WEBVTT - The Liver King (A Live Show) 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:06.480 Welcome, finally to the twentieth annual s F sketch Fest, 0:00:06.760 --> 0:00:10.480 the San Francisco Comedy Festival. For tickets and show schedules, 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:13.920 visit us at SF Sketchfest dot com and follow us 0:00:13.920 --> 0:00:17.360 on social media for festival news and updates. Please take 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.360 a moment to locate the nearest emergency exit, and please 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:23.799 silence your cell phones and refrain from texting during the performance. 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:32.480 Video and photography are strictly prohibited. Enjoy the show. Would 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:34.440 you all excuse me a minute, I need to make 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:42.800 a phone call. Hey, Sophie. Yeah, So I'm here at 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.440 the thing, you know, the award show for the sketchiest 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:49.279 man in podcasting. Well, I'm wearing my award robe and 0:00:49.360 --> 0:00:53.000 I'm carrying my awards staff. But it's become clear to 0:00:53.080 --> 0:00:55.360 me that this is not, in fact an award. No, 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:57.360 that's not what Sketch Fest means. Yeah, I know. I 0:00:57.440 --> 0:00:59.880 was shocked to learn it too. I think they're expecting 0:01:00.080 --> 0:01:05.440 me to perform an episode of Behind the Bastards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:08.759 this is a real problem. This is a real problem. Thankfully, 0:01:08.800 --> 0:01:11.399 I keep next to my heart a podcast script for 0:01:11.440 --> 0:01:14.760 emergencies at all times, but we're gonna need a guest, 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:19.319 and I just don't have anyone booked. Wait a second, Sophie, 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:28.240 I'll talk to you later. Helloine, play along. Yeah, we 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:31.319 have a I'm here at the Gateway Theater and we've 0:01:31.319 --> 0:01:35.160 had a horrible attack of airborne syphilis. Start moaning. Come on, 0:01:35.200 --> 0:01:37.440 give me, give me, give me some moans. Oh yeah, no, 0:01:37.560 --> 0:01:41.440 it's bad. You need to get a doctor down here immediately. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:45.000 Can we get a doctor sent into the theater? Doctor 0:01:45.160 --> 0:01:52.520 kave Hoda, Thank you for coming on such short notice, 0:01:52.640 --> 0:01:55.840 Doctor Hoda. I heard there was an uncontrollable amount of 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:59.000 syphilis here. That is the case, but we can ignore 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.800 that the actual and I called nine one one was 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.360 because I have a script and I need some help 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:08.480 reading it. No, you view. I know it's not the 0:02:08.520 --> 0:02:10.320 first time, and it won't be the last that I 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.040 use nine one one for my own purposes. But can 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:16.040 I take this white coat off I haven't worn this night. 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.720 It's actually quite hot up here. I'll keep the podcasting staff, 0:02:25.160 --> 0:02:29.280 I'll keep the podcasting picture out of the knife. Yeah 0:02:29.320 --> 0:02:31.480 you lend me. Yeah. Now I'm in my much more 0:02:31.520 --> 0:02:34.840 normal outfit of my shoot dope. Fuck the cops hoodie, 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:39.080 which I own, mainly because wearing this hoodie through the 0:02:39.080 --> 0:02:41.720 TSA checkpoint is quite a bit of fun. You have, 0:02:42.000 --> 0:02:46.720 you have a different experience every time in every country. Kabe, 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.040 how are you doing today? Man? I am so glad 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:53.520 to be here. There's nobody and no crowd. I would 0:02:53.600 --> 0:02:57.640 rather get an airborne disease from than you. Oh no, 0:02:57.840 --> 0:02:59.760 this is of all the crowds to get an airborne 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.000 disease from, this is in the top three or four. Yeah, 0:03:02.040 --> 0:03:05.120 that area over there is particularly questionable. Over there, I 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:09.240 find them. They definitely have something, and it's okay because 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.280 it's worth it. I think this is this is worth 0:03:11.280 --> 0:03:14.360 the risk speaking of people who probably have some sort 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:19.839 of disease. Actually, you know, I say that I kind 0:03:19.840 --> 0:03:22.800 of brought you all here on false pretenses because normally 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:25.040 this is a podcast about the very worst people in 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:27.200 all of history. But every now and then we talk 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:30.160 about a hero, and today we're talking about the man 0:03:30.240 --> 0:03:33.120 who might be my hero. Do you know who Brian 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:37.480 Johnson is. Well, he might be better known by his 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:44.880 other name, the Liver King. Oh that's oh yeah, oh yeah. 0:03:44.880 --> 0:03:46.960 We got a lot of videos. We got a lot 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:51.720 of videos cued up for you. Motherfucker's so strapping. Okay, wait, wait, 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:53.840 first of all, let me explain to the crowd who 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.560 may not know me, even though I am the San 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.280 Franciscan and you should fucking know me by now. But 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.360 it is a small town. It is a small town. 