1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Battleground Podcast. Hey, it's Battle and boyd 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: we have a good show for you today. On the show, 3 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:12,120 Speaker 1: we have the executive producer and co creator of one 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 1: of our favorite shows on TV right now, Vice's Dark 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Side of the Ring, and if you have not seen it, 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: you definitely need to check it out. Tell some of 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: the darkest stories from wrestling. 8 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: And of course this season you've got Chrispin robberts Or debut, 9 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 2: You've got New Jacket's Babe You and Christen, a coup at, 10 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: Aaron Harrett, We Can't Doom, and so many other things. 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 1: And oh man, it's gonna be an amazing season. So 12 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: of course we're gonna talk about this upcoming season. We're 13 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,559 Speaker 1: also gonna talk about everything that happened last season. Can 14 00:00:38,640 --> 00:00:40,920 Speaker 1: there be a season three? We're also gonna talk about 15 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: their podcast as well. 16 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 3: That they just got. 17 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: Also, I realized that I did not do this the 18 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: other day on the show, and I feel like a 19 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:50,239 Speaker 1: complete jerk for not giving this person a shout out. 20 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: But I do want to give a shout out to 21 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: Metal Dave for listening all the way in Leeds, England. 22 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Awesome guy. Make sure you follow him. He is at 23 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:05,640 Speaker 1: Davy Underscore Suria. Maybe please forgive me if I just 24 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: butchered it, but it's Davy Underscore, s u r Ya 25 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,560 Speaker 1: and Metal Dave. Thank you so much for listening all 26 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: the way and leads England. But without further ado, Guys, 27 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:18,400 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, here's the episode with Evan Husting. 28 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 4: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the battle Ground Podcast. This 29 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 4: is a podcast all about professional wrestling, joined Battle and 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 4: Eli as a breakdown what's going on in the world 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 4: of professional wrestling with special guests including some of your 32 00:01:34,440 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 4: favorite wrestling superstars. You never know who's gonna stop by 33 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 4: now making their way to the microphone. Give it up 34 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 4: for the greatest podcast team in the world. 35 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: Battle and Eli something that we are big fans of 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,560 Speaker 1: on the show, and we've talked about this numerous times. 37 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: I know me and ELI have gone back and forth 38 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 1: every time a new episode came out. But Vice's Dark 39 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: Side of the Ring and for those of you that 40 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: don't know what Dark Side of the Ring is it 41 00:02:02,480 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: Arizona Tuesday nights on Vice and has told the darkest 42 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,880 Speaker 1: stories of professional wrestling, such as, of course, the Montreal 43 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: School Screwjob, Macho Man and Miss Elizabeth and of course 44 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: this upcoming season you've got Owen Hart. Road Warriors just 45 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:18,640 Speaker 1: released Crispin Want and New Jack and more. Very exciting 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 1: for us. Right now, we are joined today by the 47 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: executive producer and co creator, Evan Huskny. He's on the phone, 48 00:02:24,600 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: he's on the show with us right now. Thanks for 49 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: being on the. 50 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 3: Show with us, Evan, Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. 51 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: Man, it's such an honed to have you on here. 52 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,959 Speaker 1: And like I said, I mean, we're big fans of 53 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,320 Speaker 1: the show, and it's like, I think I stumbled across 54 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: the first one of the episodes. It was Bruger Brody 55 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,919 Speaker 1: and I just stumbled across on YouTube one day and 56 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:42,200 Speaker 1: I was hooked ever since. 57 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 3: Oh sweet, that's awesome. Thank you. 58 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:48,399 Speaker 5: Yeah, we've gotten too. So we interviewed dutch Mentel last 59 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 5: year when season one was going on, and then we 60 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 5: also got NDBA star Josephus on the show and he 61 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 5: portrayed Bruiser. And we also talked to Road Warrior animals, 62 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 5: so we're really excited to see their episode. 63 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:01,200 Speaker 2: Definitely. 64 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like mirroring our our show. 65 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,240 Speaker 5: You know, we have guests and then there's a story 66 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 5: about him on Dark Side's wort of like. 67 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 3: Oh cool, So so it all works out. Yeah, that's awesome. Yeah, 68 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 3: I love Joe. Joe's Show's awesome. And the Road Warriors 69 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 3: episode that we have coming this season is definitely like 70 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:21,359 Speaker 3: very personal towards uh or you know, for me and 71 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: for Jason who does the show with me, where we 72 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 3: both grew up huge fans, So it's kind of our 73 00:03:24,880 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 3: love letter to the Road Warriors. 74 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, they're they're a huge fan of them. 75 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't wait to see that show. And let 76 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: me just first off saying congrats on getting season two 77 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:37,720 Speaker 1: of Dark Side of the Ring. I know, I was 78 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: excited when I found out that there was a second 79 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: season because I'd follow you guys on social media and 80 00:03:43,120 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: it was always what do you want us to do 81 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: for the second season? And you know, all the questions 82 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: and of course, you know, the number one I'm assuming 83 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: was Crispin Waugh. 84 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 5: Was on that list. 85 00:03:54,160 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 3: Definitely. Yeah. Right after the first season aired, we we 86 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: just you know, sent out a message to all of 87 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 3: all the viewers that follow us on social media like 88 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:05,400 Speaker 3: what you know, what do you guys want to see? 89 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 3: And it was overwhelming that the Chris Benoa episode was 90 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: by far and away the number one topic that viewers 91 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 3: wanted to see. Owen Hart was a close second. But yeah, 92 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 3: so we just and we had been researching that that 93 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,880 Speaker 3: story previously. We actually considered doing it for season one, 94 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: but that we were just we weren't in the place, 95 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 3: I think, to tackle something that massive. I don't think 96 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 3: we had the street cred to probably get access to 97 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 3: a story like that, and I'm really glad that we 98 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,400 Speaker 3: did kind of put it on the back burner during 99 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 3: season one. And it was actually during the hiatus between 100 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 3: season one and two that Jason and I and chav 101 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 3: Guerro