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Speaker 1: to The Herd podcast. Here we go, hour two and

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Speaker 1: a Monday. Man Hasselback five minutes away. We're live. It's

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Speaker 1: The Herd last night, as good as the NFL gets

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Speaker 1: Niners edge pass, the Chicago Bears drama in Pittsburgh. Who's

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Speaker 1: left offensively to help? Aaron Rodgers, San Francisco and Seattle?

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Speaker 1: How good is that? It is great to have you

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Speaker 1: in a Monday. Let's not waste any time. Where Colin

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Speaker 1: was right, where Colin was wrong on a Monday, where

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Speaker 1: Colin was right, well well, well slinging Sammy Darnold. You

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Speaker 1: know quarterback with consecutive thirteen win seasons in NFL history.

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Speaker 1: It's Brady Manning, Rogers, Farv and Sam Darnald. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: in pretty good company. Just goes to show your first

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Speaker 1: job isn't always your best. Sam Darnald never worries about

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Speaker 1: the occasional mistake always looking forward. He and JSN, by

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Speaker 1: the way, that has got to be a top five

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Speaker 1: combo going forward. Where Colin was wrong, probably been a

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Speaker 1: little tough on brock Purty, or maybe he's just getting

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Speaker 1: better because the last month brock Purty's aggressiveness, efficiency movement

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Speaker 1: has been stuff for the Ages. And let I know,

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Speaker 1: Garoppolo was good in San Francisco, it wasn't this good.

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Speaker 1: He wasn't this aggressive. I thought yesterday was as good

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Speaker 1: as he's played. I mean, just making ad libbing, playing

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Speaker 1: with instructure, and I like the fact that he throws

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Speaker 1: a pick six and it doesn't get him down, It

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Speaker 1: doesn't change his mood or body language. The number two

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Speaker 1: red zone offense. I know Kyle Shanahan's great, but this

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Speaker 1: is the best quarterback play he's had since Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: won the MVP. Where Colin was right, Mike vrabel I

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Speaker 1: had predicted New England will be a playoff team. They're

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Speaker 1: going to be the double your win total team. They

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Speaker 1: tripled it and they fixed everything in one season. Remember

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Speaker 1: when we didn't like their wide receiver room, Well, their

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Speaker 1: top five offense, top five defense, and they've immediately surpassed

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Speaker 1: Sean McDermott year one. That's not the way it should

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Speaker 1: be now. Now Drake May's good. Is he this good?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, but this was to me the easiest

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Speaker 1: offseason call. With all that free agent money, Josh McDaniels,

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Speaker 1: Mike Brabel and an improving Drake May, this team's going

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Speaker 1: to get good fast, and they did. Where Colin was wronged,

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Speaker 1: the Colts have lost six straight. Maybe they shouldn't give

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Speaker 1: up two first round picks for a cornerback. Sauce Gardner.

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Speaker 1: I have defended the head coach and the GM, but

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Speaker 1: even the Philip Rivers story he went ohero for three

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Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, the truth is who he is sort of

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Speaker 1: surfaced eventually. Right now, they're not close to Jacksonville offensively

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Speaker 1: So at best they are the third best team in

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Speaker 1: a pretty wonky division. I was wrong where Colin was right.

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Speaker 1: I never bought into Aaron Glenn. I mean, they've been

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Speaker 1: blown out four straight games by twenty three or more.

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Speaker 1: It looks like the players have quit. How can you

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Speaker 1: all season. That's kind of historically embarrassing. It's okay, Nat Hackett,

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Speaker 1: where Colin was wrong. I figured Chip Kelly, Pete Carroll,

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Speaker 1: they feel like the Raiders feel like they are a

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Speaker 1: mile away Where Colin was right. Excellent NFL reporter Ian Rapaport,

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Speaker 1: Saturday reporter. Yes, the Giants, if they had the number

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Speaker 1: Why wouldn't you? Jackson darts three and eight not eight

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Speaker 1: As I've said, I like Jackson Dart. He spends more

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Speaker 1: this is a disjointed, uneven roster. The pressure now on

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Speaker 1: Rob Polinkott to make some moves or maybe it's sort

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Speaker 1: has made things a little difficult too. Colin right, Colin

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Speaker 1: I have Maybe I have trait bias where I like

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Speaker 1: But the last three weeks with Brock Purdy, now that

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Speaker 1: I mean, I was just wrong on him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're coming around. I mean I like to

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think it was a long time you

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Speaker 3: He looks like he might be a college kid or

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Speaker 2: Off the charts. And when you talk about a.

