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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome, and I'm Doug Goli. Been this well. This

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Speaker 1: is is Almos Part two of our discussion with Brian bo. Look,

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Speaker 1: there's lots of stuff in here about playing overseas. I

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Speaker 1: think one of the big things that those of us

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Speaker 1: who play their no. Is one, there's guys you've never

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Speaker 1: heard of. They get better too. The culture is very different.

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Speaker 1: Three every country. They asked Americans to play a little

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Speaker 1: bit differently. The style itself is different. There's there's just

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Speaker 1: so many parts to it which are really interesting. You know,

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Speaker 1: so many parts to it which are interesting. But I

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Speaker 1: thought you'd appreciate this because this is really how it

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Speaker 1: works in terms of how many different UH teams are

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Speaker 1: gonna play, on the feeling of it, and how very

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Speaker 1: very difficult it is for people to to to get

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Speaker 1: a feeling and feel like they belong when sometimes you

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Speaker 1: show up and the coach doesn't even want you, somebody

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Speaker 1: else wants you, or somebody else becomes available. All right,

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Speaker 1: take a listen to part two that als of travel

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Speaker 1: and non NBA basketball with me and Brian Butch So

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Speaker 1: we pretty much covered the college right, Yeah, you get

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Speaker 1: you go. What summer league with the Grizzlies summer leagues

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Speaker 1: with the Grizzlies for and that situation just wasn't a

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Speaker 1: good situation, right coming on college summerly you want to play.

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Speaker 1: I didn't play a whole lot, so I didn't have

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Speaker 1: a lot of opportunities to do what you know, what

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to do in summerly. Um, it was I

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Speaker 1: signed with the with an agent, um, but I kind

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Speaker 1: of knew a little bit, had a relationship trusted let's

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Speaker 1: let's let's have this discussion. Because I don't think people

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Speaker 1: and what's what what I don't know how to be

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Speaker 1: construed because I don't know if if there's ever been

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Speaker 1: a discussion by two people like guys who went through

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Speaker 1: this process, like I could really kind of help you,

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Speaker 1: but I don't want to. I'm not trying to talk

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Speaker 1: about another about an Asian, right and just this is okay.

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Speaker 1: So so you're playing your senior year at Wisconsin. UM,

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Speaker 1: did you at what point did you have an agent discussion?

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Speaker 1: I remember a little bit when where mine was. So

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Speaker 1: when did you not till you're done playing? While you're playing, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well I was done playing. There was there was a

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Speaker 1: guy that was doing the TV self, um that would

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Speaker 1: come out to games as TV. And then he turned

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Speaker 1: himself into an agent, and then we started having conversations.

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Speaker 1: I I interviewed five agents after school, um, just to

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Speaker 1: try to get a feel. Do you ever trust an agent?

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Speaker 1: I mean the answer to that is no, Like I

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Speaker 1: a guy you need to to sugarcoat stuff with like

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Speaker 1: you just need to be honest with me, where some

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Speaker 1: guys I understand you need to do that, Like I didn't.

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Speaker 1: You need to tell me if I was good or not.

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Speaker 1: The contract was gonna speak if I was good enough,

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Speaker 1: like if I got enough money to play, I was

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Speaker 1: gonna okay, I'm good. But so the first agent I

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, who was name? Oh the game was Scott

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Speaker 1: was one of those things that I said, Okay, I'll

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Speaker 1: um and it just didn't work out. Like I actually

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Speaker 1: general manager's office. Yes, a trial, I said, hold up,

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Speaker 1: a trial. I'm not doing a trial, like you can

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Speaker 1: give me a plane back home. My agent at that time,

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Speaker 1: Scott and his group never told me it wasn't it

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Speaker 1: I said, this is what it is. But I knew

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Speaker 1: that day. Well why why Memphis? Why not a team

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Speaker 1: thank you right at that At that point, as a

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Speaker 1: you know, so a guy named build McCandless inner performances

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Speaker 1: people that you know, in hindsight, probably would have been better.

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Speaker 1: Like you try and find a guy who represents Do

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Speaker 1: you find a guy who represents people like you? Right?

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Speaker 1: Players like you were like, oh, well, he's the point

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Speaker 1: Herbert doy and Herb was like the biggest inner performance

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Speaker 1: my plan was I was going to go and play

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Speaker 1: I came out. I played in the USPL. I didn't

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Speaker 1: bad news. Bad news is there's no spouses or girlfriends

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Speaker 1: and I have the Yugoslavian coach and you Slavin coaches

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Speaker 1: don't like small point guards, right, and there's already an

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Speaker 1: and I so I have to then I'm supposed to

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Speaker 1: I flew back two the Lakers. They had a mini camp.

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Speaker 1: And again this is not my agent. This is like

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Speaker 1: working out, go to Israel, and this is the kicker.

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Speaker 1: This is where like you know, your agents, that suck.

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Speaker 1: So I'm Jewish And for people who don't understand, um,

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Speaker 1: is like it's like a birthright. You would be automatically

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Speaker 1: be a citizen in Israel. Everyone who's Jewish has told this, right, Like,

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Speaker 1: Like they recruit like no other right there. They're unbelievable

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Speaker 1: entire time I was there, Like I literally like, hey,

426
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 1: we don't need to draw any cash, like here's our

427
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:14,240
Speaker 1: cash the rest of the time, and uh yeah. And

428
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 1: then my we won the championship and they had like

429
00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 1: a victory parade, but they had given out so many

430
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,800
Speaker 1: cash bonuses that like we don't have. I think it

431
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: was like a or thirty grand cash bonus, and they

432
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 1: were like all we have is eighteen thousand. And it

433
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,119
Speaker 1: was the end of June, and Summer League was like

434
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,400
Speaker 1: starting like in two days, and I had a spot

435
00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 1: in the lake here summer because anybody plays seven and

436
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:46,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, funk, I gotta go, like you wait, stays celebrate.

437
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 1: I was like, now mount so one we put we

438
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 1: put the extra cash in our shoes right, because when

439
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: you get to Moscow though, they want taxes right put

440
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: in your shoes. I then too, they were like, don't leave.

441
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 1: You won't get the rest of your cash. You'll never

442
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,280
Speaker 1: see it. Kiss that fucking money, goodbye. You know what?

443
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: You know what I got all my money from? Really? Yes?

444
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 1: I like like it was like two weeks later and

445
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,480
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I like, you know, got like

446
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,400
Speaker 1: two out or something. It looked like where else money

447
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 1: come from? Yeah? And then I called the bank that

448
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,639
Speaker 1: like you got a wire from something in Russia. I

449
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, so yes, it's okay, So

450
00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: you get jen Zu. You're going home now, you fly

451
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: getting back to Beijing and then all the way home.

