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Speaker 1: I'm a man, I'm forty.

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Speaker 2: I've heard so many players say, well, I want to

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Speaker 2: be happy. You want to be happy for a day?

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Speaker 2: Edo State?

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoo? And no Dan and tie Dan Rubinstein,

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Speaker 1: what a Saturday it was? Yes, the college football season

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Speaker 1: is now officially in the books, at least the regular

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Speaker 1: slash conference championship part of the season. There were nine

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Speaker 1: games this weekend. We're going to talk through at least

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Speaker 1: a little bit about all of them, and a lot

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Speaker 1: more about some of them, because boyd did we have

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Speaker 1: some interesting things go down today. Thank you to one

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Speaker 1: and all for tuning in. We're going to do our

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Speaker 1: part over the next hour or so to unpack all

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Speaker 1: of this, what it means, how we feel there is

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Speaker 1: a lot to sink our teeth into. As we have

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Speaker 1: conference champions about own. Please hit file, please hit subscribe,

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Speaker 1: don't forget. We're going to be doing a full run

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Speaker 1: through of all of the playoff field, the seedings, the

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Speaker 1: decisions that the committee made tomorrow or as I should say,

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Speaker 1: many of you are listening to this on Sunday, technically

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Speaker 1: it is Sunday, as we are recording this yeah, five

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Speaker 1: shortly thereafter on the audio feed. Sir, we just got

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Speaker 1: We thought we were only going to be talking about

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Speaker 1: big happenings in the SEC game earlier in the day.

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Speaker 1: The same could be said for the Big twelve game

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Speaker 1: that took place at noon Eastern time as well. So

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Speaker 1: my voice is dead, but I'm going to power through here, man,

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Speaker 1: because we got a lot to discuss.

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Speaker 2: Man, you didn't even mention what Montana State over Yale,

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Speaker 2: What are we talking about here? We had all sorts games.

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Speaker 2: Villanova somehow, some way on the road against Lehigh. Let's

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Speaker 2: start with the big ten.

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Speaker 1: Thirteen to ten was your final score. Ohio State came

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Speaker 1: into this game about a three and a half four,

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Speaker 1: They were still I think the choice by many folks

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Speaker 1: who look at this game, and when you were, I

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Speaker 1: guess forced to make a decision. We all said, Ohio State, Dan,

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Speaker 1: everybody thought Indiana was good.

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Speaker 2: I did, you did, But yes, we all thought Indiana

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Speaker 1: But this is Ohio State we were talking about here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Indiana won this game. This was the defensive battle. Really,

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Speaker 1: the story of the day for me across the board

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Speaker 1: was how four defenses fared. I guess in this case

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Speaker 1: we had two thirteen to ten was well under whatever

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Speaker 1: lot about the Indiana who who hoosiers in this one?

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Speaker 2: Dan, Well, we did and we didn't. Right, This is

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Speaker 2: who Indiana has been this season. They've We've had a

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Speaker 2: They were able to come through in those close calls.

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Speaker 2: The thing that those three teams had in common was defense,

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Speaker 2: and Ohio State certainly has that defense. But the only

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Speaker 2: thing we learned is that Indiana continues to finish, They

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Speaker 2: continue to close. I don't know how you come away

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Speaker 2: from that game thinking anything but Indiana is just excellent.

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Speaker 2: Like we saw this Indiana, not this Indiana team, but

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Speaker 2: know what to believe with their schedule. Obviously Indiana Moore

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Speaker 2: there I watch Indiana. They just they won more one

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Speaker 1: Joel Klatt brought up something very interesting on the broadcast,

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Speaker 1: But what Joel Klatt brought up on the broadcast was

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Speaker 2: Now, look, let's be as clear as we can be.

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Speaker 2: Ohio State had opportunities to win this game. There was

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Speaker 2: And I know there are complaints about calls, non calls, whatever, but.

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Speaker 1: They didn't calls a game either way.

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Speaker 2: Indiana is your big ten champ and they went through

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Speaker 1: Just monsters incredible. I would bring up a few other points.

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Speaker 1: one of the finalists absolutely, and This is another clutch

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Speaker 1: I don't think you watched this game with Indiana winning

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Speaker 1: dominated this game. They dominated this game. They held Alabama

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Speaker 1: So Georgia just absolutely dominated this game, and I think

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Speaker 2: This is the conversation we're having now. You don't want

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Speaker 1: Well, we're here, we're here. What would you do with Alabama?

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Speaker 2: I think I'd be fine with leaving them out. I

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Speaker 2: that it's a privilege for Alabama to be in this

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Speaker 2: it's a meaningful game in Alabama didn't even come close.

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Speaker 2: Alabama didn't score. They had zero points until the fourth quarter?

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Speaker 2: Is that correct? In fact check me on that it's correct,

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Speaker 2: I just think as much as the conference championship idea

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Speaker 2: the game happened. It wasn't Alabama's tenth SEC game. It

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Speaker 2: was Alabama's ninth conference game. A lot of teams play

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Speaker 2: But because of the unique nature of this year's rankings,

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Speaker 2: so because they lost that game to Florida State, because

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Speaker 2: It's a complete personal opinion that's mine right now.

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Speaker 1: The committee is in an impossible situation with this, for sure,

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Speaker 1: Greg Sank goes into a darkness retreat. If that's what

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Speaker 1: goes on.

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Speaker 2: Did you see that Paul Finebaum, super likable guy. Everybody

439
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Speaker 2: agrees always that Paul Finebaum said he was going to

440
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Speaker 2: call for like a congressional investigation. Place again, super likable guy.

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Speaker 1: Now let's have the politicians fix everything because that usually works, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that if Alabama weren't to get in, Like

443
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Speaker 2: there is that element of like, how could you possibly

444
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Speaker 2: have a postseason without Alabama football? And my answer would be, like,

445
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Speaker 2: I know pretty easily. It seems I think the world

446
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Speaker 2: will keep on spinning without Alabama football in this playoff.

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Speaker 1: If you drop them two spots, you kind of invalidate, yeah,

448
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Speaker 1: conference championship games. And on the other hand, if you

449
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Speaker 1: don't put both Notre Dame and Miami in you are

450
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Speaker 1: also invalidating the head to head tiebreaker, sure right, because

451
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Speaker 1: the committee now has to pick between one or the other.

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Speaker 1: I suppose they could try to split the difference, drop

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Speaker 1: Alabama one spot, move Notre Dame or Miami. I don't

454
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Speaker 1: know what they're going to do up a spot, and

455
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Speaker 1: then both Alabama and one of Notre Dame in Miami

456
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Speaker 1: gets in. But again, that's not going to call most

457
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Speaker 1: of these arguments.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: I think you've got to pick one or the other

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Speaker 1: in light of this performance, and I don't know which

461
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Speaker 1: direction they're going to go. Personally, if it were me,

462
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Speaker 1: I don't think they looked like a playoff team today.

