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Speaker 1: Day two of our NFL combine everything I know, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna call it our NFL draft coverage. Hire. We're getting

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Speaker 1: there sometime in the next hour or even tomorrow. I

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Speaker 1: guarantee you I slip up. Max Starks joins us now

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Speaker 1: former Steeler offensive lineman, the sideline reporter for the Steeler

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Speaker 1: Audio Network. Nice to see it got your shorts on today,

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Speaker 1: my friend. Good for you. I wish I could have

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Speaker 1: brought some to warn mine. Yeah. I couldn't.

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Speaker 2: I couldn't break a promise, right I put it on

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Speaker 2: the airwaves yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I can't.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't look like you're ready to go work,

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Speaker 2: to go to the work. You know, I'm ready to

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Speaker 2: let today. I look like I could bingch press. But

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Speaker 2: we all know that once I see two twenty five,

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Speaker 2: I might have PTSD. I can load, I can load

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Speaker 2: the bench.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can work. Yeah, you could. You could be

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Speaker 1: the guy. Come on, come on, come on doing it again?

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Speaker 1: What more? What more? No?

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, take it all the way to your chest.

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Speaker 1: Take it all the way to the chest. You know.

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Speaker 1: One of my rare experiences watching any drill was when

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Speaker 1: they would do the way lifting here, oh, and then

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Speaker 1: the kid. That was Billy Price. I was there one.

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Speaker 1: That's my experience thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah you heard him. Yeah, But here's the thing. I

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Speaker 2: was the combine captain for the old line with Orlando

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Speaker 2: Pace that year. Oh is that right? Because that's the

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Speaker 2: same Billy Price. And then Orlando Brown was the one

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Speaker 2: that did like eleven. Everybody's like, oh, he's gonna do

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Speaker 2: like twenty five.

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Speaker 1: And he got out there.

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Speaker 2: He struggled after the first I was like, oh, no,

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Speaker 2: this isn't gonna be good because he could.

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Speaker 3: Touch his toes without without bending over.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, oh my gosh, so yeah, that

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Speaker 2: calamity both Orlando Brown's terrible performance like ten maybe eleven

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Speaker 2: I think they counted, yeah, and then and then Billy

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Speaker 2: Price tearing tearing his terrence spot mind you. We we

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Speaker 2: trained with Billy Price and we told him don't do

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Speaker 2: the bench press like you know, because he came from

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Speaker 2: Ohio State and he already had some tenderness, and we're like, dude,

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Speaker 2: this is not the place to do it. I know

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Speaker 2: you're gonna get enamored by it, but wait to your

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Speaker 2: prote you need to heal because you were already a

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Speaker 2: little or before you left for for combine and he

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Speaker 2: I'm talking to him, I'm like, hey, man, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: warm up, do whatever you need a do not put

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Speaker 2: two twenty five.

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Speaker 1: On there, and darned if he didn't do it.

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Speaker 2: And then it popped and then I got a call

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Speaker 2: from the Charles and he was lesson delighted to hear

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Speaker 2: my news because he was also watching it live on

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Speaker 2: TV back in Arizona. So yeah, yeah, that's one I missed.

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Speaker 2: But I do miss the crowd, right.

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Speaker 3: That's why yeah, you know, that's why he wanted to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, he got by it. He's like, exactly, I'm

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Speaker 1: in an arena for weightlifting, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, and all the other guys are here and they're

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Speaker 3: doing it. I want to do it.

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Speaker 1: Exactly.

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Speaker 2: There's a guy you probably don't like this in your

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Speaker 2: group that you're trying to show up. I mean, I'll

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Speaker 2: never forget my year. Isaac sope Wanga, who's a defensive

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Speaker 2: nine ers, and Igor Oshansky from UCLA set the record

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Speaker 2: that you're right, so O'shansky sets the record. No, No,

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Speaker 2: he got close. He was one rep short and Isaac's

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Speaker 2: what's the record? The record was forty.

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Speaker 1: Four and who had it? It was?

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Speaker 2: It was set I want to say it was set

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Speaker 2: in O two and I can't remember who it was.

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Speaker 2: It was like Brian Younger somebody I think had said it.

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Speaker 2: Now it's been broken since, yeah, but I think it

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Speaker 2: was going forward and he got to forty three and

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Speaker 2: Isaac and I trained together, so and Isaac already knew

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I just gonna blow this record out the water,

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Speaker 2: like he'd he broke it while we were training and

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Speaker 2: he was doing it reverse grip. He was doing a

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Speaker 2: reverse gip to twenty five like this, just looking around

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Speaker 2: talking to people.

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Speaker 1: He'd stop, he'd look keep going.

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Speaker 2: So I'm like, dude, I was like him and Igor

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Speaker 2: had had an issue because they were both packed ten guys.

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Speaker 2: And Igor was more touted when we went to Senior

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Speaker 2: gets up there.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget.

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Speaker 2: Isaac gets up there, wraps it out and they're like,

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Speaker 2: oh wow, he wants to get to thirty five and

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Speaker 2: thirty six, thirty seven, everybody's counting. And he gets to

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Speaker 2: forty two and he looks at Igor. He slow presses

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Speaker 2: You know, John lots over it because John Lott was

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Speaker 2: doing it for a lot a lot of times. People

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Speaker 2: that don't know, longtime stream coach for the Tampa Bay Bucks.

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Speaker 2: He was the bench press guy just.

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Speaker 3: Like yells at yeah, gonads.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, get that butt down, get that back down.

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Speaker 1: Stop art your back. You're not on a date.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know he said all this stuff, and

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Speaker 1: Can you get it off? You just can't get it

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Speaker 2: Goes halfways like nah, and then just racks it and

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Speaker 2: gets up and just stares igor the entire time. I

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Speaker 2: wrap away from breaking the record. Why did you do that?

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Speaker 2: He's like, it's not about breaking the record backs, it's

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Speaker 2: about breaking the guy.

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Speaker 1: In front of me.

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Speaker 2: I was like, that is king petty because he was.

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Speaker 2: When I tell you, like Isaac, like if it wasn't

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Speaker 2: like he had anger management issues. I mean, Grant oh

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Speaker 2: defensive linem with anger managerent issues, right, but strange to see,

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Speaker 2: strange to see in that profession. But Isaac was such

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Speaker 2: he and he was solid, but he had he took

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Speaker 2: a knee injury, he got he got he got cut

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Speaker 2: of shortened his career.

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Speaker 1: But he was a gifted dude.

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Speaker 2: Like when you talk about guys that you've been around

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Speaker 2: and seen like they're just super strong.

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Speaker 1: Naturally, he was one of.

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Speaker 2: Those guys just didn't pan out career wise. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I would never forget that moment. I was like, wow,

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Speaker 2: this is petty and the bench press. Yeah, I got

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Speaker 2: out there. I did my sixteen and I was like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: let me just get out of here. I'm not tall

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Speaker 2: enough to ride this ride.