Junior kind of came together and we kind of 102 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 3: put together plans to do the ben Wah project one 103 00:04:50,279 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 3: way or the other, whether that was going to be 104 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:53,920 Speaker 3: with season two or whether that would be just with 105 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: a totally separate project. So we had been researching it 106 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 3: probably for about four or five months before we just 107 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 3: you know basically started to you know, head out the 108 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 3: door and start filming for season two. 109 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 1: Now, you know, after talking about season one, of course 110 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: it was awesome, and then we've gotten the first you know, 111 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: two episodes, three episodes actually of this season and they're 112 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: amazing as well. How did, like, I guess, the concept 113 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: come about, like take us through what the brainswimming process 114 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: is for like each episode. And whose idea was it 115 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,400 Speaker 1: to be, like, let's tell the stories that a big 116 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 1: company's not going to tell you. 117 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: Well, you mean, like how dark side of the Ring 118 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 3: just like from its from like the very beginning. How 119 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 3: it came to be? 120 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 2: Right? Yeah? 121 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, So I had been working advice for a number 122 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,800 Speaker 3: of years. I think I think it was in twenty 123 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 3: sixteen is when we started to kind of cope with 124 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 3: the idea for this. And you know, Jason and I 125 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 3: have grown up as wrestling fans are our whole lives. 126 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 3: We've been wrestling fans, and we really and that's what 127 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: we bonded over. We actually met each other in the 128 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 3: in the film world circle probably about ten years a 129 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 3: little over ten years ago now, and we bonded over wrestling. 130 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 3: And at the time when we were kind of becoming 131 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: best friends, there was we were sharing a lot of 132 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 3: shoot interviews back and forth and just being like, wow, 133 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,760 Speaker 3: can you believe this story? Here's this Honky tonk Man 134 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:21,000 Speaker 3: thing or this you know or whatever, and that started 135 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: to just escalate, passing him back and forth and just 136 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,279 Speaker 3: really being captivated by stories that a lot of these 137 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: wrestlers would tell. And I would say a lot of 138 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 3: the stories kind of more from the kfabe era, more 139 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 3: of like the eighties stuff, like back when it was 140 00:06:34,360 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: more of a full on protected business. Were those stories 141 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: were just more fascinating to us because it was from 142 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 3: such a bygone era. So then I think it was 143 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 3: around the time when we got around to Dutch Mantel's 144 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 3: shoot interview talking about the night that Brody was killed 145 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: and the way he told the story just with his 146 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,600 Speaker 3: accent and everything. It was so dramatic and it just 147 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,920 Speaker 3: felt like I was watching a true crime documentary. And 148 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 3: I basically that's when we started to really like get 149 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 3: fascinated by the Bruis of Brody story because we're, you know, 150 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: in our thirties, you know Bruis of Brody was, you know, 151 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 3: we're too little, too young to have really appreciated him 152 00:07:13,280 --> 00:07:16,720 Speaker 3: and during his time, So we just went we just 153 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 3: went back and watched all of his matches and just 154 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 3: got totally captivated by him as both a performer and 155 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 3: also his story of his tragic death and then also 156 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 3: finding that, wow, this story is really gone by the wayside, 157 00:07:29,680 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 3: Like not a lot of wrestling fans I think in 158 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 3: this generation or even a generation below, really know what 159 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 3: happened like this. This was like, you know, pretty much 160 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 3: a straight up murder, and so we felt like it 161 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,840 Speaker 3: was right for Rediscovery And that's how the whole show 162 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,720 Speaker 3: came together. Was just the idea of wanting to do 163 00:07:46,840 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 3: a documentary about Bruis of Brody and I guess stylistically, 164 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 3: Jason and I are huge fans of this documentary called 165 00:07:54,320 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 3: The Thin Blue Line from the eighties, which is like 166 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 3: kind of a seminal true crime documentary from the from 167 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: the eighties, and and we basically were just like, what 168 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: if you did a shoot interview basically on the scale 169 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 3: and with the artistry of The Thin Blue Line and 170 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 3: put it on that level. And that was kind of 171 00:08:12,880 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 3: what we decided that we want to do, and then 172 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 3: it just evolved from there. It just evolved into the too. 173 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: You know, my. 174 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 3: My department Advice at the time just didn't have the 175 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 3: resources to make something on that budget. So it actually 176 00:08:28,400 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 3: coincided perfectly with Vice launching their TV network, and so 177 00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 3: they launched a TV network and they were like, Hey, 178 00:08:34,160 --> 00:08:36,319 Speaker 3: does anybody have any ideas for a TV show? And 179 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: I kind of took it seriously and was like yeah, 180 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 3: And so we up brought it to them and it 181 00:08:43,040 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 3: wasn't overnight that they got that. They got it, you know. 182 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: I mean, they had a lot of the same reservations 183 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 3: that anybody in the entertainment industry would have about wrestling, 184 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 3: and it took a lot of convincing and a lot 185 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:55,319 Speaker 3: of salesmanship and a lot of persistence. Probably three or 186 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: four times it was dead in the water as a project, 187 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: I would say, And then finally we got the green 188 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 3: light to make the pilot, which we spent about a 189 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:07,719 Speaker 3: majority of twenty seventeen working on, and then that was 190 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 3: the Bruiser Brodie episode that was finished, and then we 191 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 3: got some more salesmanship had to occur, and then we 192 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: got the green light for the full season, which we 193 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 3: shot on all of twenty eighteen. 