463
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Speaker 1: I thought that was a really bad showing. I thought

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Speaker 1: georg I.

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Speaker 2: Don't think they've looked like a playoff team lately.

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Speaker 1: Georgia dominated them through and through the game could have

467
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Speaker 1: been worse and it wasn't. And if it were up

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Speaker 1: to me, I would probably put Miami in ahead of

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Speaker 1: Notre Dame. I put Notre Dame at ten and sorry, Alabama,

470
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Speaker 1: you're at eleven.

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Speaker 2: Alabama also lost to the playoff team in a power

472
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Speaker 2: conference with the clear worst offense in Oklahoma at home.

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Speaker 2: Like I just think there are a bunch of data points.

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Speaker 2: If you're going to point to head to head with

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Speaker 2: Miami and Notre Dame as an important factor of why

476
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Speaker 2: Miami should be in over Notre Dame, I think you

477
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Speaker 2: have to look at that week as well. In week one,

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Speaker 2: Florida State, who by the way, has not run a

479
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Speaker 2: road game since twenty twenty three, beating which is Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Which is crazy. Man.

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Speaker 2: So if week one is meaningful as for how we

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Speaker 2: evaluate these teams, which a lot of people are telling

483
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Speaker 2: me it is, then fine, then we have to have

484
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Speaker 2: this data point for Florida State and Obama as well

485
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Speaker 2: concern and considering Alabama. And I'm fine with it. This

486
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Speaker 2: will be fine with it.

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Speaker 1: This is our knee jerk reaction show. We were doing

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Speaker 1: this slate. We were doing this after streaming during these

489
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Speaker 1: night games for four four and a half hours. By

490
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Speaker 1: the time people listen to the in some cases, the

491
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Speaker 1: committee will have already given its field of twelve. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because again this comes out at noon or one pm

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Speaker 1: Eastern time on Sunday, We're going to be live one

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Speaker 1: more time five pm Eastern time right here on the

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Speaker 1: YouTube channel, as many of you are watching now to

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Speaker 1: react to all of these matchups and what the committee

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Speaker 1: decided to do. But at least at time of recording,

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Speaker 1: a little bleary eyed and with a voice that sounds

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Speaker 1: like I smoke seven packs a day.

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Speaker 2: You sound great.

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Speaker 1: I kind of feel like Alabama deserves to be on

502
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Speaker 1: the outside looking in after this.

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Speaker 2: I just we all saw it, right, we saw it.

504
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Speaker 2: We saw we all saw them overwhelmed. If the SEC

505
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Speaker 2: and whatever, the Big ten, with the Big Ten, the

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Speaker 2: A see, if we're going to say these conference championship

507
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Speaker 2: games are a meaningful enough thing that we are going

508
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Speaker 2: to throw money behind it, if they're going to impact

509
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Speaker 2: the rankings, it's going to be a championship thing. It's

510
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Speaker 2: going to be mean bonus money for all these coaches

511
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Speaker 2: and every like. If it's a meaningful thing to win

512
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Speaker 2: the conference via a conference championship game, it has to

513
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Speaker 2: mean something in a couple of different directions. Now, I

514
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Speaker 2: don't think you knock Alabama dramatically, like I don't think

515
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Speaker 2: you knocked BYU dramatically, like you don't knock Virginia dramatic, whatever,

516
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Speaker 2: Because it is an impressive thing to get to this game,

517
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Speaker 2: But there has to be some like you can't just like, well,

518
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Speaker 2: Alabama lost that game in embarrassing fashion, and they remain

519
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Speaker 2: where they're ranked to unchange.

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Speaker 1: I mean, let's put it this way. They certainly won't

521
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Speaker 1: be moving up, right, you can't. It's really tough to

522
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Speaker 1: justify them holding.

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Speaker 2: Never say never. Nick Saban has a lot of phone numbers.

524
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Speaker 1: Tie. Yeah, Nick Saban was apparently film and Verbo commercials

525
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Speaker 1: instead of watching the first Notre Dame Miami game.

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Speaker 2: But that's what it seems like.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, This is definitely going to be a flashpoint in

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Speaker 1: the conversation. Whether you agree or disagree, I think we

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Speaker 1: can all agree that it will be very interesting to

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Speaker 1: see which direction they go. I kind of see it

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Speaker 1: as a binary choice. They're going to piss off a

532
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Speaker 1: certain faction of the fan base regardless of what they do.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just part of the nature of the

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Speaker 1: beast here. But many, you know, for as many new

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Speaker 1: things as we have put into this sport to try

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Speaker 1: and fine tune it, be it the transfer portal, NIL

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Speaker 1: Conference realignment, expanded playoff, a strength of record metric as

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Speaker 1: part of the factors that determine the field. No matter

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Speaker 1: what we try to do to make this sport less

540
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Speaker 1: complicated and more straightforward. We keep coming up with these

541
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Speaker 1: fringe cases like this that throw the whole thing in

542
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Speaker 1: a blender, and it's crazy.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and they'll they'll change something, and they'll say, well,

544
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Speaker 2: we're going to change this tiebreaker, we're going to change

545
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Speaker 2: the way these teams are ranked, We're going to change

546
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Speaker 2: how many conference championship get in or whatever. And there's

547
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Speaker 2: going to be a new set of unforeseen errors. And

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Speaker 2: it's crazy how we're gonna how we're gonna roll.

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Speaker 1: The game earlier in the day on Saturday was Texas

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Speaker 1: Tech and BYU, a rematch of one that we saw

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Speaker 1: earlier in the season. It was a game that felt

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Speaker 1: an awfully lot like the first one. Final was thirty

553
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Speaker 1: four to seven Texas hech over BYU. B Yu came

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Speaker 1: out a little bit more aggressive this time around. They

555
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Speaker 1: started out this game on fire, a fourteen play ninety

556
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Speaker 1: yard drive they milked almost seven minutes off the clock.

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Speaker 1: They ended it with an L. J. Martin touchdown. It

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Speaker 1: was actually the first time a team scored on its

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Speaker 1: opening drive all year against Texas Tech. So I'm watching this,

560
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Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, man Kalani Satakis, staying you know, the

561
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Speaker 1: boys are fired up. This is gonna be a different

562
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Speaker 1: thing altogether. But the deeper we got into it, the

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Speaker 1: more and more it started to feel like momentum was

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Speaker 1: just slowly building for Texas Tech.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was also like inflame tissue slowly building in

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Speaker 2: bear bach Meyer's ankle.

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Speaker 1: He couldn't move.

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Speaker 2: But at first horror I felt horrible, like it just

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Speaker 2: you know, the guy has been the heartbeat of this

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Speaker 2: offense with his ability to improvise as a freshman, his

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Speaker 2: ability to run.

