Sklinn, all people who were close to Trump who

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Speaker 1: had very weird and possibly illegal ties to Russians. At

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Speaker 1: some point you have to start asking how many of

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Speaker 1: these isolated cases have to happen for us to start

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Speaker 1: asking questions about sorry to go there, I'll i'll water gate.

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Speaker 1: What's the president now? And when did you know it?

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Speaker 1: My suspicion is the White House is now gonna be

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Speaker 1: working basically full time on tamping this down. It's not

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Speaker 1: clear to me as they can. I think today was

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Speaker 1: a watershed event that showed that the Trump administration will

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Speaker 1: to play hardball. They're not going to admit they've lied

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Speaker 1: publicly about all of this, and it's gonna get pretty

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Speaker 1: weird for all of us pretty soon. Do you think

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Speaker 1: anyone ends up going to anyone ends up going to

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Speaker 1: jail over any of this? Yes, I I do think so. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that, Well, what what aspects of it? I mean,

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Speaker 1: what would be petically the crime that a Trump associate

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Speaker 1: may have been caught up in here. I keep asking,

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Speaker 1: including former federal prosecutors, this, what would be the crime?

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Speaker 1: You think the most obvious thing would be acting as

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Speaker 1: an agent of a foreign power without filing appropriate paperwork

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Speaker 1: with the National Security Division of the Justice Department, which

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Speaker 1: we know Mike Flynn didn't do. It's not clear that

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Speaker 1: Paul Manaford has done. Um. You know, but they usually

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Speaker 1: don't send people to prison for that, right, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's they get you on that when they can't get

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Speaker 1: you on espionage, because espionage is very hard to prove. Um. No,

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Speaker 1: people don't usually go to jail, but they might. And

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Speaker 1: of course the nightmare scenarif of the Trump people has

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Speaker 1: got to be all the eighties. One person to start

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Speaker 1: cooperating with the Feds, and it all starts coming apart um.

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Speaker 1: Representative Adams shifted ranking member that is a Democratic member

645
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Speaker 1: of the hipsie the House Intelligence to me today said

646
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Speaker 1: he previously said we have circumstantial evidence of collusion with

647
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Speaker 1: Team Trump in Russia. Today on live television, he said, no,

648
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Speaker 1: it's more than circumstantial, given that to he's a former

649
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Speaker 1: federal federal prosecutor who put an FBI agent in jail

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Speaker 1: for spying from Moscow. I think we might want to

651
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Speaker 1: pay attention to that. All right, We're gonna keep a

652
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: very close eye on all of this. You guys will

653
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Speaker 1: all want to check out John Schindler's latest on the Observer.

654
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Speaker 1: Go to observer dot com. He's a former n Essay

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Speaker 1: Intelligence and counter intelligence account intelligence officer and intelligence analyst. Uh. John,

656
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Speaker 1: great to have you, sir, looking forward to have you

657
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Speaker 1: with us in the Freedom in the Freedom Hunt. Yeah wait,

658
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Speaker 1: thanks brother, all right, take care. Uh, guys, phone lines

659
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: are open. Obviously a lot to talk about here. What

660
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Speaker 1: do you think about the new US press conference? What

661
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Speaker 1: are your thoughts on how we should respond to this

662
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: terrorist attack in London? We've got that plus healthcare, Obamacare appeal,

663
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Speaker 1: and a whole lot more coming up. Blud Sexton with

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Speaker 1: America Now. The Freedom Hut is fired up as Team

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Speaker 1: Buck assembles shouldered as shoulder shields high call in eight

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Speaker 1: four four nine d Buck. That's eight four four to

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Speaker 1: eight to five. Welcome back, Team Buck. So much to

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Speaker 1: get through, so much to talk about today. I really

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Speaker 1: appreciate you spending your time with me. Here. I hope

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Speaker 1: you find the conversation to be particularly enlightening, especially with

671
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Speaker 1: some of the guests we have on. We will be

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Speaker 1: joined by Ian Hersey Ali later. We just had planned

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Speaker 1: this to to talk to her about a report on radicalization,

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Speaker 1: but given the events of today with this terrorists act,

675
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Speaker 1: to have I on on would be it will be

676
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Speaker 1: a particularly worthwhile and uh illuminating discussion. I believe eight

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Speaker 1: four four n eight to five. And you also have

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Speaker 1: new that's the phone number, call it Light them Up team.

679
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Speaker 1: You have NUNA speaking about all this surveillance, uh, you know,

680
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Speaker 1: signals and intelligence stuff that's going on, and UM we

681
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 1: have John Schindler from the NSA to join and talk

682
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Speaker 1: about it. You know, all these allegations about signals, intelligence,

683
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Speaker 1: all these allegations about surveillance. UM, A lot, a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about, A lot going on. So with that

685
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Speaker 1: all of mine, I wanted to get to some of

686
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Speaker 1: your calls, and let's start with UH Ken in Mississippi

687
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Speaker 1: on w BUV. What's up Ken? How are you going?

688
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm good? How are you I'm good? Mr Shimmer still there, Schindler, No,

689
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Speaker 1: he's gone on to do some other stuff. John Schindler's

690
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 1: his name. Okay, Well he revealed who he was by

691
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: his comments on your show. He's a partisan Democrat and

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Speaker 1: he may be N s A but formerly he's formerly

693
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Speaker 1: N s A obviously, but yeah, form the A. He's a.

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Speaker 1: He's a partisan Democrat. You try to ask them, is

695
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Speaker 1: you know, if that's the only result is that it's

696
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Speaker 1: gonna happen. No, I mean Man of Ford for example,

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Speaker 1: If I mean Man of Fort been away from his

698
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: campaign since what six months ago? Uh? Maybe yeah, maybe

699
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: Trump didn't uh you know, check out his his background

700
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Speaker 1: background check good enough to to realize that he had

701
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Speaker 1: some connections and uh, the commitments with Russia. But guess what,

702
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:29,680
Speaker 1: that's not Trump's. I mean, he don't have at that time,

703
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Speaker 1: he didn't have the FBI and all these agencies to

704
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Speaker 1: go do background checks and everything else, uh, which would

705
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Speaker 1: be required. And I'm sorry, you know, uh, Trump's not

706
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Speaker 1: connected to that. And the fact that this guy still

707
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Speaker 1: wants to say, oh, it's going to him that with Trump, Look,

708
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 1: you ask for the best and worst of it. The

709
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: best the best of it is the Democrats are going

710
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,959
Speaker 1: to have big time egg on their faith and he's

711
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Speaker 1: trying to low. All this stuff that devil Noon has

712
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Speaker 1: is uh talking about and talked about today. I'm sorry,

713
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna come out and it's gonna point right back

714
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Speaker 1: to the Obama administration. And guess when these people reveals

715
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Speaker 1: people's names, that's a felly right there. And he just

716
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Speaker 1: he just passed all that stuff. Well, he was talking.

717
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Speaker 1: We we we did, we touched on the unmasking. Oh look, God,

718
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Speaker 1: I I want to be very clear on this. John

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Speaker 1: Um knows what he's talking about. He is all and

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be. I'm not trying to speak for John,

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Speaker 1: especially if he's listening. John, if you want to call

722
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Speaker 1: back in, you can address this yourself. Um. But he

723
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: believes very strongly that there was nefarious stuff going on

724
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Speaker 1: with the Trump administration, with the Trump uh uh, when

725
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,600
Speaker 1: you're running for president, when you are a president campaign.

726
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Speaker 1: Sorry the word I just blanked on it, with a

727
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Speaker 1: Trump campaign, and I disagree. But let's be clear also

728
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Speaker 1: that that's an interpretation of data points that we currently have.

729
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Speaker 1: Nobody can say definitively that there was anything nefarious a

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump or his senior associates, even at this point,

731
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Speaker 1: including Manifort. Although Manafort may have some problems on his hands.

732
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Speaker 1: No one can say that they did. I don't think

733
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Speaker 1: that they did. I don't believe this went all the

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Speaker 1: way up to the president. UH. John clearly does. But

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Speaker 1: he understands the processes that we're talking about today. He

736
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Speaker 1: understands really when when Representative nun Yez is getting into

737
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Speaker 1: all of this, how that side of UH intelligence collection works.

738
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Speaker 1: So I wanted to bring him on to to share

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Speaker 1: that expertise. He's very open about the fact that he

740
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Speaker 1: does not look. He's very open a thing. You know.

741
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Speaker 1: He doesn't like, UH, he doesn't like or trust Trump that.

742
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Speaker 1: There are plenty of Republicans though out there who are

743
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: still never Trump, whether they're open about it or not.

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Speaker 1: UM and some of them, I I actually prefer the

745
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Speaker 1: ones that are open about it at least tell her

746
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Speaker 1: that feel that way, or at least open about it.

747
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Speaker 1: But I'm speaking more for John that I mean. I

748
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: don't mean to speak for him at all, but I

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Speaker 1: just try to give you some background on if somebody

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Speaker 1: has real expertise and information that they can share on

751
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: this show, I'm not going to I don't just pick

752
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: it based on you know, this isn't a Trump cheerleader

753
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: section right, And I'm not saying you want that, Ken,

754
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: But I don't come here night after night to tell

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Speaker 1: you about how awesome Donald Trump is. I voted for Trump.

756
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,879
Speaker 1: I support Trump. I want his agenda to go through

757
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Speaker 1: because I think it's best for the American people. I

758
00:43:19,120 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: have more faith in Trump's goodwill and and andy and

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Speaker 1: his uh intentions for the country than a lot of

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Speaker 1: other Republicans do, including Republicans who have or conservatives. I

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Speaker 1: use those terms. I mean, I'm a Republican and a conservative.

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Speaker 1: I don't walk away from the republican term. Some people do,

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Speaker 1: but can I try to lack of a better way

764
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Speaker 1: of putting it, I try to keep it real, and

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Speaker 1: night in and night out, I'll show up and tell

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Speaker 1: everybody here that listens day in and day out what

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Speaker 1: I think about what's going on here. I do not

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Speaker 1: believe that Donald Trump did anything illegal or colluded with

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Speaker 1: the Russians in any way, shape or form. I do

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Speaker 1: think that General Flynn showed some poor judgment in who

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Speaker 1: he was accepting money from in the immediate months, even

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Speaker 1: before he was going to become National Security advisor. And

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Speaker 1: Mike Pence obviously agree because he hasked him to step down.

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Speaker 1: I do think that Paul Manaford has some interesting questions

775
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Speaker 1: to answer about what he was doing just because he

776
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: got paid by foreign I mean, Podesta and Podesta's peeps

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00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:15,240
Speaker 1: were getting paid all kinds of money by the Russians.

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Speaker 1: And no one's saying they're gonna go to jail or

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Speaker 1: didn't illegal no, so, but so kinda I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: give a full you know, there are other places that

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Speaker 1: one and I would never I'm not saying anyone should

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Speaker 1: go to them. There are other places one can go

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Speaker 1: if you just want. Trump is amazing. Trump is amazing.

784
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Speaker 1: Trump is amazing. Anyone who even criticizes somebody who works

785
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: for Trump is a jerk and a trader. You know,

786
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Speaker 1: I just I can't do that, and I can't. I

787
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Speaker 1: don't think you want that. So I'm just trying to

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Speaker 1: say that I bring multiple perspectives here as long as

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Speaker 1: it's based. And you know, Schindler is a smart guy,

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Speaker 1: and he knows this world, meaning the world of intelligence,

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Speaker 1: and he got so many people that go on TV,

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Speaker 1: and I can tell you this is somebody else who,

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Speaker 1: by the way, knows the intelligence world better than a

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Speaker 1: lot of the people going on TV, including members of

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Speaker 1: the House and such, you talk about it, so, you know,

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Speaker 1: but I try not to wave that around like I'm

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00:45:01,080 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: some sort of uh savant, But it's You've got two

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Speaker 1: people here talking who really know the ins and outs

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Speaker 1: of the intelligence community, and also you know where we

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Speaker 1: can go in a responsible fashion in the discussion and

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00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,360
Speaker 1: where we have to avoid discussion. So but look, Schindler's

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00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 1: very critical of Trump, and he doesn't hide it, and

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Speaker 1: he doesn't pretend so. And I asked him for both

804
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 1: sides of it, and I think he gave more of

805
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 1: a negative Trump side. But that's the way he feels.

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00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: If you're you know, you listen to me, I'll tell

807
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Speaker 1: you that I think that somebody was playing politics. They

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Speaker 1: unmasked or somehow leaked information about about Flynn's phone call.