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Speaker 1: There match Stefan pa by the way, yeah has a record, Okay,

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Speaker 1: Stefan Pea, Yeah, forty nine forty nine there it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's but that's so ridiculous. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: to give you prospective, like of the cardiovascular strength that

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Speaker 2: to do forty nine of anything, you know, just imagine

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Speaker 2: going doing forty nine push ups right right, but then

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Speaker 2: on forty nine, go ahead and throw two hundred and.

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Speaker 1: Twenty five pounds at your back and then do forty nine.

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Speaker 2: Push ups Like that's that's what's so crazy, because honestly,

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Speaker 2: you just get tired, your muscles get tired.

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Speaker 3: Just moved over ten thousand pounds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah exactly, And it's like what I mean because

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Speaker 2: I just remember doing it in my height my best

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Speaker 2: know I can probably do that.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm like, okay, it's long.

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Speaker 2: I mean, my arms are super long, Like binge press

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Speaker 2: So I was like, man, if I can get anywhere

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Speaker 2: falling short of that. I got sixteen. But but I

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Speaker 2: just remember, like, just in the practice for it, I'm like, dude,

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Speaker 2: I give kudos to all those guys on the defensive

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Speaker 2: line because that's what they do. They binge press and

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Speaker 2: they do all that. I always said, you know, to

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Speaker 2: make myself feel better, was that, you know, only time

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Speaker 2: a bench press is good is when you're on your

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Speaker 2: back and trying to toss the guy off of you.

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Speaker 1: That means you got pancakes.

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Speaker 4: So Max, the defensive lineman today with their interviews, a

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Speaker 4: lot of them are running late. They're like three hours

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Speaker 1: No surprise there.

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Speaker 2: That's how it always is, right, It's the hurry up

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Speaker 2: and wait mentality of the combine.

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Speaker 3: It could be medical stuff, it could.

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Speaker 4: Be said, Oh yeah, a lot of medical So you know,

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Speaker 4: does that raise any red flags with some of these

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Speaker 2: Because well no, because I mean even for me, like

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Speaker 2: I just told you about mind, Like I got delayed

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Speaker 2: so much that I had to do bench press the

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Speaker 2: next day with a different like position group. And all

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Speaker 2: I had was a high ankle sprain once in college

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Speaker 2: and they wanted an MRI on it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, before you go on, I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: you this. Yesterday you talked about this, They gave you

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Speaker 1: an MRI. Yeah, how many MRIs are they given in

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Speaker 1: this three four or five days or two days or what?

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Speaker 1: As many as they mean?

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Speaker 2: I mean, guys, it's more no, no, no, no, I'm

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Speaker 2: you're you're saying you got three hundred and twenty nine guys, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, let's just take out the placekickers. Unless the

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Speaker 2: placekicker had like some issue that delayed and he's an

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Speaker 2: older guy, right, because he had an injury, hurt his

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Speaker 2: leg or something. But you think they want I had

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Speaker 2: a high ankle sprain that's non surgical and I had

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Speaker 2: to do an MRI. Think about guys that actually had surgery, right,

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Speaker 2: and you you not only get an MRI, but they

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Speaker 2: also want to see T scan and then they want

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Speaker 2: X rays as well, so every guy's getting X rays.

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Speaker 1: And of course there's no knee injuries in football, so

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Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to do that.

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Speaker 2: mean even for my fingers, like I have one or

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Speaker 2: two now obviously I probably have everything but my thumbs.

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Speaker 1: to the Indiana Convention Center. The NFL Combine is in

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Speaker 1: Combine drills. That's the fascination that people have with it,

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Speaker 2: to him for thirty minutes, my game's going to be fixed.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Let me watch this again, see if I get any

439
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Speaker 2: tips on this slice correction.

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Speaker 1: Hey, So I have to tell you real quickly. I'm

441
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Speaker 1: watching shocking. I have the Golf Channel on last night,

442
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Speaker 1: and as they are prone to do, they put their

443
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Speaker 1: stuff somewhat on a loop, and whatever they were doing

444
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Speaker 1: during the day they were doing at night. And so

445
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Speaker 1: my friend rich Lerner, who is the host, and I

446
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Speaker 1: don't know how much you watch or how much you

447
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Speaker 1: know of him, he was doing my old friend timbrose Ford,

448
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Speaker 1: who passed away three years ago. He's an award is

449
00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:55,359
Speaker 1: named for him for this golf tournament. They give it

450
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Speaker 1: to some journalists. And anyway, rich is talking about all

451
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Speaker 1: the longtime golf writers. And I just happened to turn

452
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Speaker 1: over when I heard to the station to the Golf channel,

453
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Speaker 1: when I heard him mentioning different names, Tim Roseford, Larry Dorman,

454
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Speaker 1: he goes, Jerry Doulac, Marino Pars. I turned over and

455
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Speaker 1: now my colleague Ray Fitte Paula told me earlier in

456
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Speaker 1: the day he was in a workout room, and he said,

457
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Speaker 1: I heard on a golf channel. I heard him mentioned

458
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Speaker 1: Marino Pairasenzo's name. I go, really, who was my He

459
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Speaker 1: didn't tell you? He did tell you so, and I go, oh,

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Speaker 1: that was really nice. I'm glad he mentioned Marino's name.

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Speaker 1: And then so I hear that last night, I said

462
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Speaker 1: the raid this morning, I go, did you hear who

463
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Speaker 1: they mentioned before? They said Marino Paarsenzo. He said, who?

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Speaker 1: I go me, I don't know. Anyway, I texted Rich

465
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Speaker 1: and I told him. He says, thank you. That was

466
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Speaker 1: very nice. But that's just an aside there.

467
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Speaker 2: Oh man, But I mean, but that's that's awesome anytime

468
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Speaker 2: there's recognition, like you said, I mean, Jerry, you love

469
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Speaker 2: you love golf just as all you love football, right,

470
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Speaker 2: I mean, and it's something that you know. For me,

471
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Speaker 2: I enjoy the sport thoroughly, you know, and being in

472
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Speaker 2: place I grew in places where golf was definitely, you know.

473
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Speaker 1: Very very touted.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I grew up in Orlando, So Bayhill, Arnold

475
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Speaker 2: Palmer and just all all of the mystique there.

476
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Speaker 1: A lot of golfers live there.

477
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Speaker 2: And then now I live in Arizona, where they also

478
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Speaker 2: live and they also have tournaments.

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Speaker 1: I mean I was at the Waste Management Open. Did

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Speaker 1: you go? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I went on Friday, go out to sixteen Yoh. I

482
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Speaker 2: absolutely got to stay in the stadium. Baby, you got

483
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Speaker 2: a seat in there?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

485
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Speaker 2: Well one of my friends his come because all the comes.