194 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 5: Nice well, with the premise of the show being so 195 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 5: revealing about not only individual wrestlers, but also just the 196 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 5: business at large. Have you had a difficult time cooperating 197 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 5: with not only like promotions you know that have worked 198 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 5: with these wrestlers, but also like their family members and 199 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 5: stuff like that. As far as like videos and you know, 200 00:09:39,400 --> 00:09:41,960 Speaker 5: video resources or just other imports, has there been any 201 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:42,839 Speaker 5: difficulties with that? 202 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:49,679 Speaker 3: Well, not necessarily with like like video stuff, you know, 203 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,320 Speaker 3: because basically we take a journalistic approach to a lot 204 00:09:52,360 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 3: of the archival that we use, you know, whether that's 205 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 3: through fair use or through you know, just an acquiring 206 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:05,120 Speaker 3: archival materials by any means necessary. But we do find that, 207 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 3: you know, getting family members on board and wrestlers, getting 208 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 3: anyone on board for the show can be challenging, not 209 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,080 Speaker 3: all the time. Sometimes you know, people are are are 210 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: are our game to tell their story, but other times, 211 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 3: you know, you're talking about a very tragic thing or 212 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 3: a thing that's been very difficult for people, or you're 213 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 3: talking to wrestlers sometimes who you know can be a 214 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 3: little guarded and don't want to you know, because it 215 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 3: has been such a protected business over the years, especially 216 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: when you get to the older generation of wrestlers, it 217 00:10:34,640 --> 00:10:36,439 Speaker 3: can be a little bit more challenging in that way. 218 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 3: But it's always kind of a struggle to get everything 219 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 3: in place for an episode, right. 220 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: I mean, when we talked to Dutch Mantel, he kind 221 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: of told some stories, but like you just said, I mean, 222 00:10:46,679 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: he didn't go into full details just because you know, 223 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 1: he's the older generation and he wasn't telling us anything. 224 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 1: But I think the one story that I took away 225 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:55,800 Speaker 1: from Dutch was he did talk a little bit about 226 00:10:55,800 --> 00:10:58,600 Speaker 1: the Bruiser Brody, but he also talked about a story 227 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: of I think it was him and maybe Tony Atlas 228 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 1: and the KKK coming up to him. Did he tell 229 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: you that story? 230 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 3: Tony has told me. I think with the time that 231 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:12,559 Speaker 3: we spent with Tony uh all the way back in 232 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,079 Speaker 3: the beginning, Uh, he had told us a lot of 233 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:20,520 Speaker 3: stories about uh, the KKK and wrestling, which is really fascinating. 234 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:23,320 Speaker 3: It was actually a topic that we had considered uh 235 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 3: covering or just covering, like you know, race, like racial 236 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:33,080 Speaker 3: tension and stories in wrestling over the years. There's definitely 237 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,520 Speaker 3: a complicated relationship with that. And you know a lot 238 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: of the Southern wrestlers were card carriers of the KKK 239 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 3: because they could get out of traffic tickets and they 240 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,199 Speaker 3: could you know, do this, and they could do that. 241 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: And of course, you know, we explored that a little 242 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 3: bit in our Fabulous Mulah episode as well, where we 243 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 3: told the story of a of a female black you know, 244 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:55,200 Speaker 3: wrestler named us Sweet Georgia Brown and kind of her 245 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 3: run ins with the KKK, And yeah, man, it was 246 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 3: a wild time back then, especially, you know, with a 247 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 3: lot of these guys traveling through small towns and going 248 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: through that part of the world during that time. 249 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 1: Just crazy hearing when Dutch and of course you hear 250 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,640 Speaker 1: these kind of stories. Evan Hustny is our guest on 251 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: the show right now, so I'm sure that you've come 252 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: across stories and facts in every episode that you've never 253 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: heard of before. This is kind of like a two parter. 254 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: What has been the biggest eye opener for you in 255 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: producing these episodes and then what has been that one 256 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: story that really took you by surprise? 257 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 3: They kind of go hand in hand both the questions. 258 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 3: But there's definitely a few things I don't want to 259 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 3: spoil yet for season two. For season two, there were 260 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: some facts well we don't even know if they're facts, 261 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: but details that came to light in one of the 262 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 3: stories that we're covering this season that definitely took me 263 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: aback for sure. But I guess in the episodes that 264 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,959 Speaker 3: have already been out there, I think last season when 265 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 3: we were doing the Geno Hernandez episode, that that was 266 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 3: really kind of one of the more eye opening experiences 267 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 3: we had, because, you know, it was a story that 268 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:12,839 Speaker 3: we kind of you know, for those who don't know 269 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: it's it's a story about a wrestler whose death was 270 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 3: kind of shrouded in a lot of mystery some of 271 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 3: the some it was ruled as an accidental drug overdose, 272 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 3: but some wrestlers for decades and even including family members, 273 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:28,319 Speaker 3: believed it was a homicide. And and so when we 274 00:13:28,679 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 3: actually went into producing that episode only knowing the rumors, 275 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 3: and it took kind of a lot of faith on 276 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 3: the network and everybody else to let us pursue that, 277 00:13:38,679 --> 00:13:41,520 Speaker 3: because you know, you might on the other end of it, 278 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: you might find out that, you know, the story there 279 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 3: isn't really a story there, you know. And so when 280 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 3: we went, when we went headfirst into that into the 281 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:52,440 Speaker 3: Geno Hernandez world, it was every day in the office 282 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,800 Speaker 3: was like a wild bit of information that would pop 283 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:59,679 Speaker 3: up that would make you question everything you thought you 284 00:13:59,760 --> 00:14:02,719 Speaker 3: knew about it. So that especially when we talked to 285 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:06,320 Speaker 3: Gino's family for the first time, and Gino's mother told 286 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 3: us that that that she had stared at her son's killer, 287 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:12,000 Speaker 3: you know, in the eyes, and knew where he lives 288 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 3: and everything, and we just couldn't believe it. We just 289 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 3: couldn't believe that these wrestler rumors, which usually wind up 290 00:14:16,280 --> 00:14:20,440 Speaker 3: to be not true sometimes were in fact, you know, 291 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 3: much more possible than we had thought. So so that 292 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 3: was that was wild, that whole experience, especially the in 293 00:14:26,720 --> 00:14:29,480 Speaker 3: producing it too, Like there were moments where, you know, 294 00:14:29,520 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: we had a lot of off the record conversations with 295 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 3: anonymous people at barbecue restaurants and tape recorders and had 296 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 3: our car broken into and there. That was a pretty 297 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 3: wild experience doing that episode, and there are some shades 298 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 3: of that in season two as well. 299 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 1: Oh geez man, that's crazy. So let's kind of fast 300 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,840 Speaker 1: forward to let's talk about this this season that's underway 301 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:51,960 Speaker 1: right now. We've seen the stories of Crispin wah, and 302 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: then we've got New Jack last night. And let me say, 303 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: the Crispin episode, I think I've seen it three or 304 00:14:57,240 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 1: four times, and I'm still amazed at how great of 305 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:02,480 Speaker 1: a job you guys did. And of course not with 306 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 1: Javo and all them, you know, being out there and open. 307 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: When you found out about getting a second season, did 308 00:15:08,640 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: you know for sure that the Crispin Lost story had 309 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: to be told this season? 