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Speaker 2: Oh, what's going on everybody?

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Speaker 3: We've got Sean Payton, the Broncos head coach, going scorched

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Speaker 3: earth in a USA Today article and then say, man,

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Speaker 3: I regret.

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Speaker 2: That I I don't know what I was doing over there.

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Speaker 2: My bet on that. First off, how are you guys

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Speaker 2: doing everything good in your world? Life is crazy.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually broadcasting from Connecticut. Wow, East coast, East Coast,

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Speaker 4: East coast, Ormberger here.

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Speaker 2: And the mad dash to find an Ethernet port on.

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Speaker 5: This Oh man, we didn't have to worry about the time,

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Speaker 5: like at least it was later in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that is good, like we do it here on

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Speaker 1: the West coast.

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Speaker 4: The search did begin a little bit earlier, and uh,

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Speaker 4: and it was it was fruit It was not fruitful

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Speaker 4: until the last five minutes about but here we are,

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Speaker 4: we're doing it.

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Speaker 2: Did you have to like Forest Gump?

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Speaker 5: It?

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Speaker 3: Where were were you in like Reno or something the

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Speaker 3: time that you went Forest Gump?

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Speaker 2: I was just trying to remember the city. I think

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Speaker 2: I was in Salt Lake. I think I.

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Speaker 5: Was as game. I forget which one. I forget which

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Speaker 5: mountain west?

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Speaker 1: Uh uh?

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Speaker 2: Which stopped? Yeah, I think it might have been. They

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Speaker 2: were playing the utes, So it was there.

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Speaker 4: We were in there Pac twelve schedule, and I went

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Speaker 4: sprinting down the streets of Salt Lake City to find

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Speaker 4: a to find the only open hotel.

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Speaker 1: Children.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, me and my Comrades device and a headset.

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Speaker 2: Just look out. But we make it happen.

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Speaker 3: It's your heisman, pos you know, very football, it's your

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Speaker 3: com Rex equipment. Yeah you got it in a headset.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So Sean Payton, Broncos head coach. So we rewind to

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Speaker 3: a little bit earlier in the week so we can

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Speaker 3: fast forward and get his most recent comments. So he

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Speaker 3: sits down with USA Today's Jarrett Bell and he does

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Speaker 3: this full scale interview where he is just unfiltered.

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Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: He's going in on Nathaniel Hackett, the Broncos head coach

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Speaker 3: last season, he said it might have been one of

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Speaker 3: the worst coaching jobs in the history of the NFL.

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Speaker 2: That's how bad it was. And then he.

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Speaker 3: Talked about the incompetence of the Broncos offense last year.

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Speaker 3: He said they couldn't get a play in. They were

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Speaker 3: twenty ninth in the league in prestat penalties on both

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Speaker 3: the previous coaching staff as a whole and said, everything

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Speaker 3: I heard about last season, we're doing the opposite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot to say.

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Speaker 3: Now yesterday at training camp, he's kind of like, you know,

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Speaker 3: maybe a bit much.

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Speaker 2: He's walking it back. Here are his recent comment.

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Speaker 6: I had one of those moments where I still had

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Speaker 6: And you know, I said this to the team in

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Speaker 6: the meeting yesterday. We've had a great off season relative

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Speaker 6: to that, you know, and I've been preaching that message

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Speaker 6: and here I am the veteran, you know, stepping in it.

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Speaker 6: And it was it was a learning experience for me.

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Speaker 2: It was a mistake.

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Speaker 6: Obviously, I needed a little bit more filter, you know,

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Speaker 6: we're past that season last year, and you know, I

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, he regrets it.

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Speaker 3: Listen selfishly, I love what he initially said, because a

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Speaker 3: lot of times in professional sports you get the robotic answer,

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Speaker 3: got the true feelings. With that being said, put myself

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Speaker 3: do right there. There's a code. It's a look like

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Speaker 3: those unwritten rules in baseball. This is like stealing a

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Speaker 3: you know what I mean, where you just don't rip

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Speaker 3: walk it back is because, like he said, he initially

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, he absolutely did step in it. And look,

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Speaker 4: it's not like anything he said isn't true. Though true

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Speaker 4: hurts sometimes, and this is one of those times. Everything

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Speaker 4: he said was one hundred percent spot on. They couldn't

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Speaker 4: They in fact, the Denver Broncos had to hire people

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Speaker 4: and that became public. Like, so imagine, imagine not only

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Speaker 4: being upset with your head coach because he's so disorganized

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Speaker 4: you you hire someone to help him out, and then

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Speaker 4: his staff can't even keep that quiet.

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Speaker 2: So now it's a double whammy.

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Speaker 4: You're embarrassed because it's happening in the first place, and

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Speaker 4: then you have to ride the embarrassment cycle again because

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Speaker 4: he can't he can't keep leaks from getting out of

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Speaker 4: his organization. It was miserable for Nathaniel Hackett. It was

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Speaker 4: a dreadful season for Russell Wilson. It was so quick

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Speaker 4: of a switch going from watching Russ cook to watching

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Speaker 4: blame Hackett for a part of this season because you're like,

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Speaker 4: how how could this happen so quickly to Russ? Maybe

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Speaker 4: I mean the truth hurts, but he just because it's

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Speaker 4: the truth doesn't mean you should say it. You know,

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Speaker 4: go back to last week. It's like if your wife

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Speaker 4: asks you, hey, does this dress make me look fat?

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Speaker 4: The answer isn't. Oh my god, the fattest. The answer no, honey.

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Speaker 4: But you know what, that blue dress is really nice.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll go with the blue dress.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And I think in this case, Sean Payton is

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Speaker 5: probably the blue dress.

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Speaker 1: But there is no need.

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Speaker 5: There is no need, right, Like, if I'm Sean Payton,

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Speaker 5: your goal from day one, how do we turn the

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Speaker 1: Well, here's how you don't do that.

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Speaker 5: You dig up all the skeletons that were in the

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Speaker 5: and you let.

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Speaker 1: Him publish it as an article. It just it didn't

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Speaker 5: And then he gave the two latte excuse like okay, sure,

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Speaker 5: like maybe he was a little overcaffeinated that morning and

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Speaker 5: just kind of let loose. But like your job as

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Speaker 5: the most efficient and effective way possible.

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Speaker 1: To make this football team better.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, there is nothing, absolutely nothing to be gained

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Speaker 5: from going scorch to earth like he did on Nathaniel Hackett.

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Speaker 5: Everybody who has eyeballs that watched the Broncos last year

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Speaker 5: knows what Sean was saying.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't right.

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Speaker 5: It's like, see, you're right, certain things just don't need

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Speaker 5: to be said. And when you say it, you open

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Speaker 5: up a can of worms that then creates a distraction,

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Speaker 5: the same distractions you are trying to avoid that took

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Speaker 5: similar vibe. Now, maybe the execution of the offense will

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Speaker 1: I sure hope.

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Speaker 5: But I'll say this, you should throw stones when you're

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Speaker 5: the biggest scandals in recent history in the NFL, Sean

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Speaker 5: Payton was at the helm of that team for and

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Speaker 5: he got an unprecedented suspension an acting head coach year

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Speaker 5: long suspension for the bounty Gate stuff.

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Speaker 1: So it just it.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't make it didn't make any sense saying it, even

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Speaker 5: if that stuff wasn't on Shawn's record. But there are

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Speaker 5: some missteps throughout his career as well. And it is

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Speaker 5: a coaching fraternity. It would be the equivalent of whoever

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Speaker 5: our first show, we were like, yeah, those guys who

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Speaker 5: mean it was absolutely brutal. But we're gonna make things

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Speaker 5: a lot better. Like why do you have to do that?

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Speaker 5: It's just not something you say. And obviously Sewan regreted it.

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Speaker 5: I think the Broncos PR team had an absolute.

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Speaker 1: Field day, well midfield day with it.

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Speaker 3: This is the part that you were talking about about

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Speaker 3: the lattes. Jared, Yeah, check this out.

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Speaker 6: I just had one of those moments. Jared's good, real

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Speaker 6: good at his job and to lattes in the morning,

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Speaker 2: So it is what it is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, hey, I I like thinking he's saying,

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Speaker 3: you know, Jared's a good friend like Jared Smith. Yeah, like,

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Speaker 3: I mean not necessarily Jared bell with USA today. But

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Speaker 3: this is going to be printed everywhere.

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Speaker 2: This is gonna be all over the place.

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Speaker 3: This is probably going to be bulletin board material to

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Speaker 3: win the off season. The pr the pomping circumstance, marching

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Speaker 3: of that. The Jets did that. This ye hate watch

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Speaker 3: hard knocks, all of it. I can see it coming.

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Speaker 5: So he didn't choose hard knocks, I.

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Speaker 2: Know, but don't let that throw you off.

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Speaker 3: He still said it, you know, And so he's he's

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Speaker 3: ripping like a lot of people that are still there

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Speaker 3: lot of people felt this. I love Robert Sala's reaction,

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Speaker 3: the head coach of the jets. This goes in the

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Speaker 7: I kind of live by saying, if you ain't got

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Speaker 7: no haters, you ain't popping.

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Speaker 3: So hate away. And I love this comparison. This is

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of external noise. There's a lot of

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Speaker 7: people looking for the feather. There's a lot of crows

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Speaker 5: just didn't quite get up to speed as fast. But hey,

443
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Speaker 5: they were in the AFC Championship Game last year and

444
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Speaker 5: they were a breathway from the super Bowl, so it all

445
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Speaker 5: worked out.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

447
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Speaker 5: I do anytime you have a calf it's close to

448
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Speaker 5: the Achilles's, it's in a dangerous spot.

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Speaker 1: That scares me.

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Speaker 5: But I also think Joe is one of the toughest

451
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Speaker 5: dudes in the league. And my guess is if he's

452
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Speaker 5: questionable to play Week one, he's probably gonna give it

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Speaker 5: a go. But this is an injury that has moved

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Speaker 5: the market. We saw the number come down. Cincinnati was

455
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Speaker 5: a three point two and a half, call it two

456
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Speaker 5: point seven to five favorite, you know, on the road

457
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Speaker 5: against Cleveland week one.

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Speaker 1: That line has been pulled down.

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Speaker 5: I'm hearing Joe is worth anywhere between five and seven

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Speaker 5: points based on the.

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Speaker 1: Odds makers that I talked to this week.

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Speaker 5: My guess is they'll split the difference and it'll probably

463
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Speaker 5: be let's say Cleveland minus three week one if it's

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Speaker 5: no Joe Burrow under center.

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Speaker 3: Well, a couple of things where this just shows how

466
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Speaker 3: topsy turvy things can be in the NFL. As we're projecting, Hey,

467
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Speaker 3: who's gonna make the playoffs? Who's a playoff team from

468
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Speaker 3: last season that will not be a playoff team this season?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: And you look at it on paper and it's a

471
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Speaker 3: reminder of how quickly things can change. If you go

472
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Speaker 3: back before last season, if you were to say, oh, yeah,

473
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Speaker 3: the defending champion Rams, they're gonna be five and twelve,

474
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Speaker 3: you'd be like, what are you crazy? Right now, it's like,

475
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Speaker 3: look at the injury bug with Stafford and Cooper Cup

476
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Speaker 3: and Aaron Donald, and this is another indication of how

477
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Speaker 3: quickly things can change. And for a couple of playoff

478
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Speaker 3: teams in the Bengals and the Dolphins last season, if

479
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Speaker 3: you're missing key players, it can go south really fast.

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Speaker 3: So it's a reminder of that. You saw that with Tampa.

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Speaker 3: Remember Ryan Jensen, the center getting hurt before the season began,

482
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Speaker 3: and that was a theme throughout the entire year, they

483
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Speaker 3: couldn't run the ball like, so these injuries mount up.

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Speaker 3: The other thing is I disagree with you, guys. I

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Speaker 3: just flat out disagree with you because there's no doubt

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Speaker 3: and I know that's what you're saying, is Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: is the more valuable player compared to Jalen Ramsey. No,

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Speaker 3: no denying that. But if you look at the significance

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Speaker 3: of injury, Jalen Ramsey had knee surgery. He might not

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Speaker 3: be back until December. He's a three time first team

491
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Speaker 3: All Pro. He was supposed to make a big difference

492
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Speaker 3: for a defense that now has Vic Fangio as its decoordinator. Meanwhile, Burrow,

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Speaker 3: it's more likely than not that he doesn't miss any games.

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Speaker 3: So there's a difference between the more valuable player and

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Speaker 3: the more impactful injury and the more impactful injuries with

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Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey by far.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, I if timetables were the same, which you know, look,

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna say. I'm not gonna say it's gonna

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Speaker 4: take Joe Burrow till December to feel right. But I've

501
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Speaker 4: had soft tissue injuries like hamstrings and calf strains that've

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Speaker 4: taken forever quad strains, because you know what we say

503
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Speaker 4: when we say strain, and it is a strain, you know,

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Speaker 4: that is another word for tearing your muscle.

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Speaker 2: But that's what you're doing.

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Speaker 4: You're tearing a portion of your muscle, whether it's you know,

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Speaker 4: nearer the connection point or in the belly of the muscle.

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Speaker 4: But that's what a strain is. That's what a sprain is.

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Speaker 4: You know, when they say alhw hes sprained his ankle,

510
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Speaker 4: what are they talking about. Well, what they're talking about

511
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Speaker 4: is to a certain degree that that player tore the

512
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Speaker 4: ligaments in his ankle.

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Speaker 2: Now how badly are they torn?

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Speaker 4: It varies, obviously, there's degrees and spectrums to just about everything.

515
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Speaker 4: And the same can be true with Joe Burrow. And

516
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Speaker 4: this could be an excessive amount of caution. But yeah,

517
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Speaker 4: going back to the point you were making about the

518
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Speaker 4: most important player. Yeah, if Burrow isn't available to start

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Speaker 4: this season, If Burrow isn't available, say for.

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Speaker 2: A month into this season, which who knows, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, crazier things have happened, that is going to be

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Speaker 4: more consequential, I think in the end than if Jalen

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Speaker 4: Ramsey is out for six to eight weeks of the

524
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Speaker 4: NFL season because the Bengals, I mean, there's literally they've

525
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Speaker 4: got nothing behind him.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, their season is hinging. I remember my second

528
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Speaker 4: year in New England, somebody stepped on Tom Brady's foot, right,

529
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Speaker 4: and it was during a practice, and he yelped out loud,

530
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Speaker 4: and he threw the football into the ground and he

531
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Speaker 4: took a couple of steps, you know, just sort of

532
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Speaker 4: test out his foot and stomp his foot a little bit.

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Speaker 2: His foot was fine.

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Speaker 4: Practice went on, but I remember in the film room,

535
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Speaker 4: our offensive line coach stopped and rewound and played that

536
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Speaker 4: clip over and over and over and over, and he

537
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Speaker 4: browbeat the player who stepped on his foot over and

538
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Speaker 4: over and over again. And then he made it clear

539
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Speaker 4: to everybody in the room. And this was a veteran

540
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Speaker 4: who he was going after. He made it clear to

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Speaker 4: everyone in the room. Our entire lives hinge on his health.

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Speaker 4: He goes. Everything we're doing here is because he's great

543
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Speaker 4: at what he does. It's our job to protect him.

544
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Speaker 4: And if we don't protect him, this whole thing tumbles down.

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Speaker 4: Do you understand that? And I remember being like, oh wow,

546
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Speaker 4: it is crystal clear what we're doing here. We're keeping

547
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Speaker 4: Tom Brady safe. Same thing for Zach Taylor and the

548
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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Bengals and their offensive line and everybody in that organization.

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Speaker 4: When he wears that red jersey at practice, it means

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Speaker 4: hands off. Now, this wasn't a situation where he got

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Speaker 4: rolled up on. You know, you sprain a calf, You

552
00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 4: strain a calf. You know it's because muscles pull sometimes.

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Speaker 4: But he is the most important thing in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this was non contact, so it was tough to

555
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Speaker 5: really gauge it. But here's the way I'll frame it,

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Speaker 5: and I agree with you, by the way, Brian, twelve

557
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Speaker 5: games for a starting corner in the league matters a

558
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Speaker 5: lot more than zero games miss for a quarterback, hundred

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Speaker 5: percent agree. I think if we get to like one

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Speaker 5: or two or three or four games, maybe like the

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Speaker 5: four game threshold, because I would say Joe's probably worth

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Speaker 5: four or five games to every one game Jalen is,

563
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Speaker 5: that's when I think the scales start to tip towards balance.

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Speaker 5: But here's how I'll frame it. As a Dolphins fan,

565
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Speaker 5: which you are, or Dolphins backer that bet them to

566
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Speaker 5: win the Super Bowl, they everything is still in front

567
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Speaker 5: of them. Jalen Ramsey getting hurt, to me, does not

568
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Speaker 5: derail that situation. The Dolphins, I think their super Bowl

569
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Speaker 5: number did not move based off of the Jalen Ramsey injury.

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Speaker 5: Their win total number did not move their Week one line.

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Speaker 5: Maybe the total might have moved up a little bit

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Speaker 5: against the Chargers, but it didn't move the market significantly.

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Speaker 5: When Joe Burrow went down, the entire market shut down

574
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Speaker 5: and it didn't reopen until we knew exactly what was happening.

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Speaker 5: And even some shops haven't even reopened yet because they're

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Speaker 5: not one hundred percent sure whether or not he's gonna

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Speaker 5: play Week one. So to me, that is the follow

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Speaker 5: of the money, is what I always say. And when

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Speaker 5: Joe went down, it was like the entire NFL market

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Speaker 5: just stopped and waited to reopen until we had more news.