486
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Speaker 2: So my buddy was like, hey, man, I got a

487
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Speaker 2: extra one for Friday. You want to come with me?

488
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Speaker 2: And it was awesome. It wasn't Jordon Holme one was it.

489
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Speaker 2: It was were you there for the home run?

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Speaker 1: I was. I was in line getting a drink would

491
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Speaker 1: have happened, and you know where your drink would have

492
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Speaker 1: gone if you oh no.

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Speaker 2: And that that's the only reason why I knew because

494
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Speaker 2: I was sitting there and I was like, man, nobody's

495
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Speaker 2: gonna hit one today.

496
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Speaker 1: And I was talking to my buddy missing reception, I know,

497
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Speaker 1: but you know what, but I was there.

498
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Speaker 2: I was there three years ago with I had William

499
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Speaker 2: James Ferrier with me when the Super Bowl was in

500
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Speaker 2: Arizona and I took all those guys out. Willie Colonne,

501
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I don't know if you Parker maybe Okay,

502
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Speaker 2: I got you will Willie Parker Golf. I love Willy

503
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Speaker 2: p He will do a lot of things. Sitting at

504
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Speaker 2: a golf match is not one of those things I

505
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Speaker 2: would I would imagine. But you know, so we were

506
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Speaker 2: there and we got to see the whole on one

507
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Speaker 2: there was.

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Speaker 1: That Sam Ryder's home one that was or was it,

509
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Speaker 1: uh it was Francisco, Yeah, Francisco, Yeah, it was it

510
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Speaker 1: was his.

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Speaker 2: And we were actually sitting right there in the in

512
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Speaker 2: the uh, in the open seats, in the general seating area,

513
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Speaker 2: right there on the back side of the green.

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Speaker 1: You're getting drenched. Oh my god.

515
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Speaker 2: I mean when I tell you everything was And that

516
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Speaker 2: was when you still throw beer cans on and they

517
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Speaker 2: got right, they got rid of the they got rid

518
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Speaker 2: of the only in a cup. Now it's only in

519
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Speaker 2: a cup, and so people were just throwing the drinks

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Speaker 2: off of the So you just see the shower and

521
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Speaker 2: waterfalls of beverages and and I was like, yeah, because

522
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Speaker 2: they got rid of it, because you're not allowed. So

523
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Speaker 2: will you go into sweets now like they poured the

524
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Speaker 2: beer in the cup or your hard Seltzer topo chicos

525
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Speaker 2: and all that was like I was like, uh, yeah,

526
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Speaker 2: let me just go back here too. Do they sell

527
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Speaker 2: back then they don't sell ponchos. They don't sell ponchos,

528
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Speaker 2: but it was but it was really cool. So then

529
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Speaker 2: I rushed at the last second. I took a video

530
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Speaker 2: of showing everybody throwing the stuff off, but I missed

531
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Speaker 2: the actual play. The one time I step away from watching,

532
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Speaker 2: I'm like, because Camilla Vegas, it's one.

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Speaker 1: Of my near and dear friends. We went to college

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Speaker 1: really yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Florida. Yeah. So, and we

535
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Speaker 1: were so his cold buddy Alexander right, yeah, you know Buddy. Yes,

536
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Speaker 1: I met Buddy a couple of times. Buddy's wife worked

537
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Speaker 1: for the tour. Oh, and I knew her, but I

538
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Speaker 1: never knew Buddy. But I knew obviously then of the

539
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Speaker 1: that relation in the Florida golf team because of her,

540
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Speaker 1: because she was always touting it and talking to about Yeah, exactly.

541
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Speaker 2: So Camilla and I we came in the same class

542
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Speaker 2: two thousand and and we opposite each other the entire time.

543
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Speaker 2: We were up for uh, your senior year is the

544
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Speaker 2: top athletes of that year, but it's for all sports.

545
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Speaker 2: And so I was a finalist with Camillo, and Camillo

546
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Speaker 2: ended up winning two national championship. So I'm like a

547
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Speaker 2: I believe that, but so I used to go to

548
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Speaker 2: golf class.

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget this.

550
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Speaker 2: So the Florida the Florida course is a very tight

551
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Speaker 2: golf course, so the driving ranges are opposite of each other.

552
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Speaker 2: So our classes on one end and the golf team

553
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Speaker 2: obviously was on the other end of it. But the

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Speaker 2: funny thing was, I remember, whatever reason at this time

555
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Speaker 2: I was terrible at golf, my aunt had bought me

556
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Speaker 2: a set of used clubs. There were Mazzuno irons, I'll

557
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Speaker 2: never forget it. And then she bought me this random

558
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Speaker 2: I think Slazenger, like like driving back with Slazenger was

559
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Speaker 2: still trying to make clubs, right, you know, they just

560
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Speaker 2: stick the balls. But I got a hold of this

561
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Speaker 2: and I hit it, and they kind of rolled close

562
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Speaker 2: to their area because it was only like a two

563
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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty yard trek, and I just remember Camillo

564
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Speaker 2: kind of looking and looking at it. Obviously for two

565
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Speaker 2: hundred fret the yards, I still look large, right, and so.

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Speaker 1: He's like.

567
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Speaker 2: One second he grabs the ball, teasing back and hits

568
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Speaker 2: these are range balls. I'm just like, come off, yes,

569
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Speaker 2: we know you could hit further than That's funny.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, how did we get on this convers once again?

571
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Speaker 1: How did we get to this? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: We were going to talk Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: That's right, we were. That's what I'm here for to

574
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Speaker 1: get us back on track. You're driving the bus. I'm

575
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Speaker 1: glad somebody could put it, bring it all back into focus. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I wanted to talk to you about that, and

577
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Speaker 1: Dale was mentioning this about Troy Paula Maler. The the

578
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Speaker 1: the committee places a lot of emphasis on the first ballot.

579
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Speaker 1: You better be you know, it's different than getting selected

580
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Speaker 1: if a first ballot is special to them. And there

581
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Speaker 1: were no first ballot Eli Manning, I will tell you

582
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Speaker 1: I didn't even get to the final seven. Luke Keikley,

583
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Speaker 1: who was being raved about it during the process of

584
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Speaker 1: of when he is being presented, I thought for sure

585
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Speaker 1: he was going to get in and he did not.

586
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Speaker 1: Now his career was cut short. I think what he

587
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Speaker 1: played eight years, eight seven of those were at that level.

588
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Speaker 1: But he didn't get it either. Now that doesn't mean

589
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Speaker 1: they're not going to get in. I think Eli might

590
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Speaker 1: get in next year. Drew, though, as I mentioned earlier,

591
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Speaker 1: is up next year.

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Speaker 3: There's there's some sure first ballot Hall of famers coming out.