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:05.640 But I am a liver doctor. I am a jogist. 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:08.240 So the fact that some guy had the gall to 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.360 call himself the liver King when I was a fucking 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:14.560 round is is apollo. It is. There's a lot that 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.600 will be appalling about this episode, but we got to 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.680 get into it because time is of the understand So. 0:04:22.120 --> 0:04:25.320 Brian Johnson, which is the Liver King's real name, was 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.280 born on April seventh, nineteen seventy seven, in San Antonio, Texas. 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:33.000 Probably basically all the information we have this guy on 0:04:33.040 --> 0:04:35.839 this guy about his early life comes from interviews that 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:40.440 he gave or comments he made on various grindset influencer podcasts. 0:04:41.320 --> 0:04:43.520 He is a professional liar, so this should all be 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.480 taken with a grain of salt. Now. Brian has claimed 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.479 that his father died when he was young, which left 0:04:48.520 --> 0:04:51.359 him without strong male guidance for years and contributed to 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.480 feelings of insecurity that were exacerbated by the bullying of 0:04:54.480 --> 0:04:57.840 other kids at his school. Yeah, that may or may 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:00.719 not be true. There's some speculation and on Reddit that 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:03.160 he had family money as the result of a furniture store, 0:05:03.279 --> 0:05:07.360 and there is a prominent Texas, Louisiana furniture chain named Johnson, 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.880 but that's also a pretty common name. Yeah, he seems 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:12.359 like he'd be involved with like wood. Yeah, it seems 0:05:12.360 --> 0:05:14.440 like there's what he does. He does have the skin 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:19.560 texture of a nice piece of cured oak. So Brian 0:05:19.680 --> 0:05:22.520 himself makes two claims about his childhood. The first is 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:24.960 that he was bullied constantly. He describes his life as 0:05:24.960 --> 0:05:27.400 a kid as a living hell, adding I was the 0:05:27.480 --> 0:05:30.680 only one of my kind at my school. I think 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:35.360 that means short person, which doesn't seem likely. I made 0:05:35.400 --> 0:05:38.039 matters to make matters worse for myself. I was undersized, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.280 I look funny. I did. I looked funny. I didn't 0:05:40.320 --> 0:05:42.800 have a single friend, and I had absolutely no concept 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:45.160 of self worth with Chay, I got bullied too as 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.400 a kid. That does sound rough. He got the you know, 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:50.880 says that he got beat up a lot, but he 0:05:50.960 --> 0:05:53.719 also again, I don't know how much to believe this 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:56.359 guy's claims. But the other thing that he claimed that 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.520 he makes about his childhood is that he was an 0:05:58.680 --> 0:06:01.600 entrepreneur from a very young age. He recalls as one 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.640 of his formative events going door to door to sell 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.440 newspapers with his friends, with his friend Peter. I'm gonna 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.480 quote from Brian here. I remember Peter's pitch. He would 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:11.600 knock on the door and go, excuse me, ma'am. You're 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.479 currently subscribed to the San Antonio Light. We would like 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:16.640 for you to renew your subscription. All you have to 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.080 do is pay for Sunday. They'd say, oh, hey, you've 0:06:19.080 --> 0:06:20.760 called me. This isn't going to work out. We're not 0:06:20.760 --> 0:06:22.960 going to renew. And Peter would say, ma'am, can we 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.719 come in and get a glass of water? And you 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.880 know then he'd say, ma'am, we're little kids. We're just 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:28.680 trying to make a buck. Do you think you could 0:06:28.720 --> 0:06:30.760 help us out? And almost all of the time it 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.760 worked out. So there you go. Yeah, from a start, 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.080 can we stop for a second. That's a lot of 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:37.880 paper in your hand. It is a lot of paper. 