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Speaker 1: you all excuse me a minute, I need to make
Speaker 1: a phone call. Hey, Sophie. Yeah, So I'm here at
Speaker 1: the thing, you know, the award show for the sketchiest
Speaker 1: man in podcasting. Well, I'm wearing my award robe and
Speaker 1: I'm carrying my awards staff. But it's become clear to
Speaker 1: me that this is not, in fact an award. No,
Speaker 1: that's not what Sketch Fest means. Yeah, I know. I
Speaker 1: was shocked to learn it too. I think they're expecting
Speaker 1: me to perform an episode of Behind the Bastards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
Speaker 1: this is a real problem. This is a real problem. Thankfully,
Speaker 1: I keep next to my heart a podcast script for
Speaker 1: emergencies at all times, but we're gonna need a guest,
Speaker 1: and I just don't have anyone booked. Wait a second, Sophie,
Speaker 1: I'll talk to you later. Helloine, play along. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: have a I'm here at the Gateway Theater and we've
Speaker 1: had a horrible attack of airborne syphilis. Start moaning. Come on,
Speaker 1: give me, give me, give me some moans. Oh yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's bad. You need to get a doctor down here immediately.
Speaker 1: Can we get a doctor sent into the theater? Doctor
Speaker 1: kave Hoda, Thank you for coming on such short notice,
Speaker 1: Doctor Hoda. I heard there was an uncontrollable amount of
Speaker 1: syphilis here. That is the case, but we can ignore
Speaker 1: that the actual and I called nine one one was
Speaker 1: because I have a script and I need some help
Speaker 1: reading it. No, you view. I know it's not the
Speaker 1: first time, and it won't be the last that I
Speaker 1: use nine one one for my own purposes. But can
Speaker 1: I take this white coat off I haven't worn this night.
Speaker 1: It's actually quite hot up here. I'll keep the podcasting staff,
Speaker 1: I'll keep the podcasting picture out of the knife. Yeah
Speaker 1: you lend me. Yeah. Now I'm in my much more
Speaker 1: normal outfit of my shoot dope. Fuck the cops hoodie,
Speaker 1: which I own, mainly because wearing this hoodie through the
Speaker 1: TSA checkpoint is quite a bit of fun. You have,
Speaker 1: you have a different experience every time in every country. Kabe,
Speaker 1: how are you doing today? Man? I am so glad
Speaker 1: to be here. There's nobody and no crowd. I would
Speaker 1: rather get an airborne disease from than you. Oh no,
Speaker 1: this is of all the crowds to get an airborne
Speaker 1: disease from, this is in the top three or four. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that area over there is particularly questionable. Over there, I
Speaker 1: find them. They definitely have something, and it's okay because
Speaker 1: it's worth it. I think this is this is worth
Speaker 1: the risk speaking of people who probably have some sort
Speaker 1: of disease. Actually, you know, I say that I kind
Speaker 1: of brought you all here on false pretenses because normally
Speaker 1: this is a podcast about the very worst people in
Speaker 1: all of history. But every now and then we talk
Speaker 1: about a hero, and today we're talking about the man
Speaker 1: who might be my hero. Do you know who Brian
Speaker 1: Johnson is. Well, he might be better known by his
Speaker 1: other name, the Liver King. Oh that's oh yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1: We got a lot of videos. We got a lot
Speaker 1: of videos cued up for you. Motherfucker's so strapping. Okay, wait, wait,
Speaker 1: first of all, let me explain to the crowd who
Speaker 1: may not know me, even though I am the San
Speaker 1: Franciscan and you should fucking know me by now. But
Speaker 1: it is a small town. It is a small town.
Speaker 1: But I am a liver doctor. I am a jogist.
Speaker 1: So the fact that some guy had the gall to
Speaker 1: call himself the liver King when I was a fucking
Speaker 1: round is is apollo. It is. There's a lot that
Speaker 1: will be appalling about this episode, but we got to
Speaker 1: get into it because time is of the understand So.
Speaker 1: Brian Johnson, which is the Liver King's real name, was
Speaker 1: born on April seventh, nineteen seventy seven, in San Antonio, Texas.
Speaker 1: Probably basically all the information we have this guy on
Speaker 1: this guy about his early life comes from interviews that
Speaker 1: he gave or comments he made on various grindset influencer podcasts.
Speaker 1: He is a professional liar, so this should all be
Speaker 1: taken with a grain of salt. Now. Brian has claimed
Speaker 1: that his father died when he was young, which left
Speaker 1: him without strong male guidance for years and contributed to
Speaker 1: feelings of insecurity that were exacerbated by the bullying of
Speaker 1: other kids at his school. Yeah, that may or may
Speaker 1: not be true. There's some speculation and on Reddit that
Speaker 1: he had family money as the result of a furniture store,
Speaker 1: and there is a prominent Texas, Louisiana furniture chain named Johnson,
Speaker 1: but that's also a pretty common name. Yeah, he seems
Speaker 1: like he'd be involved with like wood. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like there's what he does. He does have the skin
Speaker 1: texture of a nice piece of cured oak. So Brian
Speaker 1: himself makes two claims about his childhood. The first is
Speaker 1: that he was bullied constantly. He describes his life as
Speaker 1: a kid as a living hell, adding I was the
Speaker 1: only one of my kind at my school. I think
Speaker 1: that means short person, which doesn't seem likely. I made
Speaker 1: matters to make matters worse for myself. I was undersized,
Speaker 1: I look funny. I did. I looked funny. I didn't
Speaker 1: have a single friend, and I had absolutely no concept
Speaker 1: of self worth with Chay, I got bullied too as
Speaker 1: a kid. That does sound rough. He got the you know,
Speaker 1: says that he got beat up a lot, but he
Speaker 1: also again, I don't know how much to believe this
Speaker 1: guy's claims. But the other thing that he claimed that
Speaker 1: he makes about his childhood is that he was an
Speaker 1: entrepreneur from a very young age. He recalls as one
Speaker 1: of his formative events going door to door to sell
Speaker 1: newspapers with his friends, with his friend Peter. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: quote from Brian here. I remember Peter's pitch. He would
Speaker 1: knock on the door and go, excuse me, ma'am. You're
Speaker 1: currently subscribed to the San Antonio Light. We would like
Speaker 1: for you to renew your subscription. All you have to
Speaker 1: do is pay for Sunday. They'd say, oh, hey, you've
Speaker 1: called me. This isn't going to work out. We're not
Speaker 1: going to renew. And Peter would say, ma'am, can we
Speaker 1: come in and get a glass of water? And you
Speaker 1: know then he'd say, ma'am, we're little kids. We're just
Speaker 1: trying to make a buck. Do you think you could
Speaker 1: help us out? And almost all of the time it
Speaker 1: worked out. So there you go. Yeah, from a start,
Speaker 1: can we stop for a second. That's a lot of
Speaker 1: paper in your hand. It is a lot of paper.
Speaker 1: Were doing all of that? No? No, I printed two
Speaker 1: copies in case I lost one. I drink very heavily
Speaker 1: at the airport. Oh my goodness, I got it because
Speaker 1: I fly. Yeah, yeah, you fly. I know. It's there's
Speaker 1: only one way to fly, and that's scammered. Yea yeah,
Speaker 1: so uh yeah. If Brian is a reliable source on
Speaker 1: his life and he is not, at some point in
Speaker 1: his adolescence he started lifting weights. He tells a few
Speaker 1: versions of this story, and one he was bullied, but
Speaker 1: the fact that he was bullied was a good thing.
Speaker 1: And this is something that he says because it acted
Speaker 1: as a catalyst that allowed him to impose his will,
Speaker 1: his words on his body by lifting weights. Um, which
Speaker 1: is an odd way to describe getting in shape. But
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, so he was a bully. Yeah.
Speaker 1: My guess is that maybe some of this was turned
Speaker 1: around in reality and he was like those other kids
Speaker 1: by bullying them. You're not going to feel less like
Speaker 1: that after this quote, because here's what he says about
Speaker 1: getting jacked as a teenager. That was my right of
Speaker 1: passage and it changed me and forged me into the
Speaker 1: evolutionary hunter, the unrelenting fighter, the serial ancestral entrepreneur that
Speaker 1: I am today. Because everyone knows the cavemen, the reason
Speaker 1: the Cavemen beat the Neanderthals as they were better at
Speaker 1: getting VC funding. Everyone in San Francisco knows that, yeah, obviously,
Speaker 1: so The other, more believable version of the story is
Speaker 1: that his mom started dating a guy who had a
Speaker 1: weight set and Brian started using it and got results.
Speaker 1: So this guy bought him a bench in some weights
Speaker 1: and that was it. Soon Brian was jacked, and he
Speaker 1: noticed that girls at school started paying more attention to
Speaker 1: him instead of making fun of him, other boys were jealous.
Speaker 1: The defining moment of his adolescence bear with me here,
Speaker 1: was when one of his friends compared him to Mark Wahlberg,
Speaker 1: a statement that he says, probably changed my life forever.
Speaker 1: And wow, yeah, you shouldn't want to be compared to Mark. No. Look,
Speaker 1: I'm very pro people, you know, getting bit if that's
Speaker 1: what they want to do. But don't don't be like
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg. Nobody needs Mark Wahlberg. Should be less like
Speaker 1: Mark Wahlberg. We have one photo from him of him
Speaker 1: from his late teens or early twenties, and he is
Speaker 1: indeed quite swollen. The photo shows him standing beside a
Speaker 1: swimming pool of what I guess is a fairly large
Speaker 1: house in the North Texas suburbs. Savor this last photo
Speaker 1: of him, Well, that's an likely he's in good shape,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't look That's not like a guy who's
Speaker 1: on the shitload of gear or anything. He's not. He's
Speaker 1: clearly has no like hair on his body, which I
Speaker 1: find Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that is a little
Speaker 1: bit odd. But I grew up in Texas too, I
Speaker 1: get it. You gotta do what you gotta do to
Speaker 1: stay cool down there. Okay, So but that's you know,
Speaker 1: he's in very good shape, but he's a pretty normal
Speaker 1: looking person. I would say, like obviously extremely fit, but
Speaker 1: not as he will become someone who was very clearly
Speaker 1: putting a car worth of steroids into his body every
Speaker 1: single month. So after he got swoll, Brian started taking
Speaker 1: school more seriously. He got into Texas Tech, a pretty
Speaker 1: good school where he got pretty good grades. He got
Speaker 1: a degree in biochemistry, or, as he said it in
Speaker 1: another interview, a degree in biology and chemistry. I think
Speaker 1: it is a biokimbs. So he got his bachelor's. He
Speaker 1: said he was gunning for a medical degree at some point,
Speaker 1: and in one interview with BuzzFeed, he claimed that he
Speaker 1: got into a medical school but dropped out during orientation. No, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's not a thing. That's this is journalism. We're doing
Speaker 1: research live. You don't do that. I mean you drop
Speaker 1: out later, but you don't drop out during orientation. You
Speaker 1: stick around and you have the parties, and you go
Speaker 1: through the whole thing, and you tell undergrads I'm in
Speaker 1: medical school. And then later you drop out. But you
Speaker 1: don't like to do it during orientation. That's well a
Speaker 1: ways a serial liar. Um, and he does. He claims that.