452
00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:39,360
Speaker 1: So this is still fall after your after my first

453
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 1: year out of college, still falls at that time. Then

454
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 1: I ended up going to Germany and I played for

455
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 1: a small team called Nerdlying and I actually went to

456
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: Rummer Hobbin. And at this point it was December, No,

457
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,719
Speaker 1: it was November, right before Thanksgiving. I went. I had

458
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: a tryout for Brummer Hobbing. At this point, you didn't

459
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 1: do tryouts. I don't do trouts well in November, not

460
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: having a job, I sure did it changed real quick

461
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 1: because you're like, how react the whole time? That's what

462
00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: it was. So I go to Bremer and knowing that

463
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,680
Speaker 1: I've got another team that's interested as well. So I

464
00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,639
Speaker 1: got two teams in Germany, so I can kind of

465
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 1: pick and choose a little bit. So I knew, like,

466
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 1: I'll go to bremerhome in first, I don't know if

467
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: it's gonna work out. Like it's way up north in Germany.

468
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: It's freezing cold. The team sucks like it's bad. It's

469
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 1: he grew up in Appleton, Wisconsin. The weather. This is

470
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: differently every day of my life. This was different though,

471
00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: Like it just was. I walked down that this is

472
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: not a good place at all. So I got on

473
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:53,840
Speaker 1: a train, went down to this small town in nerdly

474
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 1: like they picked me up with the whole coaching staff.

475
00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:59,400
Speaker 1: Their team picks me up like they're like, we want

476
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: you to be here, we want you like because this

477
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: team that their whole thing was they wanted to stay

478
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: in the top division. This had been a small team

479
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: that had been in Division three, Division two. Now they

480
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: finally got to the top division. Like we just want

481
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: to stay. We don't need to win a lot of games,

482
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 1: but we just want to stay in the top. And

483
00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:19,000
Speaker 1: I was like, all right, and if you guys really

484
00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: want me that bad, let's let's do this. So I

485
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 1: stayed in newlyn Um and it was a situation where

486
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: like I loved it. Like the coach, one of the

487
00:26:27,680 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 1: assistant coaches, his mom was willing to teach like German.

488
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: To me, It's like I'd go over to her house

489
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: in Russia too, exactly, I'd go over to their house,

490
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: She'd make dinner. I'd learned German. Like. I was like,

491
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: if I'm gonna do it, let's do it. So like

492
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: you go all in with that stuff. We had some

493
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 1: we had some players, um, not guys that anybody would

494
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,560
Speaker 1: know of, um, but just like small school guys. Um,

495
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,800
Speaker 1: Danny gives him a little point guard um omar. And

496
00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to forget Daniel Gibson Gibson. Right, No, well,

497
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: not that Danny Gibson. I mean not not no, not

498
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: that Danny Gibson. Danny gives it from a little a

499
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,680
Speaker 1: little division to school. Um. But he ended up playing

500
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: like thirteen years over there. They find a niche and

501
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: they get confident, they get better, they're good exactly, know

502
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 1: how to play that type of game. So who's who's

503
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: the coach? Uh, Andrew Andres Wagner and he just kind

504
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,399
Speaker 1: of he's been doing a whole bunch of different you know,

505
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: he's still coaching in Germany. But he was a young

506
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: coach and we just I mean like it was a

507
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,879
Speaker 1: bunch of guys that just played and we ended up

508
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: like so we were bottom or we were above the

509
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,159
Speaker 1: team Brummer Hobbin. We ended up beating Bremmer Hobbin the

510
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: last game this season. We stay in the league, we

511
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:48,920
Speaker 1: get I get the bonus for staying in the league

512
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: and all those other things. Like it was it was

513
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 1: a good fit for me. I needed it because it

514
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:56,360
Speaker 1: was a situation where like, again I don't do trouts.

515
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: My first thing, I did trouts to get a job.

516
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,960
Speaker 1: So like that's what it like, it was. It was

517
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 1: great um, and I think that's kind of like I

518
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 1: learned that like what overseas basketball was like like in

519
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 1: China was like still play college basketball. Hey, great shop,

520
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,640
Speaker 1: but you know, kick it one more time. It's gonna

521
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: come back to It's not coming back to you, and

522
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 1: guess what, they're not paying you for it to come

523
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 1: back to you. They're paying you to go get buckets now. Um.

524
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 1: And I learned that in Germany, So I was. I

525
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: felt good. And then the next summer was in Summer

526
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: Lea again. This time it was with Milwaukee and it

527
00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,239
Speaker 1: wasn't a great set up there either because they had

528
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 1: just drafted Joe Alexander like they they there was no

529
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: playing time. Um, I still went. I still did it,

530
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:45,880
Speaker 1: but it was one of those where I was like,

531
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 1: this is a wasted summer, so let's go overseas again.

532
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: So I end up going to Greece. Um had a good, good,

533
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 1: good deal. Um Tossos was is the owner that the

534
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 1: guy's name was Tassas. And I'll always remember it because

535
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: the owner was shady as could be. Right, Like, So

536
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:09,880
Speaker 1: I get to Greece. There's no internet, there's nothing. There's

537
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: a whole holiday, like, there's the whole month of August

538
00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:15,520
Speaker 1: is a holiday, the whole month holiday holiday. So I

539
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 1: got no way, I got nothing. I'm over there just

540
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: trying to figure this thing out, trying to understand what

541
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 1: it is. Our coach doesn't speak any English. We got

542
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: an assistant coach a somewhat spoke English. And I'll remember

543
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: this to this day because they I left in November,

544
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,840
Speaker 1: they brought it was me, Brent Pettway, former Michigan guy,

545
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 1: and they brought back Oh my goodness, they brought a

546
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: dude from illinoisan um to replace me. And I had

547
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: gone had three double doubles in a row. But the problem,

548
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: the reason they were replacing me is they couldn't pay me,

549
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,920
Speaker 1: so I had I was not getting any of my money.

550
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: So this was we were. It was coming to a

551
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: head now during this time, like this club didn't have

552
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: a lot of money. We were Honestly, we had practice

553
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: one time in the gym. The roof was leaky, and

554
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 1: they put buckets on the floor and then they said, well,

555
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: just practice around the buckets, like don't worry about them,

556
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: like go five on five, but don't worry about them,

557
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: like just don't knock them down because then we gotta

558
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: stop practice and clean up the floor. And now I'm

559
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 1: coming from Big ten Cole Center, like that's what I

560
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: you expect, And then you go overseas and it's like

561
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: you want me to practice around the buckets. That's why.