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.039 Were doing all of that? No? No, I printed two 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.599 copies in case I lost one. I drink very heavily 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:46.000 at the airport. Oh my goodness, I got it because 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:49.960 I fly. Yeah, yeah, you fly. I know. It's there's 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.800 only one way to fly, and that's scammered. Yea yeah, 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:57.680 so uh yeah. If Brian is a reliable source on 0:06:57.720 --> 0:06:59.800 his life and he is not, at some point in 0:06:59.839 --> 0:07:03.039 his adolescence he started lifting weights. He tells a few 0:07:03.120 --> 0:07:05.680 versions of this story, and one he was bullied, but 0:07:05.720 --> 0:07:07.560 the fact that he was bullied was a good thing. 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:09.960 And this is something that he says because it acted 0:07:09.960 --> 0:07:12.600 as a catalyst that allowed him to impose his will, 0:07:12.800 --> 0:07:17.160 his words on his body by lifting weights. Um, which 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.920 is an odd way to describe getting in shape. But 0:07:19.960 --> 0:07:23.600 I guess, you know, so he was a bully. Yeah. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:26.040 My guess is that maybe some of this was turned 0:07:26.040 --> 0:07:29.600 around in reality and he was like those other kids 0:07:29.680 --> 0:07:31.800 by bullying them. You're not going to feel less like 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.760 that after this quote, because here's what he says about 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.640 getting jacked as a teenager. That was my right of 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:39.040 passage and it changed me and forged me into the 0:07:39.080 --> 0:07:43.920 evolutionary hunter, the unrelenting fighter, the serial ancestral entrepreneur that 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:52.920 I am today. Because everyone knows the cavemen, the reason 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:55.240 the Cavemen beat the Neanderthals as they were better at 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:59.360 getting VC funding. Everyone in San Francisco knows that, yeah, obviously, 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:02.480 so The other, more believable version of the story is 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.440 that his mom started dating a guy who had a 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:07.360 weight set and Brian started using it and got results. 0:08:07.360 --> 0:08:09.080 So this guy bought him a bench in some weights 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:11.560 and that was it. Soon Brian was jacked, and he 0:08:11.640 --> 0:08:14.320 noticed that girls at school started paying more attention to 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:17.400 him instead of making fun of him, other boys were jealous. 0:08:17.600 --> 0:08:21.320 The defining moment of his adolescence bear with me here, 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.040 was when one of his friends compared him to Mark Wahlberg, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:28.160 a statement that he says, probably changed my life forever. 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:35.760 And wow, yeah, you shouldn't want to be compared to Mark. No. Look, 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.640 I'm very pro people, you know, getting bit if that's 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:40.880 what they want to do. But don't don't be like 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.560 Mark Wahlberg. Nobody needs Mark Wahlberg. Should be less like 0:08:43.600 --> 0:08:47.600 Mark Wahlberg. We have one photo from him of him 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:49.560 from his late teens or early twenties, and he is 0:08:49.559 --> 0:08:52.800 indeed quite swollen. The photo shows him standing beside a 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:54.920 swimming pool of what I guess is a fairly large 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:58.040 house in the North Texas suburbs. Savor this last photo 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:01.440 of him, Well, that's an likely he's in good shape, 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.679 but he doesn't look That's not like a guy who's 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:06.560 on the shitload of gear or anything. He's not. He's 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:09.400 clearly has no like hair on his body, which I 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.320 find Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean that is a little 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:13.240 bit odd. But I grew up in Texas too, I 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:16.040 get it. You gotta do what you gotta do to 0:09:16.080 --> 0:09:20.000 stay cool down there. Okay, So but that's you know, 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:22.240 he's in very good shape, but he's a pretty normal 0:09:22.320 --> 0:09:25.719 looking person. I would say, like obviously extremely fit, but 