Speaker 1: So at age twenty one, he says he started working
Speaker 1: for the pharmaceutical industry as a sales rep. He says
Speaker 1: they scouted him. Um, this is all questionable. Um, I
Speaker 1: don't know, but you know, he says his career as
Speaker 1: a pharmaceutical sales rep quickly led to a lucrative six
Speaker 1: figure salary, which is possible. And if it's possible, there's
Speaker 1: only one product. I think he was probably pushing in
Speaker 1: those years. Given the time. For sure, this guy was
Speaker 1: selling pills. Oh dick pills. I was gonna say opiates.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, No, for sure he did that too. Yep, yeah, yep, yep, yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: we can I ask you a question, real quick episode,
Speaker 1: So he came from would you say modest means or
Speaker 1: would you say I think he came from like an
Speaker 1: upper middle class to like rich background, but it is unclear. Okay,
Speaker 1: just real early photos of him, like wait, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: hold on, there's a bingo? Did you? Did? You? Guys
Speaker 1: bring your card? Unbelievable slackers, weak fans. The liver King
Speaker 1: would never hold on a second, someone born on third
Speaker 1: pretending their self made. Sorry, I'm just checking that off
Speaker 1: right now because I feel like that one, it's gonna
Speaker 1: go down. Yeah. Having come from a similar area to
Speaker 1: where this photo was taken, that's not a tiny house
Speaker 1: back yard, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, sorry, those are
Speaker 1: more common in Texas. But yeah, I'm gonna guess up
Speaker 1: for medal class at least um. So Brian meets Barbara,
Speaker 1: his future wife, in two thousand and four, maybe he's
Speaker 1: gonna lie a lot about the year two thousand and four,
Speaker 1: So keep that in your head now. He says he
Speaker 1: was a pretty aimless guy at this point. He was
Speaker 1: snowballing and surfing and by his own admission, refusing to
Speaker 1: flush toilets in public restrooms. I don't know why he
Speaker 1: gives that detail. I don't know why he gives that detail,
Speaker 1: but he does because there's a drought. Because he was
Speaker 1: ever acted as if there's a drought. That is not
Speaker 1: something we do that. I can remember the last summer
Speaker 1: I was there, it didn't rain for eighty days and
Speaker 1: had like more than one hundred and fifteen degree temperatures
Speaker 1: for each of those days, and everyone's lawn was green.
Speaker 1: Some of them were on fire, but they were green. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: he meets this He meets this broad Barbara in maybe
Speaker 1: around two thousand and four, and he says that this
Speaker 1: is what convinced him to get more serious about his life.
Speaker 1: And I do think she had an influence on him.
Speaker 1: Most sources will note that she was a dentist, which
Speaker 1: is kind of true, but not all the way true,
Speaker 1: because what she actually is is a holistic dentist. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the good stuff. Everybody's tasting that, getting that flavor in.
Speaker 1: Huh Yeah. Yeah. So they open a practice together. He's
Speaker 1: her business manager and she handled the dentistry. Now, Cobb, it,
Speaker 1: I know what you're wondering right now. What is a
Speaker 1: holistic dentist? Yeah? I absolutely am It means treating your
Speaker 1: patient's teeth and gums with a whole body approach, viewing
Speaker 1: their overall physical and psychological state, rather than just keeping
Speaker 1: your eyes on their mouth. Now, that could be a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it might be a thing. There's stuff where like tooth
Speaker 1: pain like can be a sign of a heart attack
Speaker 1: or something. It can be referred right, like, that's a thing.
Speaker 1: I learned that on Frasier. Are you gonna tell me
Speaker 1: that that? Niles Crane Like, to me, you're thinking like
Speaker 1: left arm pain not usually is like cavity like not what?
Speaker 1: That's not what? Season five A Frasier said, Well, I
Speaker 1: mean I'm not going to go against Freck and Frasier
Speaker 1: fucking guys. So this this might make casual sense, um,
Speaker 1: but no, a holistic dentistry is more or less nonsense.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing. A holistic dentist is not an
Speaker 1: actual professional medical term. It is a term any dentists
Speaker 1: can choose to call themselves without any additional formal training.
Speaker 1: Most holistic dentists suppose the use of fluoridated toothpaste, which
Speaker 1: is dumb and unscientific. They also have a tendency to
Speaker 1: urge patients to replace cavity fillings made with amalgam on
Speaker 1: the logic that that contains mercury and is unhealthy. Now,
Speaker 1: amalgam has been replaced by a lot of dentists with
Speaker 1: better options, but all dentists will agree that if you
Speaker 1: have perfectly good fillings, it is an ethical for someone
Speaker 1: to tell you to take those out and put in
Speaker 1: new ones for no reason, which is what holistic dentists
Speaker 1: do a lot. It's not great. Now. More fucked up
Speaker 1: is the fact that holistic dentists tend to obsess over
Speaker 1: stuff like detoxification, which is not a thing, and urge
Speaker 1: their patients to take up weird, bespoke diets to fix
Speaker 1: their teeth. Traditionally, vegan diets were advised, which is at
Speaker 1: least probably not unhealthy. You can have a perfectly healthy
Speaker 1: vegan diet, but nowadays a lot of them have gone
Speaker 1: for the carnivore diet, which is a little bit more problematic.
Speaker 1: Let me just real quick, hold on, I wasn't expecting
Speaker 1: to get to this so early in the episode. Okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: what are we hitting? Unqualified medical advice and I I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna just get this one out of the way now.
Speaker 1: Makes cove sad. Yeah. Oh, this next one's gonna make
Speaker 1: you a lot sadder, because I want to quote from
Speaker 1: an article on holistic dentistry by McGill University. You guys
Speaker 1: might remember from the CIA episodes. Um, that's exactly right,
Speaker 1: that's where all those horrible experiments were held. Good here,
Speaker 1: whoever that was, you're you're jetting this if we're hitting
Speaker 1: them all today. Baby, These practitioners don't believe in doing
Speaker 1: root canals, alleging serious health risk by sealing bacteria at
Speaker 1: root end while opting for ineffective therapy or extraction. Some
Speaker 1: recommend removing perfectly functional, asymptomatic teeth with root canals and
Speaker 1: replacing them with more biocompatible and costly implants. No, that's problematic. Now.
Speaker 1: I don't know precisely what kind of wushit Barbara got into,
Speaker 1: but based on the information we have, I kind of
Speaker 1: suspect that Brian's interest in alternative medicine starts when they
Speaker 1: get married, because she is professionally into it, and he's
Speaker 1: going to get increasingly into it as he grows older. Now,
Speaker 1: about five years in Brian and Barbara owned the building
Speaker 1: that their practice was in and they were making, by
Speaker 1: Brian's claims, about five million a year in revenue from
Speaker 1: this and a couple of other businesses that Brian had started.
Speaker 1: We don't know what all of those businesses were, but
Speaker 1: by the late oughts he had started selling nutritional supplements.
Speaker 1: Now that's an industry that never causes bastards, right, the
Speaker 1: supplement industry. It's well regulated, it's not entirely a con
Speaker 1: run by the State of Utah. It's all good stuff. Sarcasm,
Speaker 1: that sarcasm. I know. Brian's primary business was ancestral supplements,
Speaker 1: and it seems to have started in twenty sixteen, although
Speaker 1: the first way back machine capture of it's in twenty
Speaker 1: seventeen and lensk There we go, can we get that
Speaker 1: picture up? There we go? So this is what they're selling.
Speaker 1: These are pills of grass fed beef organs now from
Speaker 1: New Zealand. Well, of course, the best cows come from
Speaker 1: New Zealand, and the best organs come from the best cows.
Speaker 1: And the best way to eat organs is in a pill.
Speaker 1: That's how I eat my organs. So this product was
Speaker 1: built as a way to get the massive health benefits
Speaker 1: of eating organ meat without showing down on all of
Speaker 1: those pesky organs. Here is how the website described the
Speaker 1: benefits of eating organs. Traditional people's, Native Americans and early
Speaker 1: ancestral healers knew that eating the organs from a healthy
Speaker 1: animal would strengthen and support the health of the corresponding
Speaker 1: organ of the individual. For instance, the traditional way of
Speaker 1: treating a person with a weak heart was to feed
Speaker 1: the person the heart of a healthy animal. Similarly, eating
Speaker 1: the kidneys of a healthy animal was believed to support
Speaker 1: urine ailments and overall kidney health. Pancreas was fed to
Speaker 1: people with digestive problems, and spleen was fed to people
Speaker 1: with immune and blood deficiencies. What so, people, how many
Speaker 1: organs should I be eating every day? Is my question?
Speaker 1: This is where I'm gonna for a moment, if I
Speaker 1: could have a real moment with you, for a little
Speaker 1: education on something. Whenever you hear a medical type thing,
Speaker 1: whether it's like Gwyneth Paltrow or the Liver King, and
Speaker 1: they use the words ancestral or ancient and they're trying
Speaker 1: to sell you something, it is automatically known to be bullshit.
Speaker 1: It is like the top tower Tower isn't ancestral. It
Speaker 1: is not ancestral. It's not it's not. I mean, that
Speaker 1: is a selling point that drives me fucking crazy every
Speaker 1: time I hear it. Yeah, the reality like organ meets
Speaker 1: have a lot of valuable nutrients send them um, But
Speaker 1: also eating a ton of meat has a lot of
Speaker 1: health consequences to you as well. That's correct. Yeah, in like, well,
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're going to get into this. Yeah, fucking
Speaker 1: ad nauseum. But like, well, all meat diet is not
Speaker 1: what I would have amend you say that. But I
Speaker 1: have a quote here about how all of this nourishing
Speaker 1: tradition is backed by science. And this is a very
Speaker 1: science e quote. Radioisotopic labeling studies and animals have shown
Speaker 1: conclusively that when eaton organs and glands selectively travel to
Speaker 1: the corresponding organs and glands and high concentrations now covet.
Speaker 1: This research done at the University of Scotland and Edinburgh,
Speaker 1: lends credence to the ancient practice of eating animal organs
Speaker 1: to help ensure health and once corresponding organs. And that's
Speaker 1: from doctor Ron Schmidt. Indeed, never heard of him. It's
Speaker 1: absolute horror. Do not know what an India is like,
Speaker 1: I've heard of it and you're making me so sad, yeah,
Speaker 1: so angry, and it's just you know, I swear it's
Speaker 1: not all I mean. I could have made so much
Speaker 1: more money. You could. You could have made a lot
Speaker 1: more We both could have made a lot more money.
Speaker 1: My retirement plan is to just say I've been canceled
Speaker 1: and start working for I don't know, Stephen Crowder or somebody. So,
Speaker 1: um comment, would it help you out to know that
Speaker 1: doctor Ron Schmidt was a natural path and militant raw
Speaker 1: milk activists. I found his obituary from twenty seventeen and
Speaker 1: it notes he covered in depth the difficult history of
Speaker 1: raw milk in the US, arguing that even though raw
Speaker 1: milk was responsible for many illnesses during the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: and early nineteen hundreds, it was also unfairly savaged by
Speaker 1: the emerging pasteurized milk industry. To eliminate raw milk is
Speaker 1: a competitive threat. Ye. Look, yes, thousands of babies shot
Speaker 1: themselves to death, but but what about the pasteurized milk industry?
Speaker 1: What about big milk? So the first version of the
Speaker 1: ancestral Supplement's website doesn't make a huge deal about liver,
Speaker 1: but it does call it the body super food and
Speaker 1: Nature's this is funny only meaningful source of vitamin A.
Speaker 1: You can't get it anywhere else if you're not eating liver. Now, Tomatoes,
Speaker 1: kail eggs, cantle, open fish oils, that's all have a
Speaker 1: lot of vitamin A in them. Carrots have betakerotene, which
Speaker 1: is which is a precursor to vitamin A. More to
Speaker 1: the point, vitamin A deficiency is a serious health condition,
Speaker 1: but it pretty much doesn't exist in the United States
Speaker 1: outside of weirdos who have weird diets. Um not all
Speaker 1: weirds some people. Obviously there's actual health conditions, but it's
Speaker 1: extremely important. It's more of a thing in like parts
Speaker 1: of the world that have less access to a good
Speaker 1: food supply and people are like legitimately starving. I don't
Speaker 1: like it when you know medicine like that. Well, I know,
Speaker 1: I know lots of medicine. I feel uncomfortable when you're
Speaker 1: like right about I'm I'm I'm stuff. I'm an expert
Speaker 1: on all sorts of medicine. Stuff I hate too hates sorry.