593
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and there's going to be right now. See,

594
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Speaker 1: I think Ben short first ballot you have has to

595
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Speaker 1: be with all his numbers, three super Bowl appearances, two wins,

596
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Speaker 1: the passing numbers, the comebacks drives, your fourth quarter drives.

597
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,360
Speaker 1: Only Brady has more. And no losing seasons, no losing seasons,

598
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Speaker 1: which we were talking about. Drew Brees had three straight

599
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Speaker 1: seven and tens Eli had a lot of losing seasons,

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Speaker 1: and as Dale pointed.

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Speaker 3: Up, what one seventeen and one seventeen?

602
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Speaker 1: Right, yeah, right, quarterback first ballot. The first ballot means

603
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Speaker 1: a lot to those people, and I think it should, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, when you're talking about the greatest of the greats,

605
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Speaker 2: I mean that's essentially what you're saying. And a first ballot,

606
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Speaker 2: you know, versus a guy who eventually gets in, right there,

607
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Speaker 2: there's a difference.

608
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Speaker 1: And when you talk about changing the.

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Speaker 5: Game and being a game changer for this, which I'm

610
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Speaker 5: just that's the way I look at a Hall of

611
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Speaker 5: Famer and I see guys get in, and I think

612
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Speaker 5: that's nice for them and they were a good player,

613
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Speaker 5: but I don't think they're all.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought.

615
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Speaker 2: That it's not the Hall of Gooders, right, you know,

616
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Speaker 2: which is why I don't know. It still kind of

617
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: bothers me and I get. I get numbers are going

618
00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 2: to be in this Why Hines has not made it yet?

619
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Speaker 3: He can't even get into the final fifteen to be

620
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:18,919
Speaker 3: talked to him.

621
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a.

622
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Speaker 2: Semi talked about And I'm like, you realize rules were

623
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Speaker 2: changed because of Hines Ward. He redefined what a wide

624
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,800
Speaker 2: receiver was supposed to do in this league.

625
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Speaker 1: And he has the numbers. Yeah, they has more catches

626
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Speaker 1: than Tory Holtz. He has Tory Holt. He has more

627
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Speaker 1: touchdowns than any of the other receivers who are who

628
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Speaker 1: are among the twenty five or team.

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Speaker 4: The most catches of any of any player from two

630
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Speaker 4: thousand to twenty ten.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, more than anybody.

632
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Speaker 1: So he's never led the league in any of those categories.

633
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: That's what they look at. But you're talking about a

634
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Speaker 1: complete football player. They changed the rules because of them,

635
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 1: basically named a rule for him, and he has more

636
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Speaker 1: than respectable and I don't want to call him respectable.

637
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Speaker 1: He has very was a Super Bowl and has an MVP.

638
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: So it's like when you think of that, and it's like,

639
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:08,920
Speaker 2: now you wonder about the bias, right, you know what

640
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: I'm saying coming into that or the politics behind it

641
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: of people that don't want to see more of one

642
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: team in. But it's like, if one team has is

643
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 2: tied for the record for most Super Bowl victories, they

644
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 2: should have more people in it because that means they

645
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 2: have more great players playing at one.

646
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Speaker 1: Time to be able to get multiple super Bowls.

647
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: So you know, and and when you talk about the

648
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,280
Speaker 2: first ballot, like you said, Troy, no brainer, but they

649
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 2: still had questions even when you presented it. Alan Fanica

650
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,600
Speaker 2: was another one. I was surprised when he got in

651
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 2: because he should have been in a little bit sooner

652
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:44,960
Speaker 2: because when you're talking about transcendent players once again, he

653
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 2: really redefined what an open field pulling and screen style

654
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Speaker 2: guard was supposed to be. His versatility in the open

655
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 2: field was unmatched. And oh, by the way, you know,

656
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:59,280
Speaker 2: had you had the stat down, I'm sure only four

657
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: holding abilities in his life. I know, for that long

658
00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 2: of a career, played for three different teams for holding penalties.

659
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: And you know what happens too. It's funny because I

660
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 1: will say this and I'm not going to sit here

661
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: and say in defense of the committee, but they are

662
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 1: aware of guys who were there who need to get in,

663
00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: who have it, and they were waiting. I think it

664
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: was was it Steve Hutchinson. Yeah, they felt he had

665
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:26,200
Speaker 1: to go because of where he had been, and then

666
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: it was going to be Fanica And I think that's

667
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: kind of the way.

668
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 3: The one that was the one that kicked me off, though,

669
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 3: was the year before that.

670
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 4: Before they put either one of those two guys in,

671
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 4: they had to put Kevin Mawaii in. Yeah, was a

672
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 4: good player, and I don't want to talk badly about

673
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 4: Kevin Mawaii, but he was not He was not Fanica Orson.

674
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: And he was a center, you know what I'm saying.

675
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: And and you know, we could get into the weeds

676
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 2: about Kevin Mawaii. Yeah, I trust me, I have enough

677
00:28:54,680 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: and I love Kevin. Kevin was our president for the

678
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:58,960
Speaker 2: nfl P A right. I think that's a big part

679
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,600
Speaker 2: of it. That was a big part of why they

680
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: did it. But you know, the NFLP it isn't like

681
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 2: back in the day, right, you know, in the eighties

682
00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 2: and the nineties, right where you had where the Union

683
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 2: was like it versus the league, and it was a

684
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 2: lot of friction. Like he didn't have those issues, you

685
00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying while he was president, and yes,

686
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: you did that, but you were a dirty player. I

687
00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: mean we I mean, if you watched the film, if

688
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: you watch the tight the tight copy, which is the

689
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: end zone copy, you see where he's pulling guys from

690
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,400
Speaker 2: behind and catapulting himself around and all these other I

691
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: mean there's moves where he yanked the face mask down

692
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 2: at the snap, you know, with his off hand, just

693
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 2: to get around a bigger, better guy. I mean, and

694
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 2: I'm like he was. He was crafty and he was good.

695
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 2: But when you think of the Hall of Fame, like

696
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,440
Speaker 2: I said, it's not the Hall of good, right, it's

697
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: the Hall of fame, Like you were the best of

698
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: the best of the best, the top one percent of

699
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: the one percent of one percent, right, you know what

700
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 2: I'm saying. You're talking about that small echelon and some

701
00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 2: guys just and I get, hey, you don't want to

702
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 2: put enough of other guys in. It's like, at the

703
00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:04,000
Speaker 2: end of the day, the greatest teams, the most Super

704
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: Bowl victories, you're going to get that.

705
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 4: Well, for example, so that the the Tampa Bay Buccaneers

706
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 4: team that won the Super Bowl. Yeah, I think they've

707
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 4: gotten four or five guys in off of that team

708
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 4: they won one Super Bowl.