310 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 3: Well, like I said, it was something that we had considered, uh, 311 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 3: for season one. I mean, obviously, when you're doing a 312 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 3: show that explores the darker, controversial side of wrestling, and 313 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:30,160 Speaker 3: it's hard to ignore the Crispin WAH story just because 314 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 3: it's one of the more massive ones. But you know 315 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 3: it has been told before, and you know it's a 316 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:40,520 Speaker 3: story that requires a lot of intimate access in order 317 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 3: to do it properly. And for us, it was just 318 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 3: like I think, I think taking the taking the time 319 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: that we did to really consider how we were going 320 00:15:48,920 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: to tell the story and to make and to foster 321 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 3: relationships with a lot of the people that are close 322 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 3: to that story was was the right way to go. 323 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 3: Because what we found in that process is we found 324 00:15:59,760 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 3: that there's so many unresolved I mean even after our 325 00:16:03,760 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 3: show too, but there's a lot of unresolved issues with 326 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 3: that story. And it sort of was like this thing 327 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: that happened in two thousand and seven and then it 328 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: just didn't feel like there was really any closure, I 329 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 3: mean barely any closure. For anyone, and I mean people 330 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 3: that were involved in the story all the way down 331 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 3: the line to fans. I mean, just was this thing 332 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 3: that happened and then everyone was there was kind of 333 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: it just became taboo, something no one could talk about. 334 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 3: And I felt like, thirteen years later, you can look 335 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 3: back on it and there's a lot to learn from it. 336 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 3: And also there's a lot there's there's a lot deeper understanding. 337 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 3: I think that we have now over some issues that 338 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 3: are explored in that story. And the only way that 339 00:16:44,320 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: we felt like we could really do it, I think 340 00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 3: is getting access to people who were close to that 341 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 3: inner circle, and that was the only way to do it. 342 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 3: And again go back to saying, you know, giving props 343 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 3: to chav Guerrero, I don't think that we would have 344 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 3: been able to achieve getting all those folks on board 345 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 3: and and and and believing in us and making those 346 00:17:04,440 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 3: relationships without him, And and then yeah, once we did 347 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 3: connect with these folks, we realized that they wanted to 348 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 3: tell this story, They wanted to open up about this 349 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 3: for the most part, like they wanted to get this 350 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,359 Speaker 3: off their chest and have kind of a platform to 351 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 3: do that. And also that you always run the risk 352 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:27,320 Speaker 3: of this story consistently being told over and over again 353 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: and reopening wounds, and we kind of wanted to try 354 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 3: to come together to make something more definitive that was like, Okay, 355 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 3: here's the definitive piece about what these people feel about 356 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,800 Speaker 3: this story. And then we found that, you know, they 357 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 3: also are victims in this story because they're the people 358 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 3: that are left here to try and you know, come 359 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 3: to terms with what's happened. And and that was just 360 00:17:49,960 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 3: it just felt like it was such a big story 361 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 3: that was even though it's been covered a lot, it 362 00:17:54,160 --> 00:18:00,320 Speaker 3: hasn't really been talked about in the right way, I guess, right. 363 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: And you know, I was watching it, sitting there taking 364 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: in so much stuff, Like I think the one thing 365 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: that you know that was in the back of my 366 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 1: mind watching it was when Chavo was explaining how he 367 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: found Eddie, you know, laying there in the bathroom, and 368 00:18:14,720 --> 00:18:17,240 Speaker 1: just you see the emotion like I felt it through 369 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: the TV screen. And then you know, you see Chris, 370 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 1: you see David sitting there talking about his dad, and 371 00:18:23,880 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 1: just like the pure excitement and smile in his face 372 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: every time he just talked about him, Like it just 373 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: lit up and you know, you could tell that this 374 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: was a good thing for them to talk about it. 375 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 3: M Yeah, that was the thing. Like a lot of 376 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:40,200 Speaker 3: the interviews we did for the Chris Ben Watts story 377 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 3: were definitely some of the more emotional ones that we 378 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:47,080 Speaker 3: did this season or maybe ever. And we always had 379 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:49,879 Speaker 3: this feeling like after doing after, because a lot of 380 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 3: these interviews are three, four or five hours long. They're 381 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 3: very very long, and you find that it is therapeutic 382 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,560 Speaker 3: to some extent for the folks involved, and it definitely 383 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 3: felt that way for David. And David has mentioned in 384 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 3: interviews now since the episodes come out that he said 385 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 3: that sitting down in that chair, looking at the camera 386 00:19:11,320 --> 00:19:14,399 Speaker 3: telling his story, he's been able to start to let 387 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 3: go of thirteen years of pain, you know, which is 388 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 3: which is amazing. And I got the impression that during 389 00:19:20,560 --> 00:19:24,920 Speaker 3: our interview, I don't think David has really ever really 390 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 3: opened up about this story before, possibly maybe to anyone 391 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 3: or to very few people, And so that was just 392 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 3: it just felt like that interview was so raw and 393 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 3: so from the heart and felt like again like just 394 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 3: one of the times he's probably the first time, maybe 395 00:19:43,800 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 