Speaker 1: I am a reverend doctor Jersey, I am an actual
Speaker 1: doctor who is or why Universal Life Church I am
Speaker 1: a reverend doctor. This guy is it's a fucking podcaster. Well,
Speaker 1: I will just say, have Coves sign an autograph for
Speaker 1: you after the show, and then just write vicot and
Speaker 1: on that fucker and you're good to go. He found
Speaker 1: the loophole. That's probably how it works, right yeah. Um anyway,
Speaker 1: so uh yeah, Obviously vitamin a efficiency is serious when
Speaker 1: it exists, but it basically doesn't exist in the United States.
Speaker 1: That said, eating too much vitamin a can cause horrible
Speaker 1: health problems. This is almost impossible to do if you
Speaker 1: are a person who eats a diet that is vaguely
Speaker 1: recognizable as a normal diet. Um. Again, if you're getting
Speaker 1: your vitamin a the place most people get it from
Speaker 1: fruits and vegetables and like eggs and stuff, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna get too much vitamina him in a like. Overdoses
Speaker 1: occur exclusively in people who take too many supplements, and
Speaker 1: symptoms can include migraines, blurred vision, nausea, dizziness, and a
Speaker 1: lack of coordination because your nervous system starts to kill itself. Ish,
Speaker 1: that's broadly accurate. That's a board question. Good. So, despite
Speaker 1: all this, Brian's business was a huge success. He entered
Speaker 1: the supplement game just at the height of Alex Jones's business,
Speaker 1: and he seems to have taken some moods. Sorry, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Like I said, we're hitting them all. Baby.
Speaker 1: I don't want him to see, but you guys can
Speaker 1: see it. I don't know if you guys can see.
Speaker 1: And for people listening at home, I'm sorry. You know what,
Speaker 1: I also want to stay. You know, normally we'll be
Speaker 1: obviously putting this up on the podcast feed. Normally we
Speaker 1: do ad breaks, and this is where the ad break
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Speaker 1: on every street you walk back. That's what he does.
Speaker 1: You can theoretically do with a flipper zero. That's what
Speaker 1: he uses it for. Fuck with my car. People have
Speaker 1: also figured out how to use him to shut off
Speaker 1: those robot dogs. So they're pretty cool and they're not
Speaker 1: going to be legal forever. Pick one up if you can.
Speaker 1: Back to the show. So Brian's business is a huge hit.
Speaker 1: And yeah, one of the key things about if you're
Speaker 1: selling these kind of health products is you have to
Speaker 1: either terrify people into believing that your products are the
Speaker 1: only thing that will stop their body from falling apart,
Speaker 1: or you have to convince them that you alone can
Speaker 1: give them the body of their dreams. Now, Brian knew
Speaker 1: that if he wanted to take his business to the
Speaker 1: next level, he was going to have to do one
Speaker 1: of these things, so he decided to do both. In
Speaker 1: early twenty twenty one thereabouts, Brian contacted one DS Collective,
Speaker 1: which is a social media marketing firm for influencers. Now,
Speaker 1: because these are some of the worst people on planet Earth.
Speaker 1: They describe their business as quote a collective of global
Speaker 1: creatives who specialize in social snackable media. Does anyone else
Speaker 1: get like a visceral gut reaction when you hear snackable media?
Speaker 1: It's unreal, Great folks, it was from this collaboration that
Speaker 1: the idea of the liver would be born. One BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: article explains, he approached us because he wanted guidance, said
Speaker 1: Sam Parham, a director at influencer marketing and management agency
Speaker 1: one DS Collective, which specializes in video production and brand
Speaker 1: management for social media. One DS began filming the brand
Speaker 1: of liver King, creating short form video content to capture
Speaker 1: Johnson's extreme lifestyle. Johnson and DS have maintained that their
Speaker 1: primary goal in building a liver King social media brand
Speaker 1: was to spread the ancestral message rather than to sell
Speaker 1: Johnson's products. One DS called Johnson the leader of the
Speaker 1: ship and solely responsible for his likeness in brand, which
Speaker 1: is a good legal idea. Now, the ancestral message here
Speaker 1: was that people needed to eat hoof to tail. This
Speaker 1: is fine, like look I raise in slaughter livestock. If
Speaker 1: you're going to be doing that, you should, in fact
Speaker 1: use every single part of that animal. That's a fine
Speaker 1: idea in practice. But what Brian is doing is just
Speaker 1: trying to get people to buy supplements made from ground
Speaker 1: up organs. He bought cast off from cattle somewhere. The
Speaker 1: stroke of brilliance that one DS had was to convince
Speaker 1: people organ meat was good for them by having a
Speaker 1: massively jacked dude eat raw liver and guts on camera
Speaker 1: repeatedly and then credit that for his giant muscles. Now again,
Speaker 1: organ meats perfectly healthy. There's a lot of good reasons
Speaker 1: to eat it, but it doesn't work that. It doesn't
Speaker 1: just magically make you jack. There is nothing that is
Speaker 1: particularly healthy about it. Brian had up to this point
Speaker 1: built his physique the way most muscular men do. He
Speaker 1: had eaten huge amounts of way protein and lean meat
Speaker 1: while working out right and you know, careful about his diet,
Speaker 1: not drinking all that good stuff. But one DS decided
Speaker 1: if Brian, the thing to do was to have Brian
Speaker 1: chow down on raw organs, and that would make people
Speaker 1: want to copy him. Right, But eating raw organs sucks,
Speaker 1: So when they couldn't do that, then they would buy
Speaker 1: his supplements. That's the business plan, right. It is unclear
Speaker 1: who came up with the name liver King. There's evidence
Speaker 1: that Brian had used the name in emails for a
Speaker 1: couple of years, so probably him. But the folks at
Speaker 1: one DS figured out everything else, including naming his fandom
Speaker 1: before it existed, as this case study from their website
Speaker 1: makes clear. Can we get the next image? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah. Now, now I'm gonna point something out. If
Speaker 1: y'all aren't real steroid heads, what you got going on
Speaker 1: there in the belly region is what they call bubble gut,
Speaker 1: and it's a mix of taking human growth hormone with
Speaker 1: usually insulin. It's a thing bodybuilders do. It helps them
Speaker 1: like pump up and stuff. But it's not a thing
Speaker 1: that just happens normally. But those are not normal. If
Speaker 1: their abs look like they are smuggling Boa constrictors under
Speaker 1: their skin, what would you call those like areas right
Speaker 1: there on the exterior of his six packs? Well, those
Speaker 1: are normally your obliques. Okay, yeah, what else do people
Speaker 1: call those? Oh, on the other side of his abs? No,
Speaker 1: Like that area right there that deep area in which
Speaker 1: there could pool fluid, for example, what would you call that?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Comma, what come gutters? Thank you for
Speaker 1: fuck say? I can't believe it. I can't believe it.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. He wasn't a guy playing a guitar and
Speaker 1: a weird I only recognize cum gutters if they make
Speaker 1: me want to come. So that's obviously David Koresh. I'm
Speaker 1: going to tell you guys right now, I don't want
Speaker 1: you to look like that. I don't know. That's not normal.
Speaker 1: This is not anyway. Look, so I think it's interesting
Speaker 1: to look at the way they talk about this here,
Speaker 1: Like they name what he's going to call his fan
Speaker 1: base is primals, because he's doing this whole like back
Speaker 1: to nature, caveman eating things, So that's what he's going
Speaker 1: to call his people. The way in which this is
Speaker 1: all laid out, if you want to really lose your
Speaker 1: faith or just get angry at humanity, go to the
Speaker 1: one DS website and look at their whole plan for
Speaker 1: making the Liver King a brand phenomenon. Because we'll talk
Speaker 1: about this more, but part of what they're doing here
Speaker 1: is everybody's agreeing to make money by having this man
Speaker 1: destroy his heart, which is I don't feel that sympathetic
Speaker 1: for Brian, but that is what's happening here. So one
Speaker 1: DS does not rag about this on their website. But
Speaker 1: one of the things that Brian had to set up
Speaker 1: before he became the Liver King was a backstory as
Speaker 1: fraudulent as it was convincing to the kind of people
Speaker 1: who make healthcare decisions based on what a large man
Speaker 1: with a TikTok tells them. So he decided to do
Speaker 1: this by claiming his sons had suffered largely unspecified health problems.
Speaker 1: He claims that they started having allergies around two thousand
Speaker 1: and four. Now this is odd because his oldest son,
Speaker 1: Striker with a Why oh Jess, wait, Jess Waite, you
Speaker 1: haven't had heard a son's name yet. His oldest son's
Speaker 1: Striker is fifteen, and his youngest son, Rad is thirteen.
Speaker 1: He would only be better if one of his kids
Speaker 1: was named like Killer. Look, look, I gotta say it
Speaker 1: right now. This is San Francisco, so it's appropriate to
Speaker 1: do it. I am taking away Elon's Musk's worst at
Speaker 1: naming a baby trophy. I would rather have whatever we're
Speaker 1: fucking there we go, Oh, we're okay, we're on there too.
Speaker 1: I would rather be named whatever a weird equation his
Speaker 1: kid is named than Striker or rat unbelievable rad. So
Speaker 1: again he's lying about this because he says that, like
Speaker 1: they started having allergies when they were like in around
Speaker 1: two thousand and four Strikers fifteen. This would mean that like, uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: his oldest son wasn't. Yeah, None of the timeline actually
Speaker 1: like works out here, And the fact that he lies
Speaker 1: about the timeline is consistent with the fact that he
Speaker 1: lies about everything. He doesn't meet his wife until two
Speaker 1: thousand and four, so there's no way he would have
Speaker 1: had a kid old enough that he was noticing this
Speaker 1: problem anyway. As he claims, Striker spelled like the Armored
Speaker 1: Personnel Carrier had serious health problems as a young kid
Speaker 1: that Brian attributed to do you know what Panda's is?
Speaker 1: Pa n das? Oh boy, god damn, you're making me
Speaker 1: go way back into pediatrics. I don't. Yeah, it's this easily,
Speaker 1: remember it. We're going to try not to get too
Speaker 1: much into the weeds here. It is an ailment that
Speaker 1: may or may not exist a pediatric The symptoms definitely exist.
Speaker 1: There's a debate as to whether or not it should
Speaker 1: be categorized in the way that some people categorize it.
Speaker 1: A pediatrician first described PANDUS clinically in nineteen ninety eight,
Speaker 1: and it was an attempt to explain that there seems
Speaker 1: to be an association between strep throat OCD and tipped
Speaker 1: disorders like Tourette syndrome. Doctors have for a very long
Speaker 1: time recognized some connection between streptococcal infection and tremors or convulsions.
Speaker 1: This is what people Saint Vitus's dance was like. This
Speaker 1: is a thing that has been recognized for a while,
Speaker 1: and some parents notice it occurring alongside a rapid change
Speaker 1: in personality on behalf of the child. Doctors who are
Speaker 1: skeptical of PANDUS as a diagnosis will note that stuff
Speaker 1: like OCD can seem like it comes on suddenly and
Speaker 1: changes a kid's personality, and that since kids get strep
Speaker 1: throat like crazy, the fact that some of these kids
Speaker 1: have strep diagnoses recently doesn't mean there's a causitive relation.