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Speaker 1: You're talking about arm Baron Morton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is that what I said? What did I say?

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Speaker 2: You said, Bear? Excuse me bear Bachmeyer. So it's a

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Speaker 2: double bear situation. Like I mentioned earlier on in the season,

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Speaker 2: Bear Bachmeyer and he screws up his ankle and it's horrible.

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Speaker 2: And he has been the ultimate playmaker for BYU this season.

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Speaker 2: And as soon as he went down, he was unable

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Speaker 2: to plant. He's unable to really put anything behind his throws.

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Speaker 2: He's all sort of arming short throws. And I said

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Speaker 2: to you, and what was it at halftime thirteen to seven,

582
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Speaker 2: when it was like very clear that they weren't going

583
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Speaker 2: to be able to do anything offensively through the air.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I said, I don't know what the

585
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Speaker 2: live line is, but Texas Tech's about to win this

586
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Speaker 2: game by twenty seven, twenty eight points. And they did.

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Speaker 2: And this is not to take away a single thing

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Speaker 2: from Ben Roberts, who just had magnets in his glove

589
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Speaker 2: for wherever the ball was going.

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Speaker 1: To also got hurt before he yes picked the ball

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Speaker 1: off twice at almost a third the total monastery.

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Speaker 2: Look. The best thing in this game, and it wasn't

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Speaker 2: particularly close, was the Texas Tech defense. They hounded BYU

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Speaker 2: BYU needed its a plus game. They need to be

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Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty three percent of what they were

596
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Speaker 2: in that first matchup, and they weren't. And that's okay

597
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Speaker 2: because Texas Tech is an incredible team. But once he

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Speaker 2: you know, hurt his ankle pretty early on, it was

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Speaker 2: just it was pretty evident that Texas Tech was going

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Speaker 2: to be able to change the complexion of this game

601
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Speaker 2: pretty dramatically. They did so on defense, setting up short

602
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Speaker 2: fields and to turnovers, and then things just opened up

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Speaker 2: on offense for Texas Tech. An incredible year, an incredible

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Speaker 2: year for the Red Raiders. They are going to be

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Speaker 2: a top four seed. They're going to get a bye

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Speaker 2: and they quitted themselves beyond what I'm sure even the

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Speaker 2: most optimistic Texas Tech fan you know in September could

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Speaker 2: have ever imagined throughout this year.

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Speaker 1: So congratulations and honestly, if you're a BYU fan, despite

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Speaker 1: the fact that at least from my vantage point, Texas

611
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Speaker 1: Tech was slowly building that momentum, Texas Tech still had

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Speaker 1: a hell of a time trying to get in the

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Speaker 1: end zone.

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Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the UYU defense was again very good in

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Speaker 1: the red zone on the day. They forced six field

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Speaker 1: goal attempts, and as you said, it was just thirteen

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Speaker 1: to seven at halftime. Now, this one picked up steam

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Speaker 1: in the second half. BYU had four second half turnovers

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Speaker 1: that gave Tech short fields. I know BYU has played

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Speaker 1: from and won from behind a couple times so far

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Speaker 1: the season, but it just like the deeper we got

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Speaker 1: into this one, I kept being left with the feeling that, yes,

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Speaker 1: but maybe not against Texas Tech, like you need to

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Speaker 1: show something other than what they showed for the vast

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Speaker 1: majority of this game. As bear Bachmeyer, who was hurt

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Speaker 1: and that sucks, tried to stretch the field a little

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Speaker 1: bit tried to throw a little bit more downfield. You know,

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Speaker 1: they graduated to a point in this game where they

630
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Speaker 1: couldn't settle for the dumpoffs and they couldn't just run

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Speaker 1: bear Bachmeyer because he was hurt and LJ. Martin wasn't

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Speaker 1: doing enough on the ground to, you know, give them

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Speaker 1: a steady diet of the ground attack. When they actually

634
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Speaker 1: had to try and stretch this field, it just wasn't there.

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Speaker 1: And that was when this one started to come apart.

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Speaker 1: I'm still not sure I'm enamored with the Texas Tech offense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's good. I don't think it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: No. Like I feel like if you are a team

639
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Speaker 1: like let's say Oregon, who in all likelihood will come

640
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Speaker 1: away from this being the number five seed, if you

641
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Speaker 1: win your opening round game against well we'll talk about

642
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Speaker 1: that in a second, but if you win that game

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Speaker 1: in Eugene, next team up would be Texas Tech on

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Speaker 1: a neutral site. I would really like that matchup if

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Speaker 1: I were an Oregon fan.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think the game might be in Jerry

647
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Speaker 2: World again.

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Speaker 1: I know, I would really like that matchup for Oregon

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Speaker 1: given what I saw from the Texas Tech offense, which

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Speaker 1: by the way, like Barr Morton's solid, Bar Morton's a

651
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Speaker 1: veteran presence about Aaron Morton was fine. Their ground game

652
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Speaker 1: is sneaky good. People don't realize how good their backs are, right,

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Speaker 1: they're good. They're really good rushing the football. I am

654
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Speaker 1: not fully enamored with this offense, but the defense, the

655
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: defense is very solid.

656
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how much time we want to

657
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:19,120
Speaker 2: spend on a Texas Tech Oregon preview, but it should

658
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 2: be a hell of a game if it comes to fruition.

659
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: I hope we get a bunch of great games come

660
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:25,960
Speaker 2: like the New Year's and New Year's Eve time. The

661
00:33:26,040 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: other thing, by the way with Byu is they went

662
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: eleven and one before this game. Hey, they're going to

663
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 2: finish eleven and two. If this were a straight twelve

664
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Speaker 2: team ranked playoff regardless of conference.

665
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Speaker 1: They're probably in.

666
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:41,440
Speaker 2: I think you're probably including.

667
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,600
Speaker 1: They're probably in. And say what you want about whether

668
00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: Kialani Sataki may or may not have been a fit

669
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: at Penn State. Yeah, right, but this dude put together

670
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: an eleven and two season with the true freshman quarterback

671
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: who they didn't think was going to be the quarterback.

672
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 1: It was a scrambled to figure out who was going

673
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: to lead the offense. There is no question in my

674
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 1: mind that this dude deserved every freaking penny of that

675
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: raise that he got.

676
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

677
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: He is a hell of football coach. And if there's

678
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,239
Speaker 1: going to be a new influx of cash for him,

679
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: for nil, for the assistant pool, all of that stuff.

680
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: If you are a BYU fan, I do not think

681
00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:24,879
Speaker 1: you are getting in the playoff, but I do think

682
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 1: this could just be the tip of the iceberg because

683
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: you got a really a really good coach. I think

684
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: you got a really good quarterback. And if in fact

685
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 1: they're going to pour a ton of resources into this program,

686
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,440
Speaker 1: now the future is very, very bright. So I'm excited

687
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: about that. For BYU fans, I'm excited to see what

688
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: kind of matchup Texas Tech draws. And though I wish

689
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:48,880
Speaker 1: this game would have been a little bit closer, I

690
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: came away mighty impressed with the Texas Tech defense. They

691
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: were really really solid in this game, and if they

692
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: keep playing like that, it doesn't matter what the matchup is,

693
00:34:57,960 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: they're going to be a damn hard out in the playoff.