709
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, one right they Derrick Brooks got in, right,

710
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: Dean Brooks in sap who Yeah, Dexter was So to

711
00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: the Hines point, they're very much aware of the quote

712
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: log jam at wide receiver. And that's so right now

713
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: it's Tory Holt, Steve Smith, Reggie Wayne, Reggie Wayne, and

714
00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:48,360
Speaker 1: then Hines and then Hines is a big right, but yeah,

715
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:52,040
Speaker 1: and and but those other three are quote ahead of him,

716
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: if you will, even though there's no poll listing that.

717
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 1: But that's basically where it. So they're aware that that

718
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: log jam has to be broken here and then by

719
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: the time that does more guys the first.

720
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,479
Speaker 2: Ballot, and you got to put first ballot eily, So

721
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,440
Speaker 2: now he leap frogs everybody. And now you continue, and.

722
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 1: What happened with Andre Johnson last year, you know.

723
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean and Dre Drey was a special talent,

724
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 2: trust me to play on the as many quarterbacks as

725
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: he took catches from, you know, the passes from to

726
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,719
Speaker 2: get his numbers like phenomenal.

727
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: But my question is, Jerry, why only four this year?

728
00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: Because it's getting hard. Here's why. Because changed the rule. Yeah,

729
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 1: they changed the rules. So before you had the coach

730
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: was advanced by the coach committee and then you voted

731
00:31:40,680 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 1: yes or no, and then he got in. Then you

732
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: had the contributor, I'm sorry, contributor and coach, and then

733
00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: they advanced him and you voted for however many when

734
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: you had eighty percent, So if there were four of them,

735
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: three of them might get in. Then you had the

736
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: seniors separately, and so they advanced two or three guys

737
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:03,520
Speaker 1: there and then you voted on them. Now it's the coach, coach, contributor,

738
00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: seniors are all in with the regular guys and so

739
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: now it's just they have to get eighty percent. So

740
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: now there's more votes that are splintered. So Mike Holgrim

741
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 1: was advanced as the coach candidate, Yeah, you didn't get in,

742
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: And I don't see how it's going to be hard now,

743
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 1: even in his day. It's gonna be harder for Mike

744
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: Thomlin under these current rules. I wouldn't be surprised if

745
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 1: they changed it.

746
00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 3: Back and they changed that. So when I did it.

747
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 4: It was you voted for you got the you edd

748
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:34,719
Speaker 4: to fifteen and you voted for five, and then they

749
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: eliminated the five guys who didn't have who got the

750
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 4: fewest amount of votes out of that, and then you

751
00:32:39,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: went to ten and you voted again, and and that's

752
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 4: how you ended up getting five guys every year because

753
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,360
Speaker 4: by that point every okay, we just eliminated that group,

754
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,239
Speaker 4: but you didn't know like we made that.

755
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: We did that vote, and then you headed.

756
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 4: Over to the NFL Honors and you started getting phone

757
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 4: calls and that kind of stuff about who had gotten

758
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 4: in and who hadn't.

759
00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 2: So that was just how it worked.

760
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: You didn't do that though.

761
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: This year they they did not tell anybody who got in.

762
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: We voted and that was it, and because people were

763
00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: leaking it out and they wanted to be those knock

764
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: knocks on the door. A surprise for.

765
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 4: TV when you have to do it that way now

766
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: because the vote takes place a couple of weeks ahead

767
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 4: of time.

768
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were, we were doing it that day, that's correct.

769
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so but again it's it's it's made for

770
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: TV for that selection process that they want to get

771
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 1: on TV. But they told nobody, So I did not

772
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640
Speaker 1: know who got in until I saw it on TV.

773
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: And the worst part about that is, you know, you

774
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: heard them talk about especially when the hundredth anniversary came out, right,

775
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 2: you had the super sized class. We have this logjam,

776
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: we need to clear it up because there's so many

777
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: guys that are deserving blah blah blah. But then, like

778
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 2: you said, you change the rules and then only four

779
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 2: go in, and it's like your logjam just got tighter. Yeah,

780
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 2: now you're going to put year people in one year,

781
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:52,959
Speaker 2: Yeah exactly, and now you're going to four like like

782
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 2: that's just just a few years later. I'm like, that's

783
00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,000
Speaker 2: the one thing that's frustrating, because, like you said, you

784
00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 2: want to see the guys that have deserved it get in. Like, listen,

785
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: I love Reggie Wayne, he should be in. Tory Holt

786
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 2: should should be in as well. But like you said,

787
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: but you're gonna punish Higes because those guys.

788
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 4: Let's put it this way, those guys were on the

789
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,400
Speaker 4: ballot in twenty nineteen when I did it.

790
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Tory Holts. How long the story Holt's been

791
00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 1: a quote finalists ten times?

792
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 4: It was Heines is actually right behind him came down

793
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,799
Speaker 4: the Isaac Bruce and Tory Holt were on the same ballots, right, Yeah,

794
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 4: and like.

795
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,040
Speaker 2: You couldn't put them both in it? Yeah, he can't

796
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: put them both in. And you're like, are you gonna

797
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 2: put Tory Holt over Isaac Bruce.

798
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,920
Speaker 1: I don't know that there's seven or eight Hall of

799
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: Famers every year. That's a bit much. Yeah, and and

800
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: four seems to be about right. But when you're when

801
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 1: the founder of the National Football League, the founder of

802
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: the National Football League, Ralph Hay who is the contributor

803
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: and is up and doesn't get in, Yeah there's something

804
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: Roch who founded the league is not in the Hall

805
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: of Fame.

806
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:49,800
Speaker 3: That should have just been automatic.

807
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. Every other sport the founder of their

808
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 1: third league is in their Hall of Fame. Yeah, how

809
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 1: could that be? But you know what, under this system,

810
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be really different. Gold for him.

811
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 2: Sterling Sharp got in. Yeah, I'm glad. Yeah, finally got in.

812
00:35:04,520 --> 00:35:07,200
Speaker 2: That was a touching moment, Like I said, made for TV.

813
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 2: H It was really cool that your brother, but your

814
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 2: brother got in before you, right right right, Your younger

815
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,799
Speaker 2: brother got hit before you.

816
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: So it's just gonna be harder. And so I saw

817
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,920
Speaker 1: this the other day.

818
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 4: Just uh so Jackie Smith is in the Hall of Fame,

819
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: all right, great tight end back in the seven. You

820
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 4: look at his numbers compared to the numbers of Heath Miller,

821
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 4: it's not even close.

822
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: That's also like looking at Sean excuse me, Lynn Swan's

823
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: numbers too, which Pal Tree. So I don't know how

824
00:35:36,680 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: many wide receivers the exact number who have won the

825
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl MVP. In Hines's case, it's like eight. Yeah,

826
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,160
Speaker 1: it's not many. Three of them are Steelers, yeah, Santonio Holmes, Hines,

827
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: and Lynn Swan. Yeah, it might even be five. It's

828
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 1: a small number. Yeah, three of them are Steelers.