Speaker 1: This is all heavily debated. I'm not taking aside on
Speaker 1: this one. Where Yeather, there's a legitimate debate. Here you
Speaker 1: can find science, scientists and doctors talking on both side
Speaker 1: of this. But the problem occurs because a group of
Speaker 1: activist parents have kind of latched onto pandas as a
Speaker 1: way to explain any behavior they find problematic in their
Speaker 1: kid in various naturopathic websites and discussion forums. The list
Speaker 1: of triggers for pandas has grown from STREPP, which is
Speaker 1: the thing that there's some evidence for, to lyme disease,
Speaker 1: mono and herpies. They've also added anorexia, autism, and ADHD
Speaker 1: to the list of illnesses it causes, and there's no
Speaker 1: scientific basis for this. These parents are well known for
Speaker 1: embracing bizarre cult remedies. Some of them give their kids
Speaker 1: uh rituximab, which is an immunosuppressant mostly used for cancer patients.
Speaker 1: And you probably shouldn't give your kid just because they
Speaker 1: have like a tick. The whole thing Togeah, probably shouldn't
Speaker 1: just be handing that to kids. This can kill children
Speaker 1: and has in the past. More often. The prescriptions are
Speaker 1: just ridiculous. One Oklahoma based company sells donkey milk as
Speaker 1: a PANDAS treat that makes sense, which is Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. Give your kids docky milk. That's that's
Speaker 1: all right. I mean that's like the least awful thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: probably not going to do any harm. Yeah, give him
Speaker 1: some docky milk, they'll be okay. So Brian claims that
Speaker 1: his son's pant strikers panda's eventually got so bad that
Speaker 1: he walked up to his dad with a baseball bat
Speaker 1: and said he wanted to bash his brains in rather
Speaker 1: than deal with intrusive thoughts. Now that like, that's a
Speaker 1: that's a serious thing. I have a loved one who
Speaker 1: has intrusive thoughts as a result of OCD, and this
Speaker 1: specific anecdote is the closest to a thing Brian has
Speaker 1: said that I believe like that is a thing that occurs.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that it's caused by pandas or whatever,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't mean that the rest of what he
Speaker 1: says is true, but that is a thing that happens
Speaker 1: in videos made since he became the liver King. Brian
Speaker 1: claims this is what prompted him to reevaluate everything he
Speaker 1: knew about nutrition. He was feeding his kids a normal
Speaker 1: American diet, but when he switched there in the family's
Speaker 1: diet to primal foods, most mostly a mix of raw
Speaker 1: organ's bone, marrow and maple syrup. All of there. Why
Speaker 1: that's not what are you guys ee? The maple serve
Speaker 1: helps to go down and this is where things get
Speaker 1: problematic for Brian. He says all of their health problems start,
Speaker 1: and his children started to have a personality, which is
Speaker 1: kind of an offensive way to refer to somebody who
Speaker 1: has OCD. Like now, this leaves us with one of
Speaker 1: two possibilities. The first is that Striker had an actual
Speaker 1: health problem and it's a little party. It's rough, it hurts.
Speaker 1: The first is that this kid had an actual serious
Speaker 1: health problem and that his dad is choosing to use
Speaker 1: it for propaganda, which is bad. The second is that
Speaker 1: he made all of this up um and that I
Speaker 1: don't know if that's worse. I guess it's better because
Speaker 1: the kid's not dealing with the thing, but also it's
Speaker 1: kind of worse morally, right if I don't know, I
Speaker 1: actually have no idea this. That's one for the philosophers. Um. So,
Speaker 1: if we assume Striker had to be at least eight
Speaker 1: or nine to express something like the complex emotion he
Speaker 1: expressed to his dad, and that anecdote. The earliest realistically
Speaker 1: this could have happened is twenty fourteen or fifteen. The
Speaker 1: last real thing Brian Johnson had to do after coming
Speaker 1: up with this probably lie about his children was the simplest,
Speaker 1: which was to get a gigantic barbarian warrior body. Now,
Speaker 1: as you guys saw, he's a pretty fit dude. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a swoll swoll fella right there. But normal
Speaker 1: guy muscular does not look impressive today in a world
Speaker 1: with you know, Wayne the Rock Johnson. Right. It is
Speaker 1: one of those if you want to look at how
Speaker 1: body image standards for male action stars and movies have changed,
Speaker 1: watch This is a problematic movie in a number of ways.
Speaker 1: But watch the second Indiana Jones movie if you look
Speaker 1: at them, if you listen to the behind the seats commentary,
Speaker 1: Harrison Ford spent months getting in shape for that and
Speaker 1: was like one of the swollest men, Hollywood, are you
Speaker 1: talking about the which one is the super racists? Super racist? Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a super racist one, okay, that is that
Speaker 1: is the one is supposed to be jacked in the
Speaker 1: Obviously he became the sex symbol for generations of men
Speaker 1: and women. Um, but today, if you were casting a
Speaker 1: guy with that body type in a Hollywood movie, he
Speaker 1: would be like the engineer. He'd be like the nerdy
Speaker 1: guy on the Comsuter seven times his body way, the
Speaker 1: old Superman was a guy who had like just basically
Speaker 1: kind of a barrel like body. Dude. Yeah, it's things
Speaker 1: have changed over time. We'll be talking about this more later.
Speaker 1: So Brian could not simply be a fit guy and
Speaker 1: tell people to eat raw organs. That's not going to work.
Speaker 1: So he starts using the millions of dollars. He has
Speaker 1: to find one of the many friendly steroid doctors who
Speaker 1: would prescribe him a dizzy and cocktail of peptides and hormones. Now,
Speaker 1: I want to note this is not an illegal process.
Speaker 1: He has a prescription for everything that he gets, and
Speaker 1: this is not a haphazard process. He's getting his blood tested,
Speaker 1: He's getting like all sorts of different constantly. He is
Speaker 1: paying millions of dollars over time for this. You don't
Speaker 1: get this without looking going through him. Yeah, Like there's
Speaker 1: a whole machine behind you get this ridiculous body. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and we know exactly what he took and did because
Speaker 1: he sent a list of his workout regimen, of his
Speaker 1: steroid regimen, and his blood tests to several experts he
Speaker 1: didn't wind up working with, and one of them later
Speaker 1: published it. Because if you're trying to okay, yeah, he's like,
Speaker 1: my kidney's all right, look at this? Are you okay
Speaker 1: with this? His problem was more than he didn't think
Speaker 1: he was big enough. That's great. Um. So obviously this
Speaker 1: is not a hipA violation because if you just email
Speaker 1: your steroid history to a dude with a bodybuilding YouTube,
Speaker 1: HIPPA does not cover that. The dude with the YouTube
Speaker 1: is well within his rights to post that shit. Um.
Speaker 1: Because of this, we know that the bill for his
Speaker 1: HGH alone was eleven thousand dollars a month. Now that's
Speaker 1: a lot of hghum. He spent about fifteen thousand dollars
Speaker 1: a month in total on his steroids preparing to become
Speaker 1: the Liver King. But when he and one DS finally
Speaker 1: revealed the Liver King to the world, my god, it
Speaker 1: was glorious and I want to roll a video for you,
Speaker 1: you beautiful people. When you realize that people are suffering
Speaker 1: and struggling and that there's a simple, elegant solution, a
Speaker 1: return to ancestral living. That's really why my purpose is
Speaker 1: now stop a hot job. There's this really simple way
Speaker 1: of living. It's ancestral living. It's the way that we've
Speaker 1: lived for millions of years. It's accessible, it's something you
Speaker 1: can literally do right now today, and you can have
Speaker 1: an impact in terms your life tomorrow. This is why
Speaker 1: my life's work is my mission, it is my purpose.
Speaker 1: It's putting back in what the modern world left up now.
Speaker 1: A lot of people don't know this, but in the
Speaker 1: ruins of go Begley Teppi, where some of the earliest
Speaker 1: human civilization was found, the largest building in the center
Speaker 1: of that town was a steroid factory. There's nothing more
Speaker 1: ancestral than spending fifteen thousand dollars a month on a
Speaker 1: mix of peptides and human growth hormone, just like our ancestors,
Speaker 1: Just like our ancestors. Did you know our ancestors looked
Speaker 1: nothing like that, right. They were thin, and they were frail,
Speaker 1: and they were sickly, and they were like lived to
Speaker 1: twenty This is like, this is you don't want to
Speaker 1: get what our ancestors have. You want what we have.
Speaker 1: Now you don't want what our ancestors have. It was bad,
Speaker 1: it was bad. I don't know. I want that one
Speaker 1: plant that the Romans had that like makes you not
Speaker 1: able to make babies that they then fucked to death.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, that's a thing Romans had access to,
Speaker 1: a perfect you'll know that. It's one of my favorite
Speaker 1: son just ru in this one island and if you
Speaker 1: eat it then you're not fertile temporarily. It was a
Speaker 1: perfect contraceptive and they fucked it to death. Who amazing
Speaker 1: shit this is. Yeah, it's good stuff. It's good stuff.
Speaker 1: I think it's a Finnel relative. Actually, um, don't quote
Speaker 1: me on that one though. So I know a lot
Speaker 1: of shit. I learned a lot of shit in medical school.
Speaker 1: I did not learn that. I did not learn that.
Speaker 1: That video does feature a man who was very obviously
Speaker 1: on a lot of steroids. Unlike a used car per
Speaker 1: month of a nice used car berk, you can be
Speaker 1: getting like a fucking Highlander with like eighty thousand miles
Speaker 1: on it every month for that much steroids. Specific I
Speaker 1: love that. I'm looking for a new pay anyway. Oh,
Speaker 1: I love that, But it doesn't do much to lay
Speaker 1: into the name liver King. Mostly At the start, Brian
Speaker 1: was posting workout videos and his ancestral tenants, which he
Speaker 1: claims are crucial lessons about health and wellness from ancient men.
Speaker 1: Most of them are like pretty reasonable, like it's good
Speaker 1: to walk around barefoot in the grass, it's nice to
Speaker 1: spend time with your family. There is a crazy one
Speaker 1: about how um electromagnetic waves from your WiFi are going
Speaker 1: to destroy you. We could get into that more. I
Speaker 1: think he legitimately believes it, so we won't harp on
Speaker 1: the matter. So, yeah, it's not fun. If he believes it,
Speaker 1: it's not as much fun. Yeah, so um he started.
Speaker 1: So it started out just kind of being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: here's his workouts. Here's him talking about like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: should spend time with your family, it's good to to
Speaker 1: to exercise. But then none of that stuff goes super viral,
Speaker 1: like he's not really making a big impact on social media,
Speaker 1: and then he starts posting his meals, which inevitably included
Speaker 1: weird things like raw testicles and ground up organs. Here's
Speaker 1: the very first food TikTok he puts out, Oh yeah
Speaker 1: for Tuesday dinner, we got ten ounces of fresh ground organs,
Speaker 1: liberal heart, pancras playing, and some muscle meat. We've got
Speaker 1: a couple ounces of some heart, some left over a beer,
Speaker 1: comports sausage, and a couple houses of raw testicle that
Speaker 1: consints when I'm having a dinner tonight. So I've I've
Speaker 1: watched a lot of the liver King, and the argument
Speaker 1: he will make is that if you're trying to support
Speaker 1: your testicles, vegetables won't do it because vegetables are not
Speaker 1: made of testicles. If you want to support your testicles,
Speaker 1: you have to eat testicles. It's all the only thing
Speaker 1: that will do. I mean, the math is pretty strong science.