562
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,719
Speaker 1: That's why dudes can't, man, that's why dudes can't make

563
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: it exactly they can't make it exactly young when you

564
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: start hanging your ship on a hook. Ye, you've been

565
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 1: in these college locker rooms, You're like, whoa, what what

566
00:30:45,120 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: am I doing here? Ye? What am I doing here?

567
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 1: Um So he's keeping with all of this, right, So

568
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing all of this. I realized that it's we're

569
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: going our own ways. But I need to get my

570
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: money because if I don't give my money, I'm not

571
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: coming home with it, like I literally, So they let

572
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,720
Speaker 1: me go and I'm forgetting um Way Carter Carter. Carter

573
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: was the guy from Illinois, my like we have played

574
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: against each other. He came to replace me. I bought

575
00:31:12,400 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: a ticket to go to the game in Greece, so

576
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: they have released me. I bought a ticket to go

577
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: watch the game, and I acted like I was part

578
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 1: of the team at halftime because the owner was there

579
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: in the locker room. I walked in with the team

580
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 1: with street clothes and I said, give me. I bought

581
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: a ticket. Bought a ticket so I could get into

582
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: the game because I need to see the owner because

583
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: the owner was dodging me. Man, I go to his office.

584
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,120
Speaker 1: Oh he's not here, tosslo, No here Tasslo. What do

585
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 1: you mean Tossl's here? Right? Here's Tassel's car. You mean

586
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:44,200
Speaker 1: Tassl's isn't here? Like he's right here? Like I know

587
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: he's no, no, no here. Okay, all right, So I

588
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 1: buy a ticket. I go in the locker room, Tosslo's

589
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: is there. My man becomes white as a ghost, and

590
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: I said, give me my bleeping money. I said, I'm

591
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: done playing games. Give me my money in from the

592
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: locker room. The coach, the players, now the Americans, pet way,

593
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: these guys they're just laughing because like they know what

594
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:08,920
Speaker 1: it's great, Yeah, exactly, like they're laughing. I'm like, that's fine.

595
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: I'm getting something from you. I'm getting my money before

596
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 1: I leave. Like so I got my money and got

597
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: in the plane and left. The next two days I

598
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: had my money and I was out the door hysterical.

599
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: Did you get hooked on that nest cafe when you're

600
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: in Is that what they do in Greece where they

601
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: whip up the instant in nest cafe and they whipped

602
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:31,239
Speaker 1: up and put a bunch of sugar milk in there?

603
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: Do you get hooked on that? Always? That's all we

604
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: didn't have one practice, they took us to a coffee shop.

605
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 1: Dog like that was practice, Like, you know what coffee shop?

606
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 1: Coffee shop? What do you mean a coffee show? We're

607
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 1: supposed to practice to that. No, no coffee shop, so

608
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,520
Speaker 1: we all ways to coffee shop. I never forget. So

609
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: what I wasted my year in Israel? I had a

610
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: coach who his name is Sharon drew Ker, and he

611
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 1: had coached miles like the year before in Ranana and

612
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: miles of him and kind of butted ahead some and

613
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: you know, they were so stupid and slow in their

614
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: negotiations after night eleven that I end up by the

615
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: time I agreed to a deal was like one day

616
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: after the day to register, so I couldn't play the

617
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 1: first four games. Right, So there's a couple of different

618
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 1: stories that are really good. I'll give you the one though,

619
00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: in terms of the interaction with the coach was after

620
00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 1: like he's like, good to leave. You have very smart basketball.

621
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: You'll come with coaching, like coaching staff. First four games,

622
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: it's like cool, right, so you know it, it sounds

623
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: like the coolest thing ever where, Like I think I

624
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: would be in the coaches meetings and then I'd go

625
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 1: warm up, but I couldn't. I couldn't play, So then

626
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: at halftime I'd been he hasked one being the coaches

627
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 1: meetings and then you know, sometimes I would give an

628
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: opinion whatever, and then after games I'd go to coffee

629
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 1: with the coaches, right, and uh, it actually end up

630
00:34:02,600 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: being a bad thing because she was like professor if

631
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: you know more than us when I started playing for him, like, hey, dude,

632
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: you're the one who like trying to make me feel

633
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 1: like I was a coach. We would you want to

634
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 1: make you feel like a part of the team, Like

635
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: why did you invite me to the country ship when

636
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:17,759
Speaker 1: you're talking about all the players? Then you know, when

637
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: I share my thoughts as a player, you're like, I

638
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: know too much? So coaches and I and I will

639
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: tell you that yourne ran one of my favorite practices

640
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:31,719
Speaker 1: because all we did was play right, Like all of

641
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: his teaching was within playing, which I really liked because

642
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: I mean, like you get past the point of breakdown drills,

643
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 1: like all right, you know, I just tell me where

644
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 1: you want me to be, and TIM want to be

645
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:44,319
Speaker 1: all right, what's one, what's two, what's three? We run

646
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: horns or it's just we're running. Just just tell me

647
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: I can. I can figure the ship out. Um, okay,

648
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: So you get home from Greece, get home from Greece

649
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,120
Speaker 1: and that you're like, fucking I'm staying state side. Yeah, yo,

650
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 1: Like I was like, I'm done, like I've done chasing money,

651
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: I'm done with the headaches, like I haven't had a

652
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 1: good experience. I'm just gonna try the league, like the

653
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: DE League at this point, like I'm just you know what,

654
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: like and at this point, you know, the D League

655
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: was not a good thing, Like it wasn't what it

656
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: is now Like it was like but I knew, like

657
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: I knew if I did what I was supposed to do,

658
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: it sent me up for a good summer league, which

659
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,880
Speaker 1: would then set me up for a good overseas and

660
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 1: then we would see what happened exactly just a quick

661
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: you know and do it. Well, you went to the

662
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 1: you went to the D League in that season, in

663
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: that season, yep. So I went there right before Christmas. Um, yeah,

664
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: they didn't won a game. They were will void. Yep,

665
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,880
Speaker 1: you can coach. He still he's still doing this thing.

666
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: I think in uh he's he's he's in Germany right now,

667
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: with bo yep. So I go there. They hadn't won

668
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 1: a game. First game there, I hit a game winner.