829
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is which is crazy And you would think,

830
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 2: no brainer. If you win the Super Bowl MVP, obviously

831
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: you've done something that's spectacular.

832
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 3: And by the way, you played in three of them. Yeah,

833
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 3: I mean.

834
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: Right right, And let's take a break and then we'll

835
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: come back. We'll come back with my final segment, Jerry

836
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: dou Lac, the Max Starks. They'll be with you until

837
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: five o'clock after I leave. I know you guys will

838
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 1: miss that, you know, carry on, Yeah, we will.

839
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 2: Well, we know that you can't go to the driving

840
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: range right now.

841
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: I saw Top Golf. Is it back raining again? Yeah?

842
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I told you yeah yeah when I got here,

843
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,359
Speaker 2: so it should be raining right now.

844
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,640
Speaker 1: The Top Golf is undercover of that. She can Yeah,

845
00:36:28,680 --> 00:36:30,319
Speaker 1: you test to go there? Yeah, and you saw the

846
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: nets not far when I'm driving in, so it's not

847
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 1: far from there.

848
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:34,160
Speaker 2: It's not far from here, but I won't be there.

849
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: The Captain America game is really fun. I took my

850
00:36:36,200 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 2: daughter there last weekend. Oh right, golf. That was her

851
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: daddy daughter. Yeah, because my daughter lives daddy. I want,

852
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,200
Speaker 2: I want to play golf. I'm like music to my ear. Sweet,

853
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: let's go, grab your back, let's get it. So I

854
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 2: grabbed her a little ping bag, you know, and I

855
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 2: took her because she she's in the club program for

856
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: ping where you can you.

857
00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 1: Can adjust up your clubs. So yeah, she she loves golf.

858
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 1: So how old is she ten? Wonderful? Yeah, yeah, we'll

859
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 1: take a break, be back with more right afterday. Right,

860
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: we are back to the Indiana Convention Center. Busy place

861
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: here today at the radio rows. It is during the combine.

862
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,680
Speaker 1: It's a grown by Leaps and Brownsdale from when we

863
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,360
Speaker 1: first started coming to what we see now, there are.

864
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say ten times the amount of tables here now.

865
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 3: That radio boosts that were set up when we first

866
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: came out here.

867
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, the first I always say, the first time I came,

868
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: which was Mike Tommans first or second year, there were

869
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 1: two radio setups outside the lobby of Lucas Oil when

870
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,200
Speaker 1: the meet.

871
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were actually allowed to be in the stadium,

872
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 3: right right.

873
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then uh, and then when we first started

874
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: broadcasting back on what would have been wells Fox Sports Pittsburgh,

875
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: then actually Fox Sports come full circle, right yeah, I

876
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 1: think we were one of seven, one of seven. And

877
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: now look at every team as over dails and TV

878
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: their websites.

879
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 2: Every team, every city right there, and then random random

880
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: other things with Gorilla Sports summers.

881
00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 1: I don't even I'm like, so you have even some

882
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: of the others.

883
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 2: Like you said, if you say you're thinking about starting

884
00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 2: a podcast, you can get a credential.

885
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 1: Here Dale the way that works. Yeah, so uh, Max,

886
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: you know, we've been talking a lot about the defensive

887
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 1: linemen because they were out today here in front of us.

888
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: So when you look at defensive lineman drills. What do

889
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 1: you like to see or want to see from them

890
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,120
Speaker 1: or what do you think? What do they want?

891
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 3: Max likes to see them fall down, right.

892
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like to see them fall down on their forties?

893
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: What would they what would they be looking for? What

894
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 1: do you look? So?

895
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,000
Speaker 2: I think one of the big of the combine drills

896
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 2: that are here now, they've they've obviously changed some of

897
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: the on the field workout stuff afterwards, but the actual

898
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:53,560
Speaker 2: measurable running style drills that I care about five ten

899
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 2: five in the L drill because the drill is huge. Yeah,

900
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: the L drill is huge because how do you retrace

901
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: after you run up few on a pass rush? And

902
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,720
Speaker 2: do you can you get back tight on that angle

903
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: or do you have to run the arc and then

904
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: come back or you you one of those guys. It's like,

905
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 2: you know, I like to call the semi trailers right,

906
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,319
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, The wide right turns, you know,

907
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,760
Speaker 2: beware of the wide right turns, you know, because that's

908
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:17,040
Speaker 2: something where it shows the athleticism and the hit and

909
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: the hip flip because for defensive line and that's the

910
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: most important thing. How can you hip flip and get

911
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,879
Speaker 2: back into position. But I like the five ten five

912
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 2: because now if we're talking about slanting, if we're talking

913
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,560
Speaker 2: about stunting, how quick are you to get there get back?

914
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 2: Can you post and then bounce off of guys? So

915
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 2: those two drills are really the ones I care about

916
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,319
Speaker 2: a combine. Now the rest is going to be you know,

917
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: I know, guys like, hey, what's this ten yard split

918
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: and all these other funny things, But for me, it's like,

919
00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 2: the split's fine. I mean, yeah, you're gonna show explosiveness

920
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: from that ten yard split, but it still doesn't mean

921
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: you can play football, you know what I'm saying, Like,

922
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 2: you know, and you're coached on how to do that

923
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 2: split to stay low, but I don't want to see

924
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: you come out low and have a great ten yard

925
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 2: split and the I watch film and you stand up

926
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,840
Speaker 2: right as a ball snapped right. Those are the things

927
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 2: that I care about. And with a five ten to five,

928
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 2: you have to stay low the entire time as you

929
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:08,840
Speaker 2: adjust your body, Eldro, you gotta stay low. There's none

930
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: of those Titanic yeah exactly exactly, you're going to hit

931
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 2: the iceberg. So so those drills really tell me about

932
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: the guys flexibility, and of course on the field stuff,

933
00:40:20,160 --> 00:40:22,600
Speaker 2: some of their pursuit drills. You know, I mean everybody

934
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 2: can hit a dummy bag, you know what I'm saying.

935
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, that's that's not impressive. The hula hoops for

936
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 2: edge guys, you know running that. I mean you do

937
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: that every day since you've been in high school. You know,

938
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 2: you run the hula hoop drills a defensive lineman. So

939
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,759
Speaker 2: those don't really attract me. Those attract me because that

940
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 2: means this guy can stay low and still generate power

941
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: from a low position.

942
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:42,439
Speaker 1: And that's what matters.

943
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 2: That D line where you're talking about holding the point

944
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:45,800
Speaker 2: on the run game, where you're talking about splitting a

945
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: double team in pass rush. You know, those are things

946
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 2: like Jalen Carter. You know it was one of those guys.

947
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 2: I mean, if you go back and look at his

948
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 2: his numbers were ridiculous when he did it. And now

949
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 2: that's what you're looking at. That's your new prototype, is

950
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,200
Speaker 2: that type of player. I need that guy at three technique, right,

951
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 2: they want that guy.