Speaker 1: It's hard to deny. Yeah, so this stuff starts to
Speaker 1: get traction. But you will notice that, like that video,
Speaker 1: which is from September of twenty twenty one, that's weird,
Speaker 1: but that's not an abnormal quantity of food, especially not
Speaker 1: for a man of that size. That's a pretty normal
Speaker 1: sized meal, right. The people at one ds knew right away. Look,
Speaker 1: people like the raw organs, but just eating an amount
Speaker 1: of raw organs that's vaguely reasonable, that's not going to
Speaker 1: do it for us. So here's a video he posted
Speaker 1: nine months later. The summer of twenty twenty two, primal
Speaker 1: primal primals. What the day it has been? I can't
Speaker 1: wait to share all about it. This maybe perhaps the
Speaker 1: most important conversation that I ever have had. And it's
Speaker 1: named not after a day of the week, but it's
Speaker 1: something similar. But a king has got to eat. So
Speaker 1: you already know we're gonna start with liver, with breakfast, lunch,
Speaker 1: and dinner, because liver is king. We've got a couple
Speaker 1: of pieces of bone marrow right here. We're gonna scoop
Speaker 1: the puremeral right out of it. And look at these
Speaker 1: dino shanks. I said, look, look at these dino shanks.
Speaker 1: We got some bone marrow to brissoto at the bottom.
Speaker 1: And why would you the vegetable when you could get
Speaker 1: down and devour this testicle? And we've got some cards.
Speaker 1: Why would you eat a vegetable when you could devour
Speaker 1: these testicles? That's catchy? Wait, wait, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 1: Is he doing this because he knows nobody wants to
Speaker 1: eat balls and so they'll buy his pills? Or is like,
Speaker 1: first off, they can be okay if you cook him right.
Speaker 1: It could be a little bit like bacon. Rocky Mountains yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but that said, yes, the idea is that they will
Speaker 1: people will see his body and they'll see him eating
Speaker 1: this raw meat, and they'll probably try it and then
Speaker 1: be like, you know what sucks is eating huge quantities
Speaker 1: of raw organs. We'll take your pill. I'll take these pills, right,
Speaker 1: That is the business plan. Yeah, that's smart. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: people like share videos of him looking like a maniac
Speaker 1: eating all of this stuff. And from this video things
Speaker 1: start to get gradually more unhinged, which is probably this
Speaker 1: video of the liver King. I don't need you know what.
Speaker 1: I'm not even gonna describe it. Let's just play this
Speaker 1: motherfucker what liver King always earns what he eats. This
Speaker 1: is called earning it. Wait should I explain? Let him
Speaker 1: just take this one in right here, and this is
Speaker 1: a prime testicle. Wait for nah, let go, Hey, everybody,
Speaker 1: Robert here speaking from a couple of months after this
Speaker 1: was recorded in a live show. Obviously we didn't need
Speaker 1: to describe this, but I feel the need to describe
Speaker 1: the video to you listening at home. In the podcast version,
Speaker 1: it is video of the liver King sitting in like
Speaker 1: a pool tube type deal or a tire I think
Speaker 1: it is, and he's pulling his truck towards him. I
Speaker 1: think they've got it in neutrol. And he's got like
Speaker 1: a big rope pulling it towards him, and hanging underneath
Speaker 1: the truck is a set of what are technically truck nuts,
Speaker 1: but they're just the actual severed testicles of like a
Speaker 1: bowl or some other kind of large mammal. Now look
Speaker 1: on my bingo, on my bingo card, I just want
Speaker 1: to cross mix cove sad. Yeah again a couple of times,
Speaker 1: I just want to black it all out. Hold on
Speaker 1: sec I'm just gonna draw the whole thing in. I'm
Speaker 1: a fair man. That is legitimately funny. That's not a
Speaker 1: bad bit. I'm sorry, it's not. It's gross, Yes, unsettling,
Speaker 1: bad health advice, all of those things. Not a bad bit.
Speaker 1: Those are giant balls. They're very well, they're about normal.
Speaker 1: What were they. I mean, just a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: we slaughtered a black ram over in my place and
Speaker 1: it had testicles about that big. Yeah, they get huge.
Speaker 1: So if you've got like a steer, or you've got
Speaker 1: like a goat or a ram of any kind, all
Speaker 1: they are is a testicle delivery machine. So the balls
Speaker 1: are massive. You are a fascinating man like just you
Speaker 1: just can't not notice it. They got huge. Even my
Speaker 1: little sweet little baby pigmy or whatever miniature I don't
Speaker 1: know what would go little bitty guy, I forget the
Speaker 1: name of his species, but he has massive balls. He's
Speaker 1: like the size of a small dog. But his testicles
Speaker 1: are as big as a cat. Of cats, but a cat.
Speaker 1: Goats were domesticated in Iran. My goats are angoras from Ankawa. Fantastically, sorry, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's where the name Angora comes from. Is Ankawa is Iranian?
Speaker 1: In the audience, he proved with that, so that was
Speaker 1: a fun little derailment there. The liver king is almost
Speaker 1: as obsessed with testicles as he is with liver and yeah,
Speaker 1: actually I got to that about him fueling your balls,
Speaker 1: nonsense or not. His following exploded the more gross, weird
Speaker 1: raw organs he eats and the more off putting workouts
Speaker 1: he filmed himself doing his TikTok goes from basically nothing
Speaker 1: because he didn't have or yeah he didn't have one too,
Speaker 1: about four million followers in less than a year. His
Speaker 1: YouTube hits more than a quarter of a million subscribers,
Speaker 1: which is you know, okay, he had like a million
Speaker 1: and a half followers on Instagram and in no time
Speaker 1: at all, he's a bona fide et celebrity. That's about
Speaker 1: a combined sevenish million followers in the space of a year,
Speaker 1: which is pretty rare, very rarely does somebody get that
Speaker 1: big that quickly. He continued to involve the whole family
Speaker 1: in his videos, calling his wife Liver Queen and naming
Speaker 1: oh oh, oh, honey, You're gonna change your tune on
Speaker 1: that one in a second, because he calls Rat and
Speaker 1: Striker the Liver Boys. Not that's a lateral move from
Speaker 1: their original names, I will say that. Unfortunately, he also
Speaker 1: chose to have them style their hair like Hitler youth cadets,
Speaker 1: and he put them in Oh I'm sorry, hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, oh good, oh good, oh good, we got
Speaker 1: another one. I don't even know how to describe this
Speaker 1: video to you. I'm just going to have them play it.
Speaker 1: Probably want to know if the little boys, Well, here's
Speaker 1: your answer. Okay, hold on, hey everyone, Robert again, just
Speaker 1: gonna describe this video for you as well. We see
Speaker 1: the Liver King and the Liver queen walking towards their
Speaker 1: swimming pool in the heat of the day, where the
Speaker 1: liver boys have like a table thing floating over the
Speaker 1: pool filled with gigantic raw like probably twenty pounds worth
Speaker 1: of raw organs, and they're in the swimming pool in
Speaker 1: their swimming suits and nothing else, just like tearing into
Speaker 1: it with their teeth. It's profoundly unsettling. Hold on, that's
Speaker 1: gotta be child abuse legally, right, Like, thank you, deeply
Speaker 1: unsettling child abuse. Yeah, we are so close that game bingo,
Speaker 1: you can you can't. It's not good for you to
Speaker 1: eat raw organs that are sin He is in a
Speaker 1: swimming pool, it's got to be like a hundred and
Speaker 1: tin right now. It's that's not hygienic. It is not okay.
Speaker 1: And like the whole of this whole concept of like
Speaker 1: how he speaks, it sounds like he's struggling when he
Speaker 1: talks exhausting. Normally he's doing an Alex Jones and the
Speaker 1: same way that Alex Jones is doing a rush limball.
Speaker 1: It's actually kind of a there's a fascinating story there
Speaker 1: and how all of these accents have descended from the limball.
Speaker 1: That's like the original like right wing influencer, and they
Speaker 1: all just kind of yeah, amazing stuff. So he starts
Speaker 1: that video if you couldn't hear it, by promising to
Speaker 1: provide proof that his boys eat like the Liver King.
Speaker 1: But thanks to those leaked emails, we know that the
Speaker 1: Liver King himself did not actually eat that way. As
Speaker 1: part of the intake process with one of these consultants,
Speaker 1: he gave his schedule in diet, and it is certainly
Speaker 1: not like what most people eat as a diet, but
Speaker 1: it's also not particularly weird. Nearly all of the food
Speaker 1: he consumes comes in the form of protein shakes and yogurt,
Speaker 1: with some eggs and reasonable portions of cooked red meat.
Speaker 1: He does eat two to four ounces of raw liver
Speaker 1: per day and a dose of raw bone marrow every day,
Speaker 1: which is a little bit odd, but he claimed in
Speaker 1: his interviews with these influencers that he was eating a
Speaker 1: pound of raw liver every day, which is an amount
Speaker 1: that would make you sick. That's too much vitam and
Speaker 1: a it's bad for you. Do not eat a pound
Speaker 1: of raw liver. Don't eat two to three ounces of
Speaker 1: raw liver. Livers the lovely food to eat cooked. I
Speaker 1: study liver. I love liver as an organ. I would
Speaker 1: never eat anything close to that amount of love. That
Speaker 1: is a shame, because I did bring a pound of
Speaker 1: raw liver. So obviously the whole liver king persona is
Speaker 1: a lie. Um eating the way that this guy pretended
Speaker 1: he eats would if not kill you, seriously injure you.
Speaker 1: In a very short period of time. His entire persona
Speaker 1: was fake and a lot of people picked up on this,
Speaker 1: and from the jump there were people in his comments
Speaker 1: suggesting that he was obviously on gear right like he
Speaker 1: is on a hell of a lot of steroids. Here's
Speaker 1: just one video of him denying that he takes performance
Speaker 1: enhancing drugs or peeds on the I'm So sorry Barstool
Speaker 1: Sports podcast. Again, very sorry all these ridiculous accusations. People
Speaker 1: say I take PDS, people say have ABM plants. Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 1: wait wait wait, can we be honest like you you
Speaker 1: definitely take pds. You know what, fuck I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: off for the I'll here takes prioritize, execute every every
Speaker 1: every fucking morning, every more. Buts I pray every day.
Speaker 1: I love so we both take the whole world I'm
Speaker 1: on windstraw. I don't know much a whole lot about that,
Speaker 1: but people say the same thing, I got ABM plants
Speaker 1: right or ab I got you can get plants. Looking
Speaker 1: at ABM plants right now, they look they look pretty good.
Speaker 1: I might have to get Wait. The third image result
Speaker 1: on ABM plants is you wait, hold on, that's so
Speaker 1: fucking good. It's so smart. What he did was he
Speaker 1: was like, people say I did X, which is a
Speaker 1: little bit weird, but and then they also say I
Speaker 1: did why, which is super duper weird. Like that was
Speaker 1: so smart for him to throw in ab implants, like
Speaker 1: just to throw like everyone off the sense to be
Speaker 1: like this is like, it's distracting. It throws people off
Speaker 1: like the main trail. It's a he's a clever guy,
Speaker 1: He's I mean, you don't. You don't get to where
Speaker 1: the liver King got without having a little bit of cunning.
Speaker 1: Fucking it took my title. Yeah, yeah, he sure did.
Speaker 1: He earned it. He earned it. Look so um yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's pretty fun. Um. Now. One of the
Speaker 1: first people to call him out in a major public
Speaker 1: way was actually Joe Rogan. And look, normally, if we
Speaker 1: are talking about health on this show and Joe Rogan
Speaker 1: comes up. He is not a good guy, but in
Speaker 1: this case, look, I will say one thing for the man.