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Speaker 3: understand how to evaluate quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: He clearly is their guy.

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Speaker 3: And you talk, you listen to his teammates talk about him,

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Speaker 3: whether it's Trent Williams or Kittle or McCaffrey.

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Speaker 2: They're like, no, no, this is our guy. This dude's

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Speaker 3: I think we saw that the other night. He plays

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Speaker 3: I think Kyle Shanahan does a really nice job with

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Speaker 3: the shorter quarterbacks, getting them outside the pocket just as

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Speaker 3: much as they're inside the pocket for better vision, you know.

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Speaker 3: And he's got moxie. He started over forty games at

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Speaker 3: Iowa State. There's something to playing when you're in college

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Speaker 3: he's a little bit more agile than people realize.

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Speaker 2: That is included.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I'm he is way more athletic than I've

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Speaker 1: I said, if you're the Bears, my bigger issue is

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Speaker 1: I don't think I thought they were reactive on defense,

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Speaker 1: not proactive. Sola's got nothing to work with and he's blitzing,

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Speaker 1: he's mixing stuff up, he's trying to make Caleb a

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Speaker 1: little uncomfortable. He made him just uncomfortable enough on that

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Speaker 1: final play. But overall, I kind of feel like second

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Speaker 1: I think you got to feel pretty good if your Chicago,

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Speaker 1: you lost a track meet. You've been winning all these games.

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Speaker 1: If you're gonna lose, you can lose with the hottest

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think three games in a row where

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Speaker 3: Caleb's played really well and really encouraging. This was just

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Speaker 3: a great offensive matchup. You know, you got Ben Johnson

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Speaker 3: fun offensive game. If you love defense, you're probably you know,

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Speaker 3: pulling your hair out just a little bit. But explosive

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Speaker 2: You know, I think there's still opportunities.

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Speaker 3: One team had to go home the loser, right, And

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Speaker 3: so when you watch the film the next day, you

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Speaker 3: can usually point to three to five plays that if

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Speaker 3: And you heard Chris Collinsworth on the broadcast last night,

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Speaker 2: And that happens in every game.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's why this game was so fun

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Speaker 3: to watch, and it's also why I think everyone's excited

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Speaker 3: if if it happens again. But now, it was a

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Speaker 3: good quarterback battle last night, and I got to give

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Speaker 3: And you know they might meet again and it might

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Speaker 1: So much fun, such a fun NFL game. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to support the Bills going for it. I thought the

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Speaker 1: You have Josh Allen, you're at home, You're favored. I'm

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Speaker 1: a backsheat guy. Were you okay going for two in Buffalo?

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Speaker 3: I would have been good either way. Like either way,

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Speaker 3: you could make the argument for not. You know, the

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Speaker 3: Eagles hadn't done much offensively, but then again, we're at home.

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Speaker 3: I got Josh Allen is my quarterback. I've got a

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Speaker 3: two point play. This is what happens when you decide

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Speaker 1: You right on your.

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Speaker 2: Big call sheet.

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Speaker 3: Okay, if we've got fourth and goal to win the game,

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Speaker 3: our two point play is what what are we calling?

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Speaker 3: And you feel really good about it sometimes? And I

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Speaker 2: The play worked.

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Speaker 3: And you know, Josh Allen, he's got to be kicking himself.

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Speaker 3: Ninety nine out of one hundred times he makes that throw,

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Speaker 3: guarantee it. It was kind of shocking to see him

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Speaker 3: not make it. Now.

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Speaker 2: He's banged up, he's got a real bad foot injury.

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Speaker 3: He maybe he can't push off, feels the pressure, bad weather,

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Speaker 3: all the stuff. But no I'm in favor of going

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Speaker 3: for that, I'd and I'd be in favor of calling

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Speaker 3: the exact same play again in the exact same situation.

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Speaker 3: I'd feel good about the quarterback making play.