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Speaker 3: Okay, speaking of more news, os, I mean goodness rights itself.

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Speaker 3: You know, Isaac Loewen Krown, you need news, you got news.

583
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Speaker 3: I low has the latest for us this morning.

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Speaker 2: What's going on? I love?

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Speaker 10: Oh that was just an alley oop and I was

586
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Speaker 10: able to just redirect it right into the who we

587
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Speaker 10: will start with Major League we.

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Speaker 2: Direct you didn't tomahawk jam that you just redirected it was.

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Speaker 10: It was so it was like a pillow. I barely

590
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Speaker 10: had to touch it. In fact, I probably shouldn't have

591
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Speaker 10: touched it, or it would have counted as a three pointer.

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Speaker 11: That's happened before it goes to dynamite.

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Speaker 2: It was.

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Speaker 10: That was actually me, by the way, A few people

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Speaker 10: know that. That was so embarrassing. I had to change

596
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Speaker 10: my name, and it has not been exposed until right now.

597
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Speaker 10: We're exposing the Major League Baseball scoreboard. On Friday night,

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Speaker 10: the Cincinnati Reds beating the Dodgers in LA six to five.

599
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Speaker 10: The Red's now half a game behind first place Milwaukee

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Speaker 10: in the NL Central. The Boston Red Sox against San

601
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Speaker 10: Francisco three to two. They're now on a five game

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Speaker 10: winning streak. Baltimore's Anthony santan dare He had a home

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Speaker 10: run in the bottom of the ninth inning to give

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Speaker 10: the O's a one nothing win over the Yankees in

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Speaker 10: a game that was delayed two and a half hours

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Speaker 10: by rain. Aaron Judge walk three times at his first

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Speaker 10: game back from a toe injury. His first place Baltimore

608
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Speaker 10: remained a game and a half out of the Tampa

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Speaker 10: Bay Rays. The Chicago Cubs won at Saint Louis three

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Speaker 10: to two, hit a thriller for a seven game winning

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Speaker 10: streak as the Cubs Mike Tackman reached over the fence

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Speaker 10: to take a game winning home run away from Cardinals

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Speaker 10: pinch hitter Alec Burlson for the final out of the game.

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Speaker 10: Blue Jays over the Angels four to one despite Shoheyo

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Speaker 10: Tani's thirty ninth home run in his third in two games,

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Speaker 10: and Kansas City's Bobby Wit hit a grand slam on

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Speaker 10: the bottom of the tenth inning to give the Royals

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Speaker 10: an eight to five win over the Minnesota Twins. Finally,

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Speaker 10: in the NFL, Chicago Bears rookie right tackle Darnell Wright,

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Speaker 10: who is the tenth overall pick in the draft, wowed

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Speaker 10: his new team with an amazing performance in the Bears

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Speaker 10: training camp opening conditioning test this week. The Secret to

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Speaker 10: write success, he mistakenly trained for the Bears Wide Receivers

624
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Speaker 10: conditioning test instead of the Bears Offensive line and conditioning tests.

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Speaker 10: The Wide Receivers test has higher distance and lower time standards.

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Speaker 10: Right said he lost sixteen pounds a test but fortunately

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Speaker 10: did not lose eddy muscle mass.

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Speaker 11: And with that, Vella's back to you.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that is a ridiculous story. Fun aside, when I

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Speaker 1: was in high.

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Speaker 5: Schoo playing high school football, I think I might have

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Speaker 5: told this story my head coach.

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Speaker 1: I was a little chubby playing quarterback.

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Speaker 5: My head coach was like, if you do not pass

635
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Speaker 5: these quarterback conditioning drills, you're going right back to the

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Speaker 5: offensive line, big boy.

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Speaker 1: And oh my god, that brought me back to high school. Isaac,

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Speaker 1: thank you for that.

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Speaker 3: Total accident of like, oh well, shoot, so I have

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Speaker 3: a little bit more time as an old lineman to

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Speaker 3: finish this conditioning test.

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Speaker 2: News to me, that is great.

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Speaker 1: And rich you get a test. Those are big splits

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Speaker 1: probably between the receivers and the old lineman for those conditions.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, I mean it really does seem

647
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Speaker 4: well for the majority of offensive linemen in the league.

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Speaker 4: Unfeasible to run with him. But they'll call it sometimes

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Speaker 4: a group B group, uh C group. Obviously the big

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Speaker 4: boys are in C group. Sometimes they'll call it you know,

651
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 4: big mid smalls, you know what I mean. Depending But yeah,

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Speaker 4: when when you're I remember, I'll give you an example

653
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Speaker 4: of a guy who blew my mind with how unbelievably

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Speaker 4: smooth he looked running.

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Speaker 2: Vince Wilfork.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, big daddy, Vinnie Wilfork weighed three point fifty when

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Speaker 4: he entered training camp. He would he would get up

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Speaker 4: to four hundred pounds in the middle of the season.

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Speaker 4: And I kid you not when he ran the conditioning test. Now, granted,

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Speaker 4: never with like the a group, never with like the

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Speaker 4: He was gliding out there. He was crushing the test

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Speaker 4: with no problem. There are just certain guys who are athlete.

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Speaker 4: It's clearly this man is an athlete. Absolutely he is.

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Speaker 3: I swear I thought when I loo brought that up,

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Speaker 3: he was gonna say a great song in the like

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Speaker 1: That is some story, I'll be honest. I just gained

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Speaker 1: a ton of respect for Darnell, right.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a massive win for him in the

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Speaker 5: season hasn't even started yet.

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Speaker 1: Good for you, Darnell.

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Speaker 3: It's uh, it's good to not read documentation properly, you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean this though, I.

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Speaker 4: Will say this though, there is that feeling of like,

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Speaker 3: So we all love an aggressive move, do we not.

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Speaker 3: If you're sitting at the poker table and somebody goes

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00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: all in. You're like, ooh aggressive until it backfires and

702
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: you're like, man, that was kind of stupid, depending on

703
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 3: the starting hand. Right, the Angels are going all in

704
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 3: with show Hey Otani. There is word that they will

705
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 3: not be trading the superstar who had a shutout against

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00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: the Tigers a couple of days ago, one hitter and

707
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 3: then hits two home runs in the next game. Unprecedented,

708
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 3: never happened in Major League history where there was there

709
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 3: was a shutout and then a homer in back to

710
00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,359
Speaker 3: back games on the same day. But they're going all

711
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: in and what they're hoping that they either make a

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00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 3: big push this year. There are four games back of

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00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 3: the wild card race, and there are numerous indications that show, hey,

714
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:30,719
Speaker 3: we'll walk and go somewhere else. We'll test free agency.

715
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: He's made it clear he's tired of losing. So the

716
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 3: Angels say, you know what, we just we can't sleep

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Speaker 3: at night trading a unique unicorn like this guy, Show

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Speaker 3: Hey Otani.

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00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:43,839
Speaker 2: There's no one like him.

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Speaker 3: I mean, okay, but if you think the answer is no,

721
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Speaker 3: I don't know why you're clinging on to false hope

722
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 3: like that for what for?

723
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: Hopefully you sneak into the playoffs.

724
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 3: You gotta get prospects, you gotta get something for the

725
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: guy instead of him walking. The only way this works

726
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: is if Otani reups. That's it, because even if they

727
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Speaker 3: have a deep run, they're not good enough to win

728
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Speaker 3: at all. Right, even if you have a deep run

729
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 3: and he walks, it's still not worth it. The only

730
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Speaker 3: way it is is if he comes back.

731
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Speaker 2: I mean, I agree with you long term. Uh.

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Speaker 4: The only way that this this feels good as an

733
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Speaker 4: Angels fan, as somebody who's gonna be there for long

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Speaker 4: after show hey Otani departs, yeah, is if he either

735
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Speaker 4: get like get a gigantic mess of a haul for

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Speaker 4: sho hee Otani or if he resigns this offseason with

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Speaker 4: you long term. However, look, I've always felt like he

738
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Speaker 4: wasn't tradable, Like I felt like, no matter what the

739
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Speaker 4: trade package would be inferior to what his actual talents were.

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Speaker 4: So no matter what if the Angels traded him, it

741
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Speaker 4: would look like they've gotten fleeced because you would start

742
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Speaker 4: comparing it to some of the other trades that have

743
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Speaker 4: happened over the years. Sure'ser or Soto, and you start

744
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Speaker 4: comparing how much how many assets were exchanged in some

745
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 4: of these trades, and so yeah, it'll beat those packages,

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Speaker 4: but will it be commeadurate? Because what we're talking about

747
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Speaker 4: is you're not only trading for an amazing pitcher, you're

748
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Speaker 4: trading for an amazing hitter too, a top of the

749
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Speaker 4: league hitter and a top ten pitcher, an ace. It's

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Speaker 4: so difficult to quantify that. I don't think the Angels

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Speaker 4: really could or should trade him because then they're going

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Speaker 4: to be marked forever. This front office is going to

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Speaker 4: be marked forever the team that got fleeced on the

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Speaker 4: show Hey trade. Then you start thinking about the historical

755
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 4: significance of what he's doing. Do you want to be

756
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Speaker 4: the team that's in showhy to New York when you

757
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Speaker 4: had him?

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Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, maybe he goes on

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Speaker 2: and has his best years.

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Speaker 4: Maybe his best years are still to come with the Yankees,

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Speaker 4: or Heaven's forbid, like you know, with the Dodgers by

762
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Speaker 4: some secuitest route.

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Speaker 2: So I'm I'm with the Angels on this one.

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Speaker 4: I understand everything you're saying, Brian, I totally get it,

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Speaker 4: but I don't think you can trade him because I

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Speaker 4: don't think that I don't think you want that to

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Speaker 4: be written on your graves.

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Speaker 5: Don't have to trade him, have to I So, I

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00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 5: feel like this story and we've talked about the story

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Speaker 5: on the show before. I've talked about this story on

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Speaker 5: almost every single.

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Speaker 1: Show I've done, like the last month.

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Speaker 5: It I agree with you at your core, Bright, at

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Speaker 5: the core of the story, it is a business decision,

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Speaker 5: and that business decision from a value standpoint, it makes

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Speaker 5: no sense to keep him if you are even ten, fifteen,

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Speaker 5: twenty percent concerned about him leaving and you're not one

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Speaker 5: hundred percent certain that you can sign him. And I

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Speaker 5: think the Angels have a pretty good sense of that

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Speaker 5: based off of their dealings with him, at least I

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Speaker 5: hope they do. They're not doing their due diligence properly

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Speaker 5: unless they can gauge their chances of keeping him this offseason.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what that number is, because obviously I'm

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Speaker 5: on the outside of this, but I'm assuming the Angels

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Speaker 5: think it's higher than maybe we think it is.

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Speaker 1: For them to not trade him.

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Speaker 5: Then you start to look at some of the other

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Speaker 5: things that have happened since they've announced they don't want

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Speaker 5: to trade him. You just said, it shut out two

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Speaker 5: home runs. They traded for Lucas Gilito, Mike Trouts expected

791
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Speaker 5: back in a few weeks. I can start to build

792
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 5: a case here why this is a good decision. But

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Speaker 5: then at the end of the day, it's almost like

794
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Speaker 5: it's kind of like a one night stand, Like it's

795
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:54,839
Speaker 5: fun while it's happening, but then you've got to wake

796
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Speaker 5: up the next day and you've got to try to

797
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 5: resign him this winner. That's the rub here, I think Brian,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's where I agree with you. At

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Speaker 5: your core, it was probably not not a good business

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Speaker 5: decision to keep him.

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Speaker 3: They're going all in. They are just six offsuit and

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Speaker 3: they hit the.

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Speaker 2: Nuts on the river.

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Speaker 3: Ye you're looking, You're at the table and you're like,

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Speaker 3: what any two right? I mean, maybe it could, And then.

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Speaker 2: The flop comes and you're like, oh, it's not looking good.

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Speaker 2: And then the turn in the river you're like, that

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Speaker 2: was stupid. I'll tell you why. I'll tell you why.

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Speaker 3: This story makes me think of why I love Belichick

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 2: Oh, what's going on? Everybody?

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Speaker 3: Well timed aggression, that's the key phrase.

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Speaker 3: So there are a couple other layers on this show. Hey,

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Speaker 3: O Tani situation. The angels are keeping him and they're idiots. Okay,

821
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: this is the thing. I'm not against gambling. You know,

822
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Speaker 3: we're gonna ramp up our gambling talk here pretty soon

823
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Speaker 3: as we march forward to the NFL college football seasons.

824
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 3: I'm not against gambling. I'm just against moves that are reckless.

825
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 3: You know, it's all about well timed aggression. You gotta

826
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Speaker 3: pick your spots. You can't be aggressive all the time

827
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Speaker 3: or you're gonna get burned. And I look at the

828
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Speaker 3: angels keeping show, Hey Otani, this is just wishful thinking

829
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Speaker 3: to the nth degree. And I understand that whatever you

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Speaker 3: get in return for Otani, it's going to be inferior.

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Speaker 3: Because Otani is that special of a player. You're gonna

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Speaker 3: get a couple of prospects, and especially in the short term,

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00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 3: you're gonna be like, this is all they got for Otani,

834
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 3: so it's going to be inferior. I agree with you there, Rich,

835
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 3: but there's another side to it. The trade package would

836
00:41:54,960 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 3: be superior to air meaning nothing right Like, they know

837
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Speaker 3: it's gonna be inferior to Otani, especially in the short term.

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00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 3: It's going to be superior to nothing. And that's why

839
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,879
Speaker 3: you gotta trade him. You can't walk away with nothing. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is why it makes me think of Bill Belichick.

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00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 3: I respect anybody in a position where they know if

842
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 3: they make the unpopular choice, they're going to hear about it.

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00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 3: They might hear about it for decades to come. And

844
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,360
Speaker 3: yet Belichick, you go way back when when the Patriots

845
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 3: were facing the Colts on the road fourth and two

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00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,680
Speaker 3: in the Patriots' own territory, and Belichick said, I'm going

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Speaker 3: for it. They're at about their own twenty five three

848
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,799
Speaker 3: yard line something like that, and he said, I'm going

849
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Speaker 3: for it. We're facing Peyton Manning, there's Marvin Harrison, there's

850
00:42:45,960 --> 00:42:48,240
Speaker 3: Reggie Wayne. We can't stop them, we can't get a stop.

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00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 3: I think our best chance is to go for it

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00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: on fourth and two deepen our own territory.

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00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:55,480
Speaker 2: And at that time in that era that.

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Speaker 3: Was radical, and he said, I think this gives us

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00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 3: the best chance to win. It backfired, he heard about it.

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Speaker 3: But what I love is that he wasn't swayed by

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Speaker 3: the negativity and the criticism that was to come if

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Speaker 3: he didn't get it done, and he still made that decision.

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Speaker 3: Sean Payton Saints against the Colts in the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 3: If that surprise on side and the second half doesn't work,

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Speaker 3: he's getting crushed for it. He knows that, yet he says,

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Speaker 3: I think this gives us the best chance to win.

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Speaker 3: I totally respect that. And for the Angels, they're doing

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Speaker 3: the opposite. They're saying, oh, we don't want to be

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Speaker 3: known as the organization that traded otone. You know what,

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Speaker 3: that's the best thing you can do for your organization

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Speaker 3: going forward, because he's most likely going to walk, and

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Speaker 3: if he does, your morons forgetting nothing for him. But

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Speaker 3: but you save some face with not being known as

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Speaker 3: the organization who traded him. If you're not putting your

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Speaker 3: organization in the best spot possible going forward, you are

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Speaker 3: not what the organization needs.

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Speaker 2: That's the bottom line, right.

874
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: But I could use the same argument to defend the

875
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: point I'm trying to make, like, like the same exact argument.

876
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 4: Fortune favors the bold, go for it on fourth and

877
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 4: two from the twenty eight yard line when you're leading

878
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 4: by six.

879
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,279
Speaker 2: That was my rookie year with the Patriots, by the way,

880
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,240
Speaker 2: I remember that play.

881
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.

882
00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 4: I was standing legitimately forty yards away from that play

883
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,319
Speaker 4: when it went down. I'm like, oh my god, we're

884
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 4: going for it. And it was an incomplete pass to

885
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 4: Kevin Falk And I remember Kevin watching the dejection on

886
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 4: both his and Tom Brady's face and then panning in

887
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: slow motion to our sideline and seeing people slap their

888
00:44:41,560 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 4: foreheads like the movie Airplane or or or the Naked

889
00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 4: Gun thirty three and a third. I was just like,

890
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 4: what what's happening. We're gonna lose this game. We lost

891
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:57,920
Speaker 4: the game. Anyways. The thought process, though, is there, and

892
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,080
Speaker 4: it's the same thought process for the Okay, so Fortune

893
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 4: favors the bold.

894
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. Maybe you're not going to do.

895
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:12,240
Speaker 4: The best thing, but it's the and I'm talking about

896
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,600
Speaker 4: the consensus best.

897
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 2: Thing for the organization, But it's what you think is

898
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:17,439
Speaker 2: the best thing.

899
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:22,600
Speaker 4: So if their thought process is hey, look, our best

900
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 4: route forward.

901
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 2: As an organization is with jo hey Otani.

902
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 4: And even though it looks fairly bleak right now that

903
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 4: we're not going to be able to retain him, we

904
00:45:34,520 --> 00:45:37,240
Speaker 4: have to say we will not be able to sleep

905
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:40,439
Speaker 4: at night if we don't say we tried everything. If

906
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: you trade him away, you didn't try everything.