Speaker 1: He's an expert at knowing who's on steroids. If Joe
Speaker 1: Rogan says a dude is on fucking gear, he's probably right.
Speaker 1: I trust Rogan. I'm so sorry he is not in
Speaker 1: the wrong. He called the Liver King out immediately, and
Speaker 1: it's very funny because when you when you watch videos
Speaker 1: of the Liver King responding to Joe Rogan saying he's
Speaker 1: definitely I think Joe's exact words where he has an
Speaker 1: ass full of steroids. When someone interviewed the Liver King
Speaker 1: about it, his response was almost unrestrained glee. He didn't
Speaker 1: care that Rogan said he was a fraud. What mattered
Speaker 1: was that Joe had mentioned him. And that's sensible because right,
Speaker 1: his entire business is I want to get in as
Speaker 1: many people as possible, Right, I want everyone looking at
Speaker 1: my ship and some number of them are going to
Speaker 1: buy my weird organ supplements and that's what actually matters.
Speaker 1: So through late twenty twenty two, the Liver King escalated
Speaker 1: his stunts, traveling to a series of exotic locations to
Speaker 1: hunt with native tribes. This is always what he calls.
Speaker 1: This is if you want to appropriate some culture. The
Speaker 1: liber King is the king of cultural I've never seen
Speaker 1: it done this well, and by well, I mean very badly.
Speaker 1: So he posts these little twenty minute YouTube videos and
Speaker 1: I think he was hoping they were going to be
Speaker 1: like a backdoor pilot to getting a TV show deal, right,
Speaker 1: and he was going to go travel the world, eating
Speaker 1: with native tribes, as he calls it. The problem is,
Speaker 1: I don't think the liver King actually knows how to hunt,
Speaker 1: and all of these videos are supposed to be him
Speaker 1: hunting with people. Now I'm basing the fact that I
Speaker 1: don't think he knows on the hunt how to hunt.
Speaker 1: On the video Sacred Hunt, which the Liver King film
Speaker 1: on his own five hundred acre ranch in Texas. The
Speaker 1: video shows him hunting a deer with rad or striker,
Speaker 1: I forget which one. But the kind of hunting they're
Speaker 1: doing is the kind that you can do when you
Speaker 1: have five So if you have a bunch of land
Speaker 1: right in a large parts of the country, including Texas
Speaker 1: where he lives, whitetail deer in particular, overpopulated, and so
Speaker 1: you can kind of just hunt as many deer as
Speaker 1: you want on your own land. And one way that
Speaker 1: people particularly, I knew a lot of folks who were poor,
Speaker 1: but they had like family land or something, and a
Speaker 1: big way they would supplement their diet is by hunting deer.
Speaker 1: And you just like leave out some apples or something
Speaker 1: like that and you shoot him. It's not particularly sporting,
Speaker 1: but they are a species. We've killed their native predators
Speaker 1: and whatnot. You know, it's the thing that said it
Speaker 1: is not what most people would call hunting, right. Um,
Speaker 1: what he does is even less hunting than that, because
Speaker 1: he is on his own land and he has three
Speaker 1: guides who are there to help him find the deer
Speaker 1: and flush it out so he can shoot it at
Speaker 1: long range with a rifle. Now, look that's not really hunting,
Speaker 1: but okay, Um, to make things grosser, the guide that
Speaker 1: he hired is I actually don't know if the guide
Speaker 1: is an indigenous person. Um, they don't make that claim.
Speaker 1: I don't know much about this person. I wasn't able
Speaker 1: to find much, but I'm gonna play this clip. It
Speaker 1: is rough. This is this is bad. Hold on here,
Speaker 1: pissed would be like no. I mean, the one thing,
Speaker 1: if you're actually if you're hunting to the point where
Speaker 1: you have to like stalk an animal, you don't want
Speaker 1: to smell like stuff like for example, burning sage. Um.
Speaker 1: First of all, I like that the dude looked like
Speaker 1: he was Middle Eastern, Like, I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 1: gonna make it clear, like Kadio is just like he's
Speaker 1: one of my people, just like out there just being like,
Speaker 1: here's some ful offel. He's making money. You're ready to go,
Speaker 1: and now go. Hi. The deer the way they hunt,
Speaker 1: they're just like walking through the woods. And then the
Speaker 1: guy stops him and he says, I'm going to send
Speaker 1: one of my guys to flush the deer out, and
Speaker 1: you shoot it when the deer runs out, and it's
Speaker 1: again not Look, that's a perfectly reasonable way to get meat.
Speaker 1: It's not necessarily hunting. Grills would do better than that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the bare minimum. I agree. So obviously this is
Speaker 1: all very very fun. Um. Now, it's also kind of
Speaker 1: worth noting that that guide you could see it in
Speaker 1: some of the clips, is a lot taller than him.
Speaker 1: The liver king usually doesn't let himself be filmed next
Speaker 1: to other men who are taller. But the truth is
Speaker 1: he's five foot seven, which is fine. But it's really
Speaker 1: funny that he's he puts. When you watch thirty hours
Speaker 1: of his videos like I have, there's like two or
Speaker 1: three times where he's next to a dude because he
Speaker 1: doesn't want people to see that. This really highlights how
Speaker 1: much I worry about you sometimes that I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: Here's what I'm gonna say. See, if you really want
Speaker 1: to be the liver king, then be a short liver king. Yeah,
Speaker 1: be a short king. There's nothing wrong with king, perfectly
Speaker 1: honorable short kings. Anyway, there's some out of you out there.
Speaker 1: I know it. So after this video, he goes all
Speaker 1: over Africa and South America to film himself watching other
Speaker 1: people hunt and then eating organ meat, often meat that
Speaker 1: like they don't have enough of because they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of it's growdy. M In one interview with BuzzFeed,
Speaker 1: here's how he described the experience when you hang out
Speaker 1: with primitive culture tribes. That's his words. Look, that's his words.
Speaker 1: I know it's bad. Who don't know how to open
Speaker 1: a bottle of water or even know what a phone
Speaker 1: is you as I know, it's rough. You are seeing
Speaker 1: people laugh more than you ever have in your life.
Speaker 1: In the Amazon, my cameraman was hit with an arrow
Speaker 1: at his chest during a hunt. He wasn't injured, but
Speaker 1: you know how hard those hunters laughed. They laughed at everything.
Speaker 1: Everything's so hilarious to them. They were trying to kill you, Brian,
Speaker 1: because you're a dick. Also, they know how to open
Speaker 1: bottles of water. And I'm gonna guess most of them
Speaker 1: have smartphones. I've been doing like every refugee camp I have,
Speaker 1: people have phones. It's not uncommon. We'll talk about that
Speaker 1: more in a little bit. Johnson remained evasive when asked
Speaker 1: how he was able to enter indigenous communities. It takes
Speaker 1: some finessing to let us come in, but you know
Speaker 1: how it is, so I don't Brian, Yeah, tell us. Well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you so. This is all very racist.
Speaker 1: It's also untrue. All of the tribes that Liver King
Speaker 1: visited have access to water bottles and again, smartphones. BuzzFeed
Speaker 1: seemed to miss to fight at how he arranged these inbeds,
Speaker 1: but like thirty seconds of googling made it obvious it
Speaker 1: turns out that a lot of people who are members
Speaker 1: of like hunter gathered tribes and in these parts of
Speaker 1: the world are desperately poor in modern terms, and you
Speaker 1: can sometimes pay money to go hunt with them because
Speaker 1: they need money to survive, and so this is a
Speaker 1: thing that you can just kind of buy your way
Speaker 1: into doing. This is the case with the Hadza tribe
Speaker 1: who he visited last year. I want to play you
Speaker 1: a segment from that video. First, the Hudsa, the wild bushman.
Speaker 1: They don't cultivate anything. Oh yeah, so this is what
Speaker 1: we're doing now because we are going to hang out
Speaker 1: with the Hudsa. No, he does not wear shirts. He
Speaker 1: never had a shirt. Talk but does how many times
Speaker 1: he puts his hand on a fucking tree? There's like
Speaker 1: four in this video. You're gonna do it again in
Speaker 1: just a second there, I guess pret So for several
Speaker 1: minutes Google that is rough. Several minutes Googling found two
Speaker 1: different companies that offer travel experiences with the Hadza, starting
Speaker 1: at two to three thousand dollars per person to go
Speaker 1: out and hunt with them, and again nothing again. Like again,
Speaker 1: They're trying to survive in a world that is incredibly difficult,
Speaker 1: and that has made their lives a lot harder, and
Speaker 1: is consistently encroaching on the land that they used to
Speaker 1: hunt on. That's polluting it, That's making it a lot
Speaker 1: harder for them to live the way that they used
Speaker 1: to live. You know, get what you can out of
Speaker 1: guys like the Liver King. I'm just trying to say,
Speaker 1: there's nothing mysterious about how he arranged these inbeds. This
Speaker 1: is a thing that tourists to actually all the time.
Speaker 1: I found a twenty twenty account from a guy named
Speaker 1: Max Waugh who paid for the same experience as the
Speaker 1: Liver King. Here's what he afterwards. In the moments following
Speaker 1: our departure from the Hadzabe camp in the sub and
Speaker 1: in the subsequent months and years, I've re examined our
Speaker 1: experience with the tribe and sometimes questioned what we saw,
Speaker 1: how much of it was a genuine experience, how much
Speaker 1: was staged. Before we left, they tried to sell us
Speaker 1: their bows, arrows and bead trinkets. Tempting, but I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure if we'd be able to get a bow and
Speaker 1: arrow set through customs. The next day, as we drove
Speaker 1: through a nearby town, we saw two of the boys
Speaker 1: walking around in T shirts. The day before, the men
Speaker 1: had all been decked out in ragged shorts and little else,
Speaker 1: maybe some beads and animal hides, but no shirts. Had
Speaker 1: they dressed down for our visit. Even today, I wonder
Speaker 1: if we were getting a genuine look at the hods
Speaker 1: Away of life, or if most traces of Western influence
Speaker 1: were carefully tucked away when Turrists were around and like, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: like that's why you paid three thousand dollars to hang
Speaker 1: out with them for a day. It's it's like it's
Speaker 1: a business. Yeah, they put on a show for you.
Speaker 1: That's what they're supposed to do. Yeah, that's that's how
Speaker 1: they're making a living right now. Yeah, And the liver
Speaker 1: King is pretending that like they're living the way, the
Speaker 1: ancestral way that he did. And one of the things
Speaker 1: you might notice is that because he goes and he
Speaker 1: hunts with them, and then they all eat organ meat together,
Speaker 1: and if the thing that he was doing work the
Speaker 1: way he says it is, there would not be a
Speaker 1: gigantic size discrepancy between all of them and him. You
Speaker 1: might notice none of them look like the liver King,
Speaker 1: because they do not have fifteen thousand dollars a month
Speaker 1: to spend shooting HGH into their assholes. They look healthy
Speaker 1: because they have like a normal diet they have. They
Speaker 1: look like people who eat like humans vegetables. Yeah no,
Speaker 1: they're not their body weight in human growth hormones. Yes
Speaker 1: so um yeah. Despite being clearly fraudulent, the Liver King's
Speaker 1: pr blitz worked. By some reports, his ancestral supplements business
Speaker 1: swored to nearly one hundred million dollars a year. He
Speaker 1: continued to escalate the weird stunts, doing stuff like showing
Speaker 1: up shirtless outside the queen's funeral to do bicep curls,
Speaker 1: which I actually I'm entirely supportive of that. Fat's based
Speaker 1: as hell. I'm just gonna say it. That's pretty rad.