3: maybe he's ever really gone to that place, but after 396 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 3: the interview, he had remarked to us that, you know, 397 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 3: he felt like a weight was lifted off. And even 398 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: when we went to AW show. When we went to 399 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 3: the to the AW show in I think it was 400 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 3: in Chicago together where we brought David Benoa there and 401 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:04,719 Speaker 3: Sandra to go meet Christ Jericho backstage, and we all 402 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 3: went there. Even Chris Jericho, who's known David for you know, 403 00:20:08,760 --> 00:20:11,119 Speaker 3: for a few years, was like, Wow, there's something different 404 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: about you. You seem more you know, like you're standing 405 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 3: up straight and you seem more more, more positive or 406 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 3: something positive about you. And so that was really cool, 407 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 3: I think for to be able to see that difference 408 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: in him. 409 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 5: Yeah, I think a lot of your kind of the 410 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 5: positive remarks, especially for the ben Wa episode was I 411 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 5: don't think people were ready for the Eddie stuff. 412 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 3: I know I wasn't. 413 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 5: So it was like it was the view edged sword. 414 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,680 Speaker 5: You kind of had the you know, the tragedy that 415 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 5: was no one's fault, and then you had the tragedy 416 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 5: that was and it was just that cold kind of 417 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 5: you know, and then also getting Jericho on there. You know, 418 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:50,480 Speaker 5: obviously he's still huge star, and so that's a long 419 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 5: winded introduction to the cast and production is amazing and 420 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,040 Speaker 5: from looks that you got an amazing group of people 421 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 5: to talk about all these stories that you've come up with. 422 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 5: Is there our process for how you decide who you 423 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 5: want to talk on these stories or is it just 424 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 5: a if he's available, we'll get in, Like what's what's 425 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 5: the process with that? 426 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 3: It depends on the story. Sometimes it's like it just 427 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,800 Speaker 3: comes out of research. I guess, uh, for the most part, 428 00:21:16,840 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 3: because for our show, you know, we only have so 429 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 3: much budgeted for travel, and the show is so travel 430 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 3: intensive for us too, because we just fly around everywhere 431 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 3: and we can never schedule we can never schedule the 432 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 3: the the the travel in like a in a practical 433 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 3: way where it's like, okay, like we're gonna do all 434 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 3: the things, we're gonna shoot in Florida, We'll just shoot 435 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:41,119 Speaker 3: in Florida. 436 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 4: I know. 437 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,680 Speaker 3: We always find ourselves going back to Florida or something like, 438 00:21:43,800 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: you know, twenty times in a year, just because we're 439 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 3: at mercy of you know, the edit schedule of the show. 440 00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:54,000 Speaker 3: And sometimes it's just through research finding out you know, 441 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 3: who's talked about it before, who's never talked about it, 442 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 3: you know, and then trying to trying to gain acces 443 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 3: to those people, trying to make relationships through other wrestlers 444 00:22:03,480 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 3: and through other folks and or cold calling, and it's 445 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 3: all just kind of a case by case basis. But 446 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 3: you know, for the Benoa episodes specifically, it kind of 447 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,480 Speaker 3: was talking to Chavo and and and because Javo being 448 00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: so close to both Eddie and Chris, and it was like, so, 449 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,520 Speaker 3: you know, who who who do you think we should 450 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 3: have in this? And then you know, Chava was like 451 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 3: gotta have Dean, gotta have Jericho, you know, da da 452 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 3: da da, And and then it was also like, knowing 453 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 3: Chris Jericho who did a podcast with Sandra a few 454 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 3: years ago, it was like, well, we definitely need to 455 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 3: have Sandra to represent Nancy's voice in the in the show. 456 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 3: And just yeah, just kind of piecing it together through 457 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 3: you know, research and just kind of what makes sense. 458 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 3: But sometimes you get into situations where, you know, like 459 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 3: with with the New Jack episode, it was like, okay, 460 00:22:53,920 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 3: we could pick like any E c W guy to 461 00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 3: help bolster New Jack's easy story, you know, and that 462 00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 3: just came down to personal preference. Like I was a 463 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: huge Sandman fan growing up as a kid. He was 464 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: like my favorite. 465 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: We all were Sandman fans growing up. 466 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean he was like no, but I 467 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:14,159 Speaker 3: mean for real, like he was like my Steve Austin 468 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: like growing up Like for some reason, I connected with 469 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:18,639 Speaker 3: the Sandman so much and like wanted to grow up 470 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 3: like a dirt bag like him, like in a huge way, 471 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: like you know, and uh, and so it was just like, oh, 472 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: we're doing an ECW thing, get the Sandman, and and 473 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 3: he was like the only person I've ever asked for 474 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: a picture of, I think on this on this journey. 475 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 3: That's That's kind of. 476 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: One of those things like with us being in this industry, 477 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 1: it's like you meet the person that you really want 478 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: to phuddo with and you're just stunned that it's actually happening. 479 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: And then you're like, uh, yes, sir, hey, yeah kind 480 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: of thing. 481 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:48,719 Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. 482 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: So what do you think? I guess has kind of 483 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,159 Speaker 1: been the most difficult thing about the show so far 484 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: in your opinion, the. 485 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: Most difficult part about the show honestly is getting getting 486 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 3: access to subjects, getting getting everyone on board locked in 487 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:13,480 Speaker 3: scheduled you know, and uh, and yeah, that that's always 488 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 3: the most it's always the hardest part. Especially, I have 489 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 3: to say sometimes family members can be more can be 490 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 3: more difficult. Not all the time, but you know, a 491 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,119 Speaker 3: lot of the family members that we talked to on 492 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,080 Speaker 3: the show have never been on camera before. They've never 493 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 3: been on a TV show before. So it's a very 494 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 3: daunting thing to get a call out of the blue 495 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,120 Speaker 3: and be like, hey, you know not I mean, nine 496 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 3: times out of ten, unfortunately, it's probably a call like, hey, 497 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 3: you know someone that you were close to passed away 498 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 3: and we want to do a show about them. Do 499 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,399 Speaker 3: you want to be on it? And there's you know, 500 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: so it's a very heavy experience for them and it 501 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 3: takes We do like to take the time to foster 502 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 3: a relationship with them if we can, and and sometimes 503 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:57,440 Speaker 3: it's successful and sometimes it's not. And we've had instances 504 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,919 Speaker 3: where it's not been And that always is the hardest 505 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 3: aspect of just putting the show together. Any other aspect. 