907
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 2: You gave up.

908
00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 4: And so I'm right there with you, Brian, and I

909
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 4: completely understand. I support what you're saying. The smart thing

910
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 4: would be to trade him. The smart thing should have

911
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 4: been the Patriots punt in that situation, and we end

912
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 4: up losing that game. But I gotta be honest with you,

913
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: there was that little when I saw that the offense

914
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 4: was staying on the field, there was that feeling of like, oh,

915
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 4: when we win this game, this is the play that

916
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 4: they're going to be writing about. And of course we

917
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 4: lost the game, and that was the play that cost

918
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 4: us the game, but you.

919
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: Got writing about it.

920
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: You were right, Yeah, oh they wrote about it. I

921
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 2: could still find those articles, I'm fairly certain.

922
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 4: But but yeah, in this situation, I almost feel like

923
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:29,560
Speaker 4: your argument is better suited for what the Angels are

924
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 4: planning on doing, which is, hey, we gotta go for

925
00:46:32,719 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 4: it here. We don't have any choice but to try

926
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,760
Speaker 4: to sign show Heyo tiny long term.

927
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: But that's the thing is, I think this move is

928
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: more out of fear than out of aggression. That it's

929
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 3: the fear of we don't want to be part of.

930
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 5: It that I don't think we can fully comprehend because

931
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:48,800
Speaker 5: we're not receiving the offers.

932
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 1: Maybe they didn't get an offer that was really that good.

933
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna give it a lot of minor league.

934
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:55,359
Speaker 2: Game, that's what they're gonna say. It's show.

935
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,600
Speaker 3: It's not like a bag of baseballs and like some

936
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 3: Big league two you.

937
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,359
Speaker 1: Try to low ball.

938
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 5: Wouldn't you try to low ball the Angels at first blush?

939
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 5: Like if I was a GM and I was like, man,

940
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 5: we got this show, Hey Otani, guy dank and not

941
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 5: the Angels GM. Like the Angel Let's say I'm a

942
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:13,160
Speaker 5: Yankees GM or Cubs or Oils or whatever team that

943
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 5: was trying to bid for him. Wouldn't you low ball

944
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 5: the heck out of the Angels to think, Hey, maybe

945
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 5: they're desperate. Right, maybe they're desperate, But I think the

946
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 5: Giolito move this week shows that they're not. And they

947
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 5: obviously are willing to add around show Hey, and I

948
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,240
Speaker 5: think they are. You're right, maybe it's a hail Mary,

949
00:47:32,520 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 5: but they are trying to build some kind of a

950
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 5: future around Otani. Now, maybe he ends up leaving in

951
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:42,560
Speaker 5: three months, that's the more likely scenario.

952
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: Maybe he likes Anaheim. I'll be honest.

953
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:50,800
Speaker 5: A big thing for me with this whole debate watching

954
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 5: him interact with his teammates and how he has treated

955
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 5: Anthony Rendon, who has been he's been a little stand

956
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 5: offish with and who Rendon has been. I mean that

957
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:04,000
Speaker 5: situation was a total disaster, and how he's been around

958
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 5: his other teammates. It really does show me how much

959
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 5: he is part of that team, despite there being a

960
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:12,920
Speaker 5: bit of a cultural barrier, despite there being some you know,

961
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 5: maybe some guys are like, hey, he's just going to

962
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 5: leave anyways, Like why are we getting so close to show, Hey,

963
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 5: he's just going to bail on us in three months.

964
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 5: There is a bit of a camaraderie to that team

965
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:23,840
Speaker 5: despite all of the issues.

966
00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: That has impressed me.

967
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 5: And again, I think his performance since they announced they're

968
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,840
Speaker 5: not trading him is an indicator that that was the

969
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 5: right move, right because if he's slumped off. Oh no,

970
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 5: I gotta stan Anaheim now for the rest of the season,

971
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 5: and all of a sudden his production tailed off dramatically

972
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 5: down the stretch. I think that would be a leading

973
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 5: indicator that you're making the wrong decision. But the fact

974
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,200
Speaker 5: that they came out and said we're not trading you,

975
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 5: and then you go out and you pitch a nine

976
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,760
Speaker 5: and then shutout and hit two home runs the following

977
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 5: two games, I think, And granted, he's done that a

978
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,200
Speaker 5: lot this year, so maybe it's not that surprising, but

979
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 5: I do think the timing of that is in intriguing

980
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 5: to me that maybe you are pushing some of the

981
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 5: right buttons. Then they go add Lucas Glito, who pitched

982
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 5: well yesterday, and I think there is a little bit

983
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,240
Speaker 5: of hope, right, Maybe hope is the devil's you know, wish,

984
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 5: but there is a little bit of hope here.

985
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:16,920
Speaker 1: That they can turn things around.

986
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 5: And I think that's the only spark that they need

987
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 5: to at least try to go down this road of

988
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 5: keeping the best player in perhaps the history of baseball.

989
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 3: Okay, Jared, you especially, you're a gambler, you know riga right, Okay, Okay,

990
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 3: let me ask you guys a question. Would you gamble

991
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 3: on the Angels making the playoffs?

992
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 2: First off, no, okay, Jared, you.

993
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 5: Well hold on, Just like anything else, I need to

994
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,160
Speaker 5: check the price first hold on. I'm not going to

995
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 5: buy a car unless I know what the price is.

996
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,239
Speaker 5: I might be buying a Mercedes for really cheap, and

997
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 5: then sure I want it even though the gas mile

998
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 5: it sucks seven to one to make the playoffs.

999
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 1: Yes, I absolutely would make that though.

1000
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, so you're taking them seven to one

1001
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:01,080
Speaker 2: right now?

1002
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 3: Rich this question doesn't apply to you because you don't

1003
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,080
Speaker 3: have the Angels even in the playoffs. But Jared, do

1004
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 3: you have the Angels in the playoffs at seven to one?

1005
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 3: Do you have them making a deep run in the playoffs?

1006
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:11,440
Speaker 1: Probably?

1007
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 5: Not?

1008
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, are you gambling on? Show? Hey? Actually

1009
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 2: going back to the Angels.

1010
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 5: I would not make that bet, but again, I would

1011
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,560
Speaker 5: have to see the price because if it's another ridiculously

1012
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:26,680
Speaker 5: whopper of a price, I always lean in those markets

1013
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,840
Speaker 5: of which team will this player play for next? For example,

1014
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 5: there was a sports book that was offering like minus

1015
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:36,320
Speaker 5: two hundred odds for Otani to stay with the Angels.

1016
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 1: At the deadline, and.

1017
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:42,040
Speaker 5: That price is always baked with he's going, He's gone.

1018
00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:45,760
Speaker 5: It's the rumor mill, and and that always gives value

1019
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 5: to the incumbent team. So I probably would make that bet, okay,

1020
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 5: because it's probably gonna be overbooked.

1021
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: To the other side, we got it rich.

1022
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 3: You are you betting on Otani being back with the Angels? No, okay,

1023
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:03,960
Speaker 3: all right, so let's recap. You don't have the Angels

1024
00:51:03,960 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 3: in the playoffs. You definitely don't have them making a

1025
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 3: deep run in the playoffs. You don't have Otani going

1026
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 3: back to the Angels. But I'm supposed to be lying

1027
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:16,480
Speaker 3: to myself essentially and thinking, well, they picked up Lucas Giolito,

1028
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 3: he looked good last night, Like maybe hey, they get

1029
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: Shrout back and maybe they make a run at this thing,

1030
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 3: and then maybe Otani loves it there and maybe Otani's back.

1031
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:30,839
Speaker 2: Like it's wishful thinking to the max. Listen, your your

1032
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 2: points are all well founded. Mine are not. And I've

1033
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: I've been saying I've seen this from the beginning.

1034
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 4: I mean, honestly, what makes sense is getting as much

1035
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 4: as you possibly can for show. Hey Otani, and I

1036
00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 4: think anybody would agree with that. The problem is the

1037
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,439
Speaker 4: problem is we're we're we're omitting the human factor here.

1038
00:51:56,960 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 4: There is the fact that there's an actual person who

1039
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 4: actually occupies the position in the organization that has to

1040
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 4: press the button that says trade show hey Otani, and

1041
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 4: that guy is gonna have to wear it for the

1042
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,959
Speaker 4: rest of his career.

1043
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 3: Good and if he's good at his job, he will

1044
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 3: do so. And that's my whole point is the angels

1045
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 3: are shying away from that heat, and they're putting the

1046
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 3: organization in a bad position going forward.

1047
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 4: I don't disagree. I honestly don't disagree because I think

1048
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 4: it is Let's put it this way.

1049
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 2: Let's look at.

1050
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 4: It from two sides of the same coin. If Sho

1051
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 4: hey Otani goes off in trade and you end up

1052
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,600
Speaker 4: getting a fairly good package, maybe even a historically good package,

1053
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 4: but that package doesn't really pan out for you, and

1054
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 4: show Hey goes on to have some of the best

1055
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 4: years of his careers elsewhere, You're you're going to wear it,

1056
00:52:53,600 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: but you're going to wear it Worse is if you

1057
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:01,719
Speaker 4: get nothing for him, nothing, You have absolutely nothing to

1058
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 4: show for the fact that Shoe a Otani was once

1059
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 4: an Angel that you won the international bidding war that

1060
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,479
Speaker 4: occurred when he came to the United States to play

1061
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 4: in MLB. You got nothing in return for him. He

1062
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: walks out of your program, he signs with the Dodgers,

1063
00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 4: and he signs a gigantic contract, and he haunts you

1064
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,719
Speaker 4: for the rest of your life in southern California. Trust me,

1065
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:28,959
Speaker 4: I agree with you on the one side of the coin.

1066
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 4: It's better than the other side. Even if it doesn't

1067
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 4: pan out all that well for you, it's still, in

1068
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 4: practice a smarter way to do it. But I'm telling

1069
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 4: you right now, as a human being, even sometimes when

1070
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 4: I don't like it, even sometimes when I know it's wrong,

1071
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 4: if I want to keep my job, I'm gonna do something,

1072
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 4: because at the end of the day, I've got a

1073
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:56,840
Speaker 4: family waiting at home to have bread put on the table.

1074
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,680
Speaker 4: And I'm telling you, that's the way this general manager,

1075
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 4: that's the way this front office is thinking about this.

1076
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 4: We can't be the people who trade away show he

1077
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 4: Otani and we give him away for peanuts.

1078
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: It either has to.

1079
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,520
Speaker 4: Be such a sensational deal that nobody can argue with

1080
00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 4: the fact that we traded him, or he's got we've

1081
00:54:16,200 --> 00:54:18,359
Speaker 4: got to try to find a way to make him

1082
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: an angel for life.

1083
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 2: We're gonna move it forward.

1084
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 3: But a quick thought, our trusted producer Bo Benson has

1085
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 3: something on this.

1086
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,920
Speaker 12: Yeah, I keep thinking about it, like from Otani's perspective,

1087
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 12: where I feel like, if he was going to stay there,

1088
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,760
Speaker 12: he would have signed before hitting free agency. I agree,

1089
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:37,400
Speaker 12: because what what is keeping the Angels from giving him

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Speaker 12: seven hundred million dollars and then being like, well, you know,

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Speaker 12: we're paying you and Mike so much money, we can't

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00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 12: we can't sign any other guy, so you kind of

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00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 12: just have to go out there and do what you've

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Speaker 12: been doing. Like they've had Otani now for five years,

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Speaker 12: and they've been under five hundred I think every single year,

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Speaker 12: And I'm supposed to believe that one deadline where they

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Speaker 12: get a guy that's gonna be a free agent in

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Speaker 12: forty games is like gonna completely change his thinking like it.

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Speaker 12: I I just he's so gone, and I don't know

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Speaker 12: why the Angels bothered to make any moves. They really

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Speaker 12: should have entertained selling him.

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Speaker 2: I believe. Yeah, Hey, hey.

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Speaker 5: With wishful thinking men, they're hopeful optim they do not

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Speaker 5: subscribe to the bride know the version of thinking boost

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Speaker 5: his value?

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Speaker 3: You know, it's yeah, it's the dumb and dumber line.

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Speaker 3: So you're telling me there's a chance.

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Speaker 1: You wonder.

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Speaker 5: Honestly, that is the perfect way to describe the story.

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Speaker 5: The Angels won a few games, things started to go

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Speaker 5: a little better.

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Speaker 1: They had that crazy game against the Astros.

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Speaker 5: It was like back and forth extratings, and they're like, hey,

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Speaker 5: maybe there's a chance we could turn this.

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Speaker 12: Thing around, make him, make him hit seventy one home

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Speaker 12: runs so that the Dodgers give him an extra fifty

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Speaker 12: million dollars in the off season.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go.

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Speaker 2: He's so good.

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Speaker 5: We're just gonna put the next team that signs him

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Speaker 5: in the poorhouse. That's what we're gonna be.

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Speaker 2: So you're telling me there's a chance. Yeah, welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: Jim Irsay oh baby, so, he commented on the whole

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Speaker 3: running back situation. So he sent a tweet out this

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00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 3: week and just said, NFL running back situation. We have

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00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:33,080
Speaker 3: negotiated a CBA that took years of effort and hard

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00:57:33,120 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: work and compromise and good faith by both sides. To

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00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:40,919
Speaker 3: say now that a specific player category once another negotiation

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00:57:41,120 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 3: after the fact is inappropriate. Some agents are selling bad faith.

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00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:50,440
Speaker 3: So he was responding to Steelers running back Najee Harris,

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,439
Speaker 3: who was saying things like, hey, maybe the franchise tag

1158
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,560
Speaker 3: value for running backs should be higher. Anders is like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 3: we got a CBA. We're not doing any of that.

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Speaker 3: And so he tried to sort of clarify his statements,

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Speaker 3: maybe walk a little bit back, say hey, this is

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Speaker 3: what I was really intending. Because there's this running back

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Speaker 3: named Jonathan Taylor for the Colts who's looking for a contract,

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00:58:14,080 --> 00:58:17,240
Speaker 3: and Jim Mersey is like, tough deal with it is

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00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 3: essentially like the running back market as a whole. And

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Speaker 3: so he did an interview on the phone with ESPN

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Speaker 3: and he said the comment wasn't really directed at Jonathan.

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Speaker 3: We haven't exchanged any contract numbers with each other or

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Speaker 3: anything like that. It's like, wait a minute, wait a minute,

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Speaker 3: So you're trying to say, no, no, no, it's not a

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Speaker 3: Jonathan thing. We haven't offered him Jack just yet, Like

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Speaker 3: that doesn't make anything better.

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Speaker 2: So it's basically Ers.

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Speaker 3: Stepped in it with his left shoe and while looking

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Speaker 3: at the left shoe like, oh shoot, he's stepping in

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Speaker 3: it with his right shoe, and then dancing arette terrible job.

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Speaker 4: By Ersay, yeah, I mean, but when is it like

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00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 4: a really good job by Jim or.

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Speaker 2: Like, when's the last time we've caught ourselves saying that? Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I think the problem is whenever somebody speaks and nobody's

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00:59:11,640 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 4: looking for them to speak, usually it goes wrong, Like

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Speaker 4: like nobody was necessarily looking for Jim Rsey's thoughts on

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 4: the running back situation in the league, but he offered them.

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Speaker 4: You know, sometimes the best, like the best thing to

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00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 4: do is to be, you know, maybe quietly frustrated or

1186
00:59:34,720 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 4: upset with what's happening around you, but not voicing that opinion,

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00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 4: because sometimes opinions change, or sometimes your opinions when you

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00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 4: finally do vocalize them, they don't sound right, you know

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Speaker 4: what I mean? Because obviously it's a catch twenty two

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Speaker 4: Because he's going to be working on a deal with

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Speaker 4: Jonathan Taylor or not, or you know, there're gonna be

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Speaker 4: other running backs who are going to and perform for

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Speaker 4: his organization in the future, and he's gonna have to

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Speaker 4: at some point walk back those statements he did within

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Speaker 4: the almost the same twenty four hours, which I mean,

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Speaker 4: it just sort of feels like rinse and repeat with

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Speaker 4: this guy. How many times has he stepped in it

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Speaker 4: where he's gone back, double backed and then said, well,

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Speaker 4: I didn't quite exactly verbalize exactly what I meant, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's just funny.

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Speaker 2: The thing about words is you.

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Speaker 4: Say him and you you know, you group them together,

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Speaker 4: and that makes sentences, and enough of those you got paragraphs,

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Speaker 4: and then enough of those you have a full statement.

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01:00:38,080 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 4: And you know, sometimes those statements aren't exactly what your

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Speaker 4: brain hope they would turn out to be. It's just well,

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Speaker 4: then Ersay shut up already, Like how many times is

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Speaker 4: this gonna happen over the course of this illustrious career

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Speaker 4: of yours. It's it's bonkers to me that the same

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Speaker 4: people can make the same mistakes as often as Jim

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Speaker 4: Orsay has made them. But I think if I were

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Speaker 4: his public relations person, if I was the person who

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Speaker 4: was in charge of, you know, just sort of keeping him,

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Speaker 4: you know, cut and him the right way in terms

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Speaker 4: of the public guy, I would just be like, you

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Speaker 4: know what, here, give me your phone. I'm gonna throw

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Speaker 4: it in that lake over there. You're done tweeting forever,

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Speaker 4: and we're life is gonna be easier for you as

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Speaker 4: a result.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think the whole like Jim irsay on

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01:01:27,840 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 5: social media, it's not gonna end well, it's that there's

1222
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Speaker 5: going to be more of these.

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Speaker 1: And last year was Jeff Saturday. That wasn't a Twitter thing.