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00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 1: This is all based on public reported news sources and

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Speaker 1: also now talked about by people with classified access in

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Speaker 1: the government openly, including Noon Yez and members of the

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Speaker 1: of the Trump administration. So we should be able to

813
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 1: discuss it too. And that was dirty, it was political payback,

814
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Speaker 1: and somebody should be held accountable for that. On the

815
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Speaker 1: Russia Trump collusion, ken I don't see it. But then again,

816
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 1: we're not we're not totally done yet, so I can't

817
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Speaker 1: definitively say nothing happened with Maniford or nothing happened with

818
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Speaker 1: Roger Stone. Go ahead, go ahead. So I know I've

819
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 1: been talking a lot, but I wanted to clear all

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Speaker 1: that up. Yeah, okay, and I got you. I don't

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Speaker 1: really want to impression Mr Schumer or what's his name, Schular, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: John Schindler's his name. He writes for The Observer. Okay, well,

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Speaker 1: I just think he was real quick to go from

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Speaker 1: A to Z. He skipped b CB, you know, in

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Speaker 1: regards to Trump. He elitked real quick. So I mean

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Speaker 1: it just reveals kind of is bias. Oh he but

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00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: he's up front. But he's up front. Understand this. He's

828
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Speaker 1: not pretending to be a nonpartisan, non ideological observer of

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Speaker 1: national security events. He thinks that the Trump team, that

830
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Speaker 1: people on the Trump team are dirty. He's open about that.

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Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they're dirty. I got some

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Speaker 1: questions about Maniford and Roger Stone. I don't know what

833
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: that guy's deal is. Doesn't they have a giant tattoo

834
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Speaker 1: of Nixon on his back? Am I right about that?

835
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Speaker 1: I think? So? Am I crazy? Am I making that up?

836
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Speaker 1: I got? Can someone check that for me? Sometimes things

837
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: popping my head wrong? But Ken, look man, I I

838
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: appreciate you, uh, you know, holding us accountable here, make

839
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Speaker 1: sure that we are fair to the issues. And that's

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Speaker 1: what I try to do every night. And that's why

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Speaker 1: I hope you keep listening. Man, thanks for calling it

842
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,480
Speaker 1: for Mississippi. I appreciate her brother. She'ld tie. Let's get

843
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: uh Walter in Florida on w n t M. What's up, Walter?

844
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Speaker 1: Hey buck. Let me start by saying, I have to

845
00:47:26,000 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: enjoy your shadow. I like Megan pretty well when she

846
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: was in the seat. You know. Unfortunately a lot of

847
00:47:34,000 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: her people just went over pitch too many times for

848
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Speaker 1: me to appreciate the good parts of hole. So I

849
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: like your background. I like your service. Thanks for your service.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. I just want to get that off

851
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Speaker 1: led you're in this time spot. I'm I'm as I said,

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Speaker 1: I have three things. I'm concerned. He you know, uh,

853
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 1: I'm concerned it So many of our Republican leaders were

854
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:07,040
Speaker 1: so quick to move to investigate things that were really

855
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: nothing more than what is really rivers, and those rumors

856
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,200
Speaker 1: seemed to have been spread very much by the past administration.

857
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Speaker 1: And I'm I don't I'm not an intelligence guy. I'm

858
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:22,839
Speaker 1: not a person that gets to look at signal intelligence.

859
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:27,839
Speaker 1: But it troubles me be that we don't have any

860
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:32,360
Speaker 1: information about the two million dollars that went to the

861
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: Clinton's and then within months of our uranium reserves were

862
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:41,480
Speaker 1: gone to the Russian knowledge or Russia you can if

863
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 1: you want, you can look for a tweet Walter or

864
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,479
Speaker 1: I said, uh, sarcastically, it's a good thing Russia wasn't

865
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,120
Speaker 1: a security risk while Bill Clinton was getting paid five

866
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars by the Russians for a speech while

867
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Speaker 1: his wife was Secretary of State and deciding to hand

868
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,320
Speaker 1: over twenty of our uranium. So this newfound Russia is

869
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,880
Speaker 1: so scary thing the Democrats have. He's very disingenuous and

870
00:49:01,960 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: very hypocritical, right and shift for your for similar to

871
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: somehow make shift to authority. He's been attack dogs from

872
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:15,759
Speaker 1: the day that president became president. And I'm somebody that

873
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: came to Donald Trump Lake. But the more that I

874
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: see of him, the more that I think he's on target.

875
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: And the last thing I was gonna say was, you know,

876
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: it is so telling that here in Ninia has comes

877
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 1: forward with real, actual information of intelligence reports that he's

878
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: seen unmasked, with notes that are personal and professional on

879
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: these people that have been unmasked, has been distributed to

880
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: seventeen different UH organizations within the intelligence community, and all

881
00:49:50,320 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: that Jake Tapper asked about is already covered for the president.

882
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,719
Speaker 1: To me, that that tells the story that we already knew.

883
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: But each time these people speak of out things that

884
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:04,200
Speaker 1: that are should be substantivee in they in, they discount,

885
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,640
Speaker 1: and they mollify the reality that we may have a

886
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: past president that broke the law. We know he did

887
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:14,600
Speaker 1: more than once. UH, and you know he's not been

888
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: held accountable. I don't know that he needs to go

889
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: to jail, but somebody in the in the Justice Department

890
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:23,920
Speaker 1: or in the intelligence community. And I don't want to

891
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:27,719
Speaker 1: say that Comey is it is a partisan, But I'm

892
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm I'm struggling to find out what he is. I

893
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: used to think he's an honorable man, but he's either

894
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: telling lies or people are telling lies to him. It

895
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 1: just seems so apparent that he doesn't have a clear

896
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: picture either because he got before Congress had made statements

897
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Speaker 1: that have improven on the face faults today by new nets,

898
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Speaker 1: and that's why he came out. I'm sure he said,

899
00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: you know you here we had the leading of the

900
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 1: n s A, the leader of the FBI, and they

901
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: both told us there was nothing. And now I found

902
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:56,680
Speaker 1: that there's something. What would you do if you were

903
00:50:56,680 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: a demand had just been Walter, I just wanted to

904
00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: say that I've follow and everything that I can. You know,

905
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: if I had, if I had classified access, still, I

906
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: obviously couldn't even talk about these things, right, But I

907
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 1: used to and have a familiarity with how these systems work,

908
00:51:10,719 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 1: what the laws are around them. And I can tell

909
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,000
Speaker 1: you I have seen nothing so far that makes me

910
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: question the loyalty of the president of the United States. Nothing.

911
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: Now that's my that's my assessment. There are others who

912
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,759
Speaker 1: may and certainly a lot of Democrats disagree, but there

913
00:51:24,760 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: are other conservatives who may disagree. I have seen nothing, uh,

914
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:30,880
Speaker 1: And I think it's a very dangerous charge, very dangerous

915
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: for this country and its future to start to suggest,

916
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 1: as some have, that the president would sell out his country.

917
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 1: Another way of saying that is engage in treason for

918
00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: what for a bag of a bag of you know,

919
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:45,120
Speaker 1: rubles under the table. I don't think so. Thank you

920
00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: for calling in Walter, Thank you for calling him man,

921
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: She'll say here in the freedom of my friends, we

922
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:58,719
Speaker 1: strive for accuracy and transparency, and so it's with that

923
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:02,160
Speaker 1: in mind, I'll tell you that. Yeah, indeed, Roger Stone

924
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 1: does have a tattoo of Richard Nixon on his back.

925
00:52:05,600 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: There are photos available online. You google them at your

926
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 1: own risk, my friends, but there is there is a

927
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,719
Speaker 1: Richard Nixon tattoo on this guy's back. Wow, there is that.

928
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: And we also are going to I think reach out

929
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:21,400
Speaker 1: to Mr Stone to see if he would like to

930
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: come on the show and explain what the heck is

931
00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:27,919
Speaker 1: going on in here with all this stuff. Would we'd

932
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:31,000
Speaker 1: love to get Manafort on, But I'm pretty sure Manafort

933
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: is going to be I'm pretty sure the people that

934
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 1: are supposed to comment for those who are supposed to

935
00:52:35,680 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: comment for Manafort are gonna be saying no comment for

936
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:41,239
Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. That would be my guess. But we'll try.

937
00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:43,919
Speaker 1: We'll try, because we're fair to people here in the Hut.

938
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:47,200
Speaker 1: We just want the truth and we want have some

939
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: fun while we find it too. Keith in Arkansas on

940
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: the I Heart app, what's up, Keith? Oh, I'm sorry? What?

941
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:02,279
Speaker 1: Oh it's the last I mean? I toldly I knew that,

942
00:53:02,440 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: I just knew that. Sure, sure, go ahead. Well, I

943
00:53:06,680 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: just wanted to say that though I listened John Schindler

944
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: quite a bit on your show, on the old Freedom

945
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:15,400
Speaker 1: Hut Show, and uh, I will have to say I

946
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: have to agree with the lost of callers that he

947
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: was pretty uh pretty partisan sounding today. Um, but I

948
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: learned to say that Trump saying that he was wire capped,

949
00:53:27,560 --> 00:53:30,640
Speaker 1: I think anybody with half a brain realizes that they

950
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 1: probably haven't done wire caps in fifteen years. I think

951
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 1: you know, what what he meant was they were listening

952
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: to him, and pretty much has proven out to be true.

953
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:45,360
Speaker 1: They were listening to him, whether they were specifically listening

954
00:53:45,440 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: to him or listening to somebody else, they got him.

955
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: They got him one day. Um, you know. And the

956
00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 1: fact that they that sb I've been investigating Trump since

957
00:53:56,600 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: July and they still haven't come up with anything, it

958
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: leads to me to believe that, you know, there was

959
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 1: some kind of winch which hunt after Trump or you know,

960
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 1: maybe his team or who knows what was going on.

961
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,359
Speaker 1: I think this thing is gonna double a lot deeper

962
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: than we think. And I think Trump has pretty much

963
00:54:15,560 --> 00:54:18,160
Speaker 1: proven himself to be right with almost everything he said

964
00:54:18,239 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: so far. Um, maybe not you know, the exact word

965
00:54:22,080 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: for word, but you gave it a little bit of time,

966
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: and what he says usually ends up being true. Well,

967
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 1: let's just review for a second. Trump Trump was repeating, uh,

968
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: the Trump was repeating allegations that some had pulled, some

969
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,760
Speaker 1: had pointed out before him that we're in the media

970
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 1: that were in the New York Times and McClatchy and

971
00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:47,400
Speaker 1: other news sources about a counterintelligence investigation. And now today

972
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: you've got the chairman of the House Permanent lect Committee

973
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:56,279
Speaker 1: on Intelligence, Hipsey out there saying that you know, this

974
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:00,239
Speaker 1: is this is real, that they're that there. I mean,

975
00:55:00,280 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. The guy is

976
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: telling us that he thinks that there was I'm trying

977
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,480
Speaker 1: to use that find the specific verbiage he used. Right,

978
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 1: we could just play the clip. Actually here, do it?

979
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,920
Speaker 1: Do me a favorite play? Uh, play fifty two one

980
00:55:13,960 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: more time. I have seen I have seen intelligence reports

981
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:22,720
Speaker 1: that clearly show that the president elect and his team.

982
00:55:23,680 --> 00:55:27,880
Speaker 1: Uh or I guess it's at least monitored and disseminated

983
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:31,320
Speaker 1: out in intelligence and what appears to be raw or

984
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 1: I shouldn't say rob but intelligence reporting channels. He's saying

985
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,799
Speaker 1: that there was intel collection on the president and his team.

986
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what I mean, that's a pretty big deal.

987
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,640
Speaker 1: This is he has access. I don't. He's elected official.

988
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 1: I am not. I have to go on what he's

989
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:49,000
Speaker 1: telling me, at least based on the facts of what

990
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: he's telling me. And he's saying that there was surveillance. Yeah, buck,

991
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:58,000
Speaker 1: I mean, it's exactly right. There is surveillance. I think

992
00:55:58,640 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: Trump has proved himself to be exactly right. And what

993
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: he said, No, he might he might not use the

994
00:56:04,120 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: right word when he said it, you know, but you know,

995
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: some's kind of an old school guy when you when

996
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:13,040
Speaker 1: you think about somebody being prevailed or being a lesson

997
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:17,960
Speaker 1: to you, you know, when you're an old school guy. Yeah.

998
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: And wire tapping, he I mean that that wire tapping

999
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:23,880
Speaker 1: as a term. I mean, it's like saying electronic surveillance

1000
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,040
Speaker 1: wire tapping. That's not there's no leap of faith required

1001
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 1: there at all. In terms of the the one word

1002
00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: meeting with the other. I mean that's a lot of people. Look,

1003
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:35,279
Speaker 1: Trump's Trump's not a career intelligence officer, and you know

1004
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: he's a nother special He's not a law enforcement guy either, obviously.

1005
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,240
Speaker 1: But Keith in Alaska not to be confused with Arkansas,

1006
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,200
Speaker 1: a very different climate, both both with lovely people of course.

1007
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: Um but anyway, Keith Man Shield High. Great to have

1008
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 1: you original squad here on the Buck Sex and Show.