669
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: You would have thought that the lot like I did

670
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: something like I was like, this is what happened, Like okay,

671
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 1: now whatever, so but the best thing is I'm glad

672
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: you know Will then so you Will is a little

673
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 1: testy at times, and I'm a little testy like and

674
00:36:16,200 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: so we got to the showcase and we sat down

675
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: and had a great breakfast. But I told himself, I

676
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 1: don't think we're doing things right like and like we

677
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:27,160
Speaker 1: just had a real coach and he goes, you know

678
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: you're not good enough for the NBA right now, and

679
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 1: like it was, I loved it, Like I was like

680
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 1: thank you because I'm a guy that crazy honesty. I

681
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 1: want to be coach. I want to just tell me

682
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: just be real, like just coming to deal right way

683
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:42,800
Speaker 1: I've done been. There's way too long for you to

684
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 1: blow smoke up as exactly. And after that it clicked,

685
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 1: like it clicked for me, like I need to rebound

686
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 1: the basketball and I need to continue to score and

687
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: do what I'm doing. But if I rebound now, now

688
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 1: guys are looking at me like all right, like he

689
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 1: could do something on the defense than for us, and

690
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,799
Speaker 1: he can stretch the floor. So all right, So by

691
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:03,799
Speaker 1: the time we get done playing the G League. At

692
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: by that time I get done playing the D League.

693
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 1: I was a D League U m v P in

694
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 1: the All Star Game, and then I got called up

695
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 1: by the Nuggets. All within six months, I go from

696
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:17,279
Speaker 1: being released and fight for money. Within five to six

697
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:19,920
Speaker 1: months later, signed an NBA deal with another Like it was,

698
00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: it was nuts, like it just and it just was

699
00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 1: all because it just clicked. So that was to me,

700
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: that was the best thing that I did at that

701
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,759
Speaker 1: point in my career. Then I go to Denver, I

702
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: blow up my knee. I've got to rehab for fifteen months.

703
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: My first time I played is when I try to

704
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: make the Pan American team for Team USA. Coach Nope,

705
00:37:44,120 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: Um native Its was the coach they had, yep, exactly

706
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 1: him and Dale Osborne, who they're both on Portland's staff now,

707
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: um they were the coach of the pan EDGEGA. So

708
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: we went down to tell USA, got a bunch of

709
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: the guys and we played the Panema game. I made

710
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: the squad. First time I played, had a real lot

711
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: of competition in fifteen months with money. So and then

712
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: it was we came back. Yeah, we finished start, finished third.

713
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 1: We got was your favorite person on that team? We

714
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: had Blake ahor a Hoorn, who else? We have Nison Um,

715
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,440
Speaker 1: we had a bunch of Moses him Bay. We had

716
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: a bunch of dudes that were like, it's just your

717
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,160
Speaker 1: favorite person. I'm not talking a player. Who was your

718
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,680
Speaker 1: favorite person? Um? Because everybody, because everybody, it's like Noah's ark,

719
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: like everybody goes off in twos, right A little bit, yeah,

720
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: a little bit like this this was different because literally

721
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: at the like the team center we were at, we

722
00:38:45,120 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 1: were all on the same like building. We had what

723
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: country was in Guadalajara, Mexico. So we had like four

724
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: guys sleeping in the same room type deal. Like it

725
00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 1: was nuts, Like it was crazy. Like it was like

726
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:02,239
Speaker 1: so you're like like what's your best parson? Like we

727
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: had four guys in one room, four guys in the

728
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 1: next room down the hall of four guys, four guys.

729
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,040
Speaker 1: So like the whole team was in two like two

730
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: different rooms because they were two big rooms. So like

731
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 1: like we were to close with every I said Blake Ahearn,

732
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:16,439
Speaker 1: probably the guy that like we had connected with because

733
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: I had played with him in Bakersfield earlier with them,

734
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 1: so like we had, you know, kind of one of

735
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: those deals. Um okay um. And then you went to

736
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: when did you go to Puerto Rico? So I went

737
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: to Puerto Rico after so I went to we played

738
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: in that it was the lockout year. Um. Then I

739
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,400
Speaker 1: went to New Orleans. So we had played. I went

740
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 1: to Bakersfield, played two games or two or three games

741
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:42,480
Speaker 1: in Bakersfield, and then the lockout ended. Soon you went

742
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: to training camp and I played. That's when I tore

743
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:47,200
Speaker 1: my m c l and Betel on the other need.

744
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: Then that following you, that's when I or that summer

745
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: I went to Puerto Rico. Then and you talked about it.

746
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: You know how it goes. You get on the flight.

747
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: It went not a super long flight, but four or

748
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: five hours. I'm seven feet tall. I did get first

749
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 1: first class on this one. I learned like, okay, let's

750
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: you know, let's do this. But then I get in

751
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 1: to the airport at five o'clock. Tip is at seven

752
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,520
Speaker 1: They've got me playing in the game, and and and

753
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: and tell me if I'm wrong. But like those spring leagues,

754
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: Puerto Rico, Venezuela. I don't know about Philippines, and he

755
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 1: played there. I think, uh, but those are basically like

756
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: you will literally get one game if you play shitty,

757
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: and they just saying you the short season and they're like,

758
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: come in, get buckets are going right like so so

759
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:40,359
Speaker 1: it's hilarious because I get there. I played second core.

760
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 1: My hamstring is really tight, like like like my body

761
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:47,799
Speaker 1: isn't the greatest. The injuries continue to go. My ham

762
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,919
Speaker 1: to shrinks type, and I'm like, I gotta keep this job.

763
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 1: I end up hitting the game winner, but the last

764
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: three minutes my hamstring is just throbbing. So I'm like,

765
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: I get back to the to the apartment, threw me in.

766
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: I'm icing and I'm doing all this stuff, and I'm like, dude,

767
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: there's something seriously wrong here, Like this isn't good. Sure

768
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: enough I string my hamstring. They're like, we can't wait

769
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 1: two weeks for you to get healthy. We're sending you home.

770
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 1: So they're like one game, game winner, and I'm gone,

771
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,920
Speaker 1: and it's just like are we doing this? Like is

772
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: this is this how I go? I go, Okay, sounds good,

773
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is what it was um,

774
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,399
Speaker 1: you know, there was regrouped like trying to figure out

775
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: what it was. I end up playing for the g

776
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: D League Select team in Vegas, um summerly because I

777
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: was like, I'm done playing with the NBA teams, Like

778
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 1: give me a spot where I can show out a

779
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: little bit. Like I talked with Alex Jensen, who's the

780
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: head coach of the G League team, and he's like, dude,

781
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: if you come, you're gonna start, You're gonna start, You're

782
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: gonna play for us. So I said, let's do it.

783
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,480
Speaker 1: Let's let's do it. Played well. Then I had the

784
00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: situation of Okay, do I go overseas right away or

785
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 1: I try one more year to get get to where

786
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,680
Speaker 1: I was to do two different times like and I

787
00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 1: this is where I probably stuck around in the G

788
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,080
Speaker 1: League or D League too long. Like I stuck around.

789
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: I played another four months there and it came to

790
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 1: a point where, like with with Will and with everybody

791
00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:19,960
Speaker 1: was like what am I doing here? Like am I

792
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: gonna get to the NBA or not? Because I'm now

793
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 1: at this point twenty nine, Like I don't have that

794
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 1: much more time to make that much money doing this.