506 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 3: It's it's we can usually control, you know, making doing 507 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 3: the re enactments, doing the putting the editing together and 508 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 3: the music or whatever it is. You know, we can 509 00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 3: control that stuff, but getting the people who were close 510 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:15,600 Speaker 3: to these stories? Is it can be tough? 511 00:25:16,280 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 5: Was season two a little bit easier after season one 512 00:25:19,359 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 5: was kind of a hit or were they both just 513 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 5: equally difficult. 514 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 3: Maybe a little difficult for different reasons. But season two 515 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 3: was easier to get people on board. I think because 516 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,359 Speaker 3: we had things we could point to, because season one 517 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,360 Speaker 3: we didn't have any like finished product that we could 518 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 3: really point to or anything. There was no name. The 519 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 3: show didn't even have a name during season one production. 520 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:42,960 Speaker 3: We had no name for it. We didn't know what 521 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 3: to call it, and and so we didn't have anything 522 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 3: to really point to. So that was harder for sure. 523 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:53,240 Speaker 3: But in season two, you know, most wrestlers had heard 524 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 3: of it, not all of them, and so that was 525 00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 3: a little bit easier in some ways. But again, you know, 526 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 3: family members again haven't heard the show. 527 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,879 Speaker 5: Is usually right, Well, obviously you know we're big fans. 528 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 5: We're keeping our fingers crossed for season three. Do you 529 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 5: already have some stories picked out, like what if if 530 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 5: you get the green light, like okay, we got to 531 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 5: do these, or do you just have like a running 532 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 5: list of like Okay, I'm gonna do these as long 533 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 5: as we go. If it's one more season five whatever, 534 00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,920 Speaker 5: Like what's the process on the stories? 535 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, there's definitely, you know, a giant list of 536 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 3: stories that we've gone back and forth on many many times. 537 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: There's there are stories that you know, we know that 538 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 3: or we've tried to gain access to and been unsuccessful, 539 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,040 Speaker 3: that are kind of just on the on the on 540 00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 3: the side in case, you know, maybe things change, you 541 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,720 Speaker 3: never know. And then there's stories that just you know 542 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 3: would be great, but maybe they're too niche, like they're 543 00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:55,159 Speaker 3: too uh, they're not like or can you do them 544 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,639 Speaker 3: in an hour? Can can you get an hour of 545 00:26:56,680 --> 00:27:00,200 Speaker 3: television out of this story? And then there's like just 546 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,640 Speaker 3: people that we admire a lot, like the Road Warriors 547 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 3: that we would want to just do kind of more 548 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,280 Speaker 3: of a you know, love letter type piece, you know, 549 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: and like, you know, someone like Terry Funk comes to mind, 550 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,359 Speaker 3: like in that regard, you know, would be amazing one 551 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 3: of the other stories that we've put out there that 552 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,240 Speaker 3: you know, we always have maybe a few of the 553 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 3: like back burner stories because you never know, you know, 554 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 3: one you really want to do might just not work out. 555 00:27:30,760 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: And the owen Hard episode this year was kind of 556 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 3: that where we weren't sure, up until you know, towards 557 00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: the end of this production of shooting that we were 558 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,840 Speaker 3: going to go and do it, you know, so we 559 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 3: had some some backup ideas. And one of the backup 560 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 3: ideas that we had, which I still would love to 561 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 3: do if there ever is a season three, if they 562 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:55,040 Speaker 3: can somehow convince us to do it, would be this 563 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,680 Speaker 3: story of the w CW event that was in North Korea. 564 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 5: I think would be Oh, yeah, there was like two 565 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 5: hundred thousand people at that thing, something. 566 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 3: Crazy like that. Yeah, a lot of people went to 567 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:07,720 Speaker 3: the event, and there's there's some amazing stories, and I 568 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 3: think it's also a good catalyst to get into, uh 569 00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 3: talk about a Noki because A Noki was like an 570 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 3: ambassador to North Korea from Japan for so long, and 571 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 3: like the relationship that he has internationally and just the 572 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 3: influence and power that he has, and also just like 573 00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 3: putting on that event, like actually the biggest wrestling event 574 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 3: in the world is in North Korea. 575 00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, and he put that on as a political move too, 576 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:33,440 Speaker 5: so exactly. Yeah, So that's so funny you mentioned that. 577 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,720 Speaker 5: I was literally just reading about that the other day. 578 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 5: I think it was the twenty fifth anniversary like on Monday, 579 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 5: Like I think it really Yeah, wow, so that's that's weird. 580 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 5: If I'll throw something in the hat if if you, 581 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 5: I'm sure you'll take them. 582 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 583 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 5: The Dino Bravo story is wild. 584 00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 3: Well that's uh, we have that for season two. Oh 585 00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 3: is that on season two? How did I miss? How 586 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 3: did I miss that? I didn't know that that was 587 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 3: one of them. Yeah. We Uh it's a funny, well 588 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 3: not really a funny thing. But for the Dino bra story, 589 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 3: we actually started filming that for season one. We had 590 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 3: we were supposed to do eight episodes for season one, 591 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: and the network actually in the middle of production chopped 592 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 3: it down to six. So we had to actually put 593 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 3: all this footage that we had shot on the back burner. 