1009
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:51,719
Speaker 1: Thank you for calling in. Uh phones are open. If

1010
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: you're on hole, please stay with me. Well, we will

1011
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: get to you if you can hold through. I know

1012
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: we got a lot of calls coming in. A lot

1013
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 1: of people want to weigh in on this stuff. Eight

1014
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: eight four four pardon me eight four four nine hundred

1015
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:06,480
Speaker 1: Buck eight four four nine to eight to five. We're

1016
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: gonna talk a bit about the House GOP healthcare bill,

1017
00:57:10,040 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: but if we want to talk about anything else we've

1018
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: hit in the show, will consider it all fair game,

1019
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: my friends. I got that and a lot more coming up.

1020
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: Stay with me. He's an x CIA officer who knows

1021
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:25,200
Speaker 1: how to outsmart the enemies of liberty. But I do

1022
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: have very particular set of skills. Buck Sexton with America

1023
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:34,960
Speaker 1: Now Team. Your mission, should you choose to accept it,

1024
00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: called the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine hundred buck Big

1025
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: contact unless you're under hostile surveillance nine hundred two eight

1026
00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: to five. Team, We're about to talk about healthcare at first.

1027
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 1: And in Virginia on w k C, I welcome to

1028
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:56,080
Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt in Mr Sexton, you are the most

1029
00:57:56,200 --> 00:58:02,960
Speaker 1: intelligent person on the radio. Well, thank you very kind question.

1030
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:07,880
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And because of your intelligence, would you

1031
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,320
Speaker 1: please appear on the view and straighten those women? Now? Uh,

1032
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 1: if they would have me? Sure, why not send them

1033
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 1: an email? Tell whoop tell Whoopee that I'm happy to

1034
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: show up any time. Oh my gosh. Whoopee today said

1035
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 1: that Trump has to apologize to a mama because there

1036
00:58:29,320 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 1: was no indication of any wired tapping. Yeah, well Trump's

1037
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:36,919
Speaker 1: not gonna apologize, so we don't have to worry about.

1038
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,280
Speaker 1: That's one thing we do not have to worry about.

1039
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 1: No matter what the end result of all these investigations.

1040
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: Maybe um and that's just the way it's going to be.

1041
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: But and in Virginia, thank you very much for your

1042
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: kind word. Shields High, thank you. We got Dan Holler

1043
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 1: online as our guest. He is Heritage Actions. Vice President's

1044
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: going to talk to us a bit about all things healthcare. Dan.

1045
00:58:58,360 --> 00:59:00,880
Speaker 1: Great to have you, Thanks for calling in. Hey, thank

1046
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: all right. Uh, we're hearing a lot of things, Dan,

1047
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 1: about this GOP healthcare bill. You've got Paul Ryan out

1048
00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: there saying that we are or that they are not

1049
00:59:10,320 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: losing votes, they're gaining them. There's a claim that there's

1050
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 1: twenty four votes against that we're getting a lot of

1051
00:59:15,160 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus members to support this bill. We've been adding

1052
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: Freedom Caucus votes to this bill all week. Um, here's

1053
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,479
Speaker 1: what's going on, Dana. We are in the fourth quarter

1054
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 1: of the House passing this bill, which is the fourth committee.

1055
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:29,600
Speaker 1: Now that we're getting to the fourth committee of a

1056
00:59:29,640 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: fourth committee process, that's when a lot of negotiations really

1057
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 1: intensified near the end of the process. And that's what

1058
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: this is. This is called legislating. We're talking to our

1059
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:40,600
Speaker 1: members and working towards the goal line. Here. We're adding

1060
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: votes by the day. We're not losing votes. Were adding votes, Okay, Dan,

1061
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:46,360
Speaker 1: They're saying that this is all in and we got

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Speaker 1: Trump making personal phone calls so members of the House

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Speaker 1: to get them in line here for this. Meanwhile, Heritage Action,

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Speaker 1: you've got you guys are telling lawmakers that they should

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Speaker 1: oppose this bill. Why the whole going on there? And

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Speaker 1: the main problem with this bill, and it's a bill

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Speaker 1: that supposedly repeals Obamacare, but but it's what it doesn't repeal.

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Speaker 1: It's the problem. Obamacare did a lot of things, but

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Speaker 1: one of the things, the main things that it did,

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Speaker 1: was basically turned the health insurance industry to a publicly

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Speaker 1: regulated utility. That was all sort of the mandates and

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Speaker 1: regulations on the insurance industry that was titled one of Obamacare.

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Speaker 1: This bill, the bill that Speaker Ryan was talking about

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Speaker 1: in that clip, leaves most of those regulations intact. So

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Speaker 1: if the next president comes along it happens to be

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Warren, her Secretary of Health and Human Services, can

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Speaker 1: go right back and turn the doubt way up and

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Speaker 1: started regulating and mandating all sorts of things through these

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Speaker 1: regulations that would be left in place. But you can

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Speaker 1: get a bad idea, some difficult political realities ahead if

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Speaker 1: in fact they do start from scratch or pull back

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Speaker 1: from this push to get the bill passed. You've got

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Speaker 1: White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer saying, no Plan B sixty.

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Speaker 1: Is there a Plan B? Like you, there's no plan

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Speaker 1: I mean this is there's Plan A and Plan A.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna get this done plan and Plan A. Uh

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Speaker 1: what do you what do you make of that? I

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Speaker 1: mean they're trying to really push people into this, saying

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Speaker 1: that will they'll negotiate, the Senate will change it, and

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Speaker 1: in the end it's gonna be much prettier than it

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Speaker 1: is now. I'm not sure about that. Sounds like you're

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Speaker 1: not sure about that either. No. I certainly wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: content with a promise that the United States Senator is

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Speaker 1: going to make things better. But it does sound like

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Speaker 1: that conservative members of the House are working directly with

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Speaker 1: the President to make the House bill better. And if

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Speaker 1: that is what is actually happening, that's a very good thing.

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Speaker 1: I mean, speak to Ryan has been sort of disregarding

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Speaker 1: these House conservatives and saying this is a binary totolice,

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Speaker 1: so you take it or leave it. And President Trump

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Speaker 1: all alarmists been saying, hey, I want to get the

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Speaker 1: best deal possible. I want to get a good bill.

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Speaker 1: And it sounds like the President is actually beginning to

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Speaker 1: deliver on that and working some changes to the House bill.

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Speaker 1: And you've of course got Nancy Pelosi out there saying

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Speaker 1: that well, chanting that we need to protect our care.

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Speaker 1: Let's just play this for everybody, sixty nine clip sixty

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Speaker 1: nine least project darkcare care. I mean, it doesn't last

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Speaker 1: very long, protect their care. They say they don't want

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Speaker 1: anything to change here. The best they can do is

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Speaker 1: chant like they're at some kind of student rally somewhere. Um.

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Speaker 1: But the Democrats, I assume are looking at this and

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Speaker 1: will make a lot of head a lot of political

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Speaker 1: headway against the Republicans if they stumble here. But you

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Speaker 1: feel like that even with those steaks, the bill is

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Speaker 1: bad enough that they need to what start from scratch,

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Speaker 1: start with something else entirely. Where should they go? I

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Speaker 1: mean they need to get at the insurance regulation mandates.

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Speaker 1: And that's what we've been saying all along in the province.

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Speaker 1: If they don't do that, Republicans are gonna be running

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Speaker 1: for re election. In saying, hey, we were peote Obamacare

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Speaker 1: and voters and were looking at their premiums going no,

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Speaker 1: you didn't, and Donald Trump's gonna be running for re election.

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Speaker 1: We were peered Obamacare and gave you something great and

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Speaker 1: voters and were saying, no, you did not. Healthcare still sucks.

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Speaker 1: So they got get this right. There also is gonna

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Speaker 1: be real political consequences, not the fake ones of Democrats

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Speaker 1: stretch up, but real political consequences from independent voters who

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Speaker 1: put Donald Trump in the White House. What does Heritage

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Speaker 1: Acson want? Is there a bill out there? Is there

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Speaker 1: a version of a bill that you guys are like this,

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Speaker 1: this is the way to get it done. There's been

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Speaker 1: a lot of good bills out there that they're really

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Speaker 1: gone at the regulations that we're talking about. Secretary Price

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Speaker 1: his bill when he was in Congress actually got at

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Speaker 1: the regulations in Obamacare. That's exactly what they need to do.

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Speaker 1: So there's a blueprint to do it. It just as

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Speaker 1: a matter of the political world to get it done.

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Speaker 1: Do you think it's gonna happen? Do you think this passes?

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Speaker 1: I hate to force people to prognosticate live on the air,

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Speaker 1: but I guess I'm doing that. What do you think? Then? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: look at me. If they start to make some of

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Speaker 1: the changes that we're talking about in the House, freedom

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Speaker 1: talk is it's talking about I think that they get

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Speaker 1: it past. If speaks of learn insists on jamming the

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Speaker 1: bill through that he's presenting right now, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that bill does pass. So if they do the right thing,

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Speaker 1: get better policy in there, when conservatives over on policy,

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Speaker 1: they can get this pass and get the process moving.

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Speaker 1: Dan Holler is Heritage Actions Vice President. Dan. Anywhere we

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Speaker 1: want to direct people to go for more sure, they

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Speaker 1: can go to Heritage Action dot com. All right, fantastic, Dan,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining. Thanks today, we're gonna hit a break

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Speaker 1: and we'll be right back everybody. I'm very pleased to

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Speaker 1: bring ion Hersey Ali onto the show right now. She

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Speaker 1: is a human rights activist, a best selling author. Uh

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Speaker 1: you may well know her book Infidel. She's also a

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Speaker 1: former Dutch politician. She's the founder of the A. H. A. Foundation,

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Speaker 1: and she has a new study out we're gonna talk

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Speaker 1: to her about with the Hoover Foundation. I On, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for calling in. Thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for having me back. So your report comes out today,

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Speaker 1: The challenge of Dawa political islam As ideology and movement

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Speaker 1: and how to counter it in the aftermath of yet

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Speaker 1: another jihadist attack on Western capital. Western civilization very timely,

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Speaker 1: just dicussion to have tell us a bit about this

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Speaker 1: report and how it obviously should have ramifications for how

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Speaker 1: we approach counter terrorism right after yet another attack. Well,

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Speaker 1: I am saying, we have to, of course continue doing

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Speaker 1: what we can to stop the terrorists UM and destroy ISIS.

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Speaker 1: And you know, we are engaged in all sorts of

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Speaker 1: military programs and that should continue as long as these

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Speaker 1: programs are effective. But the main theme, the main point

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Speaker 1: of this report is that we also need to start

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Speaker 1: combating the ideology that leads to the violence. UM. Dour

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Speaker 1: is the precastle to jihad. Most Americans are familiar with

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Speaker 1: the term jihad, but they're not familiar with the term

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Speaker 1: dour and dour is UM. It's all the activism, the network,

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Speaker 1: the infrastructure that is used two UM you know, abusively

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Speaker 1: change the minds of young people and indoctrinate them to

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Speaker 1: adopt this horrible ideology and then to act on it

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Speaker 1: and commit to hardia. Now, what are the methods and

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Speaker 1: what are some of the narratives that can be used

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Speaker 1: to counter DAWA Because clearly ISIS, with the digital technologies

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Speaker 1: afforded in the current era, has been able to reach

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Speaker 1: people all over the world. They have been able to

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Speaker 1: bring in tens of thousands of recruits to their banners,

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Speaker 1: specifically to fight in Syria and in Iraq, as well

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Speaker 1: as other affiliate organizations of ISIS around the world. And

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Speaker 1: we see what today. We don't know if there was

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Speaker 1: any official connection or if this was just an individual

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Speaker 1: who is inspired by the ideology. But what do some

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Speaker 1: of those counter narratives sound like, Well, it is to

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Speaker 1: target the same people the constituencies that the Islamists target. Uh.

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Speaker 1: We have networks in the West, in the United States

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Speaker 1: of America, in the UK, rest of Europe, we have

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Speaker 1: networks of mosques, Islamic centers, Muslim schools, and other institutions

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Speaker 1: that are used to bring in individuals who identify as

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Speaker 1: Muslim or to convert non Muslims into Islam and then

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Speaker 1: indoctrinate them with this ideology. We need to dismantle that

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Speaker 1: infrastructure of indoctrination. And what do you say when when

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Speaker 1: people begin to talk about this um And obviously you

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Speaker 1: have much greater authenticity on the subject than a vast

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Speaker 1: majority of those who are willing to tackle this because

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Speaker 1: you were raised a Muslim. And I would recommend everybody

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Speaker 1: who's listening to read your book. I read it cover

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Speaker 1: to cover, Infidel, but whenever one tries to and I've

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Speaker 1: dealt with this over at CNN unfortunately in the past,

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Speaker 1: to address this in a constructive fashion and to separate

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Speaker 1: out the radicals the jihadis from the broader Muslim population.