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Speaker 5: That was just an organizational decision that I still don't understand.

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01:01:40,320 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 5: But he made it, and he he stepped in it again,

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Speaker 5: and here we go.

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Speaker 1: It's it's man, I really I really.

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Speaker 5: Hope, I really hope that this doesn't turn into a

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Speaker 5: Jonathan Taylor referendum. It already kind of did, and I

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Speaker 5: think they diffused it as well as they could. And

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01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:03,160
Speaker 5: though you're right, they did kind of indirectly say that

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Speaker 5: we haven't.

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Speaker 1: Even offered a contract of this game, so like it.

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Speaker 5: Even while trying to fix the problem, he made it

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Speaker 5: somehow worse like pouring gasoline on the fire.

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Speaker 1: Let's just leave it at this.

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Speaker 5: I am going to hold a public relations convention here

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Speaker 5: in Las Vegas.

1239
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,600
Speaker 1: Plenty of conventions here in Vegas. I see the people

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Speaker 1: with the.

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Speaker 5: Little lanyards around their next all the time at the casinos.

1242
01:02:26,520 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 5: I am personally inviting Sean Payton and Jim Mersay as

1243
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Speaker 5: VIP attendees of the public of the Jared Smith First

1244
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:35,680
Speaker 5: Annual Public Relations Convention.

1245
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:36,880
Speaker 1: You're right.

1246
01:02:36,920 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 5: The first step is to stop tweeting. The second step

1247
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 5: is to stop loading up on caffeine before you go

1248
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,560
Speaker 5: make your first media stop of the morning. And I

1249
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,440
Speaker 5: think we should, you know, wrap this thing up at

1250
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 5: about a day or two. Guys, what do you think

1251
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:47,280
Speaker 5: you guys.

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01:02:47,080 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 1: Want to come to be panelists at my public relationship convention.

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Speaker 2: They call it caffeine.

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01:02:53,360 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm in.

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01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to bed too, Like is that the thing

1256
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: that we get some We all get a little caffeine. Yeah, sure,

1257
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:03,760
Speaker 2: sign me up for that. Sign me up.

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Speaker 3: Also if Isaac Loehencron, Oh, it's gonna be on the

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Speaker 3: panel as well.

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Speaker 2: Percent I low with the latest.

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Speaker 10: I've got a cup of coffee right here. Not Dan

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01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 10: Campbell levels of caffeine. But but then again, who who

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01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 10: does Let's face it, Actually, we'll be starting with some

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01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 10: fresh NFL news. In NFL NO just coming down multiple

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01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 10: outlets reporting a short time ago. The New England Patriots

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01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 10: are hosting running back a Ezekiel Elliott today on a

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01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:34,520
Speaker 10: free agent visit. Bill Belichick and Ezekiel Elliott. What a

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01:03:34,720 --> 01:03:38,920
Speaker 10: potential combination. In Major League Baseball. On Friday night, the

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Speaker 10: Cincinnati Reds beat the Dodgers in LA six to five.

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Speaker 10: The Reds moved half a game behind first place Milwaukee

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Speaker 10: in the NL Central. The Red Sox what at San

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Speaker 10: Francisco three to two. Boston on a five game winning streak.

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Speaker 10: Anthony santan Dare of the Baltimore Orioles hit a home

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Speaker 10: run at the bottom of the ninth I ninth to

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Speaker 10: give the O's a dramatic one nothing victory over the Yankees.

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:00,200
Speaker 10: Aaron Judge walked three times in his first game back

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Speaker 10: from a toe injury. Baltimore remained a game and a

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01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 10: half at a head of Tampa Bay in the American

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01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:09,080
Speaker 10: League East, Padres pummeled the Texas Rangers ten to one.

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01:04:09,120 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 10: San Diego starter Joe Musgrove improved to ten and three.

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01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 10: The Cubs led the Cardinals three to two with two

1282
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,600
Speaker 10: outs in the bottle of the ninth inning at Saint Louis.

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01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 10: The Cardinals had a runner on pitch hitter Alec Burlson

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01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 10: at the plate in Here's newly minted Hall of Famer

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01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 10: Pat hughes on WSCR.

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Speaker 13: And the pitch fly balls center field and deep that

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01:04:33,160 --> 01:04:36,720
Speaker 13: goes Totland on the warning track leaps up.

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Speaker 2: Did he make the Caps? He did?

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Speaker 1: What a play?

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01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 13: Tatman took a home run away from Furlason.

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Speaker 2: Cubs win the ball.

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Speaker 11: Game, their seventh consecutive victory.

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Speaker 10: Blue Jays over the Andreels four to one despite shoe

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Speaker 10: heey O'tommany hitting his thirty ninth home run and his

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Speaker 10: third in two games and three at bats, and Bobby

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01:04:58,480 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 10: Witt Junior of the Kansas Royals had a grand slam

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Speaker 10: of the bottle of the tenth inning to give k

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Speaker 10: C an eight to five win over the Minnesota Twins.

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Speaker 10: Fellas all yours.

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Speaker 3: You know what I low Typically you do great work.

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Speaker 3: This was your worst update yet. You got audio of

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Speaker 3: the Cubs beating.

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Speaker 1: I watched it live. That was one. I think that's

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Speaker 1: the play of the year, considering time and score.

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Speaker 10: And that's the second time he's done that, second time

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Speaker 10: he's done that. Sorry, Sorry, sorry, Brian, It's okay.

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Speaker 2: I still if you play Go Cubs Go, you're dead

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Speaker 2: to me.

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Speaker 11: I'm not the only one here. I mean if I

1310
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Speaker 11: along to it. No, it's grown on me.

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Speaker 1: It's grown on me.

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Speaker 2: You want to head but sharp objects. When I hear that, I'm.

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Speaker 10: I haven't forgotten the fact that you know you went

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Speaker 10: all that way nine hours or so.

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Sorry, but wait, you weren't at the game last night,

1317
01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:52,880
Speaker 2: were you?

1318
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:53,200
Speaker 1: No?

1319
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 2: No, not there, Go Cubs Go?

1320
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,080
Speaker 11: Are you a cubs?

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Speaker 5: You? Just?

1322
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Speaker 10: Cubs are going win today? The song has grown on me. No,

1323
01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:05,760
Speaker 10: good for you. Steve Goodman, whoever that is, that's the

1324
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 10: guy did the song.

1325
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:09,680
Speaker 2: I mean that really we should call you high low.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's rough, right though. Hey, at the end

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Speaker 3: of your first year, discover credit cards automatically double all

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Speaker 3: the cash back you've earned. That's right, everything you earned doubled.

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Speaker 3: Seriously see terms and check it out for yourself. You

1330
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:26,280
Speaker 3: got discover dot com slash match. Now, we were there

1331
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 3: a handful of weeks ago. It was I think it

1332
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 3: was a Friday night. It was my my girlfriend, my dad,

1333
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,600
Speaker 3: his wife, and the four of us went to a

1334
01:06:35,640 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 3: cards game, got rained out and they were like.

1335
01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:39,040
Speaker 2: Remember that.

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01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:40,680
Speaker 1: That was a tough break too. That's kind of here.

1337
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:42,200
Speaker 1: It's been for the cards though, Brian, it's been a

1338
01:06:42,280 --> 01:06:42,720
Speaker 1: rough year.

1339
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,640
Speaker 2: Oh it's that was a microcosm of the year. You're

1340
01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:46,320
Speaker 2: right about that.

1341
01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 3: Hey, you want to hear a bad argument. I always

1342
01:06:48,560 --> 01:06:52,479
Speaker 3: love a good bad argument. How about Titans running back

1343
01:06:52,680 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: Derrick Henry. Now we were talking about the running back situation,

1344
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 3: what Jim Mersey had to say about it. How about

1345
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 3: Derek Hena, who understandably is trying to do his part

1346
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 3: where running backs as a whole around the league are

1347
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 3: going to be paid more. That's fine, but the arguments here,

1348
01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 3: you guys tell me if you like these arguments or not.

1349
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:14,760
Speaker 2: It's tough right now.

1350
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 14: I just want to do anything possible to help show

1351
01:07:17,640 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 14: our value. Do it on the field, but definitely, you know,

1352
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 14: try to be together as a movement to improve the situation,

1353
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,600
Speaker 14: because there's been times where running back sometimes touches the

1354
01:07:29,640 --> 01:07:30,640
Speaker 14: ball more than a quarterback.

1355
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 2: Have y'all witnessed it. I'm pretty sure y'all have.

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01:07:33,400 --> 01:07:36,200
Speaker 14: So Yeah, So just trying to show that we are

1357
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 14: valuable as any other position, to use us in commercials

1358
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 14: and all over the place, and you know, we just

1359
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:44,400
Speaker 14: want our share.

1360
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Speaker 3: Do Oh my gosh, what a terrible argument. I need

1361
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:51,320
Speaker 3: to represent these running backs as a whole. Okay, Like,

1362
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 3: here's the argument. The pay doesn't match the production. That's

1363
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 3: the argument. Like, but as soon as you start telling me, hey,

1364
01:08:00,080 --> 01:08:01,880
Speaker 3: you see the running back touch the ball as much

1365
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 3: as a quarterback. No, not in this era. That's the exception,

1366
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 3: it's not the norm. And then to say, hey, we're

1367
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 3: as valuable as any other position.

1368
01:08:09,320 --> 01:08:12,000
Speaker 2: Are you serious right now? You that is such a

1369
01:08:12,040 --> 01:08:12,640
Speaker 2: bad argument.

1370
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 3: You think that running back should be paid as much

1371
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,960
Speaker 3: as quarterbacks, You're losing the argument.

1372
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:18,280
Speaker 2: And then the commercials thing.

1373
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,519
Speaker 3: Really, so any athlete in the commercial, they should be

1374
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:23,640
Speaker 3: paid top down? What are we doing over it? The

1375
01:08:23,840 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 3: argument is this. I liked what naj Harris said of

1376
01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 3: the Steelers. The only place where devalued is at the

1377
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:31,400
Speaker 3: negotiating table.

1378
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:33,800
Speaker 2: That's a great argument.

1379
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:37,040
Speaker 3: Because they're still getting their touches, you're still seeing yards,

1380
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,120
Speaker 3: you're still seeing touchdowns, you see all the production. It's

1381
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:43,160
Speaker 3: just devalued at the negotiating table. That is a great argument.

1382
01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 3: But Derek Henry Man, his heart is in the right place,

1383
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:47,160
Speaker 3: but his argument is not.

1384
01:08:47,320 --> 01:08:48,360
Speaker 2: His argument suck.

1385
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Speaker 4: I agree. I think that. I think that everything you

1386
01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:59,679
Speaker 4: just said double stamp that, And I think the arguments

1387
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 4: that make the most sense actually are not going to

1388
01:09:03,400 --> 01:09:07,400
Speaker 4: have much of an effect or much of a net

1389
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:11,719
Speaker 4: gain for the running backs of today. So I'm sorry

1390
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 4: Naj Harris, I'm sorry Jonathan Taylor and Tony Pollard and

1391
01:09:16,479 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 4: Josh Jacobs and Saquon Barkley and Derrick Henry Like your

1392
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:24,240
Speaker 4: guy's time has passed. It just has You've been in

1393
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 4: too long. You've the rules are structured, or I shouldn't

1394
01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 4: even say the rules really just these front offices found

1395
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 4: a way to sort of hot wire the system where

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01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:38,639
Speaker 4: they can get all of your value, your career value

1397
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 4: on your first contract by extending it with the franchise

1398
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 4: tag and drafting you appropriately high given your talent coming

1399
01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 4: out of college. I'm sorry that sucks. But for the future.

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Speaker 4: The one the one statement that has made the most

1401
01:09:55,800 --> 01:09:58,719
Speaker 4: sense to me since the beginning of this whole argument

1402
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 4: this offseason, and it's not my original thought. I'd love

1403
01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 4: to credit whoever came up with it. Let running backs

1404
01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 4: come into the league at a younger age than the

1405
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,559
Speaker 4: rest of the position groups. So have we ever worried

1406
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 4: about the tread on the tire of a nineteen year

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01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 4: old running back or a twenty year old running back?

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01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:18,160
Speaker 2: No, not really.

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01:10:18,840 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 4: But when, for whatever reason, when a running back gets

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 4: into the NFL at age twenty one twenty two, we

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,280
Speaker 4: start going eh ah.

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01:10:27,200 --> 01:10:29,720
Speaker 2: Two years later looking a little beat up.

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01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:32,759
Speaker 4: But say a running back comes out of high school

1414
01:10:32,840 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 4: and has one outstanding year at Alabama or you know,

1415
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:40,280
Speaker 4: at Georgia.

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01:10:40,439 --> 01:10:41,320
Speaker 2: You know, I'm naming an.

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01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 4: SEC school because a lot of people think that, hey,

1418
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,360
Speaker 4: maybe the best SEC school can go and play in

1419
01:10:46,400 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 4: the league and be the worst team in the whatever.

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Speaker 2: You get my point.

1421
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 4: Maybe it's the best comp to what they're going to

1422
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 4: see talent wise defensively against them in the NFL.

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01:10:56,040 --> 01:10:58,960
Speaker 2: So why don't we take a Georgia Bulldog.

1424
01:10:58,600 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 4: Running back after a sensation freshman year, you know, consensus

1425
01:11:02,120 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 4: All American year, and have him come into the league

1426
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:09,400
Speaker 4: and see if he can't make hay where later in

1427
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,799
Speaker 4: his career he's still got quote unquote tread on his tires.

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01:11:13,120 --> 01:11:16,160
Speaker 4: That to me is a solution that makes sense. Virtually

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01:11:16,439 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 4: everything else that has been spoken about makes close to

1430
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,520
Speaker 4: zero sense so far.

1431
01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's just leave it at this.

1432
01:11:23,240 --> 01:11:27,040
Speaker 5: Derrick Henry's situation that he was calling for the running

1433
01:11:27,040 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 5: back touches the ball more than the quarterbacks.

1434
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:30,479
Speaker 1: Some games, that's a bad game for that team.

1435
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 5: Usually that means that that team something went terribly wrong

1436
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 5: and they need to run like the wildcat formation for

1437
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:39,280
Speaker 5: fifty plays or something because they don't.

1438
01:11:39,080 --> 01:11:41,280
Speaker 1: Have a quarterback that can actually throw it down the field.

1439
01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:45,719
Speaker 5: If your running back is consistently carrying the ball more

1440
01:11:46,040 --> 01:11:49,479
Speaker 5: than the quarterback is throwing it, your offense needs to

1441
01:11:49,520 --> 01:11:52,519
Speaker 5: get with the times, man. Because I'm looking at the

1442
01:11:52,600 --> 01:11:55,160
Speaker 5: last few Super Bowl champs, and I'll tell you what

1443
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:59,160
Speaker 5: I don't see on the roster fifteen hundred yard backs

1444
01:11:59,280 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 5: carrying it for four hundred times a game. Go look at

1445
01:12:02,160 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 5: the Chiefs and the Rams rosters the last two years,

1446
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,439
Speaker 5: and you tell me where the Derrick Henry carry The

1447
01:12:07,479 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 5: male running back was the key to their success in

1448
01:12:11,360 --> 01:12:14,280
Speaker 5: winning a Super Bowl. Go back to that Tom Brady

1449
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 5: Super Bowl a couple years ago with the Bucks.

1450
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:18,720
Speaker 1: Could you find a.

1451
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 5: Running back on that team that could do anything in

1452
01:12:20,520 --> 01:12:23,360
Speaker 5: the regular season Leonard Fournette then in the playoffs, had

1453
01:12:23,680 --> 01:12:27,120
Speaker 5: his say, but it's just that's not the world we

1454
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,320
Speaker 5: live in. It's like the creators of the BlackBerry getting

1455
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,639
Speaker 5: upset that the iPhone became such a thing and now

1456
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:37,040
Speaker 5: the BlackBerry is a relic. You don't see the owners

1457
01:12:37,080 --> 01:12:39,719
Speaker 5: and the founders of BlackBerry coming on the screen saying, Man,

1458
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 5: if people just use our thing more, we'd be right

1459
01:12:42,280 --> 01:12:42,960
Speaker 5: back in the game.

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01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't because that's not the reality we

1461
01:12:45,640 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 1: live in. The reality we.

1462
01:12:47,240 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 5: Live in it is a passing league, which means the

1463
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 5: quarterback is valued first, then stopping the pass is valued second,

1464
01:12:54,360 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 5: ie defensive lineman, rush end, cornerback, et cetera. And then

1465
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 5: you put the wide receivers on the list because they're

1466
01:12:59,960 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 5: the ones that are catching the passes.

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01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,519
Speaker 1: It just doesn't work. Here's an idea, Derek, how about

1468
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:05,000
Speaker 1: you turn.

1469
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,120
Speaker 5: Your game and he can't do this because unfortunately he's

1470
01:13:07,160 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 5: a bit of his you know, his career is kind

1471
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:12,879
Speaker 5: of on the back nine. Turn yourself into Jamir Gibbs

1472
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 5: where you can catch the ball and run the ball.

1473
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 5: Turn yourself into Corderyl Patterson, turn yourself into Deebo Samuel

1474
01:13:20,000 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 5: and Rich's advice, I think is absolutely spot on.

1475
01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:24,639
Speaker 1: Let these guys come out.

1476
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 5: A year or two earlier and give them the opportunity

1477
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:30,800
Speaker 5: to get that second contract when there is still tread

1478
01:13:30,840 --> 01:13:33,759
Speaker 5: on the tires. There are a lot of great arguments

1479
01:13:33,800 --> 01:13:35,839
Speaker 5: to make to help the running back position.