952
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: Jerry brought up a guy in the in the segment

953
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: before the hour before you got there, Delane Walker out

954
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,719
Speaker 4: of Kentucky and I watched I watched him at the

955
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl, and I'm like, does he realize that you

956
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 4: you you know, he's six eight and he can't just

957
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:15,440
Speaker 4: stand straight up every time.

958
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 2: Listen, Willie Lampkin five to ten. The U n C

959
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 2: Guard dummied him.

960
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:19,919
Speaker 1: That's all right.

961
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:21,800
Speaker 2: He dummied him in the one on one drills of

962
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:26,800
Speaker 2: Senior Bowl. Yeah, five seventy. Just let that sink in. Yeah,

963
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 2: let that sink in. But I mean I saw the film,

964
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: you know, because because I had I had Kentucky and

965
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: the SEC. I was like, look like Tarzan, play like Jane.

966
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 1: I said he.

967
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 3: I said, he's a.

968
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 4: He's a slightly more athletic. Damn mccullors.

969
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's when I win. Oh yeah, damn praise

970
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 1: so who. But that's the truth. Darren and I were

971
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:54,759
Speaker 1: talking in our one about the the quality, if you will,

972
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: the amount the depth of the defense interior defensive line

973
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, I said, is there a Jalen Carter?

974
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: There is not a Jalen Carter, right, But once again,

975
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,040
Speaker 2: I don't think their neat a scheme can create a

976
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 2: Jalen Carter the right, which.

977
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,919
Speaker 1: Was gonna lead me to another question, but go ahead, Yeah,

978
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: which I was gonna ask earlier.

979
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: So if he's in the right scheme, like Jalen Carter

980
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 2: could take on double teams and make them seem like

981
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 2: single blocks.

982
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:24,799
Speaker 1: You know. But here's the thing.

983
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 2: You could scheme that to where the guy could have

984
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 2: the single blocks because you got a beast on the

985
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 2: other end, all like Cam Heyward, Uh, you know where

986
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 2: you're thinking about it. So you don't need Jalen Carter

987
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 2: every single year in this draft because the chances of

988
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: him pairing up with another beast is gonna be few

989
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: and far between because that guy's gonna go so early

990
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 2: and the guys that usually have those types are usually

991
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: later in the draft. Right, you talk about eighteen through

992
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,160
Speaker 2: thirty two, is gonna have that guy one through seventeen's not?

993
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: So you know that guy's gonna go and I think

994
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 2: you know and outside, I mean, listen, it was a

995
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: perfect storm how Philadelphia got him right, because he had

996
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 2: he had he had the whole racing thing. Literally the

997
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 2: day that they gave that dropped and then it was

998
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 2: like he has to report in for questioning, right, you know,

999
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 2: and so that dropped his stock immediately. I mean, it

1000
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 2: wasn't quite the Laramie Tunsil type of deal where it

1001
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 2: happened on draft day, but it happened literally the first

1002
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 2: day of combat when he showed up when they were

1003
00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 2: about to do media reviews.

1004
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 1: Because I remember being here with you guys.

1005
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 2: When that when that information dropped, because I was like,

1006
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 2: this is for sure, this is gonna be Trayvon Walker, right,

1007
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 2: who was another Georgia defensive lineman that went top overall.

1008
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 2: I was like, Jalen Carr is the next one, you

1009
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, And then that happens, he falls

1010
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 2: and Philadelphia is able to get him. But yeah, I

1011
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 2: don't think there's that guy here. But I don't think

1012
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 2: you really needed that guy, because there's such good quality

1013
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: that you have guys who can do other things than

1014
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 2: just what Jalen Carter does and still get the same

1015
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 2: similar results on the right team.

1016
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Kobe Turner for example. Yeah, it was

1017
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:55,640
Speaker 3: a third round draft pick.

1018
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:56,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1019
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: There's a bunch of Kobe Turners in this in this

1020
00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 4: draft that are gonna be good players.

1021
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 1: And they're gonna get drafted a lot sooner than Kobe Turner.

1022
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 2: Right, Because you're like you see Kobe turn draft position

1023
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 2: does not dictate skill set, right, because at the end

1024
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,400
Speaker 2: of the day, the draft is about runs, and where

1025
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,240
Speaker 2: you fall on that run sheet, you if you happen

1026
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 2: to be in the right group, good day for you. Right,

1027
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,280
Speaker 2: You're gonna get drafted a little bit sooner than you expected.

1028
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,480
Speaker 2: But it pushes a lot of quality guys back. That's

1029
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: why Day two in this draft is so important. If

1030
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,400
Speaker 2: you can stockpile picks in day two because like you said,

1031
00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:32,040
Speaker 2: you've got a lot of Kobe Turner types, right, You've

1032
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 2: got a lot of these guys who can do things

1033
00:44:35,040 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: that are above average, and if I can get a

1034
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: concentration to them, because most of the turnover in this

1035
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 2: draft is gonna be in day two, you're gonna see

1036
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: a lot of wheeling and dealing for guys trying to

1037
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: get into that day two pack because it's so highly

1038
00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 2: concentrated and you've only got what you've only got seventy

1039
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: picks in day two and you got thirty two teams.

1040
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 2: Somebody wants to win the war of attrition to say

1041
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: that I had or four and that as opposed to

1042
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:02,479
Speaker 2: two that I'm getting.

1043
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 1: And then of course your compensatories.

1044
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of what so rams had been doing.

1045
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 4: They get stocked well on a first round pick, but

1046
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 4: they kept stockpiling those.

1047
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:09,959
Speaker 1: Days T shirt.

1048
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: Remember the T shirt them first round You know that

1049
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 2: they put out there.

1050
00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:17,360
Speaker 4: If if you've got six Day two picks, you're probably

1051
00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:18,359
Speaker 4: gonna hit on four of them.

1052
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and easily.

1053
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,479
Speaker 2: And in this draft, absolutely, I don't care how bad

1054
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 2: your your schematics are. As a scouting staff, if you

1055
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: get a stockpile of second round picks.

1056
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: You're gonna look like geniuses.

1057
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: And you know, I think of a team like Cleveland, right,

1058
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,839
Speaker 2: you know that has a cash of picks that can

1059
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: move around. I think that's a team that's gonna try

1060
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: and make a lot of amount of noise in Day two.

1061
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 2: I don't think we'll see as much day one. I

1062
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 2: think the only reason we'll see a little bit more

1063
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 2: Day one action is because of the amount of guys

1064
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 2: who are requesting trades or put out there on the

1065
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 2: trade block, right, the Cooper Cups of the world, you know,

1066
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: and and Miles Garretts and all those type of guys.