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Speaker 1: The knee jerk reaction you get, especially from American leftists

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Speaker 1: and progressives here and in Europe, is that's racist, is Islamophobia,

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Speaker 1: and they try to shut down discussion. How do you

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Speaker 1: counter that response, Well, I think some of the people

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Speaker 1: on the far left there is no point in trying

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Speaker 1: to change their minds. They have this romantic connection with

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Speaker 1: and fascination with the Islamists. Some scholars call this the

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Speaker 1: Red Green Alliance. And they hate America, they hate capitalism,

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Speaker 1: they hate freedom. So there's no it's impossible to change

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Speaker 1: their minds, and I think it's a waste of time.

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Speaker 1: But the general American public, you know, the man and

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Speaker 1: the woman on the street, people with common sense, they

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Speaker 1: understand this. They understand that this is an ideology, that

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Speaker 1: these people are driven by a conviction and it's what

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Speaker 1: they believe in. And I think that's where we people

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Speaker 1: like you and I should not stop talking to ordinary Americans,

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Speaker 1: ordinary Brits, ordinary French people about what this is. And

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Speaker 1: I think with the election of Donald Trump, he promised

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Speaker 1: that he was going to focus also on the assimilation

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Speaker 1: of non Muslims. He was going to focus on the

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Speaker 1: ideological components, and I think we need to hold his

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Speaker 1: administration accountable on those issues. How do you define the

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Speaker 1: problem ion, because clear I said earlier on the show

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Speaker 1: today that there is only one faith tradition that creates

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Speaker 1: jihadis and that spreads Islamism. But there are a great

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Speaker 1: many people within that faith tradition that do neither of

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Speaker 1: those things. And yet whenever we try to talk about this,

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Speaker 1: oftentimes Muslims, including friends of mine who are believing Muslims,

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Speaker 1: become very agitated. They think that they're being unfairly treated

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Speaker 1: or unfairly singled out here. And it seems like almost

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Speaker 1: as though we're dealing with an insurgency where they're hiding

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Speaker 1: behind a broader population of innocence. We need those that

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Speaker 1: broader population to be working with us, but it seems

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Speaker 1: difficult to talk about it without upsetting and offending the

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Speaker 1: broader Muslim community. How do you go about that, um. Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I have to tell you I recognize

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Speaker 1: that it is an insurgency um the political Islamists. They

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Speaker 1: have an agenda that's subversive. They want to change our

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Speaker 1: way of life and make us all Sharia compliant, and

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Speaker 1: they are hiding behind large suites of innocent Muslims. Happily,

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Speaker 1: there is a group that I call the Muslim reformers

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Speaker 1: or modifiers, and that are now gaining some prominence, and

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Speaker 1: we have to ally ourselves with them. And when our

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Speaker 1: government take you know, does outfitch, our government should be

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Speaker 1: working with these reformers. These are not people who deny

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Speaker 1: that there is a problem. They acknowledge that there is

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Speaker 1: a problem. They acknowledge that Islam needs to be reformed

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Speaker 1: and they're working to get it. But they've been ignored

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Speaker 1: by former administrations. And I hope that with this administration

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Speaker 1: at least they get a platform absent those reformists and

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Speaker 1: the efforts that they are undertaking to try and bring

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Speaker 1: about new interpretations of the Islamic faith. In your opinion,

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Speaker 1: I are as a former a former Muslim, and I

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Speaker 1: know that this has brought you a tremendous amount of

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Speaker 1: of grief and difficulty and personal threats over the course

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Speaker 1: of your life because once you leave. Of course, there

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Speaker 1: are many hardliners who believe that apostasy is punishable by

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Speaker 1: physical violence. So you understand this, you live this um.

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Speaker 1: But I would want to ask you the jihadi who

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Speaker 1: is flocking to the banner of isis in Rocca in Syria,

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Speaker 1: or a a Muslim living in the West any country

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Speaker 1: who is perfectly law abiding, pleasant, kind, trustworthy, a neighbor

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Speaker 1: that anybody would want to live next to. Who is

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Speaker 1: who is living a more traditional version of Islam? Well,

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Speaker 1: I would say a Muslim who's law abiding and causes

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Speaker 1: no one ham has a protected right to practice his

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Speaker 1: or her religion. It doesn't not the people that we

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Speaker 1: have a problem well, of course, of course I know.

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Speaker 1: But but I mean who who is being a traditional

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Speaker 1: The question I'm trying to get to is the person

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Speaker 1: who drinks and goes on TV and is fine with

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Speaker 1: pluralism and lives in the West and just happens to

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Speaker 1: be Muslim or raise Muslim and maybe goes to mosque

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Speaker 1: sometimes not others. Or the person who is taking up

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Speaker 1: violence in the name of jihad, who's more traditional and

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Speaker 1: if you don't have an answer. If it's an imperfect question,

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Speaker 1: I understand, but I just wanted to pose it to you. Well,

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Speaker 1: it's not so much tradition and not tradition. It's that,

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Speaker 1: you know, the one you describe as being observant, but

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Speaker 1: it is how much of Islam do you observe. If

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Speaker 1: a Muslim observes only the call to pray and fast

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Speaker 1: and lead an orthodox life, that's fine. But if a

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Speaker 1: Muslim then says, I'm also going to observe the obligation

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Speaker 1: to jihad and to you know, as a husband, beat

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Speaker 1: my wife because it's my right, and commit other crimes

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Speaker 1: in the name of my religion to promote the political

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Speaker 1: ideology that seeks to subvert our way of life. These

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Speaker 1: are the people were talking about. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: if you want to call those traditionalists or not. I

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Speaker 1: call them Medina Muslims. They call themselves Islamists, and I

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Speaker 1: think it's fair to call them Islamists because that's how

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Speaker 1: they fe fat to themselves. If you go to the

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Speaker 1: adub world, there's a whole movement that Arabs and people

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Speaker 1: in the Middle East are very familiar with, and they

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Speaker 1: call themselves Islamists. But it is us in the West

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Speaker 1: who are very inhibited when it comes to naming the enemy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it seems like a fair discussion to get into about, well,

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Speaker 1: what what is orthodoxy within a faith that seems to

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Speaker 1: have so many different branches and yet there are some

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Speaker 1: are so many different interpretations, and yet there are so

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Speaker 1: many within that not a small percentage, but a large

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Speaker 1: number of people of the overall number of Muslims who

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Speaker 1: do radicalize, either as Islamists or jehadiest right, as people

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Speaker 1: who either believe in political Islam or believe in taking

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Speaker 1: up violence in the name of that of that political Islam.

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Speaker 1: I used to find an interesting to hear Hitchens pose

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Speaker 1: the question, Christopher Hitchins, I believe you knew might be

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Speaker 1: on on that. Oh yeah, you know, Christopher, Um, you

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Speaker 1: know may rest in peace. You would ask which which

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Speaker 1: of these different groups, and you would pose it out

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Speaker 1: there is more Muslim or more Islamic. And I think

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting question in the modern context because, as

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Speaker 1: you said, there have to be reformers, and those reformers

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Speaker 1: have to be willing to address this and address the

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Speaker 1: doctrine because there are there are clearly some problems here

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Speaker 1: um in terms of places to look. And I know

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Speaker 1: you have this piece out today, this research from Hoover

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Speaker 1: The challenge of Dawa political Islamist ideology and movement and

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Speaker 1: how to counter it. We only have about a minute

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Speaker 1: left I on, but I wanted to ask, what are

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Speaker 1: the bright spots? We have a terrorist attack today. People

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Speaker 1: are obviously upset and concerned, as they should be. What

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Speaker 1: are the bright spots that will be able to tackle this?

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Speaker 1: We got about a minute for me. The brightest spots

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Speaker 1: is the emergence of the reformers or the modifying Muslims.

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Speaker 1: They're calling out the Islamists, they are working with law enforcements.

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Speaker 1: They are engaging the general Muslim public and appealing to

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Speaker 1: their conscient to reject radical Islam. That's the brightest spots

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Speaker 1: that we have today. Ian her Ci Ali is a

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Speaker 1: human rights activist, author of the book Infidel, which I

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Speaker 1: highly recommend to all of you and also out today

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Speaker 1: at Hoover dot org. The Challenge of Dao political Islamist

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Speaker 1: ideology and movement and how to counter it. I on

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Speaker 1: anything else you want to let everyone know about. I

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Speaker 1: just want to, you know, pass my condalysis and sympathy

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Speaker 1: to those who survived the attack and the family of

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Speaker 1: those people who who died in the attack in London.

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Speaker 1: That was horrible. It could have been prevented, and who

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Speaker 1: we really should prevent more from happening. All Right, I

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for making the time tonight. We

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Speaker 1: appreciate it. You're welcome. Thank you. Team. We're gonna hit

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Speaker 1: our three in a few minutes. Stay with me through

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Speaker 1: the break. We'll be right back. Bug Sexton with American

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Speaker 1: Now we are the Freedom Hunt is fired up as

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Speaker 1: team buck as symbols, shoulder as shoulder, shields high. Call

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Speaker 1: in eight four four bucks, that's eight four four two,

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Speaker 1: eight to five. Team. Here's a piece that I think

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Speaker 1: will get your attention how China is preparing for cyber war.

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Speaker 1: The author is Adam Siegel. He's the director of the

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Speaker 1: Digital and Cyberspace Policy Program at the Council on Foreign Relations,

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Speaker 1: and he joins us now, Adam, thank you very much

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Speaker 1: for calling in. Uh So the pieces is timely and

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Speaker 1: uh full of information that I wish more Americans knew.

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Speaker 1: I wish was more widely known, so that when we

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Speaker 1: have policy discussions about this, and when people are voting

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Speaker 1: for those who are going to be making an enacting policy.

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Speaker 1: They understand the full scope and scale of the threat

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Speaker 1: of Chinese hacking, Chinese cyber espionage, Chinese cyber war If

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Speaker 1: you will please just walk us through how this is

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Speaker 1: broken down. In your piece, you talk about their government

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Speaker 1: cyber operations, private sector within China. What what is the

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Speaker 1: what is the order of battle if you will, of

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Speaker 1: Chinese cyber warfare operations? Well if other space is important

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Speaker 1: to the Chinese for for three purposes, for economic growth,

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Speaker 1: for military conflict, and for political influence uh and so

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Speaker 1: they hack UH in pursuit of those three goals. They

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Speaker 1: steal intellectual property UH and commercial secrets to help Chinese companies.

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Speaker 1: They are thinking about if there is a military conflict

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Speaker 1: in the South China Seas or over the Taiwan Straits,

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Speaker 1: how they would use a military attack to diminish US

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Speaker 1: military strength UH. And they want to be able to

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Speaker 1: control the narrative about China's rise, so they harass human

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Speaker 1: rights activists, Tibetan activists UH and other people who they

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Speaker 1: think can tell a different story than China wants to know.

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Speaker 1: You run in your piece that the Commission on the

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Speaker 1: Theft of American Intellectual Property, which was chaired by former

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Speaker 1: d and I Admiral Dennis Blair, estimated the theft of

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Speaker 1: intellectual property totaled three hundred billion dollars annually, with that

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Speaker 1: being from China. The numbers here, when people start to

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Speaker 1: look at them, are astonishing, and they are just estimates.

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Speaker 1: They are you know, former Director of the n S

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Speaker 1: A General Keith Alexander used to call it the largest

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Speaker 1: transfer of wealth and human history. Um, we know that

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Speaker 1: the Chinese are not happy being the factory to the

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Speaker 1: world right. They want to move up the value chain.

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Speaker 1: They want to have their own apples. They don't want

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Speaker 1: to be the ones who are always putting Apple phones together.

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Speaker 1: And they're studying a lot of money on science and

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Speaker 1: technology and increasing the member of the university students. But

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Speaker 1: that innovation isn't coming fast enough in a lot faster

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Speaker 1: ways to steal us from our US company. What are

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Speaker 1: some of the alleged or reported biggest intrusions in the

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Speaker 1: military space that we've seen so far. I know you

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Speaker 1: cite some of them in is Peace, but I think

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Speaker 1: when people hear what the Chinese have again allegedly been

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Speaker 1: poking around and trying to steal uh. They It automatically

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Speaker 1: forces one to think, Okay, this is a very serious problem.