1480
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:37,880
Speaker 1: Derek Henry just didn't make one of them.

1481
01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:39,400
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, there's no doubt.

1482
01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 3: And I'll throw this at you real fast because Jay Hart,

1483
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 3: he writes for Yahoo Sports, and there was something that

1484
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:49,800
Speaker 3: he put out that I found fascinating. He wrote, in

1485
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 3: a four year span between nineteen ninety six and ninety nine,

1486
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 3: Barry Sanders, Terrell Davis, Emmett Smith, and Marshall Falk each

1487
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 3: signed contract worth more than thirty million dollars annually when

1488
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,519
Speaker 3: adjusted for inflation. Like, that's what it would be worth

1489
01:14:06,600 --> 01:14:10,639
Speaker 3: right now, thirty million per season. And he wrote they

1490
01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:14,120
Speaker 3: were making about the same as John Elway was when

1491
01:14:14,200 --> 01:14:16,640
Speaker 3: he was winning a pair of Super Bowls with the Broncos.

1492
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,200
Speaker 3: So comparo, they were all valued back then, Right, that's fine.

1493
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:23,600
Speaker 3: But the crazy thing is when you look at just

1494
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,160
Speaker 3: touches and production and all of that, if you compare

1495
01:14:27,320 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 3: I just took Terrell Davis's nineteen ninety seven season. That

1496
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 3: was the first season they won a Super Bowl and

1497
01:14:32,439 --> 01:14:35,200
Speaker 3: he was outstanding. Had over had seventeen hundred and fifty

1498
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:38,960
Speaker 3: yards rushing fifteen touchdowns. If you compare that to Josh

1499
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:43,080
Speaker 3: Jacobs of the Raiders last season, Josh Jacobs had sixteen

1500
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:48,640
Speaker 3: more yards from scrimmage, right, Like Terrell Davis had eighteen

1501
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:54,160
Speaker 3: more touches, Yet Josh Jacobs had sixteen more yards. Like,

1502
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 3: how many more yards do you think Josh Jacobs would

1503
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 3: have had with those eighteen additional touches?

1504
01:14:59,640 --> 01:14:59,960
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1505
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,360
Speaker 3: I mean, like, so we've got a bunch of wives

1506
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 3: tales and a bunch of false information. We no longer

1507
01:15:05,960 --> 01:15:08,240
Speaker 3: have the bell cow running back. You hear that all

1508
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:11,040
Speaker 3: the time. Or quarterbacks are running more, they're taking touches

1509
01:15:11,080 --> 01:15:14,519
Speaker 3: away from running backs. The top running backs are still

1510
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:18,640
Speaker 3: producing a lot. It hasn't fallen off the cliff, but

1511
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,200
Speaker 3: the pay has, right, Like, I just hate the spread

1512
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 3: of false information to try to explain why the pay

1513
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 3: has slid so much.

1514
01:15:28,720 --> 01:15:30,479
Speaker 2: A lot of it is just not accurate.

1515
01:15:31,439 --> 01:15:36,440
Speaker 4: I agree with you, But we're also like we're spotlighting

1516
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 4: certain teams like Consensus. When you look back then the

1517
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 4: running back overall was more important to how every team

1518
01:15:43,200 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 4: built themselves up. Nowadays, you can spotlight certain teams like

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01:15:47,560 --> 01:15:50,760
Speaker 4: the Titans, like the Raiders last year, you know, like

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01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 4: the Colts from two thoy twenty one when Jonathan Taylor

1521
01:15:55,360 --> 01:15:58,280
Speaker 4: was healthy. You know, you look at certain teams and

1522
01:15:58,320 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 4: you say, oh, well, they were so running back reliant.

1523
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:03,479
Speaker 4: We're living in a time where running backs are still

1524
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 4: producing at large, and they're just being paid a smaller

1525
01:16:07,479 --> 01:16:12,320
Speaker 4: amount overall. Well, that's because in those specific instances. Yeah,

1526
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,840
Speaker 4: you're absolutely right, But overall, most teams are turning away

1527
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:18,880
Speaker 4: from the running back position, which deflates the value of

1528
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 4: EVN the best running.

1529
01:16:20,320 --> 01:16:21,519
Speaker 2: Backs in the game.

1530
01:16:21,960 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 4: Back then, with TD, every team had a belcow running back.

1531
01:16:26,120 --> 01:16:29,040
Speaker 4: These days, not every team is looking for that bell

1532
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 4: cow anymore.

1533
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,800
Speaker 3: All Right, we've got Yeah, we've got Rich Orenberger, Penn

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Speaker 3: State All American, Chared Smith FSR betting analyst.

1535
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Speaker 2: I've only heard Jackpot a couple of times for the most.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's he's been good. He's out on the balcony

1537
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:43,479
Speaker 5: right now working on his tan.

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01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,080
Speaker 1: That's in his butt cheeks.

1539
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 2: I'm Brian.

1540
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 3: Now coming up next, which young gun is the biggest draw.

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01:16:50,600 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 3: It's Fox Sports Saturday right here on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: and save at Progressive dot Com. Okay, So this quarterback

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01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:23,440
Speaker 3: series on Netflix season one quite the hit, right, featuring Mahomes,

1550
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 3: Kirk Cousins, Marcus Mariota. So looking to run it back

1551
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:30,640
Speaker 3: for year two. Reaching out to all these NFL quarterbacks,

1552
01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,559
Speaker 3: and a lot of them are saying no, no, thank you.

1553
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 3: You got to a tongue of I loois saying no, no,

1554
01:17:36,280 --> 01:17:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm more of a of a private persons.

1555
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 3: It's very detailed in terms of a personal and family life.

1556
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,680
Speaker 3: I just I'd rather not okay, fine, justin field to

1557
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 3: the Bears, no thank you. Jalen Hurts of the Eagles

1558
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 3: not interested. So here's here's what I'm thinking. If you

1559
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,800
Speaker 3: look at the rookie quarterbacks, let's look at the top

1560
01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 3: five guys, right, or pick in the top five. So

1561
01:18:01,360 --> 01:18:04,519
Speaker 3: you've got Bryce Young number one, You've got CJ. Stroud

1562
01:18:04,600 --> 01:18:07,719
Speaker 3: number two overall, and then Anthony Richardson of the Colts

1563
01:18:08,240 --> 01:18:09,360
Speaker 3: going fourth overall.

1564
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,480
Speaker 2: If Netflix could hard knocks.

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01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:15,000
Speaker 3: This thing, you know what I mean, Like they're able

1566
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:17,639
Speaker 3: to hand pick one of these guys and the player

1567
01:18:17,720 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 3: can't say, no, which one do you think they would

1568
01:18:21,479 --> 01:18:23,760
Speaker 3: hand pick? Which one do you think is either the

1569
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 3: most interesting, the most high profile? What would Netflix get

1570
01:18:28,080 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 3: the biggest bang for their buck if they were able

1571
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,719
Speaker 3: to take one of the rookie quarterbacks in the top five.

1572
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 4: M the best bang for their buck. I mean, like

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01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,080
Speaker 4: I'm I'm tempted to say Bryce Young just because I

1574
01:18:44,160 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 4: want to. I mean, he's first overall, right, so you

1575
01:18:48,080 --> 01:18:51,439
Speaker 4: want to go with first overall because you know, that's

1576
01:18:51,479 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 4: a considerable amount of pressure, especially with a brand new

1577
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:57,280
Speaker 4: head coach in Carolina with Frank Reich and him teaming

1578
01:18:57,360 --> 01:19:01,599
Speaker 4: up to figure it all out together. But I'm very

1579
01:19:01,640 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 4: curious about Anthony Richardson and how that's all going to

1580
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 4: pan out in Indianapolis. So selfishly I'm thinking more Indianapolis

1581
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:14,120
Speaker 4: and I would love to see Anthony Richardson. But I

1582
01:19:14,160 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 4: do think the first overall pick. If you had to

1583
01:19:17,880 --> 01:19:19,840
Speaker 4: force someone's hand, that would be the one I would

1584
01:19:19,840 --> 01:19:20,479
Speaker 4: want to see.

1585
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,879
Speaker 5: Apparently, Bryce Young's the brightest mind to play the quarterback

1586
01:19:23,880 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 5: position in college football over the last few decades from

1587
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:27,599
Speaker 5: what I've heard from everyone.

1588
01:19:27,880 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 1: Wonderlick test back that up. So I want to go

1589
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 1: through his process every week.

1590
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:35,120
Speaker 5: But in terms of star value, I mean, Will Levis's

1591
01:19:35,120 --> 01:19:37,320
Speaker 5: girlfriend stole the show on Draft night, right, can we.

1592
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 1: Get mister Levison there to tell us that story?

1593
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:42,240
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit?

1594
01:19:43,000 --> 01:19:45,800
Speaker 3: He's backing up Tannehill, Right, Remember when Tannehill with the

1595
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,679
Speaker 3: Dolphins had a beautiful wife and that was a big

1596
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:51,519
Speaker 3: thing at the time. You know, I think the number

1597
01:19:51,520 --> 01:19:53,760
Speaker 3: one overall pick, you'd get some sizzle with that.

1598
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1599
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 3: I think CJ. Stroud's story is going to be really

1600
01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 3: interesting because he goes from five first round wide receiver

1601
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 3: at Ohio State to the Texans. I think there's gonna

1602
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 3: be some struggles. I think that would be a compelling, compelling.

1603
01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:07,599
Speaker 2: Storyline this seasons.

1604
01:20:07,640 --> 01:20:10,080
Speaker 3: They might choose him all right, coming up next, what

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01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:11,400
Speaker 3: could be versus?

1606
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Speaker 2: What is oh welcome in? What could be versus?

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01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 3: What is a little side by side comparison on the way.

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Speaker 3: We've got a couple of injuries in the preseason with

1613
01:20:39,720 --> 01:20:45,479
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow, Bengals quarterback, going down strained calf, so he's

1614
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,559
Speaker 3: gonna be out for multiple weeks. You also have Jalen

1615
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 3: Ramsey of the Dolphins tornmaniscus, has a knee injury, gonna

1616
01:20:52,920 --> 01:20:57,280
Speaker 3: have knee surgery, might be gone until December. That is

1617
01:20:57,520 --> 01:21:01,280
Speaker 3: uh that that's a big, big setback for the Dolphins

1618
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:03,679
Speaker 3: right there. And listen, we brought this up a little

1619
01:21:03,720 --> 01:21:06,719
Speaker 3: bit earlier. I just think there's a huge difference between

1620
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:09,600
Speaker 3: what could be and what is. And I know that

1621
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:12,400
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow is the more valuable player. That's obvious. He's

1622
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 3: one of the top quarterbacks. Most people have him as

1623
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:18,720
Speaker 3: number two, just behind Patrick Mahomes, So we all know

1624
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 3: how valuable having a guy like that he is. But

1625
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 3: I think the way it's viewed is interesting, where it's

1626
01:21:25,200 --> 01:21:30,479
Speaker 3: looked at like oh, if Joe Burrow misses however long,

1627
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:34,280
Speaker 3: that's a huge Like he's probably not going to write

1628
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 3: like we're in late July here. My money is on

1629
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:40,360
Speaker 3: he'll be there in week one. Like I think it's

1630
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,040
Speaker 3: it's close to a certainty he will be there in

1631
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:48,200
Speaker 3: week one unless he has a further setback. So the

1632
01:21:48,240 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 3: more impactful injury is Jalen Ramsey by far. I just

1633
01:21:52,760 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 3: think it's interesting how it can turn into well, if

1634
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 3: it lingers and if it progresses, and if it turns

1635
01:21:59,360 --> 01:22:03,080
Speaker 3: into an Aki's injury, that, oh, that's bad for the Bengals.

1636
01:22:03,080 --> 01:22:05,000
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, true, we could play that game with

1637
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,240
Speaker 3: any injury. But what's most likely to happen is Joe

1638
01:22:08,240 --> 01:22:11,560
Speaker 3: Burrow's not gonna miss a down in the beginning of

1639
01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:14,879
Speaker 3: the regular season because of this injury, and Jalen Ramsey

1640
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:17,639
Speaker 3: he might get back in December for the stretch run.

1641
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:19,520
Speaker 3: That's way more impactful.

1642
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we always do this. It's it's our

1643
01:22:23,360 --> 01:22:27,959
Speaker 4: it's human nature. It's in our nature to compare things,

1644
01:22:28,479 --> 01:22:34,040
Speaker 4: either because obviously they're comparable based on similarities or timing.

1645
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:37,400
Speaker 4: I mean, how often do you look at I don't know,

1646
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,880
Speaker 4: two relationships that have nothing to do with each other.

1647
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:44,320
Speaker 4: But two of your buddies got married at the same time,

1648
01:22:44,800 --> 01:22:48,320
Speaker 4: and you go, well, that relationship's gonna last and they

1649
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:49,400
Speaker 4: are doomed.

1650
01:22:49,160 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 2: You know what I mean.

1651
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 4: Like, those two relationships have nothing to do with each other.

1652
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,160
Speaker 4: You shouldn't compare them. Why would you? The only reason

1653
01:22:57,280 --> 01:23:00,559
Speaker 4: is timing. And so when we look at this situation

1654
01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,799
Speaker 4: with Joe Burrow, I agree with you and Jalen Ramsey

1655
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 4: there is no comp There is no comparison here. I

1656
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:11,480
Speaker 4: mean based on the based on the position they play,

1657
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,560
Speaker 4: based on the shape that their teams are in completely

1658
01:23:15,600 --> 01:23:20,719
Speaker 4: different situations in my opinion, And also I look at

1659
01:23:21,320 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 4: you know, in terms of consequential uh nature. I mean, yeah,

1660
01:23:25,280 --> 01:23:28,800
Speaker 4: obviously it's of greater consequence when your your quarterback gets hurt.

1661
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:32,559
Speaker 4: But we're talking about a soft a soft tissue injury

1662
01:23:33,000 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 4: that hopefully takes a very short amount of time for

1663
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,599
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow to come back from. Maybe he's lagging a

1664
01:23:38,600 --> 01:23:41,240
Speaker 4: little bit to start the season, maybe he's still suffering

1665
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,000
Speaker 4: some of the pains of not having a full and

1666
01:23:44,080 --> 01:23:48,120
Speaker 4: complete preseason to compete against his own team or other

1667
01:23:48,160 --> 01:23:52,720
Speaker 4: teams in the preseason. But yeah, it's gonna be it's

1668
01:23:52,720 --> 01:23:56,679
Speaker 4: gonna be far more consequential for the Miami Dolphins losing

1669
01:23:57,200 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 4: a star starting corner for a significant chunk of their season,

1670
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 4: assuming Joe Burrow comes back on a normal calf, spring

1671
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:08,040
Speaker 4: or string timeline.

1672
01:24:08,439 --> 01:24:09,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the key.

1673
01:24:09,400 --> 01:24:12,679
Speaker 5: I think it's what Joe Burrow we get in week one, right,

1674
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:16,680
Speaker 5: and then beyond that because I would and again this

1675
01:24:16,760 --> 01:24:18,920
Speaker 5: is an estimate on my eyes, I think one game

1676
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 5: of Joe Burrow's maybe worth three or four games of

1677
01:24:21,479 --> 01:24:24,759
Speaker 5: Jalen Ramsey. So if Joe misses two or three games,

1678
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,679
Speaker 5: then yeah, you're talking about maybe the entire season being

1679
01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:30,559
Speaker 5: impacted in terms of the Bengals are going to be

1680
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:33,120
Speaker 5: big dogs in those games, and they're probably not going

1681
01:24:33,160 --> 01:24:35,120
Speaker 5: to win those games, and it is going to impact

1682
01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:37,880
Speaker 5: their chances of winning a super Bowl, which is the

1683
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,600
Speaker 5: end goal. Whereas I think those hopes for the Dolphins,

1684
01:24:41,680 --> 01:24:46,440
Speaker 5: despite this injury, are still relatively intact, and I don't

1685
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:48,960
Speaker 5: in fact, I can even make a case that a

1686
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 5: guy like Jalen Ramsey, who's very injury prone, maybe it's

1687
01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,880
Speaker 5: best for him to just chill the first twelve weeks.

1688
01:24:56,120 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 5: I know that that's gonna sound crazy because you want

1689
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 5: him to play, obviously, you want him to play, but

1690
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 5: he can't.

1691
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:01,439
Speaker 1: He's hurt.

1692
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 5: Now, the scenario is if he comes back healthy, he

1693
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 5: will be coming back at a time where you need

1694
01:25:07,320 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 5: to be playing your best football or else you will

1695
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:13,679
Speaker 5: definitely be going home. So it is a really tough

1696
01:25:13,720 --> 01:25:17,000
Speaker 5: situation for Miami. I still think their goal of winning

1697
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 5: a Super Bowl, as long as Tua is upright, is

1698
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:23,719
Speaker 5: still intact, Whereas the Bengals goal of winning a Super

1699
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:27,479
Speaker 5: Bowl without Joe Burrow is pie in the sky, no shot,

1700
01:25:27,800 --> 01:25:31,000
Speaker 5: no chance, mail it in, move on to next year.

1701
01:25:31,640 --> 01:25:34,200
Speaker 5: That's why I think the scales are a little bit

1702
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:37,920
Speaker 5: unbalanced here. It's really tough to compare a quarterback injury

1703
01:25:38,080 --> 01:25:42,479
Speaker 5: to a cornerback injury. But if Joe does end up

1704
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,639
Speaker 5: missing time, even if it's just a few games, yeah,

1705
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:47,559
Speaker 5: I think that's going to impact the Bengals chances of

1706
01:25:47,560 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 5: winning a Super Bowl a little bit more.