Speaker 1: I got I got nothing against him for that one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: until in December of twenty twenty two, a bodybuilding influencer
Speaker 1: called more Plates More Dates published an expose on I
Speaker 1: fucking hate all these people. They're all the worst when
Speaker 1: you have to spend hours watching the because you have
Speaker 1: part of like a lot of the reporting on the
Speaker 1: Liver King was done by bodybuilding, and they're all they're
Speaker 1: all terrible, but some of them are honest, like the
Speaker 1: guy who exposed him as a guy who's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: if you want to be a professional bodybuilder, you have
Speaker 1: to do steroids. I'm just so worried about you for
Speaker 1: the amount of time you spent watching bodybuilding videos, Like, well,
Speaker 1: there's some part of me. Am I spending eleven thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month on HGH now of course horse no. Um.
Speaker 1: So this guy more Plates More Dates publishes an expose
Speaker 1: on YouTube and Deceber twenty twenty two that reveals the
Speaker 1: King's steroid abuse. The liver King had sent him an
Speaker 1: email like, here's all off the steroids. I'm on what
Speaker 1: else should I be taking? And this guy, eventually, after
Speaker 1: months of the liver Kings saying I'm not on steroids
Speaker 1: at all, was like, well, this guy's a liar. I'm
Speaker 1: going to expose any other steroids. That is what he's doing.
Speaker 1: And it's it's actually if you watch the video, it's
Speaker 1: interesting because this guy is a steroid influencer, but he
Speaker 1: knows his shit, um, and he talks about like why
Speaker 1: he's doing what he's doing. It is kind I did
Speaker 1: find it kind of interesting. Um, but yeah, right, After
Speaker 1: this comes out, everybody's making fun of the liver King.
Speaker 1: He goes viral for being a gigantic fraud, and immediately thereafter,
Speaker 1: the liver King puts out a video confessing that he'd
Speaker 1: lied about taking peeds and he had a justification that
Speaker 1: I might call peculiar. Oh boy, y'all aren't ready for
Speaker 1: this shit trial. I'm making this video to apologize this
Speaker 1: guy because I'm embarrassing, ashamed because I lied and I
Speaker 1: misled a lot of people. I've stated that this is
Speaker 1: a complicated as fuck topic, at least to me. It
Speaker 1: is because before social media, I was rich and anonymous,
Speaker 1: and after social media I'm still rich, but no longer anonymous,
Speaker 1: and I never expected this kind of exposure in the
Speaker 1: public eye. It's been tricky as fuck to navigate. Well,
Speaker 1: clearly I did it wrong, and I'm here now to
Speaker 1: set the record straight. Yes I've done steroids, and yes
Speaker 1: I'm on steroids monitored and managed by a trained hormone clinician.
Speaker 1: Liver King the public figure was an experiment to spread
Speaker 1: the message, to bring awareness to the four thousand people
Speaker 1: a day who killed themselves. That eighty thousand people a
Speaker 1: day that pride to kill themselves. Are people are hurting
Speaker 1: at record rates with depression, autoimmune anxiety, fertility, low ambition
Speaker 1: in life. Fuck you, man, so that's pretty right. Fuck
Speaker 1: you for bringing him into my life. That's why he's
Speaker 1: a bastard. The whole I had to spend fifteen thousand
Speaker 1: dollars a month on steroids because people are killing themselves.
Speaker 1: I had to teach you. He's Jesus hold on, would
Speaker 1: you call that persecution complex? Yeah? Oh yeah, okay, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I do love his argument that like if only,
Speaker 1: if only all of those suicide victims were eating more
Speaker 1: raw organ meat, I was trying to save lives. I'm
Speaker 1: so upset. It's pretty offensive. Rights, that's pretty evil. Like
Speaker 1: that's actually the first thing he's done that's really upset me.
Speaker 1: Really really to build to it, but that's legitimately evil.
Speaker 1: Damn him. He's he's a pretty bad person. So this
Speaker 1: is why I've declared him a bastard. The other stuff
Speaker 1: is gross and weird and kind of funny, but the
Speaker 1: reality and obviously I don't I don't actually have like
Speaker 1: an issue with people using steroids. Again, I think that
Speaker 1: performance enhancing and drugs, drugs should be completely legal in
Speaker 1: sports because it's more fun to watch. Look, they're already
Speaker 1: mortgaging their bodies for money. It's already fucked up on
Speaker 1: an ethical level. Just not lying about it isn't any
Speaker 1: worse anyway, people checking my medical record right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I don't agree with you above statements. I do,
Speaker 1: I do. I mean, look, there's two kinds of world
Speaker 1: class professional athletes. There's the ones who are on steroids
Speaker 1: and the ones who are on steroids. We don't know
Speaker 1: how to catch with your analysis tests yet Russians. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, this is what's actually evil, right is the
Speaker 1: whole thing that he's trying to claim that like I
Speaker 1: am doing this because I think that the health advice
Speaker 1: I have will stop people from killing themselves, when as
Speaker 1: we're about to talk about, the reality is he is
Speaker 1: contributing to the suicide epidemic and everything that he's doing.
Speaker 1: And this is where we have to get kind of
Speaker 1: serious for a minute, because suicidal ideation is hugely correlated
Speaker 1: with body dysmorphia disorder, something I've dealt with, something that
Speaker 1: a lot of men and a lot of women deal with,
Speaker 1: the rate of completed suicide among sufferers of BDD is
Speaker 1: what one clinical journal that I read described as markedly high.
Speaker 1: And guess what. The percentage of American men dissatisfied with
Speaker 1: their own appearance has tripled in the last twenty five years.
Speaker 1: By some accounts, BDD is as common now among men
Speaker 1: as it is among women. One twenty twenty two studies
Speaker 1: show that fifty four percent of men in the United
Speaker 1: States have signs of BDD, compared with forty nine percent
Speaker 1: of women. The soaring rates of body dysmorphia disorder among
Speaker 1: young men have a body count, and it has a
Speaker 1: lot to do with why male suicide rates in the
Speaker 1: United States are at an all time high. The explosion
Speaker 1: of BDD among men is not solely caused by the
Speaker 1: fact that every single male movie, action star and influencer
Speaker 1: seems to take steroids and spend millions on personal training
Speaker 1: to look in humanly jacked, but it is not a
Speaker 1: non factor in that it does play a part in
Speaker 1: those deaths and in this problem. In twenty thirteen, one
Speaker 1: expert estimated twenty percent of Hollywood leading men used peds
Speaker 1: like the Liver King, and today the number is substantially higher.
Speaker 1: Some male actors have spoken up about this Channing Tatum,
Speaker 1: on an episode of The Kelly Clarkson Show, rejected praise
Speaker 1: for a topless picture of himself in The Magic Mic Movies,
Speaker 1: saying the routine that had given them him that body
Speaker 1: had been made possible because it was unhealthy. Zac Efron,
Speaker 1: who got into movie star shaped for the twenty seventeen
Speaker 1: Baywatch movie, has admitted the suffering from severe depression due
Speaker 1: to body image issues afterwards. Those guys played their role
Speaker 1: in the problem, too, but they've also clearly made an
Speaker 1: effort to grapple with what is happening to them and
Speaker 1: what happens to young men as a result of Hollywood's
Speaker 1: relentless need to serve us male role models who are
Speaker 1: not muscular in a way that human beings can become naturally.
Speaker 1: The Liver King, knowing all of this, made inspiring a
Speaker 1: generation of eating disorder victims his business, and so did
Speaker 1: the sick fucks at the one DS Collective. Now, I
Speaker 1: could go on a lot more of a rant here,
Speaker 1: but this is a nice time night and we don't
Speaker 1: need to do that. So instead, I'm going to close
Speaker 1: from a clip from last year's Liver King Christmas video,
Speaker 1: and I need to explain what's happening in this video
Speaker 1: to you, because it's going to look like unhinged nonsense otherwise. So,
Speaker 1: the liver King has a chef, and since he mostly
Speaker 1: eats raw organs, I don't know how much chefing is involved,
Speaker 1: but he does have a chef who seems to live
Speaker 1: on his compound in Austin with him, and for the
Speaker 1: holiday one year, this chef created a Christmas tree of
Speaker 1: raw organ meats and other raw meats, which it's very
Speaker 1: funny the whole like that it was set up that
Speaker 1: he's going to have friends over. We're doing this dinner.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna like heat the center of this Christmas tree
Speaker 1: of raw organs and cook it for everybody. But it
Speaker 1: becomes grosser and grosser over time, and without saying so,
Speaker 1: they give up. And it makes like after the point
Speaker 1: that we watch, you guys are going to see this
Speaker 1: fucking thing, it disappears from the video and they just
Speaker 1: pretend it was never there. He serves them a normal
Speaker 1: meal and just watch and keep an eye on this
Speaker 1: fucking chef's face to our Christmas tree. You want to
Speaker 1: make sure not to overcrowd your Christmas tree whenever you're
Speaker 1: putting on ornaments, so you want to kind of spread
Speaker 1: these out evenly. Also use the ornaments as an opportunity
Speaker 1: to hide any bought spots that may or may not
Speaker 1: be on your tree. Fucking back, Batman is dead inside.
Speaker 1: Oh that's the liver king. That's fucking horrible. Man so good,
Speaker 1: it's so good, except for all of the bad stuff,
Speaker 1: it's pretty good. Is he still like a finger? Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's doing videos. I've watched his most. He's claiming now
Speaker 1: that he's like two weeks clean from steroids, and it's
Speaker 1: like posting his body. No, of course not, he's like
Speaker 1: like it. But it also one of the things that's
Speaker 1: really funny because he got exposed by like these grindset
Speaker 1: influencer bodybuilding YouTube channels, and they all were really critical
Speaker 1: of him. But they all are critical him because they're like, well,
Speaker 1: his message is really good, and it's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: it's not. His message is nonsense. Yeah, his message is
Speaker 1: like you should eat raw meat and work out five
Speaker 1: hours a day, which is like not a thing that
Speaker 1: people can do. So so I'm sorry, just what is
Speaker 1: So his connection was to those pills he made clearly
Speaker 1: that's where he makes his money. He makes his money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like is he is he from from what we know?
Speaker 1: Like wealthy because of it? Yes, he's made a shitload
Speaker 1: of money. This guy's made so much more money than
Speaker 1: than I don't know, let's say any er doctor you'll
Speaker 1: ever meet that's not saying much? Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah
Speaker 1: ye Are there any year a doctor's in here? Good?
Speaker 1: Because they suck? Fuck, I'm just kidding. I love you
Speaker 1: our doctors, um, but it does frustrate me on such
Speaker 1: a deep level. Then like I could use this, we
Speaker 1: could listen, we could make a lot of money. We
Speaker 1: just talk right now for real business, real quickly between
Speaker 1: my gi hypatology background, your understanding of how bastards work.
Speaker 1: We can make a shit ton of money with some
Speaker 1: sort of supplement, like like it would be like a
Speaker 1: ram dick or something. Yeah, we have to use some
Speaker 1: sort of thing that's like cheap because it gets thrown away,
Speaker 1: and we can just convince people to take horse piss
Speaker 1: horse piss. Horses are pissing all the time and nobody's
Speaker 1: monetizing that. Have you see how strong horses are? Do
Speaker 1: you want to run faster? Do you want horses run
Speaker 1: faster than you? I'm sorry, they do, but that power
Speaker 1: can be yours if you drink their piss fucking horsepiss, yeah,
Speaker 1: or gatorade. We'll just call gatorine or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: fuck it's beautiful. I'll go hunt with somebody and then
Speaker 1: pretend that it's I killed the animal because I drank
Speaker 1: enough piss for great for for fun. Just before we
Speaker 1: close up, if you like music, right, I like music?