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Speaker 1: So what are some of the programs that are UM

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Speaker 1: allegedly under the or allegedly in the past, have been

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Speaker 1: the target of Chinese cyber espionage. Well, it's actually it's

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Speaker 1: probably easier to think of any UH military project that

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Speaker 1: happens been hacked. I mean pretty much any important US

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Speaker 1: strategic platform has been hacked. H F twenty two and

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Speaker 1: F thirty five, the next generation of stealth aircraft, the

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Speaker 1: next generation IF destroyer UM missile defense across the board,

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Speaker 1: probably one of the most widespread hacks. It's going to

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Speaker 1: have the largest impacts on the O p M, on

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Speaker 1: the Office of Personal Management, which has you know, twenty

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Speaker 1: two million records, and it includes all the personal information

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Speaker 1: of federal UH employees. So anybody who works for the

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Speaker 1: US government, in the military or anywhere else basically told

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Speaker 1: the US government all their secrets. They have the drinking

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Speaker 1: problem that they had an affair UM. And so this

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Speaker 1: allows the Chinese just a massive intelligence and counterintelligence capability

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Speaker 1: from stealing all this data. So, so I had a

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Speaker 1: security clearance, is is it possible that the Chinese might

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Speaker 1: know some stuff about me. Oh, it's it's probably definite.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if they had that file. Oh man, good

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Speaker 1: stuff whatever, China, I got nothing to hide, bring it China.

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Speaker 1: Uh So let's get back sorry about that. Let's get

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Speaker 1: back into uh, into the realities here and the very

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Speaker 1: scary realities what the Chinese are trying to do. So

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Speaker 1: you said, this is and this has been noted in

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Speaker 1: the past, the greatest transfer of wealth and history UM.

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Speaker 1: And it's largely done in secret and silently that the

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Speaker 1: Chinese UM are thought of these days much more than

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Speaker 1: that aconomic trading partner with this and whenever there's harsh

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Speaker 1: rhetoric from politicians in this country generally or specifically in

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01:21:07,840 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 1: this case, including Donald Trump, it has to do with

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Speaker 1: trade and currency manipulation. But what what are the things

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01:21:13,960 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: that we can really do now that we know that

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Speaker 1: China is engaged in this continuous campaign of massive intellectual

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Speaker 1: theft and industrial, commercial, and military espionage without having to

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Speaker 1: even put a single person on us soil? Right, this

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Speaker 1: can all be done electronically. What are the things that

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Speaker 1: we can What are the things that we can do

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01:21:33,040 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 1: or is this just a continuous vulnerability and we're trying

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Speaker 1: to you know, plug up the different leaks in the dam. Well, yes,

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Speaker 1: that's definitely. Getting better at defenses is probably the most

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01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 1: important thing. But we do we we do have a

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Speaker 1: positive trend, and that is is that in the last

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Speaker 1: year and a half of the Obama administration, the Right

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01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:58,320
Speaker 1: House slowly ratcheted up pressure and by the end was

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Speaker 1: threatening to say shin high level Chinese officials and punished

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Speaker 1: probably people that were tied to state owned enterprises. This

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Speaker 1: all happened right before our President g Duping was expectors

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Speaker 1: come to the White House and half his first state summit,

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Speaker 1: and then um, right before she was to arrive, the

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Speaker 1: Chinese scent Uh, a very high level of communist official.

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Speaker 1: We negotiated a deal that said, okay, neither side will

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Speaker 1: knowingly support or tolerate the theft of commercial secrets to

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Speaker 1: help our companies. That was about a year ago to

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Speaker 1: September two thousand, almost two years ago no Stember two fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and so far that agreement seems to have hold held. Um,

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Speaker 1: we've seen a decline in the theft of intenational property.

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Speaker 1: It's not going to stop in from stealing our military secrets,

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Speaker 1: but so far, at least the threat of sanctions has

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Speaker 1: kept them, uh, for the most part, out of US companies. Now,

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Speaker 1: we've been talking mostly about cyber espionage with a transfer

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Speaker 1: of information that occurs the electronic means and these intrusions.

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Speaker 1: But when one speaks about cyber warfare, that then takes

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Speaker 1: us into a different place. And how do you think

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Speaker 1: that is going to play out in in the years

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Speaker 1: to come? And what are the things that we should

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Speaker 1: be thinking about as as vulnerabilities, not just here in

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Speaker 1: the US, but for any of our allies. I assume

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Speaker 1: there must be programs that are being researched by our

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Speaker 1: enemies that will allow them to do serious damage to

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Speaker 1: our electronic and digital infrastructure. Well, you look at the

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Speaker 1: Chinese writings and they are very clear that in any

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Speaker 1: conflict um, in the first stages, they're gonna want to

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Speaker 1: see what they call information dominance. Right, So they want

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Speaker 1: to blind US satellites, they want to take US computer

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Speaker 1: networks down. Uh, And so they think that's very important

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Speaker 1: to do in the first stages of the conflict. Uh.

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Speaker 1: The U s thinks the same thing, right we we

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Speaker 1: for a while we were talking about what's called the

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Speaker 1: air c battle concept, but basically we also think that

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Speaker 1: you know, if you're going to fight, you want to

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Speaker 1: die in the other very quickly. This this creates a

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Speaker 1: real situation of strategic instability at both sides. Think that

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Speaker 1: you have to move very very quickly or you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get blinded. Then you have a tendency to react perhaps

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01:24:13,240 --> 01:24:16,400
Speaker 1: more quickly than you need want. Um. And so also

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01:24:16,439 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 1: if you see the attacker in your network, you're going

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01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: to think, oh, he's there to blind me, and so

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01:24:21,600 --> 01:24:24,719
Speaker 1: you may react very very quickly. So you can imagine

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01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,479
Speaker 1: a lot of scenarios where you know, the U. S

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Speaker 1: and China have a standoff because of some incident in

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Speaker 1: the South China Sea and the Chinese the U S

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01:24:34,400 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 1: ces Chinese hackers in its network and we think, we're

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01:24:37,640 --> 01:24:39,320
Speaker 1: not sure why we're there, and we and we move

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01:24:39,439 --> 01:24:41,800
Speaker 1: much more quickly than we want. So it's a pretty

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01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:45,760
Speaker 1: frightening situation where both sides could escalating ways that we

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01:24:46,240 --> 01:24:49,120
Speaker 1: might not want. I'm saying it's interesting in this piece

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01:24:49,200 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: that you wrote, and I would recommend it to everybody here. Um,

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01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,160
Speaker 1: it's how China is preparing for cyber war. It's on

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01:24:56,280 --> 01:24:59,760
Speaker 1: the c S Monitor Christian Science Monitor cs monitor dot

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01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: com um uh. You also write the following China based

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01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:07,120
Speaker 1: actors allegedly hacked the computers of the two thousand and

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Speaker 1: eight Barack Obama and John McCain presidential campaigns, State Department

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Speaker 1: in White White House, and then you go into some

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01:25:12,760 --> 01:25:15,640
Speaker 1: others as well that have allegedly been hacked, other important

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01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 1: allies of ours that have had their government computer databases

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01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,240
Speaker 1: hacked into. I think it's interesting in the current environment

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Speaker 1: where there's so much focus on Russian cyber activity, uh,

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01:25:26,880 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: China cyber activity has to be right up there in

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01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:33,520
Speaker 1: terms of the intrusive nature, the damage done, the capabilities.

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01:25:34,120 --> 01:25:36,200
Speaker 1: I would assume that we should also be having a

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01:25:36,240 --> 01:25:40,080
Speaker 1: conversation about that, including at the level of political machin nations.

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Speaker 1: Given what's happened with Russia, what do you think, Well,

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01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,120
Speaker 1: you know coit. Honestly, a year ago we worked almost

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01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:48,920
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago, we were talking about Russia.

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01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: We were talking about China all the time. Um. So

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01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:54,760
Speaker 1: there's always about Chinese deft um. So it is a

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01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:58,080
Speaker 1: change now that we've been talking about Russia hackers. Russian

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01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:01,360
Speaker 1: hackers traditionally we're much more quite it than than than

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01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:05,479
Speaker 1: than Chinese hackers. Chinese hackers had a reputation. Um. I

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01:26:05,600 --> 01:26:08,920
Speaker 1: think it was the FBI director Comy once basically called

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01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,679
Speaker 1: them kind of you know, the drunk thief who knocks

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01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:13,400
Speaker 1: over the vase on the way out of the house

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01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 1: carrying the TV. They didn't really seem to care that

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01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:18,880
Speaker 1: they were being so loud because they had so many

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01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,360
Speaker 1: and they were so prolific. The Lessons, on the other hand,

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01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,720
Speaker 1: seemed to be much quieter and much more stealth. And

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01:26:23,880 --> 01:26:25,800
Speaker 1: this is a big dramatic change, and I think, you know,

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01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:27,880
Speaker 1: the Chinese government is certainly very happy that we're paying

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01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot more attention to the Russian these days than

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01:26:29,760 --> 01:26:33,040
Speaker 1: we are to them. Are there any other actors, either

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01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:36,479
Speaker 1: foreign governance or just groups that are out there that

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01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:38,600
Speaker 1: one should be keeping an eye on in terms of

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01:26:38,680 --> 01:26:43,000
Speaker 1: being a strategic level cyber espionage and even cyber warfare threat.

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01:26:44,520 --> 01:26:46,880
Speaker 1: Uh so, I mean at the at the nation state level.

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01:26:47,080 --> 01:26:51,840
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen Iranian attacks on US banks. Um.

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01:26:52,200 --> 01:26:56,080
Speaker 1: Iranians seemed to be in a in a damn in Ryane,

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01:26:56,120 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 1: New York, UM and the North Koreans of course, you

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01:26:59,479 --> 01:27:02,800
Speaker 1: know if you attack on sony Um and you know

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01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:07,800
Speaker 1: there's emerging evidence that they were involved UM in the

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01:27:08,160 --> 01:27:12,080
Speaker 1: swift attacks on the banks UH in insance for money

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01:27:12,680 --> 01:27:15,880
Speaker 1: UM outside of the US FED. So those are two

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01:27:15,960 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 1: probably the most capable of nation state actors. For the

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01:27:19,360 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 1: most part, non state actors, so anonymous and others then

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01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:29,720
Speaker 1: mostly about annoyance, disrupting, disrupting website UM, knocking through down

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01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,080
Speaker 1: but not having of the astrcutic effect. Adam Siegel's director

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01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 1: of the Digital and Cyberspace Policy Program at the Council

1556
01:27:36,200 --> 01:27:38,960
Speaker 1: on Foreign Relations. Check out his latest how China is

1557
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: Preparing for cyber War on cs monitor dot com. Adam,

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01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us. Appreciate your expertise.

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01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:48,639
Speaker 1: My punch here, thank phoons are open. Team eight four

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01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:53,720
Speaker 1: four nine hundred two eight to five covered a lot

1561
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 1: of ground today. Buck Sexton shows like around the world

1562
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 1: and a couple of hours. That's how we roll. We'll

1563
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:06,240
Speaker 1: be right back all they're gonna pass this GOP healthcare bill.

1564
01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:10,240
Speaker 1: I'm starting to think this is gonna run into trouble.

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01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:14,439
Speaker 1: I've even read some very interesting analysis today of how

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01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:20,120
Speaker 1: this how this is all meant to uh well more

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01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 1: or less founder on the rocks of parliamentary procedure. Right

1568
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: that that's Um, you know that that's what they're thinking.

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01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:39,240
Speaker 1: That's what I think is possible here. Um that they

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01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 1: push this through in the Senate, and then they the senateces, Oh,

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01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:47,280
Speaker 1: but we can't because of reconciliation. I'm just noticing that

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01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 1: there are such a lack after eight years of Obama's

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01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:56,400
Speaker 1: progressive agenda, which even when he lost control of first

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01:28:56,439 --> 01:28:59,559
Speaker 1: the Senate and then the House, was still the dominant

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01:28:59,600 --> 01:29:03,040
Speaker 1: political theme in this country. After eight years of that,

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01:29:03,600 --> 01:29:07,559
Speaker 1: we've had Republicans who have told us that they were

1577
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 1: the equivalent of you know that you know the kid.

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,120
Speaker 1: I mean I I coached soccer at one point, which

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01:29:13,160 --> 01:29:14,800
Speaker 1: I know soccer. Someth of you think that's it's like

1580
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:16,880
Speaker 1: I must have done this in a foreign country whatever.

1581
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:19,680
Speaker 1: Maybe I was eating croissants and drinking Latte's while I

1582
01:29:19,720 --> 01:29:22,800
Speaker 1: coach soccer. I'm not no shame in that game. But

1583
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:26,320
Speaker 1: having coached, you know, you always loved the kid that

1584
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:29,760
Speaker 1: was on the sidelines that just even when he wasn't

1585
01:29:29,760 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 1: in the game, you could tell you I could always

1586
01:29:31,439 --> 01:29:36,840
Speaker 1: look at my players and I knew who wanted, who

1587
01:29:37,080 --> 01:29:38,960
Speaker 1: really wanted to get in the game, and who was

1588
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:41,680
Speaker 1: like I'm kind of happy I'm happy sitting this one out.

1589
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:43,400
Speaker 1: This is a tough game, this is this is rough.