1707
01:25:49,120 --> 01:25:51,840
Speaker 3: But that's the thing, man is, I would compare it

1708
01:25:51,880 --> 01:25:55,720
Speaker 3: to an even less valuable position than cornerback. If this

1709
01:25:55,800 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 3: is a top running back, Jalen Ramsey's one of the

1710
01:25:57,920 --> 01:26:01,280
Speaker 3: top cornerbacks in football. Sure, If this instead is one

1711
01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:04,080
Speaker 3: of the top running backs in football and he's got

1712
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 3: a torn meniscus and he might be out until December.

1713
01:26:07,400 --> 01:26:11,280
Speaker 3: That's way more impactful then Joe Burrow, who's probably gonna

1714
01:26:11,280 --> 01:26:14,519
Speaker 3: be out for like two three weeks maybe four, and

1715
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,840
Speaker 3: he's gonna be there for week one. Like, it's the

1716
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,880
Speaker 3: the injury specifically, it's not the position. It's not the

1717
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:23,719
Speaker 3: caliber player. That's really not it. It's the exact injury.

1718
01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 3: And if Joe Burrow isn't gonna miss time, like even

1719
01:26:27,880 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 3: if it was a running.

1720
01:26:28,720 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 2: Back compared to and I think that's fair.

1721
01:26:30,840 --> 01:26:34,559
Speaker 3: It's a devalued position at the negotiating table and all

1722
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:37,200
Speaker 3: of that, Like people poop poo the running back position.

1723
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,960
Speaker 3: If this is Derrick Henry or Josh Jacobs or Austin Eckler,

1724
01:26:42,080 --> 01:26:46,160
Speaker 3: like that would actually be more impactful than Joe Burrow

1725
01:26:46,200 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 3: because it's not what could be Like Joe Burrow, this

1726
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:50,880
Speaker 3: could linger and could lead to something else.

1727
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:53,559
Speaker 2: It's what is. It's he's probably not gonna miss.

1728
01:26:53,400 --> 01:26:55,599
Speaker 3: A down, right, So even if this is an RB

1729
01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:58,520
Speaker 3: instead of a CB, I think that would be more impactful.

1730
01:26:59,000 --> 01:27:01,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I look, the trick of.

1731
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:04,679
Speaker 4: It is like we again, we're only forced to compare

1732
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:06,719
Speaker 4: these things because of the timing of the two injuries

1733
01:27:06,720 --> 01:27:10,600
Speaker 4: that happened the opening week of training camp, there is

1734
01:27:10,640 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 4: no comparison here. I honestly think the team that's going

1735
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,639
Speaker 4: to struggle the most from this injury, unless Joe Burrow

1736
01:27:17,720 --> 01:27:23,320
Speaker 4: misses significant time, is going to be the Miami Dolphins.

1737
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,160
Speaker 2: Losing Jalen Ramsey. That is obviously of more consequence.

1738
01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,880
Speaker 4: But just speaking about overall the importance of quarterback in

1739
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:34,439
Speaker 4: this league and really where this league is heading with

1740
01:27:34,640 --> 01:27:39,959
Speaker 4: betting and with you know, Vegas and and the odds

1741
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:46,479
Speaker 4: and odds makers and futures. Like what Jared said to

1742
01:27:46,600 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 4: start this show today was stunning. Jalen Ramsey goes down

1743
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 4: and it's announced that it's going to be a long

1744
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:55,680
Speaker 4: term injury. Everybody just moses on with the rest of

1745
01:27:55,720 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 4: their day. Joe Burrow goes down, and they literally free

1746
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:01,240
Speaker 4: the futures mark.

1747
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:05,040
Speaker 2: But that's all based on what could be, not what is.

1748
01:28:05,439 --> 01:28:07,920
Speaker 5: So even after Jalen Ramsey's injury was announced, the only

1749
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:10,640
Speaker 5: noticeable change I saw was the point total in the

1750
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:13,200
Speaker 5: Chargers Dolphins game went from forty nine to fifty. Oh,

1751
01:28:13,320 --> 01:28:15,360
Speaker 5: so they're saying that Jalen Ramsey's worth a point in

1752
01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,439
Speaker 5: the total. Whereas Joe Burrow goes down, the Bengals go

1753
01:28:18,479 --> 01:28:21,439
Speaker 5: from minus three on the road Week one to now

1754
01:28:21,439 --> 01:28:22,560
Speaker 5: they're an underdog.

1755
01:28:22,800 --> 01:28:25,759
Speaker 3: But that would lead you to believe that not having

1756
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:29,880
Speaker 3: Jalen Ramsey until December doesn't even really matter, And that's

1757
01:28:29,960 --> 01:28:30,639
Speaker 3: not true.

1758
01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:31,439
Speaker 2: Oh no, it is.

1759
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 5: It matters, but it doesn't matter in the scheme of

1760
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,519
Speaker 5: the gambling markets, which to me is really the only

1761
01:28:37,640 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 5: thing that matters.

1762
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 2: Well, it's not.

1763
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:45,200
Speaker 3: Sometimes it gets you away from the reality of football. Okay,

1764
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,920
Speaker 3: if you tell me Jalen Ramsey is healthy for an

1765
01:28:48,040 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 3: entire season versus Jalen Ramsey is healthy for like the

1766
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:55,320
Speaker 3: final five games of the regular season, that's a huge difference.

1767
01:28:55,360 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 1: I agree.

1768
01:28:55,800 --> 01:28:57,639
Speaker 5: But as a Dolphins fan, would you rather have them

1769
01:28:57,640 --> 01:29:01,479
Speaker 5: weeks one through eighteen or weeks twelve through the Super Bowl?

1770
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,599
Speaker 2: I'd rather have him the full season, I got your put.

1771
01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:05,760
Speaker 2: That's not the reality we live in.

1772
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:07,760
Speaker 5: I'm sure Derek Henry would love to have running backs

1773
01:29:07,800 --> 01:29:09,560
Speaker 5: getting paid, but that's not the reality that we live in.

1774
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:11,640
Speaker 1: Is that he's hurt. Here's the situation.

1775
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:14,719
Speaker 5: The Dolphins could still get him back at the moment

1776
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:17,000
Speaker 5: that they need him most to win the super Bowl,

1777
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:19,280
Speaker 5: which is the team goal. Obviously, if they start zero

1778
01:29:19,280 --> 01:29:21,840
Speaker 5: to twelve, none of this matters. I don't think losing

1779
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:24,320
Speaker 5: Jalen Ramsey will prevent them from going at least five

1780
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,240
Speaker 5: hundred in those first twelve games, right.

1781
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:28,680
Speaker 4: I'll simplify this to say it this way, like the

1782
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:31,479
Speaker 4: worst case scenario. It feels like right now we're talking

1783
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,960
Speaker 4: about a cafstrain and we're talking about meniscus tear. We're

1784
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:38,120
Speaker 4: not talking about things that we've never seen before. Most likely,

1785
01:29:38,200 --> 01:29:40,479
Speaker 4: Jalen Ramsey is coming back. He'll play a portion of

1786
01:29:40,520 --> 01:29:43,160
Speaker 4: this season, probably gonna be late in the season, unfortunately

1787
01:29:43,200 --> 01:29:45,960
Speaker 4: for the Dolphins. And then with Joe Burrow, most likely

1788
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,799
Speaker 4: it doesn't miss any time. Will he may be hampered

1789
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 4: to start the season. Potentially, we'll see. But say it's

1790
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:57,240
Speaker 4: the worst case scenario. Say Joe Burrow isn't available until

1791
01:29:57,280 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 4: Week five, right, something crazy like that, misses the first

1792
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:05,080
Speaker 4: four games, and Jalen Ramsey worst case scenario. Again, worst

1793
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:09,000
Speaker 4: case scenario, maybe he misses the season. What's more consequential?

1794
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:12,360
Speaker 4: If you're asking me flat out, what's worse the Bengals

1795
01:30:12,360 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 4: missing their star quarterback Joe Burrow for four weeks or

1796
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:20,439
Speaker 4: Ramsey's gone for an entire year. I'm still going with

1797
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow being unavailable for four weeks is more consequential

1798
01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 4: to the chances of the Cincinnati Bengals vying for a

1799
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:30,000
Speaker 4: championship than Jalen Ramsey out for an.

1800
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:31,799
Speaker 3: I disagree with you, and I'll give you an example.

1801
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 3: The Cowboys last season. They had Cooper Rush in there

1802
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 3: and they had a respectable record while Dak Prescott was hurt.

1803
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:41,479
Speaker 3: It can happen where ken you're back up quarter where

1804
01:30:41,479 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 3: he is not Joe Burrow, right, but you're treading water.

1805
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 2: Right, you're two and two. Best case, you're probably three

1806
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 2: and one.

1807
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:51,559
Speaker 3: Probably best case scenario is that, like, listen, I get

1808
01:30:51,600 --> 01:30:53,160
Speaker 3: how valuable Joe Burrow is.

1809
01:30:53,200 --> 01:30:55,519
Speaker 2: I get how valuable it is to have a top quarterback.

1810
01:30:55,560 --> 01:30:58,840
Speaker 3: That's fine, but sometimes we take it way too far

1811
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:02,920
Speaker 3: with Rows out for four weeks and Ramsey's out for

1812
01:31:03,160 --> 01:31:07,040
Speaker 3: seventeen games and Burt like, is what the Bengal is

1813
01:31:07,040 --> 01:31:07,360
Speaker 3: gonna be?

1814
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh and four? Like they don't have talent around whoever's

1815
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 2: the backup quarterback? Like there have been many.

1816
01:31:12,640 --> 01:31:15,400
Speaker 3: Seasons where the backup QB comes in there, whether it's

1817
01:31:15,439 --> 01:31:19,479
Speaker 3: Bubby Brister for Joe John Elway or you know what, right.

1818
01:31:19,360 --> 01:31:21,520
Speaker 1: Like, we've had those situations.

1819
01:31:21,640 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 2: Now we're really having a day, right Like, I don't

1820
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:28,479
Speaker 2: know either.

1821
01:31:28,560 --> 01:31:30,600
Speaker 5: I think. I think the way that I'll close it

1822
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,320
Speaker 5: is just to me, Joe's worth at least four or

1823
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 5: five games for every other player than every other position.

1824
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:41,240
Speaker 5: So if Joe misses one game and Jalen Ramsey's out

1825
01:31:41,240 --> 01:31:43,840
Speaker 5: for twelve games, Yeah, Jalen Ramsey, that will have a

1826
01:31:43,880 --> 01:31:46,960
Speaker 5: slightly bigger impact. If Joe's out for the first month

1827
01:31:47,000 --> 01:31:49,960
Speaker 5: of the season and the Bengals start oh to four,

1828
01:31:51,160 --> 01:31:54,960
Speaker 5: the conversation's over that impact was significantly higher to the

1829
01:31:54,960 --> 01:31:58,479
Speaker 5: bengals chances of winning a Super Bowl than Jalen Ramsey's impact.

1830
01:31:58,560 --> 01:32:01,679
Speaker 3: But there are so many star players that we're taking

1831
01:32:01,720 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 3: it way too far. Would you say five games that's

1832
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:06,560
Speaker 3: what Joe Burrow is worth compared.

1833
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:09,400
Speaker 1: To say, I mean, this is a guess. People don't

1834
01:32:09,479 --> 01:32:10,320
Speaker 1: rolst me on Twitter for this.

1835
01:32:10,439 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 5: I would say a star quarterback in the league is

1836
01:32:12,840 --> 01:32:16,799
Speaker 5: worth multiple games for every non star quarterback.

1837
01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:19,600
Speaker 3: Okay, so if it's Aaron Donald of the Rams or

1838
01:32:19,720 --> 01:32:23,559
Speaker 3: Travis Kelcey, what he means that Chiefs passing attack I

1839
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:29,280
Speaker 3: think it's like five games.

1840
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:31,760
Speaker 4: I agree too, because if you think about Brian no

1841
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:36,200
Speaker 4: everybody we talked to, anybody who had a breath in

1842
01:32:36,240 --> 01:32:40,440
Speaker 4: their lungs, who thought to themselves, Okay, let's be realistic

1843
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:43,920
Speaker 4: about what just happened to the Chiefs last offseason. Last offseason,

1844
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:47,360
Speaker 4: he Mahomes just lost Tyreek Hill. How are they going

1845
01:32:47,439 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 4: to recover from it? They recovered by winning the Super Bowl.

1846
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:50,799
Speaker 2: That's not the argument.

1847
01:32:50,880 --> 01:32:56,000
Speaker 3: Like the goalposts, I'm saying, Joe Burrow versus Travis Kelsey,

1848
01:32:56,000 --> 01:32:58,679
Speaker 3: there's Nomes versus Graft below Mahomes.

1849
01:32:58,760 --> 01:33:00,920
Speaker 5: Let's be honest, guys, They're both in the same stratosphere.

1850
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,120
Speaker 5: Mahomes is just a little bit ahead. They're both in

1851
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:05,040
Speaker 5: the same stratosphere in my eyes, they really are.

1852
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:08,759
Speaker 4: They're I mean, just in general, and I'm not gonna

1853
01:33:08,760 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 4: say every quarterback, but you know, let's lump in a

1854
01:33:11,880 --> 01:33:12,559
Speaker 4: couple others.

1855
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:15,080
Speaker 2: You know, an Allen, A Herbert, A Mahomes, a.

1856
01:33:15,120 --> 01:33:19,280
Speaker 4: Burrow, a Tua to a greater or lesser extent, a

1857
01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 4: Jalen Hurts.

1858
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:23,200
Speaker 2: Like, quarterbacks have become so important.

1859
01:33:22,840 --> 01:33:25,599
Speaker 4: In this league that any of those that I just mentioned,

1860
01:33:25,920 --> 01:33:30,840
Speaker 4: they go down the decline that their team experiences is precipitous,

1861
01:33:31,160 --> 01:33:34,160
Speaker 4: like to a tongue of I LOOA getting injured last

1862
01:33:34,200 --> 01:33:37,439
Speaker 4: season for what may end up roughly or two seasons ago,

1863
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:39,679
Speaker 4: may end up roughly being the same amount of time

1864
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,679
Speaker 4: that Ramsey is injured this season has a bigger impact

1865
01:33:43,680 --> 01:33:46,280
Speaker 4: on the Dolphins than Ramsey missing that same amount of time.

1866
01:33:46,640 --> 01:33:47,439
Speaker 2: And it's obvious.

1867
01:33:47,479 --> 01:33:50,800
Speaker 4: It's just because it's a more consequential position, it's of

1868
01:33:50,920 --> 01:33:54,160
Speaker 4: more value. And that's the reason why, you know, I mean,

1869
01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:56,519
Speaker 4: when we have this conversation about running back value or

1870
01:33:56,560 --> 01:34:01,000
Speaker 4: positional value, quarterbacks are paid routinely the highest on every

1871
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:05,320
Speaker 4: single team. It's because everybody realizes that value if you're

1872
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:09,719
Speaker 4: starting quarterback goes down. You have Skyler Thompson in the game.

1873
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,639
Speaker 2: And they went so if the Bills and almost one

1874
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know.

1875
01:34:15,560 --> 01:34:19,000
Speaker 5: Brian, I honestly think this is they have depth at

1876
01:34:19,000 --> 01:34:20,160
Speaker 5: that position, first of all.

1877
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,840
Speaker 1: Second of all, it's the quarterback.

1878
01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:26,840
Speaker 5: The market moves like a full touchdown when it went

1879
01:34:26,840 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 5: from Aaron Rodgers to Jordan Love.

1880
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:33,280
Speaker 15: That's fine, that doesn't quarterback, Like, I don't care the market,

1881
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 15: what the market market is, How the markets the market,

1882
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:39,400
Speaker 15: I mean everything the market is all about gambling in points.

1883
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:42,599
Speaker 1: The market is a projection of that team. It's power ratings.

1884
01:34:42,760 --> 01:34:45,280
Speaker 5: It's okay, fine, the fact what market didn't what happened

1885
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 5: inch for Jalen Ramsey tells you everything you need.

1886
01:34:47,479 --> 01:34:50,400
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't like the market lies to you all

1887
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:53,519
Speaker 3: the time. It paints the pictures. If Jalen Ramsey doesn't matter,

1888
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:54,280
Speaker 3: that's just stupid.

1889
01:34:54,360 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 1: No, he doesn't matter.

1890
01:34:55,640 --> 01:34:58,320
Speaker 5: The total moved up a point with the charge the

1891
01:34:58,320 --> 01:34:59,599
Speaker 5: market param market show.

1892
01:35:00,439 --> 01:35:00,519
Speaker 9: No.

1893
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:02,960
Speaker 3: Look at the market with the Dallas Cowboys last year.

1894
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,040
Speaker 3: Did the market change when Dak Prescott went down? And yes,

1895
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:11,559
Speaker 3: they went. They went and one the he with mar

1896
01:35:14,520 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 3: significantly exactly, and it didn't matter in actuality they went for.

1897
01:35:22,360 --> 01:35:24,960
Speaker 4: That is such an exception though, Like I mean, the

1898
01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:29,160
Speaker 4: typical the typical response to a quarterback going down is

1899
01:35:29,400 --> 01:35:31,320
Speaker 4: uh oh.

1900
01:35:30,560 --> 01:35:31,160
Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

1901
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 4: Like, even if it's Jamis Winston and all of a

1902
01:35:33,880 --> 01:35:37,240
Speaker 4: sudden you're starting his backup, You're like, uh oh, it

1903
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 4: doesn't matter.