694
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:02,480
Speaker 2: Yep. I think they finished number one in points per

695
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 2: drive aloud this season against FBS teams in non garbage

696
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 2: time drives just a suffocating defense.

697
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: Texas Tech wins the Big twelve, which means our final

698
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: power for conference champion.

699
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: Dan nearly beat Yukon. They nearly beat him.

700
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 1: Your champ is eight and five. The Duke Blue Devils

701
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 1: game went overtime. Game went overtime. We were on our

702
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 1: stream talking through thirteen to ten Indiana knocking off Ohio State,

703
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: and we both had on a second screen this Duke

704
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:48,320
Speaker 1: Virginia game. Virginia, to their credit, made a feverish comeback,

705
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 1: furious comeback to get this one at twenty all a

706
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 1: beautiful throw from Chandler Morris down the left sideline to

707
00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 1: give them the you know, the tying touchdown after the

708
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: X your point. I mean they fought like hell to

709
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: get to the point where they could play this one

710
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 1: in overtime.

711
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:07,320
Speaker 2: Did the right thing and kicked the field goal quickly

712
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 2: with like three and change minutes left to get it

713
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 2: to seven. Yeah.

714
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 1: I mean they did everything they could. They got just

715
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: too late of a jump. I was really impressed with

716
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 1: Duke in this game. We could talk about what it

717
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: means for Duke and what the postseason looks like for Duke,

718
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,280
Speaker 1: and I think that's a separate conversation. But this team,

719
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 1: which has been laughed at for its lack of defense

720
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 1: for most of the season, really held Virginia down. They

721
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: really held Virginia.

722
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: Down until like the last five minutes.

723
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: Until the last five minutes. Yeah, yeah, they held Virginia

724
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: down and they look damn good doing it. So I

725
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: was impressed with that side of the Duke Blue Devils.

726
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: This is not to say this is like a brick

727
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: wall of the defense. It wasn't even that much of

728
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 1: a shutdown effort. But their ability to come up big

729
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:01,800
Speaker 1: when they had to, their ability to win the turnover battle,

730
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:05,319
Speaker 1: their ability to kind of use that to win the

731
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 1: time of possession battle, all of those things I think

732
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 1: worked together to put Duke in a position to win

733
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 1: this game. And this was about as good as I

734
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: have seen them all year. I came away mighty impressed

735
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 1: by just Manny Diaz getting his team ready to play

736
00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 1: in a manner that he did. It was always going

737
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 1: to be a bit of an uphill climb to get

738
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: to this point, and it required tie breakers and a

739
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 1: bunch of good luck. But the Duke blue devils of

740
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: all teams end up emerging as your ACC champion.

741
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 2: Crazy, Yeah, a weird one, but yeah you mentioned the

742
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,440
Speaker 2: Duke defense. Virginia wasn't even like that bad on third downs.

743
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 2: It was you know, untimely turnovers and penalties, and I

744
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 2: just it was a pretty good back and forth. Duke

745
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 2: made more plays early on. Darien Mensa was good, Nate

746
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: Sheppard was largely very good. Cooper Barcade what a good

747
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: year all year long, was good again, and it was

748
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 2: coming up in overtime with a play call that, like, look,

749
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 2: every play call is not going to be perfect with

750
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 2: the like the trick play, it's the decision to throw

751
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 2: into double coverage in that specific moment that I'm sure

752
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 2: Chandler Morris would like back like, there's nothing wrong with

753
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 2: going for something weird and perhaps unexpected in overtime. It

754
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:22,799
Speaker 2: was a tough way to end it for Virginia and

755
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: good for for Duke for sort of sticking with the

756
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: assignments and making a play when it counted most.

757
00:38:30,040 --> 00:38:35,040
Speaker 1: This presents eight and five Duke ACC Champion. This is

758
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 1: something of a nightmare scenario for the playoff, especially if

759
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:46,840
Speaker 1: you are a Power Conference commissioner. Duke is probably not

760
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,359
Speaker 1: going to get in the playoff with eight and five.

761
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: No, they're not. They're not at all. It's not probably.

762
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be in the play They're not gonna

763
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: be in the playoff.

764
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: And that's okay. They won in a different way with

765
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:56,919
Speaker 2: a different postseason coming.

766
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 1: Look, they'll take it and they're gonna go to a bowl.

767
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: And this is this is od basically the cherry on

768
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: top of a season that had its ups and downs.

769
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 1: But in terms of the broader national conversation, for an

770
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: eight and five team to win the ACC that paves

771
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 1: the way for I think football hipsters around this great

772
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: land of ours to rejoice because it likely means we're

773
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:21,919
Speaker 1: going to get tu Lane and James Madison in two

774
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,840
Speaker 1: G five teams in the playoff field this year, unless

775
00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: they do something crazy to decide they want to rank

776
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,319
Speaker 1: Duke ahead of JMU, which I can't imagine they would

777
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 1: possibly do, but who knows what this committee that's true.

778
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 1: So I think that sets up your five and six

779
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:39,239
Speaker 1: seeds really well. If it does end up being let's

780
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 1: say Oregon at the five, ole Miss at the six,

781
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: you'd be looking at maybe Oregon hosting JMU maybe a

782
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,800
Speaker 1: rematch between Ole Miss and TWU Lane being played in Oxford.

783
00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:55,959
Speaker 1: This is something that honestly, we have been getting emails about.

784
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: We wrote about it in our newsletter, We've tweeted about it,

785
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,160
Speaker 1: sort of haphazardly talked about it on occasion. As we've

786
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,359
Speaker 1: talked through various playoff scenarios, this was always the one

787
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: thing that could have happened that it was almost just

788
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:11,760
Speaker 1: something we would giggle at, you know, like, oh, wouldn't

789
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: that be something if an eight and five team won

790
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: and suddenly have two G five teams in. I don't

791
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 1: know if makes the playoff any better. It definitely gets

792
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: some new teams exposure to the playoff. But in terms

793
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: of all the things that could go wrong, this was

794
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: the one that seemed so distant that it couldn't even

795
00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: be possible.

796
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: Buddy, we could have a top ten ACC team in

797
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:38,880
Speaker 2: the playoff and the ACC champion not even sniffing a

798
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: possibility of getting into the playoff.

799
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 1: It's great, Duke Boodevil's congratulations, you win. A tough pill

800
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: to swallow for sure. For Tony Elliott, for Chandler Morris,

801
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: the Virginia Cavaliers, they had a great season, I mean

802
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: a great season ten and three. They finished this thing up,

803
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 1: I mean, far exceeding expectations. I think a lot to

804
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 1: build on, at least in that sense, a really really

805
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: good year and something to be happy and proud about.

806
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:07,399
Speaker 1: But obviously you would have liked to have gotten this one.

807
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: It went to overtime, Duke scored, Virginia ends up throwing

808
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,760
Speaker 1: an interception that was the ballgame, twenty seven to twenty.

809
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,319
Speaker 2: Yes, and by the way, good good for Duke. By

810
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: the way, both of these teams Virginia spent in the portal.

811
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 2: Duke spent in the portal, obviously, most notably with Darien

812
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 2: Menza Cooper Barky. Like, these guys did really really well.

813
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 2: They came through many das in year two winning the ACC. Now, look,

814
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 2: the tiebreakers are the tiebreakers, and nobody's going to sit

815
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: here and claim that they would, you know, bet a

816
00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:37,840
Speaker 2: thousand dollars on Duke against the spread against Miami or

817
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: something or straight up. But you can only win the

818
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: games put in front of you, and Duke got this

819
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 2: game put in front of them and they won it. Awesome.

820
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:52,920
Speaker 1: So, with the Power Conferences out of the way and

821
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 1: given the results, now I think there's more than enough

822
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 1: reason to talk through some of these games the G

823
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 1: five level and what it means, because I think in all, Likelihod,

824
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: we're gonna get two of them in this playoff, which

825
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 1: again is crazy. But the one that everybody expected was

826
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 1: the winner of the American They played this game on

827
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: Friday night. It was Tulane thirty four North Texas twenty one.

828
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 1: North Texas had five turnovers, three interceptions, two fumbles. Two

829
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: of the interceptions were tipped. They also should have had

830
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: a pick six off of Jake retz Laugh in the

831
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:29,239
Speaker 1: second half, but it went directly through a defender's hands

832
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: and into a Tulane receiver's hands, which I gotta say

833
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,279
Speaker 1: could not have summed up this game more from the

834
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,800
Speaker 1: North Texas perspective, there was just a lot that went wrong.

835
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 1: I love Drew Mestemaker. I think he looks like he's

836
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 1: potentially an NFL quarterback and he's only a freshman. I

837
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:47,640
Speaker 1: don't think he got the help in this game. He

838
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:49,920
Speaker 1: didn't get help from his line. There were plenty of

839
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: instances where he didn't get help from his receivers. He

840
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 1: was a very very good player on a very very

841
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: good team, but he just did not get the support

842
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: when he needed it.

843
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 2: No, and it was I mean aptly named. It was

844
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 2: a wave of Tulane front seven dudes in every single lane, constantly,

845
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 2: in every single backfield moment, like they were just overwhelmed.

846
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 2: They were overwhelmed by Tulane. It was what twenty four

847
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 2: to seven about halfway through, like they were playing from

848
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 2: behind pretty much the whole time. I know they scored early,

849
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 2: but Tulane just too many ways to win. Looks like

850
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 2: a strong team. We'll see what that means for playoff

851
00:43:29,239 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 2: caliber obviously, like for what John Sumral did with the

852
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 2: not distraction but the reality that he's taking a new

853
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 2: job and coaching out this season. For Tulane, for them

854
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 2: to be as locked in as they were against North

855
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 2: Texas is super impressive. But I also remember the way

856
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: Tulane kind of faded last year late right that they

857
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:51,760
Speaker 2: closed especially impressively this season. So really nice win for Tulane.

858
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,359
Speaker 2: Really unbelievable season for North Texas as they themselves now

859
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:58,120
Speaker 2: have a coach who's moving on to another job, But

860
00:43:58,960 --> 00:43:59,959
Speaker 2: very cool season in the Amyria.

861
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, nice win by Tulane, especially given the distractions. My

862
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 1: guy John summerl runs a little hot in the sidelines.

863
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: He does if there are a couple moments in this

864
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:10,400
Speaker 1: game he looked like you wanted a body slam and official,

865
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: but kept it together long enough to get the win.

866
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 1: The offense is very dependent on Jake Rehetz left though.

867
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 1: I mean they're basically running the BYU offense with him. Yeah,

868
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: so it's kind of a little bit of everything. Whatever works,

869
00:44:24,320 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: they stick with. It is very Aaron Roderick. But I

870
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: think it's going to be interesting when we get into

871
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,840
Speaker 1: this playoff now because the skill talent around him is

872
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,160
Speaker 1: definitely not as good as what he had a year

873
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: ago at BYU. And if you're that dependent on one guy,

874
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:39,920
Speaker 1: if you're going up against a good defense, be it

875
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: an Oregon, be it you know, Texas, A and M

876
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: or Miss whoever, any of these teams in this field,

877
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,200
Speaker 1: really they're going to be good enough to key in

878
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: on that. I think they could take away most of

879
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,319
Speaker 1: what Tulane wants to do. They are obviously going to

880
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 1: be a G five rep at this point, if you

881
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: go off of last week's rankings, they would be traveling

882
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: to Eugene for a first round or against your Oregon Ducks.

883
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: I don't want to be the wet blanket. I'm just

884
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,760
Speaker 1: gonna say it's gonna be really tough matchup with whoever

885
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: they play. Maybe the winner gets to keep McKay Hughes.

886
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 1: I don't know what the deal's gonna be with that

887
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:18,439
Speaker 1: if it is Oregon Tulane, But either way, like if

888
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: that ends up being the matchup, it's going to be

889
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 1: a real tough one and we could talk through it

890
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: in due course. But kudos Tulane for getting the job done.

891
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: This is a nice one for them, especially given distractions.

892
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,600
Speaker 1: And the same is true for James Madison. Yes, so

893
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 1: James Madison also in a similar position with their coaches

894
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: leaving Bob Chesney going to UCLA. This is a much

895
00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: closer game than I expected. It was seventeen to fourteen

896
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: start of the fourth quarter. It was a defensive battle

897
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: through and through. Collectively, these teams were six of thirty

898
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,240
Speaker 1: two on third downs, so it was not a banner

899
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: offensive showing for either side. Again, it was a defense

900
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,920
Speaker 1: that stood out. This is very much a weekend of

901
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: defensive storylines. They had eight sacks fourteen tackles for if

902
00:46:00,920 --> 00:46:03,839
Speaker 1: you include the sackyardedge. Troy finished with negative twenty six

903
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 1: rushing yards. If you don't they only had twenty, so Jam,

904
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:10,760
Speaker 1: you really stepped up and to that point, they wanted

905
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,839
Speaker 1: on the ground. Bob Chesney likes to run. He likes

906
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,200
Speaker 1: to play a physical brand of football. They only had

907
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: ninety three passing yards, but they had three hundred and

908
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: eighteen on the ground, including two hundred and twenty of

909
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 1: which came from our good friend Wayne Night. Hello the course,

910
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:30,040
Speaker 1: just like the other Wayne Knight, Dan, he is short,

911
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:34,000
Speaker 1: he is stout, he is annoying as hell, and if

912
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: you're a James Madison fan, you love having him on

913
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 1: your team because it's sort of a bowling ball with eyes.

914
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: He had a really good game seventy three yard touchdown

915
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,120
Speaker 1: run in this one early on Alonza Barnett, like I said,

916
00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 1: not great through the air, but did enough on the ground,

917
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,480
Speaker 1: especially in the second half here to get the win

918
00:46:49,520 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: over Troy. Your final was thirty one to fourteen. Dan,

919
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: I guess we're going to see what the committee does

920
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: on Sunday. But if you believe the rankings, unless there

921
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: is some sort of magic trick that goes on at

922
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 1: the eleventh hour, I gotta imagine that JMU is in

923
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:06,839
Speaker 1: as well.

924
00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, there's a lot of people who are

925
00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: rightfully saying that, like this is not necessarily the intent

926
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 2: of finding a national champion and not having the twelve

927
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 2: like clear best teams or twelve of the like fourteen

928
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: best teams. And we have an argument over you know,

929
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 2: twelve thirteen, fourteen, fifteen or whatever, and talk about Vanderbilt

930
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 2: in Texas, and that's the conversation we should be having,

931
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 2: and that's all fine. There's a lot of tournaments with

932
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 2: teams that don't have the best records, that don't have

933
00:47:33,080 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 2: the best schedules, Like we watch the NCAA tournament every year,

934
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: and then there's a team who goes you know, I'm

935
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: trying to do my math here, but like fourteen and eighteen,

936
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 2: but wins the CAAA or something and ends up in

937
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 2: the tournament and they do a lot better than the

938
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: team who won the regular season portion and basketball is

939
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 2: not football, but it's a tournament and there are rules

940
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 2: to the tournament. And then there's just weird years to tournaments.

941
00:47:56,320 --> 00:47:58,759
Speaker 2: This is a weird year and teams like Texas and

942
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: Vanderbilt and by teams who've had playoff caliber seasons at

943
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 2: times are left out and we have JMU, we have Tulane,

944
00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 2: we have Duke winning the ACC. We're probably going to

945
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 2: overreact as a sport and it's probably gonna lead to

946
00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: something new. But I think we just kind of have

947
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: to live with it, even if those first round games

948
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 2: are going to get Like who I forget? Who was?

949
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:24,399
Speaker 2: Last year? Was a Sean McDonough sort of opining during

950
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: a broadcast about Indiana losing to Notre Dame the way

951
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,839
Speaker 2: that they did. That didn't age super well. Now, by

952
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:32,799
Speaker 2: the way, when Indiana now beating Ohiles Stay a few

953
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: months later to win the Big Ten. But I don't know,

954
00:48:36,880 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 2: it's sports. That's what happens. All of these teams had

955
00:48:39,880 --> 00:48:43,640
Speaker 2: control over their results, and sometimes you just get a

956
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: weird field, and that's that's where we are.

957
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: I also don't think JM you look the part of

958
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 1: a like I'm glad they're in. I think they belong in.

959
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,800
Speaker 1: Given the letter is not their fault. It isn't their fault.

960
00:48:54,840 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: All you can do is win the games. Yeah that, yes,

961
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 1: they left I think a bit to be to Their

962
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: defense is solid. Their defense is good.

963
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 2: Oh buddy, they flatten Troy.

964
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: I stand by what I said a couple of weeks

965
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:09,760
Speaker 1: ago that at least on the defensive side, I'm interested

966
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: to see what they can do against some better competition.

967
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: But yeah, by virtue of circumstances, there's a pretty good

968
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 1: chance we're going to be talking about JMU in there

969
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:21,480
Speaker 1: as likely a twelve seed squaring off against Oregon or

970
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: whoever ends up being the five.

971
00:49:23,520 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

972
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: Elsewhere around college football. Three other games, we have Boise

973
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,080
Speaker 1: State winning the Mountain West for the third straight year.

974
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: It was never close. They won thirty eight to twenty one.

975
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: They jumped out to a twenty one ZIP lead in

976
00:49:37,560 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: the first half. UNLV was playing from behind the entire game.

977
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 1: They did get it close, they did pull to within

978
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: twenty eight twenty one in the third quarter, but the

979
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: Boise defense really locked them down in the fourth quarter.

980
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: Yes, there was a ton of blue by the way

981
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,360
Speaker 2: for the Boise passing game with Maddox Mattson. Yes, looking

982
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:57,919
Speaker 2: into the UNLV secondary, he would just kind of see

983
00:49:57,960 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 2: a safety peaking or kind of see a safety leaning

984
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 2: one way, and he would just throw it. I was

985
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 2: gonna say to Grass, it's not grass, but he would

986
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 2: throw it to wide open blue turf where he knew

987
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 2: a receiver would be and thus was and there was

988
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 2: just chunk play after chunk play for Boise UNLV is

989
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 2: a defense that didn't give them any problem earlier in

990
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 2: the season, and they played like they knew they wouldn't

991
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 2: on Friday night and didn't.

992
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: Western Michigan won the mac Yes twenty three to thirteen.

993
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:31,800
Speaker 1: They had two hundred and eighty six yards on the ground.

994
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Buckley was a dude. He had won ninety three

995
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: and two scores and nineteen carries. Miami struggled to move

996
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,439
Speaker 1: the ball. They had two different quarterbacks in this game.

997
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,719
Speaker 1: Their biggest issue was they just couldn't run. They only

998
00:50:44,719 --> 00:50:48,280
Speaker 1: had seventy three yards on thirty one carries. So Western

999
00:50:48,360 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: Michigan ends up winning this one in a game that

1000
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: I think final was twenty three to thirteen. It really

1001
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: wasn't that close. It did not feel close at all

1002
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: because this was a dominant effort from Western Michigan. So

1003
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 1: grats to the Broncos and last, but certainly not least,

1004
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 1: let's give a shout out to Kenneth saw State Baby

1005
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: oh Man so cool second year in FBS college football.

1006
00:51:11,800 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: They win nineteen fifteen, A good game from Amari Cooper

1007
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 1: passed for two forty six and a touchdown. I am

1008
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 1: really excited. I'm Mario odem Mario odams A. Mariy Cooper

1009
00:51:25,200 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 1: would be a cool story. It's late if he came

1010
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: back and played quarterbacks. That mistake number three for me.

1011
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: I get three on a late night show.

1012
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you're good.

1013
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,839
Speaker 1: I am really excited about this jump for Kennesaw State.

1014
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 1: This is season two after joining FBS. I am thrilled

1015
00:51:40,080 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 1: with what Jerry Mack did this year for the Owls.

1016
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 1: We talked about it in the preseason a little bit.

1017
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 1: There was a lot of controversy about moving on from

1018
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 1: their previous coach going to Jerry Mack. There was a

1019
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,400
Speaker 1: lot to like about Jerry Mack. There were reasons, I

1020
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 1: think to be excited about what he could do. The

1021
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 1: fact that they win Conference USA in twenty twenty five

1022
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 1: is nuts. Yes, even your rosiest of projections for Kanisau

1023
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:06,040
Speaker 1: State would not have them winning this conference. And I

1024
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 1: don't care if there were other teams across this conference

1025
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 1: that were decimated, either with coaches leaving or players leaving

1026
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,160
Speaker 1: or whatever. But the fact that they got it together

1027
00:52:14,200 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: as quickly as they didn't. One is awesome, awesome for them,

1028
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,320
Speaker 1: So congratulations if you're a Kannesau State owl.

1029
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:25,000
Speaker 2: By the way, they acquitted themselves, Kanasa State acquitted themselves

1030
00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: against Wake Forest in the exact same manner. They lost

1031
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 2: by one, So didi or Georgia Tech beat Wake by one.

1032
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: Virginia Tech lost by seven to Wake, Kennesaw lost by one,

1033
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,840
Speaker 2: Oregon State lost by twenty five, Kennisau lost by one.

1034
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: SMU lost by one to Wake, Kennesaw lost by one. Like,

1035
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just sometimes you just got to

1036
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:49,359
Speaker 2: be like, that's a cool thing that Kennesaw accomplished this year,

1037
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 2: turning it around and winning the conference. In year two

1038
00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:53,839
Speaker 2: as an FBS team, we saw like the good new

1039
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 2: FBS teams, And I know Conference USA is a little

1040
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 2: bit different than it was a few years ago. But

1041
00:52:58,120 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 2: like Missouri State and Delaware, like all good stories.

1042
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: Those are the nine games that took place on Championship Week. Again,

1043
00:53:08,760 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: Dan and I are going to be back on Sunday

1044
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: at five pm Eastern time. We're gonna do a live stream,

1045
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 1: We're gonna record it. We'll post the audio for our

1046
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: podcast listeners and we're going to talk through what this

1047
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: playoff field looks like, but not to put you too

1048
00:53:22,480 --> 00:53:25,840
Speaker 1: much on the spot, just as like a natural transition

1049
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,399
Speaker 1: to what we know we're going to have to talk

1050
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:33,320
Speaker 1: about tomorrow. How would you see these teams in the playoff?

1051
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: I think let's assume that JMU is the twelve and

1052
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,680
Speaker 1: too late As is the eleven. Rank the ten.

1053
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 2: I would start number ten. I would go I guess

1054
00:53:48,400 --> 00:53:57,880
Speaker 2: Notre Dame. I'd go nine, Miami, I'd go eight. I

1055
00:53:58,040 --> 00:53:59,239
Speaker 2: just I need to pull the teams up.

1056
00:53:59,280 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Tie.

1057
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 2: Who am I missing right now? I guess eight Oklahoma.

1058
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:02,800
Speaker 1: It would be Oklahoma.

1059
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be Oklahoma. Seven would be a and

1060
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,800
Speaker 2: M Six would be all Miss, five would be Oregon.

1061
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 2: Four would be Texas Tech. Three would be I think

1062
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 2: they're going to bump Ohio State down. But I would

1063
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,240
Speaker 2: put three Georgia to Ohio State one Indiana.

1064
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think maybe with the exception of

1065
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 1: a few differences.

1066
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's weird to rank Miami behind

1067
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:28,440
Speaker 2: Notre Dame for the past whatever four or five weeks

1068
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: and then like spring them up.

1069
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: Because they got closer. I think that's what they're going

1070
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 1: to do. I really think that's what they're gonna do.

1071
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: And there's also no guarantee that they're going to bump

1072
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 1: Alabama out completely. I mean, this committee has proven time

1073
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,640
Speaker 1: and again that they don't always operate on the same

1074
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: logical plane as the rest of us. So I don't

1075
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:48,000
Speaker 1: envy the position they're in. I think it's sort of

1076
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,480
Speaker 1: an impossible choice every year when they have to do it.

1077
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: But I think if it were up to me, I

1078
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:58,239
Speaker 1: would probably go in the similar direction. The question that

1079
00:54:58,280 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: I know we'll get from some in the verball or

1080
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: hood is well, what about BYU and what about Texas

1081
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:06,279
Speaker 1: or what about Vandy? What do we have to say

1082
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Speaker 1: about those three teams?

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Speaker 2: Dan, Vandy's a tough one because you lose to Texas

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Speaker 2: and Alabama. And if you're gonna say, if I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: say Alabama's not in, I don't know how you make

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Speaker 2: the case for Vandy in this moment, as impressive as

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Speaker 2: they were. Like I would, just from a peer entertainment standpoint,

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Speaker 2: would love to have Diego pave in my playoff. I

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Speaker 2: just think there's just too much of a roadblock right now,

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Speaker 2: not logistically but logically in terms of Texas. I've talked

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Speaker 2: about this before. My thoughts Texas can look like a

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Speaker 2: playoff caliber team. They didn't do it often enough for me,

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Speaker 2: both in their wins and their losses. I know you

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Speaker 2: know we're not gonna I'm not going to try to

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Speaker 2: retread what we've spoken about before. They had a chance

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Speaker 2: to have a huge win against Ohio State, didn't do it,

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Speaker 2: And now because there are consequences to losing a game,

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Speaker 2: they're like, well, we don't want to face consequences anymore.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to schedule big games like okay, okay, Texas,

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Speaker 2: good luck. So I just don't have Texas there. They

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Speaker 2: just didn't look of a high caliber team, look like

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Speaker 2: a high caliber team often enough, So I don't have

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Speaker 2: them there with their three losses. Who else did you

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Speaker 2: mention BYU? You talked about BYU already. I just think

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Speaker 2: it was a bad year to have the record that

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Speaker 2: they did, and when you look more closely at their games,

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Speaker 2: specifically against Texas Tech, losing by a combined fifty is

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Speaker 2: not a huge selling point when you're talking about very

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Speaker 2: small margins between these teams. So that's why I don't

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Speaker 2: have BYU there. That they had an opportunity to say, yes,

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Speaker 2: I know we lost by twenty two or whatever to

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Speaker 2: Texas Tech a few weeks ago, but we've grown, we've changed,

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Speaker 2: you know, we've evolved since then, and let us prove it.

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Speaker 2: And unfortunately for BYU, bear Backmeier and his health got

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00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 2: in the way of being able to prove it. But

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00:56:55,040 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 2: even still they couldn't do it. Like Texas was the

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00:57:00,480 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 2: clear better team once again, injuries happened, adjustments need to happen.

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Speaker 2: Depth needs to be there and just wasn't for BYU.

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Speaker 2: Takes nothing away from what was a really, really strong season,

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Speaker 2: but I don't have them there.

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Speaker 1: I think in the case of BYU, in the case

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Speaker 1: of Texas, in the case of Alabama, yeah, you get

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Speaker 1: blown out against top ten team in BYU's case more

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Speaker 1: than once, and then you got to take an extra

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Speaker 1: hard look at that team's resume. And this is also

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Speaker 1: true now of Alabama, even though it was in a

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Speaker 1: conference championship game. You lose that badly. You know, not

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Speaker 1: every loss is the same, and the committee has acknowledged

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Speaker 1: as much. I think they have given Notre Dame a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit for its close losses again to really

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Speaker 1: good losses by comparison, by a combined four points. They

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Speaker 1: have given them credit for that.

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Speaker 2: If you were going to give strength of record in

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Speaker 2: Notre Dame, where the wins weren't super imp of opponent wise,

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Speaker 2: but they didn't win any boy single digits, they blew

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Speaker 2: everybody out basically, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So if if you're gonna look at a loss, as

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Speaker 1: apparently the committee is doing and saying, well, a close

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00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 1: loss is pretty good, and we will give you some

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Speaker 1: credit half credit for that, I think if you're going

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Speaker 1: to apply that logic to a close loss, you also

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Speaker 1: have to look at a blowout loss against some of

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Speaker 1: these teams and use that as a measuring stick to

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Speaker 1: determine is this team up the stuff when it comes

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Speaker 1: to making that playoff field, And I think there's probably

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00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: a case to be made that it disqualifies some of

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Speaker 1: those teams that find themselves in that situation. Vandy's a

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Speaker 1: tough one, you know, Vandy's very much a tough one.

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Speaker 1: And I will admit, just from an entertainment standpoint, having

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Speaker 1: Diego pave in the playoff will be damn fun. I

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00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: think they're going to be in the outside looking in.

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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, this is still

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00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 1: a really really solid team that has a lot to

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00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: be excited about now that they're flipping top quarterback recruits.

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00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: They got Clark Lee signed to a longer term extension.

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Speaker 1: He's not going where. I mean, the future is very,

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00:59:01,880 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 1: very bright for this program. I just think it's you know,

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00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:06,760
Speaker 1: not playing a game this week, and I know they

1159
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,840
Speaker 1: maybe tried to play something of an exhibition game this week.

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00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 1: Not having that extra game probably hurt them, you know,

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Speaker 1: about as much as anybody.

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Speaker 2: It is a weird thing, right that. I know that,

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Speaker 2: Right it's hard to like look at the committee and say,

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00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 2: like this is who they are, and this is what

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Speaker 2: they believe, and this is how they're going to you know,

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00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:27,120
Speaker 2: this is what history tells us what they're going to

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Speaker 2: react to and not react to. Like Miami was twelve.

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Speaker 2: How many days ago? Four days ago? Yeah, Miami was twelve.

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Speaker 2: They found Miami's ten and two seasons be less impressive,

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Speaker 2: given Miami's wins and losses, the manner in which they

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Speaker 2: did so, who they played. They found it to be

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Speaker 2: less impressive than BYU at eleven and one, BYU had

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Speaker 2: to play in a game against a more difficult team

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Speaker 2: than arguably Miami has faced all season long and lost.

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Speaker 2: Miami didn't have to play having go on ten and

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Speaker 2: two in a weaker conference. In my opinion, the ACC

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Speaker 2: is weaker than the Big Twelve this season. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if the numbers bear that out. You might have

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01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:07,640
Speaker 2: a better idea than I do. I don't think the

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01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:10,520
Speaker 2: ACC was all that strong in the upper half this year,

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Speaker 2: with how a couple of different teams collapsed, right, and

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Speaker 2: Miami's gonna jump BYU right based on what exactly?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: Those are the things to me, like I'm trying to

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01:00:22,320 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 2: understand an ununderstandable phenomenon. That's not a word I understand,

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01:00:27,080 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 2: but like that's one of those things where you're just

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01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,280
Speaker 2: like you put somebody up from the committee on a

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Speaker 2: stage with a microphone. You're like, what did Miami do

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01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:37,800
Speaker 2: this week in a way that impressed you enough to

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Speaker 2: have them jump BYU who actually had to play in

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Speaker 2: a conference championship. That's it's just one of those weird things.

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01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:44,800
Speaker 2: And there's you know, the logic can be applied to Alabama.

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Speaker 2: I understand that as well. It's just they paint themselves

1194
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Speaker 2: into a corner and then are gonna have to get

1195
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:51,919
Speaker 2: on TV and be like so here's what we think now,

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Speaker 2: and nobody's gonna be happy.

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Speaker 1: Why don't we leave it there. Congratulations to all nine

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Speaker 1: of the conference champions. We've got a big day upcoming

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Speaker 1: tomorrow where we're going to figure out what the rest

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Speaker 1: of the postseason looks like. Again, I would encourage everybody,

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Speaker 1: Eastern time. The rankings come out much earlier than that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to give ourselves a chance to take it

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Speaker 1: all in, let it marinate a little bit, put some

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Speaker 1: We'll be as interactive as we can with it, because

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Speaker 1: I know this is a very big thing in the

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Speaker 1: college football world and something that everybody looks forward to.

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Speaker 1: So much much more to come here. We still do,

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Speaker 1: at some point need to talk about some of the

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Speaker 1: other coaching news that transpired, but we'll save that for

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Speaker 1: the upcoming week. Because college football is never short on news,

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Speaker 2: You did neglect possibly the most important long term thing

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Speaker 2: that transpired today, and that is the Pin Stripe Bowl

1227
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Speaker 2: is going to feature your national championship. We get Penn

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Speaker 2: State Clemson, Ty Hildebrandt, I said, I didn't say where

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Speaker 2: they'd be playing, but we get them. I almost feel

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Speaker 2: like you have to sing the national anthem before that matchup,

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Speaker 2: and it's in your favorite baseball team stadium. God Yankee

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Speaker 2: fan tie gets Penn State Clemson arguably the two most

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Speaker 2: disappointing teams of the season facing off in a baseball stadium.

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Speaker 2: I assume in like three hours from the time we're

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Speaker 2: recording this, and you called it with an asterisk.

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Speaker 1: With an asterisk, great, We will talk to you guys

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Speaker 1: before long. Thank you again for your ongoing support. All

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Speaker 1: that's left now is the field of twelve. We will

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01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: go through that as soon as we can. For that guy,

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubensteph, for myself Tye Hildebrand. As always, thanks for

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Speaker 1: hanging with us, for supporting what we do. We catch

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Speaker 1: you on the flip side, say so.

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Speaker 2: Peace,