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.240 not as he will become someone who was very clearly 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:32.240 putting a car worth of steroids into his body every 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.800 single month. So after he got swoll, Brian started taking 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.880 school more seriously. He got into Texas Tech, a pretty 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.760 good school where he got pretty good grades. He got 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.160 a degree in biochemistry, or, as he said it in 0:09:44.160 --> 0:09:47.280 another interview, a degree in biology and chemistry. I think 0:09:47.280 --> 0:09:51.600 it is a biokimbs. So he got his bachelor's. He 0:09:51.760 --> 0:09:54.240 said he was gunning for a medical degree at some point, 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:56.520 and in one interview with BuzzFeed, he claimed that he 0:09:56.600 --> 0:10:00.839 got into a medical school but dropped out during orientation. No, no, no, 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.520 that's not a thing. That's this is journalism. We're doing 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.520 research live. You don't do that. I mean you drop 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:10.160 out later, but you don't drop out during orientation. You 0:10:10.200 --> 0:10:12.120 stick around and you have the parties, and you go 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:14.400 through the whole thing, and you tell undergrads I'm in 0:10:14.480 --> 0:10:17.240 medical school. And then later you drop out. But you 0:10:17.320 --> 0:10:20.000 don't like to do it during orientation. That's well a 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.400 ways a serial liar. Um, and he does. He claims that. 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:26.319 So at age twenty one, he says he started working 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:29.200 for the pharmaceutical industry as a sales rep. He says 0:10:29.240 --> 0:10:35.720 they scouted him. Um, this is all questionable. Um, I 0:10:35.760 --> 0:10:39.080 don't know, but you know, he says his career as 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.080 a pharmaceutical sales rep quickly led to a lucrative six 0:10:42.160 --> 0:10:45.720 figure salary, which is possible. And if it's possible, there's 0:10:45.760 --> 0:10:48.000 only one product. I think he was probably pushing in 0:10:48.000 --> 0:10:50.040 those years. Given the time. For sure, this guy was 0:10:50.080 --> 0:10:52.600 selling pills. Oh dick pills. I was gonna say opiates. 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:57.320 Oh yeah, yeah, No, for sure he did that too. Yep, yeah, yep, yep, yeah. Um, 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.120 we can I ask you a question, real quick episode, 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.360 So he came from would you say modest means or 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.080 would you say I think he came from like an 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:08.760 upper middle class to like rich background, but it is unclear. Okay, 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:12.920 just real early photos of him, like wait, I'm sorry, 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:19.640 hold on, there's a bingo? Did you? Did? You? Guys 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:26.320 bring your card? Unbelievable slackers, weak fans. The liver King 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:30.800 would never hold on a second, someone born on third 0:11:30.880 --> 0:11:33.719 pretending their self made. Sorry, I'm just checking that off 0:11:33.880 --> 0:11:35.880 right now because I feel like that one, it's gonna 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.360 go down. Yeah. Having come from a similar area to 0:11:39.360 --> 0:11:42.040 where this photo was taken, that's not a tiny house 0:11:42.080 --> 0:11:44.800 back yard, Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, sorry, those are 0:11:44.880 --> 0:11:46.720 more common in Texas. But yeah, I'm gonna guess up 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.400 for medal class at least um. So Brian meets Barbara, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.400 his future wife, in two thousand and four, maybe he's 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:55.360 gonna lie a lot about the year two thousand and four, 0:11:55.400 --> 0:11:57.560 So keep that in your head now. He says he 0:11:57.600 --> 0:11:59.480 was a pretty aimless guy at this point. He was 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.080 snowballing and surfing and by his own admission, refusing to 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:05.600 flush toilets in public restrooms. I don't know why he 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:08.320 gives that detail. I don't know why he gives that detail, 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:11.800 but he does because there's a drought. Because he was 0:12:13.920 --> 0:12:16.559 ever acted as if there's a drought. That is not 0:12:16.720 --> 0:12:19.280 something we do that. I can remember the last summer 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.720 I was there, it didn't rain for eighty days and 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:24.520 had like more than one hundred and fifteen degree temperatures 0:12:24.559 --> 0:12:27.040 for each of those days, and everyone's lawn was green. 