Speaker 1: You like music? No? No? Like? Uh? Like like Andrew
Speaker 1: Tate and uh and the Amazon guy. I've never understood
Speaker 1: the power of him, the Amazon guy Okay, got his
Speaker 1: name briefly, Like you like? But you like different genres
Speaker 1: of music. If you were to make this like epic
Speaker 1: into like a musical song, what kind of music would
Speaker 1: it be? Would it be? Well, there's actually only one genre.
Speaker 1: I think it's really music. It's Scott But thank you
Speaker 1: fucking oh did I get you? Who wants it now? Anyone?
Speaker 1: And when I threw that is everyone? Okay, Okay, thank you?
Speaker 1: We got We got a couple of minutes left. We
Speaker 1: got a couple of minutes left. And this is our
Speaker 1: first live show since I don't know, a couple of
Speaker 1: things went wrong since the start of twenty twenty when
Speaker 1: I was last in here. M this is our first
Speaker 1: live show in a while. We're not live in the
Speaker 1: studio anymore, and so there's a couple of bits that
Speaker 1: are beloved among the fans that we haven't gotten to
Speaker 1: do for a while, but we have that opportunity. Could
Speaker 1: somebody please bring their bagels up to here? Oh wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: yes please? Oh thank you? Perfect. So, first off, we
Speaker 1: have this is just one of my favorite machetes. It's
Speaker 1: a crk T machete. One of the best batoning machetes
Speaker 1: you're ever going to have. Really good for splitting wood,
Speaker 1: good for waving when you're drunk to not even that sharp,
Speaker 1: so it'll just make a rough gas really sure, come on, okay?
Speaker 1: And then this is my so I have a story
Speaker 1: with this knife. It's amazing. Look at that American flag
Speaker 1: fake Jim's perfect, perfect knife. So I got this. This
Speaker 1: is a bud k original. Some of you know how
Speaker 1: special that is. Original one a hero. I'm watching you, man,
Speaker 1: I get block. I get packages from fans from time
Speaker 1: to time, and about a year ago, two years ago,
Speaker 1: I got a package that was like thirty of the
Speaker 1: worst knives you've ever seen. In your life and a
Speaker 1: note where someone was like, hey, Robert, big fan of
Speaker 1: the pod, liked you for years. My dad started to
Speaker 1: lose his mind a couple of years ago, and I
Speaker 1: don't know why, but the thing he did was repeatedly
Speaker 1: ordered knives from the bud k catalet. There was a
Speaker 1: huge room full of these terrible knives when he died,
Speaker 1: and we, you know, we sold the ones that we
Speaker 1: could to help pay for the funeral. I have given
Speaker 1: you all of the ones we couldn't sell. Now, my
Speaker 1: favorite knife in this bunch is, you know, like a
Speaker 1: normal folding pocket knife. Everyone's familiar with the broad shape.
Speaker 1: It's that, but it's a foot long and it weighs
Speaker 1: four pounds and it is My friends and I we
Speaker 1: call it the big titted Angel knife because there's a
Speaker 1: drawing of an angel with very large breasts on it.
Speaker 1: Now I would have taken it here, but it cannot
Speaker 1: fly because you can't really close it. It is terribly dangerous.
Speaker 1: The blades are just swinging around. But this knife was
Speaker 1: reasonably safe to fly with. So Covin, why don't you
Speaker 1: take the good machette and I'll take the too sharp
Speaker 1: for safety and America knife again, Bud k original everybody.
Speaker 1: All right, covin, are you familiar with the rules. It's
Speaker 1: like normal tennis, which I don't know. All right, Love
Speaker 1: Serving zero? Wow? That was that one? Better than that?
Speaker 1: All right? Hit mate? Okay, that's one though for me, terrible, terrible, unbelievable. Okay,
Speaker 1: that one did some damage. All right, all right, all right, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll get one more of these and then we won't
Speaker 1: do anymore because I don't want to cause too many
Speaker 1: problems for quick. If you fucking stab me with this knife,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be so obsessed stab someone with a knife.
Speaker 1: All right, Love Serving Knife, I got you right in
Speaker 1: the startup? Good yeah, yeah, all right, all right, all right,
Speaker 1: I think I won. All Right, let's all let's all
Speaker 1: get a round of applause for the cleanup crew. We'll
Speaker 1: try to deal with as much as this as possible.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm so sorry. All right. Now, we've got
Speaker 1: four minutes, so I think we have time to answer
Speaker 1: one or two questions. Oh, you want me to do
Speaker 1: my Boston accent? Could you put it in the form
Speaker 1: of a question? Though? What does my Boston accent sound like?
Speaker 1: Is that the question? I heard well boy even reforced
Speaker 1: and nim. Sophie loves this accent. I send all of
Speaker 1: my work messages to her. Sophie. We're getting sued by
Speaker 1: the liver king. Wait wait, can you do did you
Speaker 1: ever watch the Leprechn when you were younger? Of course?
Speaker 1: Can you do? No? Please, that's cultural appropriation. I will
Speaker 1: not be a part of it, specifically Leprechn. What's up?
Speaker 1: Oh the child sex island? Can you really own blue aprons? Child? Second? Well,
Speaker 1: it's not even it's not even say it's it's for eating. Um, yeah, hunting,
Speaker 1: which is ethical. Um. I mean there are a couple
Speaker 1: of child sex islands. But you know, look, if you
Speaker 1: are hunting children for sport and you don't, it's again,
Speaker 1: it's nose to tail, right, Like that's the ethical thing
Speaker 1: to do. So you you want to get especially since
Speaker 1: as I understand that stem cells have medical properties and
Speaker 1: kids are full of stems. Seems mostly focused on how
Speaker 1: different your crowd is than my crowd. Well, my crowd's
Speaker 1: really interested in good healthcare advice. Yeah, so what it's
Speaker 1: it's I mean, it's it's blue apron. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be deep out in the
Speaker 1: Pretty soon we're gonna find there's got There's got to
Speaker 1: be at least like one or two other Epstein islands
Speaker 1: out there. Oh my god, there's like a whole art
Speaker 1: Pedula archipelago. Every time I say Archipella, people yell all, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: right right, which you're all being pedants, but I think
Speaker 1: you're correct. Covin, Yeah, it's from Heroin mart So this
Speaker 1: is it's a good hoodie. This is like a drug
Speaker 1: users collective somewhere in Canada. Um. And this was a
Speaker 1: part of a fundraiser, and I got it because I
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to wear in the TSA line. But
Speaker 1: also I'm broadly supportive of the message after everything going
Speaker 1: on in Atlanta right now, in particular, um, speaking of
Speaker 1: which our own Garrison Davis has been on the ground,
Speaker 1: and it's pretty fucked up night in Atlanta. So if
Speaker 1: you if you've got cash to burn their bail fund,
Speaker 1: I'm sure is going to be looking for some of it. Um,
Speaker 1: because all of those people are getting charged with domestic terrorism,
Speaker 1: which is yeah, it's a real problem. It's ugly as shit. Um.
Speaker 1: Nothing says terrorism like breaking a bank window. For those listening,
Speaker 1: for those lists isis guys were shooting at me, thinking, boy,
Speaker 1: this is almost as scary as seeing a bank window
Speaker 1: get broken for those listening at home. His hoodie is
Speaker 1: a bright yellow hoodie and there's a smiley face on it,
Speaker 1: and that's there. That's all there is to it. So
Speaker 1: I don't know. That's just in case an incredible bit um. Okay,
Speaker 1: one more question, but make it a really crude one.
Speaker 1: We only have like thirty seconds. Oh boy, I'm more
Speaker 1: worried about his heart. Although he does take in ac
Speaker 1: so hopefully his liver is fine. That's probably good, right, No,
Speaker 1: his liver is a fucking mess. Yea. His actual liver
Speaker 1: is a fucking wreck. His kidneys too, are probably a wreck. Yeah,
Speaker 1: cock is fine. Well no, I don't know about that. Cot.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying it's probably fine. Rad Johnson and Striker Johnson?
Speaker 1: Which of those is sillier? Seriously? Which is a silly
Speaker 1: sillier name? Striker? All right? You know what show a
Speaker 1: hands everybody hands up? Is Rad the sillier name. I'm
Speaker 1: seeing a lot of rads. I'm seeing a lot of rads.
Speaker 1: Now let's see Striker. Oh the strikers have it. I agree,
Speaker 1: Rad is a cool name. Rad is a good name
Speaker 1: for a kid. Team Team Striker. Very proud of you
Speaker 1: all for showing up. Team Rad. You gotta get out
Speaker 1: the vote. You gotta register more people next time. All right,
Speaker 1: this has more or less been a podcast. Um, thank
Speaker 1: you all for showing up. And uh yeah, have a
Speaker 1: have a have a liver king full night. Remember his teachings,
Speaker 1: you know, eat eat, eat Christmas trees by organ meat,
Speaker 1: take fifteen thousand dollars of steroids every month or hear
Speaker 1: me out. Okay, eat mostly a plant based diet with
Speaker 1: some meat and cheese and stuff to ornament it and
Speaker 1: and enjoy your life. Comment I have a fucking machete.
Speaker 1: Who the fuck said that? Who booed me? You know,
Speaker 1: I know it's the guy over there who had that? Guy?
Speaker 1: I fucking I got you. Like, I'm gonna say, thirty
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars a month, that's a normal amount of steroids.
Speaker 1: That's healthy. Yeah, that's healthy, right, that's what most doctors
Speaker 1: will advise. Uh no, I mean, I'm actually gonna guess
Speaker 1: lads was in speaking of which Lance and I actually
Speaker 1: have a lot in common. He's another plan. Oh boy. Um,
Speaker 1: one of the things I always appreciated about Lance Armstrong
Speaker 1: outside of the problematic aspects of his career, is that
Speaker 1: he called my hometown a soulless pit, which is true,
Speaker 1: not in an accurate way. And it's it's one of
Speaker 1: those things. There's basically three famous people from Plano. Um
Speaker 1: there's on the lower level me and then on the
Speaker 1: higher level there's Lance Armstrong and Alan tutik Aka washed
Speaker 1: from Firefly. Yeah, one of us was not a monster,
Speaker 1: not a great record for Plano K nine from Rogue one.
Speaker 1: That's fucking that's that's that's it. That's yeah, that's less
Speaker 1: of a touchstone fire I assume he did other things
Speaker 1: and that's okay. Yeah, just those two. All right, well
Speaker 1: you got it. You can't stay here, but you gotta
Speaker 1: go home something like that. Um, thank you all for coming.
Speaker 1: This has been a This has actually been a really
Speaker 1: nice experience. UM. I have missed being able to do
Speaker 1: the live show. So it's lovely that we got to
Speaker 1: to all get back together. Um. And it's it's nice
Speaker 1: every time we hear that, like a show has you
Speaker 1: sold out? That always makes everybody feel better. It is
Speaker 1: kind of a weird job, like just reading about terrible
Speaker 1: people and then damaging someone's mental health over a zoom call.
Speaker 1: So getting to see that I'm also harming all of
Speaker 1: your health is what makes it all worthwhile. So please
Speaker 1: continue having whatever problem leads you to listen to this
Speaker 1: podcast every single week. But seriously, thank you all so much.
Speaker 1: You've been a lovely audience. And yeah, all I can
Speaker 1: say is eat as much raw liver as humanly possible.
Speaker 1: Don't do that. Kava and I are now going to
Speaker 1: try to clean up some of the bagel shrapnels that
Speaker 1: we cause as little of a problem as possible for
Speaker 1: the nice people at this at this theater. Thank you all.
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