795
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 1: What am I doing, and Will asked me to take

796
00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: a pay cut because they want to bring somebody in

797
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: a pay cut the G League. You're only making nineteen

798
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 1: thousand the way it was. I said, I'm not taking

799
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 1: any less money. Like it's not happening. So I said,

800
00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 1: you know what, trade me to four Wayne. Um. They

801
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: traded me to four Wayne. I was there three weeks

802
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:50,279
Speaker 1: and finally and while I was on my way four

803
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: when I talked my agent, I said, listen, Keith. I said,

804
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: if it's not gonna happen, you need to get me

805
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: out of the D League. Now, at this point, there

806
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,239
Speaker 1: was a twenty five I think it was twenty five

807
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: or fifty dollar by it to get out of the

808
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,960
Speaker 1: league if you had a contract, which is crazy, like

809
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: I get there were trying to build the league, but

810
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 1: that was just stupid amount. That's why that's why I

811
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 1: played in the A B A back in the eight

812
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: the IBA and the other thing. He had no or

813
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: minimum bio yeo and Keith was able to get this

814
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: deal done with the Philippines and I headed over the Philippines.

815
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 1: They paid the fifty dollar bio and they paid me

816
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:27,960
Speaker 1: a good amount of money um to go over there

817
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 1: and play. I'm over there. What's that like you laying

818
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,799
Speaker 1: in the Philippines that loved it like they love basketball.

819
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,880
Speaker 1: We landed there, we practiced. Um had a great teammate

820
00:43:38,920 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: by name, a guy by the name with Jared Dillinger.

821
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 1: When it was like awesome he was he was, he

822
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: told me, like, what do we need to do? We

823
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: go back to this Like they had something called buyatt

824
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 1: which is like a duck embryo and like one of

825
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: these one of their teammates. This was one of the

826
00:43:56,040 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: things that he brought in and I said, sure, I'll

827
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,360
Speaker 1: do it, like I'll take a by this, knowing that

828
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,000
Speaker 1: like if I'm trying to buy into the team and

829
00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 1: i'd be become a good part of I might stick

830
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,640
Speaker 1: around a little bit longer, like I'll play good. But

831
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 1: like maybe you try this too and in my work. Um,

832
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,320
Speaker 1: so here's the kicker with all this, Like this is

833
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: the craziest thing I've ever been a part of. You

834
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: know that bring me in the locker room as I

835
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 1: get off the plane for practice, the coach pulls me

836
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: and he goes, I'm taking a chance on you. Um.

837
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 1: You know they wanted to bring in a couple of

838
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 1: different players, but you know I took a chance on you.

839
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 1: So let's you know, prove me right. I'm okay, let's

840
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 1: go um. So I'm playing really well. I'm forty games

841
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: you name it, like forty points, thirty rebounds, like never happened.

842
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm a big that can shoot the three like

843
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:48,760
Speaker 1: I've got three points. Celebrations because the fans are going crazy,

844
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: like I'm doing on it all to try to Oh yeah,

845
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,759
Speaker 1: it wasn't the era it was. It was this and

846
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:55,839
Speaker 1: there was like a like a like a chop man

847
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,799
Speaker 1: it was. But I'm like, I gotta find a way

848
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 1: to keep this job. So I find out through the

849
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,360
Speaker 1: grape Bonds they're bringing in Darnell Jackson from John to

850
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,680
Speaker 1: take my job. And I'm playing good and we're winning

851
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:14,000
Speaker 1: now and the Philippines you can only be six eight.

852
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 1: You can't be six eleven like im unless it's the

853
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 1: bottom two teams. So after a couple of practices, all

854
00:45:20,600 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 1: the guys you measured, oh crazy. Crazier part is they said, Brian,

855
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: don't drink anything, don't eat anything. We need you to

856
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: be under six eleven because if you're above six eleven,

857
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: you can't be on our team. They take me to

858
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:39,120
Speaker 1: this this like hospital area. They put me down on

859
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 1: a table and then everybody else had, like a manager

860
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:46,960
Speaker 1: from the team's come to this, to this height measurement.

861
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:50,120
Speaker 1: So I got I'm in my underwear and that's it,

862
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: which I don't know how that affects my height. I

863
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: still haven't figured that out. But they got me stripped

864
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,359
Speaker 1: down in the underwear, and I got all the other

865
00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,560
Speaker 1: teams managers they're well are measuring how tall him? Like

866
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: it was just like what in the world am I

867
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: doing to get a paycheck? Like it was nuts. So

868
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: that that was crazy, like I said. Then I go

869
00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: and I'm playing really well and they bring Darnell Jackson in.

870
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: Now I hear that he's coming in. Jared tells me

871
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 1: about this. That night, I go for forty and thirty one. Okay,

872
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: we win. I go to management and I very like

873
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: very blunt, said, I know you're bringing somebody in, you know,

874
00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 1: after you're feeling good about yourself. You know, I'm gonna

875
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 1: say what's really on my mind? Like I said, I

876
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 1: know you've got somebody. I don't want to see him

877
00:46:40,520 --> 00:46:43,320
Speaker 1: at practice. I don't want to see him at the games.

878
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: I don't want to see him anywhere, Like he is

879
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,920
Speaker 1: nowhere to be where I am period, Like if you

880
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 1: want to work him out, you do it after our

881
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 1: our practice, Like we've got something going here. The next game,

882
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: now we stayed. I stayed in this apartment complex the hotel.

883
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: The's only one place to eat. That's where I always hate,

884
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: Like I that's what I did. The next game, I

885
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: get food poisoning m hm, and so I try to

886
00:47:12,200 --> 00:47:14,600
Speaker 1: play through food poisoning. I end up in the hospital

887
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,440
Speaker 1: because I'm dehydrated. The next day, after I get out

888
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 1: of the hospital, of the coaches and everyone come to

889
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 1: and say, hey, we're gonna release you. And like it

890
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 1: doesn't add up to me, like because that's the only

891
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: one place to eat, Like it just doesn't add up

892
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: to me, Like I firmly believe that's something happened to

893
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: my food, knowing that they tried to get rid of me,

894
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: knowing that they try to get rid of like like

895
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:42,360
Speaker 1: the Russian spy ship, they're like pis like honestly, like

896
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,200
Speaker 1: and I know it's crazy to think that, but this

897
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: is why they came to me. And they said, all right,

898
00:47:48,480 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna let you go, but you can't say anything.

899
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: You can't put it on Twitter, you can't say anything.