0:12:28.120 --> 0:12:32.920 Some of them were on fire, but they were green. So, yeah, 0:12:32.920 --> 0:12:35.839 he meets this He meets this broad Barbara in maybe 0:12:35.880 --> 0:12:38.400 around two thousand and four, and he says that this 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.720 is what convinced him to get more serious about his life. 0:12:40.920 --> 0:12:43.280 And I do think she had an influence on him. 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:45.840 Most sources will note that she was a dentist, which 0:12:45.880 --> 0:12:48.600 is kind of true, but not all the way true, 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:53.760 because what she actually is is a holistic dentist. Yeah, 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:56.760 that's the good stuff. Everybody's tasting that, getting that flavor in. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:13:01.520 Huh Yeah. Yeah. So they open a practice together. He's 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.319 her business manager and she handled the dentistry. Now, Cobb, it, 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:07.360 I know what you're wondering right now. What is a 0:13:07.400 --> 0:13:11.800 holistic dentist? Yeah? I absolutely am It means treating your 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:15.160 patient's teeth and gums with a whole body approach, viewing 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.360 their overall physical and psychological state, rather than just keeping 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.680 your eyes on their mouth. Now, that could be a thing. Yeah, 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:26.800 it might be a thing. There's stuff where like tooth 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.800 pain like can be a sign of a heart attack 0:13:28.880 --> 0:13:31.160 or something. It can be referred right, like, that's a thing. 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.280 I learned that on Frasier. Are you gonna tell me 0:13:33.320 --> 0:13:36.120 that that? Niles Crane Like, to me, you're thinking like 0:13:36.240 --> 0:13:44.560 left arm pain not usually is like cavity like not what? 0:13:44.720 --> 0:13:47.040 That's not what? Season five A Frasier said, Well, I 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.319 mean I'm not going to go against Freck and Frasier 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:54.440 fucking guys. So this this might make casual sense, um, 0:13:54.640 --> 0:13:57.880 but no, a holistic dentistry is more or less nonsense. 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:00.480 So here's the thing. A holistic dentist is not an 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:03.920 actual professional medical term. It is a term any dentists 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.960 can choose to call themselves without any additional formal training. 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.959 Most holistic dentists suppose the use of fluoridated toothpaste, which 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.200 is dumb and unscientific. They also have a tendency to 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.800 urge patients to replace cavity fillings made with amalgam on 0:14:17.840 --> 0:14:20.680 the logic that that contains mercury and is unhealthy. Now, 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:23.040 amalgam has been replaced by a lot of dentists with 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.520 better options, but all dentists will agree that if you 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.520 have perfectly good fillings, it is an ethical for someone 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:32.440 to tell you to take those out and put in 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:36.320 new ones for no reason, which is what holistic dentists 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.160 do a lot. It's not great. Now. More fucked up 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:41.360 is the fact that holistic dentists tend to obsess over 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:44.920 stuff like detoxification, which is not a thing, and urge 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:47.760 their patients to take up weird, bespoke diets to fix 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:51.360 their teeth. Traditionally, vegan diets were advised, which is at 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:54.560 least probably not unhealthy. You can have a perfectly healthy 0:14:54.640 --> 0:14:57.600 vegan diet, but nowadays a lot of them have gone 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:01.880 for the carnivore diet, which is a little bit more problematic. 0:15:02.080 --> 0:15:05.920 Let me just real quick, hold on, I wasn't expecting 0:15:05.960 --> 0:15:08.440 to get to this so early in the episode. Okay, okay, okay, 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:16.040 what are we hitting? Unqualified medical advice and I I'm 0:15:16.080 --> 0:15:17.960 just gonna just get this one out of the way now. 0:15:18.080 --> 0:15:21.880 Makes cove sad. Yeah. Oh, this next one's gonna make 0:15:21.880 --> 0:15:23.680 you a lot sadder, because I want to quote from 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.200 an article on holistic dentistry by McGill University. You guys 0:15:27.280 --> 0:15:34.360 might remember from the CIA episodes. Um, that's exactly right, 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.320 that's where all those horrible experiments were held. Good here, 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:40.720 whoever that was, you're you're jetting this if we're hitting 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:45.320 them all today. Baby, These practitioners don't