594 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 3: And so then when season two came around, it was like, okay, 595 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,719 Speaker 3: well we have like half an episode that we can 596 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:28,200 Speaker 3: just finish, and so it's it's we're so glad that 597 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 3: we were able to do that because we had got 598 00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 3: access to the family and we had talked to his 599 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 3: family and and it was like it was kind of 600 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: heartbreaking to be able to tell them like, well it's 601 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 3: not coming out. So now that finally it's coming out 602 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 3: and it's I think it's right in the middle of 603 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: the of the run. 604 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 5: But ye, season, Well, that's that's a good one. I 605 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 5: don't think people realize how crazy, you know, his his 606 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 5: passing and stuff was. And oh yeah, because I don't 607 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 5: think they really they never really like found out what happened, right, 608 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 5: They just it was like an open, like a cold 609 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 5: case kind of a deal. 610 00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, definitely don't want to spoil anything for people, 611 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: but I but I can say the one fact about 612 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 3: it is that that's pretty wild is that the case 613 00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 3: is still open. It's still an open Case's so crazy. 614 00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 5: That was years ago. 615 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, so so we did our best, you know, with 616 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 3: with what we could find. 617 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,479 Speaker 5: But yeah, I guess there's limits on what you can 618 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 5: do if it's an open investigation. 619 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 3: Exactly. We got no cooperation from authorities or anything on it. 620 00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,160 Speaker 3: So but you know, there is some interesting things in 621 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:29,720 Speaker 3: there for sure. 622 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 5: Okay, Well that just made my day. I'm excited about 623 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 5: that one. 624 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean I'm just looking at the list 625 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 1: for the season. I mean, of course we got Crispin 626 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: wand Nuwjack owen Hart, David Schultz, Snooka Road Warriors, Dino Bravo, 627 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,640 Speaker 1: Herb Adams and The Bral for All, which happens next 628 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 1: Tuesday night on VIL. 629 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 5: I'm really hyped for that one. 630 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,360 Speaker 3: The Bral for All was the other episode that we 631 00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 3: started last during the first season, and it's funny because 632 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 3: that one we we started as kind of like, Okay, 633 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 3: we wanted to do something lighter. Let's do something lighter where, 634 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:08,680 Speaker 3: you know, like a wrestler doesn't die in the end 635 00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:11,680 Speaker 3: of the story. You know, let's do something a little lighter. 636 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: And then of course it just you just find out, man, 637 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 3: this is a dark story too, and I think it's 638 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:20,480 Speaker 3: gonna be interesting for people to see next week, to 639 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 3: maybe get a new perspective on it, for the people 640 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 3: to have heard of the story before and actually remember 641 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: I remember it when it happened on TV. Oh, totally, 642 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 3: totally was Yeah, I was. 643 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: I was trying to figure out what it was on 644 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: TV when I saw it, and I was like, is 645 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: this like UFC kind of thing? Is it just throw 646 00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: the boxing gloves and go at it? 647 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 5: Well, it's funny because you know a lot of people 648 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 5: will criticize them. When I say a lot of people, 649 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 5: I mean me criticize the current WW product. Yeah, I 650 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 5: mean that was that happened in like ninety nine and 651 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:53,320 Speaker 5: two thousand. I mean they were doing bad ideas then, 652 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 5: you know, in the height of the attitude are. 653 00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: You know, definitely definitely has a lot of bad ideas. Yeah, 654 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:04,480 Speaker 3: but yeah, but yeah, no, it is a dark story 655 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:10,680 Speaker 3: and I think that it also you know, we touch 656 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 3: on a lot of themes that our show examines, which is, 657 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 3: you know, what happens you know when you you know 658 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:19,200 Speaker 3: how wrestling it really is. I guess stories in wrestling 659 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,960 Speaker 3: are always the most fascinating when when they blur the 660 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 3: lines between reality and fiction, and this story is definitely 661 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 3: an example of that. And the other thing about it 662 00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 3: too is there is a real kind of underdog heroes 663 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 3: journey story with Bart Gunn. And it's also just trippy 664 00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:38,360 Speaker 3: that you know, in twenty twenty you're gonna get to 665 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 3: see a documentary about Bart Gunn obstensibly right TV. Yeah, 666 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 3: so it's pretty cool. 667 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: So one really cool thing as well as not only 668 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 1: getting a season two, but you've also got a new 669 00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: project you're working on and I saw now you have 670 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,440 Speaker 1: a podcast called Dark Side of the podcast. Is this 671 00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of giving us more stories and what could be 672 00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: told on TV or tell us about this podcast. 673 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, so it just kind of came out of the blue. 674 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 3: You know, obviously we're all in quarantine now and the 675 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 3: world is crazy. But yeah, so we we've known non 676 00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:14,200 Speaker 3: Read for a while, you know, way back in the 677 00:33:14,280 --> 00:33:18,160 Speaker 3: pilot Dark Side the Ring Days, and were just like, hey, 678 00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 3: should we just do like a podcast we can tell 679 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 3: some stories and stuff, and he was like sure, So 680 00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: we've been We just recorded our second episode with him 681 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 3: this morning, which just went up this afternoon. It's just 682 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,880 Speaker 3: an opportunity for us to kind of like tell the 683 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 3: stories that there are a lot of wild stories that 684 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 3: happened on the making of this show in terms of 685 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 3: anytime you're involved in the rabbit hole of wrestling, there's 686 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,480 Speaker 3: gonna be bizarre stories and big characters. And also it's 687 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 3: just like the New Jack episode especially, was one of 688 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 3: the more wilder experiences we had. And it also gives 689 00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 3: us the opportunity to tell things that just didn't make 690 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 3: it in the show, or stories of like people we 691 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:58,560 Speaker 3: tried to get in the show but couldn't get or 692 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 3: how we got certain people in the show. And there's 693 00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,760 Speaker 3: definitely with some of the upcoming episodes, definitely like Jimmy 694 00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 3: Snook or Dino Bravo some of the more like information 695 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,839 Speaker 3: heavy stories. You know, we can only get so much 696 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,160 Speaker 3: in like to a forty four minute show that you know, 697 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,120 Speaker 3: there's just a lot more to talk about, and so 698 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 3: we wanted to kind of put together a platform to 699 00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:19,800 Speaker 3: do that. 700 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 1: Conrad is like a walking encyclopedia of all things wrestling. 