1067
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: Even though I know they've kind of they've kind of

1068
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: feigned on what they think Miles Garrett wants. But at

1069
00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: the same time, you know that's still a piece of

1070
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 2: this out there. Like we didn't expect the A. J.

1071
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:04,839
Speaker 2: Brown trade right with the Titans and the Eagles, and

1072
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 2: that happened. So we're gonna see some of those surprises

1073
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:09,879
Speaker 2: on day one, but day two I expect a lot

1074
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:10,480
Speaker 2: of activity.

1075
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: So when when you look at the Steelers scheme, who

1076
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: do you feel defensive line will stick with? Yeah, you

1077
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 1: feel best fits that scheme? And alternately, do they need

1078
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: to change some of their scheme upfront and the way

1079
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 1: they play?

1080
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: So I'm glad you said that, Jerry. I'm gonna go

1081
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:32,080
Speaker 2: into my hand on TV. But yeah, I'm zipping his bag.

1082
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,200
Speaker 2: I'm zipping my handed up. There's a secret Manila folder here.

1083
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:37,479
Speaker 2: How did that happen?

1084
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: I was expecting some type of device. Yeah, no, no, no,

1085
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: no device this time. But I happen to have my player.

1086
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 2: Index and so I put a list of guys. You

1087
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 2: can see the dots and the ex's they can't see

1088
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: it on camera, guys, I have I have air marked

1089
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 2: for defensive capabilities within our scheme, and I'm gonna go

1090
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 2: buy these alphabetic orders.

1091
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,799
Speaker 1: I'm not going to rank these. Darius Alexander, it's one

1092
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 1: of those guys. Yes, I have.

1093
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: Joshua Farmer has an X he's like a day Twosh.

1094
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: You know, if he's there, you know falls to you great,

1095
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,200
Speaker 2: I'm not going to reach for Yes. Kenneth Grant, Yes,

1096
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 2: another one. He has a circle that means I like

1097
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:17,920
Speaker 2: him a lot and you should go after that guy.

1098
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: Garnered. Yeah.

1099
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 2: Derek Harmon, Yes, is another one that I have. Mark

1100
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:25,120
Speaker 2: and of course Walter Nolan, who's a guy I've called

1101
00:47:25,120 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: ole miss.

1102
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: I know.

1103
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: I know Lane and his craziness for a very long time.

1104
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,440
Speaker 2: I've know Lane very well. I love Walter Nolan. But

1105
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,919
Speaker 2: Walter Nolan's not going to be there, sadly, but those

1106
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: won't be there at twenty. He won't be there at twenty.

1107
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 2: He's probably he's probably wanted to. Him and Grant are

1108
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,160
Speaker 2: probably the top two, and it just depends on what

1109
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 2: Grant Grant Grant. Yeah, so you think before Graham, I think, well, no,

1110
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:53,840
Speaker 2: I think he's close. I think they're they're the top three. Graham,

1111
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:55,800
Speaker 2: Grant and Nolan are the top three.

1112
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 1: Of this class.

1113
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 2: But at the same for what we need, Yeah, because

1114
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:01,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody's Graham doesn't.

1115
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 3: Graham doesn't fit what the Steelers do.

1116
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,319
Speaker 2: No, he doesn't. But he's just a humongous human being

1117
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 2: that's going to go. But yeah, that's why he's not

1118
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: on my list. I don't have Graham as a guy

1119
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: that we should go after.

1120
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to be sure we're clear now, Grant,

1121
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: you're right. The bigger guy, the bigger guy, Graham you're

1122
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:19,839
Speaker 1: saying doesn't fit. He doesn't. He doesn't. It gives me.

1123
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: Louder Milk esque vibes for our scheme, for our scheme.

1124
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: He told. I asked him today if you talk to

1125
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 1: the Steelers. He said no, And I said, you they

1126
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 1: on the list? He said no, No, I know that

1127
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: doesn't always mean a lot because I wasn't on their list.

1128
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 1: I wasn't they could talk to him. Another time I was.

1129
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: The one time that I spoke.

1130
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:43,000
Speaker 2: I spoke to the Steelers was when Coach Cower was

1131
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,239
Speaker 2: at my pro day at my way in guess what.

1132
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 2: Guess when I saw him next when he called you

1133
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,440
Speaker 2: and Pittsburgh. That's how I saw him, was in Pittsburgh, right,

1134
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 2: I talked to him on the phone.

1135
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: That was it.

1136
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 2: So I didn't even get an interview with the Steelers.

1137
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: I thought I was going to be a Philadelphia Eagle.

1138
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 1: I remember you saying that.

1139
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the Eagles. I interviewed with him a Senior Bowl.

1140
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,400
Speaker 2: I interviewed with them here here at the Combine. I

1141
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: had two private workouts with Castillo, their offensive line coach

1142
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,640
Speaker 2: at the time, and they flew.

1143
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,959
Speaker 1: Me to Philly to the facility. I saw them five times.

1144
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,320
Speaker 2: You couldn't tell me I was not gonna be a

1145
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: Philadelphia Eagle at that point. And then they, of course

1146
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 2: they jump up and they grabbed uh. Uh was Shawn's

1147
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:26,440
Speaker 2: last name? I can't think of his brother's name. Oh God,

1148
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 2: he's gonna kill me. I do this every time. Uh Andrews,

1149
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 2: Sean Andrews. He jumped up and took Sean Andrews brother,

1150
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 2: him and his brother Stacey. We all trained. That's that's

1151
00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 2: the guy that coward liked. That's yeah, Jean Andrews. They

1152
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:42,719
Speaker 2: thought they were gonna take. And then of course Ben's there,

1153
00:49:42,719 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: and of course the way the story goes, Dan Rooney

1154
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: kind of you know this, Uh, Ben Roethlisberger a number

1155
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: eleven wouldn't be bad, and yeah, you know who knows

1156
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 2: the real story.

1157
00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:53,840
Speaker 1: But they gave him a little nudge and uh.

1158
00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well because Vernon Carey went right before Ben at

1159
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 2: ten to Miami, so so you had Robert Gallery gone,

1160
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 2: then Vernon carry and Sean was the third lineman that

1161
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 2: was taken in and they jumped up to sixteen to

1162
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:10,319
Speaker 2: get him, and so I thought they were coming to

1163
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 2: get me. And then of course after this, but then

1164
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 2: that was it for the offensive lineman in the first round.

1165
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:17,680
Speaker 1: Well, speaking of which is rare, speaking of that was it.

1166
00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:19,920
Speaker 1: That's it for me. There, it is there, it is

1167
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,359
Speaker 1: go ahead. You guys will carry on from two to five.

1168
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: Matt Williamson will be joining the crew here as well.

1169
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:29,520
Speaker 1: I'll be back with the boys tomorrow, day two of

1170
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: our coverage from the NFL Combine. We'll continue right after

1171
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: this on Fox Sports Pittsburgh and Steeler Nation Radio