believe in doing 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:49.000 root canals, alleging serious health risk by sealing bacteria at 0:15:49.080 --> 0:15:52.400 root end while opting for ineffective therapy or extraction. Some 0:15:53.280 --> 0:15:57.160 recommend removing perfectly functional, asymptomatic teeth with root canals and 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:03.040 replacing them with more biocompatible and costly implants. No, that's problematic. Now. 0:16:03.400 --> 0:16:06.520 I don't know precisely what kind of wushit Barbara got into, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:08.760 but based on the information we have, I kind of 0:16:08.800 --> 0:16:12.080 suspect that Brian's interest in alternative medicine starts when they 0:16:12.080 --> 0:16:15.200 get married, because she is professionally into it, and he's 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:20.080 going to get increasingly into it as he grows older. Now, 0:16:20.880 --> 0:16:23.880 about five years in Brian and Barbara owned the building 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:25.720 that their practice was in and they were making, by 0:16:25.760 --> 0:16:28.600 Brian's claims, about five million a year in revenue from 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:31.320 this and a couple of other businesses that Brian had started. 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:33.960 We don't know what all of those businesses were, but 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.560 by the late oughts he had started selling nutritional supplements. 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.560 Now that's an industry that never causes bastards, right, the 0:16:41.680 --> 0:16:47.480 supplement industry. It's well regulated, it's not entirely a con 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.920 run by the State of Utah. It's all good stuff. Sarcasm, 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:57.120 that sarcasm. I know. Brian's primary business was ancestral supplements, 0:16:57.160 --> 0:16:59.840 and it seems to have started in twenty sixteen, although 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:02.360 the first way back machine capture of it's in twenty 0:17:02.680 --> 0:17:08.439 seventeen and lensk There we go, can we get that 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:13.119 picture up? There we go? So this is what they're selling. 0:17:13.160 --> 0:17:17.400 These are pills of grass fed beef organs now from 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:19.959 New Zealand. Well, of course, the best cows come from 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.639 New Zealand, and the best organs come from the best cows. 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:25.160 And the best way to eat organs is in a pill. 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:31.600 That's how I eat my organs. So this product was 0:17:31.640 --> 0:17:33.880 built as a way to get the massive health benefits 0:17:33.920 --> 0:17:36.240 of eating organ meat without showing down on all of 0:17:36.280 --> 0:17:39.440 those pesky organs. Here is how the website described the 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:43.640 benefits of eating organs. Traditional people's, Native Americans and early 0:17:43.680 --> 0:17:46.359 ancestral healers knew that eating the organs from a healthy 0:17:46.400 --> 0:17:49.120 animal would strengthen and support the health of the corresponding 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:52.240 organ of the individual. For instance, the traditional way of 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:54.240 treating a person with a weak heart was to feed 0:17:54.280 --> 0:17:57.120 the person the heart of a healthy animal. Similarly, eating 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.479 the kidneys of a healthy animal was believed to support 0:17:59.640 --> 0:18:03.240 urine ailments and overall kidney health. Pancreas was fed to 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.160 people with digestive problems, and spleen was fed to people 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:16.680 with immune and blood deficiencies. What so, people, how many 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:19.320 organs should I be eating every day? Is my question? 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:21.840 This is where I'm gonna for a moment, if I 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:24.560 could have a real moment with you, for a little 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:29.119 education on something. Whenever you hear a medical type thing, 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:33.720 whether it's like Gwyneth Paltrow or the Liver King, and 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:37.120 they use the words ancestral or ancient and they're trying 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:40.560 to sell you something, it is automatically known to be bullshit. 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.720 It is like the top tower Tower isn't ancestral. It 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:50.600 is not ancestral. It's not it's not. I mean, that 0:18:50.840 --> 0:18:53.640 is a selling point that drives me fucking crazy every 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.080 time I hear it. Yeah, the reality like organ meets 0:18:56.240 --> 0:18:59.280 have a lot of valuable nutrients send them um, But 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:02.119 also eating a ton of meat has a lot of 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:05.800 health consequences to you as well. That's correct. Yeah, in like, well, 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:07.600 I'm sure we're going to get into this. Yeah, fucking 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:11.159 ad nauseum. But like, well, all meat diet is not 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:13.719 what I would have amend you say that. But I 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.080 have a quote here about how all of this nourishing 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.440 tradition is backed by science. And this is a very 0:19:19.520 --> 0:19:23.840 science e quote. Radioisotopic labeling studies and animals have shown 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:27.520 conclusively that when eaton organs and glands selectively travel to 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:32.480 the corresponding organs and glands and high concentrations now covet. 0:19:32.760 --> 0:19:35.720 This research done at the University of Scotland and Edinburgh, 0:19:35.880 --> 0:19:38.639 lends credence to the ancient practice of eating animal organs 0:19:38.640 --> 0:19:41.359 to help ensure health and once corresponding organs. And that's 0:19:41.400 --> 0:19:46.680 from doctor Ron Schmidt. Indeed, never heard of him. It's 0:19:46.720 --> 0:19:48.760 absolute horror. Do not know what an India is like, 0:19:49.119 --> 0:19:52.960 I've heard of it and you're making me so sad, yeah, 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:57.439 so angry, and it's just you know, I swear it's 0:19:57.720 --> 0:19:59.680 not all I mean. I could have made so much 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.160 more money. You could. You could have made a lot 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:04.000 more We both could have made a lot more money. 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:07.640 My retirement plan is to just say I've been canceled 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:13.120 and start working for I don't know, Stephen Crowder or somebody. So, 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:15.639 um comment, would it help you out to know that 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:18.640 doctor Ron Schmidt was a natural path and militant raw 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:25.119 milk activists. I found his obituary from twenty seventeen and 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:28.439 it notes he covered in depth the difficult history of 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:31.400 raw milk in the US, arguing that even though raw 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:34.800 milk was responsible for many illnesses during the eighteen hundreds 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:38.520 and early nineteen hundreds, it was also unfairly savaged by 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.560 the emerging pasteurized milk industry. To eliminate raw milk is 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:46.960 a competitive threat. Ye. Look, yes, thousands of babies shot 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:52.880 themselves to death, but but what about the pasteurized milk industry? 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:59.280 What about big milk? So the first version of the 0:20:59.320 --> 0:21:02.800 ancestral Supplement's website doesn't make a huge deal about liver, 0:21:03.160 --> 0:21:05.879 but it does call it the body super food and 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:09.720 Nature's this is funny only meaningful source of vitamin A. 0:21:11.600 --> 0:21:15.840 You can't get it anywhere else if you're not eating liver. Now, Tomatoes, 0:21:15.960 --> 0:21:20.760 kail eggs, cantle, open fish oils, that's all have a 0:21:20.760 --> 0:21:23.840 lot of vitamin A in them. Carrots have betakerotene, which 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:26.439 is which is a precursor to vitamin A. More to 0:21:26.440 --> 0:21:29.920 the point, vitamin A deficiency is a serious health condition, 0:21:30.200 --> 0:21:32.800 but it pretty much doesn't exist in the United States 0:21:32.800 --> 0:21:36.840 outside of weirdos who have weird diets. Um not all 0:21:36.880 --> 0:21:39.160 weirds some people. Obviously there's actual health conditions, but it's 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.280 extremely important. It's more of a thing in like parts 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:44.440 of the world that have less access to a good 0:21:44.480 --> 0:21:47.200 food supply and people are like legitimately starving. I don't 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:50.879 like it when you know medicine like that. Well, I know, 0:21:51.000 --> 0:21:54.440 I know lots of medicine. I feel uncomfortable when you're 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:57.520 like right about I'm I'm I'm stuff. I'm an expert 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.640 on all sorts of medicine. Stuff I hate too hates sorry. 0:22:02.920 --> 0:22:06.520 I am a reverend doctor Jersey, I am an actual 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:10.560 doctor who is or why Universal Life Church I am 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:15.040 a reverend doctor. This guy is it's a fucking podcaster. Well, 0:22:15.240 --> 0:22:18.919 I will just say, have Coves sign an autograph for 0:22:19.000 --> 0:22:21.280 you after the show, and then just write vicot and 0:22:21.320 --> 0:22:24.919 on that fucker and you're good to go. He found 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:32.920 the loophole. That's probably how it works, right yeah. Um anyway, 0:22:33.160 --> 0:22:36.840 so uh yeah, Obviously vitamin a efficiency is serious when 0:22:36.840 --> 0:22:39.359