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Speaker 1: The Eagles are so weird I can't even wrap my brain.

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Speaker 1: AJ Brown was feeling it. The short passing game was working,

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Speaker 1: and then they just pulled the plug On the offense.

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Speaker 3: And I think if the Seahawks do that the second

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Speaker 2: Kind of got to play team defense to the whistle.

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Speaker 3: So now I think the number one seed in play

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Speaker 3: at San fran I think this is a too close

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck on a Monday, Wild night, last night wild games.

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Speaker 2: All right, buddy.

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Speaker 1: See. I am a fan of aggressive quarterbacks, but when

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Speaker 1: We got all sorts of stuff going on. Diana Rusini

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Speaker 1: is this the best time of the year? What Jmack

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Speaker 6: game Saturday night in Green Bay. Colin propelled the Ravens

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Speaker 6: into a win and in game obviously helped by the

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Speaker 6: Browns beating the Steelers.

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Speaker 5: But Sunday Night Football this week.

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Speaker 6: It's Raven Steelers, a classic rivalry, AFC North on the line,

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Speaker 6: playoff spot on the line, Derrick Henry just an otherworldly

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Speaker 6: performance essentially.

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Speaker 5: You know, Harmon remembers, Oh, I screwed up last week

437
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Speaker 5: and gets the Patriots. I forgot to feed Derrick Henry

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Speaker 5: in the fourth. So what does he do?

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Speaker 6: He overcompensates thirty six carries thirty six Colin, that's absurd

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Speaker 6: for two hundred sixteen yards and four touchdowns. You know,

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Speaker 6: I mean you could argue that he needed.

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Speaker 5: To keep feeding him. I don't know. They were up

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Speaker 5: fourteen in the fourth.

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Speaker 6: How's Derek Henry going to perform the week after thirty

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Speaker 6: six carries well against the Steelers?

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Speaker 1: He doesn't. I mean, the bottom line is, these teams

447
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Speaker 1: know each other. Dereck Henry probably shows up at practice

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Speaker 1: and doesn't he doesn't, you know. I mean, he's basically

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Speaker 1: in recovery all week. He's also like one of those

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Speaker 1: baseball pitchers that gets better from the fifth inning on,

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Speaker 1: like sometimes Derrick Henry has. You know, I don't know

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Speaker 1: what the historical numbers are, but he had this very

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Speaker 1: slow start to his NFL career first couple of years,

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Speaker 1: but he just keeps getting better and better. He's often

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Speaker 1: better late in games where he's got twenty five plus carries.

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Speaker 6: So I think he'll be fine for the for the matchup.

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Speaker 6: So the latest is Lamar Jackson. They're calling it a

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Speaker 6: shade under fifty percent. I don't know how you quantify

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Speaker 6: that forty seven percent. Jancy plays Snoop Huntley was fine

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Speaker 6: last week. I don't want to go overboard. I mean

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Speaker 6: they got through for like a buck fifty okay, JJ

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Speaker 6: not JJ Watt TJ Watt. They're saying is a long

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Speaker 6: shot to play this week. That's not great. And DK

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Speaker 6: Metcalf suspended, things are not looking good for the Steelers.

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Speaker 6: I'm sure you saw Aaron Rodgers only completed eight passes

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Speaker 6: to wide receivers, tight end Darnold Washington the big six

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Speaker 6: to seven dude, broken arm.

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Speaker 5: Looks like his season's over.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know this does not.

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Speaker 5: We don't have the odds yet.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the over under is. Pittsburgh's only

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Speaker 1: way to win it would seem to me as seventeen

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Speaker 1: to fourteen, or you make a defensive play. So Pittsburgh's

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Speaker 1: rout to win is very limited. Baltimore could win by

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Speaker 1: scoring points. I think Huntley's a pretty darn good backup.

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Speaker 1: I watched them beat the Bears this year. I watched

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Speaker 1: him beat the Packers. I don't know, I trust him.

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Speaker 1: There are certain backups in this league. Huntley's one of them.

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Speaker 1: I trust him. He'll make smartness visions. Go back, go

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Speaker 1: back and look at the Bears game earlier this year.

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Speaker 1: He's composed, he doesn't he doesn't make big mistakes. He

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Speaker 1: plays within the system. I trust him in a big

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Speaker 1: spot to beat Pittsburgh on the road.