1590
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:45,639
Speaker 1: You know, I could tell who who wants to really

1591
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:47,600
Speaker 1: get in the game. And any of you who have

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01:29:47,760 --> 01:29:50,439
Speaker 1: coached rope, spent enough time watching your kids play sports,

1593
01:29:50,520 --> 01:29:53,439
Speaker 1: or have played yourself, know exactly what I'm talking about.

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01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 1: You know. There there's the kid who if you call

1595
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:57,920
Speaker 1: on him, it's like he's not even gonna have his

1596
01:29:58,040 --> 01:29:59,920
Speaker 1: uniform or his helmet or anything ready. And then the

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01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:02,280
Speaker 1: a kid who's like basically already in the game even

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01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:04,600
Speaker 1: though he's supposed to be sitting on the bench. And

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01:30:04,720 --> 01:30:08,600
Speaker 1: Republicans have been pretending to be the latter right, Republicans

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01:30:08,680 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 1: in Congress have been acting like you're the kid on

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01:30:11,560 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: the sideline that is just you know, you're gonna have

1602
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:16,800
Speaker 1: to tell him to sit down or else they're gonna

1603
01:30:16,840 --> 01:30:18,760
Speaker 1: call a penalty because he's on the field or on

1604
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 1: the ice or whatever, and it's not his turn. And

1605
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: now here we are and we're we get we the

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01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,200
Speaker 1: American people are the coach, and we're saying, all right,

1607
01:30:27,880 --> 01:30:31,280
Speaker 1: get your stuff, get out there. And the Republican congressman,

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01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 1: I think some of them, at least at at a minimum.

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01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: Some of them, maybe a lot of them, are like,

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01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:38,519
Speaker 1: I don't know. I think the team is doing pretty well,

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01:30:38,600 --> 01:30:40,479
Speaker 1: and I remember, we should just like let let the

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01:30:40,600 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: let this like play. I know he's doing a great

1613
01:30:42,200 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: job out there. You know, the defense is looking a

1614
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 1: little a little rough. They're playing rough. I don't want

1615
01:30:46,280 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: to and I'm looking at them like, you gotta be

1616
01:30:48,840 --> 01:30:52,519
Speaker 1: kidding you, right I, Paul Ryan, say what you will

1617
01:30:52,600 --> 01:30:54,680
Speaker 1: about Well, I've said a lot of up Aul Ryan.

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01:30:55,360 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: I don't know the guy, and I've said before, and

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01:30:57,600 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: I just like to point this out. Whatever I can

1620
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: say something nice about somebody I do people I do

1621
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 1: know who have interacted with him on a personal level

1622
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:06,040
Speaker 1: say there's a really nice guy. So take that for

1623
01:31:06,160 --> 01:31:09,280
Speaker 1: what it's worth. Certainly not true of all politicians. Definitely

1624
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,280
Speaker 1: not true of all media personalities and a radio hosts.

1625
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:16,920
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. Uh. But they're they've been

1626
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,080
Speaker 1: promising us that they were just ready to go, and

1627
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:21,160
Speaker 1: here we are, Paul Ryan and some of the others.

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01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,479
Speaker 1: They have their opportunity. We're telling we're trying to put

1629
01:31:24,520 --> 01:31:27,160
Speaker 1: them in the game, and they either don't want to

1630
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: get in or they're hiding off on the hiding off

1631
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:34,200
Speaker 1: by the by the sidelines, not you know, hoping not

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01:31:34,280 --> 01:31:36,720
Speaker 1: to be recognized or not to get involved. And and

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01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:40,360
Speaker 1: that's really disconcerting at this point, Um, I can tell

1634
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:44,280
Speaker 1: they're not They don't want this fight, they don't want responsibility.

1635
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:46,560
Speaker 1: I do think a lot of it boils down to

1636
01:31:48,160 --> 01:31:50,679
Speaker 1: the unwillingness to come clean with the American people about

1637
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:53,840
Speaker 1: how you can have a free market health care system,

1638
01:31:53,960 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: or you can have a government that is there to

1639
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:00,920
Speaker 1: take care of all of us. You know, a government

1640
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:02,600
Speaker 1: that treats us all like we're kids. It's you know,

1641
01:32:02,680 --> 01:32:05,360
Speaker 1: in local parentis a government that's there in place of

1642
01:32:05,439 --> 01:32:07,920
Speaker 1: parents to make sure that there's someone to, you know,

1643
01:32:09,000 --> 01:32:11,040
Speaker 1: to kiss your knee when it's bruised and tell you

1644
01:32:11,080 --> 01:32:13,680
Speaker 1: everything's okay. You know, all that magic stuff moms do

1645
01:32:13,800 --> 01:32:15,400
Speaker 1: when you're a kid and you know, you fall off

1646
01:32:15,439 --> 01:32:18,560
Speaker 1: your bicycle and everything. We kind of want government to

1647
01:32:18,640 --> 01:32:20,920
Speaker 1: do that whenever we fall off our bicycle. We want

1648
01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 1: the government to be there to make things better. That

1649
01:32:22,920 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: comes with a cost. The government is not your mom.

1650
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:29,080
Speaker 1: That should be a bumper sticker. The government is not

1651
01:32:29,240 --> 01:32:32,680
Speaker 1: your mom. That is true. Uh, and Mom's knowing I'm

1652
01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 1: talking about with how they can they You know, they

1653
01:32:34,720 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 1: make the kids crying, Oh my gosh, what happened to you?

1654
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:38,559
Speaker 1: Fell off my bike? Mom comes over. You know you're

1655
01:32:38,600 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: gonna be okay. That's Mom's not the government. Government can't

1656
01:32:41,360 --> 01:32:45,599
Speaker 1: do that for you. And Republicans are worried about speaking

1657
01:32:45,640 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 1: the truth on this one. I think you got Mike

1658
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Lee though, um he's he's saying that they just don't

1659
01:32:51,960 --> 01:32:54,360
Speaker 1: have the votes. Do you think people should get in

1660
01:32:54,479 --> 01:32:57,840
Speaker 1: line on this bill or not? No? Absolutely not. I

1661
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,599
Speaker 1: don't think this bill was what we promise. We promised,

1662
01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,080
Speaker 1: what we've been promising for seven years is that if

1663
01:33:04,240 --> 01:33:07,920
Speaker 1: Republicans were given the chance to govern, we would repeal

1664
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:11,679
Speaker 1: Obamacare root and branch. That's not what this bill does.

1665
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:16,320
Speaker 1: President Trump's message has been hijacked. His agenda of repealing

1666
01:33:16,360 --> 01:33:19,840
Speaker 1: Obamacare has been hijacked by people who don't share his values,

1667
01:33:19,920 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 1: by people who don't share his desire to repeal Obamacare.

1668
01:33:23,479 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 1: Is it going to pass in his current version on Thursday?

1669
01:33:25,360 --> 01:33:29,200
Speaker 1: What's your sense on the hell? No? No, I am strongly,

1670
01:33:29,439 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 1: strongly persuaded that it's not going to pass. I think

1671
01:33:32,120 --> 01:33:34,400
Speaker 1: they should cancel the vote because they don't have the votes.

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01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:37,080
Speaker 1: I've been trying to tell them that for many days,

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01:33:37,320 --> 01:33:39,479
Speaker 1: and so far that hasn't been on here, that hasn't

1674
01:33:39,520 --> 01:33:44,400
Speaker 1: been heated. Uh. Mike Lee. You know, Mike Lee, when

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01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 1: I was just doing a Saturday radio show, was kind

1676
01:33:48,640 --> 01:33:51,240
Speaker 1: enough to join me once in in person, and so

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01:33:51,400 --> 01:33:54,080
Speaker 1: I always I always appreciate that. A Senatorly, you know,

1678
01:33:54,120 --> 01:33:56,200
Speaker 1: there are plenty of people when you get naturally syndicated

1679
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:57,560
Speaker 1: or all of a sudden, you have an audience that

1680
01:33:57,560 --> 01:33:59,559
Speaker 1: they all want to reach. And I'll join you. Senator

1681
01:33:59,680 --> 01:34:04,040
Speaker 1: Lead recognize me as a uh, like minded conservative and

1682
01:34:04,120 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: was willing to do my show before anybody knew that

1683
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:07,760
Speaker 1: doing my show with something they should do. So I like,

1684
01:34:07,880 --> 01:34:10,840
Speaker 1: I like Senator Lee, uh, and I want to know

1685
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:14,559
Speaker 1: what the response is to what he just said. There

1686
01:34:15,760 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: am I am I missing something I have brought on

1687
01:34:18,880 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 1: And you know this because I try to give you. Look.

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01:34:21,680 --> 01:34:23,840
Speaker 1: I bring conservatives on, and there are smart liberals out

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01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:25,280
Speaker 1: there who want to come on to different issues and

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01:34:25,560 --> 01:34:27,160
Speaker 1: down the line team that may have I may have

1691
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,840
Speaker 1: people on who are not just reformed liberals who know

1692
01:34:29,920 --> 01:34:33,560
Speaker 1: that liberalism is the destruction of Western civilization. But I

1693
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:36,320
Speaker 1: want to bring on others as well to talk about

1694
01:34:36,320 --> 01:34:39,200
Speaker 1: certain issues, and I bring on conservatives who are I've

1695
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,800
Speaker 1: had never trumpers on the show. Obviously, Um, it's not

1696
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:45,040
Speaker 1: my feeling and I disagree with them, but I want

1697
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:47,360
Speaker 1: to hear their different perspectives on issues, especially when they

1698
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 1: have expertise. But I've had the best people that I

1699
01:34:51,360 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 1: know of, and I definitely know who the best people

1700
01:34:54,280 --> 01:34:56,439
Speaker 1: are on national security in terms of knowledge, and I

1701
01:34:57,200 --> 01:34:58,639
Speaker 1: I like to think that I know the best people

1702
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:00,439
Speaker 1: are with health care because I've spent a lot of

1703
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 1: time reading about learning about healthcare, especially in recent years.

1704
01:35:04,080 --> 01:35:06,280
Speaker 1: And none of them are in favor of this bill.

1705
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:08,000
Speaker 1: I don't know what else to say. Not none of

1706
01:35:08,040 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 1: them are on board for this. I'm waiting to be

1707
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:15,240
Speaker 1: persuaded by somebody and saying get in line, Uh, don't

1708
01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 1: let the Democrats win. Yeah, that works during the general

1709
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: election when a Republicans up because a Democrat does not

1710
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:26,760
Speaker 1: work with me. Now, he's an x CIA officer who

1711
01:35:26,920 --> 01:35:30,120
Speaker 1: knows how to outsmart the enemies of liberty. But I

1712
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:35,560
Speaker 1: do have very particular set of skills. Buck Sexton with

1713
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:40,000
Speaker 1: America Now Team, your mission, should you choose to accept it,

1714
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:45,000
Speaker 1: called the Freedom Hunt Operations Center, nine hundred buck make

1715
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 1: contact unless you're under hostile surveillance D to eight to

1716
01:35:51,320 --> 01:35:56,080
Speaker 1: five Team, I wanted to give you a little bit

1717
01:35:56,120 --> 01:35:57,519
Speaker 1: of the backstory for those of you who may not

1718
01:35:57,680 --> 01:36:02,280
Speaker 1: be familiar with it, of one of our earlier guests,

1719
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:05,320
Speaker 1: I on Hersy Ali. We're very pleased she joined us.

1720
01:36:05,320 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 1: If you missed the interview, or if you want to

1721
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:08,719
Speaker 1: hear it again, if you want to share it with anybody,

1722
01:36:09,479 --> 01:36:12,599
Speaker 1: because I think it would be worth quite honestly, anybody

1723
01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:17,559
Speaker 1: listening to her perspective is incredibly valuable and her story

1724
01:36:17,760 --> 01:36:22,200
Speaker 1: is very compelling and honestly, as you read it, it's

1725
01:36:22,439 --> 01:36:29,920
Speaker 1: very emotional and intense. Uh. She her autobiography not technically

1726
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:32,320
Speaker 1: called that I suppose, but it is an autobiographical work.

1727
01:36:32,439 --> 01:36:36,439
Speaker 1: Infidel is something that you should all if you have

1728
01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 1: the time and the inclination, pick up a copy and

1729
01:36:39,479 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 1: read it. There are very few authors that I have

1730
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:46,080
Speaker 1: ever either personally asked for them to sign my book

1731
01:36:46,360 --> 01:36:49,559
Speaker 1: or have asked a friend to get a signed copy

1732
01:36:50,360 --> 01:36:52,920
Speaker 1: of a book, and Miss Ali. I wouldn't say this

1733
01:36:53,040 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 1: to her on air, just because you know, I don't

1734
01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:57,400
Speaker 1: want embarrass myself, but she's one of them. And when

1735
01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:58,760
Speaker 1: I mean very few. I mean I can count them

1736
01:36:58,800 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 1: on one hand. Infidel is an excellent is an excellent book.