1904
01:35:38,040 --> 01:35:39,080
Speaker 2: It's it's all.

1905
01:35:39,200 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 4: I'll go back to the comment that I made about

1906
01:35:41,040 --> 01:35:44,160
Speaker 4: the offensive line coach in New England. I I a

1907
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:48,719
Speaker 4: guy stepped on Tom Brady's toe and for fifteen minutes

1908
01:35:48,800 --> 01:35:52,880
Speaker 4: during an offensive line meeting, the room was berated for

1909
01:35:53,080 --> 01:35:57,400
Speaker 4: one man's inability to stop the defensive pass rush before

1910
01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 4: he backpedaled into our starting quarter. I never, not once

1911
01:36:02,360 --> 01:36:06,799
Speaker 4: ever experienced across my football playing career, like the film

1912
01:36:06,840 --> 01:36:10,719
Speaker 4: coming to a screeching halt, to say to somebody, hey, listen,

1913
01:36:11,080 --> 01:36:14,559
Speaker 4: that corner is our whole season. We need to protect

1914
01:36:14,560 --> 01:36:17,320
Speaker 4: that man with all of our lives. Like it's just

1915
01:36:17,520 --> 01:36:20,800
Speaker 4: not I understand what you're saying. In this one instance,

1916
01:36:21,200 --> 01:36:23,600
Speaker 4: the fact that Jalen Ramsey is going to be unavailable

1917
01:36:23,680 --> 01:36:28,000
Speaker 4: for what seems to be much longer than Joe Burrow. Yeah,

1918
01:36:28,040 --> 01:36:30,679
Speaker 4: it is going to have more of a consequential effect

1919
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:35,200
Speaker 4: on the Miami Dolphins than Joe Burrow's sprain calf will have.

1920
01:36:35,200 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 2: On the Cincinnati Bengals.

1921
01:36:36,840 --> 01:36:41,040
Speaker 4: However, if these were the same injuries, there would be

1922
01:36:41,080 --> 01:36:41,799
Speaker 4: no contest.

1923
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:45,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely, But that guy goes to a quarterback every time.

1924
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:49,120
Speaker 3: But that's we're making it sound like if I don't know,

1925
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:53,760
Speaker 3: if the star edge rusher has a knee injury, he's

1926
01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:56,000
Speaker 3: got to have it scoped. He'll be out until December.

1927
01:36:56,320 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 3: But the quarterback, he's got a sprained left shoulder, and

1928
01:37:01,600 --> 01:37:04,240
Speaker 3: he's not gonna miss any time. Well, I mean the quarterback,

1929
01:37:04,360 --> 01:37:05,120
Speaker 3: just because there's.

1930
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 5: Still comparison with how the impact that the quarterback has

1931
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,280
Speaker 5: a on a team compared to it. Even though the

1932
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:13,360
Speaker 5: defensive ends quarterbacks, they matter a con I'm not saying

1933
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:17,759
Speaker 5: it's not gonna matter, but the quarterback matters so much

1934
01:37:17,880 --> 01:37:21,400
Speaker 5: more that it's just it's an impossible comparison to make

1935
01:37:21,640 --> 01:37:24,960
Speaker 5: unless Jalen Ramsey misses the entire year and Joe Burrow

1936
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:25,599
Speaker 5: doesn't play.

1937
01:37:25,680 --> 01:37:27,840
Speaker 1: One doesn't also, And I'll.

1938
01:37:27,720 --> 01:37:29,559
Speaker 4: Give you a comparison that you were just talking about,

1939
01:37:29,640 --> 01:37:32,639
Speaker 4: like an edge rusher going down versus quarterback. The Buffalo

1940
01:37:32,720 --> 01:37:35,439
Speaker 4: Bills last year, lose Von Miller, there's still a thirteen

1941
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:39,439
Speaker 4: win season. If they lose Josh Allen, there is no

1942
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:41,160
Speaker 4: way they're a thirteen win league.

1943
01:37:41,520 --> 01:37:43,919
Speaker 3: Fine, but you guys are blowing it out of proportion.

1944
01:37:44,120 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 3: I'm not telling you quarterback isn't the most important position.

1945
01:37:47,439 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 2: It is.

1946
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:50,960
Speaker 3: I'm telling you it's not the only position. You guys

1947
01:37:51,000 --> 01:37:53,920
Speaker 3: are making it sound like quarterback goes down, we're freaking doomed.

1948
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:59,280
Speaker 3: Or if the start rusher goes down, that's okay, it

1949
01:37:59,280 --> 01:38:01,800
Speaker 3: only moves the point total a point like big deal.

1950
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:04,720
Speaker 3: It's like, what are you guys saying right now? Like

1951
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 3: no star player outside a quarterback matters.

1952
01:38:07,600 --> 01:38:10,720
Speaker 5: That it doesn't matter in terms of the win expectancy

1953
01:38:10,840 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 5: in that game.

1954
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:15,439
Speaker 2: I don't care what the win expectancy is. I don't care,

1955
01:38:15,840 --> 01:38:16,280
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.

1956
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 5: What does it matter If the win expectancy doesn't shade,

1957
01:38:22,160 --> 01:38:25,519
Speaker 5: if the win expectancy doesn't change, then the Dolphins are

1958
01:38:25,560 --> 01:38:27,600
Speaker 5: going to be just fine. Also, have some faith in

1959
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 5: Xavian Howard.

1960
01:38:28,439 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 1: He's a star.

1961
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:30,759
Speaker 2: He'll be Savian Howard is fine.

1962
01:38:30,920 --> 01:38:32,920
Speaker 1: The Dolphins secondary will be fine.

1963
01:38:33,040 --> 01:38:36,360
Speaker 5: Vic Fangio will cook up a scheme that will mask

1964
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:39,320
Speaker 5: one side of the field and make Howard the star

1965
01:38:39,520 --> 01:38:41,839
Speaker 5: and forty times you'll be back.

1966
01:38:41,800 --> 01:38:44,599
Speaker 3: If it's a three time first first team All Bro

1967
01:38:44,840 --> 01:38:47,680
Speaker 3: big deal. Sure, shrug your shoulders the next man.

1968
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,680
Speaker 5: But no Dolphins super But like to me, the end

1969
01:38:50,760 --> 01:38:53,439
Speaker 5: goal for every team is to win the Super Bowl.

1970
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:56,880
Speaker 5: Does this injury impact the Dolphins chances of winning a

1971
01:38:56,920 --> 01:39:00,760
Speaker 5: Super Bowl more than the Bengals chances of winning the

1972
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:01,320
Speaker 5: Super Bowl?

1973
01:39:01,400 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 2: Absolutely, Joe, because Joe Burrow's not gonna miss a week.

1974
01:39:06,200 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 1: We don't know that yet.

1975
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:09,840
Speaker 5: Though we don't know that yet, and we don't know

1976
01:39:09,880 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 5: what Joe Burrow is going to get when he comes back.

1977
01:39:12,479 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 1: Joe Burrow's fine, He probably will be fine.

1978
01:39:15,880 --> 01:39:18,960
Speaker 5: But we're speaking in hypotheticals here, yeah, we are, because

1979
01:39:18,960 --> 01:39:20,240
Speaker 5: we don't know what his cap will be when he

1980
01:39:20,240 --> 01:39:20,639
Speaker 5: comes back.

1981
01:39:21,080 --> 01:39:23,160
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I I've played on a lot

1982
01:39:23,200 --> 01:39:25,480
Speaker 4: of years on a lot of teams, and I've had quarterbacks,

1983
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,679
Speaker 4: starting quarterbacks get injured, and I've had corners get injured.

1984
01:39:29,080 --> 01:39:33,720
Speaker 4: I've never felt the death march walking into a facility

1985
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,360
Speaker 4: the way I did when when a quarterback went down.

1986
01:39:37,400 --> 01:39:39,720
Speaker 2: Compared to any other position on the field, you.

1987
01:39:40,040 --> 01:39:42,920
Speaker 4: All of a sudden feel like, uh oh, we lost

1988
01:39:42,920 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 4: our captain and we're miles from shore.

1989
01:39:45,439 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 2: What do we do now? Yeah?

1990
01:39:47,080 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 3: But okay, but now you're trying to cover uh Tyreek

1991
01:39:50,720 --> 01:39:54,519
Speaker 3: Hill or DeVante Adams with your backup dude, Like that

1992
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:56,800
Speaker 3: can kill you in a playoff game.

1993
01:39:56,880 --> 01:39:58,720
Speaker 2: That can lead the losses in the regular.

1994
01:39:58,479 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 1: Season, but by the playoffs though I hope.

1995
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,559
Speaker 2: They're in the playoffs. That's hey.

1996
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Speaker 3: about quarterbacks this way. We've got Jared Smith. Nothing matters

2011
01:40:49,479 --> 01:40:53,640
Speaker 3: but quarterback in the NFL. That's what I've gathered today.

2012
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Speaker 2: And kickers matter, Yeah right, kickers quarterback kiss the only

2013
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2017
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2018
01:41:09,360 --> 01:41:11,880
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2025
01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 2: Slash match.

2026
01:41:28,280 --> 01:41:32,320
Speaker 3: Colorado moving on from the PAC twelve heading to the

2027
01:41:32,439 --> 01:41:37,080
Speaker 3: Big twelve next year in twenty twenty four, and Manfela

2028
01:41:37,120 --> 01:41:39,840
Speaker 3: is the PAC twelve, yike. I don't know if it's

2029
01:41:39,880 --> 01:41:42,599
Speaker 3: on life support right now, but it is looking back.

2030
01:41:42,760 --> 01:41:46,200
Speaker 3: The biggest blow obviously was USC and UCLA set to

2031
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:50,320
Speaker 3: join the Big ten next year. Now Colorado joins the party.

2032
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:53,720
Speaker 3: The exodus out from the PAC twelve, and now you

2033
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:57,120
Speaker 3: start getting the speculation. Could it be Washington or Oregon next?

2034
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:00,719
Speaker 3: Could it be Arizona, Arizona State. If it's anybody else

2035
01:42:00,760 --> 01:42:05,719
Speaker 3: Man not having that LA market like San Diego State,

2036
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:09,080
Speaker 3: that's not gonna do it. So I think the PAC

2037
01:42:09,160 --> 01:42:13,040
Speaker 3: twelve's numbers as a power five conference are numbered, and

2038
01:42:13,080 --> 01:42:15,799
Speaker 3: I don't think it's in the too far distant future

2039
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,120
Speaker 3: that they might crumble altogether.

2040
01:42:18,200 --> 01:42:18,439
Speaker 2: Here.

2041
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, listen, we talk about this a lot

2042
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 4: on this show because of the betting flavor that we

2043
01:42:27,800 --> 01:42:29,759
Speaker 4: we definitely take up with.

2044
01:42:29,720 --> 01:42:32,519
Speaker 2: During the fall, money talks.

2045
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:36,439
Speaker 4: Everything else in this world, if you really get the

2046
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:40,360
Speaker 4: root of it, is kind of beloney, like money.

2047
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:42,759
Speaker 2: Talks and the reality of the Power five.

2048
01:42:42,840 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 4: The reason why we refer to it as the Power

2049
01:42:45,360 --> 01:42:49,400
Speaker 4: five is because networks are willing to spend the most

2050
01:42:49,439 --> 01:42:50,080
Speaker 4: money with them.

2051
01:42:50,600 --> 01:42:50,960
Speaker 2: That's it.

2052
01:42:51,439 --> 01:42:55,160
Speaker 4: That's the biggest separator between the Power five and the

2053
01:42:55,160 --> 01:42:59,920
Speaker 4: Group of five is how much money ESPN, Fox, ABC,

2054
01:43:00,000 --> 01:43:05,799
Speaker 4: the NBCCBS, whoever else streaming wants to carry these games

2055
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 4: is willing to play or to pay to play this content.

2056
01:43:10,560 --> 01:43:11,200
Speaker 2: That's it.

2057
01:43:11,880 --> 01:43:14,519
Speaker 4: And so if the PAC twelve or the PAC ten,

2058
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:18,960
Speaker 4: whatever they are now the Pack nine nine, Pack nine,

2059
01:43:18,720 --> 01:43:22,880
Speaker 4: if they can't assemble a group of teams within this

2060
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:28,640
Speaker 4: conference that fetches them a large sum of money that

2061
01:43:28,680 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 4: puts them in the conversation with the rest of these

2062
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 4: power conferences.

2063
01:43:32,640 --> 01:43:36,080
Speaker 2: They are no longer a power conference. It's that simple.

2064
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:40,479
Speaker 4: And you know, the rich get richer, and maybe the

2065
01:43:40,479 --> 01:43:43,840
Speaker 4: Big twelve gets stronger here and stronger if there is

2066
01:43:43,920 --> 01:43:48,240
Speaker 4: a complete dissolution of this conference, or maybe what ends

2067
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:50,960
Speaker 4: up happening is the rest of the teams remain loyal

2068
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:55,320
Speaker 4: and the PAC twelve is somewhere, or the PAC nine,

2069
01:43:55,400 --> 01:43:58,280
Speaker 4: the PAC eleven, whatever they end up being come next

2070
01:43:58,280 --> 01:44:02,639
Speaker 4: season or the seasons to you know, sometime in the future,

2071
01:44:03,439 --> 01:44:06,639
Speaker 4: maybe they become sort of a weird middle ground somewhere,

2072
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:10,320
Speaker 4: a bridge between the Group of five and the Power four.

2073
01:44:11,240 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 4: But we know what this means. It is unless something

2074
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:18,840
Speaker 4: major changes, this is the beginning of Dan for the Pack,

2075
01:44:19,320 --> 01:44:20,640
Speaker 4: for the Pack as we know it.

2076
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:24,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I agree that the PAC twelve probably is not

2077
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:27,759
Speaker 5: going to survive this long term. But I'll be honest,

2078
01:44:28,439 --> 01:44:32,960
Speaker 5: I don't really think conferences are relevant anymore in college football.

2079
01:44:33,600 --> 01:44:35,439
Speaker 5: And I've been making this ar this is probably the

2080
01:44:35,439 --> 01:44:39,120
Speaker 5: hottest take that I have, but I think all conferences

2081
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 5: should be completely abolished. They serve no actual besides the

2082
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:49,800
Speaker 5: historical significance of this team playing this team, and the

2083
01:44:50,280 --> 01:44:53,519
Speaker 5: you know, just the nostalgia of it. They serve no

2084
01:44:53,720 --> 01:44:57,479
Speaker 5: upside to making college football a better product. The way

2085
01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 5: that I would do it is I would treat it

2086
01:44:59,160 --> 01:45:02,639
Speaker 5: like European football the English Premier League. You've got let's

2087
01:45:02,640 --> 01:45:06,000
Speaker 5: say thirty teams that are in the Premier League every

2088
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,840
Speaker 5: year of college football. We know who most of them are,

2089
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:11,040
Speaker 5: but there's probably a few at the bottom that can

2090
01:45:11,080 --> 01:45:15,000
Speaker 5: be interchanged, and those teams that are maybe thirty one,

2091
01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 5: thirty two, thirty three, thirty four to thirty five have

2092
01:45:17,479 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 5: a chance to get promoted, just like the English Premier League.

2093
01:45:20,240 --> 01:45:23,759
Speaker 1: Every year, those thirty teams, let's call it the Super Conference,

2094
01:45:23,800 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 1: I don't care what you call it.

2095
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:27,679
Speaker 5: Those are the only teams that are eligible every year

2096
01:45:27,720 --> 01:45:30,240
Speaker 5: for the College Football Playoff. Let's be honest, the list

2097
01:45:30,280 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 5: every year of teams that probably can win it is

2098
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:35,200
Speaker 5: probably more like five or ten, but let's just put

2099
01:45:35,200 --> 01:45:38,320
Speaker 5: thirty in there, just to make it a nice round number.

2100
01:45:38,600 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 5: All of the other teams in college football play in

2101
01:45:40,760 --> 01:45:43,880
Speaker 5: some lesser conference, and they all play each other. You

2102
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:46,439
Speaker 5: can keep some of the nostalgic rivalries if you'd like,

2103
01:45:46,520 --> 01:45:48,960
Speaker 5: scheduling wise, but at the end of the day, the

2104
01:45:49,000 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 5: only thing that matters is the Super Conference of college football,

2105
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:56,759
Speaker 5: and that conference determines who wins the College Football Playoff

2106
01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,640
Speaker 5: every year. The Pac Twelve, the Big Twelve, jockeying for

2107
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:03,240
Speaker 5: sand Diego State and Cincinnati and b Y, it's all meaningless.

2108
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:05,479
Speaker 1: None of those teams are gonna move.

2109
01:46:05,439 --> 01:46:10,320
Speaker 5: The football forward to raise college football's profile and create

2110
01:46:10,400 --> 01:46:12,880
Speaker 5: this I mean, it's already the culture well playoff is

2111
01:46:12,920 --> 01:46:16,719
Speaker 5: a spectacle to continue to raise that bar. The Big

2112
01:46:16,760 --> 01:46:19,840
Speaker 5: twelve and the Pac twelve are only hindering that end goal.

2113
01:46:19,960 --> 01:46:22,439
Speaker 5: So just blow it all up, it doesn't matter and

2114
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:25,920
Speaker 5: make one super conference with the best teams every year,

2115
01:46:26,240 --> 01:46:32,559
Speaker 5: the best matchups. That's what plan Commissioner's coosootball jeraredsy Here's.