900
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you an extra not to say why

901
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 1: you got relieved? Right, And I'm just like what Like

902
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,879
Speaker 1: That's where it started to really get fishy for me there,

903
00:48:10,000 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 1: Like it was a crazy situation. I love the Philippines,

904
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: the people were afraid. I love the basketball, I love

905
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: the situation. It was just it was just crazy. I

906
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: mean that was one of the weirder ones where I

907
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: looked at what just was like, what are what am

908
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 1: I getting into? All? Right? So then then you come

909
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: home and then you did one last season in Japan? Right?

910
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Why after that? So what what was that? Like? Not?

911
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,399
Speaker 1: Two cars? Was like five eleven, two sixty? I mean

912
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 1: the basketball, Um, so they're trying to make an investment

913
00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: and trying to make the game better and they're doing

914
00:48:44,719 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 1: a better job. The players are getting better. Um it was.

915
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,359
Speaker 1: I loved it like it was. I mean I went

916
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 1: there with my wife. We practiced that night. We run

917
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,040
Speaker 1: to Starbucks, we'd go to the beach and the more

918
00:48:56,160 --> 00:48:58,359
Speaker 1: like we so we we'd get up, we'd work out,

919
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 1: we'd stop by Starbucks on the way home, and we'd

920
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 1: go to the beach, we make dinner, I'd go to practice,

921
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,520
Speaker 1: my wife would hang out and like that was life

922
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,799
Speaker 1: and I loved it. We had American coach um which

923
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: was which was coach joey Um and I'm blanking on

924
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: his last name right now, m but he was there

925
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: and like they had a guy there. I came in

926
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: to take a spot and they had me practice against

927
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:26,239
Speaker 1: him one game or one day and they said, we're

928
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 1: not we're gonna run with him because they're right in

929
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 1: the middle of a cup play and after one practice

930
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 1: they're like, all right, we might change our mind. You

931
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:35,680
Speaker 1: might come in and play like during the rest of

932
00:49:35,719 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 1: the cup, which again was a weird situation, but that's

933
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 1: how overseas basketball is. Like you're gonna lose your job,

934
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: someone's gonna take it, and then you're gonna take somebody

935
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 1: else's job. Like it's it's not so. I mean, I

936
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: love that place. Um it was great. The basketball wasn't great,

937
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 1: but I mean I love like Dubias. I don't know

938
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: if you've ever been, but like I'm not, I'm not.

939
00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: I'll tell my my my buying trips story really quickly.

940
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: I was in Russia for the first uh couple of months,

941
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: a couple of months, and then they have a break

942
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 1: and they this is again us in two thousand one,

943
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,360
Speaker 1: and they were getting ready to go to travel to

944
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: Dubai to train for a couple of weeks, have a

945
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:16,880
Speaker 1: couple of weeks off, so they have us bringing our passports.

946
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 1: My passport I had. I am Jewish and I've been

947
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 1: to Israel a bunch of times, and like, there's no

948
00:50:22,040 --> 00:50:25,560
Speaker 1: way you'll get in the country. Really, I mean, in hindsight,

949
00:50:25,600 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: I could have and I had known that I could

950
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 1: have just gotten or just got a new passport without

951
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 1: any Hebrew writing on it. So I had to stay

952
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: in perm Russia and trained twice a day with one

953
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: coach and in the gym, and they're all in fucking Dubai.

954
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 1: That's my story. Um, when did when did you know

955
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: it was over? Uh? My last year? I played two

956
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 1: years in Japan. I played with Toshiba UM and then

957
00:50:49,400 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 1: I had another knee injury that I had to get

958
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 1: a surgery on. When I got came back, I was

959
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,879
Speaker 1: there to play one more year in fu Cooca one

960
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:00,480
Speaker 1: Championships with both teams. UM. But I knew at that

961
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 1: point when I was like and I don't know if

962
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: it was for you, but for me, like the amount

963
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: of work that I needed to put in just to

964
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,920
Speaker 1: get on the practice floor. Like my last year in Japan,

965
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,680
Speaker 1: I would say Monday because we played back to back,

966
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: so we would play Friday Saturdays or Saturday Sundays. It

967
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:20,520
Speaker 1: would be Monday Tuesday that I would go to the

968
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,920
Speaker 1: coach like I physically can't practice, like it hurts too much.

969
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: By Wednesday, I was good, but like my knees, my back,

970
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 1: like it was all just it was done. Like that

971
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: just wasn't again. I just wasn't an get that that's

972
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 1: there was men. I just wasn't actually my thing. And

973
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: this is kind of an interesting one that I want

974
00:51:39,040 --> 00:51:42,320
Speaker 1: to probably it's probably about the last year was I

975
00:51:42,560 --> 00:51:48,400
Speaker 1: found that the hardest part was they're not it's not

976
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: a team, like yeah, you know, I know it was,

977
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: I just it was in college like that. I think

978
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 1: that there's a couple of reasons that guys everybody thinks like, hey,

979
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: go to league. If not, let's go overseas and make

980
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,320
Speaker 1: a bunch of money, like yeah, you're going to a

981
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: different culture, and you're like it's just another uniform, you know,

982
00:52:09,680 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: and do you want when the game starts, you want

983
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 1: to win. Hell yeah, you want to win, Okay, but

984
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: I remember winning a Russian championship and feeling nothing like

985
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: I feel nothing. You lose the game and you're if

986
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: you play well, You're like I can play well, you know,

987
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: like did my ship and I'm like the least selfish

988
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 1: person on Earth. But I just I hate that. And

989
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 1: then I hated when I was in the minor leagues,

990
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: no matter which one, the only thing somebody could talk

991
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 1: about was playing somewhere else. Right, Man, I gotta get here,

992
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,719
Speaker 1: I gotta get there, I gotta get paid. I gotta

993
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,640
Speaker 1: like nobody's like, nobody gets like, hey, we just want

994
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,439
Speaker 1: a game. We're down seven, like it's just a game.

995
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 1: It's just a means to an end. That was the

996
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:50,040
Speaker 1: hard part. Okay. So you get done playing, come back

997
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: from Japan, you're done, Like how long was it before

998
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: you ever like picked up a basketball? And like what

999
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm when you decided you were done, did

1000
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: you go through any period of any little space from

1001
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: from something, Because I've done so much now I needed

1002
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,160
Speaker 1: a space from working out from the process of that.

1003
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: As far as the game, I don't want anybody tell

1004
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:13,600
Speaker 1: me where I gotta be and when I gotta be correct,

1005
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 1: right exactly. Like as far as the game, like I

1006
00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 1: jumped in and was an assistant coach with the Wisconsin

1007
00:53:18,320 --> 00:53:21,399
Speaker 1: heard the Bucks G League team that next year right away,

1008
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 1: Like so the game, Like I love the process, but

1009
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: it was a different process, Like it was finally it

1010
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 1: was breaking down film, it was studying the game more.