1737
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: But if you missed the interview, please uh download the

1738
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 1: podcast of today's show. You can go to Buck Sexton

1739
01:37:09,560 --> 01:37:12,920
Speaker 1: with American Out on iTunes. You can click subscribe. Please

1740
01:37:12,960 --> 01:37:15,599
Speaker 1: do even if you listen daily live, which I certainly

1741
01:37:15,640 --> 01:37:18,679
Speaker 1: hope you do as you hear this, um, you're downloading

1742
01:37:18,720 --> 01:37:21,439
Speaker 1: the podcast is a great way to one and just

1743
01:37:21,520 --> 01:37:24,639
Speaker 1: give us a sense of how quickly uh team Buck,

1744
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: as I affectionately refer to all of you listening is growing.

1745
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,000
Speaker 1: And that's very important for us. It's important for our

1746
01:37:30,040 --> 01:37:33,600
Speaker 1: affiliates as well. Uh. And also it's a way for

1747
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,960
Speaker 1: you to share the show. And I think we have

1748
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:39,320
Speaker 1: some very important conversations here. And what I also affectionately

1749
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:42,560
Speaker 1: termed the Freedom Hut, which oh, let me before I

1750
01:37:42,600 --> 01:37:46,760
Speaker 1: gonna miss uh HERSI Ali, the Freedom Hut is just

1751
01:37:46,840 --> 01:37:49,760
Speaker 1: a it's a joke from my old uh C I

1752
01:37:49,880 --> 01:37:53,840
Speaker 1: A days when they asked we we decided we were

1753
01:37:53,840 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: going to come up with a name. This is just

1754
01:37:55,280 --> 01:37:58,200
Speaker 1: at Langley. This is nothing you know, sensitive or anything

1755
01:37:58,280 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: like that, but we were going to come up with

1756
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:02,360
Speaker 1: this name. For our office, the Iraq Office. I mean

1757
01:38:02,439 --> 01:38:06,800
Speaker 1: literally the physical office because it was it was there

1758
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:09,799
Speaker 1: were you know, it was there were problems with the ceiling,

1759
01:38:10,040 --> 01:38:11,680
Speaker 1: and you know, there were little bugs and it was

1760
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:14,840
Speaker 1: quite an interesting place. I don't mean bugs like you know,

1761
01:38:15,560 --> 01:38:17,679
Speaker 1: we bugged the wall. I mean like actual little creepy

1762
01:38:17,720 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 1: crawley so you know, stuff like that. Good times working

1763
01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,280
Speaker 1: for the federal government. Um. You know, I'm not talking

1764
01:38:23,280 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: about leaks like people speaking to the press either. I

1765
01:38:25,200 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 1: mean like, oh, it's dripping on my face while I'm

1766
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:29,360
Speaker 1: on my computer. We had some interesting stuff going on

1767
01:38:29,400 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: in that office and we were gonna come up with

1768
01:38:32,120 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 1: as a morale thing. They said, well, we should come

1769
01:38:34,200 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 1: up with a name for the office. And I mean it.

1770
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: You know, it wasn't CP three. Oh isn't or isn't

1771
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 1: that the name of the guy from Star Wars? Right,

1772
01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:44,639
Speaker 1: I'm saying what, yeah, yeah, I mean that obviously wasn't

1773
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:46,360
Speaker 1: the name. I'm just saying, you know, it ended up

1774
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:50,320
Speaker 1: being something really bureaucratic and boring. But my suggestion, which

1775
01:38:50,360 --> 01:38:52,280
Speaker 1: all of my colleagues thought would be a lot of fun,

1776
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:53,519
Speaker 1: was I was like, we should just call this the

1777
01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:56,800
Speaker 1: Freedom Hut. It was a joke. Uh and and we

1778
01:38:56,880 --> 01:38:58,840
Speaker 1: used to and with some of them would kind of

1779
01:38:59,320 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 1: it's stuck a little bit, you. I mean, it was

1780
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:03,080
Speaker 1: never officially called that. That's not an official term at all,

1781
01:39:03,560 --> 01:39:04,920
Speaker 1: but as a joke, I like, we should call us

1782
01:39:04,920 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 1: the Freedom Hunt because we're spreading freedom. Uh. And that

1783
01:39:07,640 --> 01:39:09,560
Speaker 1: was not the name, but that's and then when I

1784
01:39:09,600 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 1: started the radio show, we uh, I just decided that

1785
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:15,320
Speaker 1: was perfect. Right. I couldn't have I couldn't actually have

1786
01:39:15,400 --> 01:39:17,680
Speaker 1: a Freedom Hunt at the CIA, but I can't have

1787
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:21,000
Speaker 1: a Freedom Hunt on radio and with Team Box. So

1788
01:39:21,160 --> 01:39:24,000
Speaker 1: that's that's where the name comes from. It was just

1789
01:39:24,520 --> 01:39:28,360
Speaker 1: it was an an inside joke amongst some close friends

1790
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:31,799
Speaker 1: and fellow patriots that I worked with at the agency.

1791
01:39:32,680 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 1: So uh, which I'm sure you know there's a very

1792
01:39:35,920 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 1: small group of people that even even know that story.

1793
01:39:38,240 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 1: But I thought I would I would share it with you.

1794
01:39:40,240 --> 01:39:41,800
Speaker 1: One day. I'll have to tell you the story of

1795
01:39:41,920 --> 01:39:45,160
Speaker 1: the of the of the Freedometer or the Freedom Meeter,

1796
01:39:45,720 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 1: whole separate thing. We might have to bring that back

1797
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:50,400
Speaker 1: for this show. But back to miss Ion Hersey Ali

1798
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:57,120
Speaker 1: and her story. Um, she was She's a Somali born

1799
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: later on much a Dutch politician. And I can't get

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01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 1: into the entirety of her story just because it would

1801
01:40:07,200 --> 01:40:10,720
Speaker 1: take quite a long time to do it justice. But

1802
01:40:10,840 --> 01:40:12,559
Speaker 1: she talks about what it's like to grow up female

1803
01:40:12,680 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 1: and Muslim in Somalia. Somalia, which is one of the

1804
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:25,280
Speaker 1: most uh, poor and bleak places on planet Earth, based

1805
01:40:25,360 --> 01:40:27,240
Speaker 1: on well a lot of what I've read about it

1806
01:40:27,320 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 1: as well as I have a friend who actually worked

1807
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,360
Speaker 1: for the United Nations told me once that he named

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01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:34,200
Speaker 1: all the worst countries that he had ever been to

1809
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:36,240
Speaker 1: in the world, and it was what I mean worst,

1810
01:40:36,280 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 1: I mean the poorest, the racked by violence and disease,

1811
01:40:40,720 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: and and he said that of the places that he

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01:40:43,320 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: had been, Somalia was just in a class by itself.

1813
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:50,000
Speaker 1: There was there was nothing that compared to and he

1814
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:51,960
Speaker 1: was he was like, I've been to you know, think

1815
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:53,679
Speaker 1: of a country that You're like, that's not a place

1816
01:40:53,720 --> 01:40:55,600
Speaker 1: I want to visit. And he said, Somalia was just

1817
01:40:55,680 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 1: in a class by itself. Um. And you get a

1818
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:01,639
Speaker 1: sense of that, I believe from watching Black Hawk Down,

1819
01:41:01,960 --> 01:41:04,920
Speaker 1: which excellent movie of course based on the Mark Bowden

1820
01:41:05,560 --> 01:41:09,880
Speaker 1: book and uh something that I think we watch it

1821
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: now and in retrospect, given all of what's happened in

1822
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:16,800
Speaker 1: the War on Terror and the continued difficulties we've had

1823
01:41:16,920 --> 01:41:19,400
Speaker 1: with jee hottest around the world, and you you look

1824
01:41:19,439 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: at block Hawk Down and what that was symbolizing and

1825
01:41:22,920 --> 01:41:25,439
Speaker 1: the well, it's just there's a there's a lot. We

1826
01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,200
Speaker 1: We could talk about block Hawk Down for a while.

1827
01:41:27,320 --> 01:41:30,040
Speaker 1: But by the way, another book, and some people ask

1828
01:41:30,120 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 1: me to, I will try to do this, and the

1829
01:41:32,360 --> 01:41:34,519
Speaker 1: place I do it is on Facebook dot com slash

1830
01:41:34,560 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 1: buck sextent. That's where I can try to put my

1831
01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:40,439
Speaker 1: suggestions for these things. Books that I have mentioned on

1832
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:43,639
Speaker 1: the show this week, obviously Infidel I on Hersi Ali's book,

1833
01:41:43,640 --> 01:41:45,760
Speaker 1: and by these are not I'm not endorsing these, I'll

1834
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:47,679
Speaker 1: get a commission or anything. I'm just telling you books

1835
01:41:47,720 --> 01:41:49,600
Speaker 1: that I think and these are books that I have

1836
01:41:49,800 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 1: on well. Infidel is certainly book I have on my

1837
01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:56,519
Speaker 1: shelf currently, and I do have an inscribed copy from

1838
01:41:56,840 --> 01:42:01,000
Speaker 1: from my on uh you have we I wur rather?

1839
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:04,200
Speaker 1: I mentioned The God That Failed. I've gone to that

1840
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:07,559
Speaker 1: a few times. This week. A compilation of six former

1841
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:12,280
Speaker 1: communists writing about their experiences with the Communist Party, either

1842
01:42:12,360 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 1: as members or as fellow travelers ideological UH compatriots of

1843
01:42:17,120 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 1: the Communist Party without necessarily being It's the fact is,

1844
01:42:20,760 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 1: I believe it's out of print. My copy of it

1845
01:42:23,080 --> 01:42:25,439
Speaker 1: was expensive to acquire, at least by a book standard.

1846
01:42:25,479 --> 01:42:27,240
Speaker 1: I think I paid thirty five dollars for it, which

1847
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:31,519
Speaker 1: for a book, but for a used UH paperback, which

1848
01:42:31,600 --> 01:42:34,600
Speaker 1: for books these that's a lot um. It's like the

1849
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 1: book that I have on Islam and demitude, which is

1850
01:42:39,800 --> 01:42:43,800
Speaker 1: dimitude is a status of secondary class. You know. You'll

1851
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:48,720
Speaker 1: also oftentimes here supposed scholars of Islam, or people that

1852
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:51,120
Speaker 1: hold themselves up as scholars of Islam, they'll talk about

1853
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:54,240
Speaker 1: how tolerant the Ottoman Empire was. And I'm fond of

1854
01:42:54,320 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 1: pointing out because Ottoman history is something I've read a

1855
01:42:56,800 --> 01:43:01,080
Speaker 1: lot about and just having a particular interest in, I'd

1856
01:43:01,080 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 1: like to point out that, well, the Ottoman Empire is tolerant.

1857
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 1: If you consider uh the institutionalized uh slavery and pillaging

1858
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:14,920
Speaker 1: and oppression of non Islamic religions on a massive scale

1859
01:43:15,040 --> 01:43:17,880
Speaker 1: to be friendly and cool and great, well, then yeah,

1860
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,200
Speaker 1: it was a totally tolerant, peaceful empire. But if those

1861
01:43:20,240 --> 01:43:23,160
Speaker 1: other things bother you, then the Ottoman Empire should certainly

1862
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,120
Speaker 1: bother you. When they talk about the pluralism that existed

1863
01:43:26,160 --> 01:43:29,240
Speaker 1: within the Ottoman Empire, they are giving you a very

1864
01:43:29,400 --> 01:43:33,400
Speaker 1: revisionist history. Uh. You could, for example, point out that

1865
01:43:33,560 --> 01:43:37,280
Speaker 1: the Janissary program, while it's held up as being the

1866
01:43:37,360 --> 01:43:41,640
Speaker 1: equivalent of getting a you know, a scholarship, a scholarship

1867
01:43:41,720 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: to a top American university, as well as being a

1868
01:43:45,040 --> 01:43:49,960
Speaker 1: white House intern or something in the Ottoman equivalent of that,

1869
01:43:50,520 --> 01:43:52,400
Speaker 1: we're talking about over the course the Island Empire. When

1870
01:43:52,439 --> 01:43:54,680
Speaker 1: they started instituting this program, the reality is that it

1871
01:43:54,800 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 1: was taking children away from their families and enslaving them

1872
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: and making them uh instruments of the state, and ripping

1873
01:44:03,240 --> 01:44:05,519
Speaker 1: them from their parents at a very young age. It

1874
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:08,320
Speaker 1: was just a fancy form of slavery, never mind the

1875
01:44:08,360 --> 01:44:12,680
Speaker 1: other massive slavery that existed if nowhere else, and of

1876
01:44:12,760 --> 01:44:15,040
Speaker 1: course it did. But also on the galley ships that

1877
01:44:15,120 --> 01:44:19,800
Speaker 1: were central to Ottoman naval warfare, they used slaves, a

1878
01:44:19,880 --> 01:44:23,000
Speaker 1: lot of them Christian slaves on the oars. And you

1879
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:26,559
Speaker 1: can imagine your life span if you had people walking

1880
01:44:26,640 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 1: around with whips making you a effectively a beast of

1881
01:44:31,479 --> 01:44:34,720
Speaker 1: burden at an oar and a warship, and you were

1882
01:44:34,880 --> 01:44:38,000
Speaker 1: chained to that warship, your your lifespan was not going

1883
01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:40,320
Speaker 1: to be very long. So a lot of slavery and

1884
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 1: oppression within the atom An Empire. Although it's of course

1885
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:46,240
Speaker 1: held up now as the well the greatest Islamic civilization,

1886
01:44:46,360 --> 01:44:48,280
Speaker 1: really who have ever existed? You can talk about some

1887
01:44:48,439 --> 01:44:53,240
Speaker 1: of the previous caliphates, the Abbasids and the Umayad's and

1888
01:44:53,800 --> 01:44:56,600
Speaker 1: and these are all I think I'm touching on a

1889
01:44:56,680 --> 01:44:58,479
Speaker 1: lot of stuff here that if you continue to listen

1890
01:44:58,520 --> 01:45:00,840
Speaker 1: to this show, we'll do more deep die into these areas,

1891
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: because this is what was not taught in school. Was

1892
01:45:03,439 --> 01:45:05,200
Speaker 1: certainly not taught to me in school, and I studied

1893
01:45:05,240 --> 01:45:08,479
Speaker 1: the Middle East in school formally, Um, not taught and

1894
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:12,320
Speaker 1: have to find out much more about this on my own. UM.

1895
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:14,920
Speaker 1: I got on a bit of a tangent here. I

1896
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:19,000
Speaker 1: was talking to you about uh Infidel, and I was

1897
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 1: also mentioned I mentioned the god that failed. Oh Vimitude, Sorry,

1898
01:45:23,280 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 1: Vimitude is Islam and Dimitude is a book that I

1899
01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:28,200
Speaker 1: think I paid fifty dollars for that one, not that

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Speaker 1: you care about what I'm paying for books, But another

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Speaker 1: one that I think is out of print Battior Battior

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Speaker 1: is the is the author, and you go through this

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Speaker 1: and it explains that, yeah, you could have lived in

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Speaker 1: many Islamic societies as a non Muslim as that you

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Speaker 1: are a Christian, but you had a special form of

1906
01:45:44,000 --> 01:45:46,599
Speaker 1: dress you had to wear, you were a second class citizen.

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Speaker 1: You couldn't bring charges in a court against a Muslim.

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Speaker 1: And there's just you go down the whole list and

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Speaker 1: you go, okay, this is not okay, this is not acceptable. Um.

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Speaker 1: And the fact that this is always skipped over is

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Speaker 1: a scandal. Uh. It is the worst kind of historiography

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Speaker 1: or the worst kind of rewriting of history. And it's

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Speaker 1: very annoying to me that that kids and and even

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Speaker 1: adults that study this don't get taught the truth. Vim

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Speaker 1: Me has to pay a tax called the jizya, and

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Speaker 1: the jis as a special tax on nonbelievers, on infidels,

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Speaker 1: and just to understand, under classical Vimi regulations rules, if

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Speaker 1: you stop to pay the jizya, you could be killed.

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Speaker 1: So it was protection money. And it's always talked about

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Speaker 1: like the Ottomans were so thoughtful and kind to their

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Speaker 1: Christian and Jewish subjects. That is a that is a

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Speaker 1: giant lie, but a lie that will get into more

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Speaker 1: detail on another time. I will. I am planning to

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Speaker 1: do entire history segments and maybe even some hours of

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Speaker 1: the show. Maybe on Fridays in the third hour, there'll

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Speaker 1: be history deep dives. This is what this is what

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Speaker 1: you get in the Freedom, my friends. This is what

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Speaker 1: we are heading towards, not just news of the day,

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Speaker 1: but also the knowledge and the background on issues that

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Speaker 1: will allow you to first of all beat everybody else

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Speaker 1: in debates, and also to know more about this than

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Speaker 1: you get from watching a thirty minute news broadcast. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's its own thing. But you listen to this show,

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Speaker 1: and I promise you you will know more after the

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Speaker 1: show than you did before it because of the work

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Speaker 1: and the research we put into it. Uh I on

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Speaker 1: her c l a Infidel is a fantastic book. You

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01:47:16,920 --> 01:47:20,360
Speaker 1: learned that she grew up in the oppressive and totalitarian

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Speaker 1: Islamic society of Somalia, and then she moved to Kenya,

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Speaker 1: and she lived in Saudi Arabia and also saw different

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Speaker 1: versions of Islamic oppression in those countries. She also underwent

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Speaker 1: against her will. Of course, the process of f G M.

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Speaker 1: Which is female genital mutilation. She writes about this in

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Speaker 1: the book it is difficult reading. It is important for

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Speaker 1: people to understand what that is and to really read

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Speaker 1: about it from a first person perspective, because it is

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Speaker 1: a widespread practice still in some of the Muslim world,

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Speaker 1: and we are not supposed to talk about it. When

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Speaker 1: it is reported on there are always those who say, oh,

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Speaker 1: this is just defaming Islam, or this is not this

1951
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Speaker 1: is a tribal practice, this is on an Islamic practice. Well,

1952
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Speaker 1: you look at a majority of the places, and of

1953
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Speaker 1: course this is where some uh pseudo intellectual left just

1954
01:48:07,160 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: would come along. Well, not all the places where it

1955
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Speaker 1: happens are Islamic. You look at a vast majority of

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Speaker 1: places where it is conducted and they are almost entirely Muslim,

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Speaker 1: and it's much more widespread practice in Egypt, then I

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Speaker 1: think anyone wants to know or is willing to talk about.

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Speaker 1: From there, I on moves to Germany and then Amsterdam.

1960
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Speaker 1: In Amsterdam, she is given her first glimpse and then

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Speaker 1: lives in what is a free society and realizes that

1962
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Speaker 1: much of what she's been told in these Islamic societies

1963
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Speaker 1: for her young years in her life was a series

1964
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Speaker 1: of lies. There were lies that were told to her,

1965
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Speaker 1: and then she becomes more outspoken about this. She eventually

1966
01:48:45,320 --> 01:48:48,760
Speaker 1: befriends theo van Go. Theo van Go was executed in

1967
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Speaker 1: the street for making a movie submission which I on

1968
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Speaker 1: her c l A was taking part in. In fact,

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Speaker 1: in the note at the murder scene of theo van

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Speaker 1: Go that was jammed into his chest with a knife

1971
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Speaker 1: after he had been killed in the streets of Amsterdam.

1972
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Speaker 1: It was a threat, a threat was stabbed into the chest,

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Speaker 1: a threat naming on her Siali, herself. The Dutch, to

1974
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Speaker 1: their everlasting shame, weren't willing to deal with all the threats,

1975
01:49:12,160 --> 01:49:15,400
Speaker 1: the Islamist threats against Ion's life, despite the fact that

1976
01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:17,960
Speaker 1: she was an elected member of parliament. They just didn't

1977
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Speaker 1: want to deal with it. There is this European willingness, unfortunately,

1978
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Speaker 1: and I think it's starting to go away, but a

1979
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Speaker 1: willingness to be appeasers of Islam instead of standing tall

1980
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Speaker 1: shoulder her shoulder shields high against it. She eventually fled

1981
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Speaker 1: to the United States, and when she was since she's

1982
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Speaker 1: been here, she's able to speak freely. And now you

1983
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Speaker 1: have to give credit to the American Enterprise Institute for

1984
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Speaker 1: initially sponsoring her to get her over here, and now

1985
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Speaker 1: she's a very important voice in Islamic reform. If we

1986
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Speaker 1: are going to beat these bad guys around the world,

1987
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:55,920
Speaker 1: we're going to need the help of good guys, good

1988
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Speaker 1: guys from within the Muslim faith and girls, of course,

1989
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Speaker 1: I mean guys in the general sense. And Hion's book,

1990
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, Infidel it is UH. It is a

1991
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Speaker 1: very powerful read. Um. And if you can get yourself

1992
01:50:07,479 --> 01:50:12,720
Speaker 1: a copy of Uh, the God that Failed about communism

1993
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Speaker 1: and the truth of what it is to be a

1994
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Speaker 1: part of a communist party in a free society and

1995
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Speaker 1: that then becomes a totalitarian society, I recommend that too.

1996
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Speaker 1: That can be tough to track down. More buck books

1997
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Speaker 1: another day, another time. Team, I've got to hit this

1998
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Speaker 1: break and we'll be right back, Tim. I thought we'd

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Speaker 1: take a little a little break here from the intense stuff.

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Speaker 1: This one comes courtesy of producer Amy over here in

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Speaker 1: the Freedom Hut. So. Um, you know, I had a

2002
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Speaker 1: I had an English nanny growing up and she oh, hello,

2003
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Speaker 1: I know, Mrs Doubtfer. She didn't sound like that though

2004
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Speaker 1: she was from Liverpool. And I don't know how one

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Speaker 1: would do a liver Liverpudlian accent. That's how that's one

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Speaker 1: from Liverpool is a Liverpudlian fun little bit of trivia

2007
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Speaker 1: there um. But she she was a very interesting lady

2008
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Speaker 1: and love the National Enquirer. Fake nos, but she loved it.

2009
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Speaker 1: So I grew up hanging out with a well other

2010
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Speaker 1: than my wonderful parents and siblings, but we had it

2011
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Speaker 1: for a while on nanny who loved the National Enquirer.

2012
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Speaker 1: And also anything that she saw on TV that was

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Speaker 1: like a limited edition expensive trinket of some kind, you know,

2014
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Speaker 1: a little a little sterling silver rolls Royce that you

2015
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Speaker 1: would see adverage. I don't know if some of you

2016
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Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about anything like that. She loved

2017
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Speaker 1: those things, little collectibles. She lived pretty much entirely on

2018
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Speaker 1: And when I say entirely, I never saw her eat

2019
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Speaker 1: anything that wasn't porridge, which I believe is actually called

2020
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Speaker 1: cream of wheat, but she does, Oh it's your h

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Speaker 1: your porridge. And also she liked pound cake. Does anyone

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Speaker 1: have any pound cake and fried fish philets because in

2023
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 1: in England apparently they pronounced the tea fried fish filet,

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Speaker 1: fried fish Phillips. I've got a Philip. What did you like?

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Speaker 1: A Philip Buckle? She called me bucko. So she also

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Speaker 1: loved Wheel of Fortunes. This reminds me of her. She

2027
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Speaker 1: used to watch Wheel of Fortune all the time. I

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Speaker 1: to sit there and watch Wheel of Fortune with her.

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Speaker 1: And this is the Wheel of Fortune story. I just

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Speaker 1: got me thinking about the English English and nanny I

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Speaker 1: had for a little while growing up. And she or

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Speaker 1: rather this is this is how it goes. There's Wheel

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Speaker 1: of Fortune. Contestant uh or was this earlier? And it

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Speaker 1: was yesterday? Had a street car n a blank e

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Speaker 1: d desire of course, trying to get us to or

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Speaker 1: trying to get the contestant to say the Tennessee Williams

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Speaker 1: play and the player here went with a street car

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Speaker 1: naked desire. He went for a K instead of an

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Speaker 1: AM on that one. And you know, I just I

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Speaker 1: want to I'm gonna have to find this clip and

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Speaker 1: check it out, because there's no there's no amusing game

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Speaker 1: show f L. I think quite as as awesome as

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Speaker 1: the epic as the epic Wheel of Fortune fail, maybe

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Speaker 1: the epic Jeopardy fail. But it's you don't get as

2045
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Speaker 1: close in in Jeopardy unless it's Celebrity Jeopardy, which is

2046
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,759
Speaker 1: still one of the greatest ever. Welcome to Celebrity Jeopardy

2047
01:53:15,080 --> 01:53:18,719
Speaker 1: was still one of the greatest SNL continuous SNL sketches

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Speaker 1: of all time. I think it's really probably Will Ferrell's

2049
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Speaker 1: finest work, in my opinion, are certainly up there with

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Speaker 1: his finest work, along with old School uh and other

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Speaker 1: movies that we can talk about another time. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course a street car named Desire was the was

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Speaker 1: the desired answer there and uh that did not work out,

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Speaker 1: but fun fun to think back to that. Uh. Please

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Speaker 1: do team. Go to Facebook dot com slash buck Sexton

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Speaker 1: click like there and you can also send me messages

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Speaker 1: and thoughts on today's show. Also download subscribe to the

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Speaker 1: podcast on iTunes. Shields Hie