2116
01:46:32,360 --> 01:46:36,160
Speaker 3: The deal, man, is this is just gonna keep happening

2117
01:46:36,880 --> 01:46:38,760
Speaker 3: for years. This is not gonna be hot take. But

2118
01:46:38,800 --> 01:46:42,479
Speaker 3: follow me on this one. You're gonna see this team

2119
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 3: switch conferences. You're gonna see conferences change. You might see

2120
01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 3: a conference dissolve. You're gonna see that. But I read

2121
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,400
Speaker 3: this stuff and I'll hear, hey, where is this ultimately

2122
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:53,080
Speaker 3: ending up?

2123
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,200
Speaker 2: Could it be the Big.

2124
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:57,880
Speaker 3: Ten in the SCC kind of like in the NFL,

2125
01:46:57,960 --> 01:47:01,759
Speaker 3: like the AFC and the NFC and nobody else matters.

2126
01:47:01,800 --> 01:47:04,679
Speaker 3: It's like that type of stuff where no, man, we're

2127
01:47:04,720 --> 01:47:08,439
Speaker 3: not gonna have just fifty teams duking it out for

2128
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 3: a championship and like the eighty others are just gone

2129
01:47:12,880 --> 01:47:15,679
Speaker 3: and forgotten about. That's just so stupid. You're gonna see

2130
01:47:15,720 --> 01:47:18,800
Speaker 3: more realignment. You're gonna see this team going there that

2131
01:47:19,080 --> 01:47:22,120
Speaker 3: it's gonna change the landscape. But for it to just

2132
01:47:22,640 --> 01:47:26,120
Speaker 3: splinter off, that's like saying, Yo, California just splinters off

2133
01:47:26,160 --> 01:47:28,639
Speaker 3: from the rest of the country and it's over there

2134
01:47:28,640 --> 01:47:31,720
Speaker 3: in the Pacific, but it's okay. You know, It's just no, man,

2135
01:47:31,800 --> 01:47:34,479
Speaker 3: it's not going to be like that. In college football.

2136
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:36,800
Speaker 3: You're not going to have it splinter to the point

2137
01:47:36,840 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 3: where you're gonna have fifty or sixty teams that are

2138
01:47:39,600 --> 01:47:42,080
Speaker 3: just buying for a championship, not when we have twelve

2139
01:47:42,160 --> 01:47:45,080
Speaker 3: teams in the playoff now. So some of this stuff

2140
01:47:45,160 --> 01:47:48,920
Speaker 3: just prognosticating where it ultimately ends up. I don't agree

2141
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 3: with at all. But someone who I do always agree

2142
01:47:52,240 --> 01:47:55,400
Speaker 3: with outside of him singing, go Cubs go. It's the

2143
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 3: one exception would be Isaac Low and Crawn with the

2144
01:47:58,040 --> 01:47:59,759
Speaker 3: latest I Low, what's going on, buddy?

2145
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 10: Well, guys, we'll start with a bit of NFL news

2146
01:48:03,479 --> 01:48:06,320
Speaker 10: on this Saturday morning, and multiple outlets sporting that the

2147
01:48:06,360 --> 01:48:09,719
Speaker 10: New England Patriots are hosting running back Ezekiel Elliott today

2148
01:48:09,800 --> 01:48:12,880
Speaker 10: on a free agent visit. In Major League Baseball, on

2149
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 10: Friday night, the Cincinnati Reds defeated the Dodgers in LA

2150
01:48:16,160 --> 01:48:18,400
Speaker 10: six to five to move half a game behind first

2151
01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:21,720
Speaker 10: place Milwaukee in the NL Central. The Red Sox won

2152
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:24,080
Speaker 10: at San Francisco three to two, a five game winning

2153
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:28,240
Speaker 10: streak four Boston Baltimore's Anthony santan Dare hit a home

2154
01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 10: run in the bottom of the night thitting to give

2155
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:32,320
Speaker 10: the Orioles a one to nothing win over the Yankees.

2156
01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:35,040
Speaker 10: Aaron Judge walked three times at his first game back

2157
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:38,879
Speaker 10: from a toe injury. The Padres pounded the Texas Rangers

2158
01:48:38,920 --> 01:48:42,240
Speaker 10: ten to one, as San Diego starting pitcher Joe Musgrove

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Speaker 10: improved to ten and three Blue Jays over the Angels

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Speaker 10: four to one. Despite sho hey Otani hitting his thirty

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Speaker 10: ninth home run, his third home run in two games

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Speaker 10: his third home run in three at bats, Kansas City's

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Speaker 10: Bobby Wedd hit a game wedding grand slam on the

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Speaker 10: bottom of the tenth to give the Royals an eight

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Speaker 10: to five win over the Twins and much to the

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Speaker 10: dismay much to the chagrin of Brian no Last night

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Speaker 10: in Saint Louis, Cubbs, holding on to a three two

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Speaker 10: lead over the Saint Louis Cardinals two outs bottom of

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Speaker 10: the ninth thingning runner on base for Saint Louis pinch

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Speaker 10: hitter Alec Burlson. At the plate, Smith corks wanting to

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Speaker 10: right down the line.

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Speaker 1: It may go.

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01:49:29,360 --> 01:49:33,920
Speaker 2: Go crazy, folks, go crazysy. Smith and the.

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Speaker 13: Cardinals have won the game by the star, but the

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Speaker 13: free to two on a home run by the Wiver.

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Speaker 9: Not the.

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Speaker 2: Oh crazy.

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Speaker 3: You know you have completely redeemed yourself. I low absolutely

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Speaker 3: redeemed yourself.

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Speaker 10: I you're too kind because I pressed a button labeled

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Speaker 10: Cubs final call, Cubs win.

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Speaker 11: Brian say, now at this time, at.

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Speaker 10: This time, guys, I would like to formally accuse Brian Shenanigans.

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Speaker 2: And agents all over the plate to.

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Speaker 10: Our audio system. Now why did why want to click

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Speaker 10: on the info for this file? Does it say this

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Speaker 10: file was last edited forty seven minutes ago by.

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Speaker 11: Username b No No Show.

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Speaker 10: You know what, I wish I would have known better,

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01:50:27,160 --> 01:50:29,400
Speaker 10: and I wish I would have created a backup copy

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01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:34,160
Speaker 10: of what really happened, just to protect against what just happened.

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Speaker 2: It's been a race.

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Speaker 11: Oh wait a minute, I did.

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Speaker 13: And the pitch fly balls center field and deep that

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Speaker 13: goes Takhan on the warning track leaps up.

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Speaker 2: Did he make the catch he did what a play.

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Speaker 13: Talkman took a home run away from Burlans Sinday comes

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Speaker 13: win the game.

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Speaker 3: I just tried to override all that audio. I'm just

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Speaker 3: playing my own show.

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Speaker 10: New Hall of Famer Pat Hughes the call on WSCR.

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Speaker 10: A seven game winning streak for the Cubs, but at

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01:51:09,000 --> 01:51:12,400
Speaker 10: least a great memory to balance it out for Cardinal fans.

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Speaker 11: A Brian back to you, man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 3: I love the hot tub time machine right there with

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Speaker 3: Jack Buck and Ozzie Smith's home run.

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Speaker 2: The Wizard not known for his power. You know, we'll

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Speaker 2: surprise you from time to time.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we are knee deep in a lot of stuff

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Speaker 3: going on over here. I want to save a little

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Speaker 3: bit of time, specifically to argue more with you guys.

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Speaker 3: Love that before we get to our gambling selections at

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Speaker 3: the end of the show.

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Speaker 2: There is a name. There is a name of a.

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Speaker 3: Certain quarterback in the NFL that would maybe be the

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Speaker 3: proto type in terms of treading water. Okay, I want

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Speaker 3: to give you that guy's name. Right around the corner,

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Speaker 3: we've got Rich Ornberger, Penn State All American, Jared Smith

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Speaker 3: is with us FSR Betting and list.

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Speaker 2: I'm Brian no coming up next.

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Speaker 3: The prototypical water Tredder of the NFL and what he

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Speaker 3: symbolizes for other teams. Very important stuff that's on the way.

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Speaker 2: for this Durday night home. Welcome back in.

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Speaker 3: as show Hey Otani does it again and live it

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Speaker 3: up Angels fans for the next two months. As you

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01:53:00,080 --> 01:53:02,840
Speaker 3: you maybe squeak into the playoffs if you do a

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01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:06,240
Speaker 3: quick exit and then an even quicker exit by Otani.

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Speaker 2: But man, you're going for it. Great, great all in move.

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Speaker 3: That's gonna get you bounced from the poker tournament. But

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Speaker 3: great enjoy that. Enjoy that well, it lasts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, listen, I get it.

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Speaker 4: It's an unpopular move amongst people who have brains and

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01:53:26,400 --> 01:53:30,760
Speaker 4: fully functioning like risk reward systems.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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01:53:31,720 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 4: But there again, if we're going to go by this

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01:53:35,600 --> 01:53:39,280
Speaker 4: thought process of fortune favors the bold, if you're gonna

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Speaker 4: go by this thought process of the best you can do,

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01:53:42,360 --> 01:53:44,760
Speaker 4: is the best you can do in this situation, I

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Speaker 4: think it's a damned if you do, damned if you

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Speaker 4: don't situation. For the Angels, the best outcome though, is

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01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 4: if somehow show how Otani stays long term, and the

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01:53:54,160 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 4: only way you can get that done is if you

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01:53:57,560 --> 01:54:00,320
Speaker 4: don't trade him. Now, on the other side of this,

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Speaker 4: speaking of poker, this could be a big bluff. Like

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Speaker 4: the Angels, they could be bluffing hard here. They could

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Speaker 4: be saying, yep, nope, we're not trading them. This is

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Speaker 4: our guy for the long term because they hate the

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01:54:13,960 --> 01:54:17,679
Speaker 4: trade packages they're seeing so far from teams, and they're

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Speaker 4: trying to goose his value before letting him go.

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Speaker 2: We'll sit love that.

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Speaker 5: That would be the ultimate ropodope. And also, I just

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Speaker 5: heard from the City of Anaheim. Whenever the World Series

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Speaker 5: parade happens, Brian, No, you are a VIP Grand Marshallah

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Speaker 5: for the World Series parade coming up in early November.

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Speaker 3: Perhaps Hey, they're holding on to him and he's probably

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Speaker 3: gonna walk. And that's the thing is. Let's go up

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Speaker 3: back to the poker table. If I sit next to

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Speaker 3: the guy who's got Jack three off suit and goes

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01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:50,520
Speaker 3: all in, I'm like, what are you doing? If it

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Speaker 3: somehow someway works out, I'll say, hey, good for you man,

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01:54:55,360 --> 01:54:57,400
Speaker 3: the move worked out. That's what I think the Angels

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Speaker 3: are doing. They are chances of retaining Otani going forward.

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Speaker 3: They've got Jack three off suit, and right now, I'm like,

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01:55:04,160 --> 01:55:08,360
Speaker 3: what are you doing If somehow, some way they snuck

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01:55:08,400 --> 01:55:11,600
Speaker 3: into the playoffs won a World Series, Let's suspend reality

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Speaker 3: for a second. I'll give them their props. If somehow

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01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 3: Otani runs it back with them, I will absolutely give

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Speaker 3: them their props. I just don't see that happening at all.

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Speaker 3: By the way, props to the crew Bo Benzon Our

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Speaker 3: trusted producer, Iowa Sam Technical producer at Straordinaire Isaac Lohenkron

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Speaker 3: on the updates Top of the Hour up on game

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Speaker 3: LeVar Arrington, DJ Hushman, Zada Blaxico Buris, You're in great hands.

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Speaker 2: Lots to discuss.

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Speaker 3: I'm curious where they come out on this Joe Burrow

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Speaker 3: versus Jalen Ramsey thing. Before we get to our gambling

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Speaker 3: picks for the day, we've got a couple of minutes

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Speaker 3: where we can start sparring and you know, locking horns

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Speaker 3: here real fast.

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Speaker 2: So I'll try to recap it.

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Speaker 3: Basically, Rich and Jared are saying, if Joe Burrow were

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Speaker 3: to miss two to four games.

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Speaker 2: We're freaking doomed. Everything is just like everything is lost

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Speaker 2: the season. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 3: But if Jalen Ramsey misses the season, Eh, no big deal.

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Speaker 9: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean that's the long and short of it, which

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Speaker 3: I think is crazy. Let me give you the prototypical

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Speaker 3: guy who is the water treader of the NFL, Rock Purty.

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Speaker 2: With the Niners, Like, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: If you have a really good supporting cast, you can

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Speaker 3: bring in mister Irrelevant and not miss a beat. They

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Speaker 3: didn't lose a game until he got injured in the

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Speaker 3: NFC title Game because they have so much talent. The Bengals,

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Speaker 3: with what they have roster wise, could they tread water

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Speaker 3: Alla the Niners last year, Ala the Cowboys last season

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Speaker 3: with Cooper Rush and win games actually with Trevor Simon abs.

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Speaker 2: Of freaking lutely.

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Speaker 3: So that's all I'm saying is we can't blow out

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Speaker 3: of proportion how devastating it supposedly is, even if you

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Speaker 3: lose a top quarterback for a few weeks.

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Speaker 4: I'm not disagreeing with you that it can happen, but

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Speaker 4: I'm also going to point out that you gave two

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Speaker 4: examples of it working, and honestly, with Cooper Rush, it

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Speaker 4: was a much shorter amount of time than Brock Party.

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Speaker 4: Brock Party was such an outlier exception. It's the same

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Speaker 4: like that Cooper was four and one party was five.

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Speaker 4: And oh, but there are exceptions that prove the rule,

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Speaker 4: which otherwise we do know. When you lose your starting quarterback,

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Speaker 4: typically your season's over. I mean, you may as well

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Speaker 4: just wave the white flag and say, well, at least

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Speaker 4: we'll have a nice.

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Speaker 2: Draft pick next year.

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Speaker 4: I mean, typically when you lose the starting corner, typically

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Speaker 4: the front office, the coaching staff, the players in the

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Speaker 4: locker room don't lose as much faith as when you

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Speaker 4: lose the starting quarterback, and for good reason, because again,

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Speaker 4: these are very very different, opposite ends of the spectrum

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Speaker 4: in terms of consequence for your season. Yes, the corner

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Speaker 4: is important, especially three time All Pro corner, who, by

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Speaker 4: the way, is twenty eight and he's seen probably more

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01:58:04,360 --> 01:58:06,680
Speaker 4: you know, yesterday's and tomorrow's in this league. But we'll

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Speaker 4: discount that for a moment, just for this one year.

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Speaker 2: What would be of.

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Speaker 4: More consequence losing Burrow for the first quarter of your

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01:58:14,320 --> 01:58:17,480
Speaker 4: season or losing Jael and Ramsey. Again, we're talking about

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Speaker 4: maybe the worst case scenario of a CAF and Al

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Speaker 4: tourn meniscuez the entire season. I still say it's the

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Speaker 4: Cincinnati Bengals because treading water with Trevor Simeons sounds like

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Speaker 4: something I would never want to do.

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Speaker 5: I don't think Trevor Simeon's water treading technique is really

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Speaker 5: that good. But how about the urfee in Los Angeles tonight, guys,

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Speaker 5: between the Reds and the Dodgers. The Dodgers lost yesterday

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Speaker 5: and that would put some urgency on them today. So

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Speaker 5: bet the urfee in Cincinnati and Los Angeles. Not the

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Speaker 5: Cincinnati Bengals. We're not gonna bet anything on them. Week one,

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Speaker 5: because we don't know if Joe Burrow is gonna be

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01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:53,560
Speaker 5: playing or not, which means we have to mail in

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Speaker 5: the entire season.

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Speaker 2: Are they also high point underdogs?

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01:58:56,480 --> 01:58:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah? Right? How about the urfie in Saint Louis as well?

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01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:01,960
Speaker 5: Adam Wayne Wright, Guys, you want to talk about putting

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01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:05,520
Speaker 5: someone out the pasture. I think Adam Waynwright might might

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01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:08,640
Speaker 5: get the might go to the glue factory today against

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01:59:08,680 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 5: the Cubs.

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01:59:09,080 --> 01:59:10,760
Speaker 1: Jameis and Tyo not so great on the other side.

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01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,040
Speaker 1: So couple of erophees on the cart today. Simmerdie runs.

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Speaker 1: You got to Saint Louis, Cincinnati, LA, good luck?

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01:59:16,360 --> 01:59:19,720
Speaker 4: Add another Yes runs first city for me as well.

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01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:21,160
Speaker 2: I'm on the Eurpy train.

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01:59:21,800 --> 01:59:27,520
Speaker 4: Let's go to Philadelphia and boh Yesaranola.

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01:59:27,760 --> 01:59:29,080
Speaker 2: Rough start to the season.

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01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:33,879
Speaker 4: Quinn Preeser is giving up a run every inning he's pitched.

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01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:38,400
Speaker 2: Let's go, Let's go, Yes, rich out the trade, Let's

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Speaker 2: go Wow.

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Speaker 3: Okay, all right, I am going to Uh. I'm gonna

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01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:45,320
Speaker 3: look at Baltimore over here. Give me the dogs. Give

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01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:49,200
Speaker 3: me the Yankees on the road against a better Baltimore

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01:59:49,280 --> 01:59:53,320
Speaker 3: Orioles team. I think that they they sneakily get a

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01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:55,480
Speaker 3: win today, but I like your your fee picks. Good

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01:59:55,560 --> 01:59:58,040
Speaker 3: luck to everybody, hope you win plenty of cash. We'll

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Speaker 3: catch you later