1011
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,160
Speaker 1: It was being able to teach the game without having

1012
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: physically to go out and do it anymore. Like that

1013
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: for me, Like as far as working out, like I've

1014
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 1: worked out occasionally, but it's not like I work out

1015
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,120
Speaker 1: like I used to like and I'm not going to anymore.

1016
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: Like I'll still do some stuff, but it's like it's

1017
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:46,160
Speaker 1: not that. So for me, it's the process of what

1018
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: I loved now with the coaching and diving into it.

1019
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 1: And that's why I like, I love being an analyst

1020
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: now on BTM because it's the same thing like the

1021
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: scouter reports that I put together team just it's my

1022
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,360
Speaker 1: prep work. Like it's funny I told I told a

1023
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 1: lot of Tucker and Joe krabting off this. I had

1024
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 1: a Wisconsin and Illinois Chicago game this year. I said, boys,

1025
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: if your whole team got sick, if guard got sick,

1026
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: if you guys guys like I could give you a

1027
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 1: scout report to your team, because, like I said, I

1028
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,239
Speaker 1: don't have too because I'm the same thing. You know,

1029
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 1: I watched the five games before. You know, Um okay,

1030
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,600
Speaker 1: actually this this is the last one as a big guy,

1031
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: a scoring big and as a guy now who runs

1032
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:33,719
Speaker 1: camps and developmental program right. Um, say, a big white

1033
00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: kid comes into your in, into your gym, and you know,

1034
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: forever we've told kids like get your ass down the block,

1035
00:54:42,239 --> 00:54:46,280
Speaker 1: you know, get position established, position, Like, how do you decide?

1036
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 1: How would you if you could rebuild your game? What

1037
00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:52,720
Speaker 1: what would you do when you have a kid who's

1038
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 1: big early on in their development? Uh? The So there's

1039
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: a lot of things, right, but like the one thing

1040
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 1: that I would focus on more than anything, more than

1041
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 1: anything is the footwork, because you can have the footwork

1042
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: be in the post, or you can have the footwork

1043
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: be on the perimeter. I remember this to a t.

1044
00:55:09,600 --> 00:55:12,480
Speaker 1: I was three years out of college and we were

1045
00:55:12,520 --> 00:55:15,040
Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. Kelvin Samson was an assistant coach there. I

1046
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:16,960
Speaker 1: was going against Joe Alexander, I was trying to get

1047
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: a catch on the elbow, and for the life of me,

1048
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: I tried to battle with him with my whole upper body.

1049
00:55:23,080 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: Kelvin said, but you what are you doing? Like all

1050
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 1: you have to do is lock your top foot over

1051
00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,839
Speaker 1: his top foot on the battle right, Like you don't

1052
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,319
Speaker 1: have to do all this, And I mean that's eight

1053
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: years of being a high level like and me that

1054
00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: the first time kind of like figuring it out. So

1055
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:41,360
Speaker 1: for me, with all of the kids that we work with,

1056
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:43,759
Speaker 1: it all starts with the footwork. It all starts with

1057
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Speaker 1: the base because that footwork you're using the post is

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Speaker 1: also the footwork you can use on the perimeter to

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Speaker 1: get open. This isn't rocket science, it's hoops like. But

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Speaker 1: so we I think at times we need to simplify

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Speaker 1: the game and then if the player and the kid

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Speaker 1: can show their good enough to add the next step

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Speaker 1: we had it. But right now every trainer in America

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Speaker 1: wants to do five behind the backs between the legs,

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Speaker 1: and half these kids aren't good enough, Doug, you know that, Like,

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Speaker 1: let's get him to the point where they're where they're

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Speaker 1: good enough. And then they added versus saying let's do

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Speaker 1: five between the backs and then have them struggle and

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00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, it's just garbage basketball. So

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Speaker 1: for me, it's just it's simple. It's just a simple footwork.

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Speaker 1: Let's start by teaching what a joke? Do you know

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Speaker 1: how many kids that I teach that don't know what

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Speaker 1: a front pivot is versus a reverse pivot? Like it

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Speaker 1: blows my mind. High school kids don't. Well, this is

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Speaker 1: this is I mean, sadly, this is what I'm teaching

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Speaker 1: on a nightly basis. Um, okay, So these guys are

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Speaker 1: Jordan Bohanan's come back for? Is it year seven? You're six,

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Speaker 1: you're six years years and then uh, your boy Brad

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Speaker 1: Brad David said, Brad Davis has come back for. I

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Speaker 1: think he's here. I think he's your five. I think

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Speaker 1: he rent for a year. I think he played right away.

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Speaker 1: I know I know he had a shoulder. I don't remember,

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00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 1: but I know he had a shoulder. I think I

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Speaker 1: don't Again, Here's here's the thing. I know I know

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Speaker 1: JBO a little bit, and I know that he I

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Speaker 1: know that he's all about name, image and likeness or whatever.

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Speaker 1: I played with his brother, so I know, if I know,

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Speaker 1: I know you did. I'm in the whole family right there,

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Speaker 1: all in that area. But I actually totally get it.

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Speaker 1: Like if if somebody if my Boyden's like, hey, bro,

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00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,960
Speaker 1: we found out you got another year, you want to hoop? Like, yes,

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Speaker 1: right if it was you, if you had and knowing

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00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 1: what you know now about the true life of a

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00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: professional basketball player, Um, what do you think about the

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00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 1: idea of one more year in college? Now? Granted those

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00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: guys aren't guys NBA guys, other guys that can make

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00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,320
Speaker 1: money playing, yes, but what do you think of the

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00:57:50,360 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 1: decision for one more year for those guys? For those guys,

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Speaker 1: I think it's good, Like I mean, it's crazy, But

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Speaker 1: like Jorgan Bohannah, what is he gonna do? Like he

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Speaker 1: go overseas, makes money for a couple of years, and

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Speaker 1: then he'll be done. Brad Davidson, same thing. Likeable, you

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00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: can't play in a place like Iolan, Wisconsin all about

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00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: like us, you represent your entire state, right and then

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00:58:14,520 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, like you're gonna go playing Clamont

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Speaker 1: FORRN in France for some coach. It's like this game

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00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 1: is she's a rival Like I don't feel that rivalry

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00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: and it and it's just you, like I told you,

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Speaker 1: Like it took me my first two spots I got

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Speaker 1: released because I still was in the college mindset. Like

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00:58:30,120 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 1: it's completely different. So I'm glad for these guys, like

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Speaker 1: go play another year. You're not leaving that much table,

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00:58:36,080 --> 00:58:39,040
Speaker 1: and you maybe leaving fifty thousand on table. If you

1114
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,960
Speaker 1: get your grad degree, you've made it back in that.