701 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 1: Like he could just spout out the most randomist wrestling 702 00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,520 Speaker 1: fact and it's like the greatest thing in the world. 703 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:28,640 Speaker 5: Yeah, he's. 704 00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,520 Speaker 3: I definitely you know, when like Bruce Pritchard's podcast came 705 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 3: out and of course all the other ones he's done since, 706 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,040 Speaker 3: like that was definitely on my radar because you know 707 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,320 Speaker 3: when that had come out, and actually Bruce Pritchard's Houston 708 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,120 Speaker 3: Wrestling episode that they did on his podcast was was 709 00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,240 Speaker 3: the main reason why we decided to do an episode 710 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: on Gino Hernandez. So it's it's it's always kind of been, uh, 711 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,480 Speaker 3: you know, we've had a relationship with Conrad for a 712 00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 3: few years now, which has been cool. And we also 713 00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:02,680 Speaker 3: premiered Are the Bruiser Brodie episode at star Cast, the 714 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,479 Speaker 3: very first one, so it's cool. 715 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's I didn't catch all of it. I was 716 00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 5: at star Cast and I happened to kind of peep 717 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 5: in and see some of it, but I missed the beginning, 718 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 5: so I didn't watch it. But anyways, this is probably 719 00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,120 Speaker 5: you know, you probably won't be able to answer this, 720 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 5: but are there any plans to do like, you know, 721 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 5: I don't want to call it a spin off or anything, 722 00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,560 Speaker 5: but just maybe you know, maybe stories about people that 723 00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 5: aren't so dark, you know, like maybe just say like 724 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:34,080 Speaker 5: Big Van Invader not necessarily have maybe the most controversial stories, 725 00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,600 Speaker 5: but maybe there's just some things you could tell about, 726 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 5: like I don't I don't want to call it like 727 00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:39,400 Speaker 5: the bright side of the Ring, but you know, are 728 00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,680 Speaker 5: there anything are you are there any plans to do 729 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:44,560 Speaker 5: a wrestling you know, something about wrestling that's not quite 730 00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 5: so dark. 731 00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 3: I mean, it's definitely some things we've explored before. You know, 732 00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:58,279 Speaker 3: we've also explored the idea of wanting to do like 733 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 3: I'm obviously being wrestling fans to keep doing more wrestling things, 734 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 3: but we've also looked at the possibility of doing like 735 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,520 Speaker 3: like a scripted show, you know, based on wrestling, or 736 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 3: you know, something like that, you know, and and and 737 00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,479 Speaker 3: looking at it from different ways. I mean, we would 738 00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:17,839 Speaker 3: be open to do all sorts of stuff. I mean, 739 00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 3: it's it's it's it's interesting because going in with the show, 740 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:26,560 Speaker 3: originally it wasn't like let's just tell all these dark stories. 741 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 3: I mean, it was just we found that, you know, 742 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 3: the Bruise of Brodie story, the Van Eric story, you know, 743 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 3: those stories were just really fascinating, you know, and one 744 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 3: of a kind in this in the in this sport, 745 00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 3: you know, and then it just kind of became with 746 00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 3: with the name of the show and everything kind of 747 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: something we were kind of, well, this is I guess 748 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 3: the area that we're exploring. And uh, but you know, 749 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,359 Speaker 3: there are there are moments in the episode that aren't sorry, 750 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 3: in in season two, and I would argue the Montrelle 751 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,080 Speaker 3: screw job isn't necessarily like a super dark episode, but 752 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 3: in season two there are episodes like the David Schultz 753 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:08,920 Speaker 3: story is not really that dark of a story, and 754 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:12,600 Speaker 3: the Road Warriors, I mean he has moments and you know, 755 00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 3: stuff like that. But you know, there are there are 756 00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:17,839 Speaker 3: times when our show can explore other things that aren't 757 00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 3: just like tragedy, you know. And we tried to end 758 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,520 Speaker 3: the Brawl for all in some extent, and we tried 759 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 3: to explore those as much as possible. It just depends 760 00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 3: on what's just a really good story. 761 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,919 Speaker 5: I guess, Yeah, I guess Macho Man and Elizabeth wasn't 762 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 5: necessarily a tragedy per se. You know. Yeah, there were 763 00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:38,279 Speaker 5: some dark moments and stuff, but I guess the bulk 764 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,879 Speaker 5: of it wasn't too bad. So yeah, that makes sense. 765 00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: So where can people find you out online? Twitter? Instagram? 766 00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:47,960 Speaker 1: You know what's the best place for people to stay 767 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: up to date with you? 768 00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,959 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I am on Twitter and Instagram at Evan 769 00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,640 Speaker 3: Hustiny and then the show itself is at Dark Side 770 00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,719 Speaker 3: of Ring on Twitter and at Dark Side of the 771 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:04,240 Speaker 3: Ring on Instagram. And yeah, we're just always posting stuff. 772 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 3: I think once we finally deliver season all of season two, 773 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,080 Speaker 3: which hopefully should be in the next few weeks, we'll 774 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,520 Speaker 3: be able to, you know, hunker down and post some 775 00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:16,920 Speaker 3: more extra stuff and bonus stuff. But yeah, we've been 776 00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 3: just catching up with actually finishing the show, admitst everything 777 00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 3: that's going on. 778 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,239 Speaker 1: Like we've said numerous times during this interview, we are 779 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 1: super huge fans of the show. We cannot wait to 780 00:38:28,360 --> 00:38:31,280 Speaker 1: see the rest of the season and we are pulling 781 00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:32,440 Speaker 1: for a season three. 782 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 3: All right, well, thank you so much. I appreciate that. 783 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,600 Speaker 1: Thank you Evan for taking the time out and talking 784 00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 1: with us today. 785 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,279 Speaker 3: Absolutely, thank you. 786 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:43,600 Speaker 1: We hope you enjoyed today's episode of the Battleground Podcast. 787 00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,240 Speaker 1: Make sure you give it five stars and a nice review. 788 00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,799 Speaker 1: To stay up to date with the show, follow them 789 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: at Battleground Podcast on Instagram.