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Speaker 6: Uh, Mike, Tomlin's going to be like a three and

485
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Speaker 6: a half point thereabouts home dog in a very big

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Speaker 6: raw ross spot, which is what he's done amazing with

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Speaker 6: over the years. Down what down Metcalf? Nobody believes in us.

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Speaker 6: You know he's gonna play that card all week. I

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Speaker 6: mean this is going to be a very close game. Yes, yeah,

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Speaker 6: what happens if Aaron Rodgers fails here? Huh?

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Speaker 1: I remember when.

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Speaker 6: They beat Baltimore few weeks ago, Rodgers and Metcalf for

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Speaker 6: the big story.

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Speaker 5: I think it like the third play of the game,

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Speaker 5: fifty yard bomb to DK. He's not there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna blame Aaron. I think he's he's

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Speaker 1: duct taped this offense together all year. The minute DK

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Speaker 1: Metcalf's not available, Look at the talent. There is nothing there.

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Speaker 6: So you're you're not gonna blame Aaron for targeting targeting

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Speaker 6: m VS against Denzel Ward.

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Speaker 5: Three times with twenty five seconds left.

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Speaker 1: Well, who else can it? Told to?

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Speaker 6: Scottie Miller, j Jalen Warren, Kenneth gag Well, do something.

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Speaker 5: Don't target their best quarterback with MVS. I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I thought Rogers was quite bad. He was clearly ducking

506
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Speaker 5: Miles Garrett.

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Speaker 6: Anyways, let's move on to Raiders, Giants and the toilet

508
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Speaker 6: Bowl yesterday.

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Speaker 5: This was a terrible game.

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Speaker 6: I was the idiot who took the Raiders, and then

511
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Speaker 6: hours later Max Crosby is basically ruled out. And then

512
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Speaker 6: Max Crosby shows video himself playing basketball at his outs

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Speaker 6: as an f you.

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Speaker 1: To the Raider.

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Speaker 6: I mean, this franchise is a disaster. And the Giant,

516
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Speaker 6: you could argue they were in line to get the

517
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Speaker 6: number one pick last year, screwed it up one missed

518
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Speaker 6: out on cam Ward. Now they're in the number one

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Speaker 6: pick this year. Beat the Raiders. They're not gonna get Mendoza.

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Speaker 5: I don't know, Colin. We got the draft order here on.

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Speaker 1: The screen for you.

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Speaker 5: My Jets climbing.

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Speaker 6: Back into the next at three, Raiders will clearly go quarterback.

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Speaker 1: If I was. If I was the Raiders, I'd get Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: If I was the Giants, there's a couple of there's

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Speaker 1: a couple of good linebackers. There's also a linebacker A

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Speaker 1: two stop it. You just go get the best player.

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Speaker 1: The Jets, I'd go if he's there. Usually yeah, if

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Speaker 1: he's there, would you say they're useless. Tennessee's got multiple needs.

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Speaker 1: Arizona's a mess.

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Speaker 5: Arizona is going to have a new coach.

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Speaker 1: That's is Cleveland gonna stay with Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's going to get a look.

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Speaker 6: But there isn't a quarterback you'd take, because the Jets

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Speaker 6: will take whoever is the next best. I would not

536
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Speaker 6: be surprised if the Browns kept Stefanski went after Malik Willis.

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Speaker 6: He's going to be the best free agent.

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Speaker 1: Quarterback, right, Yeah, but you're you're paying to Shaun Watson. Still,

539
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Speaker 1: you gotta get you gotta go hit a quarterback in

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Speaker 1: the draft. That's the thing about Shadeur. You can have

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Speaker 1: a decent roster with Shadur because you're not paying him anything.

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Speaker 5: By the way, did you see the Chador interception yesterday?

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Speaker 1: I was always bad. He just shucks it.

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Speaker 6: Literally, remember that game five hundred, we just call throw

545
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Speaker 6: the ball high in the air and call out a number.

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Speaker 5: I was like, that's like a throw in the backyard.

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Speaker 1: It was, He's got to get Schador's got to get

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Speaker 1: out of the running backwards thing, which, by the way,

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Speaker 1: mostly Caleb Williams has done a great job on that

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Speaker 1: but I'll tell you. I'll tell you a story that

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Speaker 1: nobody talks about. Here we go, Tyler Shuck. Yeah, I

552
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Speaker 1: can't wait for this. We're not doing it now, but

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Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead. Looks like the Saintstny the quarterback.

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Speaker 6: Okay, I gotta just stay calm because I keep getting

555
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Speaker 6: these people on social media. Oh you don't believe in

556
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Speaker 6: shuck these our franchise quarterback. I mean, we're crowning guys

557
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Speaker 6: way too early. By the way, Jackson Dart, where are

558
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Speaker 6: we eight franchise quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: Oh dear, Okay, final story.

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Speaker 6: Calm, let's go to Oh my goodness, we've forgotten all

562
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Speaker 6: about your boy. Baker Mayfield and Tampa. They're cratering. Lost

563
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Speaker 6: seven of eight, including a fourth straight. This is an

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Speaker 6: easy dub. Dolphins beat him. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 6: what the hell happened to the Bucks Colin offense stinks

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Speaker 6: all of a sudden. The defense can't stop anybody. Baker

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Speaker 6: Mayfield two picks and a fumble. He was quite bad.

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Speaker 6: Here's Baker on Week eighteen where they can save the

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Speaker 6: season and get in the playoffs.

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Speaker 7: Offensively, it comes back to execution. You know, we obviously

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Speaker 7: gave ourselves a fighting chance right there. But yeah, didn't

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Speaker 7: do enough, and yeah, those turnovers obviously crushed us. So

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Speaker 7: I got to come back. And here's the thing. We're

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Speaker 7: still have a chance next week. We've been blessed with

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Speaker 7: a chance next week, and guys need to handle it

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Speaker 7: the right way.

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Speaker 6: So Colin Reilquick, did you see in the video one

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Speaker 6: sleeve off his throwing arm, the other had some sort

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Speaker 6: of wrap. I don't know something was going on there.

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Speaker 6: I'm just telling you he's hurt, because remember he's a

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Speaker 6: tough guy. He doesn't like to admit it, and that's

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Speaker 6: what took him down in Cleveland. See the video there,

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Speaker 6: there's something going on with it. I don't know if

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Speaker 6: he's just it's ice or treatment, but something's wrong with

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Speaker 6: Baker Mayfield.

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Speaker 5: He has been so bad for two months now.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's not been cooked.

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Speaker 6: Look early in the season, he was on fire. This

589
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Speaker 6: happened in Cleveland. Well they got to the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Bug fans are like, well, our offensive line again, the

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Speaker 1: Chargers are eleven and five with a worse offensive line.

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Speaker 1: Everybody's all lines banged out. It's the toughest position to

593
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Speaker 1: play in the league. So it's not just that he's

594
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Speaker 1: had a rough season. They have to they have a

595
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Speaker 1: good GM. They got to hit in some draft picks.

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Speaker 1: You know they're gonna have big conversations on what to

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Speaker 1: do with coach too. I don't know what they're gonna do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are they played very well early in

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Speaker 1: the season. Listen, the NFL average is seven new coaches

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Speaker 1: a year. So you know, you start looking at the

601
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Speaker 1: Raiders and Pete Carroll you could see that getting flushed out.

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Speaker 1: The Jets and Aaron Glenn, you could see that getting

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Speaker 1: flushed out, Like the Raiders don't do anything well. Chip

604
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Speaker 1: Kelly didn't get along with people on the staff, Like

605
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Speaker 1: you could see that thing going sideways fast and for

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll and Vegas. So Colin, I.

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Speaker 5: Forget who posted this online yesterday? Are you ready for

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Speaker 5: this number?

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Speaker 6: Heading into yesterday's Bucks Dolphins matchup? Todd Bowles record in

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Speaker 6: Tampa thirty four and thirty two. Yeah, Mike McDaniels in

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Speaker 6: Miami thirty four and thirty two. So now Mike McDaniel

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Speaker 6: has a better record than Bowles. Yet everybody just wants

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Speaker 6: to run off McDaniel. All the narratives about the Dolphins

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Speaker 6: and their softness. Well, Todd Bowles, same record, and he's

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Speaker 6: got a franchise guy in Baker Mayfield. You claim, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I mean it's it's it's what Mike made to a

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Speaker 6: pro bowler. Yeah, you know, like like and Mike's an

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Speaker 6: offensive coach. I tend to with offensive like Pete Carroll's

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Speaker 6: an old defensive coach. If you blew him out, I'd

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Speaker 6: get it. Aaron Glenn is a middle aged defensive coach

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Speaker 6: not working.

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Speaker 1: I could move on. I supported Matt Nagy in Chicago

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Speaker 1: when nobody would. In my take is he's on Trubisky

624
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Speaker 1: to the playoffs. He's on the right side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: Matt Eberfleus in Chicago, I was like, get rid of him.

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Speaker 1: So like Mike McDaniel, probably loses his job, but he's

627
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Speaker 1: on the right side he made to a pro bowler.

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Speaker 1: Go look around, Go watch the game last night Bears

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Speaker 1: and Niners. Ben Johnson, Kyle Shanahan. You think you're going

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Speaker 1: to get that game with two defensive head coaches like

631
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Speaker 1: you're seeing this, these offensive, brilliant offensive coaches. They're different.

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Speaker 1: They're just different.

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Speaker 5: So just bulls. Is he in jeopardy?

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Speaker 1: If you think it. I don't know. I don't know

635
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Speaker 1: if he should be. I'd have to go examine all

636
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Speaker 1: of it. I didn't. I am not paying attention. I've

637
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Speaker 1: always thought he was pretty capable. I think he's a

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Speaker 1: really smart defensive guy. I'd have to look at everything.

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Speaker 6: And he did lose Canalis his OC and then Liam

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Speaker 6: Cohen is OC.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the downside of being a defensive coach. If

642
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Speaker 1: you do get a great OC, a year or two later,

643
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Speaker 1: they leave and then you have to reinvent yourself and

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Speaker 1: how many great ocs can you hire in succession. He

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Speaker 1: nailed two to two, so you could say, what Todd

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Speaker 1: Bowles to defend him? Okay, he got two right and

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Speaker 1: they were a playoff team. He missed on this one.

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Speaker 1: Do you give him another chance with another OC and

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Speaker 1: let Baker Mayfield have a say in the selection. I

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Speaker 1: think you could make an argument if you were the

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Speaker 1: agent or defender of Todd Bowles.

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Speaker 5: A spot on by you. That's a great point.

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Speaker 6: And I want everybody to listen when these NFL insiders

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Speaker 6: come on and they start talking about head coaching candidates, Colin,

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Speaker 6: all they mentioned.

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Speaker 5: Is defensive coaches.

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Speaker 1: That's it.

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Speaker 6: Jesse mentor Brian Flores. Just listen closely. That's all agents

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Speaker 6: pushing their guy to get a head coaching job, because

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Speaker 6: everybody knows what the right path is. Your past hire

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Speaker 6: an offensive guy.

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Speaker 1: We've been on this for like five years. Go look

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Speaker 1: at the end of the season, your final six and

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Speaker 1: eight coaches. It said final four, your super bowls. Jmckle

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Speaker 1: the news, Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping

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Speaker 1: back the herd line News. And my thinke is I'm

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Speaker 1: not into fire the coach, but when you get into

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Speaker 1: certain situations like they can't get their personal life in order.

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Speaker 1: We saw that at Michigan, Like that's just one of

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Speaker 1: those where there's egregious personal mistakes. Nobody's perfect. People make mistakes,

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Speaker 1: but there are certain times that gets in the way.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I've always said about coaches, I've said

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Speaker 1: this for twenty years. Even if you've got a losing record,

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Speaker 1: are you taking care of your side of the ball.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you guys bang on Lincoln Riley, and

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Speaker 1: my take is us He's offense is amazing. You don't

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Speaker 1: have to like his recruiting all the time, but the offense.

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Speaker 1: He's an offensive coach. So when Demiko Ryans. I think

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Speaker 1: was it last year was struggling. People were banging on

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Speaker 1: Demko Ryans, and I'm like, the Texans defense is unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: I'm good with that if you can get your side right.

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Speaker 1: I know, you know football. That's why with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: you're like, they don't have an interception this year, and

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Speaker 1: you're a defensive guy. That would worry me. Or Nathaniel

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Speaker 1: Hackett was an offensive guy in Denver and he couldn't

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Speaker 1: do the clock. Remember the first game he goes back

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Speaker 1: to Seattle with Russell Wilson and they butcher the clock.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you're an offensive guy. You got to be

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Speaker 1: able to figure that out. In Chicago, it's the Hurt.

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Speaker 4: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 4: at noon Easter not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 6: Tonight on FS one, it's a college hoops tripleheader, starting

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Speaker 6: with number nine Michigan State hosting Cornell. Then it's Big

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Speaker 6: Ten Women's hoops as Sila Swords and sixth rank Michigan

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Speaker 6: take on Katie Faiso in Oregon.

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Speaker 5: Then out west it's Utah.

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Speaker 6: Ver's Washington and all tips off at seven pm Eastern,

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Speaker 6: only on FS one.

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Speaker 1: All right, I I one of the things Sometimes a

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Speaker 1: parent will come up to me if I have to

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Speaker 1: speak to a college class or a high school class,

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Speaker 1: what's the best advice you could give much to my

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Speaker 1: son or daughter. And my best advice is, there's no

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Speaker 1: one piece of advice. Everybody in the internet's got all

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Speaker 1: the advice I have, opinions, advice, there's no one way

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Speaker 1: in life. Don't get your head down, keep working. Early

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Speaker 1: failure doesn't mean anything. You're in your twenties. There is

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Speaker 1: no one piece of advice for any career. Go look

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Speaker 1: at the NFC West quarterbacks this year, three different teams.

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Speaker 1: LA has a former number one pick, old Matt Stafford.

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Speaker 1: They're crushing. San Francisco has the last pick, undersized, albeit

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Speaker 1: talented brock Purty. And Seattle's got a reclamation project in

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnold, who, by the way, if you look at

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Speaker 1: the numbers the last several years, he's number one in wins,

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Speaker 1: number two in big plays, number three in passing touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday seven of eight on third down he was outstanding.

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Speaker 1: The bottom line is there's no one piece of advice.

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Speaker 1: There's a million different ways to be successful, especially at quarterback.

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Speaker 1: In the NFL. Maybe Malik Willis is your answer. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the world gave up on Sam Darnald. Now he's had

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Speaker 1: back to back thirteen win seasons. You know who else

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Speaker 1: has done that? Brady Farv, Manning Rogers, and Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: There is no one way, There's no linear path for

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Speaker 1: an actor, a singer, a quarterback, great athletes, and yesterday

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Speaker 1: Sam was great on third down even within a game.

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Speaker 1: Sam yesterday excellent on third down. That was his thing.

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Speaker 1: Here's his coach.

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Speaker 8: I know it wasn't Sam's like best game of all time,

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Speaker 8: and the stats reflect that. But like there's some big

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Speaker 8: time third down throws with pressure in his face. You know,

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Speaker 8: we threw the jet one to Jack's you know that

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Speaker 8: route to Cooper. I mean, those are some big time

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Speaker 8: throws that, you know, in the face of pressure, that

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Speaker 8: we need to be able to make, and they're not

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Speaker 8: easy to make.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to Sanor Sanders because we talked

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Speaker 1: earlier about the Browns beating the Steelers. We concentrated on

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Speaker 1: the Steelers. What would I do if I ran the Steelers?

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Speaker 1: I love their GM Andrew Berry, I love their coach,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski. I'm gonna throw the US out. You still

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Speaker 1: have that Deshaun Watson caphit. I would stay with Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 1: If Dante Moore does not come out, I would stay

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Speaker 1: with Shador Sanders. You're not going to be a top

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Speaker 1: ten team. He needs an entire offseason being coached by

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Speaker 1: Stefanski as the number one quarterback. This year, he went

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Speaker 1: into camp as a scout team guy. I would stay

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Speaker 1: with Shador. Do I think Schador is ever going to

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Speaker 1: have great traits? No, he's not that big, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: have a great arm. He's athletic, not that athletic, but

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Speaker 1: you know what, he's a big play guy. He has

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Speaker 1: some really awful picks.

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Speaker 8: So what.

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Speaker 1: Perty Stafford, Darnold, Andrew Locke. I'm not crushing you for that.

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Speaker 1: They don't have a very good offensive line. They need

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Speaker 1: to This is not a great quarterback class in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Needs some draft capital, right, rebuild your own line. Schador

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Speaker 1: Sanders a fifth round pick is inexpensive. Do I think

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Speaker 1: he's great?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 1: But next year, if Dante more doesn't come out, you

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Speaker 1: start looking at the twenty twenty seven quarterback draft class.

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Speaker 1: Pre tasty, pre interesting guys that are could come out

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Speaker 1: this year like a Ty Simpson or a Dante More.

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Speaker 1: If they stay in, they get another thirteen fourteen starts.

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Speaker 1: So about every third year you get one of these

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Speaker 1: first round quarterback classes with like four or five guys

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Speaker 1: who can play. This year's not one of them. So

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Speaker 1: why reach on a quarterback. If you're Cleveland, go there's

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Speaker 1: three great offensive tackles in this class. Go get one

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Speaker 1: of them, two from Utah. Go get an offensive tackle

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Speaker 1: to support Shadara Sanders your second, third, fourth pick. Rebuild

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Speaker 1: the offensive line, Go get another wide receiver. Give Shadoor

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Speaker 1: Sanders a chance. This offense right now. You don't really

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Speaker 1: give them a chance. You didn't. I mean, what quarterback

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Speaker 1: has a chance. You're just not good enough. So again,

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Speaker 1: I don't need you to be Tom Brady and Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 1: If it's I need a quarterback, I've got a ridiculous

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Speaker 1: I mean, Sean Payton got lucky. He needed a quarterback

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Speaker 1: in Boonis, Drake May, Pennix McCarthy, Caleb, Jayden Daniels. The

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Speaker 1: year that he needed a quarterback, it was a great

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Speaker 1: quarterback class in Denver. He got lucky. You know, the

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Speaker 1: year the Patriots needed a quarterback. They got lucky. They

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Speaker 1: were a bad team lottery pick level, and Drake May

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Speaker 1: was there. But some years, like Cleveland, they're not going

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Speaker 1: to get Mendoza. So just give Shador the reins, build

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Speaker 1: the offense around him, attack the wide receiver position, give

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Speaker 1: Shador a fighting chance next year. And let's say he

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Speaker 1: wins seven games and goes seven and ten. You're probably

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Speaker 1: draft in nine in a draft with four to five quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and you can get one without having to give up

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Speaker 1: draft capital. But this idea was that, well, is he good?

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Speaker 5: Is he not?

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of analytics that say Chadeur isn't very good.

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Speaker 1: There's also analytics that say Jackson Dart's not great. But

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Speaker 1: the Giants are going to give now that they're the

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Speaker 1: number two pick, they're going to give Jackson Dart another year.

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Speaker 1: They're going to give him stuff to work with. So

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Speaker 1: I think there's a real argument that, I mean, just

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Speaker 1: look at how much these young quarterbacks have proved year

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Speaker 1: to year. Look at Drake May last year to this year.

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Speaker 1: He's the top three four quarterback in the league this year.

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Speaker 1: Last year he had moments where he looked really good.

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Speaker 1: He didn't even have a lot of great games. He

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Speaker 1: had a lot of great moments. So I think I'd

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Speaker 1: stick with Shador And if I was Kevin Stefanski, I

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Speaker 1: would go to the owner and say, you're wearing this

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Speaker 1: mess because of you. You're the one that guaranteed the

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Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson deal, so let me do it my way.

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Speaker 1: Do I think you're going to be a playoff team

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Speaker 1: with theer, No, but give the get a shot. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I still contend with a good infrastructure. I mean, yesterday

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Speaker 1: he beats Aaron Rodgers, Aaron had I mean that Pittsburgh roster.

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Speaker 1: That Pittsburgh roster is better than that Cleveland roster and

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Speaker 1: should have had a really bad pick. He also had

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Speaker 1: a couple of nice rows. So there you go. All right,

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Speaker 1: Diana Russini shows up in our last hour. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: football starts getting real serious. San Francisco and Seattle next Saturday.

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Speaker 1: That is one for the ages. I think I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: lean Hawks on that one third