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00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: Now with Jordan what he wants with name, image and likeness,

1116
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: like I don't agree with him on it, Like I've

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Speaker 1: played at the University of Wisconsin, right how I got

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Speaker 1: into two B T N. So I called coach albreas

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Speaker 1: we had a meeting. I said, Coach, I put the

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Speaker 1: work and this isn't a fit, Like, but I can

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Speaker 1: you help me? Just get a foot the door and

1122
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: I'll do the rest just And that's what happened. Now

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Speaker 1: that value is more than the name, iage, image and

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00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: likeness stuff like that value is way more important. And

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Speaker 1: that's where I get upset with Jordan's Like Jordan, you

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Speaker 1: ever see the big picture? Man? Because right now, if

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00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 1: you ruffle enough feathers like they went that it's I

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Speaker 1: think it's the part where we were that we soaked

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Speaker 1: there's a bunch of parts that we dismissed. We also

1130
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,880
Speaker 1: dismissed how hard it is to get into these schools

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00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: to begin with, right, Like we weren't athletes. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of like I wouldn't have gotten to Notre Dame

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Speaker 1: and begin with no chance. Um, and then the rest

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Speaker 1: of our lives, you know, you're attached to the school

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Speaker 1: he went to. Which that's the curious thing about the transfers.

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Speaker 1: There is a lot of these guys, um a a

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Speaker 1: lot of these guys like okay, go back for your

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00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: go back for your alumni, Like where are you where

1139
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 1: you're going? Right? Like oh no, no, I just like

1140
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Speaker 1: I played there four years, but I just want I

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Speaker 1: just want to do another year. Like no, that's not

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Speaker 1: how it is. Bro Like we may say like, hey man,

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Speaker 1: you go kill God's plan, right, hashtag God's plan, But

1144
01:00:07,840 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: the reality is like either for us, if you're somebody

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Speaker 1: else and then you go and play one season, you're

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Speaker 1: there for six, seven, nine months like again, same thing. Um, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's it's it's a hard thing for these

1148
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Speaker 1: guys are gonna figure out. Yeah. I talked with Richard

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Speaker 1: Patino about that. He's like you know, we've got we

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Speaker 1: had a couple of guys. This is two years ago,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, you know, it's a it's a grant,

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Speaker 1: it's our graduation day, it's our senior day. Like he's

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Speaker 1: only been with us for six six months, So I mean, exactly,

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Speaker 1: how is that senior day? Like, it's not senior day,

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Speaker 1: it's not it's not what you've built on. Um. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do I like it? I understand if your coach leaves

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Speaker 1: like I get that, but this year, the whole like

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Speaker 1: what we have this year, I don't think it's good

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Speaker 1: for college basketball. I really don't. Well, it's because I

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Speaker 1: think and you and I know the reality of it

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Speaker 1: is like college basketball isn't necessarily a popular because of

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Speaker 1: the players. It's because of the schools and the rivalries

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Speaker 1: and the familiarity. And we do everything we can our

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Speaker 1: power to destroy parts of it right where we you know,

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Speaker 1: now the leagues aren't the same, so you're not playing Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't care how good Rutgers is, it still doesn't

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Speaker 1: feel like the big tend to have Rutgers playing Michigan

1168
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Speaker 1: just doesn't. You know, Nebraska has got amazing facilities, right,

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Speaker 1: and they do an amazing They want to be good

1170
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: so bad. But Nebraska against Ohio State is a put

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Speaker 1: but in basketball, like it's not a rivalry football it

1172
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Speaker 1: is just because two sports. But I think it takes

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Speaker 1: away from it. But anyway, well listen, you've been great,

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Speaker 1: unbelievable with your time. This is awesome fun. Yeah. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to reach something. Glad we may not work

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Speaker 1: because and and and I think, I truthfully think the

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Speaker 1: stuff you guys are doing in Appleton in terms of

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Speaker 1: player development is awesome. And I'm gonna try and send

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Speaker 1: a group up so it's gonna with him in the shape. Awesome, awesome,

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Speaker 1: we'd love to have it. I appreciate your time to

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Speaker 1: I appreciate this. This was fun and anytime. You know that,

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Speaker 1: But how can somebody get it? How can you somebody

1183
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:09,360
Speaker 1: get the information on your camps in your programs camps? Yeah,

1184
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Speaker 1: just Brian Witch Basketball camps dot com. Um. It's pretty simple.

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Speaker 1: It's I'm a pretty simple guys. That's all it's gotta

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Speaker 1: be is just Brian but Brian Butch basketball camps dot com. Um.

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Speaker 1: And if everyone ever needs to get ahold of me,

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Speaker 1: just you know, Brian Butch Basketball at gmail dot com.

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Speaker 1: We'll we'll take care of everything that that everybody needs.

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Speaker 1: By the way, last thing, you shouldn't play in Australia

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Speaker 1: because you're I think Wisconsins and Australians are the same people.

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Speaker 1: They all they just want to go and kick somebody's

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Speaker 1: asks and basketball and go have a beer and have

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Speaker 1: and and tell stories about it, right, Like, they're very much,

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Speaker 1: very similar. Similar. I've never met people from Wisconsin that

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Speaker 1: I don't enjoy hanging out and have a conversation with.

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Speaker 1: I've never met in Australian they don't enjoy hanging out

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Speaker 1: have a conversation with. Well that I bid you ado,

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Speaker 1: thanks to all right, it sounds good. Thanks, I appreciate

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Speaker 1: We'll see you guys. Thanks all right, Thanks to Brian Butch.

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Speaker 1: That was that was outstanding stuff. Really, I thought you'd

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Speaker 1: like the Russian stories. I have more Russian stories I

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Speaker 1: always share within it, more Israel stories and France stories.

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Speaker 1: I haven't shared either, but I would. I would. I

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Speaker 1: would just tell you this, like, look, the stories fill

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Speaker 1: your experience up and make it very very rich. And

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Speaker 1: there are teams you're gonna join if you stay on.

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Speaker 1: I think you'd have a semi collegiate type of feel with.

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Speaker 1: But I will also tell you that it can be

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Speaker 1: a very difficult life. Give me a tough life to

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Speaker 1: feel super comfortable living anyway. I hope you enjoyed that.

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Speaker 1: Remember The Doug Gotlip Show is daily three to six

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Speaker 1: Eastern twelve three Pacific. Make sure and download these things.

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Speaker 1: There's a bunch of different good ones. Tremaine Folks was

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Speaker 1: last week. He was outstanding. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball